"Jennifer Lopez"

15 Jun 2026 · 1 h 5 min · 27 chapters

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In short

Jennifer Lopez’s career and personal evolution, including how she handles fame, work pressure, panic attacks, and what she wants next.

Guest backgrounds

Jennifer Lopez is a Puerto Rican performer from the Bronx who became a major entertainer across acting, music, and dance. She grew up watching Rita Moreno and West Side Story, left college to pursue dance, slept in a Manhattan dance studio, and later became the first Latina actress paid $1 million for a movie role (Rita Moreno is referenced as a model). The hosts are Smartless regulars (Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett), joking and discussing their own routines and health.

Key claims

J-Lo credits her drive and discipline to early arts exposure and an “athlete” mindset (track, gymnastics, softball). She describes two fame-related panic experiences: one after Selena made her recognizable (panic attacks from losing anonymity) and another from overworking 98 days straight while filming Enough, leading to exhaustion and paralysis-like symptoms. She says her recent years have been about healing and intentional choices for her next chapter.

Notable examples

“Selena” fame recognition; filming “Enough” and being hospitalized; her “J-Lo” album naming from Heavy D (“Jenny Lo”); early acting transition via “Mi Familia” and later “Out of Sight.”

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Chapters

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Getting to Know Jason's Health

0:41 to 1:01

The hosts discuss Jason's recent vocal issues and health concerns.

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Getting to Know Jason's Health

2:50 to 4:52

The hosts discuss Jason's recent vocal issues and health concerns.

“I think it was a cold or it might have been allergies.”

Memories and Plans with Friends

4:52 to 7:14

The hosts reminisce about past trips and future plans together.

“Somebody took a picture of me with my weight vest yesterday on Loma Vi.”

Jennifer Lopez Introduction

7:14 to 8:31

Jason introduces the guest, Jennifer Lopez, highlighting her background.

“and it's fun being back for the weekend.”

Conversation with Jennifer Lopez

8:31 to 14:00

Jason and the hosts engage in a lively discussion with Jennifer Lopez.

“And I was looking at, like, literally 36 hours ago, So I couldn't, everything was like this.”

Exploring Jennifer Lopez's Journey

14:00 to 24:32

Jennifer Lopez reflects on her career, work ethic, and the impact she has on women.

“He's getting a nice bounce off his teeth, though.”

The Struggle with Fame

25:41 to 28:00

Jennifer discusses her rise to fame and the challenges it brought.

“I was thinking about when you started and really started to sort of break through and I kind of want to get into what that was because I'm not sure I really know what that thing was.”

The Pressure of Fame and Exhaustion

28:00 to 29:00

Jennifer Lopez shares her experience with the pressures of fame and the toll it took on her mental health.

“That was when I overworked myself so bad.”

A Breakdown on Set

29:00 to 31:58

J.Lo recounts a critical moment on set when her exhaustion led to a physical breakdown.

“i would go into the studio at night and then on the weekends i like had junkets or video shoots or whatever and i remember not clocking that i had worked like 98 days in a row without taking a day off.”

Becoming J.Lo: The Name Origin

31:58 to 33:56

Jennifer explains how the nickname 'J-Lo' originated from rapper Heavy D and how it became iconic.

“And you learn to kind of like live a certain way.”
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Early Acting Career and Breakthrough

33:56 to 36:41

J.Lo discusses her transition from dancer to actress and the significant roles that defined her early career.

“And that had Jenny from the Block on it.”

Navigating Career Choices

36:41 to 39:42

Jennifer reflects on how she decides her career paths and the importance of being intentional about her choices.

“Talk about that movie, if you will, just a little bit because that was like a real, that movie really went like, she knows what she's doing.”

Embracing New Possibilities

39:42 to 42:00

J.Lo opens up about her newfound control over her career and the endless possibilities ahead.

“Truly, so how do you decide where to point your energy and your assets?”

Embracing Change in Life and Career

42:00 to 45:52

Learn how Jennifer Lopez reflects on her evolving life and career amidst personal changes.

“You come over, we have a glass of wine, and you come to the new house, and it's amazing.”

Embracing Change in Life and Career

45:57 to 46:09

Learn how Jennifer Lopez reflects on her evolving life and career amidst personal changes.

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Self-Reflection and Personal Growth

47:16 to 55:12

Explore the conversation about self-love, personal experiences, and healing.

“And you have to kind of put that in a weird place because people have this sort of thing that they think, but you have to actually go through it.”

Journey from Struggles to Success

55:12 to 56:00

Jennifer Lopez shares her journey from humble beginnings to achieving her dreams.

“and loves about you in the right way, there's a lot you can learn from each other, even if things don't work out.”

Jennifer's Early Dreams and Struggles

56:00 to 56:49

Learn about Jennifer Lopez's early life and the sacrifices she made to pursue her dreams.

“I think I mentioned in the intro where you left home when you were really young and you slept in a dance studio or something.”

Transitioning from Law to Dance

56:50 to 58:19

Discover Jennifer's unexpected shift from aspiring lawyer to dance artist.

“and I was just like, I had a dream that I'm going to be in show business.”

The Evolution of Education and Handwriting

58:20 to 59:21

Discuss the decline of cursive writing in schools and its implications.

“Like, are you involved with your, or do you just kind of just let, you just.”

Speed Round Introduction

59:22 to 1:00:01

Get ready for a fun speed round segment with quick questions.

“Oh, it's terrible because you don't get to practice it, but I know how.”

Jennifer's New Music and Coachella Experience

1:00:02 to 1:02:09

Explore Jennifer's recent music ventures and her performance at Coachella.

“So we're going to do like a little tiny something speed round.”

Touring Stories and Unexpected Moments

1:02:10 to 1:03:06

Listen to Jennifer's amusing and unexpected experiences while on tour.

“And the way the music industry runs nowadays, correct me, most of the income for the artist comes from touring as opposed to album sales.”

The Impact of Jennifer's Iconic Dress

1:03:07 to 1:06:08

Discover how Jennifer Lopez influenced Google Images with her iconic Versace dress.

“There's a coccyx on fire and when you take pills for it and all this stuff.”

Upcoming Projects and Collaborations

1:06:09 to 1:08:20

Get insights into Jennifer's upcoming projects and collaborations in film.

“I was like, don't I deserve some money for that?”

Reflections on Celebrity and Public Perception

1:09:35 to 1:10:01

Explore the complexities of celebrity life and public perception through Jennifer's experiences.

“I mean, when I was reading about her, it's just, you go, oh, yeah.”

Discussion on JLo's Authenticity and Impact

1:10:01 to 1:13:13

Exploring Jennifer Lopez's work ethic and genuine connection to her roots.

“And so that's probably what she's on it.”
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2:10Okay, this is Jason.

2:12Will Arnett:I'm doing a cold open. I'm real snacky. Those carbohydrates, they're crunchy, they're salty. They're not good for me, but man, it feels good. Doesn't it feel good, gang, to do a nice, crunchy, salty snack? Or do you like the gooey, sweet ones? I don't know. Maybe a combo of both is great, right? But which do you start with? Which do you end with? What do you put in between? I know what you put in between. You put in a nice, big, fat, well-cooked episode of Smartless. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. Welcome to Smartless. Smartless.

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3:06Will Arnett:fuck the stress you know guys I can't have the stress I I I lost my voice and it's just now come back a little bit I still have a little Brenda are you screaming at people on set

3:20Sean Hayes:is it from the Knicks games or was you screaming at people instead again?

3:23Will Arnett:I think it was a... I want my chair over here! I think it was a cold or it might have been allergies. No. I mean, yeah. By yourself? It started in my throat and it went to my nose and then it landed on my vocal cords. You're a little fragile.

