"Anthony Mackie"

21 Jul 2025 · 1 h

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SmartLess Podcast Episode Summary: Anthony Mackie

Episode Details

  • Podcast Title: SmartLess
  • Episode Title: Anthony Mackie
  • Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
  • Guest: Anthony Mackie
  • Release Date: [Not specified in the transcript]
  • Description: In this episode, Anthony Mackie joins the hosts to discuss various topics including pilates, upgrades, and finding joy in friendship.

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Key Highlights

Hosts' Banter

  • Location Updates:
  • Sean Hayes is performing "Goodnight Oscar" in London.
  • Discussion about the magic of London and its influence on creativity.
  • Elevator Anecdotes:
  • Will Arnett humorously discusses Sean's fear of elevators.
  • Exposure therapy techniques for overcoming fear, which lead to amusing exchanges among the hosts.

Introduction of Anthony Mackie

  • Guest Introduction:
  • Mackie is described as a versatile actor with a diverse portfolio from Broadway to major films.
  • The hosts share their excitement for having him on the show.

Anthony Mackie's Insights

  • Current Project:
  • Mackie is in Budapest filming a show for Apple titled "12-12-12," discussing his experiences there and his enjoyment of the locale.
  • Thematic Discussions:
  • Career Journey:
  • Mackie shares his path from performing arts school in New Orleans to Juilliard and finally to Hollywood.
  • He emphasizes the importance of education and creativity in shaping his career.
  • Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU):
  • Mackie discusses his role as Sam Wilson (Falcon) and the transition to Captain America.
  • He reflects on the lack of pre-script knowledge when joining the MCU, illustrating the level of secrecy in big production houses.
  • Personal Life:
  • Mackie opens up about his family life, particularly his four sons, balancing work and family obligations.
  • He humorously relates his experiences as a father to the hectic nature of his job.

Laughter and Humor

  • The episode is filled with playful banter among the hosts and Mackie.
  • Highlights include discussions on pilates and its supposed benefits, alongside jokes about personal experiences and public perceptions.
  • Will Arnett and Mackie exchange humorous jabs, maintaining the podcast's tone of lighthearted comedy.

Key Takeaways

  • Mackie's Passion for Acting:
  • He always aspired to be a working actor rather than seeking fame.
  • His journey reflects a commitment to craft and character depth over mere celebrity.
  • Challenges of Fame:
  • Mackie recognizes the psychological toll that being in the public eye can take, particularly regarding personal relationships and family.
  • Insights on Creativity:
  • He values the collaborative nature of theater and film, often crediting his experiences in smaller productions for shaping his artistic vision.
  • Future Projects:
  • Mackie's upcoming works include "Twisted Metal" on Peacock and his ongoing role in the MCU, showcasing his versatility and reach across genres.

Conclusion The episode with Anthony Mackie is a blend of insightful discussion about his career, personal anecdotes, and light-hearted humor, embodying the essence of the SmartLess podcast—connecting with varied experiences and perspectives through laughter and conversation.

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0:03Well, here we are. It's Will. Sean and Jason aren't here yet, but I just want to say, don't be naughty on this all new smart list. Smart Less.

0:19Smart Less.

0:25Smart Less. You know what, though? Being in London. Thank you. That's where I'm at. Thanks, everybody. Sean's got material. No, I don't. So, listener, let's catch you up. Sean is in London doing another run of Goodnight Oscar. What a production. Thank you for bringing it back. Thank you for Europe. It's much more convenient for me and my travels. Goodnight London. Goodnight London. Buonasera.

1:04Buonasera Oscar.

1:10No, by the way, I'm looking out my window at Westminster Abbey. Can you believe that? Isn't that warm? Are you really? You've got yourself a nice place there, huh? Am I going to wait? Oh, yeah. Can you show me my room? Listen, I'm about to live with Sean. You're going to go stay with those guys, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Remember how you used to do that when you would travel with Sean and go to all these wonderful places around the planet? Well, I get to do one now. I'm going to London. When I heard that, I actually thought about your sort of crappy little voice being sad about that and then how that you were going to be excited that you were going to stay with Sean.

1:42It's no Istanbul, but it'll do. No, it's better. Or Venice. Or Venice. Well, that's a tight second. Both of them. But, Shawnee, it's going well so far? Are you remembering to look right when you step off the curb? Isn't that wild? I really am trying to get... And by the way, you know the other thing? When you're walking on a sidewalk, I have to go to the left. No, you don't. What are you talking about? You're going to pass somebody. No. because they're hoping you do that. Are they? I'm telling you. No. Yeah, I'm telling you because I lean to the right and they're like, and then they lean to the right and then I lean to the right.

2:14They keep going to the right. You've been leaning right for years though. I think you and Will are going to jump parties on me soon. Wait, but you know that like you walk around London and you're like, wow, I get why J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter. Like it's so magical. Like it's incredible here. I know, I do love that place. It's incredible. and people that live here that I talk to, they're like, yeah, you know. Just kidding, rolling? What's that? Just kidding, rolling? Is that what it is? Just kidding, rolling. JK. Will, you've been to England, right? Do you like Europe? Do you like England?

2:48London in particular? Here he comes. Don't try to bait me. Don't try to bait. It was a classic bait, man. Don't try to do it. I'm not going to do it. Willie, why don't you come out? Why don't you come out? Why don't you just move there? I don't know why you got yourself. I am going to come out. Sean, I made a plan this morning We're going to come see your play in August. We're going to go over the dates. Bradley and I are coming in Chappie. No way. That's so nice. By the way, you can... You guys doing some reshoots? We're doing reshoots, yeah. We have tons of room, Willie. You can stay with us if you want.

3:20Fantastic. Yeah. It's unbelievably beautiful. Really? Well, that I'm very excited for. But I hear you got there and it was in kind of shabby shape. You had to bring in a deep clean company? Yeah, when we got to this place that we got. No, no, no, no. Not deep clean, but it has an elevator because it's an old townhouse. Oh, boy. And of course, the elevator broke down. No, while you were in it again? No, I wasn't in it this time. But I keep a bottle of Valium in it. You know what, can I just say something? It might be user error at this point. Can I just say something? User error. I think it's your fault or Scotty's fault.

