"Olivia Wilde"

8:41Will Arnett:Yeah. Well, tell me. Crap room? It's crap room.

8:44Sean Hayes:Crap room, yeah.

8:45Will Arnett:Wow. God, my 14-year-old's gonna love that. That's... Right? Because she goes to school near there. Okay, thanks for bringing us down. Guys, sitting and chatting with us today is pure sunshine on feet. This actor-director is a woman I have had the deep pleasure of working with twice Wow As an actor She has done fantastic work In both comedy and drama In film, stage, and TV As a director She's one of the most exciting And sought after new voices today And having already done three films Which no doubt There will be more As many more As she wants as she wishes She's a true friend Olivia Wilde Reveal yourself Olivia And today your tasty ear meal here Is Olivia Wilde How in the world did you get that, Will?

9:36Will! Will, how did you get that?

9:38Sean Hayes:Because she's one of the most sought-after directors. Oh, of course. Come on, of course. That's an easy, that's a layup. I think you could hear my heavy breathing. I think that's... Was that your small dog? That was the last part of the intro, Jason. It says that her heavy, known for her heavy breathing, right?

9:54Will Arnett:Wild. Olivia, welcome to the show. Welcome, yeah. This is great. I feel like it's long overdue. Can we have trouble making your deal or something? Oh, my God, is this overdue? What? Well, I finally did every other podcast and this was it. No. You saved the best for last in this world, right? This is so exciting. Sitting here spying on you guys is a really weird, thrilling feeling. I apologize for all the coffee chat. All our trash. It's so great. I want 45 minutes of that and three of me. Well, guess what? Yeah, here it comes. We're not going to let you talk at all. Yeah, our favorite is to ask you a question and then tell you what our answer is for that question.

10:38Will Arnett:And then whatever time remains, you can tell. Oh, I know. I'm a longtime listener. Come on. Are you? Big fan. Who's your favorite? Yeah, of course. You're my favorite because you brought me on. Will didn't, even though Will and I just worked together. We did. That's right. Oh, you did? We did. That's right. Did you guys have scenes together? We did. Really? Yeah. Wait, that sounds like a lot. Pivotal scene.

11:00Sean Hayes:We don't want to say too much. Let's go ahead

11:02Will Arnett:Let's start with that Tell them about your film Coming out y 'all We're in a film Called Behemoth Sounds big I'll say It's Behemoth And directed by Tony Gilroy The great Tony Gilroy The coolest

11:16Sean Hayes:He's the coolest guy Of all time

11:18Will Arnett:Hey Will Why don't you try to book him Huh

11:20Sean Hayes:Yeah why don't we get him on I'd love to have I am gonna get Tony I am gonna get him Will you

11:23Will Arnett:You have to Oh my god

11:25Sean Hayes:Dude I'll fan all of that guy By the way Listener Please look Tony Gilroy up and you'll be amazed. Just his credits alone, he's just incredible. Michael Clayton, his first film somehow, which is bananas. His first film that he directed.

11:37Will Arnett:Yeah, that he directed. He's an incredible writer, but that's a perfect movie. You get to Robert Elswit to be the DP on that, right out of the gate. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's like Citizen Kane. He's like, how about this? I'll try this job and it's perfect. But he's so cool and so chill and he makes it look so easy. I was just entirely obsessed with him and his wife. he's got a real cool thing like you and Amanda Jason he's like that they're like just cool and obsessed with each other

12:08Sean Hayes:Amanda's cool she carries a cool for both of us yeah yeah the great Tony Gilroy God we love him we love him I will say can I tell you something funny Olivia happened to me last week I want to listen let me listen I had this is for us so I had I had dinner with Tony like two weeks ago oh yeah and here in LA And then I - To talk about reshooting your stuff. That's weird. I was here. But anyway, keep going. We just got down. And I, we split the bill. So we both put our cards down. When we signed the thing or whatever, we split. Surprised you got half out of you. A couple days later. No, I did go through the bill.

12:46Sean Hayes:I kept going, you had two drinks, right? You hadn't - Because I didn't touch - Who had the French fries? If I'm looking at the dessert, like I never even touched it. And so then, so we split. And then a couple days later, I go shopping to buy a few new items to get some clothes. And the bill was pretty hefty. And I give him the card. The guy gets it back. And he hands me the card back. And I'm talking to my friend. And I look down. It says Tony Gilroy on the credit card. Yeah. So I go, and then I text him. I go, hey, man. So listen, you're about to get a big charge. Thanks for the tops. And so he goes, oh, shit.

13:19Sean Hayes:And he goes, I'm going back to New York. He goes, all right. I'll come over and grab it from you. I'm running around the corner. and he goes, he goes, I don't, I'm trying to think if I bought anything in the last couple of days and there was a positive test and he goes, the only thing I thought, I think I bought, embarrassingly enough, are mothballs. What? I go, what? That's relatable.

13:40Will Arnett:So anyway, He's got something, this guy's got a lot of cashmere. He does, he does a lot of cashmere. He's stylish. He's in cashmere. Yeah, he sure is. But this movie is starring Pedro Pascal and I have no idea when it comes out, but it's going to be so good because there are at least seven composers on that film. It's a film about music. And Pedro plays a cellist and you also play a musician. Yes. Did you get to play music in the movie?

14:09Sean Hayes:No. You didn't? I read it. I think I read it. I read my scenes. No, I read it. You thought it was about it.

14:17Will Arnett:What instrument did they say your character played well?

14:21Sean Hayes:They just said it's just a bunch. He's just kind of like an all-around kind of... Whatever's available? Yeah, and he's a dude who kind of... I don't know if you're catching my 10 ,000-yard stare. He's kind of a guy who's got a lot going on inside.

14:33Will Arnett:I love when you wet the reed. Hopefully it's some sort of wind instrument. And let the spit out. Yeah.