3:41Sean Hayes:Jason's a little fragile. I feel like this is the first time we're meeting the real JB right now.

3:45Will Arnett:And I was a little frazzled getting to Mike today because that's what we call it, right? Getting to Mike. Getting to Mike. because I wanted to have my teeth brushed for you. Do you guys brush your teeth for me? Of course, always. No, not me. You don't. Don't you brush me. Oh, look at his teeth. Did you sleep with a whitener on too long last night? No, I went to the dentist yesterday,

4:08Sean Hayes:and he's like, I don't whiten my teeth.

4:11Will Arnett:How about that? And you smoke. And you drink coffee. I don't want to drink coffee. And you self-tan.

4:18Sean Hayes:Don't self-tan. That's the one where don't make me mad. you and Kimmel Kimmel nobody loves hitting me my tan more than Molly but where do you what's self tan mean you just lays out that's like a cream

4:32Will Arnett:but where do you find the time and how is it always so even Mr. Trump

4:37Sean Hayes:well you know you know you know what I do every day I do my walk every day and so that's like an hour

4:44Will Arnett:I don't talk to me like I'm fucking watching you doing your fucking heavy hands and shit yeah you know

4:50Sean Hayes:You know what my routine is. Your Velcro ankle weights. You know my routine is.

4:54Will Arnett:Is it? With my weight vest.

4:56Sean Hayes:Somebody took a picture of me with my weight vest yesterday on Loma Vi. Oh, really? I got to see that.

5:01Will Arnett:But Will, I spend a lot of time when I'm not working on the golf course, as we're aware. What? That's five hours of sun exposure, and I wear 100. So you're saying you're 20-minute. I don't wear.

5:15Sean Hayes:Okay, that's what it is. A, and B, I don't wear a bucket hat.

5:19Will Arnett:Right. right? So you wear no sun protection whatsoever you're kind of bragging about that right now to get yourself that nice color but you're giving yourself fucking cancer I'm not first of all

5:29Sean Hayes:fucking cool it it's early for me to die

5:33Will Arnett:okay? I've had skin cancer already I had something shaved off my eye remember that? Yeah I did I had to go in there and got it all scraped off it was scary I get checked

5:42Sean Hayes:I have a friend of mine and she's been giving me a lot of shit about sunscreen lately Are these checks

5:47Will Arnett:that you pay for or is it You say a friend.

5:51Sean Hayes:Like a close friend of mine.

5:54Will Arnett:Does she check for ticks at the same time? All those tough-to-find spots? Whoops, found another one. She just squeezes it out. Like a zit. You're covered in ticks.

6:08Sean Hayes:I found a couple of leeches, too. I'm like, so?

6:11Will Arnett:They have to remove the poison.

6:13Sean Hayes:The ticks hit the tick.

6:16Will Arnett:Oh, my gosh. So wait, so you've got to, yeah, now you're getting into a sweat because you're thinking about all the possible risks you're taking.

6:23Sean Hayes:I've also had four coffees today, so I'm having a coffee sweat. Yeah. You know, we were at dinner the other night, JB. You were missed. I know. You were missed. And Jen brought a photo up from our big family trip from a few years back where we went with all the kids and everything. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:39Will Arnett:God, I love that.

6:40Sean Hayes:And there was a photo of all of us. And then my head's sticking out the back. Remember how dead I was? and my hair is sticking up and then I've got zinc on my lips and I look like a crazy person. Right, Sean? We passed around the photo and everybody had something to say about it. And I've never seen it. I'd never seen it before. I was like, what is... I look like an insane person. Yeah, you look like a predator. Like you guys came to the island and found me there. I'd laid out, you know, I'd written in the sand SOS.

7:08Will Arnett:We have to go back there. I know. We have to go back, guys. It'd be fun to go now

7:12Sean Hayes:with the kids a little bit older. Hey, how's it? and it's fun being back for the weekend.

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7:16Will Arnett:It's very nice to be back for the weekend, yes.

7:18Sean Hayes:I'm going to your Q &A, Jay, tomorrow at Netflix because I know that you're doing a Q &A sesh.

7:23Will Arnett:Oh, is that right, eh? What the hell are you doing there?

7:25Sean Hayes:Well, I'm just going to go because I want to ask you questions about directing and stuff. I know you're giving like a thing. And so I got an email from Netflix about it. Like, come join us. So I'm like, oh, I'm coming. Wear the zinc on your nose so that when you hold your hand up. I'm going to put a fake mustache and a hat and then I'm going to sit in the back

7:40Will Arnett:and I'm going to be like, I've got a question. No, you should play the crazy Italian guy from our podcast.

7:46Sean Hayes:Yeah. I love a black rabbit. Why don't you show these brothers are crazy. You're unhinged.

7:56Will Arnett:I can't believe they sent you an invite.

7:58Sean Hayes:No, actually, a different friend of mine got an email about it, and they sent it to me, and I was like, oh, fucking send me that. I want to go. I want to go show up and crash. How good? And then, you know what? I did have the thought. I was like, if I did it, then I make it about me, and I'm not going to go and do that. No, why do that? Please, please, please do. I do it enough. There's so many people listening right now who are nodding, going, I know, you do make it about you. Shut up, we hate your stupid stories.

8:22Will Arnett:But what about like, yeah, so I'm here this weekend to do these interviews and stuff for DTF and for Black Rabbit and stuff. And it's all talking. It's all talking. You're going to make it. Including this podcast. And I was looking at, like, literally 36 hours ago, So I couldn't, everything was like this. I couldn't make a set. Oh, really? And I was like, oh, my God. I've got like five days of work ahead of me that's just talking. Luckily, I got a little prednisone in me and an anapologo. Yeah, good, good.

8:52Sean Hayes:You know what? I was talking to our buddy who's doing Dog Day Afternoon. Not John Bernthal, but I was talking to you. You guys know John Ortiz is the best. He's a great actor and he's a good buddy of mine. And he is on Broadway right now. Yeah. And he has a really bad cold and it's a night. He's like, it's a nightmare scenario.

9:10Will Arnett:I almost called you, Sean, because I knew you'd probably have some fancy Broadway doctor that knows how to deal with vocal stuff. Always. I have two of the best. I'll text you. Boots knows. Wait, wait. Wait, Sean, are you getting rid of paddles and going with boots? Right now he's boots.

9:26Sean Hayes:Right now he's boots. Oh, boots McGee. Yeah, boots. Yeah, because I put a boot on. But speaking of some— Sean's got a point that he wants to make. I saw him. Who are you looking at off camera who's giving you the cue to go into it? Is it Scott? No, nobody. Me. It's me. Okay. I'm looking at all of you. No, we have to go because our guest is super famous and she has to work. Oh, sorry. Okay. Yes. Here we go. Here we go. I should have got dressed up. I meanwhile got undressed. Put your sleeves back on. I'm going to put a nice pashmina on. Oh, guys, my guest today, who I love and I live for, grew up in Castle Hill, New York, the middle of three sisters in an apartment.

10:01Andrew Martin. So small, they all shared a bed. There was always music in the house with constant reenactments of West Side Story. I could do the whole thing with her. Chenoweth. But her parents still hoped she'd become a lawyer. Instead, she left college to pursue dance full-time, left home, and ended up sleeping in a Manhattan dance studio. Somewhere along the way, she taught Kerry Washington how to dance. I can't wait to ask about that. Then she became the first Latina actress ever, paid a million dollars for a movie role. Rita Moreno. She's briefly been on this podcast before. It's the beautiful, multi-talented, and unstoppable Jennifer Lopez.

10:35Jennifer Lopez. Yes! No way!

