"Mark Hamill"

25:33I mean, you want it to be a successful movie, but when you see people then role-playing. Yeah, especially 50 years later, right? I mean, it's like, hey, like a grown man. Go ahead, next question, Scotty. Listen, I'm here to give Sean a break from the harassment. It's now for me. Well, listen, I have to tell you, it's a double-edged sword because what will happen is, and this has been happening for 20, 30 years, the kids that were little when it came out are now parents of their own and you'll be in an airport or something. And, you know, a five - or six-year-old, they think we made Star Wars two weeks ago.

26:11I mean, there's nothing to really date it in terms of models of cars or clothing or whatever. So they have no concept of time. And so the parents will gesture to a 55-year-old me and go, hey kids look who it is it's Luke Skywalker and they look at this look at me in horror like God what happened to this guy he really let himself go great makeup artist in the movie yeah exactly so so wait so Scotty do you have another question before you take off oh Jesus Christ no I didn't realize I'd be no you can hang out I didn't know if you wanted to no no no no I would love to oh hang on hang on hang on hang on hang on one second let me just say Scotty Scotty I don't think that Sean meant that.

26:53I think that what he meant to say, like he didn't know if you had more. Sean, I got this. And then Sean, look at Scotty and tell him what you meant to say. What I meant to say was I didn't know if you had to go somewhere and I didn't want to keep you on the podcast. Where the fuck does he have to go? Be honest. I mean, what are you talking about? This is great. Now, Scott, how are you feeling? No, no, look at Sean and you tell him how you're feeling. Oh, I'm feeling wonderful and thank you for the opportunity. This is great. It's a pleasure to be here. All our hours up. I'm glad that Mark could be here for the two of the biggest Star Wars fans in the world.

27:29Mark, you could see them work out. In couples therapy. In couples therapy. We owe everything to the fans. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't be anywhere. Right, right, right. Wait, Scott, you have to have one last Burning Desire question. Yeah, something. What about Norway with the Empire Strikes Back and the snow? Remember we were talking about that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, wasn't there, I could have this wrong, but wasn't there a thing where you guys were, you know, where you were in Norway, it was just absolutely treacherous with all the snow. And I think you guys were scheduled to go shoot somewhere or whatever it was, but it was so bad.

28:08Then you just went out the back door and did stuff. Exactly. Here's what happened. They, you know, our luck was terrible. We had rainstorms in Tunisia that caused us, we had to shut down. Then we go to Norway. It was like the coldest winter in, I don't know, 11 billion years, whatever it was. And they had found a glacier, which was about an hour and a half from where we were staying. And we would take, we were meant to go on snow buggies because it photographed on camera, it photographed blue. And I remember now, this is the days before a lot of CGI, everything was practical in those days. So the day arrives for us to go to this blue glacier, and they said, it's impossible.

28:53I mean, even if we go there, it'll be whited out from the blizzard. So like you say, it was Han Solo rescuing Luke in the snow after getting hit by the wampa. And if you turn the camera around, there's people on the balcony sipping cocoa watching us. Oh, wow. We're about 100 yards from the back of the hotel. That's crazy. This is where you cut the belly open on the thing and you got inside? No way! That is crazy. They were all enjoying it, but it's funny now because, you know, in those days there wasn't so much security. In other words, when I read Star Wars, it just blew my mind and I said, oh, my God, I've got to get my friend Jonathan to read this.

29:34So my best friend Jonathan worked down at the L.A. Art Museum and I passed it to him and he read it. He said, yeah, I don't know how they're going to do this and what it is really. He goes, can I give it to Meredith? I said, yeah, sure. So we passed it all around. All my friends read it. It was before everything was coded with your name on it. Right, right. Where you have to protect it with your life. But it was just a different time. And like I say, I had a blast. I mean, one thing that hit me, I said, you know what I love about this is you can take from it what you want. In other words, it's effortlessly feminist.

