In short
Amanda Peet discusses her life and career—especially anxiety, stage fright, psychoanalysis, writing, and acting—plus a deeply personal New Yorker essay about mortality and a recent breast-cancer scare.
Guest backgrounds
Amanda Peet is an actor, producer, and writer. She’s known for roles in films and TV, and she’s also a playwright/essayist. She’s married to David Benioff (Game of Thrones co-creator). The episode is hosted by SmartLess (Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett), who share personal anecdotes and interview Peet.
Key claims
- Stage fright shaped her early career choices; she found it easier to perform on camera than on stage.
- Her parents weren’t in entertainment (dad a corporate lawyer; mom a social worker/psychotherapist), and she tried to make acting seem “less frivolous.”
- Psychoanalysis influenced how she thinks about identity narratives and accountability.
- She’s “mostly” cast in roles similar to herself, and she uses a mental “microscope” (imagining specific actors at video village) to avoid overthinking.
- Her New Yorker essay centers on her family and mortality, including medical fear during a holiday weekend.
Notable examples
- She describes growing up with therapy/psychoanalysis (including being in psychoanalysis at 13, four days a week).
- She recounts auditioning for 20 plays in college without landing parts, then studying with Uta Hagen.
- She tells a story about being advised to address a mustache when she was 18/19 (using multiple removal methods).
- She shares that she has “dense and busy breasts,” found something on Labor Day weekend, and had to wait for results.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOConversation with Amanda Peet
11:08 to 14:00
Amanda Peet shares insights about her career, family, and experiences.
“You guys, I almost did like 25 spit tapes.”
Food and Childhood Pleasures
14:00 to 17:40
Discussion about adult freedoms in eating and childhood memories.
“because I thought that he'd set it for the photo for effect.”
Amanda's Journey into Acting
17:40 to 22:40
Amanda Peet shares her early experiences and challenges in acting.
“Both parents were as far from the entertainment business as you could possibly be.”
The Impact of Psychoanalysis
22:40 to 26:28
Exploring the influence of psychoanalysis on personal narratives and self-awareness.
“did you think, oh, maybe this is an area that I want to go into?”
Exploring Acting Techniques
28:36 to 29:44
Amanda Peet discusses her approach to acting and character exploration.
“Well, Amanda, speaking on, keeping it deep and heavy now.”
Revisiting Past Collaborations
29:44 to 34:18
The hosts reminisce about movies and experiences with Amanda Peet.
“if I catch myself thinking about how to, trying to be good.”
Growing Up in New York City
34:18 to 38:08
Amanda shares her upbringing in New York and its impact on her life.
“You were born in New York, grew up in New York.”
Struggles of an Aspiring Actor
38:08 to 42:01
Amanda talks about her challenges and early auditions in acting.
“And I had, it's almost like, you know, what people say, like, you know, like a self-hating Jew or something like that.”
Personal Experiences with Appearance and Career
42:01 to 45:38
The conversation explores personal anecdotes about beauty standards and career challenges in the entertainment industry.
“And you had a little bit of a fuzz there.”
The Creation of 'The Chair'
45:39 to 49:59
Amanda discusses her role as the creator and showrunner of the Netflix series 'The Chair' and the inspiration behind it.
“So, folks, she was the creator, the writer, the showrunner for the Netflix series called The Chair starring Sandra Oh.”
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Amanda's New Yorker Essay
50:00 to 51:09
The hosts discuss Amanda's recent essay published in The New Yorker, touching on its emotional depth and personal subject matter.
“I have read it, and it is, not only is it an incredible piece of writing, but the subject matter, it is nonfiction.”
Amanda's New Yorker Essay
51:10 to 52:18
The hosts discuss Amanda's recent essay published in The New Yorker, touching on its emotional depth and personal subject matter.
“Not just tools that assist, but AI agents that navigate complex matters.”
Amanda's New Yorker Essay
53:15 to 54:14
The hosts discuss Amanda's recent essay published in The New Yorker, touching on its emotional depth and personal subject matter.
“are you maxing out your energy and just trying to figure out how to keep your tanks filled?”
Amanda's Personal Health Journey
54:15 to 56:00
Amanda shares her recent health experiences, including a concerning medical diagnosis and family loss.
“Amanda, tell us about some of the things that are revealed in this.”
Amanda Peet's Personal Journey
56:00 to 1:02:31
Amanda shares her experience with family loss and her battle with breast cancer.
“So I flew to New York and my poor sister had just dropped her last kid off at college and So she's in a great mood.”
Insight into Amanda's Career
1:02:31 to 1:06:57
Discussion about Amanda's work in film, including her new project 'Fantasy Life'.
“For the folks who don't know how to read and just enjoy their dose of Amanda Peet on the screen, they've been enjoying your friends and neighbors quite a lot.”
Sleep and Modern Life
1:06:57 to 1:10:00
The hosts discuss sleeping patterns, habits, and the impact of technology on sleep.
“Wait, Amanda, what does the rest of the day look like today?”
Discussion on Reading and Podcasts
1:10:00 to 1:18:40
Explore the participants' thoughts on reading, modern noir books, and their favorite podcasts.
“the Beetlejuice what's it Jewel Heist what's the game you play Candy Crush Candy Crush That's hot.”
Transcript
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2:27Will Arnett:Hey, everybody. Hey. Oh, my goodness. Are we in a good mood today? We are. I mean. You were shot out of a cannon. I was shot out of a cannon. Yeah. I'm all fired up. We get to do some potting today. Yeah. And I'm so excited you two are here for this. You're going to have such a hoot. What we do is that little foam thingy in front of your mouth, you just speak into that. We're going to have somebody of interest coming on soon. You're going to be able to ask any questions that you might have. This is incredible. And they should respond in a somewhat informative way.
3:02Sean Hayes:Nobody's left. Nobody's going to listen now.
3:04Will Arnett:You think they've turned the dial?
3:06Sean Hayes:Well, then let's hurry up and get the guest out here.
3:08Will Arnett:Come on. Welcome to SmartList. Smart. Light us.
3:15Smart. Light us.
3:22Smart Less
3:31Sean Hayes:What is that from? Oh, well. Hi. Hi. That's like a... All new Smart Less. Oh, my. Jesus Christ. Isn't that a... Isn't that... Don't they use that in sports things? Yeah. Hey, Sean. are you doing an ad for all American guy you just took a big gulp of milk and now you took a bite of an apple yeah I just got what happened you ran out of pop tarts
4:01Will Arnett:oh my god dude hit the horn again there you go hey did Archie give you that app or something is that next to
4:11Sean Hayes:the fart one no man I've had it for a long time embarrassingly enough did I tell you somebody gave me a box of Pop-Tarts outside the stage door. Did they really? Yeah. It was the greatest gift. What a crowd.
4:26There was a bow around it. And I thought that was the nicest gift ever. Did security tackle them? No. Remember when we went on tour and somebody handed me a sandwich and I ate it? And Jason was like... I think I kind of do. Remember that? We got in the car. You're like, why would you ever eat a sandwich from somebody off the street? I mean, because I was hungry.
4:48Sean Hayes:You're trying to get me to remember the time that you ate a sandwich? No. No? No. I just kind of heighten it if it's not, if it's dragged across the finish line. Needs a little punch. I know. By the way, it should be noted. I texted JB. I'm going to embarrass him. The boys and I, Archie and I watched that first episode of DTSA Lewis. He's so good. Wait, listen to this. Jason, you're so good at playing a simp. Go ahead, Sean. I mean, I almost, Jay, it's like one of those incredible, powerful performances that I felt like when I saw Willie do his movie too where I'm looking at you right now. I've known you for 75 ,000 years and I don't know who you are.
5:39Like, it was so unbelievably a different person that I did not believe I was watching.
5:45Will Arnett:Sean, you finished it last night.
5:47Sean Hayes:I finished the whole series. Yeah, last night. How do you have them all? I gave them mine. Right. We finished the first episode, and I turned to the boys, and I literally looked at them and I go, how many episodes away are we from Jason getting pegged?
6:05Will Arnett:I mean, that's pretty close. I could go on and on. I know, it's so good. I was in tears at the end because I was so proud of my friend Jason. It's really, really good.
