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11 Jun 2025 · 17m · 10 chapters

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Cristiano Ronaldo Vs Lamine Yamal | Who Was The Best At 17?

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The episode is a debate-style discussion on whether Cristiano Ronaldo at 17 and Lamine Yamal at 17 are the “best” and whether Ronaldo’s continued scoring is luck. The hosts argue scoring 900+ goals requires repetition, positioning, and execution, not luck, and cite Ronaldo’s international goals vs Spain and Germany. They also defend Ronaldo’s resilience, Nations League success, and his impact on Portugal, including investing back into the country. For Yamal, they defend his swagger and confidence against social-media backlash, claiming he’s producing all year, including big-game performances (France, Inter Milan semi-final, Euros, Champions League, Nations League) and handling elite left-back matchups.

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Aaron (podcast participant/commenter) and the main host(s) Joel/“Rio Reacts” (Rio Ferdinand Presents).

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Chapters

1:37

Ronaldo's Legacy and Current Form

Discussion on Ronaldo's recent performance and his legacy in football.

“He was saying a few days ago, he was just like, Ronaldo's finished.”
4:25

Debate on Ronaldo's Role

Exploring the debate on whether Ronaldo should start or come on as a sub.

“And he reckons Martinez, he goes, he needs to just let it go.”
6:05

Ronaldo's Impact on Portugal

Analyzing Ronaldo's contributions to the Portuguese national team.

“Because if you look at his last two tournaments, it wasn't good.”
8:01

Ronaldo's Celebrity Status

Exploring the massive influence Ronaldo has in Portugal and globally.

“It is like God and Cristiano are sitting side by side.”
9:10

Lamine Yamal's Emergence

Discussing Lamine Yamal's rise and his comparison to legends like Ronaldo.

“he invests his money back in the country as well.”
14:00

Comparing Laminia Mal and Cristiano Ronaldo at 17

A debate on whether Laminia Mal is better than Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi at 17.

“At 17, is Laminia Mal better than Cristiano Ronaldo?”
14:50

Performance Analysis of Top Players

Discussion on the performance and potential of top players like Laminia Mal, Salah, and others.

“Nuno Mendes is going around with handcuffs in games and saying, stick with me in my pocket.”
16:50

Patrice Evra and Nemanja Vidic's Dynamic

A look into the relationship and on-field dynamics between Patrice Evra and Nemanja Vidic.

“Which I think both have got an element of being right, yeah?”
18:39

Engaging Viewers and Future Content

The hosts discuss upcoming content and encourage audience interaction.

“And for everybody watching, I want you to get involved, all right?”
19:50

Engaging Viewers and Future Content

The hosts discuss upcoming content and encourage audience interaction.

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1:24Yes, guys, welcome to Real Reacts, the place to catch all of my unfiltered, raw reactions to the stories. And it's usually like some of the wild things I said, the transfers, everything. But yeah, I'm looking forward to this one now. It's like when people say that Ronaldo was just lucky to get that goal the other day. Did you see that guy, Aaron? He's been on the platform once. He was saying a few days ago, he was just like, Ronaldo's finished. I was up in the comments, straight away. I went up in the comments. Is it? Aaron, I was up in the comments. I went straight. He's on a pod in it. He was doing it on a pod.

1:54Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like a reaction to Ronaldo's scoring. He actually said he's lucky. He was like, luck. And I'm like, do you know, like, for first and foremost, to score 900 plus goals, be near 1 ,000 goals yet, don't bring luck to it, yeah? No. Right? But even a little tap in, the best strikers in the world will tell you, I've had to make probably eight, nine, 10 runs in a game before that to get that one opportunity. and then it's about executing. Like it's not luck. Like to get in a, the ball falls, yeah, into certain positions. It's not like, there's maybe a smidgen of luck sometimes that the ball's felt a certain rate of speed that it's helped you.

2:35But to be there and to be able to put it in the back and there's been years of repetition, years of making runs and not getting the ball. Like, do you know how hard it is to keep doing something and not being rewarded? Yeah. That's the big thing with strikers. They keep making certain movements. Don't get rewarded, but have to keep going back to it. It's like going to the fridge and not having a... It's true. It's like going to the fridge, yeah, and the cake ain't there. Every time you go there. But maybe it might be there on the 15th time. Most men ain't... Gary Linekas said the same thing. Gary Linekas, but yeah, I've heard him speak about like...

