"Andrew Garfield"

15:47Sean Hayes:Jay, you know, your wife loves him Laybreaking And He was in the English Version of when they did The Bridge, that Swedish-Danish show And they made it called The Tunnel It was a UK-French co-pro I like saying co-pro It makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about For sure I remember talking about him with Amanda And just both of us just going like This guy is amazing

16:14Will Arnett:Did you find him, Jay? The tunnel, the TV series? Yeah, because your spelling on Delane was terrible. How much more time do we have? No, it's Dill, like Dill Pickle. Guys, welcome Stephen Delane.

16:27Will Arnett:Here he is. I've got it. Andrew, how good's your Stephen Delane impression? There he is. Oh, no, I'm not much of a fan of this guy. No. Oh, shit.

16:42Will Arnett:Could you imagine after all that? See, guys, I had to make it worth it. No, he's a rock star. I see what you're saying. Yes, yes. This is a guy, you see him in any project, you're like, oh, we're in good hands here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's amazing. Well, but you know, I was going to wait to the end to talk about this, Andrew, but since we're talking about projects. We are at the end now after all of that. Stephen's a leg in Google search. Exactly. No, but two projects I thought are really, really cool. One is by a friend of mine you called Wild Things, where you play Roy of Siegfried and Roy. John Hoffman.

17:18Are you friends with John? Yeah, John Hoffman, yep. Love John Hoffman. He's the best.

17:22Will Arnett:Oh, wow, yeah. You just finished working with Jude. Yeah, we just did. You play Siegfried and Roy, which is awesome. Yeah, I'm excited about it. It's, as you imagine, and more. It's like more is more is more is more with those two. You know, with the gay German magicians in the desert with the tigers and the lions. That old story. That old classic tale, that old myth that's been told time and again. But fucking hell, these guys were truly nuts. Well, the guy I play was truly insane, Roy Horn. He was the tiger magician, but literally believed and was convinced and maybe truly did have some spiritual connection to his tigers, to animals generally.

18:10Did you use real animals? No, no, no. We're not legally allowed to do that. I did feed a tiger with my hand. Yeah. I don't know. All right. That's like all I've got.

18:21Sean Hayes:Wait, did you, was one of them mauled? Forgive me. Yeah, of course. Yeah, no, you're forgiven. You're forgiven. We don't say mauled. We don't say mauled, though. Well, we say there was an incident. There was a thing that happened. There was an event.

18:35Will Arnett:Was it your character that had the event? Yeah, Roy, Roy, yeah. The guy who had the magical connection. Jason. Jason. Jason. Jason. Jason. He ate his face off or something, didn't he? Oh, Sean. Oh, sorry. I just read that he ate his face off. Creating new myths. No, sorry. There was an incident. So what's remarkable about it is, I know, of course I'm defending him because I feel like I am his representative on this earth. So 40 years he worked with these animals and there was no incident with him ever. And there was one night in 2003 where the tiger went tiger and decided for whatever reason that night that he was going to bite down on his master's neck and drag him to his cage.

19:25And there's lots of different kind of theories about why a tiger is a tiger. You have no idea. But there are lots of theories. And one of the things that the show explores is why on this particular night did things go wild. But he survived it. His face is intact. But then he died during COVID. He recovered. He did lots of rehab. They got back on stage with the Tigers. They were savage. They were just these incredible gay German warrior magicians. They were some of the strongest. Roy particularly was this kind of, I don't know, monster. He was an amazing, amazing man.

20:08Will Arnett:Wow. Oh, I can't wait to see that. Wait, but Andrew, you're also playing. And then, by the way, then we'll be done because you have 18 other projects, which is really exciting. But you're playing artificial. You play Sam Altman in a movie. Was he on the yacht with you, Jason? Was Sam on the yacht? He was on a boat nearby. Yeah. So for Tracy, Sam Altman created ChatGPT. He created OpenAI. And so that's really cool, man. I mean, that's going to be a really great story. That's the Luca Guadagnino. You got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm nervous about that one. I'm really scared about that one. What, about the backlash?

20:44Well, yeah, I mean, like, you're playing one of arguably... You guys take a point of view on it? I mean, I hope we've taken a point of view on it, and it will be, you know, seen, and people will have their own opinions about it. But, yeah, I mean, like, playing one of arguably the most powerful people on this planet right now or interpretation of whoever this person... I have no idea. I've never met Sam Altman. and I don't know anything about the interior of his soul. I just had to do something. I had to interpret what I understood, what I saw, what I read, what my imagination gave me, what the script gave me.

21:21But it's like he could definitely, he probably has hacked my phone, and he probably is observing every move I make.

21:28Will Arnett:Does the film take a position that this is something either ominous or something that is positive?

21:41I think it focuses on him getting kind of ousted from the company and then back in it. Yeah, that's part of it. I think I would hesitate to kind of preamble. I kind of want people to watch it and to find their position. I hope we're not villainizing anyone or making anyone into a hero. I hope it's what Lucasfilms do. He gets into the gray area of what it is to be human, obviously. Don't you think it's wild? You're going to be part of that, and you're part of the other kind of big tech movement with Social Network, which you were great in. Do you want to tell Will and Jason, or do you want me to tell Will and Jason what a woman once...

