"Pete Buttigieg"

28:44Like just who we were hoping to see. And I thought, okay, I hope I'm ready for whatever they're gonna ask because I'm all alone up here. And then they explained, she was super pregnant and they said, well, we're on our way to the hospital. We're gonna have a C-section. And by the time we tell her parents that they're grandparents, I wanna make sure we're actually married. So could you marry us? Wow. Wow. and it's time sensitive. Like now? Yeah, yeah, like right now. So, you know, I don't know everything about their story. And you're like, yeah, I could, but I've assigned all marriages to the zoo, so we got to get to the zoo real quick.

29:21So we did it. Like I went through my drawers and I found like somewhere in there from the last time I did this, I had, you know, a copy of the protocol, the things I was supposed to say. And my staff trickled in while we were putting that together. And I found a piece of pipe cleaner we were able to use just as a makeshift ring. And they ran down and got the certificates and I signed off. Wow. Yeah, but by the time they got married and squared away and then they went off. I mean, was she in labor while you were giving? I'm like, was she like breathing, whatever that is? Like, was she about to go into it?

29:53I'm not sure I would have been able to handle that. Yeah, yeah, that would have been crazy. Now, how does that differ from your first day as transportation secretary? What was that like? What is day one like when you're handling that large department? Well, it's a huge leap. So as mayor at about 1 ,000 employees and about a$300 million organization. So not small, but as secretary of transportation, you've got 55 ,000 employees. You oversee everything from commercial space travel safety to the Great Lawrence Seaway to the Maritime Administration to just so many things. And the budget is the size of a mid-sized country.

30:36It's about$150 billion, or at least it was once we got the infrastructure package through. Wow. That's crazy. So it's pretty daunting. The really daunting thing was it was deep COVID, and I couldn't be in a room with most of my staff. And then, you know, that was the time when the protocols were extremely intense. I got exposed. I was in a room with somebody who had had COVID. and it was decided that I needed to be confined for 14 days just in case. So the first time I participated in an Oval Office meeting, they wheeled a television into the Oval Office so that I could participate by Zoom from this apartment where I was locked up.

31:16Oh, wow. And join remotely. So it was a very strange introduction to the job. It was a very strange introduction to my own team. But, you know, gradually we built a really good chemistry street with a really good team full of public servants. But the irony that you're now the Secretary of Transportation, but you can't go anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And Pete, instead of asking you what we would never know, like what we could never guess about the transportation, like safety, like I don't think I could handle that answer. I don't want to know what I don't know. So I'll just say, what is the most interesting thing that you learned that you could share with us about how it all works?

31:55Because it is kind of fascinating. um yeah i don't want to know about safety stuff i think i wouldn't be able to sleep you want to oh the safety stuff should be reassuring though yeah all right i mean one thing that people don't think about is how incredible of a civilizational achievement uh our overall aviation safety record as a country is there was a terrible crash this year there was 15 years with no fatal crashes Yeah. Wow. And that doesn't just happen, right? I mean, think about what that takes. Right. I wish we had that on auto safety. We don't. Like on the ground, like in cars, we lose more than 100 people a day in this country.

32:32It's one of the big things I worked on. We finally got the numbers starting to go down again on my watch. Are those numbers, are a lot of those numbers still the result of people being intoxicated? Is that... That's still there. Or is it a lot of texting? Both. Yeah, distracted driving is a huge deal. I mean, I cannot... Distracted driving, yeah. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to just put down the phone. Just don't, it can wait. But anyway, the work that goes into making sure people are safe and stuff I never thought about in shipping, like making sure that things that go into packages are safe.

33:07You know, we learned things like there was a cottage industry of custom kind of homemade nail polish, which sometimes is using compounds that were unsafe to put in the mail. Again, not on my bingo card for things I would be dealing with. Wow, right. it was a thing but yeah because can't you mail anything I mean how do they find out not hazardous materials asking for a friend shut up but people that's the thing people don't know like if you're like on Etsy you know selling custom nail polish you don't think of yourself as a person who ships hazardous materials right you think of yourself as a small business and so you know trying to do that without you know over regulating everybody to where nobody can do anything Jason quick do you know what Etsy is she's Sean's cat thank you so much alright Right, Sean's cat.

