Cole Palmer Signing Would Help Bruno! | Give Carrick the Job

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0:32Ladies first. Hey, mate. How you doing? Yeah, good. Good to see you again. Nice to see you, mate. G, how you doing? I'm going to speak Korean. Korean. How you doing? I'm still alive.

0:51Welcome to this special episode of Rio Presents brought to you by Crafted. We are doing something a little bit different today, guys, because I'm in South Korea with Shoot for Love. I've got a couple of old teammates, two captains of our former club, Manchester United, Mr Ryan Giggs and Patrice Evra. Thank you guys for coming. Appreciate your time. What do you mean old teammate? Why do you look at me then? No, that's what I mean. Look at you, you're still young. I want to get into a little bit about Manchester United. We're obviously here with Man United, guys. We love the club and stuff like that.

1:24How do you see things at the club right now? For once in a long time, you're excited about the games. I've got, obviously, mates who are season ticket holders and they can't wait for the next game and they're looking forward to it. It was unfortunate the result against Leeds. But, obviously, we're all cheering Michael on. He's an ex-teammate and he's a brilliant bloke, isn't he? So we want him to do well. How have you felt about Michael Kainan? Because, obviously, there was a lot of people, yes, no, maybe so. Don't say a lot of people or ex-teammates. Why you don't name people? You're scared or what, Rio?

2:00No, I was disappointed. I'll be honest with you because, like Gixi say, Akara is a great guy. We played with him so many years. And his first two games, playing City, playing Arsenal, getting six points. Then, you know, like Gixi say, we enjoy watching Man United playing now. And it's been a long time we didn't see, like, the passion and playing forward or whatever. he bring Kobe Maino back. So, yes, I was quite disappointed about some criticism, but, you know, everyone has his opinion and everyone can say whatever they want. And especially, you know, when Scolese, he say, Karrick maybe is doing some miracle.

2:43Actually, I think people are the massive misunderstand because I know Scolese and what he mean is because he was like, maybe what Karrick get with those players is doing a miracle. So they get confused. I think Scorsese won was a compliment and not a critic against Gaia. So he was criticising them? No, I'll be honest with you. Like, no, Gary, you know, I love Gaia. I tell him at his birthday, I say, when you were in Valencia, you know, they wanted the paella, you serve them fish and chips. And after three months, they say goodbye. Then, you know, but like I say, you know, when you're on TV, and especially they are legend of the club.

3:21So even when they talk negative, it's because they hurt inside. I don't think because they're jealous or whatever. But sometimes, you know, when you've been an ex-legion, especially when he's one of your old teammates, because I remember when Ole was the manager, you know, everyone was behind him. And that's the only things I want to see with Cara, you know. No, it's crazy. I was disappointed when I saw that, especially like you say, when you saw the support that Ole might have got. That's what I mean. The comparison. But you know, is there anything that you've seen with Caros that you go, that would suggest that he might not be the right guy for the job?

3:56Or is it just full positivity and you think, you know what, he's doing everything you need to see? Well, there's positivity from me because the hardest thing to do as a manager is win games, he's winning games. And it's hard at this time of the season to really stamp your own philosophy your own principles of play you own we all know you need a pre-season you might need a couple of pre-seasons and bring your own players in to identify how you want to play so you know I think there's a lot to be said about obviously we just said it brilliant footballer great bloke actually he's a football guy as well you've seen that on the pitch he's a clever guy even the staff that he's got in I thought it was a great move getting a bit of experience a bit of players who know the club and the players will respect.

4:45So you've got obviously Johnny, who has been in the dressing room recently, Steve Holland, someone who's looking out from in and just brings that little bit of experience and maybe something different that the people within the club don't see. Ryan, I wanted to get your point here because I think you're best placed to answer this question. You've been an interim manager. You've been in that position. Give us some of that detail, like the difficulties, challenges that come with that role that Michael's facing? Do you know what? I think every manager that goes into a role now, it's like interim.