3:52Yeah, sure. This is important to say at this juncture, which is because just in the times we live in, and I think that for you to be able to speak so openly and so bravely and so relatably about the shabby shape of the elevator in your townhouse in London. Yeah, this is the second dwelling you've been in with an elevator. I've never been in a place with an elevator. Oh, but this, yeah, I'm renting and I don't own it. But it's really beautiful. But it's, you know, so I keep a bottle of Valium in the corner in case it goes, but I did my exposure therapy. You don't need a full bottle. Why don't you just keep one in your pocket?

4:22Well, no, no. A bottle of Valium in the elevator? In the elevator in case it shuts down and I have to wait for the repair guy and I don't go crazy. So I'm just, I need, you know. Why don't you just put a gun in there? Put a gun in there and then just put it deep into your fucking mouth. Wait a second. First of all, your fucking therapist needs to be arrested. Because this is, that's absurd. No, I'm telling you because if something goes wrong and you're stuck in there for an hour while the guy gets there, I don't want to go crazy. I just want to, like, chill out. Well, that ship has passed. Why don't you look within, man?

4:54I did. So I did exposure therapy and it's kind of working. What, you just get on the tube and just flash your jacket open?

5:05Yeah, it's really working. What does that mean, exposure therapy? So it's really fascinating. You sit there with your palms up and your eyes closed. You have to repeat over and over a million times. You have to go, I'm walking down the hall. I see a small elevator and I step inside. I'm walking down the hall. I see a small elevator and I step inside. And you say that over and over and over again for like 20 minutes. And your therapist will check in every two minutes and say, where's your anxiety level? And it goes from 10 to 8 to 7, you know, to 3 to 2 to 1 until you become bored with it. Then you move on to, I'm walking down the hall, I step into an elevator, and then the doors close.

5:41I'm walking down the hall, I step into the elevator, and the doors close. And you try to feel what that feels like over and over again. And it fucking works. And what are they charging you an hour for this? I don't remember. Because I used to do this in elementary school when I would screw up. They'd make me write stuff on a chalkboard over and over and over again. Like Homer Simpson. Yeah, it's called sentences or whatever. Hey, you know what else works, Sean? Is nutting up. Yeah, it's just called developing the backbone and the thicker skin and just getting older, you know? I mean, you've been through a lot in your life and you are tough.

6:15I mean it. Like, you know how to deal with a lot of stuff and you get your head on your shoulders. Yeah, but it's claustrophobia. I mean, if you got stuck in that elevator that I had stuck in, you would have gone fucking bananas. Will, what's your plan today? Will, what's your plan out there in the Hamptons? My plan is pretty, it's a little overcast and rainy. I was up super early going over stuff with our friend BC. Going over stuff? Yeah. Oh, the edit. He's working on the edit, right? How's stuff looking? It's looking pretty good. So we're doing that this morning early. I was up like five because he's in Europe.

6:50And then aren't you close to getting a cut that you like? Yeah. I mean, you know, it's a work in progress. he's you know working away has he shown you his director's cut yet there is no there's no director's cut yet no no okay but um and then uh you know did my usual thing are you happy with your performance that you've seen I am yeah I mean I don't know it's hard to be I'm happy with watching his performance it's pretty great but I mean it's something like you're starting to see yourself and in its context with the one scene stuck next to another scene next to another scene like it's that's like it's a scary thing like how's it's starting to feel good.

7:25I think that we have a movie. I'll say that. You've been doing it a lot longer than I have, JB. You know how it is, and so you never know until you know. Right. And so I'm just kind of leaving it out there in soft. Are you allowing it to become something different than what you had imagined it was going to be? Yeah. Because inevitably it is. It always, as you know, it always changes. I'm excited for you to see it, for both of you to see it. Sean's in it as well, and Sean's great. So he's still in it. You're saying he's still in it? Still in it. Yeah, as of this morning. Okay. This morning. But I'm excited for you guys to get your thoughts.

8:01I can't wait. To hear your thoughts on it and stuff, too. I'm wide open. That'll be forthcoming. What else are you excited about? Our guest today. Well, sorry, Sean. I know. Sorry, Sean. We'll get there. I was about to. I was just answering the question. Sean, are you in a rush? Yeah, he's got a dinner. I'm sorry. Are your knickers in a twist? Are you keeping the palace waiting? By the way, we're so lucky. We're so lucky because now we do get, we get to get to our guest, which is going to be just, he's a palate cleanser in every way. This guy is so, he's done everything. And he's one of those guys who classically trained, Juilliard trained.

8:41And then, so he's done everything from Broadway to like indies to like, you know, cool plays to the biggest of biggest of biggest of hits. he's like just a bonafide movie star I've had the pleasure of getting to know him a little bit over the last couple years because we've worked together on a project together me in a producing role but him as the star of he's incredible you guys know him from all his performances the second I start to name it Sean's gonna go I know who it is he's been in a gazillion Marvel movies and within the Marvelverse he then graduated and became a sort of a different character altogether.

9:23You know him as Captain America. I know him as Anthony Mackie. Oh, Anthony Mackie, good morning. Thank you. I have so much to say about those first 10 minutes. Okay, good. I was like, I wanted to see which one of y 'all is going to talk about who had the most Teslas in their driveway. That'd be Jason. That'd be Jason. We're down to one over here. I've never owned one. I'm trying to get it away from my wife, but she won't. Anthony, by the way, you should know that Jason's glass house is so, the glass is so fragile up. He's in his guest house overlooking his screen house, overlooking his main house right now.

10:02Anyway, Anthony Mackie, dude, thank you. Thank you for being here. Welcome to SmartList. It's so great to have you. Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. No, thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it. It's been a long time coming. Yeah. It's been a long time coming. Where do we find you? Are you at home? No, I'm in Budapest right now. And I'll tell you what, a black man in Budapest for the summer is, I mean, goddamn. It's like I found my people. I don't know. It's like they shot me out of a rocket and landed me. Like I did something right in my life. You know what I mean? They're like, you get to go to Budapest for the summer.

10:41Really? What do you mean? What do you mean they just love you there? Well, everybody loves you everywhere. No, it's different here. Like, everybody's nice. Like, the food is good. The city's beautiful and historic. You know, there's a dirty river. Like, just everything you want. You know, every day is sunny. The Budapestians are fucking great people. I love them. Yeah, and there's a lot of stuff that's shooting there lately, huh? Like, what are you doing there, can you say? I'm doing a show for Apple, so nobody will see it, called 12-12-12. 12-12-12. Gotcha. Apple biz, Apple's huge. People will see it.

