"Cillian Murphy"

10:00Will Arnett:No, I mean, I'm just thinking about it.

10:03Cillian Murphy:Yeah. But I will be approaching, I'll be in bed by like half nine.

10:07Will Arnett:Right? You're good. We're all in the same.

10:11Sean Hayes:It's so nice.

10:11Will Arnett:Yeah, I think the four of us are very good at relaxing and taking it easy. Now, is that because we're of a certain age or is it because we've all really been good at getting after it? And we're kind of done with that. Yeah. Right? I did it. and now I want to enjoy the relaxation of wisdom and age.

10:34Cillian Murphy:I mean, what do you guys think? What's your feeling? Well, I 100 % agree with Jason, although I was going to ask you, Killian, is like the having, I'm doing theater right now and I know you've done a lot of theater and it's like all of a sudden you have to retrain your brain to have the most energy at 8 p.m.

10:54Sean Hayes:Yeah. You know, and it's like of the whole day, You have to have most of your energy at 8 p.m. And boy, it's rough. Are you going on stage tonight? Tomorrow, my quote-unquote week starts Wednesdays.

11:07Will Arnett:And he's doing a one-man show, Killian. I think you've done one of those, haven't you?

11:10Cillian Murphy:I certainly have, yeah. Wow, good man. It's a lot. It's like the fucking Everest of acting. That's what I call it. It's pretty rough.

11:20Will Arnett:Did you ever have, well, Shani, I haven't asked you. I'll ask you both at the same time. Has there been a wipeout yet? like a total like because that's my fear like there's no net there's no there's no actor you can find the eyes of and sort of communicate silently I have no idea what I'm supposed to say next throw me a line yeah my line the other night was he tells me the line is he tells me two kids came forward to confess to it it was an accident that's the line and three show three or four shows ago literally on stage he tells oh no he in a four-wheel slide. It's just unbelievable. I mean, you feel like it's 20 minutes long.

12:02And I go, teenagers, brand their car into them, killed them. And then I just started.

12:07Sean Hayes:By the way, I'm sure the audience probably did not know this. No, I know. And for you, it seemed like interminable. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:13Will Arnett:But isn't the line you have forgotten linked to the line that follows it? Yes, of course. And so you can't just improvise the line you can't remember because that doesn't shine any light on the next thing you're supposed to say. But you do know the kind of the context. You just kind of forget the word order. So then you paraphrase until you get back on the train. Yeah, you get back on. So you got right back on and it was all right. Yeah, yeah, it was fine. But Killian, any nightmare like that?

12:40Cillian Murphy:Yeah. You know what? You know the way when you're doing theater, it's like you got like the left-hand side and the right-hand. So you've got the sort of stage manager side of your brain and you've got the acting side of your brain, right? So you've got the stage manager side going, right? you drop the prop back there so you've got to go back and pick up the prop while you're saying the lines. That's right. That's right. And they're acting similar. They're running parallel. So you've got this kind of management in your head going, well, you've got to fix this and then the other side is talking.

13:07Cillian Murphy:So I did probably but I was, it was like, I quite liked not having to rely on the, you know, the terrified eyes across the stage to some other actor like saying, can you pick up the fucking knife that was not supposed to be? So I quite enjoyed it but what i did find and i don't know about you sean i could not sleep after it i could not go to sleep it's been rough really yeah just wired yeah absolutely it was like being thrown out

13:34Will Arnett:of a helicopter i could not sleep how are you about about the folks coming backstage and wanting to congratulate you and and talk a little bit like are you i would imagine that i'm obsessed with this i know because i don't want to be fucking bothered for the most part at any point in the This will keep you from doing Broadway.

13:53Sean Hayes:This very thing will keep you from doing Broadway. I'm with you though, Jay.

13:56Will Arnett:But I just feel like I would feel burdened to make the person feel comfortable backstage. And I would just feel their awkwardness and I would feel like I need to host them now and I need to, just because I don't want people to feel uncomfortable. So like I'm still working, I'm still on. and do you feel that either one of you guys with that moment, Killian?

14:25Cillian Murphy:Yeah, and I would be, I think when I was younger, I would always be up for the, like, come back to the dressing room and we'll have a drink and we'll go out. But then as I got older, I just couldn't fake it, I think. Yeah. And then, but equally I couldn't sleep. So I didn't know what to do. Like I didn't go for a long walk, have a bath. Because of the adrenaline you mean still? Yeah. And then go to the pub. I didn't want to go to the pub. Sit alone drinking, not a good idea. So what do you do? I don't know what to do. Especially in the top. I don't know what to do.

14:58Will Arnett:Well, can I ask you, this is another thing I'm fascinated with, and you guys plug yours, you've heard me twat on about this before, but is it the same practice overseas there that it is apparently in New York where if you are famous, even pseudo-famous, you are obligated. you are obligated to go backstage and pay your respects and say hi. Even if the actor, even if you don't know the actor, any of the actors, and they don't know that you're there. Like, is that apparent? What I've heard is that it's very rude to just watch the show and leave if you're of any sort of notoriety. Is that the same thing over there?

15:41Will Arnett:Do you guys go back? Do you guys go back? Sometimes. My other half makes me go back. So you'd prefer not to, but you recognize that there is a practice, there is a tradition, there's an obligation. There is, yeah. Yeah, there's like a little pressure. Like if they know you're in the audience because the stage manager comes up and says, I would love to say hi. Yeah, if they do that, then of course, then you do that.

16:03Sean Hayes:That's just courteous. But if you don't know the person and they haven't made that connection, I think you're well within your right to just sort of quietly bow out. Yeah, I mean, I've had people come that don't come back. I don't think anything about it.