5:17You don't get time. So you have to, I think 20, 30 years ago, you're looking at long-term, you're buying players in, young players who maybe not right yet, but two or three years' time, they'll be great for the club. You can't do that anymore. Well, you can do, but you've got to short-term and long-term. and I think Michael will do that. I think Michael will. And another sign of a good manager is the team that he leaves behind. Ruben Hammering took a lot of stick for the way that he played. I didn't enjoy watching it but actually I think some of his signings have been good and I think we're now seeing that now.

5:57So even though his legacy probably isn't great with results and performances, actually for a long time now he's probably left the club and the players that he got out he's left the club in a pretty good place one of the things a lot of players you hear in his time talk about I've spoken to Harry Maguire and Bruno especially that discipline that he brought in he brought in a different culture that was better than the previous time so huge importance in that yeah you can't win without the right culture and the right team spirit and obviously good players I just think people I don't know why they think too much about the future.

6:39The present is KARA to get the top four spots and that's the goal and I think we are in a good direction of that. Because we keep saying experience or whatever but look at Arteta in Arsenal they give him like five years or whatever and he still didn't win you know the league. No I don't but Ria I'm just giving an example don't don't make me start on Arsenal. I don't want to lose my time talking about Arsenal. We're talking about United. But we try. We try with Bignam. We try with Mourinho. We try with Van Gaal. We try with Amorin. So that's why for me, saying like, should Cara get the job? This is not the question of the day.

7:22This is not the question of the moment. Cara is doing a good job. So let's be behind him. Then at the end of the season, if he doesn't, you know, qualify the team, then I will understand if some people say, OK, we need a new manager. But I don't know if it will work. Because personally, I couldn't believe with the first game, I think it was against City and the way we play. It doesn't matter about the result of Rio. I was like, wow, all the players are passionate. So even if you bring like an amazing tactician or with a big name, it didn't work in the past. So why we don't have someone from the house, he know the club, you know, he's really calm.

8:01I love even the way when he's at the press conference or whatever. And he's doing a good job. Did we need someone to win straight away? Did we have the player to win the Premier League? That's what I mean. So let's have a manager, like Gixi say, Amorin actually, every player he bought, now we see the quality of those players. So Karik is doing a good job with them. And give him a chance, give him a chance, but at the end. I think there's two things in that. when I see people debating it and I just think to myself it's easy to say oh someone else should get it well the two points I have are like well who then because the names that are being thrown about are too cool Ancelotti Luis Enrique those three two of them have got new contracts signed new deals the national teams Enrique how are you going to get him out of PSG he's probably going to win another Champions League in contention is he going to come to Man United now and Nagelsmann is Germany manager like and there's still question marks around him coming to May United.

9:02So I look at it and think that it's too easy to say, oh, he should get it or whatever. And then also, he could finish third. If someone said when he came, he's going to finish third, you'd have said, what are you smoking? Exactly. It's mad. For where we were at. No, but like you say, people, and we will have to start from zero again. I just feel like we become like Chelsea every year. And this is not United. Normally we need consistency and we try with Ammo. And to be honest, I was in shock, but yes, the result wasn't there. But I was thinking, you know, Eos, they will give him like more time.

9:39Then they bring Cara and Cara is doing miracles. I think Scorsese is right. He's doing miracles. I've seen reports even today saying about the hierarchy. They're asking for someone with a more stronger personality. Do you think about that? How important is that quality? I think obviously a strong personality. I think just the way Michael's gone about it he's just quiet and Pat touched on the way that we played against City that's how Man United play it's pass and move, pass and move and then when you get it ball into the dribblers you can make things happen that's when risk and taking players on but Man United has always been no player moves quicker than the ball and the pass and move and you've seen that in little triangles with the City game and that's after like what a few days of training so let's see what he can do after like I say a pre-season and getting in the players that he wants and then obviously he's got big decisions with you know likes of Marcus Hoyland Sancho all these players would you go back to any of those players because this the other no maybe Hoyland maybe maybe Maybe.

10:53Because I thought he was unlucky that there's just one centre forward at the club, really. And everyone was expecting him to come in and do great. And it's, yeah. I think Sesco gets more chances. I think we've seen that and scored more goals. But you never know if you've got two young, hungry centre forwards up front and saying, right, fight it out. And you've seen that at United. That's always been a strength at United as well. any big club you know that strength in depth and i always say it training was harder than the game sometimes so if you've got you know man united center house marking one end hoyland the other end sesco in in training it's going to be competitive you know we played in eight v eight nine v nines rather than the saturday they were man it was mad on it you need that strength in depth though if you're going to compete obviously hopefully may not get a champions league you're need more bodies the strength and depth as we say where would you say United probably needs to invest in given if it may not get into the Champions League as it's looking like now where would you be looking to invest?