11:20Yeah, come on. Formula One, like it's this F1 thing. It's making a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Apple's great. I'm excited. It's my first time, well, my second time on Apple because I did the first movie on Apple, actually, The Banker. And this is my first time back. So they've been great, man. It's been wonderful. You know, they gave me the opportunity to come to Budapest for the season. Amazing. And so how is it? Is it a bunch of episodes? So you're there for a while? It's eight episodes. It's me and Jamie Dornan. So this is our second time working together. I'm like, you know, it's where Kari, who directed Falcon Winter Soldier, is directing it.

12:00Oh, cool. So it's a pretty good group. Great scripts, like great stories. You know, it's a good time. And it's in Budapest. It sounds like it's big. It sounds like there's a lot of action. You know who you're talking to? Yeah, yeah. You're not the only one. I mean, it's huge, buddy. We're doing well here, you know? No, I mean, it's action and it's stunts and it's a muscular project, yes? It's a lot of testosterone. Some might call it toxic, but I don't get it. A ballsy ring. Ballsy. So how long are you there? If you're doing eight episodes, you're there for five months? Five months between here and London.

12:36And it is like London. When I come to London in two weeks, I'm coming to your show too. Yes. Yeah, I'll be there. I'll be there. Should I wear like my Liza Minnelli shit? Sure, yeah, because I'm gay. Yeah, for sure. Tommy Tune stuff works too. We're not going to be open in two weeks. You come back in July. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two weeks is in July. Oh, well, end of July, July 31st. Oh, shit. August. So you go back and forth. You guys shoot stuff in England. You shoot stuff in Hungary. Back and forth. No, I'm shooting Avengers in England, and I'm shooting this in Hungary. Okay, gotcha. Wait a second.

13:15So you're going back and forth to London. You're doing Avengers. Sean, hold your questions. Sean is a massive, massive Avengers marvel. And you're working with, you have the misfortune of working with Downey, I'm sure, over there with Robert. Jesus Christ. I'm just so sorry. What a drought. Hey, he serves up a great lunch, man. I mean, everybody's healthy. You know, it's really good. We drink his bottled chill brew. It's a good time. It's a good time. It's a good time. So, Anthony, with all this time away from home, what's the main thing you find yourself missing? I ask because it's on my mind.

13:57I just had my daughter call me. She's on a trip to actually also to Europe on some sort of camp thing, and she's feeling really homesick. So what are you missing most about home right now? Yeah. I hate to say this because it fits in y 'all's conversation earlier, but I miss my cars, man. Yeah, yeah. I miss driving when I'm away from home. I just want to, I'm a very, very, like, homestrucking dude. So literally, I'll go, after going to the gym, I'll get a po' boy and a ice cold beer, sit in the garage and work on my cars all day. Wait, so after the gym, you find a real fatty, carbohydrate-ridden snack and some puffy-making beer.

14:41Sorry, Jason's one of those guys who doesn't eat pizza, by the way. Exactly. But I came out with a big, fat face. I got to, like, spend every minute of every day trying to— But that's the whole point of going to the gym, man. You go to the gym, and you're like—then you go get a po' boy. Exactly. I exercise so that I can be a little bit bad. I don't exercise— Well, you look great, man. You look like you're— Anthony, I love you. You look like you have one of those Pelotons. You know what? You look like you do Pilates is what it is. How dare you? So you miss driving. You miss your cars. Where's home, LA?

15:13You do have like a Pilates, not your body, but your temperament. And like the way that you are in the world, you seem like a Pilates person. I tell you what, I am hearing that that's what I need to make a friend of is Pilates. Pilates, yeah. Because it's good stretching. So it's got all the stretching of yoga, but it's got some core strengthening, like muscle building stuff. Anyway. I heard it gives you outstanding sexual stamina. Wait, what? He doesn't need that. That's what I heard, dude. I heard a friend of mine started doing Pilates. I could use a little bump in that as well. Thank you. Just maybe another 20, 30 seconds would be incredible.

15:51Wait, Anthony, speaking of relationships, forgive me. I love this segment. I'm just waiting for you to get your first fucking question. All my clothes are off. Go ahead. Wait, I love it. I love it, JB. I'm telling you I love it. I'm having fun. It's fun. Do you notice that, Sean? He brings on a guest, and he just sits back. He basically introduces them, and then he's like, okay. Not at all. We're having a conversation. We're having a conversation. We've covered a lot of shit. This is going really well. Yeah, this is going very well. How dare you? Oh, sorry. Okay. Move on to the taint exercise.

16:31Anthony, just to make JB feel better. Anthony, how'd you get your start in show business?

16:39Which I really do want to know. By the way, JB, you will be jealous. Let's talk a little bit for a second. And Anthony, I've asked you about this in person too. You went to Juilliard, which is so rad. It's like the gold standard. I mean, that must have been... Talk a little bit about getting into Juilliard. and was it like a dream come true or were you like, yeah, big big deal? Did you ever cross paths with Laura Linney there? I think she's a big wig over there. I never saw Laura Linney. She was never there when I was there. Patti LuPone was there all the time, which was amazing. But it all started in New Orleans.

17:12I mean, I went to this school called New Orleans Center for Creative Arts, which is pretty much like fame, but in New Orleans. And I just loved it. Like, it was amazing. It taught me everything. And I got to New Orleans is a very segregated city. So getting to meet and see people from the other side of the city was mind blowing how different it was, you know, on the other side of the track. So it forced me to want to get out of New York. I mean, New Orleans. So I went to boarding school in North Carolina at North Carolina School of the Arts. And I consider that to be my year of time. Like everybody's been arrested.

17:49My year of jail time was in Winston-Salem. Oh, really? Why? Why? Have you ever been to Winston-Salem? No, no. Winston-Salem in 1996 was some shit. You hear me? Oh, really? So I made it out. I did my bid. I got out. You know what I mean? Yeah. And the man couldn't hold me down forever. So I moved up to New York and, you know, auditioned and got into Juilliard from North Carolina. Wow. And moved to New York when I was 18. And it was crazy. Wait, so Anthony, so you grow up in New Orleans. You were born and raised there? Yeah, born and raised, yeah. Samuel Boscoville, Hardhead. So then your first real exposure to, as you say, the other side of the tracks was going to this really cool art school where you got to see some folks that are from a different socioeconomic background and they're coming to see some of the productions and stuff like that.

