In short
Janet Lansbury (Unruffled) responds to a single mom about daily “battles” during transitions—getting dressed, brushing hair, bathing, and teeth brushing—especially since age three. She argues that connection and conflict can coexist: parents should stop relying on timers, countdowns, games, reward charts, and punishments, and instead stay confident while allowing the child to feel overwhelmed, with the parent still leading the task.
Guest backgrounds
No guests. The episode centers on Janet Lansbury and a listener’s detailed case: a single mom nurse with a 5-year-old “sweet, affectionate, social butterfly” starting first grade; father is minimally involved; co-parenting adds inconsistency.
Key claims
“Connection” means the child’s feelings are welcome while the parent maintains a firm boundary (teamwork, not forcing). Punishments undermine connection; “outside fixes” avoid deeper emotions. Respectful leadership teaches kids they can handle hard, non-negotiable moments.
Notable examples
An hour-long struggle over dressing/teeth; replacing “get dressed race” and reward charts with acknowledging feelings and saying, “We have to go; I’m on your team.”
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOParent's Struggle with Daily Tasks
0:00 to 1:21
Discussion about a parent's challenges with her child's resistance to daily routines.
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Parent's Struggle with Daily Tasks
2:16 to 4:49
Discussion about a parent's challenges with her child's resistance to daily routines.
“with these struggles that they have, you know, on an almost daily basis, it seems, with transitions.”
Exploring Connection and Respect in Parenting
4:50 to 7:13
Insights on balancing connection with boundaries in parenting.
“versus when a parent needs to hold a firmer boundary?”
Understanding Children's Feelings During Transitions
7:14 to 12:39
Janet discusses how to approach children's overwhelming feelings during transitions.
“That was very encouraging that my podcast helps her that way.”
Navigating Parenting Challenges with Honesty
12:40 to 14:00
The importance of authentic parenting and handling conflict without performance.
“And what I want to say here every single time is that we never need to perform as parents.”
Navigating Parenting Conflicts with Connection
14:00 to 21:25
Learn how to stay connected with children during conflicts and transitions.
“I mean, how many of us come to parenting with the sense that we don't have the experience to stay in connection when there's conflict?”
Navigating Parenting Conflicts with Connection
21:29 to 22:36
Learn how to stay connected with children during conflicts and transitions.
“quietly draining my budget, ordering in too often, cable channels I never watch, magazine subscriptions that pile up on the coffee table, the stuff that doesn't feel like much until it really is.”
Building Confidence Through Transitions
22:41 to 28:01
Explore how to support children during difficult transitions while maintaining boundaries.
“You'll find you have more strength with what I call confident momentum.”
Navigating Emotional Battles in Parenting
28:01 to 30:38
Learn how to empathize with your child's feelings during transitions.
“But at the same time, we're saying you really don't want to do this.”
Transcript
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1:38Hi, this is Janet Lansbury. Welcome to Unruffled. Today I'm going to be responding to a parent I had an exchange with, I think it was in Facebook messages. is she's struggling with her child's resistance to transitions in general and tasks that are often part of transitions like getting dressed, combing hair, taking a bath, brushing teeth. And it's really getting this parent down because she wants to connect positively with her child and her child to feel that trust between them. And she's worried that she's undermining that with these struggles that they have, you know, on an almost daily basis, it seems, with transitions.
2:26So I have a lot of thoughts for this parent that I really hope will help her and anyone listening clarifying some really, really important things about connection, about what that really means, about what respecting our child really means and how conflict and connection can actually happen together. And that's a relief, right? We don't have to choose one over the other. We can face conflicts with our child in a very connected, honest way. So here's this parent's note. I've been listening to your podcast for years and it's given me so much relief and confidence as a mother, I'm a single mom to a sweet, affectionate, social butterfly, beautifully bossy five-year-old who will start first grade this fall.
3:15Her father is minimally involved, my mom is my main support, and as a nurse, I work a lot more than I would like. While I always imagined a slower, more peaceful family life, our reality is often busy and demanding. She has to navigate many transitions that are often inconsistent, especially in terms of the co-parenting situation. I often do not know when or how that will go. Even so, I want us to move through these years feeling connected and secure if possible. The struggle I keep running into is around daily tasks. Since about age three, my daughter has strongly resisted getting dressed, brushing her hair, bathing, and brushing her teeth.
