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SmartLess Podcast Episode Summary: "Depeche Mode"
Episode Overview In this episode of SmartLess, hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett welcome the iconic members of Depeche Mode, Dave Gahan and Martin Gore. The conversation flows organically and humorously, touching on a myriad of topics ranging from their music career, personal anecdotes, and the influence of Depeche Mode on popular culture.
Key Themes and Discussions
Introduction
- Hosts introduce the episode and express their excitement about having Depeche Mode as guests.
- Depeche Mode's Achievement: Over 100 million records sold worldwide, with numerous hits in the charts.
Humorous Anecdotes
- The conversation begins with light-hearted stories, including a memorable European vacation involving a giant pepper grinder.
- Jason humorously recalls the awkwardness surrounding his past interactions and dating life.
Depeche Mode's Musical Journey
- Formation of the Band: Dave and Martin discuss their early days, including their initial gigs and the unique sound they cultivated with synthesizers.
- Influence of Their Music: The band reflects on the impact of their songs, including how tracks like "Just Can't Get Enough" are used in modern media, from commercials to films.
Personal Connections
- Sean shares a personal story about being starstruck by Martin during a taping of *Will and Grace*, illustrating the deep admiration he has for the band.
- The guests express their appreciation for being part of the hosts' lives and their music's role in shaping those experiences.
The Creative Process
- Discussion about their songwriting approach, with Martin highlighting how he typically writes and collaborates with Dave.
- The conversation delves into the emotional and spiritual undertones in their lyrics, and how their music resonates with audiences on a deeper level.
Cultural Impact and Legacy
- The band reflects on their influence within the music industry and their dedicated fan base.
- They discuss the evolution of music consumption, touching on the nostalgia of vinyl records and the changing landscape of music distribution in the digital age.
Closing Remarks
- The hosts and guests share heartfelt sentiments about their mutual admiration and the importance of creative expression in their lives.
- Dave and Martin indicate upcoming tours, leaving fans excited for more live performances.
Key Takeaways
- Organic Humor: The banter between hosts and guests showcases an authentic and entertaining dynamic.
- Cultural Significance: Depeche Mode’s music has transcended generations, influencing countless artists and genres.
- Personal Stories: The episode highlights the personal impact of music, as evident in Sean’s emotional connection to Depeche Mode's work.
- Creative Insights: The discussion provides a glimpse into the creative processes behind their songs, revealing the depth and thoughtfulness in their artistry.
This episode of SmartLess not only celebrates the legacy of Depeche Mode but also encapsulates the joy of sharing stories and experiences through music and laughter.
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Transcript
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2:16We were in Istanbul, and the guy came over, you know, they come over and they go, like, would you like some pepper? I can't hear about the European vacations anymore with you guys. That was the second European trip we did. So anyway, so Sean and I are there and the guy comes up, you know, they come up and go... Who was your date, Will? Who was my date? Well, it doesn't matter. I could have been your date. We don't need to get into... Every time we mention somebody now on the podcast, that person's like, I got 30 phone calls. I know, they're like... So anyway, you know, the guy comes up and they go, you want some fresh pepper?
2:43And they go, yeah, let's get some fresh pepper. Give us a Turkish accent, Will. And this guy, no, and this guy... You think I would have to write a fucking... Your mystery guest is laughing. A notes apology that I got to post. His mic is hot, it's a mail. Я на моем авансоме, compart Vader, от희edia 작мами при помощи открыта армии. В сервере議ан speedом. Вмерику заступout меня squirrel. Подraidи. Он пытался 드�. Она пыталась сервера В nucle jam. Я не 용�, gens д И две группы вперед отдыхают. И две группы, оставившихся недель. Да, это были три группы. Я пиво. Божия вп脆 от образования машинка. Да. Натог gestyah от pineapple от подарка.
3:10Пеппер шагер was four feet long. And two guys came out to hold it. And two guys to hold it. That sounds like my big bong years back in my early 20s. Yeah. That used to be on my dating profile. Takes two guys to hold it. Listen, I have a...
3:30Your guest is still laughing. I know. That's a good sign. It's a good sign. Wait, but you guys, I texted you one of those comments. Did I text you both? The comment was like a week ago Somebody wrote about my show They said, didn't you get that Jay? The fat suit Yeah, another fucking fat suit Wait, what, whoa, whoa, whoa Somebody made a comment that Sean Hayes is wearing a fat suit No, somebody asked me On my Instagram or somewhere Twitter, I don't remember And it was, Sean, did they Is the outfit that they put you in Supposed to make you look bigger Which is, you know, code for fatter и я просто фанат и ты должен быть и ты должен быть не, это способ сделать мне look thinner why?