33:51Cat. My cat. Come here, Etsy. So, Sean, did you get enough of an answer there for a friend about how to properly mule something? What to look for, how they can... No, I always thought that because, you know, like gummies are legal, but you can't mail them. Here we go. Is that right? You know what else I learned a lot about? Fish. Fish. I wound up having to learn more than I thought I would about fish. Why, why? Because a lot of fish, you know, famously swim upstream. And if a road is built through a stream or a river and you don't put the right kind of culvert so the water can go under it, it blocks the fish passage.

34:32And it turns out a lot of roads were built in the 60s and 70s. The culverts either weren't built the right way or they failed over the years. And it was screwing up fisheries, especially in the Pacific Northwest, but this is happening all over the country. And so we started working on fixing it with some of the funds in the infrastructure package. Huge deal for the Pacific Northwest, especially for tribal communities, but also just in general. So I wound up having, you know, I was in PowerPoint briefings on the difference between anadromous fish, which swim upstream, and I think catadromous, I think is the word for the ones that fish go downstream.

35:05And it's not just salmon. I mean, there's a lot of fish-related things that turn out to be at stake. But Pete, you know, like you look at, I've never been to Japan, but everybody I know that's been to Japan is like every street is flawless. Everything is clean. Every like road and it's - Sean, you would love Japan for real. I know, I really want to go. But you go, God, there's Hunt, you just said the budget. Like, how is it, and I can only speak to Los Angeles, every road I drive on has massive potholes all the time. Like what's going on? Yeah, so some of it is you get what you pay for And that's a country that just really invests in its transportation.

35:43But they also have a culture of taking care of things that I think we could learn from. I went there because they hosted the G7, all the transport ministers from the G7 countries get together. And it was their turn to host. And we had this great meeting. But yes, I kind of saw that up close. Got to ride the bullet train and see the front in the bullet train, which is an incredible experience. But there's a culture. Like, you don't eat while you're walking in Japan. A couple of us made this mistake and learned very quickly you're not supposed to do that. Like, you don't just walk down the street with an ice cream cone or sandwich.

36:20Really? Because why? Which is, it's just, you're supposed to stop and eat at a table. And then they give you, if you get something to go, they give you a little bag to put your trash in that you take with you. Wow. That's incredible. Like, you're supposed to look after your own trash. So it's just this, like, culture of cleanliness and taking care of things. that's cool. First of all, I think that it might go beyond, I don't want to go too deep on this, but as a Canadian, it goes beyond a little bit just a culture of cleanliness and it is a culture, there is a thing that is lacking this idea that we have to lift each other up and be responsible to the greater good.

36:56I once said to my dad, and I don't know if I've shared this on the show before, I said, why didn't you move to the States when I was younger? I said, he was a lawyer for many years and he went into business. I said, you could have made way more money. He said, because I have an obligation to the system that brought me up, and he came from nothing. And I don't think that that exists as much in this country. There's much more of a fuck you, I'm getting mine. Which, fine, you know, it is the land of opportunity, but there is, to answer Sean, your question, I think that there is a little bit of that that kind of bleeds into everything.

37:28And you look at, you've seen those videos, Pete, I'm sure, of when they decide to rebuild a bridge, a small bridge in the Netherlands on a highway. It's incredible. And they do it in 48 hours because they don't want to disrupt the whole system. Really? So everybody, they prep, prep, prep, prep, prep. They shut it down and they quite literally build the bridge in 48 hours. That's all hands on deck. Amazing. No, it's incredible. We worked on ways to emulate that. But I think, I half agree with you, but I think there's a deeply American tradition around that too. It's always kind of in a bit of a push-pull with the individualistic tradition, but a lot of the great infrastructure we count on, the aviation system, the highways, are built on that spirit.

38:15And so is the idea of preparing. It was Lincoln who said, give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening my ax. And I think about that a lot because if we apply that to infrastructure, we'd be better off. Hey, I gotta ask, speaking of fathers, there's something I've always wanted, Jason, to ask you about, which is that I once read - Oh, I thought you were going to take a shot at Sean. No, I once read that you are maybe the most prominent Maltese American figure in Hollywood. I was reading about you. That's the country my dad immigrated from. I was kidding. Have you ever been there?

38:49Do you have a connection to Maltese culture? I went there when I was a little kid. Yeah, actually, it's my mother's mother that was from Malta. Okay. And that's where she met her husband, my grandfather, because he was in the British Air Force. Classic, yeah, classic thing that happened a lot in that generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, what an interesting little island out there. Incredibly strategic and rich in history and a great filming location, right? The Great Popeye was shot there. Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was there, I was with a friend and we stumbled onto the set of World War Z.

