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Rio Ferdinand Presents

29 Oct 2026 · 41m · 17 chapters

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Carlos Tevez: Joining City was revenge after I “Gave My Heart To Man United”

In short

Carlos Tevez discusses his Manchester United-to-Manchester City switch, his relationships with Sir Alex Ferguson, and how he felt about playing for both clubs. He also reflects on his time at West Ham, his partnerships in United’s “front three,” and compares players like Messi vs Ronaldo and Maradona vs Messi.

Guests

Carlos Tevez is the main guest (former Argentina and club striker). Rio Ferdinand is the interviewer/host. Gary Neville and Sir Alex Ferguson appear as quoted/imitated voices by the host/others in the conversation.

Key claims

Tevez says he “gave [his] heart” to United but felt Ferguson didn’t reciprocate, including being left on the bench after winning trophies. He frames City as “revenge” because he felt he didn’t get back what he gave at United. He says West Ham’s Alan Pardew told him they didn’t care his position—just play.

Notable examples

Tevez recalls being subbed/asked to warm up at Villarreal and walking onto the pitch while Ferguson was “going crazy.” He describes being flown to Abu Dhabi after the Rome match to meet Sheikh negotiations, and a Munich match where Mancini kept him warming up for 35 minutes before public fallout. He also recounts the QPR match where Joey Barton was sent off and Tevez was taken off before goals came.

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Chapters

0:56

Tevez Discusses His Move to Manchester City

Carlos Tevez reflects on his transition from Manchester United to Manchester City, revealing motivations and experiences.

“You'll hear loads on that devastating front three.”
2:16

Language Barriers and Bonding

Tevez shares his struggles with English and his camaraderie with teammates during his early days.

“but he really wanted to give it a go, which I really respected.”
4:10

Playing Style and Sacrifice in a Star-Studded Team

Tevez discusses his playing style and the dynamics of playing alongside Rooney and Ronaldo.

“Because the people, if you speak in English, they will love it.”
7:58

The Influence of Diego Maradona

Tevez reminisces about meeting Maradona and the impact he had on his career.

“Ismar, because Waza, I saw him, he said that you are his best partner to play with.”
10:13

West Ham Experience and Transition to Manchester United

Tevez reflects on his time at West Ham and how it led to his move to Manchester United.

“But me and Waza, we were saying, oh, I can't believe Diego come to training.”
12:15

Contract Negotiations and Leaving United

Tevez opens up about the challenges of contract negotiations and his departure from Manchester United.

“The second six months were when my head changed.”
14:00

Carlos Tevez's Heartfelt Departure from Manchester United

Tevez shares his emotional journey and feelings of betrayal after leaving United.

“And if the word is broken, it's finished for you.”
20:32

The Rivalry Between Manchester United and City

Tevez discusses the challenges of switching to City and the rivalry's emotional impact.

“Guessing is for game shows, not your business.”
26:53

Reflections on Tevez's Playing Career

A discussion on Tevez's experiences at United and City, and comparisons to other players.

“When I think about the front three, you, Ronaldo, Rooney and then Berber.”
28:01

Comparing Players: Aguero and Kompany

The hosts discuss the qualities of different players, focusing on Aguero and Kompany.

“Different, but for me, the best player in, I don't know, how to say it.”
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29:03

Messi vs. Ronaldo: A Detailed Comparison

An in-depth conversation about the differences between Messi and Ronaldo, including their playing styles and physical attributes.

“We'd watch Cristiano who, with every dribble or every move he made, he was training it all the time.”
30:43

Cultural Impact of Maradona in Argentina

The significance of Diego Maradona in Argentina's culture and history, especially regarding the Falklands War.

“No, no, it's good, but not win the World Cup, blah, blah, blah, blah.”
33:00

Differing Perspectives: Argentina and England

A discussion on the contrasting views between Argentine and English perspectives on historical events and football.

“And I don't know, I think for Argentinian people, this war, it means more for you, for Argentina than the English people.”
34:25

Decline of Manchester United After Ferguson

Exploring the reasons behind Manchester United's decline following Sir Alex Ferguson's departure.