4:14By the way Sean it reminded me I was watching I was thinking about your dating profile it reminded me I was watching Alone that show right? and it reminded me of something that they say in that all the time which is also in your dating profile which is hey bear hey bear hey bear what's up bear? no, Will you know shameless plug here Я знаю, ты у cameras expensive Options Могу забить целая Ну, ну, не кот Я знаю, я8ци mauve Саша, укусит Шарик, ты как и вам У нас уже before Что это register О арmilять Куда, какой Truцией
4:57Я плачу Что ж 25 Мы не знаем С dossи У че Safe Бэк 3 bagel. И тогда, сегодня я did good. Я делаю йогурт с грибанутами и блюберриями. И а бананами. И немного кандидат. Год, there's... Wait, was the кандидат like a fun dip for the йогурт? Вы called that the equalizer, right? Just to cancel out everything else. Time for the equalizer. Half a payday. You want to talk about a payday, our guests... Сегу, сегу, сегу. Our guess. Let me just say this. They've sold more than 100 million records worldwide. Wait a minute. 54 songs in the UK singles chart. 17 top 10 albums in the UK chart. If I name a song, you're going to, I don't know, you're going to immediately guess.
5:51They're incredibly, incredibly talented guys who have been just such a huge part of the music scene for so long. Я совершил своё уровень проблемы. arrangement you should find soulmate.
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7:53Depeche Mode is like my life. What are you talking about? And then you were there with your wife and your wife's friends or something like that, and then you asked, let's go out to grab some fish and chips at the Standard Hotel on Sunset Boulevard. And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to go out for fish and chips. I've never had fish and chips. This is so exciting. So we go out for fish and chips, and I'm walking down the street with you, Which was so surreal to me And I did this bit for you Which is Waiting for the Night Off of Violator And I'll do it for you now Which is
8:24Wait for it It will cut out the lock bar Because this is what I used to do in college Here it comes This is it, this is coming up
8:38And I wrote my fucking Senior thesis paper on this song В колледже. Я swear to God. Here we go. Here we go, this is it. You're taking off the glasses.
8:51Uh-oh. Like that?
8:59Because it sounded like a bug. Right on my forehead. I've never thought of that as sounding like a bug. But now that you have given me that visual, when we perform that song every night, Я буду думать о вы. Time to reshoot the video. So Dave and Martin, how do you guys respond to Sean Hayes has just boiled your music down to sounding like a bug. Oh my God. This is unbelievable. Again, not to belabor it, but we talk about you guys all the time. Such massive fans of your music. And all the way through. And we've had the good fortune of having bands on this show who have played important parts of our lives.
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14:24Заполисляющая анро NSX бюджет. что вы получаете, что вы делаете? Вы делаете? Вы делаете? Мы были играть на всех песнях из того, как и в Винц-Clarkе и в Винц-Clarkе. Это действительно один из них, когда Винц left после того, как и в Винц -Ларке было выпущено. Он был выпущен на это. Он был выпущен на это. Но он был выпущен на это. Мы были выпущены together, it was a sort of three-part harmony thing, sort of Beach Boy meets Ramones type thing we were going for, I guess. The Speed of the Ramones and the Harmony of the Beach Boys, that was, I think, had Daniel Miller from Mute Records, who signed us.
15:09He didn't really sign us, though. It was just a sort of handshake. We never actually signed a contract. Really? Is that where the song, the handshake is a contract? Martin was probably just, that was a Martin wrote that song and he was probably just angry от всех. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. Музыка. So this guy from Ute Records, he sees you, what, in a pub or you're playing clubs? Yes. In a pub. We supported one of his other acts called Fad Gadget at a pub called The Bridge House. Fad Gadget. You've got to check out Fad Gadget. You guys are going to like Fad Gadget.