16:14Will Arnett:Even if they're not in house seats or anything like that. There's no way for them to assume that you know that they're there. I went to see Sean in previews.

16:23Sean Hayes:I went to see Sean in previews. I didn't tell him, and I just left. I didn't even go and say hi to him. And it wasn't until we all went together that I went backstage. Not true, Sean. Not true.

16:31Will Arnett:So, Killian, it's the same thing overseas as far as the practice, the tradition? Yeah, I mean, I can't.

16:38Cillian Murphy:People do. I remember once I was doing a show in New York, and I had a night off like you have, Sean. and at the time John Hurt was doing Crap's Last Tape and I went to see the play and it was unbelievable and it was, you know, it was John Hurt. And the stage manager came up and said, would you like to go back and meet Mr. Hurt? And I went, I was doing a show at the same time and I thought, would I like if John Hurt came back to see me? No, I wasn't comparing myself to John Hurt. And I went, you know what, I think he's probably a bit tired. I'm going to just leave him. So I just left. And then afterwards I went, you fucking idiot.

17:11Cillian Murphy:Why didn't you not go back and meet John Hurt? He's like one of my acting heroes. But I didn't because I felt he might be a little tired.

17:18Will Arnett:And it's like you're famous, I'm famous, so I thought I'd come back and say hi. That's the thing that sort of cringes me out about it. But I hear that it's actually the opposite, that it's... You should bring it up more often, Jay.

17:30Sean Hayes:Yeah, you should. I don't know. Wait, I want to hear about Killian's musical career. I didn't know this about you. Can you expand on that a little bit?

17:42Cillian Murphy:Yeah. Well, it seems to be quite common, doesn't it? That there's a lot of frustrated musicians in acting. I've encountered lots of them. And yeah, it's initially what, and I'm sure there's probably some of you guys are among them, but that's all I wanted to do from the very beginning was play music. And when I saw you, Jason, was at the Radiohead show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, obviously, it didn't work out. So I kind of moved into theater, I think, to try and get that live experience, that connection with an audience that you get when you play music. And then that just became the main thing.

18:26Cillian Murphy:But it was always music. And I'm still obsessed with it. Are you? My first love. I didn't know that. Are you in a band? I'm sorry. Forgive me. No, I mean, why would you? I don't expect you to.

18:39Will Arnett:He was with his brother. and is it true this is Wikipedia facts so forgive our rigorous journalism skills but you guys had a band together and then there was a record label that wanted you to sign but you were like this smells like maybe an overreach and so let's not sign and then things kind of transitioned into theater and that became your passion, was that kind of the way it went?

19:09Cillian Murphy:More or less, yeah. More or less. Like it was, my brother was still in, he was playing keys in the band and he was only 16 or something when we were on for the record deal. So my parents said, absolutely verboten, you're not like ruining your life. They said to me, I can ruin my life. But then we just didn't.

19:26Will Arnett:But Paddy was going to protect.

19:28Cillian Murphy:Yeah. So we, it just all kind of fell apart. Yeah. And then I'd never been to the theater before that. And then after that, I saw a play in Cork City, where I'm from, which was like... Locked up Orange? Exactly, yeah. And it was a promenade version of that play. And absolutely, absolutely, like, I just, it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen. Had you seen the film before that? Not at that, it was banned in Ireland. Oh, really? It was banned in Ireland for, the first time I saw it was I bought a VHS copy of it in Canada. Wow. Wow. Yeah. That's wild. My grandpa's from Dingle. We love it in Canada.

20:10We love it. My grandfather's from Dingle. My grandmother is from County Kerry.

20:17Cillian Murphy:Oh, man. I mean, I spent a lot of time in Dingle and around. It's beautiful, right? It's like my favorite place in the world.

20:25Sean Hayes:Oh, yeah.

20:25Cillian Murphy:It's beautiful.

20:26Sean Hayes:Shani, have you been over there? Yeah, just once. It's just absolutely, I mean, to Ireland a couple times, but to Dingle just once. I still have cousins, like distant cousins, I think, that still live there. But yeah, it's really pretty over there. I thought you were going to say, I still have a sweatshirt that says, I got this. Jingleberry? Yeah. So the first time you really experienced the theater is when you saw Clockwork Orange on stage. Is that what your testimony is? Do we have your answer right? Yeah.

20:58Will Arnett:Well, how did that moment go? because your parents are both educators, yes?

21:05Cillian Murphy:Correct, yeah.

21:06Will Arnett:And so this conversation of, hey, I've got good news and even better news. I'm stopping my pursuit of rock and roll and I'm going into theater. Were they buoyed by that or were they like, no, Killian were they alright with it?

21:34Cillian Murphy:Like I was you mentioned I had a very short flirtation with like law I did like a year of a law degree and I failed like abysmally and then I tried to get the repeats and then I got the repeats and then I got a part of the play so I think by that stage they'd kind of gone like whatever, just he's gonna do his thing. You know, I was I was 20 then. So that's when you're meant to make mistakes, isn't it?

22:02Will Arnett:Of course. Yeah, and sort of declare I'm not really sure, but I'm following some instincts, and those are going to change.

22:08Sean Hayes:Listen, Killian, I'm considering making mistakes, and I'm 55. Yes, you're all the same. Right? I am, as I said the other day, I'm firmly in the student section in life. I've finally come to that realization that I'm like, it's okay.

22:22Will Arnett:Well, your tan in the ceiling fan looks like you're doing all right right now.

22:26Sean Hayes:It is. I know, it's really going. I'm sorry about that. I had to walk around and find the best place to get internet. I'm not kidding. Checking out what had the best. It's right there. It's right here. You've got a monkey on a wheel. All right.

22:37Will Arnett:You know, just keeping the Wi-Fi going.