22:25Just tell me.

22:25Sean Hayes:Don't tell Jason. What a woman once tweeted about your laptop smashing scene. I'm happy for you to share this. Okay. I mean, it's something like she wanted you to smash your laptop on her tits or something. Oh, yeah. Wow, I got to rewatch that. Yeah. Is that it?

22:46Will Arnett:Hang on, let me pull that up real quick. I mean, that's insane. We know how fast you are at Google. My dial-up service is not what it was. Wait, she tweeted that she wanted to smash her. Then she was serious. And then you met her. No way. Yeah, that's great. Come on. She showed up at a Q &A. And she was holding a sign saying, I'm the one that wants you to smash a laptop on my tits.

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27:16And now back to the show.

27:20Will Arnett:So wait, so that is a particularly, Now, Social Network is one of my favorite movies. Me too. I don't recall a particularly memorable level of hotness while you're destroying a laptop. Was there? Did you do it in like a hot way? I guess it's subjective, and I guess it's not something that you're into, Jason, and that's okay. Was your top off or something when you did it? No, it was just full of a powerful justice seeking. Fincher didn't say, Fincher wasn't like,

27:50Sean Hayes:hey, you're going to smash the laptop. Hey, let's go tarps off on this one, huh? Hey, Garfield, you're going to go tarps off on this, eh? Can you get your nips hard real quick? Let's roll. Let's roll, eh? Can we get some ice for Andrew? Yeah, let's roll, eh? Let's get this fired up here. Let's go tarps off on Garfield on one. Let's tarps off. There's no way that David Fincher would have been as successful as he is if he was Canadian. There's no way. There's no way. I'm realizing that in real time. Wait, what about... But Jason, have you not seen the outtake of Andrew doing... And I'm not even kidding.

28:26How many cakes and how many laptops did you smash? No, I haven't seen that. I think it was, I don't know, 30, 40. I don't know. It was a lot. 30 laptops smashed. 30 laptops, yeah. Yeah, you ever been to those rage rooms? You ever done like a rage room where you get like a baseball bat and you get given a bunch of shit to smash up? No. Wait, where are those? You have, Sean? No, I mean, I know of it. I have never. I want to smash stuff. Yeah, it's a great, it's a place that you can go. Sean, would you like Andrew to come over and,

28:55Sean Hayes:you have a couple laptops that need smashing up, don't you? And I have tips, so I'm all in. Hard drives need to be erased.

29:03Will Arnett:All right, but you did a family film that you're promoting now. And do you got any little, oh, wait, I've gotten into trouble asking this before. I was going to ask you if you have any kids. Am I allowed to ask that? How dare you? Honestly, how could you? What are you going to ask next? My age? What is this? I didn't think I was coming on the patriarchy podcast. The Handmaid's Tale fucking. It's my bad. I apologize. I'm 42 and I'm childless. And I'm not entirely proud of that. Like I would love to have kids. I would love to start a family. It's just not. You offered that. I didn't ask that. You kind of did.

29:46You kind of did.

29:47Will Arnett:But so, but because usually you hear about folks doing a family film because, well, you know, I do stuff my kids can't see. And so I want to finally do a movie that my kids can see. That's, that's usually the, the, the, the story you hear. Sounds just like, yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. This, you just, you love this book. Well, no, you know what? I love Simon Farnaby. I love those Paddington movies so much. And I've been like an advocate for that. I love those films. and Simon is just a great heartfelt comedy writer and I had been wanting to do something a little easier in a way to be honest is that okay to say?

30:25Yes I just kind of wanted to have a nice time

30:27Will Arnett:Instead of throwing potatoes at peasants and stuff you want to do something on a sound stage, right? I needed a break from throwing potatoes at peasants thank you so it's the first time I feel really understood Jason yeah, no, it was really lovely it was just a lovely time And it's heartfelt and it's about, you know, getting kids back in touch with themselves, with each other, with nature, with their own nature, with the family unit, with community. And, you know, it's not anti-technology, but there's a kind of like, a kind of awareness around how technology may or may not be screwing things up for us.

31:05And it's just lovely. And I have nephews and I have godkids. And there was something very sweet about making this film and having my friends who have young kids come and see it. And it was the best reviews I've ever had in my life. It was like, yeah, honestly, Will, it was like voice note after voice note after voice note of just raves from the 7, 8, 9, 10-year-olds that I have a connection with. It was honestly like, why have I done anything other than this up until now? Because this is so much more pleasurable.

31:39Sean Hayes:I have had that experience. You guys have too. When you do stuff that is more sort of family-oriented and whatever, the response is pretty rad. And when you meet a kid who's like super into something that you did, it's so much more gratifying.

31:53Will Arnett:We're just watching their minds get blown when they're introduced. Like, Will, I've been a million times you've done like Lego Batman voice for a young kid and they're like, wait, what? I don't understand. Like, their mind kind of breaks a little bit. Yeah.