“But it's different because today we're talking about your perspective.”
37:13

Personal Journey: Finding Motivation in Football

Carlos Tevez shares his personal experiences of motivation and loss regarding his football career.

“When Alex Ferguson left, and David Gill, big drop in manager and running of the club.”
39:57

Celebrating a Career: Tevez's Last Match

Tevez discusses his upcoming farewell match, featuring legendary players, and reflects on his career.

“Five-a-side of the best players that you played with, but no goalkeepers, because goalkeepers are not footballers.”
42:01

Discussion on Raquelme and Tevez's Career Celebration

Listeners will hear about Raquelme's skills and a special event celebrating Carlos Tevez.

“I play against him for England against Argentina.”
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1:25Oh, the best team. Yeah? Yeah, for me the best team. You'll hear loads on that devastating front three. Him, Wazza and Cristiano. They win the game, 3-0, Cristiano no goal, Cristiano. I understand Cristiano but I understand Wazza. And he also reveals everything that happened between him and Sir Alex Ferguson, which led him to move across the road to Manchester City. Fan speaking for Ferguson. Fergie, Fergie, see? Sign him up, sign him up. Yeah, yeah, about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me? Carlos has some harsh words for some former teammates too. I look like Neville, me foof. Won a fight? Yeah. Gary speaking for me, I not respect Ferguson.

2:15Look, Carlos was a little bit worried about talking English for the very first time in an interview, but he really wanted to give it a go, which I really respected. I love that in him, right? And so you're going to hear the man himself along with a bit of translation for a few of the answers.

2:34Carlos. Hi, Rio. How are you, man? How are you? Good to see you. You OK? OK, you? Yeah, good, man. Good. Yeah, very good. How are you? I'm fine. Yeah. Good to see you, man. Good to see you. Hey, you look amazing. Huh? Yeah. You look fit, man. I play too much paddle. You play paddle? Yeah, I play paddle. Oh wow. You're a good man. Yeah. You're boxing, no? Yeah, before boxing, now gym, just gym. Like three days in a week. The same Waza. The same. Waza now, you see Waza? Yeah, I see. Before big, now... Good. Good. The... Maybe.

3:13Sorry for my English. It's the... 20 hours as well. Yeah. It's the same my English. It's crazy though. No, no, no, it's the same. But now it's the same shift. No, but before, you never speak. Nah. You just laugh. I think now more you understand more as well now. Yeah. No? Yeah, I understand. For me, it's more difficult to speak. I remember the last day I was in Manchester. You remember? You were driving me and you in the car. In the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're speaking for me. I don't understand my friend. I took him to the game. Was it your last game in Manchester? Yeah, last game. And he was in the car and I was driving and speaking and I could feel you had no idea what I was saying.

4:05He didn't see you. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he didn't know. No. It's funny. Because the people, if you speak in English, they will love it. Okay. When you see this, what do you think? Oh, the best team. Yeah? Yeah, for me the best team. For me, it's more difficult to understand why. Why the streets in one year? Hmm, should be more. But this team is 10 years the same Barcelona. Yeah, yeah. the same also one of the biggest things i think about the team but also this front three and i'd like to see your opinion was the sacrifice for each other the way we would run for the other player the way we would fight for the other player and i'm not even talking about the class just the talent just the sacrifice was amazing yeah uh i think without meaning to we ended up with Rooney and with Ronaldo.

5:16Two players very, very aggressive, real street players, one who came from England, the other from Argentina, and Cristiano who gave that theme, that glamour. But we had Carrick, who also had, and we had Giggs too, who had that style of play. Then we had Skolls and Rooney and me who were much more aggressive let's say, right? You personally, did you sacrifice any part of your game for that front three? No. No? No, no. You just play your game? Yeah, yeah, I play in the game. You see, me and in training, relax. But after the game... I wanted to speak to you about this. In training, I saw Wiza said it before.

