"Jason Momoa"

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SmartLess Podcast Episode: Jason Momoa

Episode Summary In this episode of the *SmartLess* podcast, hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett welcome Jason Momoa. The conversation is a mix of light-hearted banter and deeper discussions about Momoa's life, career, and his new project, *Chief of War*. Momoa shares personal anecdotes about his upbringing, his career trajectory, and the creative process behind his latest show, which is significant for him both personally and culturally.

Key Takeaways

Momoa's Impressions and Grooming Rituals

  • Personal Grooming: Momoa discusses his grooming routine and how it has evolved over time, including products he uses to manage his hair.
  • Shower Routines: The hosts compare their shower times, revealing humorous insights into their habits and preferences.

Creative Journey

  • Director Debut: Momoa has directed and co-created *Chief of War*, a project he has been working on for ten years, highlighting the challenges and personal investment involved.
  • Cultural Representation: The show, set in 1790s Hawaii, aims to depict Hawaiian history and culture authentically, using the native language, Alelo.
  • Historical Context: Momoa elaborates on the story's premise, which revolves around the unification of the Hawaiian Islands and the impact of colonization.

Personal Experiences

  • Near-Death Experience: He recounts a harrowing story of almost drowning while surfing at Jaws, reflecting on the moments that led him to reassess his life and choices.
  • Family Dynamics: Momoa shares insights into his upbringing, the impact of his parents’ divorce, and his desire to provide better for his children.
  • Son's Acting Journey: He discusses his son, Wolf, who recently got a role in *Dune*, highlighting the pride and emotional weight of his son's accomplishments.

Insights into Fame and Life

  • Navigating Fame: Momoa reflects on the challenges of being a public figure, especially balancing family time and the expectations of fans.
  • Career Evolution: He expresses his desire to transition more into directing and producing, while still enjoying acting.

Lighthearted Moments

  • The conversation includes humorous anecdotes, playful banter among the hosts, and discussions about daily life, showcasing the camaraderie of the participants.

Interesting Quotes

  • "I was raised with a single mother that worked four jobs in Iowa." - Momoa reflecting on his upbringing.
  • "I'm playing my ancestors." - On the significance of his role in *Chief of War*.

Conclusion This episode of *SmartLess* demonstrates the warmth and authenticity of Jason Momoa while providing insights into his life as a father, actor, and director. The combination of humor, personal stories, and serious discussions about cultural representation makes for an engaging listen that highlights the multifaceted nature of Momoa's career and life.

Episode Details

  • Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
  • Guest: Jason Momoa
  • Release Date: August 1, 2023

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0:05I'm Jason Momoa and Smartless is popping my cherry.

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0:29Jason you look why do you look so clean cut today yeah you look really good because I washed I'm fresh from the shower I'm glad we were a little delayed today because I was running a little behind and it occurred to me as I was racing through my rituals there of pre, during, and post shower, that my loop has gotten quicker. I'm, you know, the sort of, how long does it take you guys from start to finish? Like, oh shit, I got to get out the door. I got to shower, I got to get dressed, got to get out the door. Are you like a 10 minute, five minute, 15, or a half hour? I'm a five. Yeah, it takes me a long, long time.

1:07Does it? Yeah. Yeah, because what we're enjoying right now doesn't just happen. What you're enjoying right now? Yeah, it takes some work? No, because my hair, it gets super, super, super poofy and big and it takes forever to just do it so I can walk out the door. And then, so how do you get it down? How do you de-poof? I have to. Is there a product? Ideally, I have to let it air dry it because if I blow dry it, it's massive. It gets bigger. Yeah, and then it's really humid over the UK. Yeah, it's super humid and I put water in it with the product and then I spray it. It takes a long time. Oh, my God.

1:40We should post on the website just your ritual just for people who are looking to, you know. And Willie, you're just a five-minute... I'm a five and go. Truly just five minutes. I think so. Get your clothes off, get wet, get dry, get dressed. Yeah, I'm a quick shower person. I'm a really quick shower person. Always have been. I obviously had those moments where you have a longer shower, but I'm a really quick, I'm kind of in and out. Well, let's stop there for a second. What are those moments where you're taking a longer shower? Is that when you're putting your hands on yourself? No.

2:15No. No. No. I'm not. My shower is not my Jack Shack. It's not? No, that's a separate. I told you, that's a separate building out back. Are we seeing you? Are we seeing you in your Jack Shack right now? You might be. You might be. It's a whisper booth slash Jack Shack? No, it's shower time is, long showers is usually like winter time and you're kind of chilled to the bone. Well, what about you, Jay? How fast can you do it? I'm a 15-minute all-in. I can be in the car. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. That's from getting undressed, showered, redressed, down the stairs, out the door. Maybe I'm 15 as well. I bet you're 15.

2:55I might be. Because I do a lot of other stuff, you know, grab my everything, do a little quick moisturize. Yeah, that's another thing. My products have increased as I've gotten older. I've got creams and ointments and fucking... Oh, so you do have creamed. All kinds of shit. This is you creamed. Oh, I'm fully hydrated right now. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Check me out. Okay. Okay. I mean, if you could smell me too, I've got... You do have like a... You've got a little bit of a cute boy haircut right now. Yeah. Hey, thanks, man. Yeah. Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, it does. It's kind of a little... Don't start acting boyish.

3:28Well, no, no, no. But after the podcast, if you've got some extra time, maybe... Jesus. Hey, Will, who's your fucking guest today? You seem pretty chipper about this guest. I am. I bet it's somebody that's not super. I like our guest. I like our guest a lot. Your guest is not intimidating. He's already making a lot of noise. Yeah. Jason, you better mind your P's and Q's. Really? With our guest. Yeah. Why? Because he'll reach through the screen and he'll grab you. Is this a hockey player that could tune me up? No, he's not. But he probably, if he grew up in Canada, he would have been. But he didn't.

4:00He grew up in Hawaii. Oh, is that right? Yeah. And, you know, he's done a lot of stuff that we love. Barack Obama. He's done a lot of, he's done a lot of, it's not a terrible guest. Did I get it? Guest. No, you didn't get it. But he's done a ton of movies. This guy's been in like so many freaking huge movies. I'm going to say like, I'm going to try to do it so you can just bury it a little bit. You know, things like, I'm not going to say the obvious ones. Lego Part 2 movie he was in. Minecraft movie. You know him from Fall Guy. Jack Black. You know him from Fast X, from the Fast series. But you also know him from the Aquaman movies.

4:36and Zack Snyder's Justice League. And he has a new show. This is Jason Momoa. Let's just bring him out. Apple TV, Chief of War is Jason Momoa. Jason Momoa. Got it. Look. Wow. You can't swing these guys back at me. I can guess it. What's up? Look at this guy. Jason, what is your, what's your, babe, we got to go. Come on. Get dressed. What's your, I got to get undressed, shower and redress. What's your out the door? Do you do what Jason does? You cream on your face? Yeah, he creams on his face. What's me in and out of the door? How quick I got to go? How quick if you're dirty and you need to shower and get dressed to go out?