32:04Sean Hayes:And sometimes people, you know, come up to you and you're with your kids and you're getting ice cream out here with my kids or whatever. And somebody comes up and wants to say, hey. But when it's a kid who comes up in that way and is like a big fan of, like, as you say, like Lego Batman or something, it is very gratifying. Really, really. In a different way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like when a kid comes up and says, I don't know. I have no idea who you are. Yeah, I don't know who you are. Andrew, when you did, you were a kid. Who do you think they thought you were? Right, Jason? Yes. Jason one time burned me the greatest burn that I'm super jealous of.

32:41Sean Hayes:I told this huge story about, we were on stage with Matt Damon, and I told this story about Brad Pitt, you know, complimenting this thing, and how psyched I was, blah, blah, blah, and I was like gushing like a little kid. And Jason paused, Jason goes, who do you think he thought you were? After getting a compliment from Brad Pitt? Yeah, which was so good. I'm so jealous of that burn. So, Andrew, tell me about growing up. You were born in Los Angeles, but how did you then grow up in England? Because you were born here. Yeah, my mom. My mom is from Essex, from England. She met my dad in London. And then my dad's from L.A.

33:19It's a longer story. We don't have time. We don't have time after the Stephen Delaney thing. um i uh i we um we uh yeah so they they met in london they my dad was from la he moved back to la with her had me and my brother and we were living in marina del rey in the 80s which was not marina del rey now yeah and uh my mother was a kind of small town girl from the outskirts of London, now suddenly in the middle of gang warfare and Marina Del Rey. And the Cheesecake Factory.

33:56Will Arnett:Let's not forget about that. Has the Cheesecake Factory been there since 83?

34:00Sean Hayes:And there was a Jerry's Deli, too. There was a nice Jerry's Deli there. Oh, wait. She painted a much more kind of brutal picture of Marina Del Rey. Calling my mother a liar? Is that what you're calling my mother a liar? We've heard. Jason, you pantsed me once in the parking lot of that Jerry's Deli. Well, you're going to wear sweatpants,

34:16Will Arnett:you're going to lose them. And I was wearing sweatpants. we paused outside the restaurant

34:21Sean Hayes:and then he pantsed me in the middle you're lucky I didn't tip you over afterwards either what year was this this was 2004 we were 34, 35 we were all hopped up from cake from the cheesecake factory and you weren't losers you were like cool guys I don't know what cool guys and then you did when you got into gymnastics I was in gymnastics too I was good at the pommel horse and the floor events and stuff. You're a pommel horse guy. Yeah, but I didn't stick with it.

34:56Will Arnett:But Sean, in a pinch, could you do a backward handspring, like a flip right now? I can do a round off of cartwheels now at this stage, but I could do all that stuff when I was younger, just for a little bit. Andrew, gun to your head right now, would you be able to do a half-assed floor exercise? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. No way. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd throw my back out, my knees would be fucked, and I'd be ruined.

35:20Sean Hayes:I'm sorry, just pay me a picture. Why is the gun to the head to do this? What is this? Some oligarch? Some oligarch is like, I have Andrew Godfield. You, boy. Do something, get this, do it. Do it. Fucking what? Should I end up in this scenario?

35:37Will Arnett:I'd lose my head. I would not be able to do much of anything. I don't think I'd be able to do a somersault. Yeah. Yeah, well, you could try. and then you left gymnastics your father became a swimming then you were swimming I'll finish the thing about so my mum basically was like I'm not, I don't want to be here anymore in LA, sorry to go back to that I felt like there was a I have a weird thing where there's a thread undone she got tired of the 90 freeway and she wanted to get out of there and she said are you coming, if not don't worry kind of thing and my dad was like we'll go back to England so I was raised in England and then yeah gymnastics and I love gymnastics.

36:17I really did. The first time I did a back handspring or a back somersault, I felt like I had unlocked some weird secret code to my body. It felt like flying. It was very, very cool. And then it became something, you know what happens when you're a kid and you're good at something and you have a father who is quite a competitive animal. it starts to become less fun because suddenly it's either a gold medal or you don't get love. No, not literally, but like in some kind. Yeah, for sure. I know what you mean. The guys are just kind of like laughing at me. We're all thinking about our own fathers.

36:58No, I know.

37:00Will Arnett:So then you stopped doing that because it got a bit too stressful. How soon after that did you find acting and was he supportive of that? Well, yeah, this is what's kind of beautiful is that we, so I was swimming for it. He was my swimming coach for a while. And again, that became another thing. And I kind of just let everything go when I was a teenager because, yeah, it's like one of my favorite movies. It's like the Truman Show. It felt like the Truman Show. I was like, if this is all there is, there has to be more. And I was being raised in a kind of small town in the south of England. And I didn't have any kind of idea that a life in the arts was a life to be had.