22:39Sean Hayes:But I'm curious about you deciding to try to get a law degree, like that decision. And then while you're doing that, thinking the whole time, wait a second, I'd rather be doing theater. Like I've been affected by this. I've got this thought. How did that all kind of transpire?

22:58Cillian Murphy:I think I just had that natural inclination to perform, which I'm sure you guys are familiar with. Just from the very early age, I'm quite a shy person, but I really enjoy getting up on a stage. I hate getting up on stages myself, but I love getting up on stage as someone else or playing music.

23:14Will Arnett:Isn't that a weird thing where, you know, I think all four of us are, you know, proudly private people. we don't we're not we're not shy per se because of what we do but like isn't it isn't an interesting thing where we'll sit there in front of the camera and be exposed to millions and millions of people you know wanting uh hoping in a perfect world millions of people are going to watch what i am doing yet we sort of shy away from being um you know the center of attention uh often when we when we go out or or even when we go out to promote that thing that we want people to see we're sort of like i mean i'll speak for myself it's like oh i i i gotta go out and talk about it over here and over there and kind of light my hair on fire it is sort of the the two things are kind of at odds with one another the the uh one's controlled and one isn't yeah that's a very good point that's true that's true what's your what's your what's your favorite way uh killian to interact with fans?

24:19Will Arnett:Like, when is it comfortable for you? I think I know what my answer would be.

24:25Cillian Murphy:Well, tell me yours. Tell me yours.

24:28Will Arnett:I feel if it's one-on-one and them, us talking is not going to cause a larger sort of spectacle and cause a scene. Like, I don't want to embarrass myself, my kids, them, you know, create a... So like in an elevator, if it's just me and one person, and we can have a little conversation as opposed to, oh, take a picture here, and then people walking by look at what's going on here. Oh, maybe I should get a picture too. Oh, yeah, I recognize that person. And then it becomes a thing, and then, I don't know. I like sort of the one-on-one stuff.

25:06Cillian Murphy:What about you? I'm the same, yeah. I love a chat. I love when you have a real chat, and someone has really enjoyed something you've done. Particularly, we've all been in shows that have run a long time and people love, the people get very invested in characters, right? Sure. And so you have to acknowledge that investment and that they've spent that much time with your characters. And I love those conversations. I don't like when stuff gets fetishized. He's going to the shop to buy milk, oh my God. He's just like us. Right. But I love a conversation. Right. And we will be right back. Support for today's episode comes from Square, the system powering like half the places you go.

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28:55Will Arnett:Are you able at times to have the same kind of experience with your characters that some of your fans might? In other words, are you able to watch what you do and enjoy it from an audience point of view? Or can you not get the separation from your experience inside the character?

29:18Cillian Murphy:That's a great question. And I'd love to hear what you guys think about it.

29:22Will Arnett:Well, start with like, do you watch your own stuff? Or are you an actor that... Because I know both. Both very, very good actors that watch themselves and learn from that. and then others that they can't and they won't.

29:36Cillian Murphy:Well, it's different jobs sometimes, isn't it? Like this Peaky Blinders film, like we had the premiere last night in Birmingham. I just watched it two nights ago. It's incredible. Incredible. I can't wait to see it. It was very cool. And when I was producer on that, so I've seen the thing like 500 times. So, you know, I like, it was a very different kind of experience watching it too. when you just turn up as an actor for hire and you do your work and then you see it. And some stuff I've never seen at all. And some stuff I'm immensely proud of. But again, I feel like I try to move forward with everything.

30:16Cillian Murphy:Then it's about the next thing rather than going backwards. What about you guys? What's your take on it? Do any of you sit around watching your work endlessly? No. That's how I wake up every morning.

30:28Will Arnett:I can't get out of bed without it.

30:31Sean Hayes:That's your alarm.

30:32Will Arnett:What about on set? Will you ever watch a little bit of playback even at the beginning of the production just to get a sense of how you're coming across, how they're lighting you, little lenses, or just to get a feel of the tone of it? Occasionally, particularly for technical stuff,

30:47Cillian Murphy:like stuff that's technical or a stunt or whatever. But I know I would never go back and look at big emotional stuff. But the producing thing has been interesting because it takes the curse off it a little bit. You look at it and you just go, oh my God, that's how you look. And then you just go, right, but it's important for this character to do this and this guy's got to enter here and she's got to say this and we've got to cut here. And then it takes the curse off it.

31:13Sean Hayes:Well, and you look at it through a different lens, obviously, right? So you just, like this thing that I did last year, I spent a lot of time having to watch different cuts and stuff and eventually got to a place where I got over watching myself and was actually able to watch it really objectively about, wait, are we telling the best version of the story? We should go back. We should tell you, are we telling the best version? Is this the best take? But all these kinds of things, you know. And it did, as you say, sort of break the curse a little bit. I was no longer watching my performance. I was watching a bigger thing.

31:46Sean Hayes:Yeah, no vanity, just sort of being an audience member. Zero, zero. I always think I'm slightly better looking than I actually am. and then I'll watch it. I'll go, no, Ben, no, you're not. You're not at all, actually. Turned it off. Close to being what you thought you looked like. I know.

32:05Will Arnett:Well, Killian, speaking of music and then law and all this, was there ever a moment where, and thank God you didn't, but was there ever a moment where you thought, yeah, maybe this acting thing, let's put that in the bin as well. Let's try career path number four and go into industry X or occupation Y. Did you ever think about giving up on doing this?