12:02Well I think midfield without a shallow doubt at least two midfielders so it looks like Casemiro's going to go Galati will probably go so I would say two centre midfielders Would you be wanting to compliment Kobe or was it like you could bring two out of them for you to play? It's again, just three or four midfielders and there's two spots there because Bruno's guaranteed to play 10. There's four players there. There's two spots. Fight out. Yeah, I will say the full back because I feel like we are not consistency enough. And Luke Shaw, I mean, when he's fit, he's doing very good. But, you know, as a full back, when you play for United, sometimes you need to play even more than the goalkeeper.

12:50So I think we need a consistent left back and a consistent right back. And I think Harry Maguire is doing a good job. Maybe another centre-back because Martinez also has a few injuries. But we can still do something big, but it depends. Which expectation I have for United right now? Did I expect United to win the league next year? No. I expect them to do something well. Yes, it's just like the continuity about, I hope they end the season very well. Because that's the problem. And the United fans, what they want, and that's why they judge Cara. They're like, with this manager, we can't win the league.

13:30But it's really, we got the quality to do that. And I'm honest with myself. Yeah, I'm honest with myself. I expect United to, if they finish third, maybe to finish second or third again. And for me, it's already progress. And, you know, it hurt me to talk like that because back in the day when we played, we have to win four trophies per season. But, you know, reality check, I'm not sure with those players. And even if you bring any manager, you're going to win the league or the Champions League or whatever. So just to have like a continuity of this good end of the season. Many United fans are loyal.

14:06If they see improvement over the next couple of years and they know that they're going to get five, six, ten years of competing, I take that all day long. All day long. But you need to see improvement. You need to see good recruitment, players who excite you, players who get you off your seat and, like I say, play the Man United way. Who are those players that fall into that category for you? Because the interview we'd done, that was one of the telling things for me that I took away from it. The way you described the Man United player, the values, run, take the ball, play with risk, high energy.

14:40Who's a player that falls into that category for you if you're looking in terms of recruitment now? Outside there? Ones that we could get. Realistic, yeah. Starfight. Would Cole Palmer fit the bill? Yeah, he would. Manchester lad. Yeah. Where would he play? With obviously Bruno 10. He'd play off the right, possibly. But yeah, we talk about Hoyland and Sesco. It's only really Bruno who's creating the thing things time and time again. Whereas you need, like Bruno has a bad day or he's injured, you need three or four players in your squad who can make things happen for these players to put the ball in the back of the net.

15:26When you play for United it's different. You can be a great player, whatever you play and you come to United and it's a different pressure. Is it more than a talent? Is it more than a talent? Do you think your experience of UC, Obviously, because you grew up at United, but you coming in, was it more than your talent that made you succeed? No, me straight away, I see character. I see personality. And you see my first six months, the way I struggled. I think I was in May the best left back in the world when I was in Monaco. Wait, wait, pause me. Do you remember that? They want to be a member. No, I remember when he got subbed at half time.

16:05This was one of the worst. Are you okay, pal?

16:11the worst is after that game when i went home and i remember my agent luca was with his wife and he looked at me just say like patrice i'm sorry i say why he say should never bring you at united it's like too big for you yeah actually even you know my my asian dot but to be honest i I deserve it because I arrived and I was like, oh, it's going to be like so easy. And what I realized when I signed for United, first of all, you need to be like even more stronger with your leg. You remember the way I was sleeping in training, you were laughing with Waza. Scolzi was like, you think I was a joker? We said we should have sent him back free to Monaco.