37:38I thought it would leave you destitute and just kind of on heroin. That was the kind of like the horror stories that were being kind of given to me. And then I, it was my mom. My mom saw how kind of lost I was. And thankfully I was that lost because without being lost, I wouldn't have found the thing that really set me up for the rest of my life, hopefully, which was, I tried painting, I tried music, I tried sculpting and I was fine at them and I enjoyed them. But then when I did my first acting class and I did my first play, which was I played Fat Sam and Bugsy Malone at my local community theater.

38:14And it was one of my favorite movies. The Alan Parker movie is one of my favorite movies of all time. And I felt a kind of a close, I felt close to myself in a way that I maybe hadn't felt. I felt a sense of purpose. And then I had a drama teacher that came into high school that kind of mentored me and saw me and said, I think you have something to give here. And that was kind of all I needed. and then yeah I had to weirdly my dad was very resistant at first because he was just scared like any good boomer father would be of me not surviving as an actor he was very very concerned with me just like having a roof over my head and like living well and also I thought that was interesting when I read to that point that you grew up with no money and then your family started this business and then went bankrupt and then you know from there it was just like god what am I I'm sure that feeling that your dad had for you was partly because of that well he's been trying to forget it but thanks for bringing it up.

39:07Sean Hayes:Talk about the darkest time in your family's life, Andrew, real quick.

39:13Will Arnett:So then was he really like a hard ass about, well, yeah, fine, you can do the acting stuff, but you're going to go to college and you're going to study a backup career? Yeah, business. He wanted me to go into business, whatever that means. And did you? No, no. I did like an A-level, which is like an SAT in business in England, and I got a B. It was fine. but I'll tell you a cool story so I go to drama school for three years and he kind of backs me he's like okay if this is what you want to do I'm going to help you do it so I did three years after high school after high school three years university course in acting at a great drama school called Central which I loved and then I started working in theater but I was still having to do a bunch of odd jobs in Starbucks I was a cricket coach for a while I did a lot of you know, waiting tables, the usual thing.

40:04But then, you know, there was a couple of moments on the journey on the way that he, that me and him really started to connect. One was getting Spider-Man, obviously, and I kind of, I think I called him straight away. I was like, fuck that business degree, motherfucker. Your boy made it kind of thing. And he was like, you don't have to worry anymore. And then I did Death of a Salesman, which is a great play. With Philip Seymour Hoffman. Philip Seymour Hoffman and yeah, Mike Nichols directing. and he came and saw that opening night and it was like a lot of whatever dynamics we had to heal, father and son dynamics we kind of started to really heal through me doing that play and him seeing me do that play and realizing that we had some wounds that we shared that it is generational that it is handed down generation to generation this not enoughness wound that I think a lot of men have I certainly do that I work with all the time.

41:01And then the kind of the third, and it kind of was revealed in my discussions with him that he had this unmet dream of wanting to be a writer. He's a very charming, charismatic, storytelling guy. He's into art and culture. It's just been a buried dream of his for a long time. So it was super interesting. And he would tell the story of driving past Fox Studios when he had a shipping company in LA, a moving company in LA he would drive past Fox Studios and just imagine, dream and wonder what was happening behind those gates and there was a night where he was out with my mum to visit me in LA it was the night before the Oscars where I was nominated for the first time I was nominated for an Academy Award and I said hey there's a party tonight I want to take you guys to and yeah he's like where is it where we go I'm like oh no you'll find out and we're driving and he's like telling stories about LA and his memories of LA and we start pulling up to Fox and he's like, ah, Fox, this is where I used to dream and wonder and we start pulling in to the Fox lot which is where that night before party is held and he looked at me and he just started bawling his eyes out and I was like, well, you're going to find out that it's actually not that interesting what happens on the other side of these gates but at least you'll know And we had a really beautiful breakfast the next morning, the day of the Oscars, because, you know, we are competitive people and we like winning stuff, but it's also been very tied in with our sense of identity, our sense of selves as kind of Garfield men.

42:39And we kind of healed a lot of that, but still it was a beautiful thing to be able to share a big achievement of an Oscar nomination with my dad in that way.

42:47Sean Hayes:Dude, it's amazing. What a great story. As a Garfield man, as you said, and you said, do you hate Mondays? No. Do you love lasagna?

43:01Sean Hayes:Very good. Do you have a dog in your notice? Do you, I love that you had that moment with your dad and that he was able to express, like in a really sort of real emotional, unguarded way, how he felt. And what a great lesson to learn from your dad. Even, you know, you weren't a kid anymore. But even just to see, to get that kind of example of that, I think is really, really important and so meaningful, man. Is he still with us, Andrew? Oh, very much so, yeah. He's in England, yeah, yeah. He's writing, and now he's writing. Like, he's just writing for pleasure, and he's really talented. And he's, yeah, we have the, like, I think the proudest thing of my life is my relationship with my dad.

43:47And to see, as you say, Will, like to see someone allow themselves to evolve in that later stage of life through their kid as their kid is trying to break free and evolve and individuate and free themselves of something that's holding them back from feeling fully joyful in their life. It's so, I tip my hat.

