


6 Jul 2026 · 18m · 12 chapters

The episode is a Real Reactions discussion of England’s 3-2 World Cup win over Mexico and the fallout from Jude Bellingham’s “Crumble” comments. Guests argue Bellingham’s maturity and impact (4 goals, 1 assist, five goal involvements in five games) contradict claims he shouldn’t even be on the plane, citing journalist Craig Hope as the critic. They praise Gareth Southgate’s squad togetherness and Thomas Tuchel’s tactical adjustments, especially after hydration breaks and substitutions when England went down to 10 men (e.g., Dan Burn, Jed Spence, Anthony Gordon, and Jed Spence’s defensive role vs crosses). They also debate Article 27 changing red-card suspensions, mentioning Flo Balogun and comparing to Cristiano Ronaldo.
Jolion Lescott (former England/Man City defender), Rio Ferdinand (former England/Man United defender), and Joel B. (podcast host/analyst).
Mexico’s altitude/fireworks/press, England’s long-ball tactic early, and Jordan Henderson’s injury incident.
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Discussion about England's recent win against Mexico and Jude Bellingham's performance.
“Have you been putting off that annual doctor's appointment because you don't want to make the call?”
Discussion about England's recent win against Mexico and Jude Bellingham's performance.
“There ain't many better ways to take in the World Cup with people you want to be around.”
Hosts critique journalists who doubted Jude's selection for the squad.
“So five goal involvements in five games.”
Discussion on Jude's maturity and performance under pressure in the World Cup.
Analysis of the coaching decisions made during the Mexico match.
“Don't ever, that can't be a question mark then because...”
Discussion on different coaching styles and their impact on players.
“Who was the best at that with the two of you when you played?”
Discussion on the camaraderie within the England team and a recent incident involving Jordan Henderson.
“So it was kind of, that was again, underwhelming for the name.”
Explore the camaraderie among players and their support for each other.
“There is a brotherhood that we're seeing now.”
Discussion around the implications and fairness of Balogun's red card appeal.
“It's definitely there, but I still believe that it had started prior to Thomas Tuchel.”
Analyze the criteria behind suspending players and the perceived biases.
Reflections on Brazil's decline and Norway's potential under Haaland.
“if let's just say there's another game to play.”
Teasing future interviews and encouraging listener engagement.
“They've only ever scored seven goals in the World Cup before this campaign.”

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1:29yes guys welcome to real reactions you know what i thought i pulled everyone in for a chat you know big games evening times ran the airbnb house what we got here in the beverly hills and the fire pit it's lovely this is nice what a great place to chill you know i mean jody they're still with us Yeah, I'm still here. Last night. This is the last night, isn't it? Yeah. Loving it. We've had a good time. But you know what? There ain't many better ways to take in the World Cup with people you want to be around. Mates, sitting there chilling just as you're kind of - I love the fire pit. The fire pit's sick, isn't it?
2:01I love it. It's true. And it's actually like nice heat from here as well. You know, some fire pits are a bit like, ugh, but I'm nice and warm, man. I'm liking it. Anyway, listen, it's all about the team and all about the vibes. England have beaten Mexico 3-2. The altitude. Altitude. Jude. My goodness. Wow. Rio, man, talk to us. You know, what's that for Jude now? Four goals, one assist in five games. So five goal involvements in five games. It's like ridiculous. It's crazy. And this is to think, by the way, that there were journalists writing articles saying that Jude shouldn't even be on the plane.
2:37No, name him. It's Craig Cope, isn't it? Yeah, I want him out. I don't even want him. He's not allowed to celebrate. he's not allowed to celebrate anything I saw in the comments Craig Hope is not celebrating you see Joni was just like he wrote in one I can't remember what post it is I just see Joni saying yeah he's not allowed to celebrate yeah he shouldn't be it's mad to think that he shouldn't even start he shouldn't even go that's what I mean even if you said I don't think he should start I'm disagreeing yeah but you're saying he's not even on the plane is mental I want a public apology fact do you know what's public apology needs to be as loud as the critique back page wasn't it it was a full back pay spread so it needs to be a full back pay spread minimum I chatted to Craig Hope and he's alright with me but with that one I can't defend that one it's a wild take I can't defend that one and you know what I think Jude's his whole demeanour since this World Cup started has been of maturity confidence self-aware though like as I said I've been spending time with him he's so aware of his importance as a footballer in the community what he can achieve who he is as a person and his responsibilities aren't enough to pitch like yeah he's crazy I just like the way that like he's carrying himself and I think there was probably a little bit of a petulant side to him maybe a bit more earlier or the last tournament maybe but I don't mind that still because I still think you need that needle and that little bit of firing in players what was it then 20?