15:45Great music. Really? Yes. I'm actually going to write it down now that you say that. FAD, F-A-D-G-A-D-E-T. G-A-D-G-E-T. Yeah, you got it. Legitimately. Martin went to school, I did not. Oh. Well, then you're going to... I mean, Jason, anything? Nothing. Okay. So... Daniel saw us supporting FAD Gadget with our synth set up on... By that time, we'd gone to all synths. We started off with a bass and a guitar in the band, But we'd gone to all synths And we had them set up on our beer crates And Daniel was impressed Yeah, he was We played really fast And His story goes He was mixing a sound for Faggot This is a little pub in the east end of London Called The Bridge House In Canyon Town And you know, we had a residency there On like Thursday nights The guy, even though nobody would be there There'd be like two people and a dog most of the time.
16:46As Depeche Mode. Yeah, as Depeche Mode. And the guy that ran the pub, he took a shine to us and sort of let us play their Thirsty Nights. But anyway, so we got this support, which was a big thing because we loved Fad Gadget. And, you know... That's so rad. Jason loves Fad Gadget. Yeah, you've got to check out Fad Gadget. So you guys, so you go and you support these guys and then this dude from Mute Records is like, The guys who are supporting Fad Gadget are pretty good. We actually met him before. Vince and I had trailed around all the record companies and we had gone to Rough Trade Records in London thinking that we had made this masterful demo that they were going to sign us immediately because we actually had Melody and most of their other bands at that time did not.
17:31They were just noise. And we thought, they're going to sign us immediately. And the guy that ran the record company, Scott, he was not really interested, but he listened to our tape и когда он говорил С Beyляйтsz был Илья ,zna -ла -ла -ла -ла -ла -ала на говорилику под 2021 quarter, а какая -то директор м blast gата التапевтировали и кто? Он такой, он прячен свою том... Он пианjobий, но сто происходит на одно од Egол либо песнюю автану и тут好啦 assault он так, что б и мы такие, что фэй attitude и мы такие, что фэй attitude from you record he knows we walked out of there and this was i guess that so that the chance the next chance meeting when we were opening uh for fad gadget um daniel was mixing the sound and and he came back afterwards and uh started talking to me actually because he thought i'd written the songs because i was singing them and i said and he asked me some questions and then he's you write the songs i was like no that bloke over there does and that was vince and so he left me of course and Потом я помню с Дом?
19:09but when we got enough money to do that, we don't have to sign any contracts or anything. So that's like 1980, 81? That was 1980 and Daniel is still involved with us today. No kidding. First of all, that's incredible that you have that kind of long-lasting relationship. So it's 1980 and what were you... You guys write this record. What were you listening to At the time that you wrote that in 1980? Yeah, I was going to say the same thing What were you listening to And also were you Did you think back then you were following a trend Like where this The music business is going into synth pop And maybe we should do that Or was that truly a genuine love?
19:56It hadn't really started yet, had it? We were fans of Mute Records Yeah So, you know, the fact that Daniel was offering us A one-off single deal That was amazing to us. But who were the bands that were, at that time, that you were playing on your tape cassettes? Well, like Fad Gadget. I mean, Daniel also, for a while, had DAF, Deutsch-Americana-Schef-Reunch-Schaft. Check them out as well. Yeah. DAF. DAF. They sing in German. The Normal. Yeah, The Normal was Daniel himself. Warm Leatherette. You must know that track. You must know that song. Grace Jones made it famous, I guess. I don't know if I know.
20:31She covered it. I was just listening to this afternoon, Я слушала Трио. Помогите, да -да -да. Да, да -да -да, да -да. Я слушала Трио. Я слушала Трио. Я слушала Трио. Блажа, да -да -да. Блажа, да. Блажа, да -да -да. Блажа, да -да -да -да. Блажа, да -да -да -да -да. В fact, there was an album at the time called Some Bizarre Album. It was by this guy who put it together. His name was Steve-O. And he put together... Actually, our first recording that came out was on that record. It was a song called Photographic, which was on Speak & Spell, too. But we were part of that album. And on that album there was anyone from an early track from Soft Cell, from Blumange, from Us.
21:12Who was it, Mark? The The. The The. Oh, man. So it was a compilation called Some Bizarre Album. And so a lot of those acts after that got signed. Well, that was, you guys kind of were right at the forefront of that, to me, musically. The The, you know, listening to, especially that first, great band. That first, that first Is the Day. That الب time still starts at Anthem. It reminds me of getting my first cool hair cut when I was 12. просто But listening to that listens to you guys then Vince, of course, goes on to form in the UK known as Yazoo an American known as Yaz with Alison Moyet then he went off with Andy Bell and formed Razor as well But you guys were at the forefront of all of that И я всегда задумался, что эти банды не многие знают, но вы не были листы по -пункту.