30:11The princess is anything but a shrinking violet. She takes over her own rescue. Makes Han and Luke look like a couple of chumps. You call it as a rescue? Give me that gun. And she's standing up to Vader, nose to nose, and, you know, really giving him. Right. And so what I'm saying is that is just accepted, and it's ahead of its time. How long was the shoot? Do you remember that? Yeah, it was like, I think it was scheduled for 10 weeks, and we went 12. Wow, that's fast. But that was, I mean, that was Star Wars on Empire. It was crazy because it was scheduled for three months, four months. Everybody wrapped and went home, and I was still the only human being on the call sheet.

30:54There was a puppet, a robot, various snakes, and lizards, and one human being because they built Dagobah on a soundstage at Elstree. and, you know, I mean, it's amazing that we could get away with that because when I was reading the script, I said, how are they going to do Yoda? Is it going to be, you know, stop frame animation or whatever? I didn't know it was going to be a puppet. But I'm telling you, Frank Oz is such an artist. When he puts that thing on, you're just there. You know, it was so real to me. And he was always breaking down. The eyes would go cockeyed, the ears wouldn't work. So they had like a stand-in, which was just a foam mold of his face, you know, with a piece of blue tape where his eyes are supposed to be.

31:41And so every time you see me in a single talking to him, he's not there. But I can. I can be a Jedi. I'm saying to this foam rubber. Again, Frank, Oz, I mean, he's, I've saw, we're the best of friends. What is it, all these years later? He's just one of my favorite people in the business. and so talented. Oh, it's so amazing. Scotty, before you go, now I'm saying before you go. Before you go, before you go, do you want to do your Yoda impression for Mark? Oh, yes, let's hear it. Oh, boy. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm sure it's never been done. Oh, there you go, there you go. That was great, that was great.

32:21That was great. That was good. That was good. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. Thanks, Scotty. I'll see you. Thank you, Scotty. That happens all the time. I was on CNN and Jim Acosta did a Yoda impression. On air. Yeah. So everybody reverts to their nine-year-old nerd self. Yes, yes, absolutely. Because it's like, unlike anything else, everybody on the planet has seen it and knows what it is. Think about that. Yeah, it's crazy. And I have to tell you, when I read it, I thought, you know, this is, I am so there. I mean, even if I had not gotten the part, I would be dying to see this movie. Right.

33:00That's how I felt about it. Do you remember, you know, I love that story that you talk about on Empire where you, when everybody, you know, if the camera were to turn around, they'd see people sipping cocoa on the deck. Do you look at certain scenes from over the years, from over all the movies and go like, well, I've done this before, but you go like, oh, I remember I was really sick that day. Like you watch a take and you go, oh yeah, that was the day I ate the bad fish. Or that was the first scene we shot, or the last scene we showed. Well, you know, I saw them when they came out, but I don't go back and see them again.

33:29In fact, when they did the reissue with the special editions, when they called me, I said, oh, yeah, if you can send me a copy, I'd like to see it. When my kids heard about it, they said, are you kidding? You're not going to go see it in the theater? I said, why do you guys want to see it? You've seen it a bazillion times on video. They said, but never on a big screen. Oh, wow. So I did. I saw Empire and the first one, Empire and Jedi, once in the theater. But I haven't seen them again since. And the same with the sequels. You see them and then you just move on. Wait, you've seen Star Wars, Empire and Jedi only once in the movie theaters and never again?

34:10No. Yeah, I don't watch them on video, to tell you the truth. and there's a certain disconnect because the fans have seen them not only far more recently but many, many, many, many, many more times than I have. So they'll ask me questions where I go, wait a second, do we go to the British planet? They go, well, it's not in a movie. It's in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. It's a novel by Harry Dean Fox. So they play the games, they read the books, and they know way more about it. I know I've disappointed people. I took a Star Wars quiz once and flunked it. Nathan said, it was multiple choice. What kind of memorial fails it does?