6:19Sean Hayes:Everybody's great. Linda Cardellini is amazing. David Harbour, really great. David Harbour's great. Everybody's great. I'm not comparing anybody, but Jason, you are so good in this part. I really appreciate you. And it's so, I mean, were you? And it's not surprising. It should be noted, too, because you know when people go, you were really good. Always hurts. But I texted Jason last night about what a huge swing it was to do this. I mean, Will, wait until you see. Don't say it in another word. Because I knew a new one came out last night, and I couldn't watch last night.
6:53Will Arnett:But it's this guy, Steve Conrad, this writer-director. We'll leave the subject. Sorry, listener. But this guy, Steve Conrad, this writer-director, he's just so creative and daring. Yeah, daring. But without being obnoxiously like, oh, look how avant-garde and, you know, it's so... It serves the characters and it serves the story. It's so relatable that it makes it absolutely almost impossible to watch because it's so cringy and real and awkward. And so much so, I woke up today, I started doing just regular whatever tasks, thinking about DTF St. Louis and these characters. And I'm like... Were you sitting on Scotty's face?
7:33Those are his regular tasks.
7:36Sean Hayes:Wait a minute. The viewers will understand what they're talking about. Yeah, that's a little precursor to what happens in the show. But anyways, incredible. You're very nice.
7:48Will Arnett:Thank you, man. Willie, it's nice to have you back in the States. You made it. Was there any issues at the border, or was it pretty smooth?
7:55Sean Hayes:Still good. Still good? Still good, yeah. Okay. Yeah, so I'm in good standing.
8:01Will Arnett:Your bronzer still, you haven't run out of that.
8:03Sean Hayes:No, it's good. It's a little streaky. Fresh tooth. I can't get behind. I can't see. And my feet, obviously, my feet are always a mess when I get spread this much. I used to go to that thing all the time. Did you used to go to those things? Remember that? To go in the boxes? I've never done it. No, I've literally never done it.
8:21Will Arnett:Do you remember that episode Arrested Development when David Cross had to blow himself or blew it? He says, I just blew myself. He had to put on his own blue man makeup. Yes. I just read this morning David's got a brand new comedy special his ninth one self-releasing on his website and on YouTube I forget the date but it's probably on now I love David Cross
8:43Sean Hayes:go see it yeah click it click it click it and forget I love D D Cross wait one time really quick I went into this DC remember he used to sorry just DC especially first year we do something and David go like that's so late like we just Jason and I would describe something we'd do. He'd go, that's pretty lame. And we'd go, oh, sorry, street cred. And we started calling him street cred, which he actually ended up liking. It made him laugh. Hey, street cred coming up. Anyway. God, I love him. Shall we?
9:16Will Arnett:Yeah, I thought you were going to say something, Shawnee. No, that subject went too far away. It's about this tanning thing. Bring it back. Because I used to, I was so white. I would have to have an event to go to or something. My makeup lady from Will & Grace, she would come over and cake on tanning stuff on my face. Was it Patty? Yeah, Patty Bunch, yeah. Yeah, she's the best. And she forgot to do my hands. Oh, boy. And I won a SAG Award. And so, you know, you do the line, the photos. I'm holding up the SAG Award, and my hands are as white as snow, and my face is as orange as the sun. That's up there with sometimes in a particularly unemployed summer, I will play a bunch of golf.
10:00Will Arnett:And the tan difference, you'll see it now, between the glove hand and the non-glove hand is very ugly. All right, great. Super hashtag relatable.
10:13Sean Hayes:Yeah, first world problems extreme. We just lost 50 ,000 listeners.
10:20Will Arnett:today we have one of my favorite actors she always has been i've had the great fortune of working with her a couple of times and it is as good in person as it is on film she is not only an actor but also a producer and a writer but not just any writer this is a playwright and recently a columnist which we will talk about it's very exciting after more than 25 years of doing great work it's even greater right now she's got a new season of her hit show on apple starting this spring. She's got a brand new film being released, has a very fancy publication of her essay dropping, and has successfully gotten through yet another year of marriage to a real ding-dong.
11:00Will Arnett:She's a unicorn, folks, and here she is. Please welcome my longtime nearest and dearest friend, Ms. Amanda Peet. Get out here. Boy, do we have stuff to talk about. Hi, Shawnee. Hi, honey. How are you? I'm okay. Oh, my gosh. You got a mic set up and everything. You guys, I almost did like 25 spit tapes. And I wasn't sure if I was supposed to be. She is prone to a spit tape.
11:27Sean Hayes:Look at you with a microphone. Look at you. Oh, should I put that down? No, no, no. Sean has his? Oh, you guys all have yours. We're not doing video. This isn't video.
11:36Will Arnett:That's the one we sent you, isn't it?
11:38Sean Hayes:I've just never seen you in this environment. So it's all new to me. It's so great to see you. I'm so excited. I know. She was like, she sent me a text.
11:46Will Arnett:She said, She sent me a text. She said, can I look like a slob? I go, yeah, I'm in my PJs. I'm always in my PJs. The only thing you're being recorded is your voice.
11:53Sean Hayes:How do you think he only travels in PJs? Wow, you are really tan, Will. I know, I know. I get that a lot, as you know. Smoking and sun, not good. I know. Yeah. Okay.
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12:06Will Arnett:Wait, wait, is it still happening, Will? We're still chipping? Yeah. It's still really annoying that you're so good with addictions now, I guess. You've got it all handled. You can just chip away at the cigarettes and it doesn't take over.
12:22Sean Hayes:Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty good. I go through phases.
12:25Will Arnett:I can't do a little of anything.
12:26Sean Hayes:I know. Me neither. I can't either. I generally can't either. How are you, Amanda, how are you with sugar? I'm really bad with sugar. I mean, it's not great. It's not great. What's the one thing? I need it out.
12:37Will Arnett:If you could go to an addict's, what, circle meeting, whatever it's called, What would it be for, Amanda? Oh. What's the thing you want to kick? I can't say it. Oh, you can't say it? Really? I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
12:54Sean Hayes:We talk about porn here all the time. That is something I don't have a problem with. Yeah. No, what is it? I'm addicted to exercise. Really? No, for real. Guys, I'm kidding. Are you kidding me? Sean, right? Right. J.B., do you know me at all? Sean, it would be sugar for you? Oh, my God. I can't not go a day without eating tons of sugar. Have you tried to just get it out of the house? Have you tried the thing where it's like proximity? Well, and then I eat an apple. Yeah, that works. Okay, well, that has sugar, but the good kind. But then I'll have a Snickers right after this.
13:29Will Arnett:Who has? Just a full-grown Snickers. I haven't had a Snickers since Halloween when I was 14. But you know what? I texted these guys the other night. I came home after doing two shows. Oh, my God. And I had a plate of spaghetti and a donut. On the same plate. On the same plate. Don't you think you're burning enough adrenaline? That's what I'm saying. Two shows, like it just probably just. It's a one-man show too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You earn it. You earn that spaghetti.
13:53Sean Hayes:He sent the photo of the pasta of the spaghetti bolognese and then a chocolate donut with a bite out of it. So then I FaceTimed him just because I wanted kind of verification because I thought that he'd set it for the photo for effect. And sure enough, donut is on the plate. He's eating them both simultaneously. Yeah. I really was. Spaghetti with donut chaser. And a glass of milk, yeah. I often think how when, you know, I have an 11-year-old, I often think of how one of the great, great pleasures of being an adult, a grown-up, is that you can eat your dessert before your meal. Sure. Yeah. There's no rules.
14:28Sean Hayes:Well, actually, if you remember, Shoshana, I said to you, are you at an 11-year-old's birthday party? Yeah. And I said I stopped by on the way home from work. Yeah. Amanda Peet. Southie. Yes. Oh, my God. Amanda. You worked with Amanda. Amanda and I worked together first almost 30 years ago. We did a film called, I know, sorry. Sorry to say that. Jesus. Jesus. I don't feel good about it either. 30 years ago.
14:54Will Arnett:Do you guys both still have your Boston accents? Sag cards? Boston accents?