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22:50и он Land still стал claro, но в таинственной силе яedeеня что -то пересекло, took from or were born out of a different era and then created your own genre in a way. I mean, not to put you on the spot, but because there weren't a lot of people who were making what you guys were doing. People just started doing, and I don't, like, Bronski Beat, you know, they were doing stuff, but they came after you guys, like two years after Speak and Spell. Yeah, it's almost like we had Bono on and we were talking about how, you know, when all these pop stars like Madonna, Michael Jackson, и все другие большие покrichи, عنった «Атес» и «Юрганс Джошуатрия» ведь это фирал, смотри, стía бы, она такая dazu!
23:31Тысыる Вы숨 в любви irgendwie и были поверхность los Primary-Wечья Profila и вот его мягко с ним! Этой групп!... У нас были saying « avail бы я давно были каждой группой, родом дазут меня» There was a wave of stuff that came, but we never quite fit. And I think that was a really good thing. And I think a lot of that was to do with Daniel Miller and his guidance in kind of allowing us to slowly develop into what it was we wanted to be. And by the time we got to Black Celebration, I think we had kind of found, a bit before that, but we had found our own way, right, Mark? Да, кстати, Teresa – It took us a while, Arie.
24:23И мы вместе вчера вернемся! И теперь, вернемся еще! Марта, я все а��고 Алексею‑ configure's, благо הזה vanished Язeterной группой. Feuer тогдаישа ovenongeю, он disse Cambию угаскиваешься? Раскоп that happened that you sort of stepped into that position well if you i don't even mean to put it i don't know how to no uh yeah i wrote a couple of songs on the first album and yeah because i was the only one who actually wrote songs when this left i kind of had to do it right it was just like we were like uh so and daniel literally was like does anybody else write songs because your writers left and we were like does that mean it's over and he sort of mine was like i got a Девушки отдыхают.
25:47looking around going, who the fuck's going to do this? What was the first, when you started writing, what was the first sort of like big hit that you wrote and everybody's like, ah, fuck yeah, Martin, well done, man. It was straight away, actually. First thing we recorded was See You and then you released that as a single and that was a massive hit. Wow. We actually went the highest, we'd gone in the charts and then we went to number six, it was a big thing and Martin had this new synthesizer called the PPG. и so we didn't use much equipment in the studio it was like a few pieces, Daniel had a couple of pieces of electronic stuff and so you kind of were very and there was no sampling then it wasn't like now you just kind of like it's almost too much but we picked we had these few pieces so this one synthesizer dominated the sort of sound I would say, right Mark?
26:41of that song in particular и это было очень хорошо, это было очень хорошо, это было как Эверли Brothers' song. И мы, вы знаете, мы были на ТВ и это было очень много. Я думаю, это было «Hermans, Hermans». «Миссис Брян, вы в горе, ты в горе, ты в горе, ты в горе». Я не знаю, «Беетлз», но я думал, что это было слишком много. Гибель, вы были young. Мои grandparents used to have a «Hermans, Hermans» record, и мы used to play it when we were kids. Зоу. Do you remember that Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter? Yeah. Yeah. Fucking hell. You've got to remember, I was only 10 when this was happening.
27:18Are you guys so shocked that your song, Just Can't Get Enough, is used everywhere, always, all the time? It could be anything. It's a tampon ad. It's like in the, it's in the cocaine bear. It's like, you know, come on. It is. It fits. It fits everywhere. Yeah, it does. I mean, of all your songs, I really do know probably every word to every song. And I'm like, That's the song everybody plays everywhere. You know, it's funny, when Vince wrote that song, I think there was that coisa that he was The Office and I seemed to remember him saying, he said something like this to the rest of us. We were sitting on the couch, all kind of squashed together and he looked at Vince and he said, he is going to be driving a Rolls Royce were you three are on the tandem.
28:07And we were like, you know, on the bicycle. And we were like, why? And we all signed this deal. I think he gave us£100 each to sign our publishing the way. He did. Really? So we were like, he's given us£100 for nothing. Signed it to some deal. We can buy a tandem for that. Yeah, we will buy that tandem. Да, но Vince, он говорится, но он деревеная голube, и он сказал, что с кон called to From Д伍. стало been Daft, и мы были Joey T fired up then, кто большла так.eta We were заместирована, потому что в предут supersdayens с . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I remember that. Do you remember the band Hot Chocolate?
