"John McEnroe"

25:25as opposed to facing up to it, and that hurt me. And I felt like I was a lesser player from that point forward. I had more of a fear of failure sort of gotten away a little bit too much. You always have to battle that as well. Did you end up getting on top of that? Or is that still something that, like, do you take that onto the golf course? Do you take that into, you know, experimenting with music? Like, have you gotten on top of it and factor in losing as an acceptable result? I go by the belief now that it's better to try and fail than not try at all. Yeah. Early on when I was doing commentary, I stopped playing, boy, it was like 30 years ago, the main tour.

26:11I played a champion seniors tour for 25 more years. But at that time, I started to get some positive feedback about my commentary. and at a certain stage, people would come up to me, you're a better commentator than you are. We're a player. And I'm like, bullshit, okay? That's fucking bullshit. It would really make me angry for quite a long time, for years. And then I thought to myself, I took a step back once and I said, wait a minute. They think I'm a better commentator than I was a player. They never saw you play. Well, that would be one possibility. Or else, hey, maybe I am a pretty damn good commentator, and I should take that as a compliment.

26:56You should. And I have, but it took a long time, I guess would be the long answer to your question, was that it took a lot of experiences that you referred to. The love of music as a hobby, getting a second chance with a second marriage that worked out far better than the first. trying to be the proper role model as best as possible for my kids as often as possible. I got six kids between my two marriages appreciating life that I've been pretty damn lucky. That's what I try to give back at my academy. And even when I do with commentary working around the players that, you know, I'll do next week when I go to Labor Cup, which is our version of the Ryder Cup, and try to just be around the guys.

27:42And if I can help them that little bit, 5%, 10%, that can make the difference, hopefully. So I've got a much better attitude than I did, although I think that some of the things that I used to hide my fear of failure, which was showing anger instead of like sitting there, start crying. You know, I don't think we were brought up to be let's cry on the tennis court. So a lot of that time that was manifested and sort of turning into anger. or God forbid, I thought I had a decent sense of humor. And I would think of something funny like that was going on in the court. But I felt like when I grew up, it was like, you got to keep intense.

28:22You can't, you'll lose your edge if you do anything. Now you see guys that are out there like Federer. I was like, how the hell does this guy look like he's so happy to be out there? Yeah. Or, you know, Alcaraz, the guy's smiling. I'm going to, just you wait. Just give it a couple of years. You'll be miserable like the rest of us. But I watched you. I think we talked about this once. I feel like, John, I wish that you would commentate on other sports because I know you're a big sports fan. And I'm like, I wish you would go on and commentate on football and basketball and hockey. I know, you know, that would be fucking, you should, have you ever thought about that?

28:57Didn't you say once you were going to, or you did do it for basketball? It's like a simulcast like Peyton and Eli do. I did Peyton and Eli just this past Monday. Yeah. Yeah, they don't count. Peyton and Eli don't count. Oh, they're pretty damn good. No, I'm kidding. I love those guys. No, no. But I actually, last year when I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, this is absolutely perfect for me and my brother to do on the tennis. Unleash us. Let us do it. Oh, it's already been done. What? Okay, so what? Yeah. Proof of concept. And as far as answering your question, yes, I was a few years back, I was going to do a Knicks game.

29:38Unfortunately, my dad passed away, like literally right around that time. So it wasn't able to happen. There was a time, I don't know if you remember this, it was probably 15 years ago, Dennis Miller ended up getting the job. But they said Monday Night Football, they want someone who's not a football player. Oh, right. And they want to maybe bring in three or four guys for three or four games each. And I go, oh my God, that's absolutely perfect. This would be unbelievable because I love sports, like you said. And I don't, I'm no football expert, but I know enough about it to sort of at least give my two cents like a fan.

30:15Yeah. And then I called my agent and he was like, ah, they, you know, they went with Dennis Miller. I go, what did they say when you mentioned my name? I didn't mention it. I didn't think you'd get it. I'm like, what? You got a deal on him, huh? So he was done. So even though he helped me initially with the TV deals, I'm like, what are you doing? But I'm not saying I would have gotten it anyway. But now, of course, you feel like in a certain way, I don't want to be like walk in and be like, yeah, here I am. I can do, you know, football and, you know, some football player who, you know, wants a job and needs it.

