Joao Pedro: Cole Palmer would start for Brazil | Why Neymar is an idol to me and my Mum

0:00I said to him before, I didn't think you were that good. And he looked at me, I said, yeah, but now because I play with him, yeah, he's different. Could he come to the Brazil squad and be good in the Brazil squad? I said to him, why you don't come to Brazil? The number 10 there, no problem. Because in Brazil, you don't have this guy. Yeah, welcome to Rio meets We're just getting set up in there for a Brazilian striker to come and chill with me in this Airbnb After performing in the iconic Maracanã, Jao Pedro is here to talk about all the things I love Skill, flair, the samba. These are the players I love talking to.

0:44Great backstories. Come on, let's go

0:51Jao, how you doing man? Good to see you. You're on the English river. Yeah How are you doing? Yeah, we're good. Good to see you, man. So how are you keeping busy now? When you're finished training, what are you doing? Sometimes we have like a mid-staff. And also I do physio at home. At home? Yeah. Everyone's doing this. So you've got your physio come to your house? Busy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have physio at home. So I try to do every day to see what I need to recover. Hmm. Oh, good. to be able to play in the weekend. Is this massively important? Because in basketball, LeBron James does this, Cristiano does this.

1:31Is this like big inspirations maybe that you do this? Yeah, of course. Like we see how Ronaldo take care of his body. And when I was growing up, my agent also told me like, hey, Joao, I think you need, when you step to, when you do the next step, go to England, you need to look more to yourself, be ready because, because, you know, England is very physical. So, yeah, I think it's very important for me to do my stuff every day, to be ready for the games. Well, let me take you back to Brazil, where you obviously grew up, where you're born. I loved Brazilian football, man, when I was young. Like, skills, the flair.

2:11But what was it that got you into football? My father used to play football before. Striker? No, number six. Yeah, yeah. So I think from my father and my mum, they put this in my head, you know. So since I was four, I started to play football. I remember when I was in my grandmother's house, I played football in the street. So I think in Brazil, every young kid wants to be a footballer. So you started as a number six like that or a striker? No, I started in front wing, left wing because Neymar. Everyone wanted to be Neymar your age. Everyone wanted to be a Neymar, but now I'm tall and yeah, I still can dribble, but I had a few times I played at six, eight, ten and now I'm a striker.

3:12Wow, so you played everywhere. Yeah. And you had a big moment in your career because you moved from Botafogo to Fluminense. Yeah, I was playing Botafogo from my city, Ribeirão Preto. And when I was 10 to 11 years old, I moved to Rio and I started to play for Fluminense. Is that a big change for you as a young kid? Because Rio is dangerous. And when you leave another city, on TV just show bad things from the other city, you know, in Brazil like this. For velas. Yeah. Yeah. So when I moved from São Paulo to Rio, I was a little bit scared. My mom, she. Quick of her job and she just followed my dream.

3:58So I knew I had a lot of pressure on me, but also I believe a lot on me. So I knew was a great opportunity for me to to make my dreams come true. What was the pressure? Was the pressure to provide for your family? Was this a big thing for you? Because for me, this was a big thing for me when I was a kid. You know, you want to see your mum and dad family in different situations. So in Brazil, I think the more easy way to change that is football. So, you know, football is very hard to achieve the level. To be a footballer, to play in Brazil, have a lot of talent. So, how I could make the attention to be on me, you know?

4:54I'm the next one to achieve. So, it's difficult in Brazil. When was the moment in your life that you thought, hmm, I can help change everything for my family now? When I make, I think, 15 years old, I start to see people near to me make that step. So I say, wow, I think the time is going to arrive soon, so I need to do something. And the next year, we had a tournament and I think three games before this tournament, I was playing midfielder and left wing. And one of the coaches came to me and said, hey, João, I think you should play striker. I said, nah. Not me. I like to play with the ball. I like to dribble.