6:08When people say to me, in training, who's the best? I said, in training, Carlos did not try at all. But the game, crazy. But Rio, after training, I go to sleep. After I go to the gym. At home? Yeah, at home. I train a little bit, but after, I go to the gym. It's impossible. I remember one day in training in the training in the changing room I'm going outside I saw you the time to train I see you on the bed like this the massage I said Carlos training he said ah no no no last night the baby not sleeping ah stay I said this guy is crazy but one thing nobody else could do this really but because the way you play the game and you run and you fight, it's like, okay, I understand, Kola, it's no problem.

7:06You can do this. For me, it's the most important in the game. Not the training. The training, I like the training. I go to the training in the morning, but you remember me and the West Ham, it's this, the same. But after, in Manchester, strong. Because you train after, you've done physicality in the evening at your house. That's amazing. I didn't even know that. That's good. So what was the instructions from the manager? When you came and you, Waza, Christiana, did the manager ever get you together and say, guys, I want this, I want this? No? No. Just play? No, Fergie, you play here, you play here.

7:47No. We'd look at each other and just play. We knew it was down to the three of us. Played more on the right back then, but he could go inside and Waza might end up on the right or I'd end up on the right. and the two of us through the middle. Ismar, because Waza, I saw him, he said that you are his best partner to play with. Is this the same for you? Yeah, for me, the same. Yeah? Why?

8:15Because for me, it was easy to play with him. I felt the same passion that he feels for football. We both had the same feeling for playing football. It's crazy because me, I have a partnership with Vidic. And off the pitch, we're speaking a lot. The sauna, speaking, eat dinner, speak. But you, Waza, Cristiano, never really speaking and spending time together. Yeah, but I understand Waza. I understand. But you, the same. You understand me. For this time, Cristiano is the number one. You remember the team that win the game 3-0, Cristiano no goal, Cristiano.

9:10I understand Cristiano but I understand the Waza. Everything. When you're watching Waza, I understand. It's crazy. It's true when you say that, it's very different. But the big point is that you accepted each other for who you were, as the way you played. It was the first time me in training and Manuel, he is speaking for me. Carlos, I love too much Argentina. Can you say it? Yeah. For me it's crazy. Yeah, because Argentina don't like England. No, no. No, I joke, I joke. No, no, no. Argentina likes England. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I like the player England. Yeah, I like it. It's crazy. Do you remember in Manchester when Maradona came to the training?

10:02Yeah, training. My eyes were going to cry. Do you remember? Carlos, Carlos. He said, yeah, it's Diego. I said, no, stop training. Stop. Respect Diego. And he came, I said, get me a picture. It was amazing. Maradona was like everything to me. He was amazing. But me and Waza, we were saying, oh, I can't believe Diego come to training. He's crazy. But he was the best. You see Waza lately on the TV? You see him? No, I see Waza in the place last year in the UNICEF in Old Trafford. I see Waza. You saw Big Waza or Skinny Waza? Oh, Big Waza. And now he's changed. Yeah, yeah. He looks good. No, no, no.

10:43Yeah, he looks good. Now it's too much on television. Yeah, yeah, yeah. the peak in series. Just want to talk about before Man United, West Ham. They love you there. Were you aware of the structure of the deal because it became big news that took you and Javier Mascherano to West Ham? We didn't understand the business back then because we came straight out of the World Cup. And if you remember, we left the World Cup and went to England to sign the contract. But we didn't know about all the stuff going on. How much did you enjoy your time at West Ham? Because at the first, it looked like it didn't start perfect.

11:25And then all of a sudden, you clicked into form and it was just goals. And you kept West Ham in the Premier League actually in the end. It's difficult for me in that last time. But the first day of me training at West Ham, Alan Pardieu, you know? Manager. He was speaking for me, for Macerano. I know... Understand? No, he said something like, I didn't ask for you and I don't know what you play, whether it's striker, midfielder or defender. That was the first thing the manager told us. You remember Macerano no play in West Ham? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No play one game. After he went to Liverpool... And play?