30:52You know, I feel a little weird about that. So maybe the talk show format when I was going to do radio. I loved your talk show, by the way. You should do that again. Thank you for both. You both came on it. It was 19 years ago. Unbelievable. Oh, my God. Unreal that it was that long ago. That was right when CNBC got started, right? Wasn't CNBC? Yeah, they wanted to do, as a matter of fact, I followed Dennis Miller, and they were trying to get, you know, usually people turn off CNBC at 4 o 'clock, right? Tom Snyder and Charles Gross. Tom the Stops do. Yeah. Sean, you should know, when John did his program, our mutual, all four of us know, Meredith.

31:30Walker? Yeah. Meredith Walker, yeah. Who worked for John, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. I love Meredith. And that's how we ended up doing it. And I still got, I think, I still got the racket. You gave everybody who was a guest a signed racket. Dunlop racket, I got it. Just you guys. Just us. Oh, shit, just us. Not me. I'll check the mail again. I'm fascinated by, John, you know, these guys know, I'm fascinated by medicine and medical things. And whenever an athlete comes out, I always ask what's the worst injury because I'm, you know, the repetitiveness of, like Jason was talking about earlier, about just the repetitiveness nature of, especially tennis, of the constant back and forth.

32:10What was your worst injury and what did you do to take care of it? Because it is like theater. I know these guys joke, but it is every single day doing the same movements over and over again takes a toll on your body. So how did you play for so many years? What was your regimen like if you got hurt? Well, first of all, I'm going to knock on wood because I'm pretty lucky I've never had a surgery. Wow. Amazing. So that already is lucky. When you hear these horror stories of the football players, I remember they asked Joe Montana recently, who's the greatest quarterback ever? He said, Dan Marino.

32:44And they go, you don't mean like Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes? And how would it be different for you? And he was like, because they protect the quarterback more. 27 surgeries later, he's had. 27. Wow. John Elway's had 27 to 30 surgeries. So these poor souls take way more of a beating. The worst injury I ever had, I tore my hamstring. and this was in the senior's tour, not the main tour, and you have chronic shoulder problems. I've torn my meniscus twice the last five years without... I didn't do surgery, and I recovered. But I was fortunate. I was taught in a way that it didn't put a lot of strain on my body.

33:19You look at Nadal, the way he swings at everything. It's like the home run swing. So I think you're more likely to get hurt. He did get injured, right, for a period there? Wasn't he quite... He's been injured a handful of times, but, you know, he's got a great team around him that keeps him going. I don't know how he still does it at his age, but he's had numerous injuries. Boris Becker's had 12 surgeries. A lot of guys have a lot of surgeries, and it's cost them. Hips is the worst part. I think the hip is the thing I've struggled with the most, and it's all connected, obviously. So, you know, I had a, you know, mainly when I was younger and most successful was pretty much tennis.

33:59You know, you do running, sprinting, that type of stuff. Not a lot of weight work. I played doubles, which no one does anymore. And as I started doing weights, I actually didn't help me in off-court training. I just enjoyed to, like, work out, to generally try to keep, you know, reasonably fit. So that's, you know, I've been pretty fortunate all in all compared to most people. You've got to be the only, like, uber champion of any sport that has never had a surgery. Yeah, that's got a new record by itself. That's unbelievable to me. You and Cal Ripken. No, I bet you Cal Ripken's been cut. I've had like 17 myself.

34:34The only person ever that reached number one in the world who has the same size arm, left arm, as right arm. You know, I used to try to copy Rod Laver because his arm was like Popeye. And I was like, I would squeeze balls like hours and hours a day when I was a kid and, you know, do any type of, anything I could do to, well, I'm not even going where you're going. Will's got jokes. No, I'm just saying it's nice that Sean can finally relate. Yeah, Sean. I'm just saying. Squeeze balls and I just perk up. But most athletes, anyone, especially if you're doing something with one arm, you know, 95 % of the time or more, I had a one-handed backhand.

35:18I could not figure out why nothing changed. So it's bizarre, but... Yeah, that's wild. But the body was pretty resilient all in all. I never, I played tennis off and on, and I don't really play that much anymore, but I used to and I used to love playing some for various stages and I always prided myself because you would talk about I always pride myself on having one-handed backhand uh because I grew up in an era when everybody wanted to have like in the 80s everybody was trying to get that you know two-handed backhand and prince rackets and all that kind of shit and I was like no I want to play a more graceful game and um anyway I just want to say I think you'd really improve my back Go ahead, Jason.

