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Episode Title
Inflation Data Next with Stocks, Yields Rangebound
Host
- Colette O'Claire
Episode Overview
- Focus on the latest market developments, particularly around the December Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) data and geopolitical tensions with Iran.
- Market sentiment appears cautious as analysts anticipate the PCE data may not show significant progress in combating inflation.
Key Themes and Discussions
- Inflation Data and Market Impact
- PCE Price Index Release: Scheduled for 8:30 a.m. ET, seen as pivotal for market direction.
- Expectations:
- Analysts predict a 0.3% month-over-month increase for headline PCE and 0.4% for core PCE (excluding food and energy).
- Year-over-year PCE may remain at 2.8%, above the Federal Reserve's target of 2%.
- Market Anticipation: A higher-than-expected reading could reinforce a hawkish stance from the Federal Reserve regarding interest rate hikes.
- Current Economic Indicators
- Recent drop in weekly initial jobless claims suggests a stable labor market.
- Fed Rate Cut Expectations:
- 6% chance of a cut next month, with expectations for the first cut anticipated around mid-year.
- GDP Growth: Official fourth-quarter growth estimates expected; Atlanta Fed projects 3.6% growth, lower than earlier predictions.
- Geopolitical Concerns
- Increasing tensions between the U.S. and Iran affecting market confidence.
- Potential disruptions to crude oil supplies could raise prices, impacting related sectors.
- Corporate Earnings Highlights
- Walmart:
- Holiday quarter results exceeded expectations, but future guidance was conservative, affecting stock performance.
- Notable growth in sales, particularly among higher-income customers seeking bargains.
- Upcoming Earnings:
- NVIDIA and Salesforce's earnings are expected to set market tone, particularly amidst competition concerns in the software sector.
- Market Performance Insights
- Major indexes ended a three-day winning streak, reflecting concerns over inflation and geopolitical risks.
- Sector Performance:
- Defensive sectors like Utilities performed well, while Financials and Travel sectors faced declines.
- Notable movements in individual stocks, with companies like Deere showing strong gains and Carvana facing a significant drop.
Technical Market Analysis
- S&P 500 Index: Currently trading within a tight range (6,800 - 7,000) with a key support level at the 100-day moving average of 6,815.
- Volatility Index: Monitored due to rising market uncertainties, currently trading above its long-term average.
Important Economic Releases to Watch
- Consumer Sentiment: Final February reading expected later in the day.
- New Home Sales: Anticipated decline in December figures.
Conclusion
- The episode emphasizes the delicate balance of market sentiment influenced by inflation data, geopolitical tensions, and corporate earnings, urging investors to stay informed and cautious.
Additional Notes
- Disclaimer: The podcast content is for informational purposes only and should not be considered investment advice.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOInflation Data and Market Reactions
0:45 to 2:18
Learn about the upcoming PCE data and its potential impact on the market.
“If that's the case, it might reinforce a message from the Federal Reserve's last meeting when some policymakers argued for a two-sided approach that would work possible rate hikes back into Fed guidance.”
Understanding Jobless Claims and Fed Outlook
2:18 to 3:47
Explore the relationship between jobless claims and Federal Reserve rate cuts.
“market remains in decent shape, even if it's not growing all that fast.”
GDP Estimates and Market Sentiment
3:47 to 5:23
Discuss GDP estimates and their significance in the current economic climate.
“Data continues after today's open with a final February reading on consumer sentiment from the University of Michigan at 10 a.m.”
Retail Earnings Insights: Walmart's Performance
5:23 to 7:29
Examine Walmart's earnings report and implications for the retail sector.
“percent annual range, below the 5 percent analysts had expected.”
Geopolitical Tensions Impacting Markets
7:29 to 8:13
Analyze how rising tensions with Iran could affect market behavior.
“Margins might come under scrutiny as NVIDIA, like other chip players, faces higher memory costs.”
Upcoming Corporate Earnings and Market Trends
8:13 to 10:18
Get insights on upcoming earnings reports and their potential market effects.
“Another possible landmark next week is Wednesday's earnings from software giant Salesforce, force, which arrive after the software sector got slammed earlier this month by AI competition concerns.”
Stock Performance and Market Analysis
10:18 to 12:46
Review the performance of major stocks and sectors in the current market.
“declined 6 percent after the Financial Times reported that the firm has halted redemptions in its private retail debt fund.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05Welcome to the Schwab Market Update Podcast, where we prepare you for each trading day with a recap of recent news and a look at what's ahead.