14:44Will Arnett:So, truly, it's about conductors, composers? Sort of, right? Yeah, and like film composition, like music for a film. And it's kind of a love letter to that world. And they show that process, which is so cool. Yeah. That's cool. Wow. Yeah, that is something that your average moviegoer does not get a chance to learn about that much. Exactly. It's fascinating.

15:07Sean Hayes:It's really, really fascinating kind of getting in and out of them, the people who inhabit that world and what they are. And some of them are just the most brilliant. And Will plays Pedro's brother. Yeah. Put that together in your head. Wow. Make that make sense. And it does because you're that good. It was the tan. It's the tan that you currently have. That's why he's still wearing all the makeup.

15:27Will Arnett:Thank you. No. You guys. Talk about me like I'm not here. He's good. All right. So we started at the end. Let's go back to the beginning. Hey, Livvy. 1942. I don't think I've ever called you Livvy. now this has gotten some press before and I apologize to ask you about it but maybe some of our listeners have discussed it buckle up but it's cute I like it you had to change your name didn't you doll you know I didn't have to I chose to well you kind of had to let's walk the audience through the original name I don't know this what's the original name it's fun it's real fun But it's fun, but it's got some real lineage to it too.

16:21Will Arnett:So go ahead here, guest. You talk. Okay, thank you so much. I was born with a different name. Oh. My family name is actually Coburn, but it's pronounced Coburn, but it's spelled, and I weirdly have a visual for this. No, listener, you won't get it, but it's for these guys. But my last name is...

16:43Sean Hayes:Oh, wow. Cockburn. Sean, you were just talking about cockburn like two days ago. Yeah, that's... Right? Because were you saying something behind? By the way, I'm still talking about it. When are you not talking about it? I forget, but in particular, it was behind a dumpster. Anyway, whatever. You had a real case of the cockburn. I mean, if anybody has any ointment or anything, let me know.

17:05Will Arnett:Wait, it's really pronounced coburn? Okay, but this is the thing. That's not unusual. In Scotland, it is pronounced coburn. I've never expected anyone in my life to ever be able to get that, to predict that. So from me - C-O-C-K, by the way, so people can say - Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. C-O-C-K-B-U-R-N. Cockburn. Very literally how you would imagine it being spelled. And it's a name to grow up with to build character. You know, it's a boy named Sue. And yeah, my family are all amazing writers and journalists and just badass people. And that book you just held up, is that somebody from your family?

17:46Yeah. My sweet assistant has built this little tower for the microphone, and she happened to use all these books that are written by my family just to intimidate me, to remind me I haven't done shit in my life.

17:58Will Arnett:And they're very impressive. That's not true. But they're all amazing, yeah. Well then, but so, A, how early did you change the name? And B, you landed on Wild because of your affinity for? Oscar. Oh, wow. And yes, and so I changed it when I was 18. I, right when you legally can, if you can believe it. But hang on, but you went through the toughest teasing years with that name. Oh, yeah. How'd that go? I think it's, I truly think it's good for you. I think, I think that everyone should be given one really devastating part of their name. Just so you, I was just talking to Dax about this because he also, he, this was also where he wanted to start.

18:44He was like, it was really dark.

18:47Will Arnett:We are a child of that podcast. Wait, that's true. I've never spoken to Dax about his name. What do we know about Dax's first name? It's actually Cockburn. Yeah. But what is Dax? Dax is actually his name. No, I think it's Dax. No, he's born Dax, right?

19:06Sean Hayes:I forget why his mom. Daxel. What was the deal with that? Daxel. Isn't that weird? I've never asked him about that. Daxel. I have, and I forget. Daxel. So wait a minute, Olivia. So did you, so 18, why 18? So you wanted to change it forever? Well, no, I moved out here. I came right from boarding school. I came right to LA, and I was a casting assistant, and I was going to auditions, and I was like, I want to forge my own path, and I wanted to change my name. And I had like great affinity for other people who had done that. I thought it was really cool when other people had done that. And I was like, what would I do?

19:52And the first play I did that I really loved was The Importance of Being Earnest. And then I read everything that Oscar Wilde wrote and I just became obsessed with him. And he's Irish, my family's Irish. So that's how it happened.

20:04Will Arnett:Yeah, it's such a great name. Yeah, I didn't think it would be interpreted so like pornographically, like the first 10 years of my career, every headline, every magazine was just like, get wild, like born to be wild, wet and wild. And I was like, oh, fuck. I didn't really think this through.

20:22Sean Hayes:Could use a little cock burn right now. She kept it as a middle name. I did, yeah. No.

20:31Will Arnett:Wait, but what about being an assistant casting director? Now, I would imagine that would have given you some comfort as you started auditioning that you'd kind of been on the other side of it and you kind of, was it less intimidating? You know, I did it because Keener had done it. I was obsessed with Catherine Keener and she had done it. Catherine Keener. And it's not something most casting directors will let you do. Like they don't usually hire wannabe actors because it's like dangerous. You have little spies in the office. But I worked for Mally Finn. Do you guys remember Mally? Did you ever audition?

21:03Yeah, of course. She was a legend. And so I worked for her first when I was 16 and then when I was 18. So when I was 16, I did it for a summer. And then she let me come back at 18 and have a real job. And I worked there for almost a year. And it was wild. I really saw how the sausage was made.

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25:17Will Arnett:All right, back to the show.

25:20Sean Hayes:Did it help you at all, like, understand the audition process? Like, did you feel like it gave you a leg up? Yeah. Also, she had crazy high standards. So she would not accept anybody unprepared or not off book. Like, she would stop people and say, why don't you come back when you've done the work? And I loved that it gave me this sense of, like, you better be really prepared. Like I never have gone to an audition without being prepared. But she had crazy stories. And the thing that I love is that while I was working there, there was like this great legend. Hang on, let me drink my coffee because.

25:53Will Arnett:Go ahead. Pause. This is what the editing is. This is in Twitter. Shum it right out. Okay. It's going to be smooth as silk. Oh, yeah. So while I was working there, there was like the legend of the Sam Rockwell audition. And it was like she would tell us like the best audition I've ever seen was Sam Rockwell auditioning for the Green Mile. Jason's directing him right now? Let me tell you this, and please repeat this to him at work today. So she said, he came in, and it was the last day of the director's sessions, the last possible day you could audition, and he came in, and he had been given the wrong scenes.