5:48Joga bonito. And yeah, but he said, no, no, no, I'm going to change you. I was angry. Yeah. Wow. How long did it take you to accept? I think a few months because I used to play a lot. The guy who controlled the game, you know, midfielder who controlled the game. And yeah, when I started to play, three games I scored 15 goals. So five, five, five. I said, wow, I didn't score that much a year, a long time. and then after these three games I went to the tournament like is a small tournament in Brazil where come every big teams you know like Santos, Fluminense, Flamengo and then in that tournament I was top score I lost in the final because the guy scored one goal more than me.

6:55And at that time Watford came and spoke with my agent. So when my agent called me and said, hey, Watford want to buy you. I said... Yeah, but at this time I saw that Man City was interested in Watford. No disrespect, but these teams are here. No, yeah, but my agent talked to me and say, like, look, you can go straight to the big stage, but they're going to alone you, or you can build, get minutes. And I say, if I go to another country, I want to play. And there, I'm going to make people look at me in a different way. So that's why I chose Watford. I was in the Premier League at the time. Yeah, yeah.

7:50And I said, let's go. And I went. This match was obviously Richarlson, I've seen it was a big influence on you. He'd won to Watford as well. Yeah. He was a few years ahead of you, obviously, at Fluminense in Brazil. But how much did his pathway add to your decision and ambition? Yeah, of course. Because when you look at someone who came from the same spot, like Fluminense, and went to watch for it and make the next step, you say, well, the opportunity came to me. I need to do, I need to make the same like Richard did, you know. I will try my best to achieve the same level. because I think at that time was the light in the end of the tunnel for me.

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9:17I think it's important. I think always to have somebody to look at. What's Richarlson like as a person? Because we don't get to hear him talk much in England. Richarlson, he's on the pitch. He's a completely different guy. Because some of the opposition fans, they hate him. They don't like him. Yeah, he hit you, he say bad things to you. Yeah, trust me. I had this experience with him. But in Brazil, when you're together in the national team, he's completely different. Like, he make jokes, he stay near to you. You know, in the pitch have players like this. For example, Kukureya, he don't talk. like in like few minutes before the game he's quiet but every day he joke is it?

10:06yeah he joke every day he don't I think his life is different world yeah every time he wants to make a joke is it? yeah but on the pitch he kick he don't care he just wants to win the game yeah I like him just back to Fluminese and Watford when you left Fluminese It was before you even played in the first team you agreed to go what? No, yeah. It was before. This is brave, man. I was 16 to 17. And then, yeah. And then I went to first team when I was 17. Was this the desire to really support your family? One of the main reasons as well? Yeah, of course. When I had the opportunity, because my dream always was to play here in Premier League.

10:52Was it? Yeah. I said, my agent, Ken said. because the league here I think is the best league in the world. I used to watch you, the guys playing here, and say, wow, crazy. The level's too high. So when I had the opportunity to come to the Premier League, I didn't think that much, to be fair. Yeah. I just see the opportunity I take. So one of my friends was there when you were there at Watford, Tom Cleverley. Top guy. What was he like with you? Cleves? No, because in the beginning it was difficult because my English was terrible. But he always tried to help me. He's a leader. You know that. And he helped me a lot.

11:41We keep in touch sometimes and we talk to each other. He's a very good guy. How does a young kid from Brazil prepare to land here in the UK in the Premier League? Like my last few months in Brazil, I tried to learn some words, but it's still too hard. You have to watch videos or listen to music. Yeah, but it's too hard because they're used to talk in English. And we play Wednesday, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday. And Brazil is big, massive. So sometimes I play Saturday and I went straight to the next game. I didn't come back home to do it. You're flying away. So my first day here when I land was too cold.

12:34It was too cold, freezing. And then I didn't speak English. Zero, nothing. Nothing. I think this is normal. This is normal for a foreign player. arrives in England. And you know what, I think a lot of the English players, we don't appreciate the troubles and the hardships that when the foreign player comes here, they have with the language, with family coming in. I think that's, I read that it's important, that's why you brought maybe your grandmother, your mum and one of your best friends. Yeah, my best friend came to me as well. How important were each of those people coming with you? Yeah, it was very important because when I arrived here in England, it was near to Christmas.