44:08Will Arnett:And you being old enough to see your father as a co-adult, you know, somebody like as we get older, Our parents become so human to us. It can be off-putting at times, but also just, you know, obviously really enlightening. It's amazing how we all become sort of equal as we get older.

44:29Sean Hayes:Yeah, I think, and I've seen you speak on, and I've seen sort of quotes of yours over the years talk about, one of the things that I love about you is the way that you talk about your, how open you are about various things. You've talked about grief quite openly over the last few years in a way that I think is so admirable in the way that you're able to do that. It really sets such a great example. And certainly just for me, John Q. Public, to read that and see you talk about really touched me and allowed me to kind of go like, oh, I want to be that open. and I want to be as in touch with my feelings about certain things.

45:12Sean Hayes:I think it's pretty awesome. That means a lot. That's great. Well, and you had now a famous quote, Andrew, about grief, which I love, which is you said, grief is all the unexpressed love. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I had to think about that. I was like, oh, yeah, because I try to tell people how I feel now, even if it makes them uncomfortable or me uncomfortable. I don't want to save all that love and emotion. for when they're dead or I'm dead. It's like now's the time. But even with that, even with saying, my relationship is talking about my mother who passed away just before end of 2019.

45:55Even with, because I told her I loved her all the time, even with all that, there still is this kind of chasm of grief that's never going to be fully, you know, the love is, that was the remarkable thing in that experience. for me was like, oh shit, the love is truly never ending. It's infinite. It's infinite. And it doesn't stop. It won't stop when I die. I don't know. I found that quite touching and quite beautiful. And yeah, I guess I remember being a young actor and looking up to certain people and wanting them to be as real as possible in the world, not just in their films or in their plays or in their music.

46:39I wanted to feel like it was okay for me to be as kind of fucked up as I was in the head and in the heart and in the body. And so I don't know. I find it interesting to kind of try to deconstruct the rules of our culture. It's like, why can't we talk about how fucking shitty it is to lose your mind? Like, why is grief a taboo thing? It doesn't make any sense to me in our culture. So it was kind of fun to be able to have fun. It's kind of a light way of putting it. I didn't expect so many people to feel a resonance or a kind of freedom because of that. But yeah, I find it very beautiful.

47:20Will Arnett:Well, it's also we're a little bit, I think as actors, we get the privilege, the opportunity to explore so many different parts of ourselves and emotions as well. that, you know, you have to because the script says, you know, you're going through a breakup or something like that. And you have to sort of like explore all that stuff. And so maybe just the idea of dealing with that in your own personal life is not such a foreign and scary thing because we tend to be practiced at some of these kind of oddly shaped emotions and characters, right? Yeah, no, definitely. It's a nice part of it. And on that, Andrew, you do so much great work and play so many different characters in different genres and different formats.

48:11Will Arnett:What is it that you like most about what you do? To just ask you like the most base sort of simple question. I mean, there's so many different parts to it. but is there one thing that if you, the same guns to your head, you have to say, what is the thing that...

48:31Sean Hayes:I have this fucking Garfield at my disposal.

48:34Will Arnett:One more question, Mr. Garfield. Why does he have so much access to me? How does he like, how is he always in the room? I own this fucking guy. Because you told him your room number. That's what it was. Fuck. We'll be right back. Hey guys, have you ever really wanted an Uncrustables sandwich, but then you realize you have to wait for it to thaw? So you start scheming. I know you like scheming. All the ways to thaw that pillowy soft bread as fast as possible. Maybe you stick them under your armpits or under your pet, like a little furry incubator. Well, here's some good news for you. You can now keep Uncrustables in your fridge so they're ready to eat whenever that craving strikes.

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51:41Will Arnett:Is there one thing that gets you most excited when you open up your eyes to start your work each day? Oh, man. Yeah, I mean, it's hard not to be, oh, God, overly sincere about these things. But it's like it's a life-saving job. I think this job saved my life in the sense that, like, I remember. Do you guys read the Agassi autobiography? No, but I've heard I should. I hear that's great. Fucking hell. It's so good. And it's about an athlete and an athlete that hates the sport. He hates tennis. Like, the first line is, I hate tennis. And it's like him and his father and all this stuff. And he has this moment in the middle of the book where he's like, I played for the U.S.

52:23Olympic team and we won gold. And I'm stood there with my fellow USA players. And I thought to myself for the first time, maybe I love tennis. And I found that so deeply moving because for me, it's like if I can be a part of a team, if I can be a part of a community that's doing something that is greater than each individual and it's somehow of service in some way and if I get to go to all these emotional places that we're not allowed to go to in other areas of our life, I feel just like so alive, so joyful to be alive and like the luckiest person in the world. So it really feels to me when it's about like, if it's about some kind of service to something greater, some spiritual kind of pursuit, then I'm like, it's...