18:46And the seed gets planted to be an artist, an actor, yeah? and you say, okay, I'm not bad at this. You're getting some nice accolades. No. Such that you think you can take on more? Not at all. It was just, it was something, I was probably the worst actor at my school, but it kept my interest. You know, like, you know, the idea of being in a room with different types of people and doing different types of shit, it was almost like every day was summer camp. Like I look forward to going there every day because you would go there half a day and then regular school half a day. And it was just like a bunch of people in a room that I, I like identify with people that I got along with.

19:33And, you know, it was a school that was half dancers. So we had all these smoking chicks in a dance program. Right. So I was like, fuck. Like I just showed my I have a 16 year old son. I showed him my yearbook from high school. and he was like, yo, those are the girls. And I'm like, this is what girls looked like when I was in school. Fuck you. Like, you got it good. And we will be right back.

20:03And now back to the show. Was it a common thing for the folks where you grew up to like go into the arts, become an actor, go to this art school? Not become an actor. I mean, in New Orleans, you know, every little boy grows up wanting to be a trumpet player. You know, everybody wants to be a musician. Everybody wants to march in a parade. But were your parents musicians or in the arts at all? No, hell no. My daddy worked. My daddy was a roofer, you know? So it was six of us. He had to work. Oh, fuck. Roofing in New Orleans, too. That is not... Yeah, my mom was a homemaker and my dad was a roofer.

20:43But they always stressed on us, education and going to school. So it was very important to them that we did something that fulfilled our dreams and kept us interested. But also probably they had their eye on practicality too. It sounds like they were not afraid of good hard work and some pleasant predictability about income and providing. Were they sort of, you sure you want to pursue acting or the arts is something that like, how about getting like a quote unquote real job? Was there pressure for you to do that as well? No, not at all. My parents, my dad had one rule. Do whatever you want. Be the best at it.

21:26Just don't go to jail. Oh, that's cool. That was it. Wow. That's a good rule. You can be a damn garbage man. Just be the best garbage man and don't go to jail. That's it. Like growing up in New Orleans in the 80s and 90s, it was such a rough city. I mean, it was the murder capital of the world. I mean, they were in a city of 700 ,000 people. Four to 500 people were getting murdered a year. Jesus. Wow. So for square capital, we were literally the murder capital of the world. Wow, I didn't know that. So, yeah, it was wildly dangerous in the early 90s. Do you have brothers and sisters or were you an only child?

21:59Five of them, yeah. Wow. Yeah. And, you know, we're all vastly different in very different ways. Anybody else going to the arts? No, no, no, no, no, no. My brother, you know, was a singer, but he also played tennis. So all that shit's weird. You know what I mean? So, I mean, that's amazing. So you go and then you go to North Carolina, then you go up, you get into Juilliard, and you go to Juilliard. And I always wondered this. So you graduate Juilliard. You've got a degree from arguably like the premier place to get an acting degree, certainly in the States. And is it like, okay, you know, The day after you graduate, is it like everybody's knocking at your door, or is it just to hit the streets and start auditioning like everybody else?

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22:44Well, you do this thing called league scenes, and you invite all the agents and all the agencies to come see the graduating class do their monologues. Like a showcase. A showcase, yeah. And everybody comes, and from that, hopefully, you'll get an agent or a manager. And I got lucky. I did these, you know, three scenes and they were fine. You know, it was cool. But what really helped me was when I was in school, we wrote this play about Tupac called Up Against the Wind. Yes. And, you know, I we all did it like, you know, there was a girl, Rosemary in a directing program, Michael in a writing program and all of us actors.

23:25we all wrote and produced the scene ourselves i mean the the show ourselves at school so when we did the the show jim nicola from new york theater workshop came to see the show and was like i want to move this off broadway so it was a big problem at juilliard because you're not allowed to do outside work while you're a student okay and it came it was a gray area because you guys had started it we started it at the school right and you know it because it was it was very eye-opening because there was a fight between me and the staff if I would do this play off Broadway, which was created at the school, or if I would do the checkoff play for my final grade of the year.

24:09Right. So we were going back and forth about that, and they were very adamant about not letting me do this play. And then the play caught fire and took off, and all of a sudden, everybody was a supporter. Like there was a teacher who was interviewed by the New York Times. And true story. This is still in print. She said, you know, usually the black kids just sit around and wait to see who's going to play Othello. But it's great that they created something that they can go and do in the New York theater. Whoa. What? What does that even mean? It means she was a fucking idiot. I know. What? That's like crazy.

24:49Yeah. What? It means she was a fucking idiot. That's crazy. Wow. That's what it means. That must have lit a fire under your, like, a little bit to be like, I'm going to, yeah. Yeah. And that was my biggest thing, like, coming out of that school. It was really eye-opening for many different reasons because I went to go see a play, like, every two weeks. And I saw so much bad theater, but I saw so much good theater. Yeah. You know, and so much small theater and innovative and courageous theater. and it really just formed and shaped me. What I saw really formed and shaped me more than what I learned in school.

25:25Yeah. And now you find yourself, sorry, Sean, you find yourself at a place of great success with tons of momentum and futures wide open. Did you allow yourself to see yourself at this place at this age? Or are you kind of like, you know, it's a tough question to answer, but are you where you thought you would be? Are you over-performing, underperforming? You've got to be happy. You've got to be content. You know, this is a weird business. And, you know, psychologically, it's a huge mindfuck to be a part of this business because I never thought I would be here. Like, I never, when I got into this business, I didn't say, oh, I want to be famous or I want to be a movie star.

26:12I literally dreamed about being a working actor. I wanted to work at the Guthrie. I wanted to work at Penumbra. That's why you've had longevity. And that was the focus of my career. Like, how can I do these great roles, these great American theater roles in great theaters around the country? And it just so happened, because it sounds like such an asshole story. So when we were doing Up Against the Wind, there was this amazing casting director named Molly Finn, guy, rest her soul. And she was in New York. She came to see the play. And Curtis Hanson was putting together 8 Mile. Right. That's right.

26:58So she came to see the play. I get to audition for Curtis Hanson. And I was always a huge fan of Curtis from LA Confidential, from all the shit he had did. And my audition, like, it was just funny. I always had a belief. if you get people to directing you and working with you, that's because they're interested in you. If you audition and they go, good job, kid, thanks for coming in, then nine times out of 10, you ain't getting that job. So I walk in and I meet Curtis, sit down. Curtis was a cool cat, like love him to death. And I asked him, I said, so that was right when, like a year after Wonder Boys had came out.