35:55The bad news is that if I had a young kid now and said, should you do one or two, I would tell them two. Of course. It's more. Well, you can, and the way they hit off the back foot more, and obviously you can take balls up higher, especially when you're younger, but even as you're older, because there's so much spin that it makes more sense to use the two hands. It's actually better for you physically because you're using both sides of the body more. It just doesn't look as cool. And the other thing is, one hand, backhand, it looks so graceful. But I will say, it's funny, if all the sort of, you know, years of playing and taking tennis lessons when I was a kid and whatever, then when you watch these guys, the way they play now, I'm like, what game are they playing?

36:38Because the way they hit their body, where they're at with relation to the ball, their grip now, all that stuff was so different. Absolutely. I mean, I played with one grip. Now these guys, you know, have huge changes on their back and their forehand grip. They seem to do it effortlessly. And it's like learning a language. You know, if you learn a language, it's a lot easier when you're young. They're moving the racket as they play. And what did I see during the U.S. Open? One of the players actually took his racket, walked it up to his coach, handed it to him, and asked him to restring it while he continued playing with a different racket.

37:13Well, they bring six or eight rackets on the court, and they're always complaining, like, the coach's fucked up. You know, it's their fault. You know, you got to blame someone other than yourself. So you give it to them. You told me it should be 52. I'll get that fucking thing and put it at 48. But did you ever hand a racket to a coach and ask him to restring it during one of your matches? No. Well, first of all, I didn't travel with the coach back when I played. But second of all, I brought like six rackets in a bag. But I'd have like four different tensions to sort of, you know, have available in case it was, you know, humid.

37:47in case the ball was flying, heavy, whatever. These seem to bring all the same tension, which I don't quite understand. And the stringers are like millionaires now. We didn't restring rackets every five seconds. These guys string rackets. I remember Sampras, he bring out six rackets to a practice session. He used one of them for like an hour. And then he'd go, all right, Mac, I'm done. And I'd go, okay. And then he'd give the stringer, restring all six. I'd go, why are you restringing all six? You didn't even use five of them. Why do you think most sports are more tolerant of players having outbursts than tennis is?

38:27I feel like you kind of got the short string on that to go back to strings. You know, obviously things are a bit, it's more accepted now. But like at the time, people were looking at you like, oh, my God, what is he doing complaining about that call? It's so not okay. Now, other sports, it's fine. Why is that? Well, first of all, if you put a microphone in the middle of the field in a football game, something tells me they're not saying, hello, how are you? And basketball, you know, they control it. In baseball, we used to love when the manager would go up to the umpire, kick dirt in his pants.

39:05That was incredible. Then I'd go out there and I'd go, you missed a call. And I'm like, you know, Tiller the Hunt all of a sudden. Yeah, yeah. And we will be right back. and now back to the show how do you like that new thing now where am i wrong or there are there are no more umpires um calling lines uh it's now computer yet they put in a speaker of somebody like a audio somebody saying out or whatever right isn't it it's new it's automated now isn't it i don't mean to be a cynic but i'd like to know how accurate it was but you know having said that um It is, actually. If you knew that you would have a chance to sort of double-check a call, you know, I went to Wimbledon the first year I played there, and I'm playing a match, and I look over, and the guy's sleeping, you know, one of the linesmen, and I'm like, he's probably seeing the ball better now that he's asleep because they can't see a damn thing.

40:06I always dreamed about being one of those guys. Did you? Yeah, as a kid, I'd watch tennis, and I'd watch you, and I'd be like, I want to be the kid who runs across and catches. Oh, the ball boy. Yeah, that's a cool. It's actually a tough gig to get, apparently. I ball boyed. I ball boyed for a handful of years at the U.S. Open, so you get close to it. It's awesome. At Forest Hills? At Forest Hills? At Forest Hills. The old Forest Hills. And by the way, to answer your question, the electronic equipment, I would have been, you see, my hair might have been closer to your color, Jason, or Will, and I would have won more, but maybe I wouldn't have been on your amazing podcast.

40:42That's true. No, you still would be. So I got to look at the bright side. Your game was better than your outbursts. I would have been more boring. No, your game was better than your outbursts. Did you ever look back on some of those old freakouts that you had, outbursts over a call, and it turned out you were right? Were you right like 100 % of the time? That's what I tell myself. Something tells me it might not have been quite 100%, but there was that call, you know, the ball was in. And, you know, chalk flew up. I did that one. And 30 years later, we literally did it last year. I played the, or it was two years ago, because it was 81 that it happened.