34:50Yeah, I was going to ask you when the last time was that you saw the first one, Star Wars. Well, it would have been 97, because it was the 20th anniversary of when it first came out. But, I mean, the question's like, what was Han Solo smuggling? A, jewelry? B, units? C, it was spices. And who knows that? I mean, the minutia that these people have is really astonishing. And I hate to disappoint people if I go to these. Didn't they have Spice on Dune, too? Yeah, they had Spice on Dune. What's with the spices in space? Well, people like the spicy. It's a real hot commodity in space. You know, get some tarragon up in space and you're living up the best.

35:31You're in the highest of cotton. Yeah, go ahead. What is the craziest fan interaction you've had? Oh, God. Like, do you have, like, besides today with Scotty? Mm-hmm. Well, number one, don't sign body parts. Oh, boy. Sure. No good can come from that. Okay. Noted. For the most part, you know what it's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it all happened and went crazy, we were sort of in the center of the storm. So it seemed like everybody was going nuts around us. We weren't going nuts. Right, right, right. But it was a different time. I mean, you'd have people just proposition you like, really? Yeah, come on back.

36:09Yeah. and we will be right back

36:16and back to the show somebody asked me recently they said if you had a time machine and you could go back to any time to live what would it be and I said late 70s California because it feels like it was like a just like a kind of unregulated just kind of a constant sunset just good time party no rules kind of easy It was great, man. Yeah, it was great, man. Well, you were nine. But, Mark, you, as somebody who was, like, at the pinnacle of the film industry in that time, it must have been a lot of fun. Yeah, it was. But you always try and say, I haven't changed. Everybody else is going bonkers.

36:58But, you know, you want to hang on to that. And plus, I immediately tried to throw myself into things. I wanted to do character parts. I wasn't getting them. You know, these guys, you do one thing well, they want you to do the same thing over and over again. So I went to New York and I was able to do character parts. It wasn't until I discovered animation where I went, oh, where's this been all my life? Because they cast with their ears, not their eyes. And you're able to play all these parts you'd never get on camera. Yeah, you're like such a superstar voiceover actor now. It's incredible. But I'm too short to be the Joker.

37:30You know, he's 6 '2". You know, I'm 5 '9", at best. But wait a minute. This is you as the Joker, which is fucking crazy. It's incredible. Because now there's a teeny little bit of me in you too. That's why aren't you laughing? Wow. Isn't that incredible? That's incredible. That's from Arkham Asylum. And, you know, I had done the role for however long the first iteration came in. There's so many good Jokers after me. Kevin Michael Richardson and Jeff Bennett. No, you're one of the most iconic ones now. It's incredible. What I'm saying is when we got to the video games, because, I mean, I get mail in the original incarnation saying, why doesn't the Joker kill more people?

38:14And you have to say, it's a children's cartoon. Yeah. There's the standards and practices. There was a list of things that you could not do. You could not punch someone directly in the face. You couldn't throw someone through a plate glass window. No nudity, no liquor, no drugs, et cetera. Somebody made a drawing, Bruce Timm made a drawing of Batman flying through a glass window with a gin bottle and a hypodermic needle and a girl, you know, bare-chested. He broke all the rules in one. But by the time we got to the video games, which is, I don't know, I'm bad on time these days, but 10, 15, 20 years later, because Kevin Conroy was always my Batman.

38:57Okay, that's what I was going to ask you, who your Batman was. Yeah, Kevin Conroy. When Kevin passed, I said, this is a time for me not to do it anymore because, you know, I got to the point where my agent would call and they say, they want you for Joker. I'd say, is Kevin doing it? If they said yes, I'd say, then I'm in. I wouldn't even have to read it. But what I couldn't get used to was the video games because they were for 16 and older. And people did die. I mean, there was, I'm looking at it going, can we say this? Much more sophisticated than the early stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I want to ask you a question, Sean.