4:05exactly so it's okay isn't it it's normal it's expected yeah exactly so but he's maturing at a rate that I don't think you see many other players do that and doing it in the glare with the public eye on the biggest stage there is going back to your man's article what was the reason behind it was it that he didn't have a great season at Madrid no it was no because it was a good season it was based on his petulance yeah he's out of shooting his impact in the squad yeah the negative impact he had on the squad allegedly assumptions yeah like or he's got probably I don't know he's been told by someone there's probably been one conversation that he's run with something and come up this whole narrative that not even on the plane yeah that's wild public apology please I'm saying that someone that writes writes like articles on football that said a talent of that level shouldn't be in the squad crazy and you know what's funny is if you hear his quote Jude he said in the years gone by watching as a kid as a fan England probably would have crumbled but we stuck together until the last moment can you imagine that.
5:13That's true though, that's facts he ain't talking rubbish, he's been a fan he's watched England teams disappoint him, probably as a young kid like he's gone to school going with all the other kids going, oh they've let us down and I was part of those, we were both part of those different squads at different times where it got to a crunch time we weren't able to get over the line and that game, Mexico in Mexico, in their backyard with all they had to contend with, altitude all the stuff at the hotel, the fireworks before the game etc they've gone there and dealt with them even with 10 men and the substitutions that Tuchel put on I think he has to be commended I think Jolion spoke about it before about the way that he impacts games with his substitutions in game I thought his substitutions were spot on in terms of right guys we've got to roll our sleeves up now we're down to 10 men and we're going to defend the box they want to cross the ball but are they going to have enough in there to blast us out of the way and big gamble it was a big gamble you've got to gamble no one's looking and thinking at one stage we're gonna have four set of halves on the pitch at any stage no one's no one's seen that before the tournament but it's four center halves no out ball yeah and it looked crazy because you know when he took off anderson people thinking what dan burn i was just thinking why is harry mcguire why is harry mcguire not here or you know saka coming off early it looked crazy but dan burn all these guys they had a great game they all put their bodies on the line anthony gordon jed spencer people people questioning where we should start i'm like that's put to bed I did.
6:41Yeah. Don't ever, that can't be a question mark then because... He had a good old time against that Mexican fullback, didn't he? Every time. Off the ball. Yeah. He pressed for the first goal or the second goal, was it? The penalty. Like, that game required that level of energy. And when it's like that, I said to Uri before, like, his mentality is like, Jude, like, he's aware that, oh, I can be a match, like a match winner, the difference maker in a different way to obviously Harry Kane and Jude. But his impact after ball, his willingness to run is crazy. Steve, you know, obviously you're mutual about this thing.
7:17When you look at... Most of the artists still have a clue, by the way. Even your celebrations on Rio Ferdinand present socials, yeah, it was hilarious. Everyone's excited. Or lack of... Steve just looked like a guest. Steve was on his phone? Yeah, Steve looked like a guest at someone's house first time round. You know, didn't want to do too much. But how simple do you see Tuchel's instructions to the players? I'm not sure simple would do it. justice to be honest because i think what i've noticed is following the hydration breaks you've seen a change in england's play in almost every game and he gets him in and he's pretty animated and he's pretty certain about what he wants i don't know what he's saying but i do see something comes out different of every single hydration break so i think he's using those moments to titivate and adapt to whatever he's seen in the first you know 22 and a half minutes every single game.
8:07Because I think you could go back and look at every single game and go, we didn't start great there. And then that changed. And then it'd be really interesting. I bet someone like Coach's Voice or someone like that's probably done a bit of analysis on what changed, whether it was positions, whether it was pass emphasis, whether it was, you know, area of the pitch that was looking. I mean, I don't know if it's me and you, I mean, and Jolene was talking at the start of the game where he was saying, you've got to just go long over the press because Mexico's press is massive in that first 10, 15 minutes.
8:34you know that's what they're going to try and do they're going to try and rattle you and I bet there was loads of people probably journalists fans everybody looking at Pickford just slinging it down the pitch for that first 10 minutes probably complaining but that's the exact right thing you needed to do to kill the tempo of that game I think also you've seen like you say he's very animated and he's like he's at people he's direct I think Nico O 'Reilly gave away he threw two throw-ins that went out of play and just weren't what he wanted it was onto him immediately and so there's no hiding places and everyone's accountable which I really like and like you've seen, I've seen him on the TV telling Jed Spence when he was coming on to make sure he stopped their crosses and obviously that was a big part of their game today.