10:37Sean Hayes:Willie got it. Very nice. It took you a few. No, when you said briefly, and then I remember you briefly on yes.

10:45Will Arnett:I was so close with Andrea Martin. God damn it. So close. Oh, my God. Jen, what are you drinking? Hi there. A little cappuccino. Oh, nice. Get you going. What do you go with for the milk on that? Are we almond? Are we oat? Are we dairy? I'm traditional. I like a 2 % milk. I know everybody's with fancy oats and almonds and soy.

11:06Sean Hayes:Cow milk all the way. Jason responds to that, you beta.

11:11Will Arnett:I know, but I feel, I got word from one of those doctors back in the day that I'm lactose intolerant or I'm bad with the dairy or something like that. And so I've just, I've never had like cow milk since then. Plus, I did see a documentary once where they said the very disgusting fact, which is humans are the only species that drink the milk of another animal. I don't care. It is weird, isn't it? It is weird. It is weird. I'm the same way. I don't care. I know. You drink full, tall glasses of milk, Sean. I don't care. I know. And it tastes so good. It tastes so good. Plus, Jennifer Lopez is always working out and exercising and staying in good health so she can have milk in her coffee.

11:55I try. Right? Well, it's not about that. It's not about that. It's not a bad health show. But I mean, you know, if you're going to do it, you kind of have to balance it. says Jennifer Lopez says Dr. Ding Dong over there you look very healthy you look very very healthy Dr. Ding Dong thank you yeah Jen thank you for doing this I'm so excited you're here this is a long time coming from me you've been on my list since we started oh you're sweet wow this is exciting it's true and I know we kind of know each other and I love you too yes we do do you dance together yeah we worked together many times over the years on the Will and Grace and something else too I can't remember what it was did we I think so you know what I realized I'm so bad that, you know, you get to a point where you've done so much with so many people.

12:39And people are like, we did that. Like the other day, don't hate me. I was watching Monster-in-Law.

12:46Sean Hayes:Oh, my God. And I forgot you were in it. You forgot? What?

12:51Will Arnett:I'm going to do that podcast soon. That's what happens with them. No, no, because it was just so long ago. I mean, I don't want to say how many years ago it was, but it was so long ago. Wasn't that during Arrested Development, Willie?

13:01Sean Hayes:You did that? That was 21 years ago. It was the summer of 2005. 21 years ago. Wow.

13:06Will Arnett:You know, Jennifer, as I'm admiring your beautiful printer in the background there, I then noticed that, Sean, you've moved the award. Didn't you have an award behind you last week? Yes, because you made fun of me. And I made fun of you moved it. Yeah, I did. But it's just right there, both of them. But what about how... Jen keeps it real. She's got a fucking printer in her frame. That's a biz hub. That's a biz hub. I'm in a hotel. You are? Where? In New York? In New York. I was here for the upfront, so I'm just here. No, but you know people like stack their awards behind them when they do Zooms.

13:38Will Arnett:Yeah, I do. No, you don't. But in my office at home, I have like a wall of all these awards and things. All behind you for the Zoom. They're just there and then you sit at your desk and they're there. You've got so many. You can't point the camera at any... Where are you going to put them? Exactly. Jason, where are you going to put them? In your office there? Or, yeah. By the way, they're in the basement now. Will's looking behind him. he can't fit him in the whisper booth. I can't. There's not one. There's not one. Why is it so dark in there? I know.

14:08Sean Hayes:So that his tan pops. This is my booth. But hang on a second. He's getting a nice bounce off his teeth, though. The shorts.

14:15Will Arnett:I know. The shorts. Like, at what age do you stop wearing shorts? First of all, look at these. Oh, it's a hockey glove.

14:23Sean Hayes:These are special Toronto Maple Leafs.

14:25Will Arnett:Limited Toronto Maple Leafs hockey glove. When are the Toronto Maple Leafs ever had a green hockey glove?

14:30Sean Hayes:They used to be the Toronto St. Pat's when they first started. And then look at this, Jason. Do you remember this? I've somehow kept this after all these years. What is it?

14:37Will Arnett:Is that the Wanamaker from the PGA Championship?

14:39Sean Hayes:It's called the VH1.

14:42Will Arnett:Oh, boy.

14:42Sean Hayes:Big, big in 04. And we got it. We went for arrested. And somehow I've kept this stupid huge trophy.

14:49Will Arnett:Wait, so we got one trophy and you got to keep it?

14:51Sean Hayes:Yeah, obviously. Everybody elected me because they were like, who's the most deserving?

14:55Will Arnett:Is VH1 still going? I don't know. Yeah, I think so. Hey, Jonathan. Welcome to the show. Yeah, question for the guest, please, Sean. No, not at all. Got to break in. Let's just chit-chat. Well, it's, you know, but it's the thing about, like, we worked together three times on Will and Grace. And the first time, God, did we laugh a lot. I mean, I was kicking you in, literally, physically kicking you in the ass. Yeah. Jumping in between your legs and, like, dancing like fools. It was ridiculously hilarious. And you were so game. And I think you're so game for so many things. and, you know, in researching...

15:32Yeah, too many things sometimes. No, no, no. But, you know, in doing all this research before today, you realize, oh, I don't really... I've never done a deep dive on you. We always have chit-chat and have a good time, you know. You never asked her anything important. You were just worried about yourself. That's right. I was always like, when's the next question about me? But so before we get into it, I just want to say I realized doing all this stuff, how rare your kind of drive is, your work ethic, the ambition, the discipline. You've been doing at such a high level for decades.

16:04Will Arnett:I mean, have you seen her documentary? That documentary is just like, I think I had a chance to run into you after I saw it and said how much I love it. It's so impressive. I mean, not only just well-made, but the scope of it. I mean, your career is incredibly stacked. It's incredible. I mean, nonstop. And this is another thing we'll talk about later, but the thing you do for women in general, whether you do it intentionally or not, I'm sure some of it is intentional, you make them feel empowered. You show them that talent and beauty and sexuality. You can have all that at any age and you're fearless about all that.

16:42How aware of, are you aware of how much permission that gives people or are you too busy working to even think about it? I'll say this. When I was starting out and I had just started doing like my clothing line. So I had been acting for a while and dancing and singing for a while, had my first records out and things like that. So this is, fuck, I don't know, 20 years ago. Yeah. And I was working with a few girls in my office who are like friends who I just hired, you know? And I remember saying, like, it was getting overwhelming. And I said, I just, this is so fucking much. Why am I doing this?

17:22And she goes, Jennifer, if you can't. And I probably had just went through some breakup and fucking everything had blown up in my face again. You know what I mean? I was just like, I just don't know if I can go on. She goes, Jennifer, if you can't do it, none of us can do it. And when she said that to me, I never forgot it. And I thought to myself, oh, people look at me a certain way, especially girls, like women.

17:49Will Arnett:Yeah, good inspiration, for sure. They were like, and it gave me like a feeling of responsibility to do things right all the time. A responsibility you like or didn't want? I don't mind it because I am a hard worker and I do have discipline. Like I started running track when I was, you know, eight or nine years old and I was practicing every day. Like I always had kind of like an athlete's kind of drive and work ethic.

18:16Sean Hayes:That makes sense. So I, yeah, and I did track for a while, gymnastics. I played softball. Like I was very much an athlete before I fell in love with dancing. Once I fell in love with dancing, sports went out the window. Right, because it is a sport. It is a sport. And it was just an easy transition. But also because I grew up on musicals with my mom and all of that, and I loved them so much. It was like I always wanted to sing and dance and act. But when it took its natural time, I really like left everything behind and just fell in love with that. But that really made me feel that that exchange stayed with me even all these years later, because it just made me feel like like don't fuck it up.