41:21The guy that I was playing against came on ESPN and said, John was right. The ball did hit the line. Chalk did fly up. And I just was like, yes. It took 30 years before, but the vindication, finally. Not that I'm, you know, worse than Jack the Ripper. So in Wimbledon, you can challenge a call because there's still people calling the lines. But the U.S. Open, it's automated, right? That's correct. It's going to be all automated within a few years. I think baseball's doing the same thing. Are they? Well, maybe they should, because if you play baseball, just think about this, and, you know, the umpire calls a ball that's clearly outside the plate.

41:59Why is that a strike? I don't give a damn who you are. It's the plate. Yeah, exactly. But meanwhile, they're like, well, that's the umpire. He's, you know, he's giving the pitcher a little extra, you know, a couple extra inches. why would be my question. Yeah, it should be without opinion or nuance. Let me say this, and this might be controversial. I've felt, and I'm serious, I've felt like with all the instant replay and shit, especially when you have VAR and soccer, which, you know, every goal they look at, I feel like it's taken a little bit of, it's just, it's not opinion, it's just nuance, and the human error should be part of kind of everything.

42:41I liked it. It made a story when they get the wrong call. That's drama. If you're on the wrong side of it, why is that a part of the game? Why shouldn't that stuff be taken out and what is left is just pure execution by the athletes? I think that what you're saying about the human element, there's some truth to that, but as an ex-athlete, if you know that the call could be corrected properly, I get that. And that could be the difference between winning Wimbledon and losing. I get that. I mean, that would be hard to argue if you're an athlete at any point to say that you should have that. I totally get that.

43:16And obviously, I'm not an athlete. And so I can see, yeah, the injustice of it. So, Jason, in baseball, they would just get rid of the umpire then? No, the umpire would still be there to make calls at plays on the plate. I'm not positive about this. And to sweep the plate. Yeah, yeah. That's very important. Sweep the plate. John, let me ask you something about, and we've asked other folks that are incredible champions that are no longer playing their sport, where they scratch that old itch of competition and challenging yourself and seeing what you got week in and week out. Was that something that was an easy adjustment for you?

44:01Is it a current adjustment for you? Or where do you sit with all that? Yeah, actually, it's a constant thing, you know, and I've tried to sort of taper off slowly. What happens if no one wanted me to play tennis anymore? You know, I've been asked this a lot. Do you love tennis? And my answer to it is, I don't know if I love it because I've never played it where I played it for nothing. I'm still asked, believe it or not. And I hope that it never gets to that point, by the way, that I have to play for nothing. But if I do, you just have a better idea how much you still want to be part of it. But I've learned over time that you're always going to be, I'll speak for myself, very competitive.

44:49But I'm not as competitive as I was when I was playing. It's not the end-all, be-all. as much as I like to beat you that second 18 in Augusta when you came on and shot an 80 or 81 or whatever it was and I was flailing and hitting balls in the water. You know, I'm like, try to get a little perspective here, John. Life's pretty good. You know, Will couldn't make it because his buddy passed away, you know, and saying all things considered, how lucky are we, you know, that type of thing. And, you know, again, I know you guys have kids. I got six. If I'm sitting there telling my kids, you know, I should have won the French.

45:27I should have done this. Why didn't I do that? You know, and then I still want to beat their ass on the basketball or tennis court. I mean, I think that would be sort of like the wrong message to be sending to my kids or the kids at my academy. Are your kids in sports? It depends how loosely you define sports. They did play high school basketball and high school tennis. And one of my boys played college for a year. Nice. But you need that, like, fire in the belly if you really wanted to do it, you know, in a serious way. And I don't know. I think I love my kids. And, you know, thankfully, knock on wood, they're doing well, all of them right now.

46:02But they had a little bit, and this is my fault, what you call affluenza. Yeah, sure. You know, maybe, you know, that hunger that maybe you need to succeed at, you know, a professional level. Sean's got that hunger, that fire in the belly. But it's for a foot long. foot long sub but um i but you know they they you're but uh john your your kids like everyone else on the planet um always is probably looking for something that they fit with and can excel in or at least um uh put themselves in a situation to see what they've got um and it sounds like while it was pretty clear what you had with tennis, you know, the father clock or father time doesn't stop.