12:09Yeah, he played. But in West Ham, no plays. At West Ham, did you know then that I want to stay in England? The second six months were when my head changed. Because the first six months were difficult. If you think back to that time, it was the first six months, I don't play. The second ones, I do. And that's where I started making a difference. But that's where, with English football, where I started to love English football. Well, for me, West Ham is like my home because they treated me really well and they made it possible for me to change that position. So then obviously you leave to go to Manchester United.

12:51How did that move happen? The key is speaking for me. The two years, in Prestam, how do you say it? Loan. Loan, yeah. long, yeah. After, you play well, pay the contract. After one year, Fergie speaking for me, Carlos, now, I go to, voy a pagar el contrato y te vas a quedar en Manchester. You know, the team go to preseason for Los Angeles. I remember this conversation for Fergie. speaking for me, I go to pay for Berbatov, but you don't worry. He tells me I'm going to buy you the thing and we'll do your contract. I know that. I know what happened as well, but I think the Man United fans, they don't know.

13:48And this is, I think it's important as well to understand the dynamics of contract negotiations sometimes. And I think that you can correct me if I'm wrong. I think you came across to me after spending time with you like a man of principles. And if the word is broken, it's finished for you. And that's how you ended up leaving the club. For me, the people, the fans in United understand. understand you remember in the game see the the fan speaking for Ferguson Fergie Fergie sign him up sign him up yeah about you yeah yeah yeah for me we the people understand I don't understand the Fergie speak for me or or or behind the scenes what happened between Fergie and me I think people don't understand that and it's crazy the first time I don't even know if you know this, the first time that I realised there's going to be a problem was when we played Villarreal away in Spain.

14:53And you were sub. And I remember the manager asking you to warm up to go on and you just say, yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. And then I warm up. And then you go to pitch and you just walk in. And I remember the manager was going crazy.

15:12But you're not happy. And I understood you. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember. And the players all saying, you see Carlos, what is Carlos doing? For me it was difficult. For me it was. It was hard, Rio. It was hard because I felt like I had given my heart to United. And I didn't feel the same in return. I didn't feel the same because if you remember we won the Champions League, we won the league and then to bring down my prize, they brought in a player and I carried on the same way for the first month, the second month, let's say of the second year. But by the second month, I didn't want to know anymore.

16:08And it's, do you even know? I don't even know if you know. I remember as well, the end of the season, David Gill, the CEO, he called me. He says, Rio, you speak to Carlos? I said, in the training round, yeah. He said, do you have the phone number? I said, no, I don't have his number. He only speak with Pat and G. we speak about it after but then he uh he said can you speak to him i said no no i know he's agent kia i'll ring kia i was in morocco i remember so i called kia i said kia uh david gills called me he said that he wants he wants carlos to sign they want carlos to sign the manager wants carlos come on man what's happening and kia said to me rio it's not gonna happen i said why i said speak to carlos he said rio no no no i'm not gonna call Carlos because I know the answer already I said but the manager wanted it Carlos make the decision now because he feels things didn't happen the way it should have happened and that's it and I respected this Mr Gill it's not going to happen he said okay bye that was it and I knew you was gone then but I respected your decision Jamare Akia I think also I made the decision six months earlier but I hadn't agreed anything at all with the Sheikh Siyad.

17:27The last match, the week of the last match in Rome, they called me over to sign because I was going to sign for Real Madrid. I wasn't going to sign for City and they put me on a plane after the Rome match to fly to Abu Dhabi to talk to the Sheikh. Quick like that? Yep. Wow. Why you go to City, man? Why you kill me, man? Oh, you kill me. When I see you go to I said, no, not go to City, please. Go Madrid, go Barcelona, not City, please. But in my heart, the City Man U, you remember Man U here, City. For me, it's OK, it's a classic, but now it's Man U, Liverpool. pool. You know? But after the first game in Manu City, I remember.