13:15So imagine, away from home, and alone will be difficult. What are the most difficult things? Because I think it's important because we get a lot of young people that watch and young footballers that aspire to play in different places and countries. What are the most difficult things when you move to a new country? Like first, to communicate was very difficult and I think in football the game was too fast, the pitch so good. So the ball flying. I say, wow. The speed of the game. Physical. I remember my first game when I start to run, when I start to breathe, like it was too dry. I say, wow, completely different.

14:04So this is more things. It was difficult, but after I'm adapting quickly. Let's talk about you as a player and as an attacking player. This is the stuff I love to talk about. What would you say is your super strength? If someone said to you the best part of your game, what is it? The best part. Can I tell you what I think and you tell me what you think? I think your best, I'm thinking if I'm playing against you, what I think is the hardest thing would be to play against you. Your movement, when the game is happening, your movement to separate from me will make it difficult. and then your ability to move.

14:43I think it's technical. I'm a very technical player. I can use both feet. But this is true because look how big you are. Imagine if I stay near to you, you're going to be... Agnabee, Agnabee. It would be tough. So, yeah, this is a very good point because if you watch me in the game, sometimes if I don't get the ball, I don't stay in the same spot and move. I need to find a way to change the game. And yeah, because I used to play as a team, so sometimes I can help the team in different positions. I like freedom, you know. Who is that player from before you would say is similar? Similar, I'll always say like Curry Kane,

15:34Lewandowski, and who else?

15:40Aguero, let's say. Freedom to move a bit, so you're not just number nine on your own. And this is a conversation that happens a lot now, the modern game. The modern game, very structured, tactical, you stay, you stay. Do you get the freedom to be who you want to be in the game today? Yeah, now, yeah. But sometimes you get some coach who want you to know, you need to stay there, run first post, run first post. But sometimes the ball don't come to the first post and how I'm going to get goals. So I need to find, to smell where the ball is going to come. I have to be there. So today I feel freedom.

16:24I feel able to do what I like to do. And I think now people can see I'm not just the guy who stayed there and tapping. I can make something different. You remind me of someone when I've watched you through the years and listened to people like Cleves talk about you and you love to touch the ball. Like you've said already, I just want touches of the ball, I want to control the game sometimes. Christiano, I've seen you say is a player you respect and hold in high regard. He went from like a wide man entertainer to a number nine killer. Do you see that being maybe the way that your career is going to go like this?

17:05I think if you have, for example, now I'm in Chelsea, I have Cole Palma and Enzo Fernandes. I don't need to drop that much. So if you watch me now, I don't drop that much, but sometimes I drop to help them. And then if you have two key players in the middle, why are you going to be the third guy? So now I try to be more attacking the space and be ready for receiving the pass to get 1v1 beat my men and score. I think if you have a great support behind wingers as well, you don't need to be in the game that much. Right, man, we've got loads still to come on this pod, but we'll be back shortly after this.

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19:07You just mentioned Cole Palmer. What would you say when you talk about Cole Palmer as the first thing that comes to mind with him? He's very intelligent. He's magic. Like I said to him before, I didn't think you were that good. And he looked at me. I said, yeah, but now because I play with him, yeah, he's different. Is he, yeah? Yeah. Wow. Could he come to the Brazil squad and be good in the Brazil squad? I said to him, why you don't come to Brazil with the number 10 there mate, no problem. Because in Brazil we don't have this guy. Yeah. If you watch us, we play 4-2-4. Yeah, it's true. We don't have a number 10.

19:52Quick wingers. Two in the middle to build up. You also don't have a nine, like a model. Both drop to support. So, yeah, Cole is a different guy. Sometimes he's quiet, but then one second, he changes the game. So he's very good. Your number, I like relationships in the game. What's your relationship like? Are you telling him what you want? Give me the ball like this? Do you communicate like this? Yeah, like in the training, the other day he said, hey, João, when I receive the ball here, move to the side because he want angle, because he left foot and I'm right. So it's perfect because he's going to cut inside, I'm going to open.