26:27And this man, Sam Rockwell, he didn't even pause. He said, well, give me the correct scenes, and I'll go learn them really quickly. And they said, that's impossible, Sam. It's 10 pages of dialogue. You can't possibly, no one could do it. And he was like, just give me a chance. I don't want to miss this opportunity. So they gave him the right scenes. He goes into the hallway. They only have five minutes to give him to learn the lines. He comes back in and he nails it. And they were floored and he got the role. And she said, that, that's an actor who can work that quickly. So years later, I'm working with Sam and I'm sitting next to him in the makeup chair.

27:00And I was like, Sam, it's so nice to meet you. What an honor. I have to tell you, I always heard this story when I was an assistant and it just really inspired me. and he goes, oh, yeah. That was like a thing I used to do. That worked every time. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, that's great. I have been... Brilliant. Like, I thought that this... I revered his ability to like flash memorize. He knew. Wow. He had the correct size. It was a whole performance. Oh, my God. And it's so genius because it lowers their expectations. Then if you even like say half the things right, they're like, God damn, this man learned this in five minutes.

27:41Will Arnett:He's a crafty bugger. He's a real operator of that rock. I better keep my knees bent. This is like, he's like, and the way it's so Sam, and he's like, oh yeah. That was just like a thing I used to do. Oh yeah. And I was like, wow. He deserves an Oscar. I don't know if I told this before, but we can cut this out if it's boring. Already too boring? No, no, we're good. Sean, cut, pre-cut, pre-cut.

28:08so i went to go audition for the bucket list with uh the brilliant rob reiner rest his soul he was amazing and he and i walk in and i had the wrong sides right i worked for real for a long time and i walked in and i had all like it wasn't even slightly wrong it was completely rewrote all these scenes and i started auditioning with the with the scene and he's like what are you doing i'm like what do you mean and he's like these are who gave you these sides like my agent he's like no there's a whole new script and he's like i'm like i didn't know that i go great then let me come back a week later and i'll go work on them so i work on them and i had this bit already and i walk in and it's just me and rob and like produce a couple producers and a cast director and i was like you ready he's like yeah and then i i started going uh why did you order that so bad like the worst acting you've ever seen on purpose i go why did you order the code red i didn't tell you to order the code red you want the truth you can't handle the truth no no and I stopped and he's laughing and I go did I get the wrong side

29:10that's really great that's so good I started doing the scene from A Few Good Men that's so good did he give me the part

29:16Will Arnett:yeah I got it yeah nice very nice so now Olivia now that you're on the other side of the table in these auditions as you're directing these things are you are you incredibly more compassionate Yes, and I take like 12 hours per session because I'm like, you go. I want to hear it all. Even if I know from the first moment that it's not going to be them, I'm like, this is your time. And it's a disaster for everyone else because I will milk it. It's so hard. Auditioning is a fucking nightmare. And these people, they come and it's so vulnerable. And yeah, being on that side definitely made me a little kinder.

29:56Sean Hayes:But there's so much more also self-taping now, right? It's all self-tape, isn't it?

30:00Will Arnett:Oh, yeah.

30:01Sean Hayes:That part seems fantastic,

30:03Will Arnett:right?

30:03Sean Hayes:Where you just record your audio.

30:05Will Arnett:Yeah, then the pressure's off. I like the room. I like the room. Yeah. Well, what if you don't do well? What if you forget your lines? With the self-tapes, you don't send it until you're happy with it. But you overthink it and I mean, can you imagine how much, the overthinking, and also what I find is when people send me tapes, they've overthought the framing, the lighting. People have full setups now and I'm like, you don't need that. I'd rather have someone's like shitty iPhone selfie video in their car on the way to their real job than like... At a red light. Yeah. Rather than like a full setup that I'm like, you didn't have to do that for me.

30:41I don't need all this. But Olivia, what made you... How did you know that you wanted to just move to Los Angeles and work in a casting director's office? Well, truly Keener. You moved from where? I read the Keener down at... I was at boarding school in Massachusetts.

30:57Sean Hayes:Okay. Who went to boarding school here? You said somebody did. Oh, you did? Yeah. Where did you go? In Canada. We don't talk about it. Okay. We had a bad break. Board of school and I had a bad break. Okay. Yeah. Well, mine was, it's tough, but I went to a fancy one. I can't complain. It was very bougie. But I graduated and left the suburbs of Massachusetts after growing up in New York and then D.C. And I had never spent much time in the West Coast. I thought LA sounded like this like incredible mecca of excitement. And I came out here and took like two city buses to work every day in the casting office.

31:37And then started auditioning and, you know, kind of like scraped my way up slowly. But it was really the dream from the beginning. So for me, it was very exciting. How about that? Even just to be here.

31:47Will Arnett:And where'd you stay when you came out? Did you move into the Oakwoods? No, that would have been fun. That sounded so fun for those people. I did. You did? I did a few pilot seasons. So for Tracy, that's a place where the actors would go stay when they came. It was like a corporate housing.

32:02Sean Hayes:And there would be that thing. Remember pilot season, you'd have like six auditions a day and you're not getting anything. And the back gate is on Barham over there on the way down the hill towards Warner Brothers. And on the back gate when you leave, there's a sign on the gate and you had to wait for it to slowly open. And it said, smile, it's showtime. Oh, so dark. And there'd be days, and it's like February, and it's raining all day, and you're like going back for a crappy pilot, and you're just feeling like, I'm worthless. I'm 31. Nothing is happening. Smile, it's showtime. Fuck me, man. Well, I had given myself a limit because I had taken, I deferred from college, and I was like, I'm giving myself a year, or like nine months, and if I don't book anything in that time, I'll go.

32:49I think that's good. I think giving yourself a little bit of a deadline.