39:27Oh, wow. Because, you know, it's this - I love that movie. tiny mediterranean country which means it can be made to look like lots of places especially lots of places in the middle east or north africa i think they used it for gladiator um but um they just changed the signs and they could make like i think a lot of the scenes in munich whether it was in lebanon or greece or uh or israel palestine like a lot of that was shot in malta but yeah world war z was going on i didn't know what that was but i was i was walking with a friend and we just suddenly like the signs uh on the like businesses switched to hebrew and there was this overturned tank and we had maybe like wandered past a stanchion and didn't notice because because they were taking a break and then this this bus pulled up and a bunch of zombies got out and uh and it's really unnerving you looked at your drink you know what was really unnerving was not to see zombies but to see zombies acting not like zombies right right extras i think there were maltese extras they were waiting for you know talking casually yeah there's like a zombie smoking a cigarette he's like a zombie like checking his phone there's a zombie with a bottle of water.

40:29That was almost more unsettling than seeing a bunch of people. Then you saw Brad Pitt walk by and you just passed out completely. Yeah, he sadly was not present. Have you been there recently? It's been a few years, but I'm hoping soon to be able to take our kids there because I want to introduce them. I want them to know the one place in the world where their last name is a common name. I want them to meet their cousins. Is that true? Is that quite a couple? Yeah, it's like Smith over there. I mean, there was a statue to Anton Buttigieg, who was the president of Malta and a great poet, and we're not even related.

41:05Wow. That's wild. He was like neighbors with my great-grandparents or something like that. I mean, but it's incredible. It's a fascinating place. It's beautiful and interesting. How old are your kids, by the way, now? They're three. They're turning four this summer. That's great. That's so cool. Boy and a girl, twins. Fun age. That's great. And we will be right back.

41:27and now back to the show hey i want to get back to infrastructure for one second you guys you guys got that huge bill passed and um and got a lot of great stuff started i'm assuming a lot of that stuff is still happening and and and marching forward and and if the answer to that is yes uh are there are is there anything you can talk about that maybe we might not know about that you're super excited about that is still, you know, a couple of years away from being completed, because a lot of these things are obviously long-term builds. But like, you know, you said like bullet train in Tokyo, like stuff like that.

42:03Is that, what's coming down? Yeah, there's a bunch. So we funded about 70 ,000 projects, roughly 20 ,000 of them are done. But yeah, most of them, you know, by their very nature, they take years and years to do. Matter of fact, I drive past one almost every day here in Michigan that I remember signing off on. That's now, actually now everybody's grumbling about it because it's in construction and blocking traffic. But eventually it's going to be great. Redesigning the road there to make it safer. But yeah, there is a high speed, there are a few high speed rail things going on. One I'm excited about is a high speed rail connection from Las Vegas to Southern California.

42:40And it was a public private partnership. We funded it with federal dollars, but there's also a private company bringing a lot of the dollars to the table. and partnering with the state of Nevada to get it done. That, if they hit their marks, it'll be going before the end of this decade and just zip down. A lot of it is actually straight down the median of I-15. That's how they solved the - Really? Yeah, because one of the hardest things when you're building a railroad is to put together the right-of-way, right? To get the land lined up. Yeah, of course. And so there was a big portion where they were able to take advantage of the right-of-way that's already there on the interstate.

43:14So that's one that I'm excited about. How long would that take, do you think, to get from Vegas to LA? I know it's dramatically quicker than driving. I think I got to look it up. But definitely under the, because it's hours and hours. I like the idea of the train of like the one, like going to Vegas, that train is filled with happy, excited people and coming back. It's all somber and hungover. Yeah, you'd rather walk home. Everybody's broke. Totally. No, what excites me is the idea that like instead of going to Japan and coming back and talking about how amazing it would be to have something like that, we'd see that somewhere in the U.S.

43:47Because I think if people experience that somewhere in the U.S., then people are going to want it everywhere. And it's, yeah, I'm looking it up now. It's two hours and 10 minutes is what they're shooting for. Gotcha. Oh, wow, that's pretty good. Did you push forward stuff that we can expect to see a bunch of cars driving around without drivers behind it or trucks without drivers? Is that stuff coming as well? So, yeah, we worked on that. The industry is creating that. that's the private sector. But our job was to kind of work on the policies to make sure it was safe and to try to support some of the pilot programs that were going on.