19:00Like, do the right things. People are watching you for whatever reason. Maybe because I was, you know, Puerto Rican and from the Bronx and came from similar places where all these people, you know, people come from. You know, I wasn't like born in Hollywood and, you know, kind of that thing. And so there was a real.

19:18Sean Hayes:Jason. A real like idea in my mind of like, you have to do things right. Don't don't fuck it up. And work for it. Yeah. Yeah. And do it. Do it. Like, do the thing. Like, go for it.

19:32Will Arnett:Yeah. What was first for you? Was it an example of someone who was just an incredible inspiration as far as their accomplishments? Was that first? Or was it being inspired by seeing an incredible dancer or musician or actor? Or when you were a little girl, what was the first thing that inspired you? Was it accomplishment or was it a specific talent? No, it was the arts. Like from when I was very little, I remember you bought up Rita Moreno and you bought up West Side Story right before us. You were trying to guess who I was. That's all he does. That's all he does in pretty old Rita Moreno. It really was Rita Moreno for me.

20:16Will Arnett:Oh, really? Yes, yes. I did want her to be my mom. Watching Electric Company, I said to my mother once when I was a tiny little kid, I said, I want her to be my mom. Yes, who wouldn't? And she's so amazing. And the thing is, is like I my mom watched West Side Story in the theater when it first came out and she made us watch it every single year. I don't even remember the first time I saw it, three years old, four years old, five years old. But I do remember watching it on TV one Thanksgiving because it came on once a year and thinking that's what I want to do. I want to sing and dance and act.

20:49I want to dance around. I want to sing. My mother was kind of that way as well and very kind of vivacious, take over the room type of person. and I wasn't like that. I was more like my dad. I was more quiet and kind of like to myself, but that part I had, like I wanted to sing and dance and shake my ass too. You know what my mom was doing?

21:09Will Arnett:Imagine you dancing and singing around like the living room and stuff like that, like kids do. Cause like, that's when we have no fear and no sense of, you know. Dance like nobody's watching, you mean? Right, but then there's that moment. We all hit when we're about, I don't know, 10, 11 or something like that, where you start to become aware of shame and embarrassment and what other people might be thinking. And there's that transition that it's almost a sad transition that you see kids go through where they become self-aware, but then, you know, you hope that they gather sort of coping skills to kind of have self-assuredness and to kind of push through that and have their confidence take over and to be able to push through that.

21:49Will Arnett:Do you remember that moment where you stopped kind of dancing like no one was watching and you were aware people were watching and and were able to push through that i think this is what makes me a little different that i was never happened no i was never afraid to make a fool of myself that's like yeah i was i was always just like it's fine i fell down and maybe that was part of the athlete part too you know what i mean like it was just like you're gonna you know make mistakes you're gonna fall You're going to do the, like, I was ready. I'm like, get back. I'm very scrappy. Part of learning. Part of success.

22:24Yeah.

22:26Will Arnett:We'll be right back.

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25:37Will Arnett:And now back to the show.

25:41Sean Hayes:I was thinking about when you started and really started to sort of break through and I kind of want to get into what that was because I'm not sure I really know what that thing was. I have questions about it. Thank you, Sean. This is not your time. I'd like to reclaim my time. Jennifer, I wonder if you know like the moment when you broke through and you broke through on such a global level in such a way that is very, very rare, where everybody in the world knows who you are. And just bear with me, that you have the moment where you, that kind of dawns on you, the level of recognition and fame.

26:18Sean Hayes:And then you as a person, the gap of you catching up to that and being okay with that on that kind of a level. Do you remember that time? Was it a struggle kind of between you and it? It was the worst. It was honestly, it was the worst. It was, um, I had just done Selena and the movie came out and I was still walking around, you know, Hollywood, like going on auditions. Like it was still that time, but it had just come out and I was walking down the street. And for the first time, somebody was like, Hey, Hey, and they come running towards me. And I thought, the motherfucker's gonna mug me what the fuck is going on right now like I got really nervous you know and I was just you know like any woman in the world you know we're threatened by other so many things like we're so scared all the time in a weird way and I was just walking to the store from my apartment in LA and it was just so jarring to me and then I realized they were like I saw I I saw you in whatever.

27:25And I was like, oh. Yeah.

27:27Will Arnett:I was like, I don't. But my thing was like, I don't know you. Yeah. Like, I don't know you. Like, what are you doing? Like, back up. Don't touch me. I was so scared. And I remember it dawning on me. I was like, oh, you're not anonymous anymore. Right. Yeah. Your anonymity is gone.

27:46Sean Hayes:Yeah. And I don't. And I think in my mind, I thought, you can't get that back. That's something that's lost forever. And I remember that's when I started having panic attacks. Oh, did you? I had, oh, it was a terrible time for me. Yeah, can you talk about that when you were filming enough, right? No, that was another time. That was when I overworked myself so bad. That was a different panic attack, Sean. When I didn't realize my limits. Yeah, but I read about that in preparation for this. And that's fascinating to me because I love medical stories. Can you say what happened and why? Yeah, so that was the kind of getting used to like fame.

28:22and realizing your life had changed in a way that you couldn't control anymore.

28:26Sean Hayes:Or go back. You can't go back. They're always going to know. Somebody will always have seen Selena. Somebody will always. And for whatever reason, that really freaked me out. And that took a minute. But what you're talking about is when I was doing enough. I think I had done like four movies in a row. And I had recorded my second album or something like that. so the j-lo album which was really big yeah huge and what was like the jail the j-lo album right and i was working filming every day as you guys know what that is you know all the hours and then i would go into the studio at night and then on the weekends i like had junkets or video shoots or whatever and i remember not clocking that i had worked like 98 days in a row without taking a day off.

29:18Sean Hayes:Right. Because we went back and counted it because we're like, what happened? And one day I'm sitting in the, on the set of Enough. It's actually kind of thinking about it. And I'm walking to the set every single time. And every time I walk to the set, I start getting a little, like a little pitter patter in my heart. Like it's like rising. And I go and finally it got to the point, I was like, I really feel nervous. And I had the little girl in Enough. And I was like, I'm sorry, sweetie. I feel a little weird today. I said, I'm a little tired or something. And she was like, it's okay. You're going to be all right.

29:54You know, she's like going like this to my face. But I wasn't all right. And I went back to the trailer and I sat down. And all of a sudden, like, I just couldn't see. Like, it was almost like I couldn't see clearly. Like, something just went over my eyes and I couldn't move. And one of my girlfriends, who was my friend since the second grade, was my assistant. And she was like, so she has no, like, she doesn't know what, she didn't really know what she was doing too much. But we love thugging it out together and figuring it out and being together. And I said to her, Arlene, I can't move. I can't see.

30:34She goes, stop it, Jennifer, you're scaring me. And I go, no, I really can't move. I said, no, I can't move. You should get somebody. And she's like, stop, stop. I said, get B.O.B., my security guard. And she got me. And I was like, I can't move. And I can't see. And I couldn't move. I was just paralyzed. Yeah, yeah. And he picked me up and put me in the car. We went to the hospital. Wow. And it was crazy. And I said to the doctor, I said, am I going crazy? And he said, no, you're not crazy.

31:08Sean Hayes:It's exhaustion. Yeah, he's like, you shut down. I remember, speaking of Monster Law, I remember we were shooting a couple days like downtown somewhere, and the level of attention, I remember you having to drive to set, and they had to put blinders on the thing for you to drive into, and there were photographers on the roofs of the building across the street. Yeah. And I remember, and then they had the base camp set up in this parking lot downtown, and I remember these dudes randomly, putting cameras under the fence and just shooting like this, hoping to get somebody. And I thought, oh, my God.