32:53Will Arnett:What was the thing that you would have gone back and studied in college? I mean, acting. I mean, it would have, I think I would have studied. I really probably would have become a writer like everyone else in my family, or I would have tried. So, but now if I went back, which I like to fantasize about, I think it would be like, I think I want to study neuroscience. I'd like to go and do, wouldn't that be cool? I thought there'd be a bunch of math I'd have to catch up on though, which is not. I've got a couple of friends that are doctors, and I just, they walk on water to me. Yes, yes. I just like, that's really, like, you certainly aren't born with any sort of natural talent to cut people's brains open and fix it, right?

33:34Will Arnett:Like, you could be born with talent to throw a football 100 yards or whatever, but you don't come out with it. So it's all learned. You have to learn so much and you don't learn it until you read it or it's explained to you. Jason respects discipline. He respects discipline. Yes. And self-education. Yeah. I think it's incredible. I wonder if they are born, though, with something. Maybe you are born with greater intelligence.

33:58Sean Hayes:Well, you have an affinity to want to learn that. That's why I'd get into neuroscience, because I'd want to get in there and see if they are born with it. You know what I mean? Get in there. You cut them open and look for natural talent. That's how we'd learn if they are born with it. Yeah, you fucking dummy. That's why I'm doing it. Yes. You think Dr. Gary walks on water, by the way?

34:18Will Arnett:I do. He's an emergency room physician. He's got to do everything.

34:22Sean Hayes:No, you disrespect his golf game because he's so straight and he's always in the fairway. But what about, I have a friend that was like, he's like, I don't trust doctors. I don't believe in them. I think, you know, statins. Like, just, he goes on and on about like what's... You're talking about RFK Jr.? Yeah. Your top dog? Yeah, I'm having dinner with him tonight. No. No, but... Top dog. No, but like, what do you think about these people who don't ever, who constantly put doctors down. I'm with you. I'm like, I've taken the two choices about someone who, you know, stuff you read online or like self-help, whatever, and somebody who studied it day in and day out.

35:01I'm going to go with the guy who studied it. Yeah, just assuming that those doctors

35:05Sean Hayes:must be wrong. Like, wait,

35:07Will Arnett:what? Also,

35:08Sean Hayes:also that there's a bigger conspiracy at play here that they're looking to take the, what is it, take the world over? They've all organized and figured out

35:15Will Arnett:how to trick us all. Right, right.

35:16Sean Hayes:I think Sean Trust Doctor is too much. I mean, I would say that maybe. Yeah, he's got a punch card at Cedars.

35:23Will Arnett:No, they call him paddles when he comes in. He's got a-fib and he's always getting it fired up. I mean, I had to play a doctor to be anywhere near it. House. Let's talk about House. That wasn't me trying to like segue into my career at all. No, no, no. Being the interview guy.

35:39Sean Hayes:Wild in the house. We appreciate the help. No. And for our Canadian listeners, it's the show known as House. Yes.

35:45Will Arnett:Created by Canadians. house. Wasn't that next door to us over there on the Fox lot for a house development? I thought you were in Canada. Oh, man. I wish I was on your show. I wish we were all back on the 20th lot. Wasn't that great? Just going to Apple Pan every day for lunch. Apple Pan's in my life. Is that still there? Oh, yeah. Apple Pan. I think it is there. I think Irving Azoff. Yeah, I go there after therapy. Didn't Irving Azoff buy Apple Pan? That's right. Or am I thinking of Nate and Alice? No, you're correct. Or both. Sean, you go there after therapy?

36:12Sean Hayes:So once all the feelings come up, you go to stuff them back down? Yes. With the tuna melt and the milkshake. Yes. So good. And fries. All right.

36:22Will Arnett:All right. So we're back. We'll go back in the time machine. What is Olivia Coburn watching when she's a wee lass that's inspiring her to become an actor? Okay. This is the thing. I think about this a lot now. My family, we watched a lot of comedy together. And it is my greatest memory from childhood is the sound of my parents laughing and all of us laughing. And my mom has a really funny thing. She still like cries when she laughs and it's just adorable. I love that. She would always be like wiping away tears and my dad laughing so hard, all of us. And when I think about it, it was a lot of comedy that I wouldn't have been absorbing the real meaning of.

37:02I mean, a lot of -

37:03Will Arnett:Like Taxi, all in the family. Yeah, and like we watched like a lot of comedy that was probably a little too adult. and then a lot of, you know, we watched like Wayne's World a thousand times. Like for some reason, Wayne's World was like a huge movie in our family, but a lot of SNL. And it was a real joy to just sit and watch, you know, all the Monty Python together a lot. Like we just, it was the best. And I think for me watching comedy, even watching like, for me, I love Lucy. I watch a lot of old comedy television. Yeah, we do too. I do too. I watch Cheers a lot. Cheers, the best. I love Cheers.

37:44God, I love Cheers. And so I think about like, oh, of course, that's where I find myself now wanting to make comedies because it's just, I think it is probably the happiest memories from childhood. I think I'm trying to recreate that feeling.

37:57Sean Hayes:But did you go like, oh, I'm going to go and do this and I want to be in comedy? Like, was that like a thing? Yes, yes. Yeah, I think probably because it was, I probably at the earliest stage saw how happy it was making my parents. Like I think, and then I would, I was the ham of the family. and so I would make them laugh and then I would, I was the jamón of the family and I would go and like just entertain everyone and they always had parties. My family, my parents are very social and very good hosts and so they had these amazing parties all the time and it was my joy in life to go and like perform as the little kid.

38:33So, but I really think it was from watching all these great movies together and I think about it because I'm like, am I showing my kids enough? like great films. I hope so.

38:43Sean Hayes:Jason, you're good about it with Franny. You've been so good about it.

38:46Will Arnett:I put them in front of the TV before they could even speak because that was my upbringing. Because you were playing golf. Yeah, because you're busy. But, you know, they got to learn somehow, you know,

38:57Sean Hayes:colors and numbers and things. No, but you've talked in the last couple of years, like you and Franny talk about film and you sort of put a lot of good stuff in front of her. Like that's been important to you.