3:11He was a goal scorer. ...running a poacher and stuff like that. So, yeah, and you're not playing against average defenders, by the way. Yeah, he's 40, but he's playing against people that are like, either in their prime or their international defenders. Wait, his last two goals at international level was against Spain, the European champions and Germany, a force in football. Yeah. Like, he ain't, oh, he's in Saudi. Mate, he's still banging. And he's playing in Saudi, yeah. Like, people keep going, oh, Saudis, this, Saudis, that. There's players that have won the Euros. There's international players that are coming back to Europe like Ivan Toni and playing for the national teams.

3:45Like, people look at Ronaldo like it's different. I don't understand. Like, it's, you've got to enjoy it. Do you know another thing I wanted to say to you as well? Go on. I've obviously been a bit more swayed and talked about Ronaldo much more. I always tell you. Out of Messi and Ronaldo, yeah? Yeah. But that's because I played with him and there's a bit of bias there. Yeah. Because that's just natural, yeah? You see who you're familiar with, isn't it? Oh, mate. Mate, to sit there and go, wow, I'm witnessing Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. I've played against and with these guys I am lucky and we're in a period where they're still playing now yeah just enjoy them when I see them and say oh you're lucky you can't call these two classic guys lucky just enjoy them over there your famous meme just enjoy them just enjoy them do you know what's crazy bro they put that with everything you know that but Aaron was saying another thing right what did Aaron say he said Aaron said okay he can understand that Ronaldo should still be playing, but he thinks he should be coming on more as an impact sub.

4:53And he reckons Martinez, he goes, he needs to just let it go. But, and I hear what he's saying, like he reckons he should be coming on 65, 70 minutes. And then he just, you know what I mean? Gives it the relentless Ronaldo, like for the rest of the game. But at the same time, my argument is, I hear what you're saying, but who else are their strikers? You got flipping Gonzalo, who he's not even getting minutes for PSG like that, really. You know what I mean? Or is it the fact that the way he was putting it is that Ronaldo's blocking the way for the next generation to come through? If they had a superstar or a big boy number nine in the background, like you say, the number nine in the background.

5:34We thought Ramos was going to be that guy. He's not. Ramos isn't that guy. He's sub for PSG. But at the same time, he's got two in two against Germany and Spain. One in the final, I don't understand it. So he's still doing it. He's got 40-something goals this year, you know. This season, he's got 40-something goals. He told me himself, he's aged. This guy is going to be 42 at the World Cup. Science has told us with history that you can't keep continuing to do what they're doing. But he's defying it at the moment, right? but I would I would play him certain amount of minutes per games there's no way he can play 90 and finish the tournament and still be strong I would allocate certain games yeah you're going to come on for this one you're going to start this one but I know he's going to score so I would do that but I wouldn't be doing it from a point of view going he ain't good enough and he's not right and he's holding the team back no man played a part in Mendes' goal yeah right before the assist he was probably the best player by the way Mendes and then we'll get on to him in a minute right because he's a joke and he scores the goal and I'm seeing people tell me it's luck it ain't do you know what's incredible about him I'm not going to lie I was calling for his time was up like I'm not going to sit here and lie when we was at the Euros last year and I think sorry I keep seeing people say oh all he scores is tappings now tappings ain't a bad thing tappings are goals sorry no I agree with that and I think people scoring goals are scoring goals and I don't think anything should be playing down so I definitely hear that but it was good to see him win the Nations League because, well that's his second Nations League, right?

7:06Because if you look at his last two tournaments, it wasn't good. Do you know what I mean? Like Euros, we can argue. When I saw my man shooting from the halfway like that, it was bad. And obviously, the World Cup, it hasn't been good. But the fact that he's so relentless and he's back to lead the line for his team, like, I thought he was done a long time ago. That's what I'm saying. You've got so many naysayers, yeah? The guy's resilience alone when he's got it all. He's got all of the accolades God could send, got all the money God can send you getting criticised and he's still saying this I'll keep using that as fuel and I'll come out and I'll prove you's wrong again and he again wins the Nations League you've got to remember before when Cristiano played for Portugal how many trophies did they win?