31:45Yeah.

31:45Sean Hayes:That is so. And by the way, there are a lot of people who go like, oh, well, that's the price you pay for fame and all that kind of bullshit. And you're like, oh, yeah? That's pretty rough, man. Like you don't have a second. Yeah. It can be really tricky. And you learn to kind of like live a certain way. Like I don't go out all that much, you know. And I know where I can go. Yeah, to this day. I have my like very small group of friends and they come over or we do things or we go on trips. But even when we go on trips, it's very curated and you have to learn because it's just, it's part of it. Jason calls photographers.

32:23Sean Hayes:He lets them know they have his schedule. They have access to his iCal.

32:26Will Arnett:They never show. And they never show. What about now that sort of surgical masks are so sort of like accepted in public and so commonplace now? Do you ever enjoy that level of, you know, sort of finding anonymity? No, I feel like people always know it's me and I feel stupid. Like if I put on a hat like too long, it's like, is that J-Lo? Yeah, she has a hat on. You know what I mean? It's like stupid. I put a mask on. They'll even recognize my voice sometimes if I'm just talking in a store. Like I'll see people creep around the aisle like they heard me talking or something. I'm like, hi.

33:03Sean Hayes:Did your friends call you J-Lo when you were a kid growing up? No. No, not at all. Not at all. That was something that I always credit Heavy D. I don't know if you guys remember. Oh, yeah. Of course. He was a rapper back in the day. Back in the day. All the Sony artists, there was a place called the Hit Factory here in New York. Yep. And all of us recorded there. A lot of people recorded there. It was a big studio. And people would always come in and out to other people's studios. and I met Heavy at that time. And he just always used to call me Jenny Lo. He's like, J-Lo, J-Lo, Jenny Lo. And I was like, I think I'm going to call my next album J-Lo.

33:45I love that. That's so cool. Yeah, and that's kind of how it happened. It was really very simple. It just stuck.

33:51Sean Hayes:When did Jenny from the Block come? I was going to get to Jenny from the Block, yeah. It was the next album. So J-Lo was my second album. My first album was On the Six. So my third album was This Is Me Then. And that had Jenny from the Block on it. Do you know, you spawned, how many people in the world probably refer to their friends, Jennifer, as Jenny from the Block? Like, we have a friend. Oh, my God. Right? Yeah, you do come across it. You spawned a whole. But also, they all do their names. Oh, my, they people call me Edo. Yeah, right, right, right. Like, they put their name together and stuff like that.

34:25Jason would be J-ba. Yeah, you'd be J-B, J-ba. And you're see-ha.

34:30Will Arnett:Say-ha. Say-ha. Say-ha. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't roll off the tongue. So, but getting back to when you were first starting, because I think it's fascinating that you went from the time frame of In Living Color, which was, you know, its own story, which we could probably talk about forever, but In Living Color to Money Train to Selena. at that time you really had to prove yourself as an actress and you probably worked hard to do that, right? What did that period feel like when you look back on it where you're like, wait, how do I get people to take me seriously from dancing on In Living Color to being an actress?

35:13Well, it's funny. My very first movie was a movie called My Family, Mi Familia, which Greg Nava did. Oh, right. And it had Edward James Olmos in it. That was the very first time I worked with him. and I played the young matriarch in the movie. And right from that moment, I think people seeing that little piece of tape, that really helped make the transition because it was a great little role and I had to like cross the river from Mexico into the thing and I'm like swimming and I'm like, I'm action-y and I'm crying with the baby and it was like a great little juicy. It was a small role, but it was juicy.

35:51And with that piece of tape, people were like, oh she can act she's an actress and i was and i had worked on it before i did my first movie i studied it acting all throughout and living color really brought me out to los angeles and that's when i started like taking classes all the time and reading all the books and doing all the things

36:09Sean Hayes:i love you did and then you did god i remember this movie holds up i love it so much you're so great in out of sight oh my god yeah you were so that movie is so good so so good oh you're so good in that. It's such a great movie. It really is. You really dragged Clooney along because, no, you did. You launched something there. You made Clooney look good, and I don't care if he hears this. You made him look good. And that Soderbergh character. And Soderbergh too. Yeah, yeah. Steven too. You really helped those guys. Yeah, I really helped him out. Talk about that movie, if you will, just a little bit because that was like a real, that movie really went like, she knows what she's doing.

36:50Sean Hayes:Yeah. I mean, you already were, But yeah, I was excited. Listen, I got really lucky in the beginning of my career to work with like some really great directors, Stephen Soderbergh, Oliver Stone, Francis Ford Coppola. Like I was like I worked with Robin Williams. Like there was it was a really beautiful, beautiful beginning to an acting career for me, for sure. yeah and working on Out of Sight it was funny the thing I remember the most about Out of Sight was one of the things is Steve's on because we had like one of the most epic nights ever singing musical theater I think I was singing to him and telling him I was going to be a singer and he was like you're right I was like I am I am I'm working on my album right now like I was so young and kind of like goofy and whatever and he but I also remember like the auditioning process for that and going i remember the last like i read for steven and he was like i think i like he's talking to george like i like this girl jennifer lopez to play this role and he was like okay and they had me go do like a chemistry read and i had to drive to george's house and i remember getting there and there was a pig in the front yard I was like, this is some real Hollywood shit.

38:10This is some weird stuff. And Richard Kine collecting the mail. He had his pig and we were there. And we, you know, we read like on the couch together, literal casting couch. And we were just had this chemistry that really worked. And Stephen just loved it. And I got the role and I was so happy because it was a really great role as well.

38:38Will Arnett:Did you get it there in the room? Yeah, I think, yeah, by the time I got home, they had called my agent and said that, you know, they wanted me. Oh, that's great. How do you, with so much ability across, you know, mediums, how and anything that you basically declare you're going to do, it's going to find financing and it's going to find an audience. how do you decide what to do if if if if anything is a viable direction like i mean you could you could start a musical tomorrow or you could do another album or you could you could finance you could start a movie you could you could act in that movie direct that movie you could open a bank you could do it yeah you could start like a cupcake store down the street that would be i do have i do have cookie dough that i would think i call jay dough there you go oh for real That is the best chocolate cookies in the world.

39:32And one day I'm going to make this, I'm going to share it with the world.

39:37Sean Hayes:You don't sell it yet? No, no. That's a mistake. We can announce it today. Leave the money on the table. I want it. We love chocolate chip cookies.

39:46Will Arnett:Truly, so how do you decide where to point your energy and your assets? You know, it's funny you ask that question because I don't think, I think one of the things about my career and sometimes, you know, there's in any long career, there's ups and downs. You swing for the fences and you, you know, fail. And then there's times when it's just like, you know, you just hit it out of the park. And right now, I think I just didn't ever realize that I had that kind of power. I always felt, again, like the scrappy one kind of trying to make it. And erring on the side of humility and not assuming something till you're sure.

40:24Will Arnett:I think that's a healthy place to be. And it did serve me in certain ways. But in other ways, I always felt like whatever I got was good enough. Instead of going, wait a minute, is this the right thing to do right now? Or is that the right? It was just kind of like work, work, work, work, work, work, work. I'm working, I'm working, I'm working. And I think it wasn't just now as my kids are about to leave to college in about a few months. They're both 18. Don't make me cry, okay? Wow. I'm with you. Yeah, and they're twins, so they're both leaving at the same time. It's just going to be me by myself.

41:00And I'm looking at, like, what I really want to do. And for the first time in my life, I've really taken more control of exactly what you're saying. Like, what do you really want to do? Like, do you want to direct? Do you want to do musicals? What have you not done that really feels fulfilling to you? Because I actually have realized that I do have that. that I have earned that over these years. And I should be very, I want to be very intentional about what I do over these next four or five years.