5:18Yeah, 10, 15 minutes. Easy. That's it. It's quick. What about when the hair was super long? Arpits, nuts, ass, and then fucking out the door. But the hair, what about when the hair was super long? That's a beast. My hair is super long. It's just, yeah. Up in a pony? Yeah, it's just in the back, yeah. I'm not cutting my hair again. No. Never again. Never? I don't want to. Does it take like two hours to drive? Is it about that? To drive my hair? Yeah, it must, right? No. You just take it outside. Yeah. It's pretty quick. When you get out and you just let it air dry, you probably look like an 80s rock, like heavy metal guy, right?

5:51Just pool everywhere. I mean, real men drive dry. Let's be true. I don't know how many times. But don't you have to like, don't you got to condition that shit and you got to watch out for your spin ends and all that? You have to put stuff in your hair. I don't put shit in it, man. You don't. You walk around with a bunch of hair. hair ties on your wrist? I do, I do. You do, right? I do, I do do the hair ties, but I just... JB, you spend a lot of time worried about your split ends? Is this something that keeps you... You know, when my hair was long for a second there, I was like, oh shit, this is a nightmare.

6:23It's not fun. Oh, it's easy. Momoa, do you really do, do you do all the stuff that Jason does too with the creams and the things and the products He's younger than us. He doesn't need to yet. No, no, of course I put cream on my face. My face, yeah, it feels dry, yeah. Because I mean, I feel like there's a lot of chlorine in the water. I'm in London right now. So am I. Cool it, Sean. So, Sean. Wait, what part of town? Careful, Jason. I'm at the Rosewood right now. I was supposed to be in New York, but then the flight got canceled. Oh, Will, here comes Will. You know, I live in the Rosewood, too.

6:58Get him. Get him, Will. Everyone's getting along. Come on, first question, Arnett. Let's go. Listen, hey, F you, man. You just completely, you know, hijacked him. Wait, is that cold brew up there? Or is that a lager? This is Guinness. This is Guinness. It's Guinness. That's Guinness, yeah, because it's what? It's like 6 p.m. over there. Go get it. Yeah, it's 6 p.m. Are you getting after it tonight? What's going on tonight? No, I'm going to spend the time with my lady. She's in here doing a movie. So my intention was to be, I was supposed to do Fallon tonight. So I'm in Budapest right now. Yeah, I'm in Budapest shooting Dune.

7:38So I flew in and then we got stuck in a storm and then I couldn't get in. And so I was supposed to do Fallon. But I mean, I can do you guys. Now you got stuck doing us. No, you guys are popping my chair, you guys. You're the first podcast I've ever done. No way! You're the first podcast I've ever done. I've never agreed to do these because I'm going to get myself in trouble. So please don't get me in trouble. Listen, you know this, Jason. The first time that we met was like at some adventure or something. But you're one of those dudes where the first time we met, I felt like I knew you. We freaked the fuck out is what we did.

8:14Yeah, we freaked out. Yeah, you were outside smoking. I was like, yeah. Yes. And you grabbed me and wrapped me. I was like, oh, shit. Same thing with Bateman, though. It was the same thing. It was with my ex. It was the same thing, man. Yeah, you are a good dude. You know me forever, so. So wait, so you had to cancel on Fallon because of weather. I wonder who Fallon calls. Everyone's got like that call. Like I think, I forget who Kimmel said his call is when a guest drops out last minute. You've got somebody you can get on the blower to get, hey, can you drive down and do the show tonight? Because, you know, they're live.

8:45I wonder who he calls. Yeah, well, I mean, it was a pre-tape, so I mean. All right. I've been, I've had, I've done it a few times. Yeah, you've been a call friend? I've last minute it for Kimmel before, and I've last minute it for Conan back in the day when he was in New York. That is true. They'd call him, they'd be like, so-and-so, like their flight got canceled or they were sick or whatever and you come and make a jackass out of yourself. No, you are one of the great all-time talk show guests. Jay, Mama, do you like the talk shows? I do. I love, yeah. I mean, listen, I think this is probably way better to do because it's way more personal and you get time.

9:21Well, this is just a conversation bullshit thing. You don't have to get up. You don't have to dress up and you just show up. Yeah, you got to have bits on those talk shows. Yeah, it just depends on what you're supporting. Like right now I'm doing like my dream project. Like it's my Braveheart or my Dance with Wolves. What is it? I've worked my, no, no, no, Chief of War. So the Chief of War I have coming out is 1790s Hawaii. So I created it. Oh, no way. I wrote it. No way. I directed it. Come on. He did all of this. August 1st on Apple TV. Yeah, so. You directed all the episodes? No, no, no. I directed the finale.

9:53I mean, I couldn't. I mean, I couldn't do all of it. But I mean, I created the show. I co-created it and wrote it with my partner. But it's been like my 10-year project that I did with Apple, and it's all like just right after the white man came. So it's like it's 1790s Hawaii. Wow. And it's all in Alelu, Hawaii, so it's all in the language, which is, you know, very – it's a pretty big deal. Whole thing subtitled? It's a subtitle. But it does – it slowly gets into English. Yeah. But it's my character, actually. Like he leaves Hawaii and he goes out to the world and he comes back with all the weapons.

10:29but he basically gets to see the world and just see what's coming, and then he unites. It's about the unification of the Hawaiian Islands. Sean, that's your approach when you're in the UK, right? Just slowly get into English? That's right, yeah. So, Jason, talk a little bit. How did it start? What was the genesis of this whole idea of doing this project? I mean, it's just never happened before, you know? These images, my great-great-great-grandfather has never even seen anything like this. So we've only had these in paintings or in museums. So nothing has ever existed like this. Yeah, I know nothing about.

11:05Yeah, so it's just like wanting to make something about King Kamehameha and just like our people and all the different things that were happening. But I needed something that would encompass a lot of things that were going on. It's like telling Abraham Lincoln's story. And you're like, that's why Spielberg did Gettysburg. You know, it's just the little moments of his life. but it's like how do I encompass this whole area of Hawaii? And this character like helped me do that. How was – what was the – was the settlement, the settling of Hawaii like when the white man came over, was it like a war?

11:44Was it contentious? Was it smooth? I mean I think when Cook first came, they were kind of blown away. And what happened is I think, you know, he left. They kind of snuck onto the ship and maybe took a couple things, and then they executed one of them, I think. Yeah. And that pissed everybody off. And so they left, and when they got stuck in a storm, they came back, and that's when all hell broke loose. And so that's when Cook died on the big island. Wait, is Cook again? Yeah, so when Captain Cook died in Hawaii. Oh. So, but this is after Cook. So, but it's just a really beautiful story. It's very much like an Arthurian kind of, you know, the Guinevere, Sir Lancelot, King Arthur story between you have this love story.