53:19Will Arnett:And the team effort of it too. Yeah, there's a collective thing. And the majority of the things I do have that kind of quality. I think I do seek out a kind of, that kind of quality. Certainly with the uprising, it's about revolution and it's about what happens when the soul of a person or the soul of a group gets abused and kicked and beaten to the point where it says, no more, I either die or we change everything. That's an amazing journey to try to understand and go. And obviously, universal throughout history and right now, there's people who are feeling that soul squeeze to the point where shit has to change or today's a good day to die in the pursuit of that change.

54:03Sean Hayes:Right. And the money. You know, no.

54:09Will Arnett:So what about like location, like part of the world? Like how much time do you take when you consider these jobs? Because imagine you've got a bunch of different choices that conflict. Do you consider where you're going to be on the planet? How long it's been since you've been home? That's a new thing for me. I'm thinking about that more as I get older, I think. I think, like, in my 20s and 30s, it was like, I'll go anywhere, anytime, and I'll devote myself to this in a way that's probably a little unhealthy. But now I definitely feel, I don't know, man, like, shit, time is ticking. Like, it's not, like, that awareness that it's not forever.

54:49Sean Hayes:Where is home? Sorry, where is, okay. I'm mostly in London, but I'm a little bit in L.A. as well, where you guys are, I think.

54:56Will Arnett:Yeah, yeah. What is it when you consider taking something that's in a faraway land and going to be gone for a while, what are the top three things that you think you're going to be missing and that you're going to be sacrificing? Is it certain relationships? Is it certain creature comforts? No, it's all relationships really. Like it's all, it's relationships, but it's also my home and my relationship to my home. Like I've created a little home for myself in London that feels like an old friend at this point. So whenever I'm there, I feel like, oh, yeah, this is where I can just be. And, yeah, and my family.

55:34I'm very close to my family. I'm very close with my nephews and my brother and my dad still. And, yeah, my old friends are from high school. That's, like, my closest friends.

55:43Sean Hayes:Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, are you still, is that still your sort of friend group, all your friends from high school? Yeah, friends from, I have a core group of about five or six friends from high school, and, like, that's, like, I think, that they've certainly saved me from myself they've got to be thrilled for you where did

55:59Will Arnett:did they have it did they have a comfortable time a decent time sort of adjusting and adapting to them sharing you with the world they fucking love it they love it because not only can they ride the coattails they can also um like rip the piss out of me and like more they have free reign they have like green light. What have you taken the most heat from? Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean, every week there's something new. I took a good run at you on Spider-Man, right? Something new. In the outfit. I think when they see me trying to be sexy in any way, in like an award show. Let's see it. Let's see it. Yes.

56:39Sean Hayes:Guns to your head. Give me the steamy look. You look at me in the eyes. Maintain eye contact. Andrew I just have one Spider-Man question and I won't go on and on this I did not know is it true that you and Tobey Maguire each have an actual species of spider named after you and apparently Tom Holland does not, is that right? Yeah but Tom Holland has a gajillion dollars so I think he's fine But that's cool Is that true? I think, yeah I believe so, it's one of those things that you kind of forget happen because it's just too abstract to be able to Was it a Garfield spider? I honestly don't know, Sean.

57:21Sean, can you? Alright. Well, our arachnologist named the Iranian species Pritha Garfielda or Garfieldi. No way. And Felistada Maguirei in honor of you guys. That's pretty crazy. Now you know. Wow. And none of those words I probably... So it is customary for me with someone like you who's done so much theater to ask if you have any crazy theater stories, I always start with one of my own just to make you feel like it's okay to share. Mine is, I just did this one-man show called The Unknown, and I played all 10 different characters. What?

57:54Sean Hayes:I showed up one. It felt like 20 men. Bring me to Broadway. It was insane. Now it's the same actor. This Russian guy is everywhere. He's now made his way into the back of the theater. That was the Italian guy. No, but he's made his way in the back with the Italian guy. They still can't find him. He just runs around from aisle to aisle. The Canadian David Fincher is somewhere in the mix here as well. I'd like to think of myself as the Canadian David Fincher. Sorry, go ahead. Sean, what's your theater story? So my theater story is one night, one of my, sorry, one man show, it played 10 characters.

58:32One night, one of my characters asks another character question and I stood there waiting for the answer for a really long time. And then I go, oh shit, I'm that guy too. I swear to God, after 50 shows, your mind starts to go crazy. And I asked the question to the character, and I was literally waiting for the answer. I was like, oh, I'm that guy too. Oh, my God. It was the worst feeling. It was so scary. That's called like a mini mental breakdown. That's like psychosis, I think. Totally. But anything in Angels in America or Death of a Salesman or anything?

59:05Sean Hayes:Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, definitely. I think it was one of the first previews of Angels in America that we did in London. and it's after, you know, it's a nine-hour show and it's the first time we're doing, you know, all of it back-to-back on a Saturday. And, yeah, fuck. And I can't, I don't know how that, I don't know how any of us survived it, truly. Like, it's ridiculous. But there's a big climax at the end of the second part where I have to fight an angel on stage. And the angel is on a harness and at one point she goes up on wires and I'm, like, holding onto her and I'm like pulled around the rafters like off the ground during this very very technical fight and to get set I have to put my hands through loopholes by her waist with my and I'm wearing like a hospital gown with my ass out facing the um the audience and I'm like okay this is our first time doing this in front of an audience and I get set and I'm like right down to the front of the stage my ass is towards the audience and I'm like pretending to wrestle this angel and I'm like set, set, set, and then nothing happens.