20:44And if he finds the ball to me, the ball is going to be on my right foot. I just... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you get training, you do a lot of combinations. So you're doing training, you're working. That's what I love to hear, man. Yeah. I like that. And it sounds like Bruno Fernandes. We had him on the show and he was talking about details like this, where he wants the ball, how he wants the ball. Because in the game, it's very quick. You don't have the time to think, to talk that much. So you need to prepare for the game just like this. Talking about your teammates, Rhys James, he's the captain. Yeah.

21:16Yeah. What's his best leadership qualities that he has? His mentality. He never gives up. Never. And also he gives the confidence to everyone. Like with me, if I don't score one game, mate, he comes to me and says, Joao, bro, you need to score. Hey, next game make sure you score. Say, okay, okay. He's not a shouter, but he will talk to you like... Sometimes he can be, because it's normal. Football gets emotion. So sometimes he gets pissed off, but he's more quiet. He leads us with more mentality, show, you know? He runs, he fights. Him, where do you say him is in the best right-backs in the world?

22:08I think Hakimi is the best in the world now. Right now it's Hakimi. But I think Rhys is the next one. Yeah. I think if Rhys get more consistent, fit, he's going to be the number one. 100%. Because Hakim is more running, but Rhys is more complete. He defends, he attacks. I don't know. I look at Rhys, I think out of all the right-backs over the last few years, he's the one who has more of everything. Yeah. Like you say, he can run, he can take free kicks, corners, he can pass 30-40 yards, he can be quick enough to run and he can defend 1v1 as well. Very good. I like him man. I think he could be the best.

22:54Against me, he suffered a bit in the training. But you take him. Yeah. You have him, you have him. Yeah, yeah, he know that. He's going to watch, he know that. No, but he's very good. I always used to love the battles in training. You want to go against the best players. We had to have Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez. Every day is hard, but I used to love the challenge. Who is it you're battling with? Kukurela? Kuku as well. He must be hard as well. Yeah, he kick me every time. Like a little rat? Who is the... Yeah. Isn't it? Like... Moises. But I think the guy I like always to play against is Moises. Can I say that?

23:40He's strong, man. Yeah, he's strong. He makes my life difficult in the training. But I like it because he said to me, I like to play against good players. So, yeah, come, come. One more, I'll meet you. I like that. That's what it's about. That's what it's about. Let's talk about Brazil. I can't sit next to you. The World Cup, Brazilian. Everybody's second team is Brazil. When I'm young, England, England, but then if Brazil is playing, immediately. Everyone watches. So, obviously you always had the ambition of putting on the yellow shirt, but what is the pressure like to play for Brazil? Yeah, it's massive because, like I said, Brazil is too big.

24:23So every kid wants to be a footballer. Everyone who could make watching you and going to criticise you. So I think it's normal. You have five World Cups, jogger bonito. So the pressure on us is going to be massive always. But I think this group now, we have a strong mentality. We try to don't focus that much on what people talk outside. Try to focus on us, what you can do. And hopefully we can win the World Cup. Is Carlo Ancelotti a big influence on the media? On how you deal with them? What's he been saying to you guys? Has he helped you in that sense? Yeah, of course. He said he don't want one guy, he wants the group.

25:20because he thinks the group have more power than one guy. And yeah, I think with him there, when he talked, people listened because he won everything. And with the players, he tried to build relationship with everyone. He tells you what he wants to do, but also give the freedom for you to play your football, to enjoy. So I think he's very good for the team. So it's not about having a star then? It's not about like Vinicius being the star? No. Or if Neymar goes? He wants a group. Of course, Vinicius is going to be the guy. But for Vinicius to be the guy, he needs the team. so he don't want to say if you don't win it's your fault no no no the group need to to look in the same way to think the same way because and then gonna see Vinicius gonna see Rafinha yeah if the group is playing well and the group is together the individuals can perform yeah yeah it's true it's true that's the perfect way to look at it but how good is he Vinicius?