12:32At the same time, you have us, a character that leaves Hawaii, he goes to China, he goes to the Philippines, he goes to Alaska, and he comes back. And that's what he brings back, all the weapons. And he sees the outside world, and he sees what's coming. Yeah. And you're going to see what's happening in Hawaii at the time. So it's a very huge, huge show. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, dude. It's so cool. That's really great. As a guy who's coming out on my birthday, guys. Is that right? August 1st. Oh, wait. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Wait, so going to do that and being Hawaiian and coming home and doing this story that obviously means a lot to you, was it, I imagine there must have been a bunch of moments you had where it was like almost spiritual or you just felt like the fact that you got to do this and tell this story must have been pretty rad?

13:21I mean, I don't think there's anything bigger that I'll do because, I mean, it's not like I'm playing a superhero or something like that. I'm playing my ancestors. I'm actually like, you know. Was there pressure in that? Did you feel like? Oh, my God, yeah. I mean, like I'm putting on outfits that you're not even allowed to. I mean, they're just in museums. So the things that we're wearing, I wouldn't even be allowed to wear. You know what I mean? So it's – even extras were wearing it. So it was a huge thing. And at the same time, it's like, you know, the movies we had were from like Aotearoa.

13:53They're from New Zealand. Like Once Were Warriors or like Whale Rider. Like there's all these Polynesian stories. But there hasn't been something from Hawaii. So it really kind of united Polynesia because there's not really – everyone comes to Hawaii. They make movies there. But they don't make Hawaiian movies. They don't make movies about us. Movies about us. And so, you know, we're a part of America. No one really knows our story. And so I feel like this thing is something that's never happened before. And at the same time, we didn't really have the resources. And so it's really united Polynesia because we got Tongan, Samoan, Fijian, Tahitian, Maori, all these different cultures helping us tell this story.

14:32So it's been really wonderful. How old were you when you – how long did you grow up before you left? My parents got divorced when I was six months old. So it was pretty shitty. I left at a very young age, but I was raised in Iowa, which is really, most people wouldn't think it was great. I think it was really great. I grew up in the Midwest, which is, if you grew up in the Midwest, you kind of know that it's a pretty spectacular place. You grew up with, like. Yeah, I agree. I mean, my work ethic, family values, like, it's just, it's a very strong place. Having said that, I grew up where Bridges of Madison County was made.

15:04So I grew up, like, literally, like, not a race. so I'd go from literally a small country town to going to like kind of the reservation of the Hawaiian side. Basically where I'm from is all local side and it's not really being accepted there or being accepted there so it was a bit of a, it was a bit of like trying to figure that out but I would spend my summers with my father and then I would go to school with my mother. So you were born in Hawaii, then went to Iowa, then went back to Hawaii? Yeah. So when I was in college, I went out to Colorado, and that's where I was going. And then I kind of, my family, I come from one of the biggest surf families in Hawaii.

15:46My great uncle's like Buffalo, Kio 'lana. I come from a long list of amazing watermen. So I kind of went over there to like really sink in with my family, get to know my father better. And I was 19, and then a TV show came, and I ended up, I was just folding T-shirts at the family surf shop. and then I ended up getting a lead role on this really horrible show that just fucking killed me. Right, right. But I found acting. You found acting, but you... You know what I'm talking about, Bateman. Yeah, yeah. Right. So you were working in a surf shop. All the fucking holes we got to dig ourselves in.

16:19That's right. Were you... What were you doing? So in Hawaii, so you're working at the family surf shop. Were you surfing? How did you... Did you get on a board? Yeah, yeah, so I was toning in big waves. Like this movie came out called In God's Hands and my cousin, Brian Kielana, He was the one who was towing in with Laird and all this stuff. And so I was like, what am I doing? I can go surf these big waves in my family. So I took the summer off and I went over there. And then the moment I was supposed to go back to school, I got the lead role. So I was just like. Wait, wait, wait. On the surfing part, have you been towed into waves?

16:50Like do you surf those? Yeah, yeah. Come on. I towed into like a 20-foot wave with Adam McCool. Unbelievable. This is a real man, you guys. I know. I know. Come on. Let's tighten it up today. I mean, I should drown in Laird City. You got once towed to the service stage, to the BMW stage, didn't you? They towed you. Yeah, well, actually, it was only on a flatbed. My car, because of the front fairing, you couldn't tow it, so you got to put it up on a flatbed. But I did ride up front with the guy. Yeah. No way. Up front with the guy. Up front with the guy. Wait, wait. Momoa, tell me. Wait, you almost drowned for real?

17:25Yeah. I was doing this paddle. We went in at Jaws. Oh, my God. Jaws is the real deal. Shut up, Jaws. And we did like a 14. It was maybe like a 13-mile paddle. I was with Dave Kalama, my friend Joe Flanagan, and Laird Hamilton. We paddled like 13 miles down the coast. And you're kind of almost a mile offshore. And then my leash snapped. Oh, God. And we were about seven miles into it. And my leash snapped. And it's so windy on Maui. And so the board just went. I couldn't even see it anymore Sean you were going to say your leash snapped one suit but it was cool because you didn't have to pay the guy right because it's like you snap it that hard on me it's going to break I told you I know and you know what I did that one don't yank on it so hard it'll fucking break and then we ended up getting married 20 years later hey listen Jason and we will be right back

18:24and now back to the show Wait, so tell me, when you're in that position of almost drowning, what is your brain like? Yeah, it's so scary. So you know it's happening. Do you have a protocol of what to do in that moment? Are you even thinking clearly enough to know how to save yourself? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was trained pretty well, so it was fine. So I was just, I took quite a few on the head. They're pretty big. They're like 10 foot Hawaiian waves. But you're, I'm literally probably a half mile at that point offshore. shore and it was just i was it's actually this place is called shit fucks and it's literally because there's all this water that pulls out and dollar drinks on thursdays and it just it just it's just it pulls you out and you just get hit with these waves so i was stuck in this crazy spot which is probably the outer reef and unknown to me though i was really on the outer reef and um they couldn't see me and i had my paddle and i was waving it and they couldn't see me and uh The waist was so big, it basically took my shorts off.

19:26It was so fucking big. Hang on. I reached out and put my shorts back on. Shorts off at shit fucks. I'm pretty sure that's in the village. I looked in. Shorts were off at shit fucks. I looked in and I was just like, my daughter at that time was three months old. And I just lost her. I was like, oh, shit. Oh, God. I couldn't. And who ended up saving you? Well, what ended up happening, I was out there for a while. And then I just couldn't see anyone coming to get me, and I couldn't move anymore. And my arms and my legs gave up after, you know, I was out there for a while. But Laird had to go in and then go all the way around me and paddle up behind me.