1:00:11We just stay on the ground. We're meant to be lifted. We're just like on the ground, on the ground. And as we all know, like just the awful feeling of having to pretend like everything is fine. So I'm like continuing to wrestle. I'm just kind of like doing the worst continual wrestle movement with my ass facing the audience. And I think it's about a minute and a half that I'm just doing this one impossibly awful movement.

1:00:41Will Arnett:The guy backstage is trying to find the right rope to pull. And the stage manager, who is this very sweet, nerdy, northern guy, comes out and the dramatic music stops and I'm still doing this awful wrestle at the climax of the show. And the guy goes, I'm so sorry, everybody. We've had some technical difficulties. We'll be right back with you. After like eight hours of a show, the curtain comes down and my ass is still to the whatever. and the curtain comes down and we fix it. And I get back in the position after like five minutes. I stick my ass at the audience again and the curtain comes up and I'm still doing the wrestle.

1:01:18And of course, like it works and the audience go fucking crazy because that's what they want. They want the worst shit that could possibly happen to happen and it to be recovered and they're part of like something that could never have happened otherwise if they had come any other night. But it was, I'm sweating talking about it.

1:01:37Sean Hayes:Do you, actually you just made a really good point about the part of something that can never happen again in the exact same way or otherwise. Is that part of the allure to you of theater? Don't you think, I wonder what you guys think about this. I feel like, I mean maybe this is a very obvious thing to say but I feel like that's where we're heading now. We're heading back towards live immersive experience. A hundred percent. It feels like one of the last commodities that is going to be valued. The one thing AI can't do. Well, yeah, in-person experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whether it's comedy or music or theater or storytelling.

1:02:15It's going to be huge. It's going to be huge, yeah. I think so. I don't know.

1:02:19Will Arnett:And also, what about like orchestral music too, right? Which is what it used to be. Like there was no recordings of anything. You had to go to the opera house or whatever it was and watch Beethoven conduct his symphonies. You had to. buy an album and hear it. Gun to your head. Yeah. What symphony are you going to listen to? Hammer cocked. Compose something. Now, Andrew, you know, Jason and Will know and people know I love every once in a while having a gummy. Just because it's relaxing. A weed gummy. A weed gummy, yeah. And you once celebrated... Or just like a regular gummy. Define every once in a while.

1:02:57Yeah, what's this every once in a while, Garbage? Did you run out? Garbage. Yeah, I did run out actually I need some more You once celebrated turning 29 by eating pot brownies at Disneyland Please tell me how that went Yeah, it was one of the all-time great days Yeah, no, it was one of the all-time great days Did you ride rides though? I think I would puke Yes No, no, no, I did and we didn't One of us did, George did George had to get off, what's that, California Where you're kind of like Oh yeah, California adventure Yeah, he couldn't We rode that a few times. He can only manage two times. So George had a tough run of it for a moment.

1:03:39We all had tough moments. It was like a group of eight or nine of us, and we all kind of got each other through those kind of trenches moments. And it was great. Each one of us dipped at a different moment, so it was a little bit like whack-a-mole. There was like a corn dog moment that we had where I was really struggling. Oh, hang on. But there was one really... I think the best moment was the simplest moment of the day, weird. where we transitioned from Disneyland to the California Adventure theme park part of Disneyland. And there's that song, California, here we come right back where we started from.

1:04:13That was emanating from the speakers in the trees. And one after the other, we all looked around and realized that we were all doing the exact same jaunty little walk dance to that song.

1:04:28Will Arnett:Like Happy Bears. Like we were doing the exact same. And it was like... That's funny. Sounds like there could have been some caps and stems in these pop counties. No. It was purely weed. But we were so aligned. We were so aligned. We were aligned with the cosmos in that moment. And it was fancy. It was like 29th birthday. So we pulled out all the stops. We got one of the guides to take us around. one of those lovely Disney guys. And her name was Chantel. And she may have been an AI robot because she did not betray any knowledge of what was moving through our systems. Your intoxication. She was just so like, she was like Disney adult joyful.

1:05:15Will Arnett:I think they're pretty accustomed there now to folks just tripping balls when they go down. It's like there's two kinds of people. There's either like the wholesome family, you know, got the little kids and the strollers and all that stuff. or the people above.

1:05:28Sean Hayes:There's the shaggy-haired actors, yeah, with their buddies. If you're 25 years or older, you're probably on something. I can't do roller coasters and stuff anymore. No, me neither.

1:05:40Will Arnett:My equilibrium's gone after 50 years later. I'm shot. Yeah, I get nauseous. I think I might be the same. I think I might be the same. I was in Universal Studios recently with an old friend from high school. We went just, I don't know, we just went and we had a pop, a kind of little pot candy. And we had a guide as well. And I felt like she was cool enough because we did the Transformers ride, which is one of those, like it's a screen and it's 3D. It's like a motion ride. It's fucking hell. It's just pure fucking hell. It's like, it's Dante's Inferno. It's just horrible. And we came out and both of us, I was worse.