29:02No. So you guys are two young. I believe in glucose. Oh, yeah. Hot Chocolate, they were called. That's the thing in that band? We were like, holy shit, there's Errol Brown from Hot Chocolate. So you have some hits in the UK, obviously. What was your first recognition in the U.S. that you knew that people were listening to the band in the U.S.? Ну, я думаю, что «Just Can't Get Enough» было бы получать, как, конечно, клуб play и так далее. Но я думаю, что первая радио была «People Are People». Да, это было очень. И это было еще, как, очень, очень, очень, очень, очень, очень. Это было... Мы не были вообще, как, очень, очень, очень, очень, очень, очень.
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30:52вокруг для нас еще camerств, другу. Мы used to think he was extremely old. Like, when we were on that tour and he was, you know, documenting the whole thing with us, he was like this old guy. We used to sort of, like, help him around the stage, you know. Like, be careful with that 35mm, you're going to fall over, dude. He was, like, maybe 50, I don't know. And we were like, he's so old. Like, this guy, who's this guy? And he was just amazed with what he was amazed with, not really the music or anything, it was the scale it was the fans the fandom it was the cult of this following that we had why are they obsessed with this band still to this day there is that same we carry that same it's like the church of Depeche Mode or something does that feel does that feel heavy sometimes или или что -то определенно, светит algo, котораяiltegás на wrench blue, но как они знает.
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33:12Это было бы так, что я был 15. Я лет them away, по -моему. Я лет them away. Мартин сделал это несколько раз. Вы showed them where he was, а потом вы были, что это слишком много. Я просто read this book по -моему, Bill Бюфорд, called Among the Thugs. Я не знаю, что вы уже читали. Да, это было. Это было бы так. Челси -кру, которые были called Крэзи Ганг. И это было бы, что люди были в соц. Это было бы так, что это было. Это было бы так. И это было бы так. ЭтоCU - recipients. Это между новой sevplainой героюby, вместе сếnякой. Даг若 - Una presents профильazy. Фестиваль -ни Darwinperson, оф riceкмилищ их control.
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34:09The whole aesthetic of the band, it is so sort of, I don't know what the right term would be, dramatic, cinematic. Yeah, but I mean, I don't remember that, anybody blazing a trail before you guys in that world. There's many, many sort of people that try to replicate that since then, for sure. But where did that come from? Was that deliberate or was it just kind of where you guys were at? Were you inspired by something? I think we were lucky when we wrote Black Celebration that we got involved with Anton Corbyn, who became kind of like the visual head for the band. Who's that? I'm an idiot. He's an incredible director.
34:51He's directed a lot of videos, yeah. He's a film director. He's a very tall Dutch man. He started out as a photographer. Okay. But, you know, he makes films now. For the NME. For the NME with New Musical Express in London. he got to be the front cover guy that would do the covers of that paper it would always be like this amazing photograph of Joy Division or Echo and the Bunnymen or Susie Sue from the Banshees there always were Anton's shots so the chances of us at that time working with Anton were pretty slim but the first time we worked with him I think it was 81 actually and we didn't work with him again till 85 mark 86, Black Celebration, yeah.
35:3781, we got the cover of the NME and Anton was shooting it. He had to shoot us. He had to shoot us. I don't think he really wanted to because he was very cool and we weren't. And, you know, I mean, we were trying to be cool, but... And did he style that shoot in such a way that you guys sort of borrowed from and adopted going forward? I think it sort of began there, Even though we weren't probably aware of it, but by the time we, like Martin said, by the time we got to Black Celebration, we had been working in Berlin, Hansa Studios, the very famous, iconic Hansa, where Bowie had recorded, and Iggy, and various other people that we looked up to and were influenced by.
36:28And I think that's where it really started for us. Мартин had moved to Berlin as well for a short period of time there as well. We started working there a lot. West Berlin. This was West Berlin as well when the wall was very much still up. And we used to work right... There was a studio called Hansa. It was right on the wall. So when you were on the balcony of the studio, you literally were looking over the wall and you'd see these soldiers, you know. Hence the Bowie's line in Heroes, but about, you know, the wall, I think. Heroes always reminds me of Christian F Remember that film in West Berlin It was on the soundtrack That's a great film I'm sorry for the dumb dumb question And you guys have probably answered this a billion times But I don't know Why the religious undertones So many of them It's spirituality They both just started sweating I've never been religious Я всегда искал.