15:00Sean Hayes:They almost took our sag cards away. They came on set. Wait, what did you work on together? Southie. It was called Southie. It was a film. Oh, Southie. It was a film about South Boston. Oh, I didn't know that. How are you? Good to see you. Good for you, Amanda, huh? Hey, Pete, you're doing good, huh? Wait, Amanda, did you do the accent too? Do you still have it? I think I might have. Do it just a little bit. Just do a little bit. Honestly, I can't even fucking remember because I was living in denim at the time. They're going to kick me out of the condo. They're going to kick me out of the condo soon.
15:28That was terrible. Wow. That was good.
15:30Sean Hayes:That was good. Condo is good, though. Condo. Still rolling. Still rolling. Still rolling. Wow. Rude. Rude. Wait, was Donnie Wahlberg the star of that film? So Donnie Wahlberg was a star. Donnie Wahlberg, Rose McGowan, you, me, and directed by John Shea. And Mira. And Mira. Who, by the way, Sean, I was saying, I was about to do a play after Southie and I was telling her about how I have terrible stage fright and I was trying to just chat with her about it and she had, you know, she was a chain smoker and she just said, as soon as you want to be good you're dead wow wow that's a good quote isn't that deep yeah she was cool she was no nonsense she was cool that's kind of cool as soon as you want to be good
16:24Will Arnett:wait wait tell me about the stage fright I guess I have that I guess we all have that a bit figure out how to not flip out at an early stage is it Well, yeah.
16:38Sean Hayes:You know what I do? My little sort of trick I've always done for a long time, especially when you're going to do something kind of live or whatever, and you're like, I got to get out there. And I just go, I am where I am, and literally use it. This is energy. Okay. And I just flip it. So don't try to get over it. No. That's incredibly annoying. And bring it in. Just flip it. Just flip it. Flip it and forget it. Yeah, flip it. No. I don't have those kinds of nerves, dude. Honestly, that's a good impression of me.
17:06Will Arnett:Now, has it always been like that? Here we go. Let's go back to the beginning, Amanda. When you were a kid. Yeah. When you were a kid, was it always going to be this? Like, did you have a plan for this? Or did you just kind of wing it and, like, the entertainment world kind of came your way? Or was it like, no, let's set the oars in this direction and start rowing? I think both parents were— That's good. That's enough. Thank you. And we'll go to our first break. Wow. No, both parents are. Off crowd. Both parents were as far from the entertainment business as you could possibly be. What kind of?
17:51Will Arnett:Corporate lawyer. Yep. Yale undergrad, Harvard Law School. My mom was a social worker, psychotherapist. Wow. And I feel like they saw acting in the beginning similarly to just, oh, so you want to start modeling. You want to join the circus. You want to be a hooker. Right. Yeah. Wow. Sex worker. Sex worker. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Sex worker. Did you work to sort of convince them that that wasn't the way you were seeing it and what your intentions were? or did you just kind of like hide your pursuit? Yes, I think I was constantly trying to make it appear less frivolous. But interestingly, apropos of what we were just saying, I think because I had terrible stage fright, it was much easier for me to book things like a Chapstick commercial or Days of Our Lives.
18:50Like as soon as I was lucky enough to get an audition for something like a Clifford Odette's play or something like that, I was like this. You're just shaking. And I couldn't do what I was doing in class, you know, in real life.
19:05Will Arnett:So literally stage was like that was your kryptonite, but being in front of camera was less... No, sorry, I didn't explain that right. So anything highbrow, I was like terrified. Oh, gotcha. And then anything that was like considered more lowbrow, Right, you killed it. I could kill it. And so then I was undoing what I wanted to portray to my parents. Yeah. Because I'd be like, well, I'm on a Skittles commercial. And they'd be like, I rest my case. Right. Well, how about that? That's actually, that's a good strategy to overcome. You know, like don't overvalue something. Maybe like find something about whatever you're going to be doing that's giving you the nerves that sort of undercuts it.
19:53Well, yeah, I mean, not to get too, like, deep about it, but both my kids were, you know, given offers to go play. You know you have three. Oh, sorry, the two that are home and play soccer. At different times in their soccer careers were offered to play in a higher soccer team, and we're like, no.
20:15Will Arnett:Oh, why? Why? Because they were too nervous. Oh, interesting. Really? So it's catching. So I gave them my fucking anxiety. Does Ding Dong David come along with some really helpful fathering advice to these young, nervous, you know, anxiety-riddled kids? Yes, I feel like it's a good balance. No. It's a good balance. We do love David. Just because he's not in front of the camera for my sister, Tracy, David created Game of Thrones, your husband.
20:42Sean Hayes:Yeah. Are your sisters with you? Sorry, I don't understand the conceit.
20:47Will Arnett:My sister. Every once in a while, we have to remind the audience. Good. Thank you, Will. It's helpful. But wait, Amanda, did you, when you were growing up... Oh, go ahead. No, you go. No, Willie, go. No, no, no. You guys are so polite to each other. Wait, Amanda, when you grew up with a mom in that field, did she kind of try to psychoanalyze you all the time? Like, did you have somebody to talk to? Was it therapy constantly in the house? You know what I mean? Okay, to be honest, I was, yeah, I was very, very close with her. And very, very similar. And was sent to the therapist right when I came out of her vagina.
21:27Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. As an infant. I was like, talk therapy. Let's go. Yeah. You came out with the car keys. You're like ready to go.
21:39Will Arnett:Did you ever feel like you were getting a free analysis from her? Or was it like, I can't really share with her my feelings because she's just going to psychoanalyze me? I think that she— Like, was it a plus or a minus? Okay, my sister would disagree. For me, it was a plus. I didn't feel like she was looking at me as like a test dummy for her psychological theories. And she was even in psychoanalytic training in the 90s when I was in college. And I thought it was really intellectually interesting what she was talking about and really, really helpful. And I think because she felt like her mom was a clinical narcissist, she was hell-bent on being a good listener and seeing my sister and me for who we were.
22:27That's how I feel. I think my sister felt a little bit more like there was this like psychobabble orthodoxy.
22:33Will Arnett:That's older sibling. That's older sibling. Oh, yeah, my older sister.
22:37Sean Hayes:Did you think about, did you think about through that process, did you think, oh, maybe this is an area that I want to go into? Did you consider doing that yourself? Well, I always think acting is a little bit in that area. Sorry, that question was for Amanda. Sorry. No, Sean, go. Yeah. No, no, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, I think when I look back, I was in, this is very unusual, I was in psychoanalysis at age 13. So I went to the shrink four days a week. Wow. Talk about, you know, first world problems. and I think the idea of psychoanalysis that there are these inciting incidents that set you on a path, on a trajectory and that's storytelling.
23:24You're basically creating a narrative.
23:27Sean Hayes:Yes. I mean, old school shrinks would say you're not creating it. But I think it's very similar to storytelling in every way. And then we create, and then that, create that narrative And those sort of neural pathways get deeper and deeper and deeper, those grooves. And if you're, the danger is that if you don't do that, I'm not advocating either way or whatever, I don't have really a position, but that if you, that those things get so deep that that becomes your story entrenched in your mind about who you are. I am this. This is the way, and you can, that can often lead to, I think, as you get older.
24:06Sean Hayes:You know, you, I know I speak for myself. the story that I've been telling myself about who I am for the longest time has become this thing that I'm like now at this age, almost 56, and going like, wait, I've got to look at that. Because I've had this narrative, and I'm not a reliable narrator on this. Truly. Nor is any 13-year-old, by the way. And so it's blame. There's a lot of blame, right? When that idea that there is an inciting incident, that something happened to you, it takes away what it doesn't count is style of thinking it's nature and nurture how were you born I was born with a much more anxious mindset than my sister and I think the idea that in your childhood this A, B and C happened it can involve a lot of blame and so I think it's maybe for some people harder to take accountability.
25:07I don't know if that's sort of what you're saying, Will. Like you're sort of like...