27:38And I said, Curtis, I have a question for you before we start. He's like, yeah, sure, go ahead. So I was like, Wonder Boys. I'm like, was that meant to be an ode to Alfred Hitchcock or were you like directing it in a sense towards the ideals and teachings of Hitchcock and the way he worked? So he goes, whoa, what are you talking about? What do you mean? So I explained to him what I saw in the movie and, you know, what he did with Tobey Maguire and the backdrops in the scene and the escalating visual aspect that tied into the mental frustration of the character. and we talked for like an hour about Wonder Boys.

28:17I never read, never did my audition. So I come out and I'm like, fuck. Oops, I blew my time. You know? So I'm like, don't do that again. Don't do that again. So three weeks later, he called and he was like, yo, cast somebody else in a role that you came in for, but there's another role. It's only four days. If you, I don't want to offend you. I know you're a trained actor, but if you're willing to do it, you know, I'd love to have you in Detroit. So I'm like, hell yes, Curtis Hanson. So fly to Detroit and just sit with Curtis Hanson and eat dinner and like kick it for like two weeks. And the role only was four scenes.

29:02Right. And he was like, you have anything booked after this? I said, not. He was like, well, so if I extend your role, you can stay. I'm like, fuck yeah, I can stay. I didn't go in nowhere. So they extended my contract to a run-off picture, and we developed that role over the course of June. That's really cool. And that's kind of how it started. That's amazing. That's so cool. You guys kind of built it off a person, just like a dialogue that you were having with him about a shared interest. That's so... That's what's so funny in the movie. like Eminem has that, you know, rap at the end of the movie where he's like, you went to private school and all that shit.

29:45If you go back, like he's, we had a conversation a week before and we're talking shit and, you know, Emin is just an amazing dude and a lovely human being. Once you spend time with him, it's just funny, but he's always learning and hearing and listening. Like he's like a fucking sponge. So we get to set the next day and he's like, yo, there's no reason why I don't like this dude. Like, yeah, we beefing, but nobody knows about our backstory and our history. So we need to put that in a script. So Curtis was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you write, you write. So it comes the battle scene, right? And I write my rhyme.

30:21I'm like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right, we go to set and fucking Eminem starts his rap. And he's like, you went to private school. I was like, I did go to private school. He's like, your parents have a real good marriage. I'm like, my parents do have a real good marriage. You motherfucker, you talking about me.

30:42That's cool, that's cool. Wow. Now, wait a second. Wait, so was 8 Mile your first movie? That was my very first movie, yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That is so cool. 2001, man, that was my first movie. Nice start. That was my first job. Isn't that crazy? I mean, it was your first job. It was your first massive movie. I know. Yeah. Yeah, that's wild. Good for you. I did Up Against the Wind off Broadway and then went into Eight Mile. Have you been back to theater yet? Yeah, I did. Well, the last time I did theater was 2016 with Chris Walken and one of the most amazing human beings on earth, Sam Rockwell and Zoe Kazan.

31:24Oh, we love some. Called Behanding in Spokane. Oh, yeah. And I'll tell you what, if you haven't worked with Chris Walken, just save up some money, produce a play and fucking do a play with chris walker that motherfucker's amazing like that was that was the pinnacle of being able to do theater to see him on stage every night i bet i bet that's really cool what a cool experience you know a lot of people say you know what acting is the study of human behavior and there's human psychology and stuff like that you've done so many on so many different roles and so many played so many different people do you find yourself uh outside of work kind of getting people's heads or analyzing people's behavior analyzing the human behavior outside of a role like i find myself doing that probably to a fault sometimes because i'm like oh that person acts like that because of a b you know what i mean do you do that well no that that's a very interesting perspective and great question because I do that all the time.

32:23But in this generation, people are so thwarted with their own insecurities that you can't really ask questions about why they do something or how they think because they instantly go on the defensive because they haven't even thought about why they do the things they do and why they think the way they do. Yeah, they don't think that deep. Yeah, and my thing is, as an actor, it's really interesting to me to try and understand people and the knowledge and the aspect of what happened on the course of your day to make you act or react at the way you did just now. Right, I love that, yeah. And you just ask questions, like, why do you think that way?

33:06Or what made you think that? And it's like, oh, you're just being an asshole. Right, yeah, because I'll drive Scotty, my husband, crazy. I'll constantly ask him every day, hey, how are you? What are you doing? What are you thinking about? What's going on? You all right? Like trying to get in there because he's like, yeah, get out of my face. I'm fine. I'm fine. You know? Is that right? You're a digger and he's just like, just let me be quiet. Yeah, like there's nothing wrong. Is he really grouchy? Does he seem really grouchy? No, no, I just want to know. But he goes, if you keep asking me, that's what I'm going to get upset.

33:45Exactly. You know what I mean? Like over and over. Sounds like a great match for me. You ever get tired of Scotty, you send him over to me. We'll be quiet in the car together. We'll be so quiet. Just sit over there and shut the fuck up. But I didn't know, Anthony, if you're like that, Anthony, where anything like me, where if it's in a relationship, whether it's a friend or a coworker or a romantic relationship, whatever it is, I just sometimes overanalyze people to death. And they're just like, okay, stop talking. Yeah, I try to. And I just ask questions and give them space to breathe and just see what comes out of that.

34:18But for some reason, people take that as you being an asshole and they get upset with you because you try and understand them and they've never tried to understand themselves. And the more I understand you, the easier and better this relationship will work out. Like I was having a conversation the other day and my boy was like, you need to come to LA and go to the parties and meet these directors so people can see you. And I'm like, yo, after 25 years, if I got to go to a party at like so-and-so's house for you to want to work with me, then fuck you, dude. You know what I mean? It's like you've been in this game long enough to where like you know the people that like are doing it in the way they're doing it.

35:03What's this game now? What is this new game? Now all of a sudden I got to come to parties and do blow off of Jason's dick for us. Yeah, exactly. Leave that up to me. But it was a nice short line though, wasn't it? Jason, stop putting blow on your dick. Well, it's a short line. I can't really fit a line on there. It's just little upgrades. By the way, you'll hear funny. I texted this to JB twice this week. In the same day, two people came up to me and go like, hey, I know your buddy Jason. I used to party with him back in the day. I used to live in Venice and this other guy. I worked with him on a thing and I texted JB.