39:32Yeah. Because one of the things I miss about living in New York, because we had an apartment there for 19 years, is seeing theater. And I would have loved to have seen you play Oscar Levant. Because I could see it. I could see your face morphing into that character. Oh, So Long Oscar was such a good, oh, dude. And when I was a kid, I mean, in the summertime, I could stay up past my bedtime and watch Twilight Zone and Dick Van Dyke and all the shows I loved. And I saw, I used to watch Jack Parr and Steve Allen and Oscar Levant fascinated me as a kid because he was effortlessly witty, but he had all these tics and nervous tics and the smoking and all of it.

40:15And I thought, well, you know, I thought you did. I'm going to do it again in London next summer, but just for a limited time, if you find yourself out that way. I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, keep that in mind. Sean, what a mind blow. if you go and you're doing a play that you wanted Tony for, which again, sorry, just so quick. Yeah, you wanted Tony for, and then you get to go and you do it on the West End of London, and you've just invited Mark Hamill. Mark Hamill, I know. That's crazy. No, it's true, Mark. This is big for him. This is huge. This is huge. It's big for anybody, but it's big. I had a rule with a stage manager.

40:53Don't tell me who's out front, because what happened was I came in and everyone said, you know who's in the audience? Jackie Gleason. And I thought, oh, no, because Harrigan and Hart had been pitched to Gleason and Carney in the 60s, and it didn't happen for whatever reason. But he's really familiar with that era and that music and all of it. So, I mean, it was something I wish I had not known because you want to be totally there. You don't want to be thinking, oh, what did Jackie think of that? Right, right, for sure, for sure. And sometimes, you know, you can't help it because other cast members would be like, did you hear Meryl Streep's in the audience?

41:30Yeah, I mean, it's terrible. So, I mean, they would tell me, when I could come off, they'd hand me a note and I'd see, you know, who was there. But that must have been probably easier for you to do Levant than doing someone as recognizable as Jerry Lewis. And you just killed him. Oh, thanks. You know what? Let me put it this way. My review was, it was Oscar Levant, just as I remembered him. Oh, God. That's what my dad wrote. Okay, so anyway. I can't believe you remember that. Did Will and Jason meet on Arrested Development? Is that where you guys met? Yes, we did. Yeah, we did. By the way, I'm still mad they canceled that.

42:09Everything I like gets canceled. Yeah. And I hold grudges. I'm still mad they canceled Square Pegs, and that was 1982. Oh, my God. Remember that? Yeah, Buffalo Bill. Sarah Jessica Parker never would have done Sex and the City. There you go. Buffalo Bill with Dabney Coleman. Oh, boy, was that good. The Colucci's Department. Mark, I got a question for you. When you said you had done the pilot, you got fired from eight is enough. Is that what happened? Or you got replaced? No, they just, they redid it with, like I say, a different father. Right. Well, we call that fired. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, sure. I was fired.

42:50But what year, like how soon after that did Star Wars happen? Well, I think, yeah, it was probably six months later or something. So what's crazy about it is, the reason I bring it up, and I've talked about this before, is six months before I got the pilot for Arrested Development that changed my life, I got let go from a show. They replaced my character. Actually, they just wrote him out. And at the time, I was like, oh, I was a series regular on a sitcom. I was going to make money and all this kind of shit. And I got so bad. And six months later, I didn't know that the universe had made space for me to have to do the thing that would change my life.

43:24Oh, see? And so it's very, now I didn't become a global superstar in the way you did, but still it like was the thing that really propelled me and gave me, you know, a career. I had a similar thing happen. I got a part on the Texas Wheelers with Jack Elam, you know, that cockeyed character actor from Westerns? Now, when he did support your local sheriff, support your local gunfire, then he got to show his comedy chops. And this pilot was an irreverent, it was like the anti-Waltons. Gary Busey was the titular head of the family because Jack comes back in the pilot having been in jail for stealing a car or whatever.