20:08So, like, it's a coastal paddle, so it goes with the trade winds. So you're going down the coast. And then he came from behind, and I had already given up. My body stopped. Like, I couldn't move my arms anymore. and I bubbled down and then my toe hit the outer reef. Like I literally gave up and I'm screaming inside and my foot just hits the outer reef. And I don't know if it was a fucking whale or like just could be one rock, but I just reach down, grab it. I jump up, I get hit by another wave and I dig my feet into the coral and I'm literally in the middle of the ocean. And I'm just, I could barely put my lips above.

20:49just to breathe and get a break, but I had already given up. So it's like you've already given up and died and have a second chance at it. And then I still stayed out there for like 10 minutes. I was hanging on the side of this reef. And then I hear Laird come from behind, and he's on my board, towing his board. And I get on, and he's like, you're right. And I'm like, no. And I get back on the board, and we start paddling. He's like, you got to go out, out. And so we just keep paddling out, and I just keep trying to go over every wave. I lose the board. He loses the board. It's just the shit fucking is brutal getting out of this spot.

21:25And so we end up getting out really far, like pretty much on the shelf of Maui, and I have seven more miles to paddle. My feet are covered in blood, and I'm just literally like my ancestors just paddling the rest of this way, head down, and we get out. And I mean, I could have been trolling. There could be sharks everywhere, but I'm just like trolling this whole fucking coast. blood all this blood you're dropping too and we get in and that's i used to smoke and i used to smoke like two three packs a day i had a pouch i couldn't stop for my kids couldn't stop for my my ex i couldn't i couldn't stop smoking and uh the moment i came out i never smoked again like i just died just died like i tried and tried but like i couldn't do it again because i just i gave up like i gave up my life do you remember the moment you felt that you were saved that you that he actually that you actually got through it do you remember that moment i remember seeing him but i was like uh but you know i was 10 minutes dead already you know that would have been 10 minutes had there not been the outer reef like had there not been some you know and i do believe my answers i do believe my you know i prayed to my grandmother my grandpa i mean i was i was i was reaching and i was in a bad position and uh you're stuck out there in that kind of ways no board you're fucked and there's no way to swim in it's just not i don't have that you're you're so it was it was a bad spot to be in but i imagine that that gives you like a it's a pretty sharp contrast and gives you some perspective to like you said you quit smoking and that going forward from that moment you're like all right i've been through some shit and everything else is kind of gravy did you have a little bit of that you know i did a little harder run i think you know i have qualities that are, I don't know.

23:09I was pretty hard on myself that night. I didn't love stupid shit, and I just really was like pissed at myself for the position I was in and probably tortured myself even more for the stupid shit that I did. So I don't know. It was a bit of a hard learning curve, but I feel like I've always had that, where it's just like my learning curves are pretty hard on me. You know, I was thinking about that the other day, about how I find myself in a completely different life than I was having in my 20s. I mean, as everyone does, you go through these stages. And how are you finding your life now as a fully functioning professional that's able to write and direct and produce and star and take all these sort of adult meetings and all this kind of shit that it doesn't sound like you were doing at all in your earlier sexual life, like me too, just being a dickhead.

24:15I think if you have, yeah, I think there's a potential that you have that needs to come out. And I just, until I met the people that actually, until I met my partners, until I met the people that actually made me get those things out, I was just bashing myself with addiction and drugs. and like it's a level of like things that you're just burning. Yeah, you go through that stage, you got to get it out. Yeah, there's so much fire. Because now's not a good time to do it. So it sounds like we were doing that stuff at a time when you were supposed to, but you do that really well such that you can now do this really well.

24:49And are you enjoying that? And do you have that kind of clarity and perspective? Like that was a version of Jason Momoa and now this is a version of Jason. And they're both me, and I'm just going through it. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, they're great. They're great. All the things that we did when we were younger, I'm glad I, you know, it wasn't handed out. It was a very hard road to get where I'm at. So having said, I've been directing for the last almost 12 years now. I like that process. I love producing. I love not being just an actor. I love being able to, if someone's going to judge me on something, like I took this choice, I made all these choices instead of just being an actor.

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25:30It's nice just to go to the trailer and be an actor, but I also love, I mean, this is the way my brain works. I want to have a hundred things going on. Yeah. And I just love working. I love, I just love being responsible for those things. Well, you also appreciate it because of all the things, Jason, like you were just saying. And I think I'm finding, I'm going through it right now at this age. I'm 55. Sorry, I was waiting for you guys to go, no way. Oh, yeah, sorry. It really sounds late. There's a delay. And, you know, I've just recently, truly, the last, I don't know, almost couple weeks, I finally had this moment where I was like, I feel this kind of shift happening and this sort of cloud lifting and this thing happening in my life where I feel like I'm okay.

26:16I'm cool with who I am today. and it took me going through a lot of different shit and it's different from any other period of my life. It's really rad and really profound. It's one of the gifts of getting older, right? Right. Yeah. You start to care a little less about what other people perceive you as and the artifice and the efforts you make to sort of convince those that you might be X, Y, or Z and it's like, no, I'm just A, B, or C. You know, like this is just me and if you see it, great. If you don't, that's okay too. Most important is that number one understands who number one is and that I'm okay with that.

26:55There's only one of me, and I hope you guys dig it. If you don't, there's other people to talk to. A little bit. Yeah, totally. I think there's truth in that. Wait, so, Momoa, you were talking about you did this shitty show, but I guess that was your first acting gig, right, the thing you were talking about that you did in Hawaii? Yeah, well, you know what's kind of cool about it? I mean, listen, I fell in love with acting. because I was a biology major. I was a science major, and that's what I wanted to do. And so I, you know, Baywatch Hawaii came, and whatever. I was 19 years old. You got to make$100 being extra, and I was folding T-shirts for 60, and you got to meet a bunch of hot chicks, and I was 19 years old.

27:34I'm like, okay, I'm going to go on. Perfect. Yeah, of course. So there was like 1 ,300 people showed up down there, and we went in, and I ended up getting the lead role. I was supposed to go back to college, and my mom's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I want Baywatch Hawaii. And she's like, what? And so, I mean, like, you know, I didn't know a thing about it. But I fell in love with acting. I basically watched tons of movies. And every movie I'd watch, I'd just play that character the next day. You know, if I watched Fifth Element, I was Gary Oldman that day. If I watched Fight Club, I was fucking Tyler Durden in that episode.

28:05And so, I mean, I literally just, it was practice and doing all that. And I just didn't give a shit. But I fell in love with it. And having said that, every grip and like from catering to grip, makeup, everyone, they're on my show, you know, I'm 47, 46 on August 1st. And they're all did Chief of War with me. And I'm coming home telling our people's movie. And, you know, I've dug myself out of massive, massive holes. Like, you know, I learned my, I went through college doing, you know, Stargate Atlantis and hiding in Canada and making a sci-fi show. And, but I learned how to do everything. And I was like, listen, I'm going to shoot this myself.