16:52But at the end, after like, you know, and it's not because Kixi is here, but for me playing with Kixi so many years, I learned so much and we were in friend on the pitch you know you remember Gixi when I was doing those shit training throwing and he was the bounce and Gixi was like yo shit you can do better and everything but after we were always like you know Gixi we said sorry sorry it's the adrenaline the winning mindset and you know people talk a lot about the DNA of United but for me it's that character and I'm sure when Ferguson was picking a player he was meeting him in person try to understand you know his lifestyle who he is he's ready like I remember me was like are you ready to not lose any game and I say yes are you ready to not even draw a game I say yes you shook his hand so you know you give your word but now this is a different generation but that's what I look when as when people tell me as a United player is someone with personality and who I see in this current squad I think that it's not many players.

17:54I mean, Bruno, for me, is the best player, you know, but about like, you know, being in the game every time. Like Diallo, Ahmad, you know, I think what he's doing when he's playing, you know, especially when he plays against City or whatever, even in Buemo, like aggressive. Cunha, I'm really surprised. The way, and remember, I talked with you, Rio, before he signed and I said, Rio, what do you think? And you say, create chance. And actually, it creates so many chances. So even bringing new players, because it will be tough for them. Any player come to United will be tough. We talk about Palmer, I love Palmer, but again, who's going to be the maestro of the team, Bruno or Palmer?

18:31You're again having some trouble. Do you see these traits you're talking about, Man United player traits in Kobi Meynu, who's come in and he's actually done well. He's been back in the squad, back in the fray. Oh yeah, he can handle the football. It's just the lads, I love Kobi. Yeah, and you have to have that. And local lads coming through. You just have to. They're United. It's really important. And that dressing room, it's really important. But, yeah, I think you're now seeing what a good player. He's still learning the game. He's still young. For a midfielder, for Man United, he's still young.

19:05I really don't understand. Not many young players come in and boss Man United to midfield at that age. So he's still got time and he'll improve. What do you think his level is? Could be. Oh, no, he could go to the top. But he needs players around him on the same ability. You need all to be on the same wavelength. After a few months of playing with Pat, he used to just perfect the underlap. I've never seen him. I would be on the wing and I'd just flick it. I wouldn't even need to. So getting them relationships. Eric, I wouldn't even need to speak to him. He would just pass the ball where I wanted it, right speed.

19:43And then once you get that, but that takes time. Take time. Some get it straight away. Obviously, you had it with Vida, where you don't even need to speak to each other. You know where each other's going to be. So when you get to that stage and you've got players of quality, and not just 11, you know, you've got 20, that's when you're competing for leagues. Do you see the relationships starting to develop now under Michael with any of the players in the team? Like, when you look at this team right now? I feel Bruno is in a better position. I think we... Higher up the pitch. Yeah, in the best way.

20:17But like Giggs, he said, Kobe needs someone solid, a partnership in the midfield. Like, for example, even as a central back, who you will say is the best pair of centre-backs for United right now is Maguire and Wu. I don't think you could put two and go there to best ones. That's what I mean. And that's the issue, Rio. We don't even have a pair of centre-backs. and you know you are the rock of the team you are the leader and when we're going to find this already in the midfield then that's where you win the game that's where you win the game and that's the common I think one of the common debates in the pubs in the front rooms in schools is like in midfield it's quite glaring we're going to need while Casemiro's leaving who's in the market you go for now I like Anderson I like Wharton we've got to have a left footer in the midfield best players I haven't seen that much of Belieber I've not seen loads of him He's had a bit of a dip since last season Yeah So I can't really comment on him But yeah I like them too Right man we've got loads still to come Right on this pod But we'll be back shortly after this

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22:25What about, you know, talking about Casemiro, because I think it's, I have huge respect for Casemiro and what he's achieved as a footballer but even more so when he came to May United and things didn't go his way and he's stuck at it and he's shown ridiculous character what's your how do you reflect on Casemiro's time here at United he's not that old what's he 33 somewhere like yeah what he's 33 34 you know Brazilian now like a foreign player I'm sure I've seen it the other day he's not like 36 37 though is he no he's not no no maybe in Brazil I'm 45 I'm 55 in Europe, in Senegal I'm 56. So Brazilians play that game too.