0:18I'm Colette O 'Claire, and here is Schwab's early look at the markets for Friday, February 20th. Even as tensions ramp up between the U.S. and Iran, investor focus turns inward this morning to data. The December Personal Consumption Expenditures, or PCE Price Index, due at 8.30 a.m. Eastern Time, could help set today's tone on Wall Street, and analysts expect a relatively warm reading that won't show progress fighting prices. If that's the case, it might reinforce a message from the Federal Reserve's last meeting when some policymakers argued for a two-sided approach that would work possible rate hikes back into Fed guidance.
0:59That hawkish tone, along with geopolitics and a cautious outlook from Walmart, kept stocks under pressure yesterday. Risk-off trading ahead of today's inflation reading also kept the market on a tight leash. For headline PCE, the briefing.com consensus is 0.3 % month over month. Core PCE, excluding food and energy, is seen up 0.4%. Both would accelerate from 0.2 % the prior month. Year-over-year numbers also stand in the spotlight after rising 2.8 % in November, well above the Fed's 2 % goal. Several services readings in the Producer Price Index, or PPI, that pull through to PCE led analysts to suspect that PCE could remain stubbornly high with another 2.8 % annual gain.
1:51PCE is the Fed's favored inflation meter, so it receives elevated attention from market participants. The previous PCE was fairly benign, so if today's exceeds estimates, it might send a message that inflation progress stood still. At the same time, yesterday's drop of 20 ,000 in weekly initial jobless claims toward near-term lows at 206 ,000 suggests the labor market remains in decent shape, even if it's not growing all that fast. Heading into PCE, chances of a Fed rate cut next month stood at 6 % according to the CME FedWatch tool. PCE could help determine where things go beyond that, but generally, the market expects the first cut to come around mid-year.
2:40Futures trading suggests better than 50 % odds that by June, rates will have been cut at least once. A large contingent of policymakers seem willing to wait for inflation to ease before considering further rate cuts, minutes from the last Federal Open Market Committee, or FOMC, revealed earlier this week. FOMC minutes suggest that the hawks pushed back, said Kathy Jones, chief fixed income strategist at the Schwab Center for Financial Research or SCIFR. Several would support two-sided language about policy direction, and several noted that if inflation remains high, rate hikes might be necessary.
3:23Gross domestic product, or GDP, is also due today and represents the first official government estimate of fourth-quarter growth. The Atlanta Fed's GDP Now meter puts GDP growth at 3.6 percent on a seasonally adjusted annual basis. That's down from 5 % a few weeks ago, with soft retail sales and housing data contributing to the pullback. Analysts see 3 % growth, down from 4.3 % in the third quarter. Data continues after today's open with a final February reading on consumer sentiment from the University of Michigan at 10 a.m. Eastern Time. Consensus, This, according to briefing.com, is 57.3, equal to the initial February report and still historically weak.
4:11New home sales, due at the same time, are seen slightly down in December from the prior month at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 714 ,000. This follows a very weak pending home sales report yesterday. Another thing to monitor starting soon after the open is a potential Supreme Court decision on President Trump's tariffs. Though analysts broadly expect the court to rule against the administration, it won't mean the end of trade restrictions. The decision doesn't cover all tariffs, and Trump may have other ways of applying restrictions in some cases. Companies in their earnings reports early this year continue to cite tariffs as a business headwind.
4:54Speaking of earnings, Walmart's holiday quarter looked quite solid as earnings and revenue topped Wall Street's expectations. The nation's largest retailer delivered earnings per share of$0.74, narrowly topping Wall Street's$0.73 consensus. Revenue of$190.7 billion edged above FactSet's average estimate of$190.5 billion. Shares of Walmart fell 1.4 percent Thursday, however, possibly because guidance for the full fiscal year pegged sales growth in a 3.5 percent to 4.5 percent annual range, below the 5 percent analysts had expected. Earnings guidance was also below consensus, but this could reflect a conservative approach after CEO John Ferner recently took the helm.
5:43Still, the company's comparable sales growth at stores open a year or more was 4.6%, and it cited strong sales and favorable general merchandise trends. Walmart's earnings call, a quarterly hallmark for investors digging into the consumer landscape, didn't have the same cautious tone as guidance. The company said it's seeing share gains in general merchandise and fashion and that momentum is strong across all businesses, including e-commerce. Consumers remain resilient, even those at lower income levels, the company said. But most of the company's market share gains came courtesy of customers making$100 ,000 or more, a sign that higher income people are stepping down to find bargains in Walmart's cheaper aisles.