41:34Sean Hayes:You can take agency over your own life. Yeah, and also like give myself a pat on the back, which I never do. I never do and I never did. You should. Where I go, you know what, you created this. That little girl with like, I always say this, with like holes in her shoes in the Bronx. You know what I mean? I wear my sneakers down where this part of my foot was out all the time. I'm sure that's going to be a meme.

41:57Will Arnett:If I asked you right now, what do you really love and value most in your life? I'm sure that you would say your kids. But if I narrowed that to what your career represents for you, sort of in a pursuit of trying to find an answer for what you would want to do next or your next chapter to be, what is it that you enjoy the most that you that your career has provided you is it is it respect is it is this possibility yeah i think it's the that i have opened up an avenue for myself where there's an endless possibility and i can really create a new dream right now for myself yeah for sure and and and i just moved into a new house like everything in my life has changed over the past couple of years.

42:45I moved into a new house. What happened? I'm kidding. Oh, that's for another time.

42:52Sean Hayes:It's a different podcast. That's a different... Guys, keep rolling. You come over, we have a glass of wine, and you come to the new house, and it's amazing. And I built my little corner of the world dream house. I got my kids some horses. We have stables. I was like, please come home. Please come back home to your horses. There's horses here. And just really thinking about like with all this change, it's actually been a very emotional time for me where, yes, I'm crying because they're leaving. But I'm also like staring down like what is my life now? The past 20 years, it's been one thing. The past five years has been a tumult, you know.

43:42And then the last two years has been kind of the healing process from that tumult where I really got to know myself. And the person I am today is so different than the person I was even two years ago. It's crazy. And now I can really look at my life, appreciate it for what it is and what I've created for myself and be really happy. and both my kids like got into all their colleges and they both got scholarships and they're going where they want to go. And it's just, I was like, you did that shit all by yourself.

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47:16Sean Hayes:And back to the show. I was just going to say, I think it's awesome that you, the way that you talk about it, and you seem so sort of clear-headed and calm knowing we sort of joke about it, about how much people perceive or think that they know about your life and what you've gone through and all that kind of stuff. And you have to kind of put that in a weird place because people have this sort of thing that they think, but you have to actually go through it. And like you said, when you started, you're just a human being and people forget that. You know what I mean? And it's so crazy to me because we don't really understand other people's experiences unless we walk in their shoes.

47:57Will Arnett:Right, and there's also, I think, I don't want to cut you off, Willie, but I do think, you know, we're all aware of, and some of us are friends with, some people that have like this enormous level of celebrity and exposure that actually enables the ability for, enables them to stay exactly who that is for kind of as long as they want. In other words, there's this real permissive culture around celebrity, and you don't kind of have to be the best part of you, and you don't have to grow. Like, you know, what you just said, Jennifer, that, you know, the past two years has been about the healing and that you're so different now than you were even two years ago, five years ago.

48:40Will Arnett:Do you recognize that that can be a real accomplishment for somebody in your position? I think that's a real great attaboy that you've clearly put in time and work and self-reflection. And you could have just kind of just kept eating the junk food of the permissive culture around you and just kind of leaned back. But it sounds like you're leaning into who am I going to be for this next chapter? What have I learned, et cetera, et cetera. 100 percent I I again there's been different times where I felt like whether people outside were knew it or not where they feel like my life blew up in my own face and it was because of the choices I made but also because of the fact that I had things that needed to change about myself that I didn't understand or recognize that was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of, you know, experience into my life.

49:37And I really needed, honestly, it's that thing where, and you can go either way. You're right. It is a choice. So I want to give myself that credit too, but there comes a point where it's all so puzzling and wrong where you have to sit there. And after my last divorce, I just sat there and I was like, I canceled my Torah and I sat there and I was just like, you need to fucking figure yourself out. What is going on with you? Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except yourself in a certain way. Not that people don't behave in a way that's not great, but what are you doing? What do you have going on?

50:23And that was a turning point for me. and that was a couple of years ago now.

50:28Sean Hayes:I had the same thing about two, three years ago. Maybe I've told you guys this in private before, but I had a moment before I got into real therapy a couple of years ago where one day I was making coffee in the morning and I swear to God, and I went, I remember distinctly what was happening. Oat milk. Not the date. Oat milk. Oat milk. And I remember, and I went, I said out loud to myself, it's you. Right? And I had this, I was like, oh my God, I need to do some work. I go, it's me. But by the way, everybody needs to do that at some point in your life.

51:02Will Arnett:Yeah, and by the way, everybody goes through this. I mean, it's all sort of relative. It's part of being human, right? Like what being human is, we're born, we get these parents, they do the best they can or they do as much as they can. They form certain parts about ourselves. And then our journey is kind of the undoing and the healing of those things, of the patterns that that created. And so in doing and looking at those patterns, I was able to kind of like go back to that little girl and really look at her and go, that little seven-year-old girl, like I said, with the ripped nightgown, like I can see her right now with it, like my hair was like up to here and it was about the same color.

51:45And you know what I mean? 30 feet walking around barefoot all the fucking time. And I was like, you, you, yeah, just stay. She's back. Still nothing's changed. Still Jenny from the block. And just kind of like going, you did this.

52:04Sean Hayes:Yeah. You did all this. Yeah. Give yourself a little fucking something, like a little love. Right. Stop looking for love in other things.

52:12Will Arnett:Yeah. And give it to yourself. Yeah, there's so much to love in you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you don't see it because you're in this business and everybody's telling you you're bad at this and you're bad at that and they're scrutinizing and criticizing your personal, your professional life and you're not doing this enough or you didn't choose that right movie or that song didn't do as good as last one. And you're like, and it plays on you and it plays on those places that were reinforced when you were younger of like whatever it is, the impressions that were made on you because of the way you were loved or cared for in different ways.

52:51And it's just, it's all so intertwined. And I find it very interesting and I love it because I really do believe people are capable of change because I've experienced it.

53:02Will Arnett:And a lot of that fuel for change comes from that self-love. But that self-love is often so hard for all of us to kind of recognize and utilize because it's hard to see because we're living with ourselves every day. You know, you kind of get used to some of the things that you really should be taking a second to be pleased with about yourself. It's like you can't see your own hair grow, right? I also think people don't understand what it is to love yourself. Like to understand to whatever you want. And I think having kids for me changed a lot of that because I realized whatever I want to give them, like why wouldn't I give that to myself?

53:43Right.

53:44Sean Hayes:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't I appreciate those things? about why don't I, you know, if you want respect from people, you have to respect yourself. Those are actions, right? Like those are real tangible things. And being my sister said to me once, Linda, who I think is so smart. And she was like, when are you going to be your own keeper? You keep everybody else. You take care of mom. You take care of me. You take care of the kids. You take care of everybody who works for you. You take care. When are you going to be your own keeper? And I was just like, yeah. And these are all little pieces. I feel like the journey is like pieces, pieces, little puzzle pieces that you fit in little by little as you like sit there with the oat milk and go, it's me.

54:26Sean Hayes:Yeah. This fucking thing that just happened, me. And, you know, you mentioned the kids. I sort of realized also that like that act of the way that we love our kids, for me anyway, my experience is that act of being loving to them allows, the reason it feels so good is because you're generating that and then you get it back. And it's when you close off and you don't act in a loving way pushing, I find the more I push out, the more it comes back. And so like with my kids, that's why it feels so good because you're creating that as opposed to kind of rolling up the window on it. Do you know what I mean?