28:46So I started at that point, I could write, direct, do all this stuff on my own. Cause I was like 22 episodes, nine months of my life. Yeah. You know, it's just like banging out stuff. And you're like, no, that was my college. And then I had an accident and took some time off, but I, you know, got married, had some kids and then Game of Thrones came out. and then no one knew what the fuck to do with that guy. Right. You're kind of stuck in that jail of like until you get to the fourth season of it. And I was like, while we did Game of Thrones, I did, I wrote, you know, co-wrote my first movie and I did Road to Paloma.

29:16And I was just like, fuck this. I made Pride of Gypsies, which is a bunch of actors, a group of friends, and we just made movies together. And, you know, some of us were, we'd all hold the boom. We'd all do this. We'd all shoot. And so we all came from that thing where it's just, we did the work. We edited it. We shot it. and that's how we kind of built the, you know, I'm not going to wait for anything. So we just kind of went about it that way, because I was like, no one's going to give me this shit. You got to go. You got to go get it. So we wrote all our own stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. You know, I remember seeing you in Game of Thrones, and I was like, just the character and the size of you, I was just like, my God, this guy's such an incredibly, you know, fit human being.

30:00And the size of you, I was like, and then, because your entrance you're like oh my god who's this guy and then you start acting you're like oh wow he's like a brilliant actor like and you have presence he has such you have such presence apart from your physical but you just have presence as a person yeah that's really magnetic and i wonder right sean like like yeah i was just so surprised that like that i know what you mean by what what do we do with this guy but i was like well he's a great actor that's what you do with him. You just, you plug him into any role. Was Game of Thrones, was that the first, was that a turning point?

30:37It must have been a turning point. Yeah, that was a turning point we got to respect. But it didn't, like, because he didn't say much and even though I played like a really good character, played it and did my job well. But it was, I mean, it's a thing where it's like, I'm a huge SNL fan. Like, I love comedy. I just want to do comedy. That was the guy that grew up with SNL. It's all I wanted to do. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, Twice? No one fucking knows me that way, so I didn't know. They just use me as action or I don't say much. So it's a very weird thing to kind of live in that action and you're this and that.

31:11Because my mom and my dad are both painters, right? My mom, you know, I was raised watching Rear Window and Gone with the Wind and Street Car Named Desire. I was raised with a single mother that worked four jobs in Iowa. So it's like I didn't grow up, even though I grew up into this body, I'm a total art nerd. and I grew up in a different way. You're just kind of like, this isn't really me. This is more me. Right, it's difficult. It's like you're this huge presence. You're in this big, beautiful God frame. You're a very good-looking man too. And inside of that is somebody who not only wants to do comedy but can also do very subtle, nuanced, dramatic acting as well.

31:53That's what I mean. How do you like, you know, you obviously have to account for how you come across. And so they can only put you in those types of characters. And those characters aren't historically super funny or super sensitive. You know, so it's like. I just, I mean, until you get to know me. And like, I think we've had a little bit of time with each other. Some of us. But it's like, I just, you know, it's my first time doing a comedy. Doing Minecraft finally with Jack Black. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, finally. Or just getting into SNL. like that's that's all that matters to me it's like just all i want to do you killed it on snl so funny yeah now you've got the juice where i'm sure you can go to your team and say hey so i'd like to do parts like x y or z can you go out there and see or create by the way i mean like you're busy doing your job they can do theirs trying to bring you options in those areas because you've got the juice to where like a part is written not for a guy with your physical type but you've got enough juice now where they can actually change what that actor might be, what that character might look like without changing any of the dialogue, you know?

33:02Yeah. Yeah, you should tell. Yes, he agrees with you.

33:09But yes, they can search that. But I wonder, do you have like, because you mentioned Rhodes Blum and the movie that you wrote and directed, which, what was, by the way, when you first started directing, and this is a Jason question, Did you love that shift to directing? I love it. I mean, I don't want to actually be in front. I'd rather be behind the camera. Like, I love every... You're like JB. JB's the same. Yeah, I mean, like, that's where it's at. I mean, there's top and bottom jokes there. You say you don't want to be in front. You want to be in the... But I don't have it fully written right now.

33:40No, that's right. But you can just come back to me on that. Check your text. Check your text. Checking the text. I mean, you love being behind the camera, right? Oh, God. Yeah, I'd stay back there and never... never act again although i do like acting and i also acting in something that i'm directing i really i really love just because as you said i love being overwhelmed with the amount of work and responsibility as opposed to just hiding in the trailer you know like i i'm a glutton for that stuff so but you drop it in like i'm smoking aces and shit like that that's just hilarious like you gotta like that stuff is like yeah you know when you have little roles that come in like i want to support this and come in and do something yeah yeah of course i love if i can add and get the budget up, whatever they need to do.

34:22But I'd rather not have all the, I don't need to be the lead of this. I'd rather make my movies. Exactly. I like them small. I don't want to direct like a massive, this is probably the biggest it'll ever be. Like when I directed Chief of War, I directed four or five units. The finale is on the lava field. Dude, here's a crazy story. So you might have asked this earlier, Will, like a crazy story about Chief of War. when we first wrote it the whole finale is about these uh two cousins fighting over the big island and the volcano goes off in history and it's literally snowing ash and the volcano is coming down and the volcano it's it's kind of like let's just say it's 50 000 versus 10 000 and the volcano comes down and wipes out the persons who lives in that territory and that's how kamehameha won in history.

35:15Wow. So when we wrote this, I literally saw on the calendar in the production meeting, I go, boom, Volcano's going to go off. And everyone's laughing at me, like, no, no, no, it's not going to go off. We cut to, we're there the night before, we're driving between Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea, and I tell my partner, I'm like, bro, it's going to go off, I know it. And about four hours later, production calls, Mauna Loa goes off, which is probably 10 plus years since it went off. Wow. Mauna Loa goes off, we obviously break because we don't no one's worked during a volcano so we're checking you know air air quality and all those kind of things and they're like yeah we're good to go so the next day we go Kilauea goes off that's the first time in human written history that both volcanoes went off I go and I shoot eight days I wanted to shoot the fight so it was like we're in the daytime and it goes into night and i want to see the night i want to shift into blue light i want to i want to go through the sunset i want to go into blue light so i just shoot the whole fight in reverse so we show up at four o 'clock in the morning you're ushering in 300 extras 100 something and you're massive fucking battle dude yeah on lava fields so any anyone falls gets hurts where do you put the port-a-potties how do you hide this i mean just all the schematics of like how do you shoot this massive epic piece in the area where it happened yeah so we shoot it there um i got about four to five units i'm directing at the same time where i built it where i can shoot simultaneously so they can be used as extras in the background as i'm shooting this one as i'm shooting that so i kind of designed the whole fucking thing where i can and the ad is just like what what what i'm sitting in the production meeting and i have it all balanced out and uh yeah dude the fucking volcanoes this thing went off on the eighth day we end and the volcano stops the day we end both volcanoes end that's so were you getting the the sort of the production value of those volcanoes going off we sent the people up to go shoot some stuff yeah but did you have coming down well we had no no we didn't have ash coming down in our scene otherwise we wouldn't been working because i was pretty pretty bad for our health but yeah we had ash and all that stuff coming down so it's a huge massive scene where we shot it in reverse so we can shoot all our key characters in the same light but it's all yeah it's completely in reverse wow it was meant to be it's a massive feat so the the finale is like that's my that was like i'm shooting the finale and everyone's like there's no way we'll pull this off i'm like i can't wait to see this yeah i've seen some of the posters around town it looks awesome and it's all in our language it's all in Alelo, Hawaii.