44:04But my character, Doobie, Doobie Wheeler, was, what I loved about it was he was hilarious, but he was so serious about himself. He took himself very seriously, thought he was a womanizer, even though he was a virgin, all these things. It was really for its time in 1974, I remember the New York Times said, possibly the finest bucolic comedy since Tobacco Road. And I said, oh, man, not only is this a breakout part, but it's a comedy part. Because for the most part, I was playing real straightforward high school students and that kind of stuff. So I was really jazzed. And it came out and we made 13 episodes.

44:47It got canceled after four episodes. And I was devastated because I said, I'm not going to get another good part like this. I just don't see it happening. I was really, really depressed. But the upshot is if that had run, then I wouldn't have been able to do Star Wars. Exactly. That's my point. We would have had Freddy Krueger out there swinging around a lightsaber. I mean, and that would have been, imagine all the scratch marks on Vader's cape. No, actually it would have been Will Seltzer. Oh, yeah? And Terry Nunn from, she was in a band. Oh, I can't remember. Yeah, Terry Nunn. Terry Nunn. She was in, not Joy Division.

45:25I don't know. You Google it. But I mean, it was, like I say, it was cast as a set. There was no mixing and matching. Right. Yeah. Right. You came as a package. Berlin. She's the singer from Berlin. That's it. The band Berlin. Thank you. You know, Mark, I have, as I always say with my guests that I bring on, that I have 7 ,000 questions. But I wanted to, you know, we gotta let you go because it's been an hour and we promised we'd only have you for an hour here. So the, you know, all the stuff I wanted to ask you about just like, you know, coming back to The Force Awakens and what was that with J.J.

46:02Abrams. Anyway, we'll talk about that at dinner sometime, hopefully. But I watched The Fall of the House of Usher. I thought you were incredible. You have The Life of Chuck coming out on Netflix, which looks so good. You have The Long Walk, another, that Stephen King movie that comes out in 2025 which is fucking, that looks incredible. And you've been getting all these accolades for the Wild Robot. I'm in the new SpongeBob SquarePants movie. You're in the new SpongeBob SquarePants movie. Have you seen Wild Robot? I mean, it's funny that we should bring it up now that we're wrapping up. I have.

46:31I've seen it. It's so great. I heard it's fantastic. It's so great. Look, I read the book. This book by Peter Brown, there's a reason it was the number one bestseller in the New York Times and won all these awards. It is so perfect that I thought, Please don't mess this up. If they can capture even 20 % of the charm of this book, we're on a winner. And they kept the illustrations the exact same as in the book. The cast is beyond great. I was reading the book to the kids. Yeah, it's amazing. But it's so effortless and it's so meaningful in this time about tolerance and joining together for the greater good.

47:09That's where they lost me. Yeah, to be honest. If I'm being real, that's where they... It seemed very timely, you know, given what we're going through. But it's a huge hit, and it's like getting recognized, which is great. It's massive. It's really, really good. I'm so lucky. Well, Mark, I just say just for me, you're such a delight, and I'm so excited that you're such a delight because myself, like so many people my age, you're such a part of just who we are and who we wanted to be and the fact that you have maintained such a kindness and a warmth and a decency in your person, it seems, is such a relief.

47:50And thank you for being here, buddy. Thank you for saying that. But I have to tell you, these people, when they come up to you and talk about it, they put it in such personal terms that it helped me get through my father's divorce or whatever it is. I never get tired of it. It's like, oh, no, let's not talk about that again. I want to hear what they have to say. You know, I think at this point, since I'm sort of soft focus on the details, you know, because I haven't seen it that much. And really, Luke had a light presence in the sequels. He did a silent cameo in the first one and a cameo in the last one.

48:29So I only had that middle part. But what I'm saying is it's something that I don't take for granted. and I think how lucky I am because people say, oh, aren't you sorry that you're remembered for nothing but Luke when in fact, I never expected to be remembered for anything. I just wanted to jump in. What an absurd thing if anybody actually says that. What an absolutely absurd fucking thing to say. It's the most famous film in the history of entertainment. And like you said, it's that connection and I'm going to echo what Jason said for a kid who grew up in Toronto and saw it the first time at the Pleasant Theater on Mount Pleasant in Toronto, in the city.