46:50Sorry. And, you know, you, everybody ages out of everything. It sounds like you have found the other things that, that, that you can see what have I got. You become like the best announcer ever in tennis and will probably be equally good in any other sport. Your philanthropy, your, your, your, your parenting, your music, stuff like that. It sounds like you are, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you are sated, right? I mean, you're, you're not, you're not, you're not hungry for arenas to see what you've got. No, no. I feel like I'm in a, you know, I've worked at this for 40 years, you know, literally, you know, and I feel like I found that sweet spot and been able to appreciate more the things that I enjoy doing and want to do them as often as possible and to enjoy, you know, one of of the reasons why I love commentary work still is I only were doing the majors.

47:42You know, I didn't want to go on tour and do it all the time. So I get to, you know, super pumped up for the eight weeks of the majors, do some stuff here and there, maybe 10 weeks. And I was still playing because, you know, there's never, never anything that will duplicate being on the center court at Wimbledon, but, you know, still going out and competing. I played the seniors tour. They have it in golf, obviously. It's harder in other sports, but I did that for 25 years. I made it close to 60. so I'm sitting there going man you're pretty you know you got to look at the bright side on this one so whatever comes your way if some someone at some point it's like who's that guy you know I didn't think I'd get the gig as a narrator of a show never have I ever where I'm like the psychologist for uh you know a high school Indian American girl trying to figure out a way in her school right I didn't see that one coming and part of the reason I'm going to throw this in I was asked to be the commencement speaker at Stanford this year which I was turned out I was the first athlete in 120 years that did it wow and I was the Stanford dropout so that was you know and the Stanford class presidents talked to me they were like one of the big reasons why we picked you because you were a narrator on Never Have I Ever and I'm like what?

48:56you gotta be kidding me so you never know so who would have thought so thank you Mindy Kane Yeah, no, no, no. But that's, look, we, I understand that. We never thought that we'd be doing this thing, this podcast, before three years ago. And it was just like on a lark. And now this is like a big part of our lives and it's fucking crazy. It's crazy. John, two things I want to know. First of all, right off the top of my head, where you stand currently on it. I don't think you're still endorsed, but I mean, you had some of the greatest Sergio Takini track suits, warmups of all time. And where you stand on the Sergio Takinis, Did you have any of those great, beautiful zip-ups left?

49:35I mean, they're incredible. Yeah, Sergio, Takini, back in the day, Fila, Alessi were the best. You know, quality, made in Italy. Beautiful clothes. I got some nice Alessis. By the way, I'm the longest serving. I'm still, believe it or not, Phil Knight still has me under contract with Nike. I've been signed with them since May of 1978, so I'm 45 years. Wow. When is the next McEnroe tennis shoe coming out? It came out. I just did a little spot. It's on the internet. Check it out. Me and Travis Scott. Oh, God. Because he loves that. My old sneaker was called the Mack Attack. Yeah. So it's being reintroduced.

50:15Go ahead, Will. John, you used to have, your first one was the McEnroe All Court, right? It was like the Wimbledon, you know, it was the original, sort of like this version of Stan Smith, what he did with Adidas. And then I went to sort of like the three quarters, which was actually like a racquetball, which is now everyone pretty much uses. And then the Mac attack. So it was nice that they reintroduced that. And Travis Scott apparently takes a sneaker like that and does, you know, puts a little of his own touch on it or does something a little differently. And unbelievably, you know, more people are asking me about that than almost anything else.

50:50So it's crazy. They want to do another one with me and Travis Scott. I'm like, does he know who I am? I think he knows the way. But you do a golf shoe. You should do a golf shoe with him, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, but I'm open for suggestions. John, let's do the Smartless. Can we do the Smartless McEnroe golf shoe? Can we do this? There we go. A little collab. Let's do that. Before we let you go, what's the thing that people would be most surprised that you do? We know about tennis. We know about music. We know about golf. Is there a hobby that you just can't live without or a little pastime, even if it's just watching TV or maybe even reading?

51:30Will likes to read about World War II. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of people don't. I'm pretty much an open book, more or less. What you see is what you get. I do have a passion. Thankfully, I love music. It keeps me humble in a way because I've obviously been around so many great rock guys and seen so many shows and are just like, who are you? My marriage is an incredible thing. I was just going to say, your marriage is a patty. And so that's, you know, she said to me way back when, I said, because she was disillusioned, she had sold a couple million records, but wasn't, you know, felt like she was treated fairly enough as a woman, and she was disillusioned.