18:30What was that feeling like for you? Difficult. Difficult. But for me, the team in Manu is unbelievable. Like I said before, for me, if this team had stayed five, seven years, we could have won the Champions League four times for me. What in your mind, because I said what I think, but what in your mind didn't happen in the way that you thought it should have happened at Man United for you to have stayed there? I think that Ferguson had, from the day we talked in Los Angeles up to six months to keep his word and he didn't. On the contrary, he started leaving me on the bench. In my head, he started pushing me aside so he could bring down what I was worth and that's what hurt me the most well it didn't end well I was disappointed it killed us man serious right man we got loads still to come right on this pod but we'll be back shortly after this

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20:50As a reference to United, I want to ask you a question. Why do you all think I went to City and why was it so hard for you to see me at City if you were completely superior? Man City and Manchester United, not the same level, but there is rivalry in the same city. And the big thing for me, personally, we would win more with you. So you go there, we're not going to win as much without you. So I'm like, first, why is it we let him go? He should be staying. And then secondly, why there? I don't want you to go there, please. And he's going to make them better. and we know they had money to spend. Not only Carlos Tevez, but other players now going to come to build the team.

21:37And we didn't want that. I want you with me. Or were you afraid of facing me? When I play against you, you want to kill Gary Neville. Yeah, yeah. I remember. I remember. And then... I look at Gary Neville, me... Wanna fight? Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine. And Rafa as well. No, no, Rafa no. Rafa is just aggressive, young. But he's in the pitch. Gary Neville is in the presence. In the media. In the media. Speaking. Yeah. I know, I know. When I see your eyes, I say, aye, this is real. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But Gary speaking for me, I know respect Ferguson. He doesn't understand me, doesn't understand the situation.

22:33I get it. But now that you've been a manager yourself, do you understand any of your old managers differently now? You have that experience? Yeah, I understand maybe more now. You speak for me, what happened for Mancini. I think And that's where I got it wrong because I wasn't reading the situation we were in. But I'll tell you the story from my perspective. We were playing in Munich against Bayern and it left me on the bench, on the subs bench. And we were maybe 15, 20 minutes into the first half. We were losing 2-0. And he sends me to warm up. He says, go and warm up. I go and warm up. I spend the whole first half warming up.

23:28The second half, I stay out on the pitch, carrying on warming up. The second half starts. I keep on warming up. 15 minutes into the second half, we were still 2-0 down. He puts on De Jong and takes off Agüero. And puts De Jong? De Jong. 2-0 down. Oh, wow. Me, in the warm-up, 35 minutes, warm-up. Me look at this, go to the bank. You go to the changing room? No, no, in the bank. In the bench. Mancini speak for me. Go to warm-up. And I speak to him. I tell him, but I'm warm. It's been 35 minutes I've been warming up out there. You make a change, I tell him, you bring on a defender and take off a striker.

24:20Are you kidding me? And well, from there it all ended badly. Mancini went to the press conference, he said I know... Want to play? Yeah. He killed you, he killed him. Yes. And from there. Because he says in the press conference that I don't want to play for City. Imagine the City fans, naturally they're going to turn on me. and the next day I got my ticket and left I play golf No He wanted to play golf I play golf And then you came back after Yeah I speak for him and I speak for Carlo Come on You speak I'm sorry He finished This is good Yes Because afterwards we won the league of you lot Fuck No but you became the second fastest player to score 50 goals in the club's history.

25:20You win the Premier League. Also talking about winning the Premier League, QPR the game against QPR. What do you remember about that crazy game against QPR? It broke my heart by the way. We knew we had to win no matter what and that pressure fell on us a lot because for the ten previous games we'd always been chasing them. The pressure was completely different and I remember you could feel the pressure of the match and I remember that the opposition were really tough. I don't know if someone slipped them some money. Even Joey Barton, he got sent off kicking Aguero, remember? And you was there as well in the fighting, in the game.

26:01It was a crazy game. Crazy. Crazy, but... I wasn't playing anymore. Mancini had taken me off. Edin comes on. I think Edin scores the equaliser and then Kunz scores the other goal. It was crazy. Crazy. Anyway. So where did you enjoy playing your football more? Man United or Man City? Oh, for you. Fucking it.