23:07He's 34, he's 34. Is he? Yeah, he's 34 years old. He's young, he's not that old. In today's game especially, well, if he's following your footsteps, he can play to his 40. It might take you a couple of transfer windows to get that two, three midfielders in. So, yeah, would you keep him another year and just, yeah. But money's, you know, he'll be getting offered. Yeah. He's on big door as well. Yeah, and he'll be getting offered. I think he had a good season. Not what maybe some people weren't expected, but I think he did well. I would say he did well at United. I'm happy, especially the way also for his last season and he scored some important goals.

23:47He's going to have a good farewell. I think if you ask the Man United fans, the real fans, they will say they're happy with Casamiro. Should he stay or should he go? Yes, they will be more like, OK, now he can leave. that's where Michael earns his money an arm around the shoulder and just say can you give us another year you might get deals elsewhere but what you've done for us you love the club obviously you're going to bring Kobe in we're going to bring another midfielder in you're not going to play every game just be honest with him but you'll make a massive impact I didn't play every game for the last 5-6 years but tried to be effective and tried to be positive around the dressing room positive in training and just when I was called upon be effective how do you deal with that as a player because i was quite lucky in my career that i think center backs a bit different maybe sometimes that you when you're getting too old you're just gone you're out of the team it's not really maybe today's game is a bit different they might share the load a little bit but in your position in midfield and that it's like oh we will phase you a little bit and you can play a little bit less games but like you say if you've got the impact but mentally how do you deal with that as opposed played every game yeah you for me i handled it alright because I was getting less injuries.

24:58I was fit and ready to play. The time where I struggled is now, when the big games are coming. You know, you want to play in every game. And if you're in the FA Cup, the Champions League, big league games, you want to play every game and that's the blow when you're not picked for one of them games. But during the season, the rest of the season, I was fine. To be honest, me playing with Kixi, I disturbed because I'd never see the difference. whatever for my first year for when we play like nine years together for me it was still Ryan Giggs and he was like so professional it's the first one he was bringing the yoga you remember we were laughing about it now everyone is doing this yoga and shit especially Berber I think he's a he's a model now what's Berber doing seriously you see him today he look like a flower oh man it's unbelievable if you blow him like he can fall yeah yeah like I said Berber stop your shit but no back to to Gixi what you say i think he's always been a role model and when people ask me what's the best player you play when you are at united and they expect me to say cristiano or rune and i also always say Gixi because of the consistency of the way when Gixi you lose a small game in the training it will kill you Gixi teach me like how to cross like between the leg you know and it's like so some small stuff you know it was like Patrice He was telling you, yeah?

26:23Yeah, no, he was telling me because he was like, the reaction of the defender will always open his leg. Just like, you know, like strong on the floor. And many assists have done like that. And in training, especially, I was seeing Xie sometimes, he was seeing some pass that I couldn't even imagine. So every day, you know, being around him, and I learned so, so much, so much. How do you, you spoke about building relationships with a team, with this team, they need to build relationships to be a better team. just talk to me about your relationship how did you go about building that relationship and becoming a great partnership Pat was perfect for me at the right time in my career early on I played with Dennis and it was just Dennis giving me the ball he would overlap now and again but just let me I was coming towards the end where I could still beat a player but I didn't have that blistering pace so I would play a little bit more inside Pat would overlap if I held the width he would under lap and he would pass me the ball the defender would come and I would just flick it and Pat would you know what it used to be like it used to be three yeah just unbalanced and just so strong and just carry on and then you know he knew he wouldn't he would do that fake sprint back you know but you know it weighs I'm really running back no Giggs is there he's all right I did it You know his face is like, I'm coming back.

27:45No, no, no, you just feel like, no, no. Vida, for that, I went for that. Vida didn't lie like, hey. No, but I think Gixi, we built our relationship by respect. Oh, it was easy playing with him. It was so easy. We know, and Mia was like, you know, and he's laughing about it. But sometime I was like running back, then I was seeing Gixi and I was like, fuck it up, Patrice. It's like, it's more older than you. Like, come on, you can do it. But I trust Gixi. Every time I've got the ball, he will know exactly. I know exactly where to pass the ball and I know what he was going to do. If he was going inside, if he was, you know, changing the side.