32:35Cillian Murphy:No, really. After a period, you kind of like, you burnt your bridges, I think, and there's nothing else available, really. And during the fallow periods, obviously, you get really cranky. And I'm not a writer. I'm definitely not a writer. And so I didn't have that. But I would go and play music in the kind of follow bits or just, you know, just go and just watch movies and read books. But I didn't know. I never got to the stage where I thought, ah, fuck this. But I did, whenever stuff started to get kind of dry up in film or television, I was very lucky to have a friend of mine called Enda Walsh who I made an awful lot of theater with.

33:19Cillian Murphy:And we did some really great plays. He gave me my first ever part in a play after I saw Clockwork Orange when I was 19 or 20. And so I continued to work with him, making new plays throughout my 30s and 40s. And that kind of kept me sane, I think. You know when this stuff kind of just, people aren't calling, you know?

33:42Sean Hayes:Yeah. Wow, that's great. That's great. So you established, like, so long ago, this collaboration. And you've managed to sort of keep it going for all these years.

33:52Cillian Murphy:Yeah, I haven't done a play in a while now because it's kind of become a little terrifying to me. Honestly, I'm a little scared. Is it because you're worried about Jason Bateman

34:02Sean Hayes:coming backstage and saying hi after the show? Is that what's keeping you awake? Killian, it's me again.

34:08Will Arnett:I've come back for one more night.

34:10Sean Hayes:I'm just outside. I want every theater to put up Jason's picture backstage and do not let this guy back here. Super eager, will not leave. So you start going to try to do it and they're like, no, no, we're good.

34:23Cillian Murphy:It's the main reason I did this podcast so that we could talk about it.

34:27Sean Hayes:Send up the warning.

34:29Will Arnett:Is there something that you have, is there some sort of advice that you've gained with your experience now that you wish you could go back and tell that dude back then that don't worry about the fallow periods. It's going to be, is there something that you wish you would have known then that would have made those ups and those downs a bit more tolerable? Yeah.

34:55Cillian Murphy:This is a great question.

34:57Will Arnett:I mean, aside from, don't worry, you're going to win an Oscar one day. Hang in there.

35:00Sean Hayes:Yeah. You know? Yeah, that would definitely lighten the mood. Yeah.

35:05Cillian Murphy:I don't know. I think it's that thing about overthinking stuff, you know, overthinking it, over-intellectualizing everything and not sticking to your instinct, I think is the key thing for artists. It's a key.

35:21Will Arnett:What is that? I know, but what is that healthy balance? Because I've always heard that with everything in life, with all of us. I think we've all heard somebody say, ah, you're overthinking it. But like isn't, how do you know what the difference is between overthinking and just simply. An appropriate amount of thinking. Just using the intelligence that you've been working on. You know, it's like we work hard to be smart or at least we think that we're smart. And so how do you know when to pull back on that? I just don't know.

35:51Cillian Murphy:Well, what's your guys' approach to prep then, for example? Because sometimes I would get so over, it would just take up everything and everything. We're all consuming. But then the whole point when you get into a seat is that you have to be completely free of all that. Yeah, no action. So it's kind of counterintuitive or counterproductive to have all of that prep sometimes. I know it. But yet you think your duty is to do all of that. So what have you arrived at?

36:20Sean Hayes:It's shifted for me. It's shifted for me. I was different from Jason because I was blown away that, and maybe you do this too, Will. Do this too, Will. It's like I make sure I'm off book completely from the first time I step on set or walk out on the rehearsal room or whatever it is. Because if I have my book in my hand or whatever, I just can't be free, like you're saying, Killian, to explore and be. Where Jason has said in the past, where you don't make choices. You just literally memorize the words and then you work on it and rehearse.

36:50Will Arnett:But I don't even memorize the words because my, pardon the term, process, when I memorize has a lot to do with my imagination of kind of how that's going to kind of go. And I don't like to decide or start to approach the decision of how I'm going to do something until I see and understand what the other actors are going to be doing and what the director is looking for and how the scene is blocked and where a camera's going to be and all that stuff. Because if I predetermine how I'm going to do something and what my faces are going to look like, it might not work with what the other people are doing.

37:25Sean Hayes:You've got that book of faces. I know you've got that book of Polaroids.

37:28Will Arnett:I've got those memorized.

37:30Sean Hayes:I started memorizing in really monotone ways. It's truly, I started memorizing in monotone ways and recording myself, this is true, with a very monotone voice so that I had zero inflection and crossing out all stage direction and just taking all of that away. And I did get into a situation, I was working on this thing and I got there and they're like, now you've got to go and get the thing on the other side of the room. I'm like, oh, do I? I didn't even know that. You know, but actually it was very helpful because it just happened very organically and I hadn't thought about that. And so it's really shifted as I've gotten older how I look at it.

38:12Sean Hayes:and my preparation is so much different now than it was. And also, JB, I think about when we used to do Arrested Development, for instance, it was much more, Sean, it's a TV show. Yeah, it's a TV show. It used to be a band.

38:26Will Arnett:Sean's never seen it. We got sued by them.

38:29Sean Hayes:I think for when you're, I used to think about sort of prepping to do comedy especially because it was so quick and it would happen so that it didn't serve me certainly. and I know that you were similar in this way, JB, because we did a lot of scenes together, that it was, you just kept it, it was all kind of just at the surface until you got there.

38:52Will Arnett:Right, because that puts, that increases my odds of reacting to you like the audience is experiencing it.

38:59Sean Hayes:Yeah, it's so much about rhythm and comedy in that way.

39:01Cillian Murphy:Rhythm is the big thing, I think. The meaning can come after the rhythm, or I guess for you guys, like if the comedy or the gag or the bit, that comes out. But if you get into a rhythm in a scene, and I guess if you have a predetermined rhythm, then how are you going to lock in with anyone else? You can't.

39:20Sean Hayes:And you need to stay nimble to allow for shit to happen.