39:07Will Arnett:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really important to me because that's what I had with my dad. It was great subject matter and shared references. And yeah, I just, I love it. Yeah, you don't want to expose your four-year-old to the wire. No. But, you know, it's just like common sense. I'm not afraid of screens. It's the best. And when they get it, it's so great. But sometimes they'll be like, they'll come back from their dad's house and be like, we had to watch 12 Angry Men. And I'm like, geez. I don't know if that's... Well, Suds, you know. Suds loves the 12 Angry Men. Otis is like, oh my God. What are your kids, what are your go-to, what are the repeats?

39:47Like they will watch the same one movie over and over. Well, I miss when they were really into like musical theater. I mean, Otis used to be obsessed with Singing in the Rain and it was so sweet. He would watch it over and over and over again. And, you know, Mary Poppins and all that stuff. And now it's more, actually the thing that I love that he's into is Godzilla. The original, the old Godzilla. Oh, no, with like the claymation. Yeah, like Mothra. Have you seen that? The 1960s Godzillas are so cool and beautiful. And he and I went to Japan a couple weeks ago on like a little mom-son trip. We went for a week.

40:25Oh, so jealous. And it was the best. It was like, it was just the greatest trip I've ever taken with another person alone. Like it was, we laughed constantly. And it came from our shared Godzilla obsession.

40:37Sean Hayes:Can I just say as an aside, have you guys been to Japan before, Sean? No, I want to go. I've been a couple of times as a kid

40:43Will Arnett:and I have actually promised that exact trip Olivia just took to both girls individually, just father-daughter time. And I have not done it yet. I've talked about with Abel, the same thing.

40:56Sean Hayes:Japan is the greatest place. I couldn't love Japan anymore. It's amazing. And it's great for kids. It's clean. It's so clean. Like, Otis couldn't get over the fact that there's no trash on the street and there's no trash cans. So it's not because, like, oh, they have so many trash cans. It's that they just respect the city enough to not litter. It's the—everything about it is interesting and beautiful. And we had the best time. We got on the bullet train. And I bet you love it, Bateman, because it's very efficient. Everything about it. like the train leaves like literally like to the second at the time that it says.

41:35It's like the opposite of Italy. And I love Italy too. But it's like - We went for the train. It is. And Otis is like that. It's coming. The train will leave eventually.

41:47Will Arnett:Make a big deal. Have a nice coffee, one cigarette. It's predictable. And I think kids really like that too. They like the idea that like it's going to happen when they say it's going to happen. and they're just the coolest. I saw this thing about Japan where if a kid, I may have gotten this wrong, if a kid is wearing yellow, then that kid is by himself and everybody watches out for that kid. Come on. You know? Oh, my God. Like the kid isn't, doesn't have a... Unchaperoned. Yeah, unchaperoned, yeah. Wow. An orphan, perhaps. Maybe that's an orphan uniform. Right. Just walking around looking for a home.

42:23Will Arnett:This one's free. Just grab this one if you want. No? I don't think so. Come on, Sean. Sean, Jesus. No, but I think I saw that.

42:32Sean Hayes:I don't know if that's true.

42:33Will Arnett:I don't know about that one. It's probably not. Oh, hang on.

42:36Sean Hayes:Olivia, this is a segment we like to call I Think I Saw That. It's really a lot of conjecture. It's next to the other segment called Scrub My Search History by Sean Hayes. Wait, we have to introduce that. I may have dreamt this.

42:56Will Arnett:All right, so here we go.

42:57Sean Hayes:What was the thing? What was the thing? What was the job? What was the thing that turned it all? Because you're auditioning, you're doing stuff. What was the thing? What was the first boom? I guess probably the OC. The OC. Oh, that's right. I was a bisexual bartender, Alex Kelly. And it was a big show. Bigger than I knew it was when I agreed to do it. And it was wild.

43:21Will Arnett:You know, it's being rewatched. Oh, I know. Because these young folks, now they come up to me and I'm like, what do you mean? It's such a deep cut, but they will say like, I love you on the show. And I'm like, what show? And it's the OC and I can't believe it. I mean, for them, it's like Nick at Night now, right? It's like old. Right, right, right. I wonder why they landed on that as opposed to, let's say, 90210 or Melrose Place or - It's close enough. And also they're obsessed with early aughts, everything fashion now too. So like it is from that era that is now weirdly coming back. And so they're into that look and the music.

43:59It's relevant again.

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47:16And back to the show.

47:20Will Arnett:All right, and then there was Girl Next Door. There was Alpha Dog. That's so funny. And then we got to Cowboys and Aliens. I love that movie. Change Up. When are we getting to the Change Up? I mean, were there more people that saw Cowboys and Aliens or Change Up? Oh, that's hard. It might have been the same five people. Let's talk about the change-up. Let's talk about it. What's your favorite memory of the change-up? My favorite memory is obviously sitting on your lap, topless.

47:50Sean Hayes:With pasties. No, I mean from shooting. I mean from the movie. Oh, okay. That was also fun. Yeah. That was a good time as well. We really had the best time. I loved making that movie. Right? It was a blast. Ryan's the coolest

48:06Will Arnett:David Dobkin was so freaking awesome Oh Dobkin It was so great Down there in Atlanta I loved it Remember when I stopped by on the set? At the same time

48:16Sean Hayes:Yeah Sean you were making Three Stooges at the same time Yes you were And I walked to the mall to go see Green Lantern And there's Jason and Ryan filming Change Up In the middle of the mall Oh wow And I walked right into the middle of the scene I was like hey guys Oh They should have kept that That movie would have been better. With the curly wig on? Yeah, totally. At the fountain. I think it was the fountain, right? In the middle of the mall. Oh, right. The fountain. You guys were so good. You were so funny together. You gotta bogey over by the fountain. Totally. I was shuffled along very quickly.