28:22And, you know, many players I play on the left with, for example, Cristiano, when you overlap, he doesn't pass you the ball. Gixi will flick. So he knows you do at least 10 overlap with Gixi. I will have six of the ball and maybe without the winger, I will have one or two. So he was really... Even during that election, was there arguments and disagreements at all or not? The throwing. The throwing. What, did you get pissed off with the throwing? Throwing, bouncing, and just like, what are you doing? Tom gave you the throwing. I had to give him the eyes now in the game. What are you doing? He was doing this.

29:00Oh, OK. Just to go back to Bruno, does he get into our era of team? it just depends who's in obviously when you start naming players yeah but he's he's in the conversation because consistent man you know players he gets the ball and he doesn't he doesn't care if he's going to lose it because he's risking yes and the reward of scoring a goal of creating a goal so what if it gets cut out i got taught seven eight times you might get tackled second eighth ninth time tenth time you'll win the game and that's that's how he plays um and he's done it not just for a couple of seasons done it consistently is that the difference between like now and the way the game's played compared to like aria and before there was there was a lot more risk and maverick type.

29:54But of course, full process. Of course. Now for me, it's like playing PlayStation now and every player, they look like robots. We don't have the creativity. That's why I have so much respect for Guardiola. But the problem, everyone was trying to copy Guardiola, even us. You know, when we have Onana and Onana was touching the ball more than even Bruno, it's like a chess game. The Premier League You used to be like two boxers. Like, you give me and the first you knock out. So that's, for me, that's what is missing. But like I say, it's a different generation. We were football players and now I feel they are athletes.

30:30You know, it's completely different. Bring it back to the Premier League. No, but they, because the way Rio, you know, and people think I hate Arsenal. So I say it again. It's impossible to hate your babies first. But I don't hate, you know, no, Rio. I will clear these things. Like, Gixi and Rio, did you have a team when you're going to play against them, a favorite team, and you know it doesn't matter if you're not better than them in the league, you're going to play like the perfect game? And I had this with Arsenal. And I respect, actually, Arsenal a lot. But what I don't see in Arsenal, I never see personality.

31:09And you can see even their fans, they don't believe in them. They were like 9.6. They already talk about bottling the league. You know, they have that curse. They can't get rid of it. And now Guardiola, I don't see City and they come back, they beat them in the cup. You think they're going to let pass that chance? I think for me, if Guardiola win this, it's going to be one of the biggest achievements. Like as a Premier League, it will be his best Premier League win because nobody expects that. But when it's Arsenal, I will never talk about the Quadru winning like four trophies. And when I heard that, I was in shock because they don't have the team to do that.

31:44We had like three teams. We can play the A, the B, the C team. Then that's when you talk about winning three trophies or four trophies per year. But when you look at this Arsenal team, and I have respect for the player or whatever, it's a different generation. But it's honest and they think it will be eight. But I'm sure if you ask, I have many friends from Arsenal, they're shitting themselves right now. Even then, they don't believe. You see the way they boo them when they lost the last game at home? This doesn't happen. I've got to be honest, I won't be scared now. Given the history of what's happened in the last couple of years, they've been leading the league, then they lose the league last minute, and it feels like it's starting to happen again.

32:26Have you been in any situations where you've been ahead? You can't stop momentum in sports sometimes. We've chased down teams, and we've been chased, and it's horrible. The Arsenal will be looking over their shoulder now going, but it's very hard because City are on the momentum is big with them you know that's what I say to people you know I remember and we know if we win against Wigan we're going to be champion I think three games in advance but I remember before the game I was like I was feeling the pressure and I remember when Gixi scored like it was such a deliverance and we were about to win the league three games so that's why I say I don't see Arsenal, when is the last three games, they will collapse.

33:12And they did it. You think they'll collapse? They will collapse. I don't feel any personality in this team will handle that pressure. That's my feeling. I say, I can be wrong. People can say I hate Arsenal. But in City, they will keep going. And they show they are better than Arsenal in the club, and they will show it again. So, you saw Fiyo Walcott's comments about... No, I'm leaving. Funny story. No, you need to... No, because... Where is that going? No, because that's exactly, that's the problem with, you know, Arsenal. No, he's comparing this team with our 2018. I think he's a menace, you know, for the society.