37:53So you're like, you're going to be like, it's such a beautiful language. It's the most beautiful language. It's so rad. I mean, you're going to love it. Yeah, I can't wait to see it. We'll be right back.

38:06And back to the show. You were talking about shooting that, that's pretty rad, that scene on the lava field and shooting that. And you've done a lot of kind of big, epic scenes like that. You've acted in a lot of them. was it like Aquaman? Like, didn't you have like underwater fight scenes basically? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, how'd you pull all that? What was that process like? Lots of stuntmen. I don't want to do that. Lots of stuntmen. It's brutal, man. It's brutal. It's, that stuff's hard. I mean, fighting in a suit, putting that suit on. I mean, I would, the best superhero in the world is Lego Batman.

38:44Come on. Come on. Black. Dude, my son. You're the best, Batman in the world. The greatest, Will. You're the fucking best in the world. You are Batman. Thanks. Tell me more. Black. That's a good impression. And sometimes very, very dark gray. Listen, that's very kind of you, but I mean, you're Aquaman, dude, and you had to put all that shit on. do you like having to do that stuff? Like put all the fucking suit on? No, I don't. No. But you do it. Yeah. The tattoos, it's all hard, bro. Sorry. It's all hard, but then you go and do stuff. But in the same time, you do like Dune, like going to working with Denis.

39:36I mean, it must be. Denis is amazing. I love those movies so much. I love those movies. Did you guys hear what happened right now? No. Check this story out. so I'm in Japan with my son's dream is to go to Japan so his 16th birthday we go we're with the whole family and I'm with him and I'm like gosh he's trained martial arts his whole life he always wants to act I'm like you're never acting there's no way I'm not letting you act he does like school plays in Topanga right that's it that's the extension of like his acting skills yeah yeah you know but I'm just like I don't want my kid child acting I don't want you in this business blah blah blah you know obviously the mother's been through it like no you're not you're not you're not doing it so yeah it's just like no sure um but he grew up with his dad being this thing he just loves it but he loves martial arts so cut to i'm like he's 16 i really want it's time for my son to be with me and travel um and maybe he can do school abroad so i asked the mother and we're like yeah well if he can come with me i would like him to come to dune because if he wants really wants to learn acting i'm like we're gonna be with chalamet we're gonna be at denny we're gonna be with zendaya he should be watching his father like day in day out i want his work ethic to be like mine of the midwest i want him to see how hard it is getting up at this time doing this like it's it's it's it's hard you know i mean it's not digging ditches but it's fucking hard yeah and when you have to do something over and over if you're doing a fight scene all day long like no you go 10 rounds 12 rounds but like this is all day and you're in a suit that weighs 40 pounds and you're like it's brutal yeah and so i want him to like understand the business so he's begging me to learn all this stuff so all right fine well let's send uncle kale kale did my i did minecraft with it at doing with he's a producer i'm sure you guys know him and so kale yeah kill boiter and it's just like he's dear friend i was like listen we'll send him a stunt you know so we taped something for for wolf we sent it in and kale's like what the fuck dude your son does he because he's been doing it his whole life and he's like wow he does this i'm like yeah, he's pretty good at it.

41:41Do you think we can give him a Fremen role and he can do some fight scenes and let him be on set? And he goes, dude, we're casting for the kids, for Chalamet and Zendaya. Basically, I guess it's like Skywalker and Leia. It's Children of Dune, so it's the two kids. And I was like, all right, well, does he act? I'm like, eh, you know, it's community theater. and uh anyways they send they send it i'm in new zealand the mother's with him he does the scene you know we and i we don't want i don't want to coach him at all i don't know how to teach acting i don't have a fucking style it's just through sucking you know it's through sucking that i sucking a little less each year yeah that's my style like i've had 27 years of fucking sucking that I figured it out.

42:34So I'm like, I don't really have a style. That's funny. So I'm not going to, I don't know how to teach it. So my dear friend, Cliff Curtis, who I looked up to, and he was in the show with me. I was like, can you talk to my son a little bit about acting? And so he talks to him a little bit. Wolf does the scene. We tape it. We send it in. And they fucking love it. And I'm like, holy shit. He's like, we want him to come to London and test. Oh, my God. I'm like, dude, what? And I had to fly from New Zealand to London, and my son goes into a room with Denis Villeneuve, and he has to test with five girls, and it's three and a half hours long.

43:15I'm so fucking stressed out. Yeah. Way more stressed than you would be for yourself. I mean, bro, like I'm fine. No, I'm freaking out because my son is just wild. He's so wild and amazing. but he just I guess he was beautiful like you know Mary Perrin was texting me he's like he's killing he's doing great but he had to do like a really hard scene that even if I had to do that scene there's no way I could pull that off and to do that for the first time and this kid killed it and he did it on his own I didn't help him at all how about that and I'm doing fucking Dune with my son right now that's amazing I didn't know that I didn't know that we just got the part premiere bro the premiere of Chief of War we flew to Hawaii We did the premiere, I think, on the 18th.

44:03We got on a plane that night. We landed on the 19th. My daughter's 18th was the 20th. We flew out the 21st. We landed in Budapest on the 22nd. He went to work on the 23rd. Jeez. Wow. His first goddamn scene. No way. I'm sitting there shooting my pants. Yeah. Going like he's with Zendaya. I'm like, he's in it. And I'm like, my baby. Yeah. He's 16 years old. And he just killed it. I was crying. I was a fucking wreck. I was so proud of him and did he ever did he go dad you were right did he say you were right this is really fucking hard he's so hard he's so hard he's like pop on a chair I have so much respect for you now and he understands every person that works with me now is going like yeah I need help I need help these are the people that help me you don't have any scenes with him do you?

44:47I don't this but in the future but I'm like I'm just there and I'm watching him and you know Denny who I fucking love and dearly and he's just like he's just he loves Wolf and he's just doing a great job. And so I'm like, it's the craziest feeling. How incredible. And I'm like, God damn it, dude. I just didn't want him to do it. But I'm not going to lie to you. He's so good. I'm not surprised. Look at his parents. I'm not surprised either. And I also think like you want your kids to just be better than you. And I'm like, this motherfucker is going to be like, he's going to blow me away. He's so goddamn present.