48:52Will Arnett:And then we do Drinking Buddies, Joe Swanberg. Yes. That was completely improvised? Completely improvised. Yeah, that's like the true Swanbergian way, which is kind of that mumblecore which I think they hate that word mumblecore. It seems very, I don't know.

49:10Sean Hayes:For me, it's just more than it is. It's just a mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble. Oh, mumblecore. It was, you get, there's no script. There's a sort of outline and then you just improvise. What is this for? Oh, this was a movie called Drinking Buddies. Oh, Drinking Buddies.

49:28Will Arnett:Isn't that similar to what they do on Curb Your Enthusiasm? Shawnee, you've done that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just get the outline and you go. So there's no written script? No, zero. You just got to hit the beats and then you start. It's super fun. It's so great. And it was the first time I kind of took myself seriously as potentially being able to write something or maybe direct something one day because we were really in control of the story. And it was a collective effort. And that workshopping was so fun. It makes it very real. And it was, we kept learning from what happened and then letting that affect the next scene.

50:04So it was like, oh, now this would happen to these people. But you shot it in order. We shot it mostly in order. And that led to then the movie that I just directed, this movie, The Invite, that I did completely in order. And it was all really started in Drinking Buddies days when I was like, this is so fun. And it was a dream. I loved making that movie. in Chicago, drinking beer. I love that. So that was my next question is, so did Drinking Buddies inspire you to want to direct? Yeah. Is that the experience? I kind of, I want to do before, but that was the first time that I was like, wait, I think I might know how to put a scene together because I was given the chance to sort of be a part of that process.

50:47And it was, I was like, this is the most fun. I want that. And now having done both, obviously scripted, and this version where it's improv through an outline, Do you prefer one or the other? I think there's a... What I prefer is what I ended up getting to do on this movie, which was we workshopped the script together as cast and writers. Yeah. And then we were able to shoot it in order. Yeah, it was like a play. And it was a very well-thought-out script, ultimately, but we had kind of worked it together, and not in a full Mike Lee way, where we spend a year improvising on a cliffside or something.

51:25It was not that. But it was very organic because we had really massaged it together. And then once we got on set, we knew exactly what we were doing. I like that.

51:37Will Arnett:Well, so tell the audience a little bit more about that one. This is called The Invite. And it's inspired by or based on? It's based on a Spanish film. Okay. Oh, okay. So, yeah. So tell me, how did it kind of get started? Who watched the film first? Come on. Who called the other person and say, you know, let's do it this way? Okay, so Rashida Jones and Will McCormick wrote, we love, wrote the English language adaptation of a Spanish film that was called The People Upstairs. And it was a small Spanish film that was based on a play that you can sort of see the origins of it as a play because it's four people in one apartment.

52:20and the whole thing takes place with four people in one apartment over one night. And the idea is that it's kind of a dinner party gone wrong. It's about a husband and wife. In our version, it's myself and Seth Rogen who have been kind of plagued by the sounds of our neighbors upstairs having very loud sex. And it's been driving Seth's character kind of insane. And unbeknownst to him, I've invited these people over for dinner and he's furious because he doesn't want to have dinner with anyone. He's tired from work. But he says, fine, if you've ambushed me with this, I'm going to bring up the noise from upstairs.

52:56And I'm like, over my dead body, you'll bring up that noise. You will not. Please just try to be normal and have a normal night so we can have friends. And so the whole night, he's kind of threatening to bring up this thing. And they are endlessly kind of sexy and enigmatic. And they end up really blowing our minds and changing our marriage in one night. And the other couple is? Penelope Cruz and Edward Norton. What a cast. Yeah, what a cast. I mean, it's insane. Unbelievable cast.

53:23Sean Hayes:It's insane. And so Rashida and Will wrote the English version and I got that script and I was like, this is hilarious. And it was clearly an opportunity to make something in this way that I had been obsessing over since Drinking Buddy. So I was like, okay, we can shoot this in order and we can really personalize this script together and workshop it and make it really specific to these actors. and we can shoot it on 35 millimeter and we can make it really fun. And I'm obsessed with Mike Nichols. So I was like, this could be our Virginia Wolf. And it was the best experience of my life. Sorry, Jason and Will.

54:00I love working with you guys. This one was great.

54:04Will Arnett:But then, so you take this great script from Rashida and Will, but then the four of you get together, the cast. and do you guys start to take an even plus the script because of the specificity of each actor? Yes. And we really, the six of us sat for two weeks. This was the thing. I was like, can we stop giving away rehearsal time immediately when we make movies? Like it's the first thing we give up. We were just talking about this recently. It was impossible to convince people. Really agents. Agents are the ones who are like, no, he's not available until the minute you start rolling the camera.

54:41It's like, why? Why can't we consider it part of the job? Can you imagine doing that for theater? If it was like, no, I'll be there for previous.

54:49Will Arnett:Then what they do is then they prorate their salary. They say, well, so an extra two weeks of work at this number. Jason's also an agent. I don't know if you knew that. Yeah, be my agent, please. But it really was so fun because the six of us sat at this table and we tore through the script. and Rashid and Will were so game to kind of let it evolve to what these actors were thinking. And it was so fun. And it was like, imagine, I mean, Seth and Edward and Penelope are all real filmmakers on their own. I mean, they're directors, they're writers. And so the opportunity to kind of get all of their good ideas and put them in there.

55:29And Edward is on another, first of all, Edward's maybe one of my favorite Smart List guests. Maybe that episode is really, really great.

55:39Sean Hayes:He's so smart. He's so funny. Yeah, and he's so funny. And people don't even, people do know it, but I'm obsessed with him. And he ended up improvising like an entire monologue in the third act of this movie that is so beautiful. And it really just, it was his gift to us to just kind of like, he said to me, I'm gonna, I have a story I want to tell on the scene. I kind of don't want to tell you what it is. And I was like, okay, yeah. How long, like roughly. Just because we're like rolling film and I was paying for the film and I was like, just like how?