9:14It wasn't really coming through the middle, it was all about crosses but though that information again is like as little and as simple as that may sound, sometimes in that big atmosphere and environment sometimes you go blank and you need that little bit of a this is what I want, quick simple information and he seems to be very good at doing that. Who was the best at that with the two of you when you played? I'll start with you, Jolion. Simple instruction. You felt like whatever this person is providing. Glenn Hardall. The best coach, manager I've worked under. Insane. The way he delivered the messages and I don't know if it was the age I was at, but the way he spoke about the game and spoke in detail about positions and players.
9:55Simplified. Where was this? As I was with him. He just made it so clear. And he made me think about my position differently, listening to speak to forwards. Like, well, when you're in this position, this is how you should think and dribble and do that. I was thinking, well, if forwards think that, I almost have to now think the opposite ways and just try and implement them things. So Glen Ardell was the guy, the voice. What about yourself, Rio? Hoddle was definitely one of them up there. Sir Alex Ferguson didn't really talk to you about tactics and stuff. He wasn't coaching you during the week.
10:28He did say to me a couple of things. He said one of them about Suarez. He said, don't go to Suarez and try and nibble. Let him delay him and make him make decisions. And he's less effective. And I've done that. And the game was easier. Not to say it was easy. It was easier for me against him going into that and applying that. So those little simple messages are really good. I think Glenn Huddle is definitely one of those guys. He just made the game feel very simple when he explained it. And then you went out and certain things took place in the game that he was talking about in training or in the videos, which shows you that he has an IQ of football that is separate from most.
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12:31this is lovely tell me who wasn't who wasn't yeah who cooked your head when he was giving instructions i would say i was under underwhelmed by it because i thought it was going to be that Capello yeah I thought I was going to get some level of detail him having worked with who he's worked with and thought I was going to it's definitely going to improve me that whole England squad did not enjoy 2010 yeah it wasn't even just that it was just it wasn't any enjoyment it was like as you said the coaching element like I could not enjoy it but still benefit there's coaches I didn't enjoy working with we had success and we won stuff but that was more like you're not giving me anything that I haven't heard and no catch up yeah and some of the things you're actually saying aren't relevant to the game that we're playing in.
13:14Do you know what I mean? So it was kind of, that was again, underwhelming for the name. Yeah, I think in his defence, I think he was from a different generation and maybe the coaching and the way he was applying his coaching had kind of moved on a little bit and we were used to something else. And so we were expecting this and got something very different. It's weird because I see him now. He is such a lovely guy. He was a hard taskmaster. He used to rule with iron fists. Like a hard, aggressive, like non-approachable man. Now him and his wife, two of the loveliest people who I'm so happy to see when I see them.
13:55It's weird. You spoke about togetherness earlier on, about the England team. There is a brotherhood that we're seeing now. When Jordan Henderson fell, and you told me today actually, Jolion, what actually happened? He looked like he jumped over the hoardings. again he fell he slipped he slipped he slipped and he hit i think he's broken his arm or on something to his wrist or something he looked like he was down like he was just he didn't move did he like he jumped over and fell like almost face face flitted because dan burn went over first and then he went over after he looked like he lost his foot and then he just went boom but then what's crazy is everybody just gathered around him like because they wanted to keep the press away so even dan burn he's there telling everyone f off f of like you can see they're trying to protect their I understand that and I'm not surprised by that.
14:38And I also think Gareth Southgate needs credit for that. I think he's the one that created the way this squad are and treat each other. And even the way, not everyone, because Steve obviously hasn't converted yet, but the way the nation viewed the national teams, you know what I mean? Like there's a lot more togetherness feel with the fan base and the players. So definitely see it now. It's definitely there, but I still believe that it had started prior to Thomas Tuchel. good luck to Jordan fingers crossed everything's going to be alright and he gets to take part in the World Cup at the latest stages but I think the news that broke today was off the pitch with Flo Balogun his red card being turned around he was obviously suspended but then that changed I actually welcomed it on the X I know I've been told to give your head a wobble over it with a clap but the context of that was more about I want to see the best players playing that's what I was caring about the football for what I want to see and for the spectacle of the game.