39:25Cillian Murphy:But I do think it's different for a theater because I would be the same as you, Sean. With a theater piece, I would be completely off book

39:32Sean Hayes:when I get to rehearsal. But you also, and here's the difference. You also have a theater. By the time you get there and you're in rehearsal, I mean, Sean, I know you, for instance, in this, and also for Goodnight Oscar. What a show! That you were completely off book. Yeah, I had to. But then you get into previews, and now you've got a couple weeks of previews. And changes. And it changes, and that starts to eat away at all your predetermined stuff that you have. But you don't have that luxury when you're making a film or making a show. The performance is that day. And that's it. Yeah, it's funny.

40:11Sean Hayes:You know, it's funny. There is this one line where I reference a very famous musical in this current show. And one of the producers of this famous musical came to the show and didn't like that we mentioned his musical that he produced. So it's a 75-minute monologue. It's just me. And so we had to change the one word to another musical. And so from the time you started, all I thought about from the time the curtain opened was that one word I had. Make sure to get it right. And I was like, oh, shit.

40:42Cillian Murphy:From the time you started. Yeah. I was like, thanks a lot, dude. Yeah.

40:48Will Arnett:All right. Killian, 28 Days Later, that was first film?

40:59Cillian Murphy:No. No, I'd done a few films in Ireland, kind of small independent films in Ireland. This is the one that... What a film.

41:08Will Arnett:Yeah. put you on a lot of radars. I guess so, yeah. Yeah, and did it feel like, okay, I've got a little bit of wind at my back now and this might work out? Yes?

41:26Cillian Murphy:Yeah, yeah, I think so. At that stage, the film, like we never expected the film to do well and it did well. But you did have Danny Boyle. I mean, you knew your odds were good, right? They were good. They were, because he's a master. Sure. And I had, like, his posters of his films on my wall, on my bedroom growing up, you know, before I ever became an actor, because they were just so cool, like Trainspotting and Shallow Grave. Sure, I love Trainspotting and Shallow Grave. I mean, it's a masterpiece. But the thing about it was that zombie genre wasn't very cool at the time, or it wasn't really, like, there hadn't been kind of a zombie thing.

42:06Cillian Murphy:Right. And even though this is technically like an infection, they're not undead. But anyway, at that time that we shot it, like it was the summer of 2001. And then obviously like 9-11 happened. But before that, SARS had happened. And then obviously all those years later, like COVID happened and it became this kind of meme. It's a very prescient writing, very good writing. Yeah. And people went nuts for it, the original movie. so yeah it was a great start but I went through the ringer for that movie Danny I had like five or six auditions for that to get the perks I'd done very little at the time I kind of knew it was a real substantial script but Alex Garland wrote the script and Danny directed it great writer he was such a great writer and an amazing director amazing director

43:00Sean Hayes:what was the moment from your last audition when did you find out that you got it after going through all the auditions and being like, Jesus Christ.

43:08Will Arnett:You remember that moment? You remember where you were?

43:09Cillian Murphy:I do, actually. I do. I was in Stansted Airport in the queue to get a Ryanair flight back to Dublin, and Danny called me. I had to do one of those unbelievably contained celebrations where he dropped my bag and sit down. But yeah, it was massive for me. that movie it's fucking 20 23 years ago or something wow uh now he he he talks often

43:42Will Arnett:doesn't he about energy over perfection do i have that right his his sort of his mo on on on set can you can you explain what what he might mean by that what what it's what it's what his direction his environment is like what that set is like what his what his style is like sounds about right yeah

44:02Cillian Murphy:He's incredible energy and passion for it. Like, he never stops moving. He never stops. Like, he's on every single element of the set. And it's constant ideas. Constant. He's constantly pushing, you know, and really pushing the actors and pushing every department. And I absolutely loved that at that age. I don't think I'd been in, you know, working with someone who was so coherent in their vision for the film, if you know what I mean. Yeah, sure, just full enthusiasm

44:40Will Arnett:and just knows all four corners of what this scene's supposed to do and how it's supposed to be done.

44:46Cillian Murphy:Yeah, and it's infectious, and every time you think, oh, that was pretty good, like, you know, you're off again. And we shot that on domestic cameras, like these little, do you remember in the early 2000s, everyone had these little cameras with, like, cards in them and stuff. so they're all like stuff you could buy like camcorders almost yeah they were slightly more advanced I can't remember what the format is but anyway it was just one of those movies that kind of clicked yeah

45:14Will Arnett:a style that I would imagine is is it wildly different than you know what an incredible collaboration you've had with Christopher Nolan six projects right incredible that from what I from what I understand uh what I've heard is um um uh a more uh exacting and and and and contained and and deliberate approach um to to the execution yes or no and and you know to the extent you're comfortable talking about it because um I I I would assume that um you know environments on on sets well not assume I know uh they're they're often private you know individual environments that are weird to re-describe.

46:00Will Arnett:But it just strikes me having... Not many actors get to work with the same director. Six different projects. I'd imagine you guys have a bit of a shorthand and a real comfort in each other's style.

46:12Cillian Murphy:Oh, yeah. I mean, I've learned so much from Chris. He's completely kind of shaped my whole career. I mean, it's very clear, like working over 20 years. But he's absolutely remarkable. He is incredibly rigorous, incredibly precise, but within that, there's fantastic freedom. You know, there's only ever one camera, and there's Chris, and he's got this tiny little monitor that he has, like, puts back to back to back to. Never two cameras. Rarely, unless there's a big set piece, you know. But he has this tiny little thing, again, from, like, the 90s, that he watches this shitty little playback from the thing, but he rarely is watching it, because he's right beside the camera watching you.