56:16Will Arnett:Was it longer than a full mag? I put a thousand foot mag on the camera and I was like, go! And he used it. And it was really great. But it was, Penelope Cruz came up with the funniest set piece in the movie. And it was all with the, you know, workshopping with Rashida and Will who would, man, just like run with the punches of roll or run. Do you roll or you roll with them? You roll with the punch, yeah. They rolled and ran. They ran with the ball. They ran with the ball. It was the best. And then I wasn't supposed to be in the movie, but the actors bullied me into playing that part, which was very sweet of them.

56:55Will Arnett:Well, now how do you find that? Do you find it efficient to direct yourself or do you find it distracting? acting? I think in this case, it was efficient because it was so intimate. It was almost like having one less body on set was actually really helpful. And I think that it allowed me to see things they were all doing. These geniuses were doing so many little things that I could see things the camera couldn't see. And so I'd be like, oh, okay, now we need to come around because Seth is doing something that I actually need us to get. And so in that way, it was good. I feel like it could be very difficult in a different situation.

57:28I also was playing someone who was like riddled with anxiety and which helped because I could just kind of be me.

57:36Will Arnett:Were they comfortable with you directing them inside a take or did you have to wait until you yelled cut before you gave them notes? I wasn't. I didn't do a like, okay, give me a little more. Give me a little like in this. It's still rolling. I want more. Go deeper. I didn't do that at all. In character, directing him in character. Yeah, yeah. No, I really believe in letting people kind of play and try things and then knowing that what I really can do as a director is later on prune and adjust things in the edit. So I just think it was like encouraging them to keep experimenting. And with Seth, I would have to tell him that he could be meaner to me because our characters, it's a very contentious relationship and there's a lot of arguing and he's a very non-confrontational person.

58:19So the most direction I gave Seth was like, you can fucking scream at me. Like I can take it. And angry Seth, it's a thing to behold. Because he's got it in him, it turns out.

58:33Sean Hayes:How many days was it then? It must have been. 23. Amazing. Yeah, so fast. Wow. And like, just the best. I mean, we were on this little soundstage, Sunset Las Palmas. It's the pink one. If you remember the opening of The Player, when he drives in, it's that. Oh, sure. And it's iconic. It's great and tiny. And we were all, we built the set on stage and we just, you know, banged it out. And then a year later went to Sundance. It was so fast.

59:02Will Arnett:Did we get in the weeds for one second? Did you have multiple cameras? Oh. We had one camera. No, and then towards the last week, we brought in a second camera because we wanted to just be able to, there were some scenes that they benefited from two cameras, but I didn't want to. I felt like I had been inspired by like Tarantino saying like, don't be a hack. Have one camera. Pick your perspective. Anytime you have two cameras, one shot is suffering. And I was like, oh, that's cool. Well, but you've got these four people talking all the time. And so you've got to do it four times at least so that everyone gets a camera pointed at them.

59:42Will Arnett:Yes. We did a lot of like shared frame. That's why it is very theatrical in that way that there's a lot of times where we're sharing the frame, which is why we had the best focus puller in the world who could somehow predict when someone was going to improvise a joke.

59:55Sean Hayes:And it's also better, I think, for comedy because there's nothing worse than cutting back between singles and comedy. I love seeing people inhabiting the same frame in a comedy. Oh, it's so thrilling because they really did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so much better. So if you take a left on Las Palmas, like street parking, obviously, again, Jason, I know that you want it. Where'd the trucks go? also editing editing comedy too i just find we i always think you know i gave you or whoever it is they gave you the comedy timing while you were filming it and then the editor cuts plays with it it's like no we gave you the timing when we were filming it yes that's what it is exactly to

1:00:35Will Arnett:maintain yeah yeah god it's why wonders are so good because exactly fully intact um but you had you had so much technique and know-how and execution right out of the gate with Booksmart was just like a stunning accomplishment. That must have felt so good.

1:00:53Sean Hayes:The movie's so good. That was your first movie you directed? Yeah. It's insane. It's insane. I think that it really was because my proxy film school, because I didn't go to college, didn't go to film school, and I was always insecure about that lack of education. And I think that being on so many sets as an actor, I just paid attention to everything. And I just tried to absorb it. But yeah, I think Booksmart, I think often your first movie is the one you've been building up for your entire life. And you put all of your ideas into it. And you have so much to give. And you're lucky if it resonates with people.

1:01:35and I got so lucky because it happened to hit, you know, a place in a lot of people's kind of shared trauma of adolescence. Like that's the thing I love about high school movies.

1:01:47Will Arnett:But just the making of it, Olivia, like, you know, and the stuff that you wouldn't have been around to observe and to sort of cherry pick from these great directors, all this post-incredibleness in that film, the editing style, the choice and the use of music and stuff, Like, that's all shit that people usually need, like, a handful of movies under their belt before they really kind of, I don't know. I'm so happy.

1:02:13Sean Hayes:Again, the science of it is you're born with it. You're born with it. Yeah, we're going to cut you open and take a look. You're born with it. Yeah, get in there. I love it. I'm a much better director than actor, but I love acting, too. I don't know about that. But directing, guys, tell me, am I wrong? No, you're wrong. No, I just love it. You paused after you said that. just to leave room. So, Olivia, what's going on when you're not working? Pickleball or what? Oh, no. Should I learn it? Fuck. No. I was in Central Park the other day and they were playing it and someone was playing like Jimi Hendrix the stereo and like everybody was playing pickleball and I was like, what a beautiful hobby that I don't do.

1:02:53But I like to watch.