15:35Now, is it right? No. And have we seen it before? Yes. Cristiano Ronaldo, it happened to, going into this tournament. But the way things are going, I think it's Article 27, and it was used for Ronaldo. That's the same one that's been used for Balogun. What's the word in that Article 27? I don't know exactly, but I think it's like the ability to suspend a suspension. So that's what happened to Ronaldo going into the World Cup. So they suspended his ban. And they've done that again now with this one with Balogun. But I think if they'd have done it within 24 hours, it might have been a bit of an easier appeal to swallow.
16:13But even then, I think it would have been wrong. Yeah, I just don't see how it's right. And again, it's another element to it. What's the criteria to actually be able to do that? Is it the profile of the player? The importance to the team? It was a long VAR decision for him. So, okay, so that might be, is it like, if the VAR decision takes over two minutes or something like that, why are they choosing this instant Canada the Canada player or was it Iran player that fouled the Canadian player he got extra he's getting extra I'm like what's going on Iran you say hmm do you reckon do you reckon Jude Bellingham gets the same grace if he gets a red card if he's playing USA in the final no chance no chance not in the final obviously leading up to it because obviously I'm talking about if let's just say there's another game to play.
17:03I think it's an important point what Joel just said there. Is that like, is it the stature of the player that may determine the outcome? Of course. Because like, Cristiano, and then you've got, but that's wrong. Yeah, I agree. That's what I'm saying, but that's what it feels like. So that's the bit that. It's not rules are rules, rules are rules, unless we know who you are. What's it all about? By the way, guys, what's happened to Brazil? Ah, Jago Benito's finished. The only good thing about that game is that Neymar scored and got his goal and that's it. He's retired now from international football.
17:36Are you sure he didn't retire before today? Well, he got his goal. Yeah, that ain't the Brazil I'm used to seeing. No, that's the thing. That hurts my feelings, man. Like, when I'm looking at Brazil, I'm thinking, Vinicius Junior, maybe Gabriel. He like, who else is weak, innit? Who else is coming to an England team like before, like, you're taking front threes. Yeah, they just, they haven't got the same not the same spark or charisma could you imagine this current Brazil doing that advert from the 98 World Cup oh yeah that one in the airport lovely wasn't it the greatest advert of all time no but I don't know it's weird and I think on the flip side Haaland just an animal he's not getting enough credit you know absolute animals did you see the stat today Norway have only ever scored seven goals in the World Cup in the history of their country and he's got seven and he's got seven in this World Cup yeah it's crazy They've only ever scored seven goals in the World Cup before this campaign.
18:34And he's got seven. I'll tell you one thing. If England let Norway cross the ball as much as Mexico did, we're going to be in a bit of a pickle. We need to make sure we iron that out. Because the way he's moving in that box and the way he's running around big-name defenders and getting across them and scoring, they need to make sure they iron that out. But that second goal was different though, isn't it? Outside the box. We haven't seen that before. Confidence. confidence I also think tiredness I think it was one of them when you just go I can't be bothered to take these players I'm going to have to run so let me just shoot no no shoot man do you know what just before we go we've got another another interview dropping man another one Rio a world cup winner what yeah a world cup winner is coming to the house man oh what nation French
19:22get in the comments guys let us know let us know who you think it's going to be let us know man have a guess is it Paul Pogba again it's not Paul man You don't get to come on here twice.
19:34Paul could. I was going to say, be careful with that one. We actually need him to come back. There's some more stuff we've got to address him. But yeah, man, listen, stay tuned, guys. Make sure your notifications are on. Make sure you keep on telling a friend and watching all that we're putting out because the content is coming thick and fast. For sure, man. Check out the socials. It's all there. Stephen Housen, Jolien Lescott, Rio Ferdinand, Joel Baer, signing out. Peace.
20:01Thank you.
20:29It's a new work day.
Rio gathers everyone around the fire pit at his Airbnb after England were victorious in a World Cup Classic in Mexico City.
Jude Bellingham was England’s talisman again and spoke about how his teammates are different to previous generations because they didn’t “crumble” when put under severe pressure by their hosts.
There’s analysis of Bellingham’s maturity and how he has developed his attitude since his last major tournament with England.
Joleon Lescott praises Thomas Tuchel’s “unique ability” to change the game from the bench and the gang discuss how effective the German is at utilising the hydration breaks to improve his team’s performance.
There’s a warning about the way England have defended when they come up against Erling Haaland’s Norway side and analysis of whether Florian Balgoun’s rescinded suspension was “wrong” and how it compares to the treatment of Cristiano Ronaldo pre-tournament.
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