7:48Zero Zero Zilch with a good team by the way with teams they've had good teams Eusebio's etc and then all of a sudden Cristiano comes along and they not only him alone by the way it's been a good generation of players as well but he's been the actual standout that's carried them a lot of the time then all of a sudden in his time they've won three national international trophies it's ridiculous that's why that's why when you go when you go Portugal and you see them talk about you've got to remember it's around a 10 million population to do what he's done from that country the most popular man on social media most popular man walking this earth at the moment to win what he's done the impact that he's done had when you go to that country and you see the people the way they treat this guy.

8:32It is like God and Cristiano are sitting side by side. No way. Like that? Bro, it's like... I've never seen his effect in Portugal. Not a lot of people have. We usually see other players like Drogba. We know he's the king of Africa. Ivory Coast, to be specific. Obviously, Messi in Argentina. Have you been to Portugal with him during that? Yeah. Really? Crazy, man. It's like they're seeing a ghost walk past. No way. Like that grown man, grown woman, like it's like, it's just different. I don't know what like, he's had the craziest impact. And the thing is as well, he invests his money back in the country as well.

9:12Like big companies and stuff like that. So he's a patriot. And that's why it goes back to the point I was coming to. That's why when you see his tears, this is a patriotic guy, you know, like he's all for Portugal. He said the other day he's won so many trophies in his life, but when he wins it for Portugal, it's different. Wow. Right, man, we got loads still to come, we're out on this pod, but we'll be back shortly after this.

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11:30Do you think Lamin respects other players enough the way he should? Because on social media, since that final, he has been getting torn to pieces because of his confidence, because of how he spoke. Before that game, everybody loved it. You know, the France game when he played against Dembele, when he said, we'll see Ballon d 'Or on Thursday. and then obviously he produces like mad crazy. But then after that, after the Portugal game, it's like the fans just turned on him. Do you know what it is? Laminio Mare has been my favourite player to watch this year. He's given me the best moment in a game, 45 minutes that I've had in years when I watched him against Inter Milan in the semi-final in Barcelona.

12:08And he's been ridiculous. He does it with a swagger and a confidence that we only really normally see and a belief in American sports. It's only American sports stars that we see go, yeah, I am the guy. I am that guy, that anti-Edwards now in the NBA is saying, I am the guy. Love him. But when you do that, everyone loves it. Yeah? At the time when things are going well, when you're flying, when the tricks are coming off, when you're beating people, you're scoring, your team's winning. The moment you have a lapse or a little fall off, that character, that personality that everyone loved, everyone starts now trying to pick away and chip at it and drag it.

12:46And that's what they're doing to Laminia Mal now because there's a lot of people that are going, yeah, yeah, he's good, but they're saying it reluctantly because they don't like the brashness. They don't like that he's confident. They don't like that he's doing his hair and he's just dancing. Wearing his hat backwards. Wearing two sunglasses when he won it. He didn't shake the person's hand right when he received the medal and trophy before because it didn't suit the etiquette that you think he should be doing it. This is his time. This is his era. He's young. They're different to us. They dance.

13:12They embrace it. But people don't like it. So then people that don't like that and are stuck in an old way, As soon as he has a moment where they can drag him, they're on it. And all them people there need to check themselves and sit themselves down and shut up. Let these young people breathe, man. I find it difficult and hard at times to accept the new way. But this kid is doing stuff we've never seen before. He's producing, basically. It's different when you're not producing. He's had one bad game. The guy's been producing the whole... I'm talking about the whole year. Last year at the Euros, like...

13:47Mate, he's actually scored in the semi-final of the European Championships, Champions League and Nations League, scoring twice the other day against France. The kid is delivering on the top shelf, right? No 17-year-old ever that I've ever seen has ever done this. That's my question to you, though. At 17, is Laminia Mal better than Cristiano Ronaldo? Laminia Mal is better than Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi at 17-year-old. his potential or ceiling them two might be better yeah because they've gone and produced it yeah but what I'm talking about body of work at 17 years old no one's done it Pele maybe I didn't see Pele yeah but this guy is doing stuff so we're meant to be sitting there going he's had one bad game by the way in a big game every big game we've seen him play the guy's produced plays against Horshaw the other day in the final doesn't play well the left back locks him up by this left back Like, Akon locked up.

14:45Everyone. Everyone. I see the post on Rio Pernanon presents. I told them to put it out. Saka, top, locked up. Salah, top, locked up. Lamin-Yamao, top, locked up. Nuno Mendes is going around with handcuffs in games and saying, stick with me in my pocket. Don't move. Yeah. It's a joke. He's been. And the funny thing is... Have we seen a left back have that many assignments with the top, top, top players and deliver like this? I don't think so. And you're only mentioning this season. People forget he was a superstar at the Euros last year, by the way. Oh yeah, but don't forget last year when Sancho was at Dortmund.