44:19I actually really believe in the potential of this technology. I know it's spooky for people. You see a car, there's nobody behind the wheel. It's definitely... But as you mentioned earlier about, you know, distracted drivers and stuff, that takes the main cause of danger out of it. Exactly. No, it's definitely possible to envision a future where people are shocked that we drove our own cars yeah right but but i have to say though because i just actually i was just talking to you jay and will at the other day yeah i was talking about waymo which is a self-driving car and i've been in one before but i'm like of course i'm a catastrophic thinker so i think of all the bad parts and all the bad things that could happen so i'm like well this is a terrorist dream to have i mean there's so many scenarios i could come up with i could tell you right now about how to use self-driving cars in a horrible way.

45:08Well, just one. Give us one. Well, maybe you'd be late for a daytime massage. Start there. Imagine that. It wouldn't have, it didn't need to know to put the key in the cup holder. No, you beat how many billions, Pete, how many billions did you guys put towards? Yeah, no, that's the kill switch. You take the key out of the cup holder and then you don't have a problem. Yeah, no, you could. But my thing is, Sean, as I said to you, is like, I'm worried about cars showing up at restaurants with people who have reservations and it shows up at valet as just like a dead person in the back. You know what I mean?

45:38Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they had a heart attack on their way to the world. Yeah, or that. Yeah, or that. Well, I will admit I never thought of that. Yeah. I could think about a million things. You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden. So, Pete, you've got such a, you know, you seem to treasure like we all do our private life. And I would assume that your incredibly accomplished career in public life has made that difficult to maintain. Was that a part, as we all try to battle with it, is that a part that you are comfortable maintaining? Do you guys, do you find the ability to be private or are you guys, because you must get stopped all the time on the street.

46:26Yeah. Is that tough for the kids? Yeah, I definitely think about it differently. It's one thing to take a selfie with somebody at the airport or at a restaurant when I'm just doing my thing. It's another if I feel like somebody might be taking pictures of our kids. Or pretending to be reading an email. Yeah, I'm sure you've had this experience where people go through all kinds of links to look like they're not taking a picture when they're taking a picture. I'm usually pretty oblivious to this. Chastin detects it and then usually takes a picture back at them or teases them about it. Or says, like, I do real loud, did you get it?

47:01Ask for a picture, it's fine. But yeah, obviously you think about those things differently with your kids. But I'll say, like, the community we're in in Michigan is really great, really warm, welcoming, supportive. And they know you're there, so, yeah. And generally, when we're out and about, I mean, people understand that we have a family. But yeah, you think about this differently. You know, they're three, so they're not old enough to really notice or care about, you know, stuff that goes with being high profile right now. but it definitely changes the stakes, I think, for anyone who's in public life who's thinking about what to do next.

47:32Go ahead, John. I was just saying, have you ever heard of a place called Galeen, Michigan? Yeah, yeah. It's a really small town. It's not too far from South Bend, I think. Okay, so it's... You got a timeshare you want to offer? No, Raina, one of my restaurants... Raina lives there. Raina lives... She has a restaurant there called Ray and Al's, and it's one of the greatest restaurants, so you check it out. Oh, good to know. All right. Thank you, caller. Thank you. Good plug for Raina, for Ray and Al's. Well, no, I didn't know if you... What's the name of the town, Sean? Sean, what's the name of the town?

48:00Galeen, Galeen. Galeen. If you're in Galeen, Michigan, go Ray and Al's and say, Rayna, and say hi, say Sean sent you. And you'll get 20 % off. And you'll get 10 % off your appetizers. Exactly, exactly. So listen, you don't have to answer this, but I would love if you ran for president. Yes, please. And then second, is there something, because Jason kind of asked what you're... Well, what are you worried about the most in the future and the near future, and what are you most hopeful about? Well, obviously, like, politically, I think my worries about the political scene here are, I imagine, pretty obvious.

48:34I'm concerned about the things that are happening to freedom in this country. And I've been very outspoken about that. I'm also very concerned about what could happen with AI. And I don't just mean, like, the extinction scenarios and all the crazy stuff. I'm talking about something a little closer to home, and I think quicker than people realize, which is how many jobs are at risk. Stuff that we thought would happen in like 100 years and it could happen by the end of this decade and just really, really profoundly changing everything. Pete, we were having a discussion about this the other day because we were talking about the idea of bringing manufacturing back to the US, which we all could agree would be fantastic, right?