26:29I feel like I left a lot at both teams. But if you make me choose, let's say I had a great time at United. The other team, City for me, was like a revenge for, how can I put it? I didn't get back what I gave. Yeah. Oh man. Why did they let you go, man? When I think about the front three, you, Ronaldo, Rooney and then Berber. Just quickly, a couple of quick questions. Skolls or David Silva? Skolls. Yeah? For me, the best player. For me, the best player. But you play with Ronaldo, you play with Messi. No, no, for me, it's cool. Yeah? Yeah. Wow. You remember the training? Look at this, not speaking, nothing.

27:22For the ball. Yeah, yeah. Crazy. The pass. Yeah. The best. All the day, no? Training, the pass, pass, pass. Yeah, the best. For me, the best. Yeah? For me, the best. Wow. Yeah. Pirlo and Skoll. Pirlo as well, yeah? Oh. Good player. Left, right. Beautiful. Easy play. Oh, it's nice. Yeah. Vida or company? Oh. Vida. Yeah? Yeah. Vida's good, huh? Yes. Unvenido. Now it's the same, no? Yeah, the same. The same. The same, crazy. Head the ball, the nose, like this. Don't care. Crazy. Waza, Aguero?

28:11Waza. Yeah? Wow. Why? Different, different. Different, but for me, the best player in, I don't know, how to say it. Best partner. Yeah, the best partner. Yeah? The team in the United is crazy, no? It's totally different. You remember, Kompany played against us? He wasn't Kompany after four years. He grew. He played at the Champions League. Kompany played to be the 10th in the Premier League. This time, then he grew. Different. Different. Total different. Last one. Cristiano or Messi? For me, Messi. For me, because Messi is natural, it comes naturally to him. We'd watch Cristiano who, with every dribble or every move he made, he was training it all the time.

29:13And Messi, I never saw him train that. What do you see is the big difference between the players? Because there's not many people who play with Messi and they play with Cristiano. You're one of Gerard Pique. I don't know many others. What do you see as the main difference between them? Because if we go to the physical side, Messi's power and Ronaldo's power, they're the same. I think with Ronaldo, the difference is that Ronaldo, with his head, scored a lot more goals than Messi. Then, in terms of shooting, Messi has improved enormously. And Cristiano too. The hunger, they have to be the best. I think that that competition, they had made one grow and the other too.

29:59and they were always top. We recently saw Messi retire from international football and we know, listen, we know he's a superstar but tell us how important Messi is in Argentina. Now it's the same, no? It's the same. You look Messi, the people in Argentina love too much Messi, but it's Messi-Maradona. They are both the same because we are known around the world for those two. Do you think Messi had to win the World Cup to be at the same level as Maradona? Yeah. It's important, right? Yeah, it's very important. But the people in Argentina, last Messi win the World Cup, speaking. No, no, it's good, but not win the World Cup, blah, blah, blah, blah.

30:55After we win the World Cup, we win the same level, Maradona. Maradona, when I was growing up, was my favourite. Me, I love him. He's the best. He's like God for me, Maradona. And it was crazy when I saw that you have a really close bond with Maradona. How did this happen? It happened because we both come from very humble beginnings, from the street let's say, you know, and it was like he's a huge Boca fan and so he was the one who lifted me up and from then on we had a great relationship. Imagine Maradona saying come, come, come, he's the best, seriously. But Duke Duke… Why? Why Messi? No, why do you love...

31:461986 World Cup, the goal against England. When I see this and then Napoli, I have the video in the house, me and my friends sit like this, put the video and just watch Maradona every day. Oh, serious, I love him. He's like the best. But in Argentina, the people love the Beckham or the English player. you know, you love Rooney. Because of how Rooney plays, right? But not that kind of love. And more in 86, because after the war for Argentines, Diego started to be a god for what he did to the English. It was because it was a way or Argentina always took that match or any match or the last match against England because of the Falklands thing.