35:35And JB goes, yeah, I put a lot of people into rehab. Bye. Have fun. They spent a week with Jason in 1995, and they were screwed. They were done. They were done. Wait, so you do. Sean brought up, I mean, you've done, I mean, you've just done countless movies, and you've done so many different kinds of characters. So many different parts. I know, so many. And you're off-Broadway, Broadway. Obviously, we mentioned Juilliard, and you did all this stuff. And then, I mean, you were in Hurt Locker. Like, you've been in all these, like, you know, celebrated films. And then you get asked to become part of the MCU.

36:12And what was that process like? That's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tracy. She knows that. That's one we don't need to explain. I don't know. Is Tracy a big Marvel fan? She doesn't strike me. Sean's sister, sorry. She really likes rom-coms. Right, yeah. Oh, okay. So, Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here we go. What was that call? Like, what was that conversation? And were you like, yes, or were you like, ah, skeptical? Was the first one, to Will's question, was the first one. Winter Soldier. Was that the first one? That was the first one. Yeah, because I saw you in there. I saw, I love that movie, by the way.

36:47I love that movie. I know. And I love all of them. But I mean, like, when I saw you, it was like, what the, this guy's incredible. Like, what an unbelievable addition with the fucking, I mean, the costume, the character. What were your favorite parts? You know, the wings. So wait, so wait, so how did that roll out? How did that roll out? No, yeah, but yeah, how did it feel to get the call and like, what, and oh my God, and what was it like? Uh, you know, it came together like a, you know, it was like a... Well, I can say it was a what? Oh, my God. Tell us what... Yeah, because I can't imagine...

37:21No, I know. Tell us some more. No, I just can't imagine getting a call like that. Sean, if Scottie knew Sean was about to get the call, he'd put a diaper on him first. Like a little baby chimp about to get his first taste of ice cream. Fucking what?

37:44running around this townhouse with no elevator just doing zoomies zoomies on the floor with a belly full of zan

37:55and a diaper full of no but that must have been a cool that must have been a pretty cool day like hey you want to come and join the fucking biggest thing in the cinematic world really funny no it It was. It was a really cool call to get. You know, but the problem was - But it wasn't Chekhov at Lincoln Center. So it was like, you had to think, okay, can I bear this and still pursue that, right? Like there's a strategic career, gross sort of conversation you have to have with yourself and your team, perhaps at times when you get opportunity, right? But that script was phenomenal, I'm sure. Like, it's not like, you know what I mean?

38:34Well, but that's the problem with Marvel. You don't know. You don't get to read the script. You don't get to know anything. Like, I had a meeting with the Russo brothers and... These guys, they're wonderful. Two brothers from Cleveland. But with the great Italian heritage. These two guys. These are our boys really getting... We love Arrested Development. Okay. Anyway. we'll be right back.

39:09And back to the show. So the Russos call, we know Joe and Anthony real well. JB and I do. And so they call you and they're like, just say yes or no, sight unseen. Pretty much. We meet, it was such, it was like the most LA shit I've ever experienced. We go to this hotel and it's like all like art stucco and a swimming pool in the middle. And it's like all these ladies, these old ladies with like their lobster titties laying out by the pool. You know, we ordered lunch and they're just like fucking cooking. And Nate Moore and I were like the only two black dudes in the whole hotel. Like it was some LA Beverly Hills shit.

39:49Everybody has their shades on. So, you know, Joe Russo, he's the talker, you know? So Joe goes, look, Anthony, we have a script. We have an idea, you know, we have a character and we'd like you to play it. Is that something you're interested in? Mm-hmm. And I was like, yeah. Like, can I read it? He went, no. Wow. Can I know the character? No. Wow. So I didn't know who I was playing. No way. So what made you want to say, yeah? Joe's magnetism. Because I knew being in the MCU would, like, do for my career the same thing, you know, being nominated for an Oscar award. Yeah, for sure. Because at the end of the day, if you go up to, and I always do this with my friends, at the end of the day, if you go up to the average person and ask them who won Best Actor last year.

40:40No, no. They don't know. Nobody knows. Right. Not even the average person. Ask any of us who won Best Actor last year. Who won Best Actor? I have no idea. Adrian Brody. I can't tell you what. Adrian Brody. Go up to the average person and ask them who, average person our age. Ask them who played Rocky or who did this. So they'll always have those iconic characters and moments in their mind as opposed to an award push for you to get a statue. Sure. Right, right. Right. So in that respect, it's a no-brainer. It's like, like I said, it's like, hey, we're running the biggest deal in the game right now.

41:21Do you want to jump on this train? We're going this way. and you're like, I kind of want to go that way. Hell yeah. But then you let your eyes drift over to Anthony Russo and you're like, well, hang on a second. This guy has not stopped staring at me. Hasn't said a fucking word. Not a word. He just stares at you the whole time. And I want to know what the deal is. Ant is going to be a stone cold psycho with you while Joe's talking and eating a sandwich. He's trying to distract you with a shiny penny over here. Don't look at my brother. I always find it fun when Joe takes the time out from playing fantasy football to actually have a conversation with you.

42:00That part's fun. To stop looking at his phone to actually look at you and talk to you for one second. You feel like the most special person. He's like the talented Mr. Ripley. He's like, so how's it going? And it's funny. So what happens? And so then at what stage of that whole thing do you get, do you finally kind of get keyed in on who your character is, like what his name is, what he is, where he lives, and then actually reading a script, et cetera, et cetera? Like how far down the road is that? Right before I got on a plane to go to Cleveland, because we shot that in Cleveland, mostly in Cleveland, some stuff in Atlanta.

42:39But I didn't have anything. I was just like Marvel. I loved the movies I'd always wanted to be in the movies since the first Iron Man I'm like I'm down I didn't know what the movie was I just thought because I had been approaching them I had had my team approach them a long time before about the idea of playing Black Panther like growing up Black Panther was one of my favorite comic books because my oldest brother read all the comic books so I always that was like Luke Cage and Black Panther were my two favorite comic icons, along with Superman. But they were my two favorite black dudes. And we had always gone after and circled the idea of, at some point in time, they have to do Black Panther.