46:55Cillian Murphy:and you'll never leave a scene unless he feels like you're happy and he's happy and it's I can't really explain how wonderful it is, how focused it is how fast it is, but yet it never feels fast, like we shot Oppenheimer in 59 days or something like that, it was absolutely bonkers with all that scope, that's amazing

47:18Will Arnett:so do you think that that speed or that efficiency just comes as a result of him really being precise about knowing what he wants, what he needs. He's properly prepared and he doesn't hang around longer than he's gotten what he wants for that particular shot. And off we go.

47:37Cillian Murphy:Exactly. I mean, he's written the thing and he knows every single frame. He storyboarded it all in his head. So it's, and the thing about Nolan movies is if when they used to be DVDs, there was never any extras because he shoots the script. The script is the script. There's no deleted scenes. it's the script and he finishes every movie ahead of schedule on the budget do you feel

48:00Sean Hayes:having him having him right next to camera and obviously you guys because you've worked so much together there is a comfort there do you feel that comfort of having him right there next to camera close to you there's no such thing as video village it's like when I stand next to you Will yeah you just comfort you can see comfort no we're talking about comfort

48:25Will Arnett:no we're talking

48:26Sean Hayes:about comfort but I mean so and so so then I'm gonna ask you so so you feel that and you must that's yeah it's it's evident in your work that you do with him and so I wonder if when you go and you do work with other directors do you ever feel that like sort of sense of not detachment but sometimes if it is further they are further away or they are at Video Village or you're not and you don't have that sort of that proximity that relationship that's so close, do you feel the difference sometimes?

48:54Cillian Murphy:And I don't mean this to disparage other directors, clearly. Sure, no, I understand. No, I think it's like what we were discussing earlier. You know, over time, I think it's our duty to be really, really flexible, isn't it? Because if you come on one set with us, and like, this is the only way I will work. Some directors love to rehearse, some directors don't love to rehearse. Some directors love to have everybody look at the monitor and chat and others, you know, don't do that. So you have to kind of bend to their approach, I find. And I love doing that. Like, you know, I don't particularly love rehearsal on film, but if there's a director that insists on it, I'll go for it, you know.

49:34Cillian Murphy:Because it's their vision and I'm just there to serve the vision. So I kind of like that, the adventure of it. And I'm sure you guys are all the same, you know. It's like, it's always like a new circus and every time you get a new job, it's like this new circus and what's it going to involve? And what are the, what, what, you know? So I like that. For sure. We'll be right back. Getting a good deal is kind of a big deal. So get this, Prime Day is coming June 23rd through the 26th with all the best deals you've been waiting for. Prime Day delivers more than great prices. It delivers that big deal feeling.

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52:32Will Arnett:How do you like affecting the health of that circus, the harmony of that environment, depending on your level of influence on that set. Like, you know, just even the Nolan films, for example, there are some where you're a part of an ensemble and then like Oppenheimer, you're the lead and you can affect the environment. Peaky Blinders, you know, again, sort of the captain and also in a producorial position as well. Do you enjoy that sort of leadership position, or do you like to disappear and just be sort of part of the team and be like a soldier?

53:17Cillian Murphy:I think it's a bit of both, really, isn't it? Because it's funny you say soldier, because the whole film set is based off the old military kind of setup, isn't it? Like with your director and your first AD and your second AD and your third AD, and you know, everyone's got number one in the college, you're number two in the college, you know. And it has to work like that. And everything comes from the top, I think. The atmosphere and the ambience and the vibe and the energy always percolates down from the leaders, like the producers and the director and the lead actors, down to how everyone... So I think it's always nice to...

53:55Cillian Murphy:I love to have a set where people are having a bit of fun and a bit of crack and cracking the Irish vernacular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, yeah. We were with you, we were with you. Okay, good.

54:08Sean Hayes:Oh, boy. Killian Murphy loves crack. We've got our, yep. Killian, how do you, speaking about healthy, how do you stay so fit? You're always like, you're, I know you're younger than us, but. I think it's crack, is it not? They just told us. Because you have kids too, right? You're constantly working. You're constantly on the go. But you're in like incredible shape. Will looks pretty good there. He does.

54:33Will Arnett:Oh, thanks, man. That's bronzer.

54:35Cillian Murphy:A lot of that's bronzer. Yeah, it is.

54:36Sean Hayes:I just sprayed it on.

54:38Cillian Murphy:No, I think all of you guys are very well maintained. I think it's kind of part of the job, isn't it? Unfortunately or fortunately, I don't know.

54:47Will Arnett:Well, there's another part of that Wikipedia. Incredible hints I got. There was, is it true that you, to avoid mad cow disease, you went vegetarian. then you started eating then you started eating meat to bulk up for Peaky Blinders and then you stopped eating meat and you're back to vegetarian for it didn't give me the reason for the return but do they have it right so far?

55:16Cillian Murphy:That's more or less accurate I met my wife when I was 20 and she's been a vegetarian all her life so I was kind of became a vegetarian then and then I did kind of so it was more out of convenience than of any real sort of, you know, opposition to it. But now I do do it because I don't really want to eat animals.

55:42Sean Hayes:And if you were to, you would make ends meet.

55:45Will Arnett:Thank you, Will. And that's our episode, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Wonderful book. We have made the two pieces of string connect at the bottom. um uh no but you know that whole that whole bulking up thing uh and i'm all over the place but um i saw this documentary once because i went vegetarian for a year to try to lower my cholesterol uh and it only dropped one point after 12 months of eating nothing but really i remember that sticks and berries yeah wasn't that long ago but i watched this documentary while i was doing it and and uh and they made a point that you don't need meat to bulk up because they made a point that gorillas are vegetarians, rhinoceros, giraffe.

56:28Will Arnett:These huge animals, all they eat are leaves.