25:10Sean Hayes:Yeah, I think so. I just think that we all have, first of all, everybody has their own sort of chemical makeup. And so you can have two people, like you were saying, you and your sister, you can have two people who grew up in the same environment with the same parents with the same thing. And they're completely different. We see it in our own kids. I certainly see it in mine. And they react differently to stuff. And it's true in my experience that I've grown up in a... And I do things differently. And I'm only now at this age started to go like, wait a second, all the stuff that I thought, like I didn't do that early on.
25:44Sean Hayes:I didn't go to psychoanalysis when I was young. Thank God. Well, maybe, but also now I got to sort of retroactively, like I'm much more actively really searching to try to unlock a lot of the stuff that made me who I am today, good and bad. in trying to understand it a little bit and go like, why do I do that? Why do I make the same mistakes? Why do I do this stuff? Good man. Yeah, it's better to be self-aware enough to want to figure it out than just float along through life.
26:13Will Arnett:Right, and maybe you just wouldn't have had the emotional intelligence that you have now to really do a lot of deep and honest analysis and introspection, you know? So it's, you know, good time. You're ready when you're ready. Yeah. We'll be right back. Any pet lover will tell you the same thing. All pets are A-listers, and they deserve A-lister food. In the animal world, that's Akana pet food. Have you seen what's in that stuff? Whole foods like pasture-raised beef, cranberries, and turmeric. That's way better than the food I eat. Those Akana people never compromise. They make pet food the inconvenient way.
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28:35And now back to the show.
28:39Will Arnett:Well, Amanda, speaking on, keeping it deep and heavy now. Oh, shit. Sorry. God. She's a laugh riot. What about when you're playing parts and stuff like that? Are you enjoying and exploring and utilizing all the different parts of you and injecting them into these characters where it's appropriate? I am so fucking into acting right now. Or do you like playing completely different people? Oh, I'll do anything. I like both. Right, but I mean, what's like your strategy? Like, are you, do you think about, okay, how do I create an entirely different person? Or, okay, I recognize a part of myself in this character, and so let's explore that part of myself, and we'll just call her whatever this character's called.
29:33Well, I'm mostly given parts right now at this moment that are more, probably more like me. and yes, sometimes when, right before I do a take, if I catch myself thinking about how to, trying to be good.
29:50Sean Hayes:Right, right. If I think like I'm trying, if I - Is that similar to, is that similar to trying to be good or thinking about how to play it? Yes, like orchestrating anything. Orchestrating a result. Yes. Right. I try to pretend that David or Sarah Paulson are there at the video village. They'll call bullshit. And that they'll call bullshit. Oh, interesting. So I say, okay, now you have to do one where they're going to have to guess whether it's real or not real. That's awesome. Whether it's really you or not really you. That's awesome. And that's the strategy for this moment. Yeah, because a lot of actors work so hard to let you know they're not acting that it looks like acting.
30:33Will Arnett:You're right, yeah. You know? Whereas if you focus on just like performing for one microscopic lens that for some people it's themselves, right? Like for me, it's that case. Like I know I'm gonna watch my performance here and I'm not gonna be able to get away with anything. You know, I'm not going to give myself any sort of, you know, relief. Like it's gotta be super, you know, like I'm watching. For you, that microscope is David and Sarah. It's never Amanda. Huh? It's never my best friend, Amanda. No, I can trick Amanda. I can trick her. Stop it. No, you can't. No, I can't.
31:14Sean Hayes:The other Amanda. Sorry, just to be clear. The other Amanda.
31:17Will Arnett:Oh, sorry. I'm married to Amanda. I'm very close with J.B.'s wife, Amanda. Can we talk to the other Amanda? Amanda Panda. No, Amanda and Jason were in what movie together? There were two, right? Was it just two or was it more? Oh, God. Oh, my God. I forgot about the, I forgot about the first one.
31:33Sean Hayes:I mean, she came out of the gate with Southie, and she forgot about your shit. Yeah, thanks.
31:38Will Arnett:Which one did you forget about? Which one did you pour cement over? I forgot about the wheelchair one. You don't remember the title? Oh, I know that one. We'll wait. Oh, my God. In fact, I think it was...
31:54Sean Hayes:I remember that one, too. Yeah, what was it originally called? With Armisen's in that, too, right? Is that the one in Charles Grodin? Yes. I couldn't act with him because he was too funny. It was released as The X.
32:04Will Arnett:Oh, that's right. But what was it called originally? I think it had a better name originally. What was the director's name?
32:08Sean Hayes:Jesse Peretz?
32:10Will Arnett:Yeah, Jesse Peretz. Look at me. I can't believe you know that. Look at you. I know. Well, Amy was in it, right? Amy was in it, yeah. Sean, you didn't see it? I tell my cue. I played an asshole in a wheelchair. What? And Amanda and I play... About a week away from that. We play... We... we play ex-boyfriend-girlfriend or kind of I wanted you to be my girlfriend back in the day, but now we meet up later in life and we were on cheer team together when I wanted you to be my girlfriend. Oh my God, Sean laughs. Yeah. Wow, Sean. There's a moment in the film where I'm in my wheelchair and we see each other and I go, hey, dude.
32:55Will Arnett:And I say, hey, remember the move? and I lift you up over my head with one arm as a seat. You're sitting on my hand up over my head as I'm sitting in the chair. We did that for real, didn't we? Or were you on cables? I feel like we may have done it for real. Cables, why? Because your hand, your arm.
33:19Sean Hayes:I mean, I've seen your nearly atrophied arms. I don't think that's pathetic.
33:24Will Arnett:Yeah, I couldn't do that with my children. But I feel like we may have. No, we rehearsed over and over again. How did it happen? We did that for real, didn't we? Yeah, we did.
33:35Sean Hayes:You mean there weren't a couple of grips wearing green suits holding her? Nowadays, they'd have to. Yes.
33:45Will Arnett:But it was... That was very fun. Yeah, Charles Grodin. I love Charles Grodin. And then we did Identity Thief. Yes. Remember that one? I sure do. Oh, identity theme. The thing I remember about that the most is Amanda breastfeeding Mapes in the hotel. Yes. Yeah. That's what I remember. Jason's Amanda, not you.
34:07Sean Hayes:Again, says a lot about your acting, JB. That's what she remembers. Yeah. That's a great, that was a great movie.
34:16Will Arnett:I love that identity theme. Yeah, it's a great movie. So much fun on that. Ms. McCarthy crushing it. All right. Let's get back to the beginning. Let's roll through this a little bit. We're going to pick up the pace here. We're doing so much time bullshit.
34:30Sean Hayes:Meta, you grew up in New York City. You were born in New York, grew up in New York.
34:35Will Arnett:Mm-hmm.
34:35Sean Hayes:Right? Went to school in New York. Born and raised. Where did you grow up? In the city? In Manhattan? In Manhattan, yeah. Oh, wow. 11th and 5th. Oh, look at that.
34:45Will Arnett:What is the most New York thing that is still a part of your everyday behavior? Ooh, that's a good question. What do you think you—because you lived there for a while. I'm working here! Right, yeah. What would be the thing that that city gifted you in your persona? Psychoanalysis, of course. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's looking inside over there. Bagels. Yeah, when you leave New York City, what do you miss the most? Just the whole McGillicuddy. The subway, the rubbing shoulders with other people. Yeah. Where are you right now? That was by mistake, by mistake. I meant it. Oh, God. I'm in the bedroom.
35:34I mean, are you in New York or Los Angeles? Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Jesus. I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah, we live in Los Angeles now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:42Will Arnett:All right, so you're starting out. JB, are we on a snack break? I'm sorry. That's the last bite. I thought I moved the microphone far enough away. I apologize.
35:52Sean Hayes:What is happening? So you grew up in New York, and you say to your parents, and your parents are a million miles from showbiz and you go, hey, I think I'm going to be an actor.
36:02Will Arnett:Now, were you doing any sort of jobs before you got started that maybe you could say, well, but this has kind of taken off for me and I won't have to be doing X anymore? No. I was doing school plays. I did all the school plays. And because I went to a tiny Quaker school, I was, you know, one of the best singers there, which is saying nothing. Right. And it was a short order, not a tall order. And then as soon as I got to college, I sort of walked in confidently to all these auditions and I never got a single play. I auditioned for 20 plays. Oh, wow. Really? It was as if they had already decided they already had their own clique.