32:45So Argentina is the weakest side in a war and Diego did that to the English on the pitch and especially being Diego. So for Argentina, for the Argentine people, for my dad, for my grandfather Diego was God because of how it was. Yes, more than football. Yeah. Football, but this is more. Yeah. No, no, I get it. It's... And I don't know, I think for Argentinian people, this war, it means more for you, for Argentina than the English people. A lot of the English people, it's not something in the school you're taught about massively. And it's not something where you guys, the way you felt it and the way it happened was very different to the way our generation felt it.

33:33and our fathers didn't speak about the Falklands War to us, the way your father and your grandfather maybe have spoken to you guys. So it's a very different energy. I feel the Argentinians are very like towards England. England is like we're just playing another team. It's different. Yeah. Yeah. I play for United. I don't understand speaking for me Argentina, Argentina. Why do they shout Argentino, Argentino at me? We had a war in between and hearing shouting Argentino, Argentino, for us it's crazy, for us that's crazy. Because Argentine people, they still have that with England, you still feel it in your skin like the last match at the last World Cup.

34:26Crazy. For me, it's crazy. I don't understand. I don't understand. But for me… It makes you feel good, no? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's different because today we're talking about your perspective. The perspective of an Argentine player and an English player. No, it's true. Just to go back to Messi. Because it's quite crazy. Messi and Cristiano, people look at them very different. and they are different guys because Cristiano is very emotional and you can see he have a big ego but all the best players I think have big ego. Messi, what is he like? Does he have a big ego but he doesn't show it but there must be some ego in there, no?

35:11I think something happened with Messi that he'd say very calmly, we'll win 2-0 and we'll win 2-0 with him scoring two. Sometimes you'd see him, he didn't feel like playing and wasn't doing anything. But if he told you, today we win 3-0, he'd score all three goals, easy. Wow. And Cristiano, we know that he had to push himself. He had to work at it. He played on equal terms and he could score three goals. But he wouldn't tell you beforehand with that certainty. like Man City did. That's crazy, man. That's crazy. You went to Juventus after Man City where you had like Pogba and Perla behind you. Before that you had, I don't know, Nasri, David Silva, maybe Yaya Toure.

36:02Before that United, Scholes, Carrick. It was easy to play with those players. The same as Carrick with Scholes, Paul with Pirlo. For me, playing with those players was easy. How good was Pogba? Because when he went to Juventus, it was maybe his best years I saw. How good was he? You played with him. Yes. For me, it's just... That year for me, Paul played at another level and he showed he was an elite player. He stood out. Because after the United he didn't play good. After Juventus, he went to United but he didn't play too much. thing you know why why you think this is the case i i don't know maybe i think he might also have had a problem from when he left united on a free right yeah maybe yeah maybe yeah and pressure yeah also the environment the culture is different yeah in united this time not the top team no you I think he left United on a free.

37:12Why do you think United dropped so much, the team? There's many reasons, I think. When Alex Ferguson left, and David Gill, big drop in manager and running of the club. They brought many of the wrong players. And this was, from this time, very terrible. And then after that, you chase, you chase, you chase. And it became impossible. When you buy the player, I think it's more than I'm buying the man, not just football. It's difficult. Yeah, it's hard. Just a bit more personal. I mean, I read up on that. You said that your father was your number one fan. And what did he give you to make your career possible?

37:57Was he like your coach when you was young, support all the time? No. My dad always went with me as a kid to all the training sessions. He was the first to believe in me. The first one who'd come to pick me up. The one who'd go with me to every match. And I think that without realizing we always play for someone, but we don't realize that we're playing for that person. And that's what happened to me. I asked this question as well because my kids, they want to be footballers, but they lost their mom. And like you said, I saw you said that you lost the desire to play football after losing your dad.