45:20Two things I want to say. One is you've paved the way because you're a great dude. and it's no surprise to me that he's great because you're great and it's no surprise to me that you deserve it in this time. Think about the year you've had that you're doing. You've got Chief of War, this thing that is really personal to you and about your family and now you have your immediate family and your son coming and working with you. What an incredible feeling you must have in your heart this year about where you're at. Just in that, just think about that. It's pretty rad, man. I start August 1st and this comes out.

45:52So I start June on August 1st. I went and watched my son on the day. Yeah, dude. Well, you put in a lot of hard work. I'll tell you something that my son said to me recently, my son Abel. A friend of ours whom we all know had something happen in their life, and it was public, and it was sort of shocking. So my son Abel comes to me, and he says, Hey, I heard about that thing. Is so-and-so okay? And I said, Yeah, yeah, they're fine. It all worked out fine. And he goes, you know, I was just thinking, man, thank God we're not as famous as them. Yeah, nice work, Dad. And I go, first of all, you're not famous at all, A.

46:32And B, fuck you, man. That's great. Isn't that hilarious, man? And he meant it, too. He was just like, ah, thank God we're not as famous. Thank God we're not so famous. Yeah, how about that, Jason? Because you can't really hide. Can you, how was it? I can't hide it all. Yeah, and so how are you with that, with fan interaction and taking photos and things like that? I really, I'm really good when it's like set for that time. Yeah. It's like really, here's the hard thing. It's like when I'm, I mean, we're all human. So I'm like, I'm down. But if I'm with my kids, don't even, it's just people don't have really respect or they don't really think.

47:12It just makes the kids so uncomfortable. But if I'm with my kids, I'm like, don't. yeah but i'm like if i'm like you're never gonna get i can't take my attention away from these beautiful things that i'm barely gonna see yeah i'm like yeah yeah it's a very challenging uh thing to navigate but at the same time you don't want to say no time to do it or if i'm not if i'm by myself i'm like yeah hell yeah but the cool thing is is like i love it when it's kids because it's like minecraft like right now they're like they go it went from aquaman and then it went into like i'm garbage man now i know you guys probably haven't seen minecraft but minecraft i'm like the garbage man now and so it's fucking cute as shit so all these little kids are like garbage man i'm like yeah what's up so i'll take you to the kids but when it's a grown-ass man yeah i'm like just just buy me a beer yeah right yeah and try not to be weird about it i would imagine uh i would imagine the sequel to that is probably brewing right when do you when do you guys start oh dude we're right into it yeah it's like i mean i'm into this motherfucker in march maybe look at you johnny franchise i love it tell me about it man i got fucking fast fast and barking down the door hopefully chief goes again really i moved everything to new zealand too i'm like new zealand and hawaii i'm building studios down there with cliff and taika so we're trying to we're trying to no way yeah so i just want to be boom boom boom that's great have you ever been in new zealand i've never when i was a little kid i'd love to go back are you is that where home is home is now montana in the states and uh new zealand so and i in hawaii still i have it but it's like i'm basically trying to build studios between hawaii and new zealand that's amazing amazing shoot everything there it's just you get to a certain place where i'm like i have the quality of life where do i want to be who do i want to be with you know i don't want to like it is still tax incentives and i'm like this is where i want to be and so like everyone can come down here we made minecraft in new zealand we made chief of war down there i made wrecking crew which is coming out like i just made everything new zealand or it's going to go to hawaii that's great what's your favorite thing to do with your i was going to ask you what you work so much it sounds like like what do you do in your downtown but like obviously to spend time with family what's your favorite thing to do with your kids or with family when you're not working i mean we rock climb so it's like i tell my kids i have a rock climb their whole life so we rock climb and like that just keeps us in the outdoors and uh rock climbing surfing or this is a real man jason riding you should be ashamed of yourself i really am you know i used to rock climb when i was a little kid but now my it hurts my hands too much as i get older yeah it's just the rock there's nothing soft about a rock it's just scratchy it's scratchy it's like i like my hands to be strong and tough i know i see you got a band-aid on the one finger and I'm like, I'd have to cancel the podcast if I had a band-aid on my finger.

49:59You push right through it, don't you? And then music, man. I started playing with my kids. My daughter was a singer, so I started playing music and they kind of moved me into bass because they both started doing everything else and I just love playing music with them. Is it like a family band? Well, it's not a family band. I started doing, I have a vodka company. It's called Halif Relief. It's called Maylee. Melee. Relief. That's actually a good name for a month. I'm trying to look at the hat. I'm trying to see. It looks like... No. Melee. Melee. Melee. Melee, yeah. So we have a vodka company in Montana.

50:38And so it's been nice to have these gatherings where you get together with everyone. And we play music and we play our favorite songs. So we play Zeppelin and Sabbath and Chili Peppers and Prince and Zombie. All great for the bass. All those groups. John Paul Jones. Incredible. You've got a vodka company. You're building a studio between New Zealand and Hawaii. You're directing movies. You're writing series and acting in series and acting in like eight franchises. And you seem so like chill about it all. And you seem really happy. Yeah. And like, yeah. I mean, what pisses you off? Like you seem like, sure, whatever.

51:15Are we late? That's cool. I'm pretty pissed I got to lose a bunch of weight that I got to get ready for this role. You know what I mean? Like, you know, that's about it. All right. But that's everyone's thing. I got to do a little extra. I got to take care of myself. How do you, what's your favorite? How's it going with you guys? Like, listen, I'm 46. You guys are, you know, you said you're 55. We got 10 years on you. Yeah, you got 10 years on me. I'm like. What's your favorite way of dropping pounds? You know, I. Not eating or exercise? So I don't exercise and I don't, and I eat whatever I want.

51:46And I eat whatever I want. So, and I drink. Like, basically, when I stop drinking and I eat smart and I exercise, I lose weight. Okay, gotcha. Oh, yeah, your body must go in a shot. Generally, I just keep it like I don't do it until I have to. Yeah. But my problem is, like, with all the things that you're taking off, like, oh, you do this, do this. The thing that I don't do is I don't take care of myself. Well, you will. You will. You still got time. Yeah. Yeah, so you got time. You got to go like, oh, this is a point where you can take care of yourself. Start to feather it. One kidney stone, you'll change your life.

52:18Oh. I haven't had one yet. Okay, well, thanks, granddad. Listen, I think, but how many people are listening right now going, fucking, my mom doesn't even work out, and he looks like, I'm going to fucking throw myself off a cliff. There must have been a time when you were a gym rat and you put on all that size on that plane. No, it's only when, I was like, you know, I grew up skateboarding, and I was a skateboarder and rock climber, so when I did Conan, they made me train and learn all that stuff. I mean, you do it for roles. Sure. And that's what's great about acting. They teach all these new things.