36:54Sean Hayes:Yeah, they were like, no, no, no, these parts are reserved for people who are good. But were you not studying drama?
36:59Will Arnett:Did you, but what? I took a teenage acting class that my mom found for me starting when I was 13 too, as well as being in psychoanalysis. No, but what about college?
37:09Sean Hayes:Where was that, where was that, where was that, where was that acting school when you were 13? That was, that was at HB Studios. So eventually my teacher. HB Studios. Yes. What's that? Yeah, it's a lot of actors get their starting. So eventually my teacher said, you know, you really need to study with Uta Hagen. And so my junior year at college, I auditioned for Uta Hagen.
37:29Will Arnett:Now, what about in college, were you studying drama? No, I was studying American history. Yeah. So never went into the drama program. Because I bet if you joined the drama program, they might have felt obligated to put you in a play. There wasn't a drama program. What's happening, Sean? That's Scotty. Oh, that was Scotty?
37:48Sean Hayes:He's just striking the set. He's just striking the set. He said he's just striking the set.
37:59Will Arnett:All right, so then you start auditioning. Well, okay, so college starts to beat you up a little bit and tax your confidence.
38:05Sean Hayes:And meanwhile, you're like, I auditioned for 20 plays. I'm not getting anything. This is for me. Like, what's that? Yeah, good point. Did you go out and get an agent?
38:13Will Arnett:How did you start auditioning? I hadn't really admitted it quite yet. I still think. And I had, it's almost like, you know, what people say, like, you know, like a self-hating Jew or something like that. I was like a self-hating actor. I couldn't quite admit that I wanted to actually do this as more than a hobby. And was it the same for you, Sean? Oh, no, I'm just in rapture. Oh, I thought you were like, yes, I relate to that. Yeah. No, I'm just like, yeah. Oh, no, Sean was a prodigy. No, no, I mean a little bit, yeah. Well, you know, when you're young, you never think you're good. You know, like you're just like hanging on by a thread.
38:51I mean...
38:53Will Arnett:I've never been more confident than when I was young. And then I got old enough to realize, oh no, Jason, you're full of shit. But also because you worked all the time.
39:02Sean Hayes:Like I had a similar... I moved to New York and I didn't get anything for years. Like why the fuck did I keep doing it? Nobody wanted to hire me for anything.
39:09Will Arnett:But Amanda, you went out... But Amanda, at some point you went out and got an agent, right? You started auditioning? Yeah, so then once I was in Uta's class, I was in an adult class at age 18. And so people had headshots and agents and they taught me what's Backstage Magazine, but also the Ross Reports where you could look up, there was a little booklet and it had every agent in New York City. And I just would start crossing them out and I would take the subway and go to make a day. Make submissions. Yeah, and I would go in person with like full makeup. Yeah, you had to. You wanted it. Right? and flip my headshot under the thing.
39:46Will Arnett:And they'd be like, thank you. We got it. Stop pushing it under the door. Stop pushing it. Yeah, we don't take unsolicited headshots.
39:55Sean Hayes:You know what? I've never told anybody this story. This is absolutely true. When I was like 23 and I had like a headshot, it was just terrible. And like nothing, a fake resume. Did you look worse than you look now?
40:08Will Arnett:Can you put your hands through your hair, please? Sorry. Fix it.
40:10Sean Hayes:It's off your forehead. There you go. Thank you. It's a cute pet head. And I went up to 30 Rock. This was before the advent of like high security and stuff. And I went to 30 Rock. And I went, it might have been even 92. And I went in and I got on the elevator and I went up and I put my resume on the desk at 8H. At SNL? At SNL. Honey, not everybody knows what fucking 8H is.
40:36Will Arnett:I'm sorry. To be a spoken by Studio 60. I actually didn't know that. And have they called?
40:43Sean Hayes:So you thought you were funny. I don't know. I mean, you're right. But I just, I didn't mean. But talk about confident and unwarranted. So you wanted to be on SNL early. I thought about it, but I had no, I didn't do a sketch or anything. Anyway, this interview is not about me, but I did go and do that same thing. I went and I put the thing on, embarrassingly enough, and I walked in. I just had this image of me sliding my, just like you said, Amanda, sliding my headshot and resume underneath the door, waiting three seconds, and it just comes right back.
41:12With a bunch of piss on it.
41:15Sean Hayes:No, just a big Sharpie on the outside of the envelope. And you guys, not only that, but eventually, so I auditioned for agents. I did monologues in their offices, and eventually I got repped, and the teen rep walked me to the corner of 57th and 7th with one of her colleagues and said, and she was saying, congratulations, we want to rep you, sort of giving me the lay of the land and then was like, and the other thing, we just wanted to know, so for your, you have a little bit of, you got a, we got a mustache a little bit here. We're just wondering what can we do about that? Oh my God. What? Oh my God.
41:57Wait, was she right? She was right.
41:59Sean Hayes:Really? Oh my God. Wait a second. So how old are you? Name her, but what agency? What agency was that? It was STE at the time. It became paradigm. How old? Right. I was 18. 19? You were 18. 19.
42:13Will Arnett:And you had a little bit of a fuzz there. Wow. I think it must have been more than a fuzz because I've seen a fuzz. Okay. What was the strategy on removal? Was it bleaching or waxing? She's like, no, watch this. I'm going to grow it out. Take that. What was the strategy? JB wants to get it. No, I want an answer to that. Did we bleach it or did we wax it? We did everything. We did nair. We did bleach. We did fucking, you fucking name it, I did it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that something? I would pay so much money to see my face, like, and see myself try to handle that. Yeah.
42:54Sean Hayes:Uh-huh. And be like, oh, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.
42:56Will Arnett:Was that, so the -
42:57Sean Hayes:I had an agent recommend a nutritionist to me once. Oh. Yeah. And I was like - This was last week? Got it. That was about 18 months ago. under the guise of it did a lot for me and I was like cool
43:11Will Arnett:hey um I I had I had a I had a a really big shot agent not too long ago pitch to uh another person that I work with uh say hey uh if it's ever appropriate um uh and you feel like you can kind of squeeze it into the to to the conversation ask Jason if he'd ever consider highlights I mean, he's more like, if he had highlights, it would really open things up for sort of like real sexy kind of leading man. And I was like, motherfucker. Wait, agent or studio exec? No, no, agent. King, king agent. And did you do it or no? No, I did not, Shawnee. I have not colored my hair since the incredible Frank Stallone vehicle Philly Boy on CBS in 1990.
44:00Sean Hayes:You have so few grays, too. You have so few greys. It's so annoying. I know it is annoying.
44:06Will Arnett:I do feel like they're coming. There are a few that are trying to fight their way. Okay, so wait. Now, so you get this note about the stash. You're addressing it. You're feeling like, yes, this is great. This is a good thing. Or wait a second. Is that what this business is going to be? My feelings are hurt. I'm not getting a lot of stuff. Even though I just got a new record, I should quit. Did you ever feel like quitting at any moment in your career? I think more later. I think it was more later. I think that— Because the opportunities weren't what you wanted or it was just like, oh, I'm good.
44:40Will Arnett:I have nothing left to prove to myself. I've had incredible success and next. It sure wasn't that, Jason. Well, it could be. I've had incredible success. Well, guess what. I'm going to go rest on my laurels now.
44:51Sean Hayes:I completed everything. Take another look. Yeah, I think, well, you know, like once I started writing a little bit and when I was shooting the chair, which, you know, when I was behind the camera and all the ladies like Sandra Oh and everyone had to get there earlier and I could roll in in my snow pants with my mustache and my hair and just be, but still be the boss. I was like, this is fucking great. What have I been doing this whole time?
45:23Will Arnett:Right. And then, yeah, that's okay. So then the latter. And it's really fun to have, you know, to have last cut, final cut. Right. Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about how did The Chair come into your orbit? So, folks, she was the creator, the writer, the showrunner for the Netflix series called The Chair starring Sandra Oh. And so was this, how did it come to you? Tell us about that. Because I went to Friends in Manhattan on 16th Street, and there was a teacher who was there when I was there who was really lovely. And in the New York Times, it was in the New York Times, there was a huge mishigas because he was in a math class, and he was pointing to something, and he made a Nazi salute joke.