1:06:14I was like, I'm really fucked up now in a way that's not pleasant in any way of shape.

1:06:18Sean Hayes:I would blow chunks everywhere. And I was too high and I was too dizzy and I was like, I trust this girl. I'm going to see what she says. I'm like, hey, I don't know if you're aware, but we got a little bit high before the Transformers ride, and now I'm regretting it. And she was so fucking cool. She was like, I got you. We're going to go to Hogwarts. We're going to go get a butterbeer. We're just going to sit on a bench, and I know a place where there's a really nice breeze. We're just going to ride this out. We're just going to ride this out. This ain't my first rodeo. I'm high right now, too.

1:06:52She's like, check out this ride. It's called a bench.

1:06:57Now, Andrew, I believe we've kept you way too long. Jason said something to me a long time ago, which I love. He goes, after he's worked his balls off on something like this movie or whatever, or Will's in the same boat, and I read that you're kind of similar, Jason said, I want to aggressively do nothing when this is over, just for a little bit, for a day or a week or whatever. And you recently said your perfect day off would be a lot of lying down and looking out the window. which sounds incredible um what how long can you do that for before you're like up and up and again up and around again i can do it for a couple of months like i like oh god yeah i really can this time i've been working for like 11 months straight and it was so schizophrenic like doing the i did like sam altman who's like an emperor and then i did the peasant the peasant movie where i play the opposite of an emperor someone who's getting kind of abused by an emperor um figure and then doing roy and and like and like doing roy doing roy horn from like 20 years old to 65 years old like we we we do the whole the whole gamut so i feel you know you get to the point sometimes where you're so deeply resentful of the work that you love to do so much and that's that's kind of that's kind of where I'm at.

1:08:19So I'm like, yeah.

1:08:20Will Arnett:And then what is your version of looking out the window? Is it watching dumb TV? Is it reading books? Is it hanging out with friends? I would like to say it's reading books, but it is more watching dumb TV and literally looking out. I have a lovely window in my house and there's a beautiful tree that I just stare at. Again, it's like this kind of like the most valuable commodity outside of live performances, quiet and time and space and not having our attention snatched by the things that are always snatching our attention. But no, yeah, friends. I did a trip to Devon, which is a little seaside town in England with my nephews and my brother.

1:08:56I did a trip with friends to Greece. I did a little driving around Italy. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, tending to that part of the garden, being with my family, it was simple shit. I love that. I think, like, one of the gifts of, like, being raised the way I was is it was made very, very clear to me by osmosis, I think that there was no way that I could ever allow myself to drink my own Kool-Aid enough to lose myself. You know what I mean? That's why I keep my close friends close who will keep me accountable. I love that. I love that, pal. Well, thank you for being here. This is a great episode. I laughed so hard with you.

1:09:40Thank you. I love you guys. I think you guys are so phenomenal. I'm such a huge fan of you guys and I'm grateful for this podcast and for everything you guys give to the world. I really, really, truly am, sincerely. Well, right back at you.

1:09:52Sean Hayes:Keep it coming, please. Sincerely right back at you.

1:09:53Will Arnett:And if you don't, we'll put a gun to your head and we'll say, keep going.

1:09:59Have fun in New York, Andrew Garfield. Pleasure to meet you. Much love to you. Yeah, it's so great. Love to you, pal. Great talking to you, man. See you around, I hope. All right. Yeah, cheers.

1:10:07Will Arnett:Bye, pal. Thank you. Bye. Bye, bye, bye.

1:10:12Will Arnett:That's a, that's a, I like that guy. a lot. I do too, man. Me too, a lot, a lot. Yeah, what an easy, breezy conversation. I love it. Do you think you'd ever consider being our friend? Yeah, let's ask him. He would be a good friend. How do you make friends nowadays? You just send an offer?

1:10:31Sean Hayes:But we don't want to come on too strong, though. Send an offer.

1:10:37Will Arnett:Who's he repped by? This is just our starting point. Please feel free to counter. Is that how you start it? I'm always amazed that actors like that go from job to job to job to job to job. When do you have time to create the character and figure it all out? Do the research and all that stuff? Or how about this? How about when do you have the time to not be an actor and hang out and maybe meet some nice guys like us and create new friendships?

1:11:10Sean Hayes:Or wait, you're still lobbying for him to be your friend? Yeah, I mean, Jesus, you know?

1:11:15Will Arnett:You know what, Jay? You know what you do. He probably gets so many great opportunities. He can't stop, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You know how you make a new friend. You meet somebody. Jesus. You go really slow. You get to know them. This wrap up is so short. And you go, you just take it slow and you take it day. Bye. Bye. Bye. Day time. Day time. My time. Day by time. Oh, you didn't get it. Oh, you didn't get it. Smart. Less.

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