37:29Я всегда искал. Я всегда искал. И я всегда, когда я всегда искал, когда я искал Мартин's words, это тоже как -то, это как -то, это как -то, когда ты играл в этом месте, как мы просто делали в Гарн, или что -то. И в этом гиге, that you do is this sort of experience, it is like a sort of I don't know, spiritual experience it's something that's there and it's also, I have a kind of disdain for it too it feels like you know a lot of bollocks as well at the same time I mean, you even sort of take it I mean, I've always loved blasphemous rumors because I just love that lyric I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors Базарист's Rumors, but I think that God's got a six sense of humor.
38:25And when I die, I expect to find him laughing. I've just, I've always been obsessed. People miss the comedy, see. They miss the comedy in what we do. They just sort of miss the humor from Martin and they miss the delivery from Dave. But, you know, it's all there. You just got to look a little deeper. The only reason I brought it up because I love the comment and the cleverness of the language that you choose. It's really cool. But then it also did fit into, Jason, kind of what you were asking about into the aesthetic. The formative sort of, yeah. Yeah, it became... And you get that, you get that.
39:03I think we like that. I think we're comfortable in that imagery. A bit of theater and... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what was it about the writing though, Dave, that always sort of kind of presented a block for you because obviously you're a very intelligent man, know how to speak, know how to write, I'm sure, и рассказывает, но когда работаетounge onion, и Маринов, яída лучшеiem, будет сто communication, а вообще едет на ст боли когда выб muse reverод и люб週 ингредицию с jedem изOOD, а таков опятьHold fest, обрис했어? Люди,
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41:54И я сентюрный демо от Мартин, как я, хам -фистовый, на гитаре, пытаясь узнать, и я сентюрнусь, и я сентюрнусь, и Мартин sends это в этом, с красивым, как «Craftwork-esque» и арпегией, и арпегией, и я сентюрнусь, и я сентюрнусь, и я сентюрнусь, мне, then, to another place, you see. Right. Because that changes the perception yet again. I'm sure it's the same with you guys when you're working in film and behind or in front of the camera. Yes, and. You feed off an audience in theatre, I'm sure, and then when you're just in a room together and you've got a bunch of crew standing around you, and you've got to create it for yourself.
42:37Otherwise, there's just this bunch of crew around you. Well, it is true that I can speak Because the three of us, I've worked with both these guys, and none of us really sort of come in prepared in the sense that we don't fully have it memorized a certain way. You can't. You have to kind of have a loose relationship with whatever you're doing because so much of it is informed by what the other person is bringing. You sort of leave room for the effect of the other. Yeah, yeah, like that's a... But by the way, Will, can I just really quick, И тогда мы собираем это сомневаться от этого, передвините, потому что я в этом люблю подattan -то第二 ридж Что -малиты?
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44:40Создѕвī, да? Да. Но, это было бы, но в таком году. Мы были счастливы, что мы сняли что -то, когда вы вообще не могли сделать это, когда вы делали гайд -вокал в студию. Потому что есть трек, который не был в этом, а это будет в конце года. И это называется «Лайф 2.0». И что, ты думаешь, это было бы, «До»? «Лайф 2.0»? «Лайф 2.0»? «Лайф 2.0»? «Лайф 2.0»? «Лайф 2.0»? Девушки отдыхают.
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48:42You guys are a big fan? Or is it a love-hate with what technology and digital and all that stuff has done as far as the way in which music is sold nowadays and what that's done to the touring business and whatnot? Because you guys obviously have the best of both worlds. I mean, you're still playing Madison Square Garden, and you're still selling albums. So how does all that sit with you, today's current makeup of the business? Sorry, and be honest. Да. Я имею в виду... Это как бы и плохой, да? Мы в Тимзе, я имею в виду, как фильмы, винар, вы знаете, что -то в этом, что -то в этом, что -то в этом, что -то в том, что -то, когда -то, в первые 45 -п, или что -то, что -то, что -то, что -то, что -то, что -то, и вы -вы, вы -вы, и вы посмотрите, вы посмотрите, и вы посмотрите на рынок, и вы посмотрите на песни, и вы посмотрите на это, и вы посмотрите на это.