46:16Who's he? It was the teacher. and it became at Friends Seminary at my Quaker school this huge controversy.
46:24Will Arnett:Friends is a school. Friends is a school. Manhattan Friends is a Quaker school.
46:28Sean Hayes:Okay. And it was the beginning of - You're broke. Your love life's DOA. Right, yeah. You know. I can't believe they still go there, all those six friends. Go ahead.
46:38Will Arnett:Jen's gonna figure it out. Sorry, go ahead. I like this idea of having a woman of color who was the boss of a white dude who transgresses. And it was sort of the beginning of cancel culture and all that stuff. And I knew this teacher to be a lovely, kind, Quaker-leaning human being. Yeah. And the fact that he's, you know, incited this whole controversy, I thought, this is such a good story. What can I ask? What's a Quaker? I mean, I know what a Quaker is. I know what Quaker oats are. Yeah. Yeah, they make great oats. That's all I know. But what's a Quaker school? What does it mean? You know, it's a Christian denomination, but I feel like they're the greatest.
47:22They really take the word literally. So, you know, there's no priesthood. You know, in a Quaker meeting house, anyone is allowed regardless of your religion. There's no priesthood because the idea is nobody is closer to God than anybody else.
47:40Will Arnett:Oh, got it. It's called a popcorn meeting when someone stands up and speaks. because anyone - Also great fiber. Yeah. If you want to talk about a denomination that's got colon health, you need to go no further. Oh, was I getting boring? Was I getting like - Yeah, that's our job. We got to pop it in every once in a while. Yeah, yeah. Hey, but - Poop, farts, mustaches. You got to do it. We're just dumb dudes. Hey, what about - What made you think that you could be the boss? Nothing. Yeah. The writer. Yeah. The showrunner.
48:09Sean Hayes:Yeah, what made you think?
48:12Will Arnett:Everyone would love to - God damn thing. would like to have their own show on Netflix. I mean, like how great. Well, first of all, I watched David and Dan do it. Yeah, and you were like, Jesus, these two guys can, yeah. Holy shit. Exactly. No, I was like, oh my God, I better not fuck this up. I think it's just like love of actors. That was it. That was like my starting point. Scary though, right? Because clearly an immense writing talent and we're going to get into that. But like where did the writing talent go? come from? You didn't study it in school. I did. You did? Okay. Yeah. American history and, and American.
48:51Well, I just took a lot of creative writing classes and then acting just sort of took over, but I was always kind of dabbling. And then I think when I married David, he was really encouraging. When Studio 60 got canceled, he was like, take a step. Let's go.
49:10Will Arnett:Especially you. And And that was Aaron Sorkin, wasn't it? So you had just been under that. I mean, my God, those scripts. So wait, all right, while we're on the writing thing, let's talk about this incredible essay that was just published by The New Yorker a couple of weeks ago. If you haven't read it or looked for it, do so. It is, I mean, you tell me, Amanda, And is this not the equivalent of an Oscar for an actor? To be a writer and to get published in The New Yorker is the zenith of accomplishments. Yes? Lost my mind. I can't wait to read this. What's the name of the article? It doesn't have a name.
49:58It's, um... But what would you name it? No, I mean, like, how do I find it? Just Amanda Peete, New Yorker? Yeah. Oh, there's a start.
50:06Will Arnett:Yeah. Have you ever used the internet? Sorry, I should just say. I have read it, and it is, not only is it an incredible piece of writing, but the subject matter, it is nonfiction. It is about our guest and her family and mortality. And tell them the rest of it if you're comfortable, because it is just stunning. It's stunning, and it left me with real wet cheeks at the end. Thank you, JB. And I mean facial cheeks.
50:42Will Arnett:Sorry, I need to be clear. Will, where is your finger digger?
50:46Sean Hayes:I know, it's so far away. You missed it. Hang on a second. Jason, just say facial cheeks.
50:52Will Arnett:And I ended with real wet cheeks afterwards. Facial cheeks.
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54:15Will Arnett:Amanda, tell us about some of the things that are revealed in this. I mean, deeply, deeply personal. Well, so on the Friday of Labor Day weekend, this last Labor Day weekend, I went to my breast surgeon. I have what's known as dense and busy breasts.
54:39Will Arnett:Guys, I'm not going to hit that softball. I'll leave that to you guys. Keep your finger dinger nearby.
54:45Sean Hayes:I feel like you were looking at my search history. Okay.
54:57No, you guys, for real, it's a real thing. I'm sure. And it means you have to get tested all the time. Do you mind telling me, because I'm super into medical stuff, what is that condition? I guess it just means that on screens, it's hard to detect cancer. Okay. because I guess it's a little bit like a forest or something. I don't know. But there's like too many, it's too dense and busy. Like vascular and cardiovascular kind of things. Yeah. But all jokes aside, that's scary. That's a scary... Yeah, so I was used to going, I go all the time. I go every six months. I get ultrasounds as well as mammograms.
55:36And so she found something on the Friday of Libre Day weekend and right before I left, she said I said to her do you think if you were a betting woman what would you say and she said I think it's cancer so I went home you had to wait for the results so then she said she was going to walk it over to Cedars because it was a holiday weekend I was like I talk about Xanax so I came home and then the next day David went down to San Diego while we were waiting to hear from the doctor because the kids had a soccer tournament and my sister called and told me that my dad was about to die. So I flew to New York and my poor sister had just dropped her last kid off at college and So she's in a great mood.
56:27So she was dealing with a lot of closure and loss and so my dad passed away and I'm so sorry. Thank you. The essay is really, really funny.
56:40Will Arnett:It actually It really is. This is her superpower. It has the most devastating things in it and the most hilarious stuff in the middle. It's really something to watch. I can't wait to read it. So anyway, when I got on the plane to come back to LA to get ready to get all the tests and go through the whole process of having breast cancer, I was like, surely I can write about this. surely this is a weekend from hell that there's gotta, it's gotta be. But you're not thinking New Yorker. You're thinking just sort of a cathartic kind of let me just journal. Yeah, I wasn't thinking that far ahead. I was just like, this can't be that common.
57:22I mean, not that like I, you know. The weekend from hell. Yeah, the weekend from hell was sort of what I was thinking.
57:27Will Arnett:Yeah. And meanwhile, my mom was also in hospice. So both my parents were in hospice at the exact same time. Jesus Christ. You know, I just... It's all this past year. Just now. Six months. Yeah, just now. Yeah, six months. And I was very lucky. Everything's, you know, I'm clear. I did radiation.
57:44Sean Hayes:I was extremely lucky. The cancer they found. It was cancer? It was cancer, yeah, yeah. I'm so sorry. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So I was, like I said, like very, very lucky.
57:56Will Arnett:No one knew this, right? I mean, it is in the article is your first mention, first time you've gone public with this, yes? Yeah, I think because, you know, So we didn't tell the kids right away because, you know, Frankie, we had dropped Frankie off at college the week before. So we, and as some people know this, but cancer, most types of cancer, it takes a while to find out where you are. Like what is your treatability? What kind of breast cancer do you have? How big is your tumor? And that tells you how to treat it. Yeah. And, you know, I found out later, now I know so much more about breast cancer, and other cancers too.
58:35I mean, there are types of pediatric leukemia where you don't find out for a year whether you have a treatable course. But the waiting is insane making.
58:48Will Arnett:It's just insane making. So yeah, we didn't want to tell the kids for a while until we knew whether I was going to do chemo and what the course of treatment was going to be. So I wanted to keep it a secret because I wasn't even telling my children. So, yeah. Wow. And then your dad passed while you were waiting for the... While he was on the plane, yeah. While you were on the plane there. He actually passed, yeah. But you got there in time to say goodbye. Yes. Yeah, it's all in the article. It's the essay. It's like, it's so well written. So wait. So then now you get home, you're starting your treatments, your mom, you're being a saint, she's living with you in hospice.