43:25Like, you know, called them, emailed them, texted them. I write letters to Kevin Feige. Fuck you, Black Panther, right? Right, right, right. So I thought when they hit me up, they were like, you know, would you play this role? I'm like, of course it's Black Panther. But then when I got the script, I realized it was Sam Wilson. And once I started reading the history and the background about Sam Wilson, I realized the importance of him in the MCU. Like what Stan Lee intended for him to be and what he created him for was really amazing and really profound and really spoke to the idea of the perspective of the black American in America at that time.

44:05So it was him being a part of the Airborne was strategic. Him being ex-military was strategic. Him being a hustler from Harlem was strategic. All of those things were put in there to socialize and emulate what black culture was at that time in America. So as black culture evolved, so did Sam Wilson in the MCU. So you do that. So you get there and you appreciate that and you start getting into that. and then you eventually, and you make, I don't know how many movies you're, like you were in, obviously. Like seven. Yeah. Like six, seven. Now this is, this will be my 10th and 11th. 10th and 11th.

44:50I mean, how about, hey, Russos, hey, how about just a brief cameo? I know. That's all we're looking for. Jason and I know them. When they were just, they directed the pilot of the rest of the, You want to just call us and say, these are two of the oldest. We've known Joe and Anthony about as long as anybody in town. It would be great. Right? Jason, who knows those guys longer in town than us? Anthony is the end. Do not text Joe. That text will be lost. Great. It's unbelievable. Just a couple of nice seats for a premiere would be great. Yeah.

45:26Even just a discount at Regal Cinemas would, you know, I'd take that at this point. You know what I mean? But so you do. So this is your 9th and 10th or 10th and 11th. And then when was it that you made the transit when you became Captain America? Because that's a pretty, that sort of mantle was handed over. When was that? That was at the end of Endgame, which was weird because that's when, you know, all the shit changed. Like that's when, you know, Disney bought Marvel and Disney Plus became a thing. And after Endgame was when everything turned into this idea of Marvel and Marvel streaming and Marvel TV and all these different entities under the Disney umbrella.

46:10so because of that um which i was very happy about because you could put so much in a eight-part series as opposed to a hour and 45 minute movie um the uh falcon winter soldier show was more so about the idea of sam wilson becoming captain america and leaving all the other shit behind so that's what i did after endgame because nobody knew like on endgame i I didn't know I was going to fucking be Captain America. Nobody knew that shit. Like, I found that out the day we were on set. I didn't know about that. But that Sunday, Sunday, we were at Chris's house watching football, and I found out at Chris's house that Monday morning we were shooting a scene where I became Captain America because he had got those pages Wednesday.

47:02No way. You guys don't even get a script when you start a project. Wow. No, you get a script, But as soon as you get the script, you put it down, and every day you get pages. Oof. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're like, hey, you better read these pages because we're about to change the trajectory of your character, your life, your career. Like, right? Like, just. So, like, is there like a group of, like, super dorks that are sitting around a table and figuring out how all of these different characters. Yeah, that's what I want to know. Intertwine and, like. What do you mean that's what you want to know?

47:35Look at the mirror, Sean. A one-year plan, five-year plan, ten-year plan for how all these characters slowly get closer to one another and cross-pollinate. And like, where's the think tank on all this stuff I want? And when does Mickey Mouse come into all of this stuff?

47:56You know, the idea is the scope of it all. The original plan was the first cycle, the first 10 movies to have that arc all the way to end game. And then all the other phases after that, they just build it out phase by phase. So you have the beginning, the middle, and the end of the phase and how that – I wouldn't even know where to start. Not at all. Would I start at Iron Man? And if I just started there, I'd start to get... You could do the Iron Man 1, 2, and 3, and then where do you move to? Well, see, this is the problem, all right? I don't think you need to watch all the movies. I don't think some of the movies, like the Thor movies, don't really translate into the universe.

48:44But there's probably some useful information there that affects other stuff, right? Not really, because that's Thor's own thing. That shit is so far out. Like, it's so different because he's a god. Like, that shit, when you see Thor come into the MCU, you never see anybody go to his universe. Right, right. So Spider-Man wasn't around because Spider-Man was owned by Sony. And Spider-Man came into the world on Civil War. So you don't need to watch any 17 incarnations of Spider-Man. Got it. So the movies you really need to watch are the Iron Man movies and the Captain America movies. Those are the ones that give you the through line.

49:23And that'll get me to Avengers? So Captain America, the first Avenger, and all the Iron Man and Captain America movies will get you to Endgame. Jamie, I think we need to do, you and I need to do an MCU film fest in your new theater. And we'll do a marathon. Please, when are you home? Well, I'm sure one of y 'all got a movie theater in y 'all house. No, Jason does. I'm sure all three of you have movie theaters in there. I do not, I do not. Jason does. It's not in his house. It's its own building. Now listen. So it literally has a different address. Hey, Hampton, next question.

50:00But so you do all that stuff. And then you're, I don't know how you find the time to do all this other stuff. Not to mention the fact that we've got Twisted Metal Season 2, which premieres end of July. This is the thing you're producing, Willie? Yeah. Yeah, on Peacocks. That's end of July. Season two comes out on that, which is a huge hit for Peacock. So that's coming out. You're promoting that. Second season's super fun. Anthony's so good. If you haven't seen it, Anthony is so good in it. It's so funny. It's a good time. It's a good time. It's fun. You're a band member in a hard metal band? No, but not a bad pitch.

50:41No, Dad. We're like on the road with you. It's like stuffing the bus. No, Dad. fucking he's too busy listening to yacht rock to watch our fucking show yeah totally no it's a it's a post-apocalyptic world it's basically based on a video game man the video video game twisted metal which was big in the 80s and 90s uh 90s and early 2000s it um it's a uh we got the the property and built out this world behind the lead character john doe and you know it's the post-apocalypse and the world is basically falling apart, but you see John Doe and the rest of the characters trying to maneuver through it and figure out how to get inside what is now the real world, which are these walled-in cities all over the world where society and reality still exist instead of the war zone that's outside the walls.

51:31But Anthony, you know, there's so many projects that you're... I know. It's mind-blowing. Do you... When do you go to the market? Anthony, do you remember we would have meetings when we were first working on Twisted Metal? We had a couple development meetings or something, and I'd be like, Anthony, where are you? And he's like, I'm in Saudi Arabia. I'm on a boat. He literally is like, I'm on a boat in Saudi Arabia. And I'm like, what are you talking about? All right, so then this prompts the obvious question. Let's talk about domestic life. do we have a family that we're trying to navigate through all this?