49:44Конечно, мы в одном из них в ТВ show, где вы, на Thursday nights вы увидите музыку как Bowie, Гарри Глиттер, и Слэд, и Т -Рекс, и все 70s с Роцси -музик. that was a thing that was like where you get lost in it but I think the album I know Martin does as well we both still play albums and buy albums and stuff but you know and listen to music digitally too something has been lost of course in that the specialness of an album you know and how you listen to that how you play one side and then turn it over you gotta actually make the effort to do something I love that I remember that sitting in a room taking it out of the sleeve and putting it on the smell of it you'd have you'd have the dust the brush you'd let it go around and clean off the needle and drop the needle on it and sit there and maybe you would have lyrics, sometimes if a record came out you were waiting и это было лирик.
51:02Вы были, да, это лирик. Это было так. Я думаю, я боже, что -то... Я помню, я stole от меня, Фил Гурри. Я был рядом с его домом. Я был рядом с Фил Гурри, и я был рядом с флотом, и он был в Дубле Ливе, Давид Ливе, в Филадельфия Тауэр album. И я открылся, и я увидел это лирик, как это лирик, и я был просто сидел, и он был в туалет, или что -то, А когда он был, он был 빼баним, он шовет. И я шову его в бак restraину. Наб一 думай, оно desse. Продолжение круто,, transf Moi же, конечно. А с ним в школе этоkelt, я узнала matches ,indruckение. И был бы выиграливhearted, Филу неч senza лихри. Я настолько не с**та Councilu, это получилось.
51:51Этоmbолый хорошее это было, чтобы бы ничего sensильного프ания. Ты китайку собой туда я нашел Anthony на школе. А я потребовал себя из District Creator. reinforcing Кампир поджар � Bueno и такараrr đầuthe согласись Я rememberẫj я have had so many different record memories so many different record memories Я помню, когда первая Симплеминеза в Крайдинка и они делали в Клиаре. Я помню, что? Да, мы у нас есть в Ред Винале сейчас. Мементом Море. Да, Мементом Море. Это очень хорошо. Это в Клиаре. Да, в Клиаре. Это в Клиаре. И это в Клиаре, и в Клиаре. Это Виналя, 180 грамм. Это круто. Это очень круто.
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53:25Когда Антон Корбин says to me, so Dave, so Dave, I want you to get on hands on knees core graveyard on the floor. This graveyard's just set up in a studio, by the way, as well, of course. And it looks already very kind of like, as soon as we get there, we're like, this is, this looks like really, like somebody set this up. I want it to look kind of fake, Dave. And I was like, okay. So he's the only person that would get me to do something like that. At least he didn't put the dog collar on. I think we did about 20 takes of me crawling around. I'm surprised he didn't do that, actually. Snap the leash.
54:01Yes. The only way we got away with it is because I'm the one crawling around, of course. If we had some, you know, beautiful girl or guy to do that or something, we would be in big trouble now. Sure, sure. That's crazy. I have a question. How do you guys determine who sings what track? это это как -то obvious sometimes я я думаю это это просто obvious просто потому where the range is я я я mean soul with me on this album I knew I thought to myself Martin would just be able to sing that song much better than me we have a different tone a different way we sing but together it's just unbelievable I to get bent out of shape a bit I used to years ago союз finished, поэтому ему далее есть первое пакет и techno сходится хорошо но он как ещет, правда, же!
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56:02Was that fun, playing the Garden? It must have been fantastic. It always is. It's the Church of New York, let's face it. We've been lucky enough to play there a lot of times over the years. It's always one of those gigs
56:47Я знаю. Непо, baby? Ну, Стелла Розен, the Dead Language. The Dead Language is fucking great. They're pretty cool, too. They're like way cooler than us. But we were the headline in Acts, so you know. Because it's me, I have to ask, have you ever been approached or would you ever do, from the ground up, with new songs, a Broadway musical? We did get asked once somebody had this idea and they showed us a script but it was all about like a bunch of heroin addicts. Five, six, seven, eight. So, you know, we politely turned it down. Jason and I would like to and Sean's obviously going to run and going to direct and stuff and it's about a bunch of middle-aged white guy golfers.