52:07So I'm coming in, and I'm like, hey, why don't we have a band together? I'll join your band. I've got a lot of energy. And she goes, yeah, we should play mixed doubles at Wimbledon also. and I go I go you don't play tennis and she goes exactly so that was 28 or 9 years ago so my you know it's kept me my perspective I still love it I try to be less I guess one thing that would be different is that I try to be less competitive you know because you look at me and the way I played and obviously the people saw that I was pretty competitive so they're always you know if God God forbid I don't scream or fall over on the golf course, they're, like, upset at me now.

52:49You guys say, like, we're not going to invite you to Bel-Air unless you fall over at least once you scream at Skip Bronson. We only mention Skip every fourth episode. Do you know, John, I will say this. This is not a question, it's a compliment. Of all the times I've met you over the last 20 years, you're so consistently yourself. And I think that, and it really shows. And like you said, what you see is what you get. It's true. You are very, you're an authentic guy. And you really are you. Whether you're talking to the biggest rock star or you're talking to the guy who's bringing you your car, you're the exact same dude.

53:28And I think it speaks a lot to your character. So, you know, it's admirable. It never seems insincere. Like you're not doing a thing. You enjoy being you and that's infectious. I do. And I want to thank my wife, Patty Smythe, because the greatest thing you can have in a relationship it's been 29 years now, is to let the person be the person you want to be. And she's allowed me to do that. So love you, baby. Thank you, Will. I appreciate it. Hey, what band are you loving listening to right now? I'm more of like the grunge guy. I'm looking for new stuff. Wait, grunge. So you're into Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.

54:05Those guys. I'm going to go see the Foo Fighters. Yeah, sure. All that stuff. So good. You know, I love Kings and Leon too. but there doesn't seem to be like the new rock stars are the rap guys. Yeah, or it's all electric or something, yeah. Rock is sort of a little like tennis, you know. I mean, we got to get our act together. Yeah, yeah, all right. Well, John, thank you for spending some time with us, buddy. Please come back to Los Angeles soon so we can go play some golf. Love to, man. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it and awesome. Thank you, buddy. Thank you very much. All right, can't wait to see you again.

54:40All right, John, thanks. Thanks, John. You got it, guys. Bye, buddy. Take care. All right. Bye. Yeah, I really mean that about him. He is, you know, I find myself saying this to my daughters as often as they'll bear me saying it. That's daddy's. Oh, sorry. Is there's just, there's just, there's just one of all of us, you know? so why would you waste any time trying to be someone else? I mean, I'm biting that from someone else famously said that, I'm sure. But he's so clearly himself. He's unique. He's singular. And he enjoys that, makes no apologies for it. And it is encouraging. It's infectious.

55:29He's the same when you, if you're having someone to eat with him. Or remember, we played with him at Riv. We played in the pro-am. if he's teeing off in front of 100 people, if he's walking to the thing, if you're grabbing, he's the same. He's consistently... He's like he talked the same way in the supermarket and the checkout line. He's just him. And when he's in the booth too, right? When you listen to him on the broadcast. I wanted to tell him I played tennis when I was a kid a lot. I took tennis lessons. Oh, he would have loved to hear that. Jesus. Are you back? You're snacking again. I love when you save some of your best...

56:06The elements were after the guest is gone. What else would you have put him to bed with?

56:14Hey, hey. No, wait, so wait. Yeah, yeah. So my brother used to ride me on his 10-speed bike to tennis practice. I used to sit in the bar in the middle of the bike. Sure. Like side saddle, and he would ride his bike all the way across town. And then on the way home, he crashed, and I blacked out, and I got a super fat lip, and the ambulance had a came, and I was sitting on my neighbor's porch. Ambulance had a came was the sentence. Go ahead. Ambulance had a came. The ambulance had a came. Ambulance had a come. It's just peanut butter gets stuck in your teeth. Was that the pickup truck? This sounds like the lyrics for Stone Me by Van Morrison.

56:58I thought he was just trying to back into a bye here, but no. No, there's no vibe. Sean, what are you eating? Tell us what you're eating. I just put a grape in my mouth. Okay. A grape. Is it green or red? Hey, guys, let me ask you this. Do you think that... Oh, it's red. Do you think that... I want to know where you guys stand on, because it happened and then we kind of let it go, where you guys land on Father Clock. Father Clock. That was a low point for me. That was real. You know, the brain just doesn't fire like it used to. I never forget. Father Clock is the name of my high school band. We're going to make Smartless Father Clock sweatshirts.

57:43Yeah. And then Father Clock, you know, when you watch the Father Clock, you just watch time go, Bye! Very nice. Smart. Nice.

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