All Aboard for CPI: Inflation Data Could Set Tone

12 Aug 2025 · 9 min · 4 chapters

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In short

Preview of Tuesday, Aug. 12 markets, focused on the upcoming CPI release and its implications for Treasury yields, Fed rate policy, and broader risk sentiment; also covers PPI timing, tariff negotiations, central-bank easing abroad, and technical/sector performance.

Guests

None mentioned; the episode features Schwab analysts Keith Lansford (host), Kathy Jones (Chief Fixed Income Strategist), and Colin Martin (Director of Fixed Income Strategy).

Key claims

Hot CPI could push yields higher and complicate Fed rate cuts; CPI/PPI increasingly reflect tariffs, immigration restrictions, and expansive fiscal policy. Core CPI annual growth expected ~3.0% (up from 2.9%). Rate-cut odds for September are high (CME FedWatch ~86%).

Notable examples

Tariff impacts seen in furniture/apparel; services inflation (air travel, shelter) recently stabilized/fell. Metric: share of CPI items rising 4%+ (40% in prior report). Stock examples: Intel +3.7% on CEO White House visit; Micron beats estimates; NVIDIA/AMD dip on China export-license news.

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Chapters

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Market Outlook Before CPI Release

0:45 to 2:35

An overview of expectations leading up to the consumer price index release.

“That compares with 0.3 % and 0.2 % in June.”

Impact of Inflation on Federal Reserve Policy

2:35 to 4:52

Exploring how inflation data could influence Federal Reserve rate decisions.

“Fed Vice Chair Michelle Bowman said over the weekend she could see three rate cuts this year based on the soft jobs data.”

Sector Performance and Market Trends

4:52 to 7:17

Analyzing sector performances and market trends ahead of CPI.

“but finished on a weak note as selling accelerated in the last hour, perhaps on pre-CPI caution.”

Market Closing Summary

7:17 to 8:28

Recap of the market's closing figures and performance metrics.

“Technically, the S &P 500 remains in a tight range between 6 ,300 and 6 ,400.”
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Transcript

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0:05Welcome to the Schwab Market Update Podcast, where we prepare you for each trading day with a recap of recent news and a look at what's ahead. I'm Keith Lansford, and here is Schwab's early look at the markets for Tuesday, August 12th. It's only Tuesday, but today could be the keystone this week as investors brace for the consumer price index at 8.30 a.m. ET. A hot CPI might drive Treasury yields higher and raise questions about Federal Reserve rate policy. Yields move the opposite way of the underlying Treasury notes. Analysts expect 0.2 % monthly July headline CPI growth and 0.3 % core, which excludes food and energy.

0:50That compares with 0.3 % and 0.2 % in June. But investors will drill deeper after June showed tariff-related impacts from rising furniture and apparel prices and steeper inflation affecting a wider number of items. Market resilience is likely to be tested as inflation data hits, said Kathy Jones. Chief Fixed Income Strategist at Schwab. The CPI and PPI reports are starting to reflect the impact of various policy changes implemented earlier in the year, trade policy and tariffs, immigration restrictions, and expansive fiscal policy. The July Producer Price Index, or PPI, report is due Thursday and measures prices at the wholesale level.

1:32Annual core CPI growth is expected to be 3 % in today's report, up from 2.9 % in June and the highest since February. One item worth watching is the percentage of products tracked by CPI climbing dramatically versus just rising. The last CPI report showed 40 % of items up 4 % or more in price annually, a large amount considering overall CPI rose 2.7 % in June. The percentage of items climbing 4 % or more peaked near 60 % in mid-2022, but remains well above the 20 % often seen before the pandemic. Early last year, Atlanta Fed President Rafael Bostic said this is a metric he watches closely. Though furnishings and recreational goods were among categories in CPI affected by tariffs last month, services-related inflation for things like air travel and shelter recently stabilized or fell.

2:27If that spilled into July, it could help offset additional goods inflation.

2:34Chances for a September rate cut reached 86 % by late Monday, according to the CME FedWatch tool. Fed Vice Chair Michelle Bowman said over the weekend she could see three rate cuts this year based on the soft jobs data. There's already growing support for a September cut, and only a 12 % likelihood the Fed would stop there, the FedWatch tool shows. We expect two rate cuts this year, as the non-farm payroll revisions suggest the labor market is weaker than the initial data suggested, said Colin Martin, Director of Fixed Income Strategy at the Schwab Center for Financial Research. With the push and pull of a weaker labor market and above-target inflation, the Fed may focus on its maximum employment mandate since it can't do much to offset tariff-induced increases of goods.