15:26Sancho fed him a beating. Yeah, yeah. He worked him, he worked him. But that happens. That's what I'm saying. But what I like is that I've come back from that. No one can chat to me now. Put Sancho on a plate in front of me now. He would, back himself to eat him. He's the best, man. And it's not to say those other players are not good. Obviously, like you said, they might have had off days, but I think he surprises people. And I was watching the PSG celebrations and, you know, when they came out from the Champions League at the stadium, Stade de Paris, he, the fans love him. Like, they really appreciate him.

15:59Because his effort, you can see his effort in the game and with and without the ball, by the way. He's good with the ball as well. You know what? There's fullbacks. This is, there's not many fullbacks that I've ever seen let alone playing today that run with the same intensity forward as they do back normally they're running forward with all the intensity and the energy but running back you're having to shout at them Patrice everyone like me for saying it Nemanja Vidic used to kill him used to be on his bum constantly and he used to get frustrated and Vida would come to me and go oh what's going on talk to him for me please because I used to argue sometimes and I'd say Pat man just run back quicker man come on all right cool cool so that's what it was about because I've heard Rooney talk about this because Pat would sprint forward Pat was a madman between the boxes unreal then running back we've got Aaron Lennon running this way or someone running this way and Vida's going Patrice get back where are you and Patrice is just jogging back like this because he's done a good bit of work going forward but not all the time but like every now and again and that one time is a time Nemanja Vedic is going I needed you there and I've had to do a madness defended it clean it up you don't get exposed or not cleaning it up I'm having to overexpose myself got you so that's but this kid he runs wait wait wait how did they squash all of that because you know what what ended it is when David Moyes was there so at the end no way so this was even during that's the good thing about Fergie by the way he didn't care whether you got on or not he just wanted the job done they didn't not get on but I know Nemanja was like listen man you need to I want more from him because I'm having to do too much right and Patrice is like but But Patrice's thing is, you can deal with that.

17:38Which I think both have got an element of being right, yeah? But we had a meeting with Moyes about something. And Nemanja was going, I don't agree with that, with David Moyes. No, no, picking up that on it. And I was going, no, no, no, same, same, no, no. What are you talking about? Don't agree with the manager. Stopping the tape, et cetera. Then you know what Patrice is like? He was like, oh, come on, guys. We're going to be here all this time. bruv Nemanja's head flipped he was like that was the moment yeah he thought listen I've protected you for all these years he says my back my legs my injuries I've been carrying right don't you dare start talking like that when we're just sorting stuff out and we're struggling at the moment with a new manager and they had to be pulled apart oh really yeah so it got so far that that's where it calmed down yeah and then it was just like you know what it was like Nemanja's got it off his chest we're cool now probably yeah but but I'd love to talk to them about it together.

18:34If we get them on the pod together, it'd be funny. I think that's the next one because you did well getting, was it Berber? Berber and Vida. Yeah. And Van de Sar. That was really good. Really, really good. No, that's really good. And for everybody watching, I want you to get involved, all right? Because the channel is going to get ramped up this summer. You think, oh, it's the end of the season. No, no, no. We've got the content flying. We've got interviews. We've got throwback content. We want to get you guys involved. we've got Q &A episodes coming up as well right yeah a load of them so looking forward to it man let's go listen make sure you follow the socials as well because I know this is ramping up as well since the end of the season so please make sure you like share comment and subscribe Joel Baer Rio Ferdinand Rio Reacts we will be back soon peace

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From the publisher

Welcome to Rio Reacts, where Rio Ferdinand gives his raw, unfiltered reactions to the stories that get your WhatsApp groups buzzing!


This episode, Rio's talking about two generational talents:


🔥 Cristiano Ronaldo's Unbelievable Career: 938 career goals?! Rio breaks down Ronaldo's insane international record (138 goals!) and Portugal's transformation with him. Can he reach 1000 goals?


🌟 Lamine Yamal vs. Young Ronaldo: At just 17, Yamal has already won the Euros, two La Liga titles, and the Copa del Rey! Rio asks: who was better at 17, Ronaldo or Yamal? We compare their stats and early achievements.


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