49:15If we could create more jobs, jobs that were lost over decades and decades. And a lot by, and by the way, a lot of those jobs were farmed out and sent over there by the very same people who were saying, hey, what the hell? How did we do this? Well, we didn't do it. You guys did it because it was saving you a lot of money. However, we can all agree it would be fantastic to bring more jobs. There's no argument there. But one of the things we were talking about the other night is this idea that now, and you brought it up, AI, when you combine that with advancement in robotics, we have the potential to really decimate the workforce here in this country on a pretty massive scale.

49:53And as you pointed out, quite quickly. Yeah, and not just manufacturing workers or warehouse workers. We're talking about doctors, lawyers, investors. Like it's, you know. Yes, all of it. I mean, Hollywood was ground zero for some of this, right? With the writer's strike. And that shows just how big a range of people are impacted. But that brings me to maybe the hope side, which is I think if we get it right, there's also enormous potential here. But like our politics has to be lined up the right way and we have to line up our economy the right way. And what I mean by that, I'm going to take the example of self-driving cars, right?

50:23There's all kinds of nightmare scenarios. There's also a chance to eliminate one of the leading causes of death in this country, which is the kind of murderous track record of human drivers. We lose 40 ,000 people a year. And more generally, like the same AI systems that could cause huge disruption could also help us cure cancer and solve climate change and all these other things. I think the biggest question is, do we have a political system that makes sure that the enormous wealth that's being created by this technology flows through to the people? Or does it get concentrated? Oh, for sure we do, Pete.

50:57I'm not worried about that at all. Okay, well, I'm glad you're not worried. No, no, no, no. I'm really excited about, are you guys excited about the new robotic AI version of Will & Grace? How good would that be? Hey, everybody, it's just Jack. It's me, it's just Jack. We already saw it. But Pete, when you say flowing back through the people, would that be in the shape of perhaps training the workforce that would be without a job to better transition into a job that is available maybe through the advancements? I just mean money, actually, like a dividend. Because, you know, remember the taxpayer created a lot of this value.

51:39Like the internet was literally a federal research project in the 60s funded by the American taxpayers. So to me, it's only fair that Americans see more of the income generated by it. But also the thing with training is this isn't just about getting people their income back. I've seen this where I come from in the industrial Midwest. Somebody's been working in a machine shop for 18 years. And then that machine shop is closing down. And they come along and say, well, do this retraining program. Same education. You get the same income. You just got to be a nurse's aide. And that's a perfectly worthy job.

52:12but this guy does not, that job wasn't just his income. That was his identity. And if you're not speaking to that, then we're gonna have all kinds of social upheaval as we already are, but it's gonna get worse. So then what would be the answer then? You know, getting back to your point about maybe training for transitioning into another available occupation, if that occupation is not aligned with somebody's passion or dreams or identity, what would the answer then be to how to use the newfound funds? Well, I think, and again, I think some of the funds should just directly, we should have a tax structure where those funds are directly flowing to people more.

52:47But in terms of what we do, I think we as a society don't know what to do with ourselves sometimes if we're not putting it all into our jobs. And I'm somebody, you know, I'm guilty of that. Like I have meaningful work and I've thrown myself into my jobs. And that can be a very good thing. But there's so many other sources of meaning that can be connected to service. they can be connected to a lot of things that used to be considered maybe more conservative coded but i think i think my party should pay more attention to them like like family and faith uh that that can bring meaning to a lot of people um local involvement like shaping your community like things where human uniquely human skills are absolutely needed that we could show more regard for like as an economy and a society we don't show a lot of regard for uh the work that goes to parenting.

53:36We definitely don't compensate that kind of work properly. Same thing with service. I mean, right now they're cutting AmeriCorps as we record this. They're cutting all kinds of service things that actually in a world where AI generates more of the value and productivity, like we could, you know, a lot of people could have a shorter work week, more money in their pockets, and a chance to do things in their community that would absolutely be a source of pride and meaning. And I want to live in that kind of society. Well, Pete, I made that, and I was quite flippant about it when I made the comparison to Canada and the US in terms of a sense of social consciousness.

54:14Because I do agree with you. I do agree that there is a long history of it in this country and that there is still a vein of that. I think that we've been maybe potentially distracted is the word that I'll use. And maybe in certain areas, gotten off the path and focused more on our differences and also focus more on ourselves. But I think you're right. I think that if potentially we can all start, and I mean all of us, I mean me too, if we can all start thinking about somebody, we're so hung up on our own condition. And if we could start thinking about other people, it's a really simple concept that if you think about somebody else and you think about helping somebody else, you actually, your own situation improves immediately.