57:40You got something there for sure. You definitely got something there. I just want to say before we let you guys go because this has been absolutely mind-blowingly incredible. Sean, and this is really Sean to you, what would you say, Sean, can you believe that the college is you? You guys, I can't even describe it. I have to tell you guys right now to your faces, this is the honest-to-God truth. I'm doing a show here in New York, a Broadway show, and every day that I walk to the theater, sometimes I get a ride, sometimes I walk, every time I walk, I listen to you guys. I literally, as I'm walking I'll go, hey Sari, play Depeche Mode I'm on my island and telling the Broadway song is about a heroin addict that's a true story though and I want to say this before you leave such a massive massive influence on me and my life in such a huge way, just incredible thank you for saying that the posters up in college and the concerts I've been to it's just everywhere Это неende.
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1:00:06Мы только скорбют Субтитет Кроме Мы только скорбют little run in the states, but we're coming back yeah, I think September, October November, December we're doing a much bigger North American tour, we're off to Europe I will definitely be there We're going to come and see you guys Oh please, yeah, you know, thanks for having us on your show, it's really Yeah, thank you This has been a dream come true Yeah, for sure All three of you in some way, shape or form also have been in my life So I can say that honestly. We apologize. And we don't always have to say that honestly as well. But, you know, but I mean that sincerely.
1:00:48Thank you. It's very nice of you guys to do this podcast for us. Cheers, guys. All the best. Thank you. We'll see you on the road. Cheers, guys. See you guys. Thanks, guys. Bye. Wow. My God. Well, are you guys all right? I mean, I was really honestly truly shaking. Like, I haven't done that since. Sean, are you sitting on plastic? Did you lay down some plastic? Scotty, just under frame, lay down some plastic for you? That's why Scotty came in in the middle. Not since the Michael Jackson concert in 1983, was I shaking? Oh, my God. I mean, they really, I really honestly swear to God, listen to them every day.
1:01:25No, I know. That's crazy. It's unbelievable. Why is that? Is that something that kind of gets you going for the show? I think a lot of, I don't want to bring this up, But I think a lot of like, they have a big gay following. And I think because it was, they were cool and underground and like left of center. And they weren't like machismo, hard, big hair rocking, you know, dudes. Yeah, there was something kind of interestingly glam about them. Kind of like Bowie was beforehand. Sean, I get that. I think I know what you're saying. It's not a gay straight thing or anything. it's just I had a lot of gay friends in college that we found this band and were like oh they're so cool I think I know what you mean there were some bands that sort of came certainly Erasure were a band that were big in gay culture back in the 80s right because I guess a lot of the Depeche Mode songs were turned into dance songs and they would play them in the clubs and so I think like Personal Jesus everyone knows Personal Jesus all those earlier songs they have a beat that you can dance to.
1:02:32And so they turned those into club mixes. And I think that's probably one of the reasons we're like, oh, what's this band? It was so cool. Plus they were like dark. Would it be funny if I got a personal assistant named Jesus? No. Why would that be funny? Because then I'd have a personal Jesus. Oh. Wow, I'm slow today. It's a long walk around the block, but boy, the address is nice. It's not right. But just blown away. Да, они очень огромное южное явление. Да, же. Я знаю, folтные таки действительно чувствуем и какские работы. И CSS такое как для этих действительно Czechs, вот этиcen patter Mosерна из я, в какие -то те, что они заложат, я просто захватан и изменил 뽑ание, Самое велосипедippе, möchten, мнındо, Probably мы ее foolем Да, все девайсеры, которые оказались в предап Speaking Аня.
1:03:29Я очень계uellisниками. Я себея quests. Я же не могу зафиксировать update мои дешевые глаза парнями исходящих. Я просто не оченьикарный. Вы знаете, ты mnie докупил чтобы不要 в нем оченьração, когда Джейсон продарил в храни и в р thуре, п obe całке какой -то нез Demon Spocnam. Все же ,jemни me Qu traces, да мне спекается что - не просто бесед на evapor terrific расскажу, но будет Repاد contстреподобные разворщики по сложным языкам. By the way, I got into it with a woman on Instagram About two months ago Sean, maybe I told you Because she was saying It's actually, you're thinking of Yazoo It's not Yaz And I said, no, in North America Yazoo was called Yaz for legal reasons And I had to school her Because I was like, don't fucking correct me What was Soft Cell's big hit?
1:04:16Tainted Love I listened to that too And I loved classic rock But I also loved so much I loved Bronsky Beat I fucking just loved it so much I loved all those bands promote that and of course Depeche Mode I don't know But, you know... When they first came on Here we go Boy You know what it is? You are a look in your eye Я не так, вот так буквально Я неnea Продолжение следует...
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