33:55He should not be in the TV. Like, comparing... No, he's dangerous for the kids. No, but that's why I keep saying they are delusional. Remember what we do with Joe? And I know I talk with my heart, but they are delusional. This is a disrespect. Like, it should, like, never, never be on TV again when he starts asking questions like that. And the crazy part, no, the crazy part, if you talk to this new generation because they're just born after the PlayStation 5, they're going to, if you compare every position, they're going to say maybe Sakai is better than Cristiano and stuff like that. But that's the reality.

34:30So that's why I'm not in shock. like don't come on we can't be in the debate like come on this is ridiculous and they didn't prove nothing because they think they're going to win like four trophy and now they will have the chance maybe to win the premier league because the champions i don't think they're gonna make it they play against uh bayern no arsenal yeah in semi-final atletico tough game man atletico when When did he say that? Huh? When did he say that? He said that about… Before they went out of the Cups? Yeah, before the Cups stopped, before they lost a few games. No. And Wazza shut him down, to be fair.

35:06No, but Wazza was too nice. Yeah, if it was you, it would have been different. Oh my God, we'll slap him. I think it was unfair to compare. Unfair? Because they've not won yet. When they win, and you compare after, I think you compare, it's unfair to the team. What do you think about everyone labelling them like a set-piece team and not a team that have flair and stuff like that. I think, yeah, if I'm Arsenal, I win by any way. Yeah, I don't care. Right now. And when you win, then maybe you can start being elaborate and stuff like that. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. Because that is always the hardest one to win.

35:41Yeah. And it is hard to defend, but getting that sort of first win and the confidence that it breeds that now you know that you can do it because you're always thinking, can I do it? And then when you do do it and you add to the squad and you sprinkle a little bit more quality into the squad. The player's already there. You're coming into a club that's champions. Different mentality, isn't it? It is different. I think this debate comes about the DNA of Arsenal playing a beautiful football. You remember us in 2010 when we win the league. So the press was saying this is one of the worst United side under Fergie.

36:18So it's about the DNA, but like you both, I both agree with you. I don't care. If I can win only in set pieces, let me win. Let me break that curse. Then after, let me back to the philosophy of Arsenal playing a beauty food football. Because when they do it, they didn't win. So why people are blaming them now because they win? And anyway, you win like important game in set pieces. So for me, they're doing great. I will never blame them for that. What do you make of Mikel Arteta in these months? I think like you said, you get judged in certain points as a manager. This is obviously a critical point of the season.

36:51what have you made of Mikel Arteta around this this where the pressure really does amp up now well we'll see now you know decisions you know the substitutions the half-time team talks the selection um these are big moments for him and he's on fire so so these are these are big moments because it will probably win every game they've got that momentum and they've got that quality the players are playing well they've been there. Change subject quickly. Giggsie, I can't have you sitting here as one of the best left wingers, if not the best left wingers you've ever played in the Premier League and not ask you about wingers and forwards.

37:26Who in the game right now are you watching? We've just had a couple of great rounds of Champions League, especially beyond the Premier League. I think it's the best quarterfinals I've seen for a long time. Phenomenal. Luminium out, Alise. I'm at home. Just keep switching over. Which game should I watch? I like obviously the the buying game was brilliant but we talked the the mavericks got maybe more the premier league but in european football there's still you know venice junior mbappe um elise was outrageous i thought he was brilliant what do you like about him just he's still got that as if he's playing in the playground but still effective so you can do that you can do that but you have to be effective and he is some goal he scored but just he's still got the little tricks he's still picking up them little pockets where it's hard to pick him up so I really enjoyed it I really enjoyed it I thought the quality was brilliant Barca obviously two sendings off killed them because they were young exciting team fresh just loads of energy loads of skill but just got undone by you know obviously Simeone typical Simeone team.

38:41The PSG forwards, man. Oh, PSG. Because you know what they've got? And again, it goes back to the traits you say about a Man Utd player. Players that run aggressive, take risks. They've got all of those traits that you talk about in their wide areas. And they did it at Anfield. Yeah, exactly. Hard place to go, isn't it? I have fancied Liverpool to get a goal then. It can change there. No, PSG are impossible to play. For me, the main man is Dembélé. You know, we talk about Desiree Duane and all of that. And people were always saying Mbappe, you know, is bigger than Dembele. But I train with Dembele.