56:32Cillian Murphy:You're absolutely right there. I do that. The update is that I am now, I've always been pescatarian and I don't eat any meat. So that's the Wikipedia update.

56:44Will Arnett:So fish, fish now?

56:46Cillian Murphy:We'll add that in there today. Thanks. You say you do do the fish. I do do the fish, yeah. And you're entirely right. It's very possible if you need to do that, to do it through plant protein, of course. I was just being an idiot back then.

57:01Will Arnett:I'm still an idiot. All right, talk to me about Peaky Blinders. How long had you been doing Peaky Blinders before? How long have you been living in the world of Peaky Blinders?

57:14Cillian Murphy:So we did the show on and off since we shot the first season in the end of 2012. So on and off. Wow, 14 years? So which I worked out was like a quarter of my life.

57:28Will Arnett:Wow. Yeah, yeah. And how have you, I'm sure you have enjoyed, because you could have left it earlier, but you have undoubtedly enjoyed the progression of Tommy and shaping his growth along with Stephen Knight, yes?

57:48Cillian Murphy:yes but I'm curious to know about you guys because people ask me this stuff and you know that old showbiz adage like you know don't quit a hit like if something is working and people you know a lot of journalists will say oh it must be you know hard going back playing the same it's amazing writing

58:06Will Arnett:well if it's incredibly high quality like what you guys have there and the film my god took it to even a higher level of production value and and and cinematic uh pleasures uh just unbelievably well directed and shot and scored and performed and lit i mean uh what what a what a film um but uh yes amen uh if you've got if you've got a gig in this business um stick with it these people that like quit their series job because they want to be open for all the feature opportunities that they feel might be just around the corner. It's like, no, ding dong. You got time for those two.

58:52Sean Hayes:I love that character of yours. The guy who talks like this, who does the thing I do. I want to be freed up for features. Yeah, exactly.

59:02Cillian Murphy:But also, I think the thing that those people forget is that the features people are all watching the show. Right. and thinking right right right of course right you know wouldn't they be great in my film you know yeah right right Killian do you spend a lot of time in the states or are you happy where you are I do come over for work yeah I've never lived other than you know for jobs like jobs so you love Ireland well I lived in London for a long time for like we lived here for 14 years oh you live in London now I'm sorry no I'm sorry we're back in Ireland now for about 10 years but we did live in London for 14.

59:40Cillian Murphy:Oh, got it. And then before that, we were kind of like, you know, wherever work would take me, I guess.

59:46Will Arnett:Why do you ask, Sean? Do you have an Airbnb? Well, no, it would be nice to have it.

59:50Sean Hayes:You got a rental that you want to just pay off the mortgage just to cover cost, right? And what can you offer them? Housekeeper comes twice a week? Yeah, all your rent. Did the occupants just take off on you? I just think first and last in a deposit, we're good. No, because, no, I don't know. I'm always curious because I love it where you are and I get the draw to both. I mean, America is obviously incredible.

1:00:15Cillian Murphy:Yeah, but we're kind of like itinerant. You just have to follow the work and that's the nature of it. Yeah, we're in the circus, as you say. Yeah, and you kind of... My friend once called it the circus of the unemployable. I thought that was a very good phrase. That is.

1:00:35Will Arnett:The thing I was going to ask you about doing multiple seasons, years of the same character is how much have you enjoyed having that character grow with you, because of you? Has Killian grown through what you've been experimenting with, with Tommy? I mean, I'm sure there's a yes to all of this. So I'm not positive what the question is, which is a habit of mine.

1:01:07Cillian Murphy:I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I think it's a good question. And honestly, I don't really have a really good answer though because we just finished it and it's just coming out. And I think I need a little bit of distance to reflect. I think my initial kind of response to it is that it was a massive gift to be able to tap that vein of writing and for it to stay that good and for it to, because it was this little show on BBC Two on a Sunday night that, you know, no one had any expectations for. It had no promotion or anything like that. And it was genuinely made by fans on the internet telling each other to watch it.

1:01:48Cillian Murphy:Yeah. It just grew and grew. One of those kind of beautiful kind of freaks that happen sometimes in our business where people just love it. And then the show gets confidence, you know.

1:02:00Will Arnett:Yeah, it's because, I mean, I would think, It was because it took such a distinct point of view. You weren't sort of pandering to a huge audience. You were sort of like, we're going to make the show that we really like. We're going to shoot it the way we want to shoot it. We're going to put this music in there that we really love. And hopefully enough people like it to just keep us on the air. But we're not looking to be some massive hit. And that type of specificity and commitment actually yielded a real fervent fan base.

1:02:32Sean Hayes:As opposed to sort of trying to retrofit, trying to go like, we want to make a show that hits all this audience and so how can we, and that's a recipe for disaster. I wonder, Killian, were there moments during various seasons of the show and certainly before the film, were there moments where you're like, this is it, this is the last one and then it happened again? Did you ever have those where you felt like, or was it always open-ended, like we're going to do more?

1:02:58Cillian Murphy:Well, they were never, we only got one series and then we were hoping we'd get recommissioned you know I think we did maybe four and five one after the other, I can't really recall but Steve always had it in his head so the series begins at the end of World War I and he always had it in his head that it would end at the opening or sort of the beginning of World War II and he's achieved that so that was such a Like there's lots and lots of films about the First World War and many, many, many films about the Second World War, but not so many films or TV shows that deal with Britain between the wars.