3:58I've tried Timers, Countdown, a game we play called get dressed race to make it fun, silly getting dressed games, reward charts, and punishments. I often say, I see you don't want to get dressed right now, let me help you. What starts as a simple transition can turn into an hour-long battle, with both of us ending up overwhelmed and the task often still unfinished. Over the years, I've tried to approach this through an unruffled lens. Less pressure, more connection, acceptance, and leadership. But lately I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Her resistance doesn't seem to be improving with age, and sometimes it almost feels like she's compelled to fight these transitions even when she wants to move on with her day.
4:45How do we know when a child needs more support moving through discomfort versus when a parent needs to hold a firmer boundary? Is it possible to be so focused on staying connected and respectful, that we inadvertently get stuck in a pattern that isn't helping our child grow? I would love any insight you might have. I adore my daughter and truly want to help her develop the skills she needs to navigate life while preserving our relationship. Thank you for everything you do. And then I wrote back, hi, I'm thinking I could maybe address your concern on my podcast. I have a question though. Can you describe your thoughts around this idea of connection.
5:28What does that mean to you? What does it look like? What does all of this mean to you? Less pressure, more connection, acceptance, and leadership. And here's what she wrote back. Thank you for getting back to me, Janet. When I think about being connected and unruffled, less pressure, connection, acceptance, and leadership means feeling confident in my role while being on the same team as my daughter. I want to communicate in a way that respects her, shows that her voice matters, and teaches her that she deserves respect so we can move through life with confidence. At the same time, life still requires us to do things that are hard, uncomfortable, or simply non-negotiable.
6:13And I sometimes struggle to know where that balance is. I often notice that my own negative self-talk echoes the messages I absorbed growing up. As a millennial, a lot of parenting was rooted in stuffing uncomfortable emotions and correcting behavior. While there was plenty of love, struggles were often approached through a behavior-focused lens. I want to give my daughter a different inner voice that is encouraging and compassionate, even when things are hard. Yet these moments around transition seem to bring up exactly the patterns I don't want to repeat, because we both genuinely get stuck.
6:51I think part of what makes this so hard is that I'm not just parenting my daughter, I'm also trying to rethink a lot of what I've learned about parenting. Sometimes I find myself second-guessing both myself and these principles at times. But truly, when I take a moment and recenter with your podcast, it's like I find my voice as a mother again, and honestly, almost immediately things aren't as hard. Thank you. So thank you to this parent. That was very encouraging that my podcast helps her that way. But what I appreciate so much more about this note, especially this last response, is the care and thoughtfulness and insight that this parent has.
7:34It's pretty extraordinary. I wrote back to her, this is beautiful what you've written here. You were a wonderful mom. I think, hope, I can clear up some things for you to help guide your way. You already have everything else you need. And that's what I felt reading this note. I felt, wow, this parent already understands so much about what's going on here. And that's more than half the battle. And then there are a couple of things that she talks about that I feel like I can help give her more clarity on. And by doing so, give her all the confidence that she needs to handle these situations. First, I want to backtrack to the path that she's taken so far in responding to these behaviors.
8:24At the same time, I want to help her and everyone understand how much sense it makes that this child is struggling in transitions. I mean, it makes sense for all children because they're in such an internal transition of growth in these early years. Then when there's a transition like the parents' separation, children often comment when they're old enough to that when their parents are divorced or separated, that that's the most difficult part for them. The going back and forth, having kind of two different homes, two different lives, having parents that are in two different places. And this doesn't mean we should feel bad if we're in that situation, only that it will help us to come into parenting with more confidence when we know that this is very typical behavior that this child is showing.
9:16And the fact that she's going into first grade and she's this social butterfly and sounds extremely confident. She's beautifully bossy. I mean, I personally love that kind of child. Sweet, affectionate. and going into first grade, you know, that's a big transition right there. But it seems like this little girl's handling all of that for outside life beautifully. And that is a testament to this parent and the way that she's handled things and the genuine connection and love and trust that these two have together. So she's already done all the hard things. And here's what I think is holding her back and keeping both of them stuck, as this parent says, in these uncomfortable transitions.