59:40Yeah, Jason has come and seen my mom many times. So she, yeah, she was single. My parents got divorced and she was single and living in New York. And so she has Parkinson's disease. So once she was wheelchair-bound, we, David being, all jokes aside, the mensch to end all mensches, moved my mom here and we took her in. So she was living here for the last seven years.
1:00:03Will Arnett:I mean, your stuff that you write about, your connections with her right there at the end, or just everything. That's so beautiful.
1:00:11Sean Hayes:I had no idea all these years that your mom was living with you. You never talked about it in any way.
1:00:17Will Arnett:And you're like managing this, you know, vibrant career that is, after all these years, even more vibrant and...
1:00:27Sean Hayes:Writing and doing stuff. And you're shooting that show in New York, right? You're shooting your show with Ham in New York at the same time. Yeah, shooting with Ham, yeah. They were really lovely. like last summer when my, before I found out I had breast cancer, Tropper and Jon Hamm were very beautiful about my mom being in hospice and letting me go back and forth all the time. Like I have very special bosses, I have to say. Well, this is really amazing because every time, I didn't know any of this was going on. So every time I see you, I always laugh. I was such a great time with you. Same here.
1:01:04And you're always so positive and have so much light about you and around you. It's the Xanax, you guys.
1:01:12Sean Hayes:No, it's not down or drippy. No, it's like you're always laughing and having fun.
1:01:18Will Arnett:She does a sidecar of Ritalin as well. Sidecar. Sidecar of Ritalin. It's true, though.
1:01:26Sean Hayes:I really want a sidecar of Ritalin. She is the light. She is sunshine. You're such a joy. like it's just amazing that to know what just like just goes to show you have no idea what anybody's going through at any point yeah i think my mom thank you first of all but yeah my mom is um is that way like very jewish sense of humor like very do you were asking about what i miss about new york like she has that very new yorky sharp neurotic jew sharp witty um sense of humor and throughout her Parkinson's, you know, I mean, it's a horrible disease. I know you guys probably know a little bit about it and she never really lost her sense of humor.
1:02:09Sean Hayes:That's amazing. Never, never. Great. So I have a good model for, as Carrie Fisher said, always look for the humor. Yeah.
1:02:18Will Arnett:Yeah, for sure. All right, so we're going to take a look at that essay for sure. Are we going to a clip? Yeah, it did sound like you were about to go to a clip. For the folks who don't know how to read and just enjoy their dose of Amanda Peet on the screen, they've been enjoying your friends and neighbors quite a lot.
1:02:44Sean Hayes:Yeah.
1:02:45Will Arnett:As I would imagine. As I did. You are too, Amanda, notwithstanding the hours spent with Jon Hamm. because that can be tough. You know, this guy. That would be trying. He's a nightmare. Let's face it. Let's face it. Yeah. Well, you know, maybe this is, people catch on. People catch on and we'll finally be rid of them. But until then, you guys are great on this show. The second season is coming up here in the spring, as well as your new film. Let's talk about your new film. It's called Fantasy Life. released March 27th. You are a producer. You're so cute. You are a producer on that and also the co-star and you were awarded, what were you awarded for that?
1:03:39Will Arnett:Hold on, I don't want you to have to say it yourself here. I believe it was some sort of special award at South by Southwest. The film won the audience award as well. I mean, this is, and I saw it the other night and it's effing great. It's a real, naturalistic, you know, let's put it this way. If you loved Will Arnett's film, and I know all of our listeners did, you will love this film too. It's got a lot of the same really great naturalistic sort of texture to it, if you will. No one's swinging for the fences with some like watch my performance crap. It's really effortless quality. When does it come out, Amanda?
1:04:21Will Arnett:I was swinging for the fences. with a literal bat. You never ask the audience to watch your performance. You're never screaming. Like, hey, look at me act. It's so easy to watch. I'm screaming deep inside. Look at me act. Whatever it is, it's working. Deep inside. Was that a great sense of accomplishment? Because you've been doing great work on, this is what, your first film in 10 years. Was that important for you to get back to movies? Is that true? People keep saying that. Can I just say something? Yeah. It's not like I chose to not work in a movie for 10 years. I just couldn't get arrested.
1:05:00Will Arnett:Yeah, but you're no longer, you know, pushing your headshots under doors and stuff. I mean, as you said, you've got this healthy, sexy indifference, guys. Yeah. And you're busy doing things that are a little bit more important to you, I would imagine. Yes? Honestly, it's really just, is the writing good? And in this particular case, this indie writer came to me with this idea of, this was before Baby Girl, it's basically like a sort of upper crust mom who has. This is Matthew Scheer? The upper crust mom, yeah. Yes, but Matthew Scheer, it's like she has an affair with the Manny, basically. She hires a Manny for her kids.
1:05:47Yes. And when I read the script on about page 15, this neurotic, speaking of neurotic Jews from New York, he has a scene with his shrink where he's talking about his OCD with Judd Hirsch, and he's having these self-hating Jew intrusive thoughts where he sees a Jewish guy on the subway with a big nose like David, and he says, hook nose, hook nose, hook nose, and he thinks he's going to say it out loud. And I was like, well, this is brilliant. I want to do this. Oh, wow. It was just so fucking funny. That you were sold. It's really a lot funnier than how I'm pitching it right now.
1:06:28Will Arnett:No, but again, it's not asking for laughs. It's really tasteful. Alessandro Nival is in it with you as well. How funny is he? Yeah, he's great. Yeah, he's great. Wait, when does it come out? March 27th.
1:06:41Sean Hayes:March 27th.
1:06:43Will Arnett:Which I believe has already passed. We're doing this a little bit ahead of time. But yeah, we're... No, I know that, obviously. It's in theaters now. Go out there and grab it, y 'all.
1:06:56Will Arnett:Now, what is my next question? Here I come. I'm coming down the plate here. I know. JB, just go off script a little bit.
1:07:03Sean Hayes:Just, you know, what do you do for fun? Well, you know what she does for fun. Yeah. Dense and busy. Dense and busy. Dense and busy. Oh, no, that's what Will does for fun. Wait, Amanda, what does the rest of the day look like today? No, that's a great question.
1:07:18Will Arnett:Yeah, let's do that one.
1:07:22This is the most hard-hitting journalism. You guys, I'm so boring. No, you're not. Are you out of your mind? I'm really boring. No, I want to know. I want to know because I want... First of all, I didn't know anything that you've gone through in this past six months or a year. And now I want to know, like, what do you do all day? Because the kids are away, right? What do you do all day? You're about to start,
1:07:42Will Arnett:are you about to start press for both the film and the show? Yes. And is that something that you like? Do you like going out there and doing all the chat and giggles? What do you guys think? I feel like when you're proud of it. It all depends on sleep. If I slept, I'm great. I'm game to do anything. If I'm tired, I don't want to do it. Do you have trouble sleeping? Let's talk about sleep because. Yeah. I think as you get older and smarter and the brain works better and there's more stuff to think about, sleeping gets harder. Yes. And I just read somewhere that it used to be... By red, you mean TikTok.
1:08:17Uh-huh. It's on TikTok.
1:08:23By the way, it's true. I think I did see it on TikTok. Where you sleep... It used to be hundreds of years ago, people only slept for three or four hours, got up, and then there was a second sleep. Yeah. Says who? TikTok.
1:08:37Sean Hayes:That is true. Yeah. He's right. And then, so that's... kind of what happens to me. I sleep for a little bit. There was a time in New York, you can look it up, where people used to go and they'd walk around in the middle of the night. It would be, I remember reading this, there was a book about it, about these, and people would walk around sort of at like 1am and there'd be like a kind of a nightlife that people, sort of before the advent of widespread electric bulbs and all that kind of, and that people would go to sleep earlier and then often wake up in the night and they would have like a reprieve from their sleeping?