1:02:55Will Arnett:Yeah. I don't know. What is the hobby someone would be surprised to learn that you've got? Oh, no. It's just us. No one's listening. it's just between us gals

1:03:05Sean Hayes:yeah or the pastime or like the guilty TV or the thing do you have a thing that you do you're like oh my god I can't believe I'm wasting my time doing this I don't really I don't I mean hobbies yeah I mean I feel like I'm really recently it's like I'm working or I'm mothering yeah

1:03:19Will Arnett:what's the dumbest thing that you do because like the directing is like you can't stop thinking because you there's never you've never have it all figured out so like what do you do that requires zero thinking Do you ever just stare at the television and let it just talk to you? Yeah. Yeah. So will you get wrapped up in crap? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I just watched Love is Blind. Oh, God. I just watched Love is Blind. So good. I did four hours of Below Deck yesterday. You did? I did four full hours of Below Deck yesterday.

1:03:50Sean Hayes:I did a 90-day fiancé before the 90 days. I've done a bunch of episodes. Wow. Olivia, any reality at all? I mean, I love Love on the Spectrum. that makes me cry and I love it so much. And no, I mean, I love a housewife but I think that for me, it's like...

1:04:13Will Arnett:Oh, any city on Housewives. I like Beverly Hills but I think that any city will do it for me. But I think that, like, I just watched all of Love Story and I got really into it. That's the Ryan Murphy. That's the Carolina Bissette. Oh, right, right, right, right. I got really into that and it's not quite reality TV, but you still feel like a little, there's something a little guilty pleasure about it.

1:04:38Sean Hayes:I haven't watched that, but the only bummer about that love story to me is that it's made... They die in the end? No, it's made Odeon really busy again in Tribeca. Oh my God, that's... I'm like, oh, these people are coming. What the fuck is going on? Oh, get out of here.

1:04:53Will Arnett:Oh, that's the restaurant we ate at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before we let you go, because we're coming up on the end here. No. This is crazy. Holy shit. Talk to us about another new thing coming up called I Want Your Sex. I do. I Want Your Sex. Right? All right. It is. Got a clip. That is. I want it. That is Greg Araki, who is a real, like, very cool filmmaker, who is a real L.A. filmmaker. He is an auteur and wild. I mean, very, very much an individual. and I play a dominatrix and of course and I you're dominating you're dominating the sweet little Cooper Hoffman you know he doesn't deserve to get whipped he loved it and it is a very very campy fun movie and it was really cool because when we were at Sundance with the invite I Want Your Sex premiered on Friday and the invite was Saturday and I just felt so lucky to be able to be a part of this fun business where we get to tell all these crazy stories and they both got bought magically and so they're coming out right after each other and it's so fun yeah it's like invite and then that so I Want Your Sex comes out July 23rd which is in about 10 days from this air date here and the invite is out now yeah it came out June 26th so June 26th, New York.

1:06:29Will Arnett:That's my birthday. You're not on my birthday, guys. Now you have plans. No, we have plans. I mean, you did have plans. We saw it. Yeah, on my birthday. That was my birthday gift. And you had the best time and everyone laughed so hard. Yes, I loved it. Oh, I'm glad you loved it. Your favorite film? Come on.

1:06:45Sean Hayes:Of all time? You liked the beginning and you loved the middle, but it was the end that got you. Yeah, yeah. She shed a tear. Yeah.

1:06:53Will Arnett:I walked out not dry. And then we're going to all look forward to The Behemoth with Sweet Sweet Willie Arnett coming out sometime next year. Right? At some point. Meanwhile, you're probably hard at work getting ready to direct your next incredible movie. We're all waiting for it. Keep jamming. Please be in it. You're the best. Everyone's ever.

1:07:14Sean Hayes:Can you just give us a hint of what you're working on or area or no? It's a comedy. It's a Christmas comedy. I'm in. I'm already in. I love a Christmas comedy. You should see Sean

1:07:24Will Arnett:play an elf. He did it with Kenny Rogers. He was on the road with Kenny Rogers. Please come be an elf. I'll send myself tape over with real good lighting. I'll actually put myself in a winter wonderland just so you really get it. Oh, yeah, yeah, please. Yeah, yeah. Great.

1:07:36Sean Hayes:What was your line? Santa, I don't know when to hold him or when to fold him. Fold him. That's what it was. That's what it was.

1:07:46Will Arnett:We love you, Olivia. I love you guys. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. What a dream. And congrats on everything. Yeah, super, super congrats. Thank you. Keep going, girl. Thanks. Bye. Talk to you soon. See you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Wow. That's the incredibly charming Olivia Wilde. Love her. With a talent to match. Yeah. You can tell she's funny. She's super funny.

1:08:13Sean Hayes:Super funny. So smart. So, so smart. And so cool.

1:08:19Will Arnett:I'm just so excited that she's directing. and that it's like she could just do it forever. You know? She's incredible. She's got every gear.

1:08:29Sean Hayes:She's got every gear. Writer, director, actor. And they're all working. They're all working, yeah. I know. I'd love to have a gear. It would be nice. A gear. She's got it all. You know?

1:08:41Will Arnett:What are you doing with your life, Will?

1:08:43Sean Hayes:I don't know. I'll tell you what I am doing on October 17th.

1:08:47Will Arnett:What's that, huh?

1:08:48Sean Hayes:Well, if you go to smartless.com slash live, you'll find out what I'm doing. and it has to do with the Hollywood Bowl. Just give us a hint. I'll just say that. I'll just say that. The Hollywood Bowl playing the home. What's happening? I'll say that. Smartless.com slash live has to do with the Hollywood Bowl. What do you mean? And you know what? I'm going to invite you guys. What? Join me.

1:09:06Will Arnett:I'm available.

1:09:08Sean Hayes:Yeah. What are we going to be doing? We're going to do a live Smartless show at the Hollywood Bowl. Smartless.com slash live on October 17th. It's going to be... It's going to be... So it's going to be off the...

1:09:23Sean Hayes:Hollywood Bowl.

1:09:26Will Arnett:Oh, wow. Listen, what we're going to do is we're going to, you know, New York's got the... Okay, here we go. Finally, Jason's got one. New York's got the apple. LA's got the orange. And so what we're going to do is since, you know, the Hollywood Bowl is such a big part of LA, we're going to go ahead and take out of the orange. We're going to take a big bite. That was the worst ever. Smart. Less.

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