49:10For me to be here all these years later talking to you, the impact that what you did. But that you're a good person too is just... Yeah, and then on top of it, you're a great dude. It's a gift. It's really something that is... And I appreciate Sean mentioning Follow the House of Usher because I'm used to doing really bizarre and atypical roles in animation. This is the first time Mike Flanagan asked me to do a character that would have been routine in animation on camera. Yeah, you were so great. Because I thought, here's this guy who is the soulless, evil sociopath. Naturally, they thought of me.

49:44Yeah, sure. I'm so grateful to Mike Flanagan. But we watched it. I just love that. You knocked it out of the park. I loved you in that part. It was so unexpected and absolutely thrilling to watch. And it was really one of those things where when I read it, I thought, how am I going to do this? I usually have a slight concept of what is required of your character to make the whole thing work. And it was a huge ensemble. Mike does these wonderful, you know, Haunting of Hill House, Haunting of Bly Manor, Midnight Mass. So I was a huge fan of his. And I thought, even though I don't know how to do this, if he thinks I can do it, then by gosh, I'm going to do it.

50:26But it was really scary because when I was flying up Vancouver, I still had no idea. and little by little his wardrobe helped me pick out his wardrobe. As I said to the hair people, this guy wants to get out of bed in the morning, just draw with one swipe of the towel, so cut it short enough so it just lays down. It doesn't stick up, just lays down. Then they found the glasses. They found the hat. And the last thing that came, which was really interesting because we didn't discuss it, but we were doing a scene in the Roderick and Madeline Usher's office. Yep. And I said, how do I convey that this guy is completely dead inside?

51:00and I just started talking like this. Well, I called him. He didn't call us back. I got a guy looking out for him. I didn't discuss it at the time, and I didn't say, I'm going to go in and do this voice. I just end the moment, said, should I do it? And I did, and after we did a couple of setups, later in the day, Mike walked past me and just said, love the voice. Yes. And I said, oh, I'm home. So great. You became a completely different person. I love that. Yes, and that's so rare. You know how exciting it is that someone thinks outside the box of what you're known for. And I'm really lucky. And again, he cast me in a small part in The Life of Chuck, which again, he said, I'm going to send you the script based on a Stephen King novella.

51:48And there's a part for you in it and blah, blah, blah. So I'm expecting, okay, you've got Stephen King, you've got Mike Flanagan. This is going to be the horror epic of all time. I'm telling you guys, it is the sweetest, poignant, warm story of a boy named Chuck at four different stages of his life. He grows up to be Tom Hiddleston. But it's so atypical of both of them. And I said to them when we made it, I said to Trevor Macy, the producer, I said, I don't know how we're going to promote this because it's indescribable. I mean, you have to see it to get it. Yeah, I can't wait to see it. It's amazing.

52:25And, you know, I saw it at his house once, just in a little room. But when I saw it at the Toronto Film Festival with an audience, it was a revelation. Because it wasn't in competition, but it was voted favorite film. Because the audience becomes such a part of it that things that you didn't expect to get reactions got reactions. They laughed. They applauded. People were in tears. I mean, it's really special. What's that one called? It's called The Life of Chuck, and it's told backwards. It's Act 3, Act 2, Act 1. And I'm only in Act 1 at the end of the picture. But Tom is great. This boy that plays him at age 12, Benjamin Pajak.