3:21The Fed can help more with the impact of weaker discretionary spending due to a softer labor market than it can with high prices from trade policy. While a hot CPI could cause bumps in the market, the recent past shows investors buying just about every dip led by the biggest tech stocks. Hopes for a rate easing not just in the U.S., but abroad, helped shape the tailwind, with 20 central banks now in easing cycles. There aren't as many Treasury auctions on tap this week, but soft demand for several major ones last week raised eyebrows, along with the 10-year Treasury note yield. With the government turning out increasing levels of debt to finance, any hesitance from investors to buy debt at current yields might mean pressure on Treasuries and possibly higher borrowing costs down the road.

4:10Even so, credit spreads remain very tight and may be a better proxy for U.S. economic health. This means borrowers have relatively easy access to cash. President Trump on Monday announced a 90-day extension of the three-month deadline for the U.S. and China to formulate and agree on tariffs. That means investors will have until November 9th to fret over possible tariffs, though the two countries evidently made progress during negotiations last month. The announcement temporarily took one pressure point off the market, but stocks didn't show much response as that decision was widely expected. Stocks stayed in a holding pattern most of the day Monday ahead of CPI, but finished on a weak note as selling accelerated in the last hour, perhaps on pre-CPI caution.

4:59Softness was widespread with just one sector, staples, finishing higher and healthcare unchanged. changed. This lean toward defensive sectors showed up on a few days last week and might raise eyebrows if it continues, especially considering the markets in a seasonally weak period. It's also worth noting that with the infotech sector down 0.7 % following last week's rally, no other sector came along to pick up the pieces. Market breadth fell slightly to just 54 % of S &P 500 stocks trading above their 50-day moving averages, well off the late July peak of 75%. Looking at individual stock performance Monday, Intel climbed 3.7 % as the Wall Street Journal reported that Intel's CEO would visit the White House.

5:47Last week, Trump called for the CEO's ouster. Another semiconductor stock, Micron, also rose sharply after the firm raised its August quarter earnings per share and revenues above consensus views, citing improved pricing, among other factors. NVIDIA and Advanced Microdevices both fell slightly Monday after the Financial Times reported Sunday that the two chipmakers will receive export licenses to sell NVIDIA's H20 and AMD's MI308 chips in China, in return for the U.S. government receiving 15 % of revenues from those sales. Even with NVIDIA's profit margin overall near 70%, any hit could be costly.

6:30It also raises concerns that the Trump administration could target other large companies for a piece of their revenues. Treasury yields didn't change much, and the 10-year note yield fell one basis point to 4.27 % yesterday. The U.S. dollar rose slightly. The Relative Strength Index, or RSI, a popular momentum indicator, finished around 60 Monday for the S &P 500 index, while under the 70 level that signals overbought conditions, but still relatively high. The RSI could be worth tracking this week as earnings ebb and focus shifts more to monetary and trade policy. One thing that could grab attention is if stocks continue pushing their way to new highs, even as RSI posts lower peaks.

7:16That's called a bearish divergence and suggests momentum may be slowing. Technically, the S &P 500 remains in a tight range between 6 ,300 and 6 ,400. It topped 6 ,400 briefly intraday Monday, only to dip below it and hasn't closed above that level. Friday's close just below the all-time high was a technical disappointment, but buying has generally shown up at the 20-day moving average near 6 ,025 the last three months. There's a similar pattern of 20-day moving average support at the tech-heavy NASDAQ 100 index. The Russell 2000 index enjoyed a positive development last week when its 50-day moving average topped its 200-day moving average for the first time since March.

8:03The Dow Jones Industrial Average slipped 200.52 points Monday, or 0.45%, to 43 ,975.09. The S &P 500 index dropped 16 points or 0.25 % to 6 ,373.45, and the NASDAQ Composite lost 64.62 points or 0.3 % to 21 ,385.40. This has been the Schwab Market Update Podcast. To stay informed, visit www.schwab.com slash market update or follow us for free in your favorite podcasting app. And if you like what you've heard, please consider leaving us a rating or a review. It really helps new listeners find the show. Join us for another update tomorrow.

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From the publisher

Today's July CPI report could show if imported goods saw a blunter tariff impact after signs of that emerged in June. Yields might jump if the data come in hotter than expected.

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