52:16Or are you just a rock and single and you just can take your show on the road? No, the one thing I realize is being like, I'm a firm believer that I think, like I love to work. Yeah, clearly. I feel like me working is my happiness. I'm with you. You know, I love to stay busy. It's like, that's just my joy. And, you know, sadly to say that most of the times when you're gone for four and five months at a time, relationships don't really fit into that. And all of my free time and all of my empty brain space goes to my kids. You know, it's like I have I have four sons and, you know, four little boys, dude.

52:57Like they are so interesting and different and manipulative and just little assholes at the same time. So it's like, you know, you have to, like, every free moment I have is a moment to fall in love with my boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't really have space. Are they able to come with you on some of these things? Well, they do. Every once in a while. They'll come out and visit. But the problem is I have to remember that they have their own lives. Exactly. You know, like now I'm in Budapest and my boys have worked all school year for two and a half months of summer. Exactly. so do I say fuck your camps fuck your friends fuck your fun you come to Budapest and sit in this hotel room while I'm at work can you see them I get to see you right before you go to bed same exact problem I would hate that so it's a you know well what hotel which hotel depends the Budapest hotel yo my boys they love a good room service boy they're fucking Chicken wings are.

54:05Chicken tenders? And craft service. I bet you Marvel puts up a nice craft service on set, too. Good snacks. Yo, our crafty is crazy. I'll bet. I'll tell you. And then you can go over to Downey's camp, too, and get a little something extra. And then it's crazier. But, like, one day I snuck over. Well, you'll get your fiber in Downey's camp. Oh, sure. If you're gluten intolerant, just step over there. So when he had the pizza truck, I went up to his security. Security is a real cool guy. And I was like, look, man. I went over to the pizza truck, and all them were sitting in there talking. I'm like, I don't want to sit in there and talk to them motherfuckers.

54:37I want to make pizza. So I go over with the pizza guys and start making pizza on the truck, right? So I make this dope, delicious, I mean, chef's kiss pizza, right? So I cut a piece off, and I go over to Downey's security guard, and I'm like, yo, man, here's a slice of pizza. Like, I know you've had a long day. So I just wanted to introduce myself. We haven't met. My name's Anthony. It's so great to meet you. He's like, oh, nice to meet you. So two days later, I'm like, I want to sneak in Robert's fucking base camp. And he's like, who the fuck are you? Yeah.

55:12You got an idea or something? I go in my trailer. I don't have ice. I'm like, I know who has fucking ice, right? So I sneak over to Robert's base camp. I go to the security guard. I was like, yo, what's up? He's like, Anthony, how's it going? He's like, that was a great pizza. Thanks. I was like, hey, you mind if I go in right quick? He's like, no, go right ahead. I stole all his fucking ice. That's how it works, kid. That's how it works. That's right. It's who you know. It's who you know. It's who you know. There's no little man on this pole. Well, listen, man. We've taken up too much of your time.

55:44You're over there. You're working. You're having a good time. You're probably on your weekend, and we're eating into it. Yeah, that's really nice of you. Dude, I think, Anthony, it's always awesome to talk to you. Again, you're the busiest dude I know. You're such a super talented dude. So impressive. And if you haven't seen Twisted Metal, please see Twisted Metal Season 2 on July 31st on Peacock. Like I said, Anthony's amazing in it. And then your new show coming out next year on Apple, 12-12-12, which is going to be amazing. And more Avengers and more all of it. And dude, Anthony. Keep it coming.

56:17We love it. Yeah, keep it coming. Continued success, dude. You're a great dude. Thanks a lot, man. Appreciate it. Sean, I'm going to come check you when I get back to London. Your mind will be well. I love it. I love it. Thank you. I love it. I feel like you like April Spritz and shit. So we can have like an April Spritz. I'll have it. I'll have anything with a Spritz in it. Yeah. I would love that, Anthony. It'd be great to see you too. Yeah. So come on down. I would love it. I'd be so honored. Definitely. Will do. Great to see you. Thank you. Thanks a lot, guys. Thank you, pal. See you, buddy.

56:49Oh, Sean. Hey, Sean. Great job. Great job. I didn't know. You know, Sean's been working with a tutor, an interview tutor. Thank you. It's subtle, but it's much better. Thank you. I mean, I'm billing her three ways. How could he? He's the only nominated interviewer that we've got. There's always room to improve, he said to me in a text. Were you not on that? No. How great is Anthony, right? Yeah, he's great. I've never met him, never seen an interview with him, and that was awesome. Yeah, he's really cool. He's such a great dude. And he's, when you look at his credits, it's so unbelievably impressive.

57:32Not just the volume, but all the different kinds of characters he's played. I'd love to see him on stage too. I bet he's a beast. Incredible on stage. And you see that like, you see, remember he said early on, he was like, well, you know, you don't want to, you want to come out, you want to do too many different things because you don't want people to think you're all over the place. I'm like, dude. Mission accomplished. Yeah. I mean, he's covered every corner. Yeah. I know, and he's got like 17 things coming out soon. I know. There was one year, I think, where he had like eight movies in theaters at the same time.

58:05Are you kidding me? No. Crazy. Yeah. Oh, my God. The promotional work on that must have been a nightmare. That's the first thing you think. All the stories you've got to come up with. Oh, my God. Oh, God. How about this anecdote? You immediately think about the chunk. Yeah. Yeah. That's the first thing you think of. Oh. You have to think of like so many different ways on that junket. Like what? Good. No. Work on it a little bit more. Come back to us, Will. That was just a straight up. Oh, you got another one? You know what you ought to do next time you're trapped in the elevator? Think of some good vibes.

58:44Yeah. And just put a chalkboard in there, you know what I mean? Is there a new dad joke you've got for us today? We haven't had a dad joke today. I'd really like one. I did have did I do the did I do the what did the pirates say when he turned 80 did I do that one already no uh uh what did the pirates say when he turned 80 well what I'm 80 I'm 80

59:14that really got him I just I just love them so much but I love them coming out of Sean's face I know You know, because he's just like, I'm half laughing already when I'm around him. He puts a grin on my face. What did the pirate say after they plundered the other boat? What? Bye, matey, matey. Oh, it's so fun hanging out with you guys. Jesus. Bye, gang. Smart. Nice.

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