10:03The first is that rather than handling these situations with connection and confidence, she's doing what a lot of us want to do. And that's resorting to these strategies that actually get in the way of us connecting honestly person to person. And that's the timers, the countdowns, the games we play, the reward charts, the punishments, especially all of those things are kind of outside fixes rather than getting the practice that we need and that our child needs from us really, that we're being real right now together. This is what's in front of us. We have to do this. You don't want to do it. Not at all.
10:53This is a big old drag. You don't like this. Whatever you're saying, again, these words don't matter. But really, really allowing those feelings to be. Because what your daughter's sharing here, what children share in these moments, is not that brushing their teeth is the most painful, horrible thing, that getting dressed is this giant, awful thing, It feels overwhelming right then because they're filled with the deeper feelings of having to face these transitions. So these are just the little outside things. They're not what's really going on, which is that this girl is saying, like, I need to be a mess with transitions.
11:38This is where it's coming out. And can you gather me through these overwhelmed feelings? Can you stay confident in the face of my overwhelmed feelings? That's the hard part, right? So this isn't to say that those other strategies or tactics or whatever don't ever work in the moment, but I don't think punishments work at all because it gives us the opposite of connection with our child. And I know this parent doesn't want to be doing that, I'm sure. Reward charts where we're kind of gaming our child and they feel that, they know that it's us trying to make it happen without really dealing with it and really connecting with them.
12:19And the games work best when they genuinely come from us feeling on top of this. If these are just things that we're trying because we just want to make this work, that's going to bring us down. That's going to make us feel more tired, more uncomfortable, especially when it doesn't work, less honest in the relationship and more like we're having to perform. And what I want to say here every single time is that we never need to perform as parents. It should never need to feel like a performance. It can always be us as our real selves relating to our child as their real honest selves. Even when it's hard, even when it's overwhelming, that's what works.
13:09And that's the through line through all of this that helps our child to not get stuck in these situations. And for us not to get us stuck, because there can't be a power struggle when we're not trying to pull the wool over them in some way, push them through. Instead, we're facing what's going on. We're welcoming what's going on. We're still going to help our child get from point A to point B. We're going to do it with the power and strength that we have when we're being our real selves, not resorting to the tricks or the little games or whatever. And they get to be as overwhelmed as they need to be.
13:51Because here's the interesting thing and why it's so wonderful, or at least for me is so helpful for this parent to share about her experience and this setup that's so common. I mean, how many of us come to parenting with the sense that we don't have the experience to stay in connection when there's conflict? We were only connected with when we put those feelings away and our behavior was pleasing. That's when we were able to connect with our parent, not at any other time. But it's at these other times when connection can be so powerful and help us through with our relationship, not only intact after every one of these conflicts, but even stronger.
14:40So this parent says, I often notice that my own negative self-talk echoes the messages I absorbed growing up. As a millennial, a lot of parenting was rooted in stuffing uncomfortable emotions and correcting behavior. While there was plenty of love, struggles were often approached through a behavior-focused lens. Right. So without meaning to, and in a much kinder, gentler way, this parent is kind of been repeating that, or at least that's what she was doing in the past. But all of those things that she was trying are ways of avoiding our child's uncomfortable emotions, really just trying to fix the behavior.
15:20So it's a kind, loving way of doing it, but it's giving the same message in a sense that I'm not comfortable with you sharing these overwhelmed feelings you have in these very minor transitions and tasks. I'm not comfortable with you being overwhelmed. I kind of need to just make this go well. Now that's understandable. This is how we all feel and we all want it that way, but it will help this parent to take a look at that and see that that's why none of that's really working ultimately. It may have worked a couple times here and there, but it's not helping this parent be on the path that she's expressed so eloquently that she wants to be on with her daughter.