53:10Remember that name because this kid, he can sing, he dances. He played – he was the Ron Howard part in the revival of Music Man on Broadway. Hugh Jackman. And I'm telling you, I mean, I just, I wish you were my real grandson. He's just phenomenal. I love that. I can't wait to see it. Yeah, that. That comes out in May. Fantastic. And then The Long Walk, I can't wait, because that's a crazy concept. The Long Walk, and by the way, I read that. I'm thinking, ugh, this, because I always read the books before they've even seen the script. It's excruciating. It's so horrible. Yeah, it's 100 teenage boys are forced to participate, like, in an annual thing where they have to walk at a constant pace or they get killed, right?

53:54Or something like that. Yeah, there's people ready to shoot them in the head. I mean, I'm telling you, it's so gross, I thought. There's no way. I mean, I'll watch it maybe, but I can't do something like this. And again, my son read and said, are you nuts? This is fantastic. You gotta do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But just the violence, the gun violence alone. Now, luckily, it's now they do it CGI where you don't have to do squibs and everybody gets cleaned up after each take because the bug goes flying. but I mean, it is really gross. I love that. I love it. Well, you got a lot of good stuff coming up and by the way, if you have any Star Wars memorabilia you want to get rid of, please send it over.

54:30Yeah. And when specifically are you going to do Oscar in London? July through September at the Barbican Theater. Okay, July, August, September. Like three months? Like, yeah, well, no, seven weeks. Okay, seven weeks. Seven weeks. The end of July, two weeks. Okay. Sounds like fun. Summer in England. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Mark, it's been an honor and a privilege to talk to you. I echo what these guys say. I just can't even believe I'm talking to you. This is crazy. When I listened to you guys do with Steve Martin and Martin Short, I said, well, after this, I've got to be a letdown. Nobody can top those two.

55:08It was one of the best episodes you've ever had. You've been such a joy. You hit the peak, sir. Such a joy. Thank you for joining us, Mark. Thank you, Mark. Thanks for having me. What a thrill. If you ever get hungry, call me. I'll have a meal. Goodbye. Thanks, Mark. What a kind man you are. Bye, buddy. Bye. Bye. Hey. Well, Sean, you're going to be all right? Do you need to mop, you need to towel off or? Yes, I do. I was sweating a little bit the whole time. I mean, my Lord. What a guest for you. Isn't that crazy? He was supposed to come on for a long time. Now what? You just couldn't, now what?

55:41I know. I'm done. Harrison Ford. You said Mark Allen. Now what? I mean, I guess you can make your way through the cast. Of course, Harrison would be amazing. Yeah. Carrie would be hard to book. I'm sure. She would like that. And you want to say cut that now or no? She would love it. She would love that. She would love that. But I wouldn't, you know, I didn't even get to ask him about, you know, the fact that actors, we kind of measure our lives in like milestone of jobs, right? We all talk, I was talking about like, I was doing this at that time and this. And for him, Star Wars never, there's no end to that milestone.

56:16Like he reprised Luke on Mandalorian with Jon Favreau, you know? Oh, yeah. Like, he is so open and willing to share, to not shy away from it and to embrace it, which I think is really important. Yeah, and he loves the legacy of it. He's not frustrated that that was then and this is now. Yeah, I like that. I like that about him. You know, sometimes they play it down like, yeah, yeah, I did. And you're like, no, no, no. It's a great thing. Yeah, like, own it. Yeah, he was the star of, is the star of the biggest film, most famous film in the history of our business. Totally. It's just a remarkable thing.

56:57And thank God he's proud of it. I know. Incredible. Which is your favorite film of all the films, Shani? Well, the Empire Strikes Back is pretty special. Yeah? Yeah. I mean, I live for all of them. What was the thing about Empire Strikes Back? It was just, I don't know, it was a little more sophisticated. it was a little more there was we'll turn it back into a bye here a little there's a little more oh no I was gonna do a special one no cause I know a lot of people felt like that was well A New Hope is the first one so it's like the first time you see it so it's amazing yeah huge huge Empire Strikes Back is an amazing cinematic feat and people weren't they didn't love as much and this is a very special Return of the Jedi Jedi Jedi Jedi Jedi Jedi we will allow I know, but it's Star Wars.

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