1:03:41Cillian Murphy:So that's where he said it. And in Birmingham, which is like the second city in the UK and has its very own specific and unique history. And so I think because, like you say, it didn't have these ambitions to be this huge uh show but yes it because it was so unique that people came to it i i don't know i just don't know why yeah well if we all knew it made a hit

1:04:09Will Arnett:everything would be a hit you are you are such a classy fella i'm sure you'd be very hesitant to take uh any credit um but i would guess that you can take some credit perhaps for for the incredibly beautifully bold uh move of the music the uh the the the music throughout the show is that is that is that something that i mean given your music background your music your current musical taste i mean it's just such a it's such an exciting sort of juxtaposition and uh you know that this modern fucking punk rock throughout something that is set in you know world war one uh yeah It's just great.

1:04:54Cillian Murphy:That was a bit of a, I guess, like a big swing at the time. And Otto Bathurst directed the first three series and he put that Nick Cave tune, that red right hand, right at the beginning. And it was incredibly anachronistic and it shouldn't have worked, but for some reason it did. And then we were kind of off. And then all these artists throughout it, like PJ Harvey and David Bowie, Radiohead. and everybody started wanting to have their music on the show and giving us original music. And it's been kind of remarkable. It was a privilege for a music nerd like me. Yeah. What a treat.

1:05:34Will Arnett:All right. Well, I'm assuming you've answered this question a million times, but putting Peaky Blinders to bed, I will ask you, I'm sure you're going to take a big part of him with you. do you are you going to miss him are you going to miss playing that character it's just been you've just done so much work in that skin I guess I suppose

1:06:01Cillian Murphy:I probably will I don't think about it what do you guys feel about those long running shows and those characters I'm curious to know just turn the page yeah but do you actually feel I mean are you extremely unsentimental or do you have a great affection for them

1:06:17Will Arnett:My personal either limits or strategy or style or whatever is to find that character inside of me. It's usually way over on one side or the other of what my goalposts are, the limits of who I am. So that person's always inside of me. So I'll always carry that character with me a bit. I feel like if it's outside my goalpost, then I get into acting. So I got to find, you know, there would be a version of him inside me somewhere. What about you two fellows? Yeah, I'm proud and excited that the fans love the character I played for so many years. But for me personally, yeah, like Jason just said, ready to move on after that.

1:07:06Sean Hayes:I'm not sentimental in that way.

1:07:09Will Arnett:Yeah, neither am I. Yeah. You're happy to say kind of goodbye, nice knowing you next. Yeah. I think so, yeah.

1:07:16Cillian Murphy:I'm very proud of it. Like you say, really proud that it had such an impact and that people invested so much. But yeah, you have to have a forward momentum.

1:07:27Will Arnett:It's more for me, usually it's the people I've worked with doing it that it's really tragic that we have to get used to saying goodbye to. That's an odd muscle that we all unfortunately have to strengthen is saying goodbye to these families that we're constantly creating on sets. That's the strange thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:07:48Sean Hayes:You know, when you run into someone, I was just thinking about you run into people that you worked with on something really intensely and you see them like at a restaurant or out on the street or at something else, you know, and I don't even just mean actors, like anybody who's part of the filmmaking process, a production designer or whomever, and you see them and you're like, and you go, hey, you've got this, you've got this like really intense part of your life where you had this real connection where you're both doing this creative endeavor. You're like, hey, but you've always got that. You know what I mean?

1:08:17Will Arnett:And your family has no idea who these people are. And you've spent more time with them in the last few years than you have your actual family. And they've never met them.

1:08:26Sean Hayes:And they bring you such joy in that moment when you see them. Yeah, yeah.

1:08:28Cillian Murphy:Yes, and then it's instant. There's no like getting to know you again. It's just you're straight back into it because you've been through the trenches. yeah strange

1:08:38Will Arnett:well we are two minutes over yeah parting shot Shani no I was just gonna say now when I run into you Killian we worked on this together we did so we have this moment and this experience together so when we run into each other Peaky Blinders The Immortal Man in select theaters already March 6th it was and on Netflix March 20th I highly recommend this thing and you can't fold laundry watching it either put the laundry down tuck in and enjoy every frame of this thing incredible work done by in front of and behind the cameras it's a stunning film

1:09:24Cillian Murphy:you're very kind, it's lovely to chat to you guys I had loads of questions to ask you guys get yourself a podcast

1:09:33Will Arnett:and invite us on they're handed them out

1:09:35Cillian Murphy:We haven't had a gossip. I know. We've had a gossip all day long. Well, you can gossip after I leave. Yeah. Such a pleasure to meet you. What a pleasure. I've been a big fan for a long, long time. Such a big fan.

1:09:47Sean Hayes:Yeah, same. Such a big fan. Likewise, guys.

1:09:49Cillian Murphy:You're the man, Killian. Lovely to chat to you all. We'll do it again sometime. Enjoy your evening.

1:09:55Will Arnett:Get your slippers on.

1:09:56Cillian Murphy:Thanks. See you guys. Yeah, it's nearly bedtime now. All right. Bye, buddy. Good night. Bye-bye. Bye.

1:10:04Will Arnett:Well, there he is. And you know, the most remarkable thing about his talent, that accent, completely fake. He is actually from... Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:10:13Sean Hayes:No kidding. Yeah, Canton, Ohio.

1:10:15Will Arnett:Why would he... Canton, Ohio. Yeah, his dad actually was one of the people that helped build the NFL Hall of Fame. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. Amazing. No, this is a character he hasn't dropped for years. Incredible. I mean, that's deep.

1:10:31Sean Hayes:That is amazing. Deep, deep. So, wow. What a fella.

1:10:34Cillian Murphy:You know what? he's so good Christopher Nolan and him like you kind of think of those two together and I was trying to think of who else there's a lot of them like Tim Burton and Johnny Depp

1:10:44Will Arnett:Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese now yeah and Tom Hanks and Spielberg did a bunch didn't they yeah yeah he's one of them here comes a joke right I thought that was leading to a bye

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