52:53And so, you know, you learn that. And then obviously for Aquaman, I had to train. And, you know, you're with all these best trainers. But I don't want to live like that. And I don't find, like, I, so what I did is I would build rock climbing gyms in our training facilities. Because I don't want to do sit-ups and I don't want to, I would just rock climb. One of the greatest joys in the world is food. Yeah, but I would just rock climb to do moves. And then relax. to kind of like the things that you love to do. Yeah, and you think you're in shape until you try a pull-up, and that's what a lot of rock climbing makes, right?

53:24It's just like. Yeah, I just want to have fun doing things I like to do. So, I mean, I say physical, doing things I love to do. I just think I probably get hurt more lifting weights. If I do lift weights, it's very light now, or I do like kettlebells, which has really helped just for my legs. But I do pretty light weight. You can avoid injury by just lifting chopsticks like Sean, you know. Into sodium. I'm just thinking, we got two guys who both don't work out and eat whatever they want. And one is Jason Momoa and one's Sean Hayes. So, you know. I'd love to see just a Speedo shot side by side with the two of you.

54:03It'd be so good. Although, JB, you were talking about you were lifting really light weights recently and you were saying how hard it was. That lasted three days. Did it really? It did, yeah. I'll get back at it, though. I've had a burger every day for the last three days. Really? You're great. Yeah. Do you work out? No, not really. I mean, I do cardio, but I don't lift weight, and I should. I mean, like, when you're directing, it's so hard. The hard thing for me is, like, I'm such a – I come from such an artist mentality where it's, like, it's really hard to balance the physicality when I'm, like, I'm giving everything to these things that you're doing.

54:38You're up too early, too, to work out. Yeah, and the thing is, like, I don't sleep much anyways, which is fine. It's just I don't – if I burn out doing this for just – I just don't take care of myself. Keep doing whatever you're doing. Whatever you're doing, just keep it up. Yeah, whatever you're doing. You're killing it. Just don't worry about it. My favorite thing one time, M.O., you and I were in Vegas. We were at like CinemaCon or something. Remember we were on a shuttle bus and we were going back to the airport. And you had like a rucksack, like a roughly hewn rucksack, and it was just filled with loose beers.

55:10It was the – That's hilarious. it was the greatest I'm like he's got a bag with him and I was like oh it's a cooler so smart I know so jealous alright what are you going to do the rest of the day today Jason you got the evening I'm going to go have dinner with my lady alright yeah I'm going to go just have a nice romantic dinner with my lady who's your lady I should know should we Andrea Arjona Andrea Arjona Arjona yeah she's doing a movie yeah she's she's uh she's doing a movie Thomas Crown Affair right now. Oh, wow. So we're going to go have a nice dinner, and then I go back to Budapest to go back to...

55:47Yeah. Unbelievable. I can't wait. The kids are in Budapest, so we're going to be together, and Wolfie's working, and my daughter Lola's there, so her friends are coming over, and we're just celebrating, because I get them in the summer, so we're going to go do fun stuff, have my birthday here in a couple days, so big party. Yeah, do you have plans for your birthday? I think I was going to stay at the house, maybe get a DJ and just like eat. You're going to stay at the house with a DJ? A DJ at the house and just eat. I don't know, just have someone play. Get Scotty. Scotty, I snuggle. Scotty can spin it.

56:18My husband DJs sometimes. Sure he does. Send him over. He's in London. He'll do the game. Listen, we'll make a deal here. Momoa, you're going to have to wait till, what, 50 for the big one, right? I mean, I feel like that's, when you get to our age, you got to wait for like 50, 60, 70, 80 for the big ones. You can't do it every year, right? Yeah. No, I just think being, I'm like, I'm with some really cool friends that I haven't seen in a long time. How long is it? You haven't seen us for a long time. Can we get an invite? I would love for you guys to come. We like to party. But it's Budapest, so it's pretty far.

56:48We got mileage. It's pretty far. You're always invited. Listen, dude, continued success. One of the all-time great dudes, and you deserve all of it, honestly. I'm so happy for you, and you look so great, and you seem so happy, and just continued. I'm so psyched that you and your son get to do this. Just all of it is great. You're a ray of sunshine, dude. I'm a huge Dune fan. I can't wait for the Dune. Yeah, go get it. I can't wait for you guys to see this. Chief of War, Apple TV on August 1st as well. I mean, just all of it. All of it's so rad. Congratulations, buddy. Keep it up. Keep going. Thanks for having me.

57:20All right, guys. All right, man. Nice to meet you. Good to see you. See you, pal. Bye, pal. All right. Nice going. Big hug soon. Good to see you. Bye, pal. He slammed it. He's a slammer. I love it. Yeah. Nice going. Well, you know, I thought it might have been Barack Obama. I was pleasantly surprised it was Jason Momoa. Those are the two Hawaiians that you know. That's it. That and King Kamehameha, but he's gone. Yeah, that was great. I never met him. This was great. He's such a warm, the warmest guy. Really fun. Yeah, just so cool down to earth. Yeah. So, so good. I love that his pants came down at Shitfuck.

57:55Is that what it's called? Yeah. Shitfuck's? At Shitfuck's, he got taken from behind with his shorts down. Wow. It was kind of, it was just the net result of all that. That's when I perked up. We might want to revisit the transcript on that, J.B. I don't know. You know what I mean? And also, you want to fall on the wrong side of Momoa? I mean, you know. But I truly thought Shitfucks was in Chelsea. Is it not? I thought, but wait, you know what's great about him is like, I had no idea he was that prolific in this business. Like, I had no idea. He's a busy man. Yeah. Yeah, he's just doing it all.

58:35Big, huge star. Yeah, it turns out. Just a guy trying to mind his own business. And then you're like complaining about tech rehearsals. You know what I mean? Hey, yeah, when do you go up, Shawnee? It's got to be close. In two days, three days. Oh, my God. I can't wait to see you. I don't normally have my, wearing my hair like this. Well, we're not talking about the hair right now. You look great. We're talking about the show. I know, but I'm at like... We're just talking about three days. Yeah, yeah. JB, you're not going over, right, JB? We're going to go over and see him. Yeah, no, I saw it. It's good.

59:01Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.

59:05I saw it in New York. Okay. And plus, I was just there in London staying with him. Okay, walking the fucking stairs. I liked it the first time. I preferred it in the States. I'm a fan of the original. Yeah, no, I'm excited. He got so beleaguered. Yeah, go ahead. No, I was just going to do a buy. Oh. No, we know. We saw you look out the window. I was thinking I didn't know he was from Hawaii but you know aloha not only means hello in Hawaiian sure what else does it mean something like bye oh my god aloha aloha smart nice

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