55:01Sean Hayes:Absolutely. No, I agree. And the kids are a great learner, but relationships are great, you know, kind of learning grounds as well where you really get to face yourself. If you get lucky enough to be with somebody who actually really cares and loves about you in the right way, there's a lot you can learn from each other, even if things don't work out. You know what I mean? But Jason, I'm sorry I cut you off. I was just like had to get that thought out. No, no, I was kind of done.

55:29Will Arnett:I was just saying it's a dumb metaphor or analogy not being able to recognize your own hair growing because we see ourselves in the mirror every single day. But if you don't see somebody for a few weeks, they go, oh, your hair's gotten long. You have a beard. Yeah, right. You can't really see the things inside of you that you probably should be, you know. You've got the greatest hair of all time. I was trying to back into a compliment.

55:52Sean Hayes:Jason's got the greatest hair. You really do. You're really supposed to do. It's unbelievable. But I mean, guys. You know what, Jennifer, you want to know something? He hasn't put a comb or a brush in it since he was 11. That's a true story. Stop. It's true. Stop. And he doesn't color it. He doesn't color it. Also true. He's so handsome.

56:08Will Arnett:Guys. You know, I mentioned it before, Jen. It's like, you know, the... Well, maybe I didn't mention it. I think I mentioned in the intro where you left home when you were really young and you slept in a dance studio or something. I did. As a girl. I have done the craziest things that nobody knows. I know, but don't you look back at that with everything we're talking about now. and giving yourself and loving yourself, looking at that and going, wow, I was sleeping on the floor of a studio on my own, not even living at home. And look what I've done. Like, it's just mind-blowing. It's crazy because my mom and dad, like I was about to start college or I had just done a semester of college and I was just like, I had a dream that I'm going to be in show business.

56:53And they were like, we lived in the Bronx. weeks we you know they were like this crazy bitch and i was just like no dad and my mom was like you're not dropping out of college you are crazy you know how much we do so you can go to college and my dad was like did you have a dream really i said daddy i did i really did no anyway the next few months was tumultuous and i wound up leaving the house and i kept i kept skipping i stopped going to class at college and I was going to the dance studio and literally taking class all day. I just so fallen in love with it. I was, yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer.

57:33I worked in a law office for a few years during high school and I was like really good with numbers and taxes and things like that. And I don't know, I just could feel, I was just good at it and they loved me. And I, and I just was on this track to be a lawyer. And I was going to apply to law school, whatever. I don't know. Anyway. Yeah, I mean, it's wild to know that. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't happen. And I decided to like go sleep on the dance floor. I needed somewhere to go when me and my mom had a big falling out. And I called the dance teacher and I said, you know, can I come stay? I'll sleep on the couch at the dance studio.

58:12And he said, yeah. Wow. That's crazy. Wow. He liked me, but yeah.

58:18Will Arnett:Do you still have a talent for numbers and bookkeeping and that types of things? Like, are you involved with your, or do you just kind of just let, you just. No, I'm smart about it, but I, and I've always been very attuned with my business managers, like not to let my money get away from me. But you're not like playing the markets and like, you know, looking on the stock pages and like. I do some investing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because some people I know, they really like, they handicap companies kind of like horses and they really follow that stuff. Yeah, no, I don't. They really get interested in that.

58:48Will Arnett:No, I don't. I don't. And I left that behind and probably can't do multiplication. Now, my kids' math is too hard for me when I try to help them. You know what I just read the other day? This should be good. The Giving Tree.

59:04Sean Hayes:A page of a book.

59:05Will Arnett:They don't teach cursive anymore in school. I haven't done for like the last few years. I know. Why is that? Well, I guess because typing is such a big part of - I know, but like - We don't write anymore. But you got to sign your name and stuff. Exactly. Like, what is the signature? They teach them their name in kindergarten, I think, and that's it. And that's it. We're done.

59:24Sean Hayes:Next chapter. How's everybody's handwriting? Self-assessment on your handwriting.

59:27Will Arnett:Oh, it's terrible because you don't get to practice it, but I know how. Jason Badge. Yeah, terrible. My brain works faster than my hand, so I can't, you know. I also want to have to write a birthday card. I know. I'm like, this is horrendous. Wait a minute. Yes. Like if you crush it out, it's crazy. Do you do all caps?

59:43Sean Hayes:Do you do all caps? I do like a hybrid. It's terrible. Yeah, me too. It's a hybrid. Yeah. What's happened to us?

59:50Will Arnett:I'll start every sentence in cursive and then end up going, just for legibility alone. I want people to understand what the hell I'm writing. It's so true. Okay, so this is like, I'm going to just, because we're almost out of time with you. Speed round, speed round, speed round. So we're going to do like a little tiny something speed round. This is a section Sean's been trying to introduce to the podcast the last couple of weeks. You've had a career, which is just massive. I know. I know every other song that you've ever recorded. And I just think it's incredible. Thank you. Thank you. You know, it's pretty insane.

1:00:20I just had a number one dance record. Really? Like a few weeks ago. Yes. Yeah, I had a new record out called Save Me Tonight. And I went and I performed it at Coachella. And after that, like, went to number one.

1:00:34Will Arnett:That's amazing. It's amazing. It is amazing. Had you done Coachella before? Never. It was my first time at Coachella. Was it a freaky, big experience or was it? It's massive. It's big. And I had never been. I didn't know what it was like or whatever. But you have all these people. And I hadn't done a dance record in a long time. And David Guetta had this record. And I was going out on tour last summer to do like a little limited tour overseas. And I was like, I need some new songs. Like I'm tired of performing the same old songs. So I did like five new records. By the way, we're not tired of this song.

1:01:12Thank you. I still do them. I still do them. I did like five new records, three or four. Yeah, four or five new records. And I put them in the show just for that. And this one kind of popped off. And so we released it a couple months ago or something.

1:01:29Will Arnett:And what about videos? People still make videos, right? They do. They do. But it's not the same. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really even feel like I need to sometimes.

1:01:40Sean Hayes:Do you have to pay for them? I do. I do. Yeah, because it's different. Like when I started, they'd spend millions of dollars on videos, like a million dollars, two million dollars for big budget videos. You know, Michael Jackson used to do like$7 million videos. Right, I remember that. But now because of streaming and how the record business has changed since I started, it's like a whole different world. You have to shoot them on your iPhone yourself,$100 ,000. bucks. Sometimes they give you 75. It's really a different thing.

1:02:09Will Arnett:And that's to promote the album that you have a limit. Probably through social media too. Yeah. Right. And it's not even your album. It's the label's album. And the way the music industry runs nowadays, correct me, most of the income for the artist comes from touring as opposed to album sales. Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah. Now, speaking of touring, you've done, you toured forever. You didn't obviously massive, massive shows your whole life. You know I love horrible theater stories. You might not know this, but give me something that happened on a tour that just went horribly wrong that's funny.

1:02:43Well, I don't know if you saw this. Oh, yes, I know what you're going to say. I know what you're going to say. The thing on my neck. Did you see it? No, I thought you were going to say when you fell. No, that happened, but that wasn't on tour. That was on television. Oh, that's right. And it ran on CNN for the next three days while my fucking coccyx was fucking on fire. Right. It was awful. But no, I was going to say this summer on tour, I was... I just wrote three jokes.

1:03:11Will Arnett:Sorry, I'm not doing any of them. There's a coccyx on fire and when you take pills for it and all this stuff. Nevermind. Yes. This summer when I was on tour, I don't remember where I was. Oh God, which actual date it was. But I was there and I was... I might have been in Spain because I was singing a Spanish song. And it was like the slow moment in the show, you know. Usually I'm dancing around and doing the choreography in like a fucking bikini and a G-string. Whipping my hair around and it's a good time.