26:44we have at the same age. So when I was young, I used to play, for example, nine and him 11. So I play the game, get a shower, change quickly to watch. His game? Wow, crazy. Too quick. He talk with the, like, against the guy. He say, hey, you need to put two players because they're gonna stop me. This is from young. So he's always done this? Because people don't like it now, they see it. But he's always done it? Always like this. Always. He's called Celebrate Dance from young. So this is normal when I see on TV. This is normal for him as well. Yeah, this is normal. He's just brilliant. The other guy I had the opportunity to play was Rodrigo.

27:37Oh, I love him. The same age. I love this guy. He's so good. I love him. I think he's a big miss for you. He's injured for the World Cup. I think him is a big loss. Yeah, he's different in the training between two and three. Everyone, wow. How? Because everyone in Brazil is top player. So how he's able to dribble three, four? If I try to do that, someone's going to come and bang! Yeah, yeah. And the big games he scores, this guy. I love him. What about, obviously, there's a lot of news around Neymar. Do you think he should go? If you're the manager, I asked Casemiro this the other day, I said if you're the manager, would you take Neymar?

28:20I think Neymar is the same like Messi for Argentina. He's the idol of basically everyone in Brazil. Of course, Casemiro has a different view because they have the same age, but he knows like Neymar is different he get his peak and of course now he's no feet and stuff but I think if he's good he he can be he can be Neymar did you grow up watching him on youtube yeah so when you watch someone on youtube and you're your idol and you're going to the to the training the ground with Brazil and he's there what's it like? It must be a little bit like... I didn't have the opportunity to train with him yet but I met him in Vinicius party once.

29:18Good party? Yeah.

29:22In Rio. Next time invite me. Yeah for sure. He texts me, hey João come. I looked to my phone and I said, no way. And I went. Was Neymar, Marcelo, Medina from surf. And I saw them there, like private area. I was going to the toilet and someone touched my shoulder. And I look, was Marcelo. He said, hey, João, how are you? I said, wow. I didn't know Marcelo knew me. No way. Yeah. And you're straight in? You're straight in the private area? I stayed there with them. When Neymar came to me, they were like, just look. I said, wow, it's him. My mum grabbed me here, said I need to talk to him. No. Yeah, my mum was a big fan as well.

30:15Wow. People don't realise the power, like how much the people love Neymar. Yeah. Like, I think sometimes you get disrespected by some people. because I think he's like the influence and impact. I don't know if there's many, like Ronaldinho and Neymar. Yeah. The impact. But I think because he's still playing and we know he don't play at that level from Barcelona anymore because it's difficult. But in Brazil, people talk about him every day. New news every day. Every day is Neymar. So imagine his head. But I think he's used to it. Yeah, now he's… Like Neymar, he embodies the values of all Brazilian football.

31:03Nutmegs, showboat, skills, Jogo Benito. But I don't know, man. I think if he goes, I think he gives you guys a different lift to squad. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, of course. I think everyone, if he's there, we know he's the last one. Yeah. So imagine if you win and he's there, it's going to be different for sure. But if he's not, you need to do 100 % as well to bring back to Brazil because a long time you don't win the World Cup. Just on changing to Casemiro, he's leaving Man United obviously, but he's obviously the captain. What's he like? What's the importance of Casemiro in the Brazil national team?

31:56For example, with me, I have a good relationship with him. He says, João, I don't care. Just play. I will look to you every time. You have one game in Brazil against Chile and then he passed once, I dribble. He passed twice, I dribble. The third time I was tired because he passed to me every time and then I didn't get the ball and he said, hey João, I told you, be ready. I said, Kaze, I'm tired. He said, no, no, no. So yeah, it's good to, because he won everything. Everyone in the world, he respect him because he's a great footballer. So to have one player like like this near to you to help you is very good.

32:52As a young kid, the first day walking into the training ground with Brazil, like who was there? What's that like for you as a young kid? Because I think when I went to England, it's intimidating sometimes. Who's there? Who's going to speak to me? Yeah, the first day in Brazil is tough because you have a small prank there. like you need to go up to the chair, sing, to say your name. If it's not good, they say, hey, come down. Up, down. So the first days is obviously like you get more nervous. But now because I think it's going to be two years I'm in the squad, when I see someone for the first time there, I laugh a lot because I know how his head is going.