38:37What was it that changed for you? For me, what changed was that first I had no more motivation and I had nobody to play for. When you lose the fire that you have in here, for me that was my number one weapon, let's say. I felt that fire for playing football. And one day I woke up and it wasn't there anymore. I knew why. I knew it was because I'd lost, like I always say, my number one fan. Difficult, huh? Yeah. But no, not difficult. No, fine. No, I'm fine. Yeah. You accepted it. Yeah, I accepted it. Yeah. One day I sleep, I go to the training, nothing. Go to the game, win, lose, the same. I'm finished.

39:34I'm not playing more. But I'm happy. I don't miss football. I've given it up and I feel happy about having given it up because I think it was the first time I was selfish in my life. I'm not playing for anybody anymore. That's good. I respect that. Serious. Will this finish on more light-hearted? Five-a-side of the best players that you played with, but no goalkeepers, because goalkeepers are not footballers. Just five of the best players. Who are the five best players you played with? Pirlo.

40:13Why Pirlo? Give me one reason why. For me, Pirlo is like football's gentleman. Class, class. Class. Yeah.

40:26Ronaldo, Paul Scholl. You love that? Yeah, I love it. I love it. So Pirlo, Cristiano, Scholls. Rooney. Rooney. Oh, this is a good five. Yeah. Good team. Yeah. And Messi. So the team was Rooney, Messi, Cristiano, Scholls. Pirlo. Pirlo. Oh, this is a good team. Not me? No, I'm trying to defend on him. You defend, he's the same goalkeeper. Right, listen man, thank you so much. I appreciate it. I know I've been texting you saying, come on man, please come on. You made the effort. Your English is good now. Pechar. Yeah, yeah. Nice, good, thank you. Te espero en la bombonera. You've got a game to celebrate your career in December.

41:17and December so who's going to be there 20th December who's going to be there and where is it it's my last match I'm celebrating it at La Bombonera and well they're coming Boca play with my best friends and you're you're invited so let's see if we can put together the team we were just talking about I'm going to come I'm training now yeah yeah yeah yeah big game you ready not the best but I'm going to train I'll come And is Messi going to play? Yeah. Okay, good, good, good. And... Raquelme? Raquelme? No, no. This guy, I love him. Raquelme, no, no, no, serious. This one. The ball? He's the same size.

42:02Yeah, yeah, yeah. I play against him for England against Argentina. And the first half, 45 minutes, I come in half time. We have Ledley King. Remember the player, Ledley King? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We say to Mark Raquelme, him with Raquelme, I come half-time and say, hey, what are you doing? Raquel Me. He says, we are amazing, unbelievable. Seriously, a great player. Yeah. He's going to play, yeah? Yeah, he will. Oh, good. I want the shirt signed for Raquel Me, definitely. Make sure you tune in. 20th of December, Bombonera in Argentina, celebrating Carlos Tevez's whole career. What a career. Messi, Raquel Me, all these players, maybe Scholes, Wazza, all of them are going to go play in this game.

42:42So tune in, make sure. Thank you.

From the publisher
Why did Carlos Tevez REALLY leave Manchester United for Manchester City? Rio Ferdinand reunites with his former teammate to hear his side of the story, from his conversations with Sir Alex Ferguson to the Real Madrid move that could have happened. Carlos explains why he felt let down by the club, calls out old team mates and how his decision to leave was made long before he signed for City. Tevez and Rio revisit playing alongside Rooney and Ronaldo, the understanding that made their front three so dangerous, and why that United team could have won more Champions Leagues. They also discuss Rio’s failed attempt, alongside David Gill, to help keep Carlos at Old Trafford and how it felt to become rivals in Manchester. Carlos gives his account of the Roberto Mancini fallout, reflects on what he would handle differently and relives City’s dramatic title win against QPR - a day that broke Rio’s heart. Plus, Tevez makes his Messi vs Ronaldo choice, explains his love for Paul Scholes and shares memories of Diego Maradona. He looks back on his difficult start at West Ham and picks a five-a-side team packed with legends. In a moving conversation, Carlos opens up about losing his father, the passion he lost before he walked away from football, and how he managed to find happiness in retirement.

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