39:21Trust me, Rio, for a defender, it's impossible to mark. Because he doesn't even know if he's left or right foot. Okay, in training, yeah. He can go. In training. So is he the hardest player he's played against in training? No, you just need to break his leg. Like, I'll be honest, me, I think because he respect me. So he never tried to. But yeah, he took it easy, but he can go. You know, when you're a defender, or you show him the right side, you can't with Dembele. And I think Dembele, what was missing, he was like taking his chance. And I'm sure Enrique loved him. He had some training session with him about finishing.

39:56Because what you see about Mbappe is not new for anybody. Why? People didn't give him the credit because they were so frustrated because he was always missing the opportunity. But who? Dembele, sorry. And that's what you see from Dembele. I'm not in shock. when people always criticise Dembele, I was like, these guys, when he's going to start scoring, everyone's going to say he's the best in the world. And for me, I always rank him even higher than Dembele. Do you know what I think was a massive... I would love to speak to him and ask him this question, but I think the conversation... Have you seen the video of Luis Enrique talking to Mbappe?

40:29You've got a video screen. And there's him and Mbappe in there, and he's telling him, you need to run to sacrifice, be the leader, show your team that sacrifice. Michael Jordan, et cetera. It feels like Dembele was in the corner of the room listening and said, right, this is for me. That's my chance. It was the Champions League game. You remember Dembele was like this. He started to press. I was there, yeah. He didn't even score that game. But just to see that for my stride, it was unbelievable. No, you get it. He get it right. This is the difference with Mbappé. I always say Mbappé for me is like the Kobe Bryant.

41:03And we want him to be the Michael Jordan to make other players around yourself good. you're still good but also the player around yourself and that's the problem with Mbappe whatever he go like a PSG he will score goal majority will score goal but at the end the team won't win trophy and that's the bigger issue and you have someone like Dembele angry and they can tell him like you need to press you need to just and that's what he's doing and at the end also when he have chance he score goal it's complete also looks like that freedom that now he's playing in the center yeah he's got that everywhere as well messi used to play right wing didn't he yeah come in that little false that's the difference yeah i can see laminio mal doing that at some point yeah in his career just with the world cup head on who's your favorite winger in the world right now even look if you look at elisa i saw our stat the other day he's actually outperforming ribbery and robin at by in terms of assists yeah he's on route to break messi's assist record for the year oh my god crazy that's madness problem french have got they've got so many players haven't they yeah who will play dembele mbappe elise all play yeah the way no listen all this it doesn't doesn't even start yet because he's uh yeah yeah and depending on mbappe where you know they show who like to play my no mbappe only one to play on the left young lads at pierce do it i love him oh he's like name on left like neymar unbelievable we have too much strong as well yeah francis squad is ridiculous you could have played three teams and they're completely but that's what i'm saying with france the squad they can't all play yeah yes so the squad you go they've got that it's like portugal portugal you've got i forgot about him i forgot about him yeah only 11 can play we have this issue and it's actually a good a good problem but like Gixi say we got too many good players and also France we got the best squad in all the team but sometime when we win and it's too easy for us we're getting arrogance and we're like okay it's too easy we're gonna score celebrate dancing and that's when we can get hurt but if you look at it normally France should win this World Cup but be careful of Portugal Spain for me you know if you ask me the best winger I see yet for me, I mean, Laman, like during the Euro with Spain, I saw him play.

43:26I couldn't believe because people talk about him, the way he's scoring goal, but his pass, his maturity to understand the game. I couldn't believe in, in this age and he's keep going. And like I say, you know, he's a different generation, the social media, all of that. Maybe we'll have like a lot of distraction or whatever, but he's a pure talent. it's a pure talent let me know alright listen guys thanks again thanks for your time man I appreciate it always love chatting so thank you okay send me on my bank account don't worry send it 226 5 EB send it oh thank you for having us no no cool man thank you thanks top man cheers I think I've never done an interview with Gissi actually no I don't the first time in my life thank you I appreciate that's why I need to give you a present maybe a little thank you cheers guys man thank you

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