16:07Respect, connection, encouraging her daughter's voice, showing her she deserves respect so she can move through life with confidence, which she's already doing. But yeah, we want to continue that, right? But at the same time, as this parent said, life still requires us to do things that are hard, uncomfortable, or simply non-negotiable. And I sometimes struggle to know where that balance is. So again, it's not a balance. These are one in the same. Respecting her, showing her her voice matters and teaching her she deserves respect, having that quality connection with her that helps her keep moving through life with confidence and their relationship moving forward with confidence can also teach our kids that they need to do things that are hard, uncomfortable, or simply non-negotiable.
16:57In fact, this teaches it better because the message we want to give them is when it's hard, uncomfortable, or simply non-negotiable, we're there to help you through. and you can be a mess during that. In fact, we want you to share every bit of that with us. We're not going to let it discourage us. We're not going to let it rattle our confidence. We're still going to be that leader for you. In fact, this is what we expect to happen because we know that you're sparkling in life right now and that means you need somebody to be that other side with. And I want to be that person for you. I'm not afraid of that.
17:42Now, I realize it's easy for me to say this. And a lot of people out there are probably disagreeing. And a lot of people out there are probably just saying, just give her an answer of what you should do, Janet. You always just want us to work on our perspective and how we're seeing things and how we're understanding things. And well, there's a reason for that. And that's because no matter what I or anyone might suggest this parent does, it won't work the way she wants it to without her confidence in facing these situations. Her belief in herself that this is connection and she can do this as her real self.
18:21She doesn't need those games and fix-its. She can express things that she's expressed in this note directly to her daughter. Like when she's struggling to get dressed or whatever. This is life, right? We have to do these things. And it's a big old drag. And yeah, you know, cry about it with me. And let me help you pick up the pieces here. This parent said she doesn't always know in advance when the daughter has to make a transition. I mean, that's hard for the parent. It's also very hard for the child. If this bubbly girl was accepting all of this disruption without having a lot of feelings about it, that would be strange, right?
19:06When we expect the mess, we can meet the situation knowing there's nothing we can't handle here. Yes, there will be times when we let things slide. You know what? We don't need to comb your hair. Let's just do it like this, or I'll just put a ponytail on. There'll be other times when we say, okay, now we really, really got to do this, honey. But since we've been practicing this honesty and this acceptance of our child, that will work too. Because what our child wants from us in these situations is the real us. They don't want the jolly, the gamey. They want somebody that really sees them, really accepts them, and can be honest about, look, unfortunately, we got to go.
19:51And, And, you know, this has been your life that you have to pick up and go and pick up and go. And it's so hard. I don't know if this parent's had that kind of conversation with her daughter. I would encourage her to because the more she can open up and allow her daughter to open up, the safer both of them will feel and the deeper their connection will be. She'll find she gets less stuck when her agenda isn't to kind of avoid, which I sense is what's going on here. because she feels like we have a big, awful conflict or we avoid it somehow. This parent can handle the conflict. She can be in it with her and still be the leader and still be respectful and still even be kind, but be honest and say, look, we got to go and I really need your help here, my darling.
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23:17It's inconvenient. Yes, it's loud, maybe. Yes, it slows things down sometimes. Don't let it slow things down too much. You'll find you have more strength with what I call confident momentum. The more you give in, it's like the strength we have when we're allowing those waves to pass by rather than trying to stop them. There's so much power in letting go and letting the feelings be. It's scary, but it gives you strength. And yeah, maybe there'll be things that she misses, things that don't work out as planned, won't have a perfect bath every time. Sometimes we can have a quick shower. What matters is the dynamic and how you approach it, how you feel about it, because that's what kids feel.
24:05When kids get stuck in something, it's often because they're not quite getting something they need from that. So they have to keep trying unconsciously. And I believe she's not quite getting this feeling that it's okay for her to be a mess. So rather than trying to override her feelings or avoid them or punish them, bring it on. It's safe. There's nothing to feel intimidated about here. And this parent said, what starts as a simple transition can turn into an hour-long battle. Yes, because without meaning to, we're pushing up against the feelings. We're trying to avoid them or override them. And it's like a storm that we're trying to stop.