6:30Turning back to Iran, tension mounted ahead of the weekend after talks with the U.S. failed to make progress, and the Trump administration built its military presence in the region. Any interruption of Persian Gulf shipping might tip crude oil prices even higher than the new 2026 intraday peaks above$66 posted Thursday. Market participants may exhibit caution ahead of the weekend amid uncertainty over the situation, though geopolitics don't tend to have lasting market impacts. Trump hinted today that a deal is still possible, media reports said, and he hinted the next 10 days would be critical.
7:10Last June, when U.S. crude oil prices climbed above$78 during a U.S. bombing campaign in Iran, the S &P 500 index stepped back, but not to any great extent, and then resumed its rally relatively quickly after tensions eased. Looking ahead, next week's corporate news highlight is likely NVIDIA's earnings, due Wednesday after the close. Margins might come under scrutiny as NVIDIA, like other chip players, faces higher memory costs. Other metrics include next Friday's January producer price index, the next day's earnings from Berkshire Hathaway on February 28th, and retail sector earnings that include Home Depot on Tuesday and Lowe's on Wednesday.
7:54Depending on what happens this weekend, the Iran situation could outweigh all those things and keep caution simmering on Wall Street. Uncertainty tends to hurt stocks, so investors might want to monitor the SIBO Volatility Index, which traded late Thursday above its long-term average of 20. Another possible landmark next week is Wednesday's earnings from software giant Salesforce, force, which arrive after the software sector got slammed earlier this month by AI competition concerns. Its guidance could help set the tone for software stocks, and any weakness in the outlook might exacerbate bearish sentiment for the sector.
8:37Technically, the S &P 500 index remains in a tight range between roughly 6 ,800 and 7 ,000, with the 100-day moving average of 6 ,815 representing a key support level that's held on several recent tests. The index has now settled within that range five straight days, the longest stretch since November. Back then, the index climbed back above the 50-day, where it's traded most of the last nine months. Failure to do so, or a series of closes below the 100-day, could suggest technical weakness and possible chips in the armor of the long rally. In trading Thursday, major indexes turned lower, ending a three-day win streak as the market mulled rising Iran and Walmart.
9:24Travel firms, home builders, and automakers were among stocks that struggled, while the financial sector slumped on concerns about the private credit market. Airlines descended on worries about possible travel impact and associated rising crude oil prices from a potential conflict with Iran. Only three of 11 S &P 500 sectors ended higher Thursday, led by the Defensive Utilities Group and followed by Energy, which received a boost from crude. Industrials also were green, thanks partly to solid results from Deere. Infotech continued struggling, pulled down by a drop in chip stocks, and more pressure on the software side.
10:06The 10-year Treasury yield marched in place and settled at 4.08 percent Thursday, showing little movement ahead of today's data. In individual trading Thursday, Blue Owl Capital declined 6 percent after the Financial Times reported that the firm has halted redemptions in its private retail debt fund. The company denied the report. Shares of other asset management firms such as Blackstone and Aries Management also fell on the news, Barron's reported. Private credit initially came under scrutiny earlier this year as the software sector sold off on AI competition concerns. Many smaller software companies appear highly leveraged.
10:49Deere ran up 10 % gains as investors appeared impressed with the farm equipment makers' quarterly results. Earnings and revenue easily exceeded analysts' expectations, and the company cited ongoing recovery in demand within construction and small agriculture, even as the global large agriculture industry continues to experience challenges. Carvana skidded 8 % Thursday after the company drove strong retail unit sales but disappointed on a key profit metric, gross profit per unit. Several Wall Street firms lowered their price targets. Supermicro Computer rolled up 8 % gains Thursday in what appeared to be a technically driven rally.
11:32There was no fresh news. Etsy popped 9 % after the company announced that eBay would pay $1.2 billion to buy Etsy's second-hand clothing reseller Depop, CNBC reported. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 267.50 points Thursday, or 0.54%, to 49 ,395.16. The S &P 500 Index gave back 19.42 points, or 0.28%, to 6 ,861.89. and the Nasdaq Composite lost 70.90 points or 0.31 % to 22 ,682.73. This has been the Schwab Market Update podcast. To stay informed, visit schwab.com slash market update or follow for free in your favorite podcasting app. And if you like what you've heard, please consider leaving us a rating or review.
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This morning's December PCE data could set the tone, but tension with Iran is another focus. So is private credit after jitters yesterday when stocks broke a three-day win streak.
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