33:47But yeah, the first time I went there, I was very excited to meet the senior players because I just used to see them on FIFA. And yeah, it was very good, but also I was very nervous because the pressure there is different. And just obviously staying on Brazil, What are your memories of watching Brazil when you grew up? Who are the players? What are the moments? I remember to watch, of course, Neymar, the Wurwuzela, everyone in the street. Because World Cup in Brazil, I don't know how it's here in England, but in Brazil it's more... It's like everyone watches, everyone is excited, everyone in the street.

34:35The street is the colour of Brazil's shirt. they make music for the players so it's like culture you know so you when you grow up and you see this and now we have the chance to play for that you get very excited to to to to win because you know if we if you win the world cup in brazil you're gonna be a legend for forever It's true. I mean, I played against the last team that won in 2002 in Japan, and this team was crazy. Like, Cafu the captain right-back, Carlos left-back, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, R9. Like, it was like crazy. But these guys are like gods. It's true what you said. If you win, it changes your life forever.

35:23Everyone talks about you. People are going to respect you like a king. Can you change it this year? Can you change this? Hopefully. Hopefully you have a great chance. I think if you watch our squad, Cunha play for United, Rafinha, Barcelona, Vini, Madrid, I play for Chelsea, Henrik, now he start to play more in Lyon, Igo Thiago, Martinelli, Arsenal. All in big clubs. Everyone in the big clubs. Everyone have a good moment. So I think you have a great opportunity to win the competition. Just to finish, we compared all of these great players I've been talking about, we talked about you. What's it like playing against Messi?

36:20How good is he? I had one game in Maracana and I remember like everyone talk about Brazil, Argentina and because Neymar wasn't there and Messi, he gonna play the game and you saw the squad and say, wow, we need to be careful with him because if he get the ball near to the area, problems and like he don't drop he stay there the team run for him but every ball they getting back they pass to Messi and just like for example Rodrigo de Paul and Enzo just stay like supporters. So like, you know, he moves and they come. It's like, how you say, magic. I don't know. It's crazy. They're playing for him.

37:26Yeah. So the players are there to make his life more easy, you know, and he's messy. Top. Top. Different. It's difficult to explain him. He's not tall, he don't look strong, but he holds players. You try to get the ball, no one can... It's difficult. Listen man, to finish off, we do a five-a-side team. The best players that you played with. No goalkeepers. No goalkeepers. They're not footballers. I think Marquinhos, Casemiro, Vinny. Vinny, yeah. Who was it, hold on? I need to put someone from Chelsea now, if not they're going to kill me. Enzo. Enzo, yeah. Top player, yeah. What's good about Enzo?

38:36He doesn't talk, but the way he pushes you, the way he thinks, he thinks he's the best. So that's why I like him. Mentality. His mentality, I'm the best. Doesn't mean against who he plays, he always thinks he's the best. So the confidence he has on himself is very good. But... Marquinhos, Casemiro, Vinicius, Enzo, Rhys James. Rhys James, nice. It's a strong team, man. I like that. We'll compare it against other teams. I like that team. Good balance. Good balance. Well, listen, man. Good luck for the World Cup. And if England don't win, Brazil is my second team. You're going to beat England in the quarter-finals.

39:27Oh my God, what's going on there? Thank you.

40:10Hey, Pablo Torre here. As a sports journalist, I've covered global sports for many years now. And there is one thing that I can promise you. Nothing compares to the World Cup. And this time it is even better thanks to McDonald's. You have the chance to take home one of nine legendary cups when you order the FIFA World Cup meal. The cups feature some of the biggest legends in football, like David Beckham, Terry Henry, and Ronaldinho, Christian Pulisic, Lamine Yamal, and Alphonso Davies. Right now, get one of nine legendary cups when you order the FIFA World Cup meal only at McDonald's. At participating McDonald's, only for a limited time, while supplies last.

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