1:03:49And so I'm standing there fully dressed and I have this thing on. It's like outfit on. And I'm singing and it's really quiet. It's just a spotlight on me. And I don't know, like all during the show, I was seeing like little bugs and things around. But, you know, we're outside. Oh, yes, I did see this. They're attracted to the light. Yeah. And so everything is dark except for me. And I'm singing. And as I'm singing, the audience starts screaming. And usually they do react in this moment because I stop. And it's a slow song. And they usually clap and whatever before I do the little last line. I do like a dramatic pause.

1:04:29But this time they're like clapping a lot and screaming. And I was like, what's happening? And I'm just there. And this huge bug is just crawling up my neck. And I feel it. And I thought it was hitting me and going away and hitting me and going away. But when you see the thing, it's just, it starts like down here and it just goes. And it lands up right here. And I just feel it a little bit. But I just stayed really still. And I finished the song, the last line. And then I just go. And it flies into the light like that. And I saw it and I was like, what the fuck was that? It was like a fucking helicopter.

1:05:10It looked like a helicopter. It was crazy. I love that. But that was crazy. But it was kind of horrible. Like if I would have known it was that, I probably would have been screaming and yelling. Okay, three final little things. What's the most Bronx thing about you that's never left, no matter where life is taking you? I can't stop cursing. I try. Okay, great. I love that. I have potty mouth. It's terrible. I love it. And then, by the way, I'm telling you, you know this, Jen, already, but I'm saying to Jason and Will, did you guys know that Google Images is because of Jennifer Lopez? What do you mean?

1:05:42That Google didn't have Google Images until that green Versace dress. And then everybody Googled it. So then Google's like, we don't have anywhere for people to see images. A search engine. A search engine. So they invented Google Images because of Jennifer Lopez. Yeah. Isn't that wild? And then Sergei has, you know, he's been asked that after that. And he's like, yes, that is absolutely true. Jennifer, when she walked the red carpet in that dress, everybody wanted to have a picture of it. And we didn't have any Google search pics, anything. So we invented it.

1:06:12Sean Hayes:Sue them. Sue them. They're so rich. I was like, don't I deserve some money for that? Yeah, for sure. For sure. We got some good lawyers. Okay. And then we got to plug this because I can't wait to see it. Office Romance comes out June 5th on Netflix. It does. Yes, you, Brett Goldstein. He wrote it with you in mind, right? Yes, he did. Super funny Brad Goldstein. He's funny, but I love his brand, his brand of like writing where it's like really kind of hard jokes, but with this wholesomeness at the end of the day. It's just, it's really, I think you guys will like this one. Okay, good. I can't wait to see it.

1:06:45It's made for guys and girls, not just the romantic comedy for like girls. And then this is really cool. Edward James Olmos, who was your dad in Selena, is your dad in this movie. He is. And I got to tell you, when we filmed with him and he walks in on this like board meeting, it's the first time you see him. And when he walks in, like all the cast and all the extras that were in the board meeting were like, you know, kind of like he has such a commanding presence. But even more than that, when we screened it for the first time and he walks in and his first line is hot damn, like that really deep voice.

1:07:22And people just started clapping in the theater. And I think part because he was my dad in Selena, of course, but also because it's just like, it's Edward James Olmos, you know? And it was great. It was great to get to work with him again. He's amazing. And speaking of musicals, I love Kiss of the Spider-Woman. I can't believe it was your first movie musical ever. You need to do more. I know. And second of all, I read somewhere you're going to do Bye Bye Birdie, but that was a while ago. That was a while ago. That was a while ago. Do you remember when they were doing like these musicals on TV?

1:07:53Oh, yeah. Yeah. Carrie Underwood did one. NBC.

1:07:55Sean Hayes:Are you asking if Sean remembers? I did Hairspray Live with Ariana Grande. That's right. That's right. So when they did those, they were talking about doing Bye Bye Birdie, but then it kind of went away. Well, make it happen again. I don't know. We'll see. You'd be great, Rosie. You'd be a great Rosie. I would be a great Rosie. Trust me, I practiced all the songs. Well, they could change it to Everything is J-Lo. Yeah, they could. They could. All right. Well, honey, Thank you so much for being here. You guys are great. Thank you so much. It was very cool of you to do this, Jennifer.

1:08:28Will Arnett:Thank you so much. No, not at all. Ever since you did it that one day and I walked into the podcast, I was like, I've got to do that one day. It looks like so much fun. That's right. That's right. I'm sure you're off to go do something. What are you doing in New York? I was doing the upfronts. Right now I'm editing. I'm working on an edit for the, I just did a residency in Vegas and I did a new show, a brand new show, the J-Lo show, which you would love because what I did was combine my hits with musical theater inspirations of mine I know it sounds like it wouldn't work but it worked amazing wait but it's a residency where you just so we filmed it for Paramount Plus and for CBS and so I'm editing we're editing that now we're putting it together I can't wait to see that yeah we filmed it I can't wait to see that yeah that's gonna be good very cool busy as ever busy as ever keep going It's a singing, dancing show, girl.

1:09:23Will Arnett:It's really so impressive, Jennifer. Yeah, it really is. Keep going. Thank you. It's amazing. You guys are so kind. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. We'll see you soon. I'll see you soon. Bye, bye, bye. Bye. Bye, honey.

1:09:39That's a big star.

1:09:40Sean Hayes:Sean, that is a massive, talented star. Come on. I mean, when I was reading about her, it's just, you go, oh, yeah.

1:09:48Will Arnett:Oh, wait, yeah. Oh, wait. She's not a star.

1:09:51Sean Hayes:that's a that's a that's a mega star that's a mega that documentary is pretty stunning i mean

1:09:55Will Arnett:it takes you all the way through it everything that she's done who can do who does all everything yeah yeah but it's also so incredibly well earned it's not it's not because actually works you know there's some sort of celebrity manipulation or something she's she's like no she does everything and does it at such a high level and people are you know paying for it and they're they're

1:10:18Sean Hayes:supporting it and they're like she's just and and she has this sort of as i was saying like this sort of this coolness and this calmness and this and this like knows who she is clearly right and it's like so comfortable and again i was kind of getting at that thing of like we all think that we know right and who people are i remember i remember watching remember that tiger woods documentary came out a few years ago well and it started and i remember turning it off because i was thinking like i don't think he wants me to know all this stuff do you know what i mean oh right yeah yeah i just turned it off woods wants you to know all that stuff but just anything about people when any people just talking shit like we don't know anything oh i thought he was in it i thought you're saying no no no until we hear from them what their experience is right and she does

1:11:03Will Arnett:seem so um purposefully aware of her of her beginnings of her roots and is constantly staying in touch with the people that she surrounds herself with. And so that's probably what she's on it.

1:11:18Sean Hayes:Shawnee, I mean, that was a great get. Great get.

1:11:22Will Arnett:And there's no way you would be lazy to work in the Bye Bye Birdie thing at the end there of your questioning. He hadn't even thought about it until you mentioned that. Plus, I think you've used Bye Bye Birdie before. Many times. We'll just wait. We'll wait for something a little bit better. if you need a Google search or something.

1:11:42Sean Hayes:Yeah, if there's something that needs to come up, you know what I mean, that you hadn't thought of. Well, the By Bad Birdie thing is real because she was going to do it. No, we know it's real, but maybe if there was something that was...

1:11:51Will Arnett:You can't set yourself up like that.

1:11:53Sean Hayes:No, yeah, you know what I mean? There's got to be something typing and just trying to think. Well, you guys know from her album, This Is Me. Sure, yeah, of course, yeah. Oh, it's my favorite. You mean her 2002 record, This Is Me? Yeah, yeah. This is me then And you guys know This is me now Yeah this is me now

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