24:50It's a frustrating experience that takes way too much time, much more time than it does to really lean in with confidence and enough momentum, just in your attitude to do your best to make it work. And the worst that happens is you're late or she doesn't get her hair perfectly brushed that day or brush her teeth that one day. But even when those things happen, just think what she can learn there though. She can learn, hey, my mom is on my team. My mom is not intimidated. My mom holds a limit in that she's doing her best to get me through. I'm getting what I need then as this child. And then while I still may have feelings that build up, it won't happen as much.
25:36They won't take as long because I know we're a team and my mom can meet this with confidence to and be that leader that can contain what's going on with me. Not take it on herself like she did something wrong. It's quite the opposite. She's doing the most loving, brave, honest, powerful thing. Kids sense that. So I hope this parent can proceed with confidence. I know it's like we gain the confidence when it works, but in this case, it works because we gain the confidence. This parent can be confident knowing that by hook or by crook, she's going to get through each of these transitions and tasks.
26:15Or maybe there'll be some she lets go over that day, but not only can she connect and be respectful by being her whole self, really that's the only true way to connect. So just getting back to this parent's original questions, how do we know when a child needs more support moving through discomfort versus when a parent needs to hold a firmer boundary. So I don't know how we can hold a really firm boundary with something like a transition or a caregiving activity or a personal task like brushing hair, getting dressed. This isn't something where we can hold a very firm boundary because it's not something that works when we force it, when we hold our child down or tie them to a chair and brush their hair.
27:02That's not going to work for us. These kind of situations take something different. They take that finesse, that give and take, where yes, we're firm in that we're going to do this, but we're not going to force it. We want to work in teamwork with our child. But the thing is, when we're doing that, and even when we're holding a firm boundary around other things that we can hold firm boundaries on. We do want to hold ourselves firmly in terms of our confidence and know that when we hold that boundary, that's how our child gets supported moving through discomfort. This ideal dynamic that we want to practice and that the timers and countdowns won't help us practice is allowing our child to move through their feelings while we're holding the boundary.
27:55That's how it works. And that's why it's such a time of connection. Because we're saying we got to do this and I'm going to help make this happen. But at the same time, we're saying you really don't want to do this. And this is not fun. It's so hard on you to have to keep making these changes, move all your stuff and sleep in another place. And whatever our child is saying, whatever our child is expressing, accept and acknowledge that fully. Empathize with it if you can. That's helping our child move through the feelings. And it's the same thing as holding a boundary, often. And this parent says, is it possible to be so focused on staying connected and respectful that we inadvertently get stuck in a pattern that isn't helping our child grow?
28:45Yes, but only if we are defining or understanding being connected and respectful as moments when we're laughing together with our child or avoiding them feeling uncomfortable somehow and just waiting for them to give us permission to help them out the door or whatever. The definition of connection and respectful is you get to be who you are and I get to be who I am. I'm the leader here that you need to help you and part of that is allowing you to feel all the things and that's as connected as we're ever going to be with our child. I realize this is an unfamiliar groove for that parent to be in as it is for all of us.
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29:32That's why it takes so much practice. That's why I would encourage her to not only be thinking about all this and what she's seeing going on here, but also to let go of the charts and the tricks and have a conversation with her daughter, depending on how much of this she's been doing, just very openly saying, look, we tried all these things, you know, I don't want to do that anymore. I just want to be with you and help you when I know these are things that are really, really hard for you. And yes, they're small things and we could see it that way. Why is she making such a big deal about small things?
30:07But they represent, as they always do with kids, deeper things that she really needs to share with her precious mom. So I really hope this makes sense. I encourage this parent and all parents to believe in themselves and believe in this idea of messy, messy connection, because that is what's real and true a lot of the time, unfortunately. Thank you so much for listening. We can do this. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for$15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, So do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today.
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A parent writes that her 5-year-old consistently resists getting dressed, brushing her hair, bathing, or brushing her teeth. "What starts as a simple transition can turn into an hour-long battle, with both of us ending up overwhelmed and the task often still unfinished." This mom has tried everything she can think of—timers, countdowns, reward charts, silly games, punishments—but nothing seems to help. Janet explains why these well-meaning strategies can sometimes work against connection, reframes what these daily struggles may really be asking of us, and offers a perspective on confidence that could change the way this parent approaches the next difficult moment.
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