1:09:08Sean Hayes:I am definitely looking that up. Go for it. Are you guys, are you ruminators? When you wake up, how do you keep your brain from being like, death? We're all gonna die. Catastrophic thinking. Do you have catastrophic thinking? Yeah. You do. I mean, I've been, I've, yeah. But so how do you stop yourself, Sean, when you, so you have two sections of sleep with a thing in the middle. So what, are you able to put your phone away? No, no. I play games or I'll read or do whatever on my computer you know like I'll look I'll read stuff that I find interesting but most of the time I'll play games but doesn't the blue light because it's mind numbing didn't people tell you not to put the blue light I have glasses that that's softened the blue light
1:09:53Will Arnett:so that's a great look you've got the glasses on the CPAP and the and then you got the what's it called the Beetlejuice what's it Jewel Heist what's the game you play Candy Crush Candy Crush That's hot. That is hot.
1:10:09Sean Hayes:But it's more about what that's doing, sort of firing all those things in your brain instead of in that moment, if you were to wake up and pick up a book, you might find it easier to do. I know, but I don't know. Will is constantly pushing reading on this podcast. I'm sorry. Mostly about World War II, though. Not recently. No? World War I now? Or are we into Vietnam? Which direction are you going? The last, you know what? The last couple of weeks, I've been into more sort of modern noir. Okay. And I did one of those things. Anything like Pinot Noir? I said, what are the best modern noir books of the last 10 years?
1:10:43Sean Hayes:What did you say? And what'd they say? Yeah. And they sent me a list of books. Sean said Pinot Noir? And I just read a book. Uh-huh. Oh, sorry, Sean. Hang on. Sorry, Sean. A little late. A little late on the draw there. Wait, is that fiction or nonfiction? Fiction. It's been like sort of like crime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been interesting. I know it's so good that you read all that well. It's so good. Do you read a lot, Amanda? I try. Yeah, I try to read a lot. David reads a lot. David reads a lot. David and I have exchanged books. I know. We've handed each other books before. And now he's listening to The Rest is History.
1:11:18Do you know that podcast? Yes. He's obsessed. Yeah, it's very good. What is that? It's really fun. I feel like you would - What is it, like an audio book or something? It's a podcast. And they talk about history, but in a very accessible, hilarious way. For dum-dums like me. For dum-dums like me. Yeah, like I'm doing the one on Iran right now.
1:11:38Sean Hayes:Oh, wow. And they're so, they're, Will, don't you think they're so funny? Yeah, very, very interesting.
1:11:43Will Arnett:They're not as funny as you guys, but they're funny. But where do people have the time to listen to podcasts? On the finger dinger. Or even in the car.
1:11:51Sean Hayes:You do the finger dinger.
1:11:52Will Arnett:I'm watching the news when I'm on the finger.
1:11:54Sean Hayes:But, JB, if you look, well, look at it this way. You dedicate, I'd say, 80 % of your time that you watch TV, which is about 80 % of your day is you're watching news. The other 20 you're watching sports. I keep waiting for him to get caught. No, no, no. My point is if you were to delegate some of that time
1:12:15Will Arnett:to listen to it.
1:12:16Sean Hayes:Sitting in a chair in a room with headphones on staring at the wall? No, while you're on the exercise machine. Or I do it in the car. Or in the car. Yeah, in the car. And listen to these guys. I think you'd find it pretty interesting.
1:12:28Will Arnett:But I can't finish it. My car rides are like 15, 20 minutes. Is that okay? You just pop in, pop out? That's good. I feel like I do that with them, especially if you're interested in one section. Will it hold my place? I don't want to have to start over when I get back in the car. Of course it will. I just take a screenshot of where I am, and that's how I know how many minutes have gone by, and then I return to it.
1:12:47Sean Hayes:Of course you do. You can probably do it in an easier way. I love that you do that. Boy, that says everything. Really? Yeah, that taught me a lot in a great way. I'm scared. No, no, no, no. It's very methodical, and I really appreciate that. Well, she's a Capricorn. I'm a Capricorn.
1:13:03Will Arnett:You know, we think shit through. Fuck that. I need to give a shout out to Amanda Anka and say that I'm a Capricorn, yeah. Yeah. What are you guys, Sean? She knows you're rising and you're whatever. No, she still needs more information, apparently, to tell me exactly what I am.
1:13:18Sean Hayes:I am cancer. How about that? Oh, wow. In every situation. Yeah. In every situation.
1:13:29Will Arnett:That, for me, for me, for me,
1:13:30Sean Hayes:I'm like a modern-day Fred Norris. I'm like a low-rent Fred Norris from Howard. Wait, Sean, what's your rising?
1:13:37Will Arnett:I don't know what that means. Okay, me neither. Will, what about you? Sean, you don't have a joke for what's rising in Sean? Taurus. Pants, something in my pants. Taurus.
1:13:46Sean Hayes:Taurus. Will, do you know what your rising is? I forget, but Amanda... She's got it all on us. She's got a full forecast for all of us. Amanda needs to be here so she could, yeah. She could tell us what's what in the coming months. You're right. I had to send Amanda Anka like a year ago or whatever, like what time. I had to ask my mom exactly what time of day I was born. I did all this stuff. She needed to have all this information.
1:14:10Will Arnett:She wanted to know if you were a good match for her or not.
1:14:13Sean Hayes:She already knew.
1:14:14Will Arnett:She knows. She already knew. Yet she's sticking with me. I love her so much. She better. And you want to know who else I love so much? Yeah. Who? The other Amanda in my life. Amanda Peet, today's guest. And we want to thank you for your hour. and eight minutes. We love you. We certainly do. I love you. I love all three of you so much. I love you so much too. We love your husband, your three kids, the whole thing. I love you. And your talent. Thank you, JB. So go out there, read that essay in The New Yorker, watch her movie Fantasy Life, watch her show Your Friends and Neighbors, and stay tuned for the next half of this incredible woman's career and life.
1:14:56Oh my God, I'm going to start crying. I'm going to cry.
1:14:58Will Arnett:I know. That was so nice. We love you. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you so much. I love you gentlemen so much. You're such a light. I'm going to hug you so hard when I see you. Is that what I said? Yeah. Promise us. Squeeze me. Squeeze me. Okay. Love you. All right. Bye. Love you guys. Bye.
1:15:16Sean Hayes:Love you too. Bye. Bye. Bye.
1:15:21Will Arnett:That was Amanda Peet. One of my dearest, longest friends. I know. One of my all-time faves. Yeah, right? Same. She's a great person. Super funny. Yeah, and like I said, she's always so bright. No one would ever know anything's going on ever. No. Not that that, like, you know, it's just somebody who knows how to... I know. Always walk in a room and light it up. Yeah, for sure. And on screen, too. Like, she's just always sort of ground stuff that I watch and always kind of elevates it, kind of smarts it up. You know what, JB?
1:15:51Sean Hayes:I have a recollection of before you guys were friends, before you'd worked together, that you always admired. You used to talk about her in this way, that she was for you like kind of the gold standard, and she was like one of those people you wanted to work with her really bad. Yeah. In the best way.
1:16:05Will Arnett:Yeah, Taya Leone was like that for me too. Oh, yeah. And still to this day. Like, I just think there's a, Julia Roberts is like that too. There's a strength and a style of humor and also of drama that, I don't know, they all kind of remind me of each other. Yeah. But yeah. She is a treasure. and Sean, right about now is when you start to say, hey guys, have you ever... I'm looking.
1:16:33Sean Hayes:Do you remember the time that I... Do you remember?
1:16:36Will Arnett:Hey guys, do you want to know what my favorite film of hers was? And then he kind of works it in that way. I'm coming. Oh God, wait. We're going to cut out this pause and I'm waiting. Oh, are we? Yeah. You know, that David Benioff, Husband of Hers, You know, that's, they've got kind of like a dual, it's a double barrel shotgun over there of talent and accomplishments. And they're sort of, you know. Yeah. Sorry. You know what? You know. Yeah. I thought that'd be a great tea up there for one of you guys. I know. Wait, yes. Oh God, we've got a caller. A caller is, oh, you know, one of my favorite jobs that I've ever done.
1:17:27Will Arnett:And Amanda Peet happened to be in it. We talked about it earlier. A real treat. Yeah. My friend, my favorite, Amanda Peet, played my wife in Bidentity Thief. Bidentity Thief. That was pretty good. Smart. Nice.
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