54:54Well, it does, your own situation does improve because it changes your vibration to sound too woo-woo. I totally agree with all that. That's absolutely true. And being of service is super, super important. And if everybody did it a little bit, the shift would be absolutely... I know, but how do you get people to do it? I don't know. Put a little incentive there. Yeah. I mean, if you boil it down, if you're feeling bad, just on a day-to-day, if you wake up today, if I feel bad today, if I go out and do something for somebody else, I will immediately alleviate that and raise my own vibration. Again, it sounds very woo-woo.

55:33I'm not woo-woo that way. Well, is this something that you're tracking on your Oura Ring on the app itself? Jason, this concept is tougher. Doing something for somebody else, how would I, let me look at it. Talk slower, please. Do pictures. Pictures are better. Pictures are better. Pete, before we let you go, I would love to hear from you who, if you could travel back in time, who would you love to sit down, have a coffee with to get some tips from on how to address this, I guess I shouldn't say uniquely challenging situation where we find ourselves in because we seem to cycle through moments like this.

56:08But who would you love to talk to right now? Well, I can definitely imagine, and I was maybe a little obvious to the point of cliche, but I can picture like, if I get to have a coffee with Abraham Lincoln and I'm saying like, look, our country's divided. It's public. He says, oh, you think your country's divided? Wow. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. You know, I mean, he was in charge when half of the country broke off and declared war against the other half, mainly for the purpose of being able to continue enslaving people, right? So for a little perspective around our problems, I think he would be a really good person to talk to.

56:39Right. And also somebody who was unflappable in so many ways. And like for somebody who has the ambition to become a president and a wartime president, surprisingly low ego. there's a famous anecdote where one of his generals was getting out of hand and and his advisor said you got to cut this guy down to size and he said i would i would hold his horse if he could win uh this this battle for me and just attributes that i would like to see a little more of so i know i know it's a lot of this but um i i know it's a good like in the political space i can't think of somebody you'd more want to consult than lincoln no it's a good answer and i asked i had asked sean about a week ago that same question he get you know he said he'd like to sit down Chef Boyardee.

57:22What? Yeah. Really? You just said a nice meal? How did he come? How did dad? Number two, the Colonel. Yeah. Number two, the Colonel. Yeah, absolutely. How do you make it? And then Ronald McDonald. So listen. Pete, thank you so, so much for coming on and making us. Yes, don't ever stop talking and going on these shows. I mean, it's just, you're just amazing and thank you for all that you do. Hey, thanks for having me. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah. All right, looking forward to seeing more of you in the very near future, if you know what I mean. I'll be out there. Thank you. Okay, good. I'll be around.

58:01See you later. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thanks. Love to you and Chastin and the kids, too. Yes. Thanks so much. Okay, bye. Bye. Take care. I felt weird calling him Pete. I know, me too. Who started? Did you start calling him Pete? I think I did. It came out by accident, and I felt like that was maybe disrespectful. No, was it? I don't think he would have minded. I have had dinner with him a couple times. Secretary Buttigieg, is that what we should have said? Mr. Secretary? Mr. Secretary. Well, but he's not that anymore. No, but I think you get to carry that forever. Oh, you do? Okay.

58:36I don't know. As a coach. Sean, will you write him something nice and apologize for us? Yeah, apologize for us. And just say that you had started it, and you feel bad that the other guys... Could you mail it with some hazardous materials just to test his theory out? Just to test his theory. By the way, I didn't want to say anything, but I put my hand in my pocket during that interview, and I still have two peanut M &Ms in it. Oh, my. What, from last night's rave? No, tonight, this morning, I put them in there. Oh, God, because you... Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. It's 10.30 in the morning.

59:07You put two peanut M &Ms in before 9.30? Yeah, I did. Just in case you're thinking, well, maybe I can earn these at some point today? Yeah. No, I had a bunch of them, and I ate them all, but I thought I ate them all, and there's two left in there. What time did you have your first M &M today? Nine, nine, a little after nine. What's the matter with you? Did that come out of the candy bowl there in the living room? Yes, you know it very well. You know, you won't eat them if you don't have a candy bowl. Wait, can you write that down? Yeah. How often do you go to the dentist? I just went yesterday.

59:37And? Everything's great. It's not like I don't brush. I don't eat candy and then close my mouth. Do you floss? Yeah, every day. Truly. I do every single day. Why wouldn't? And that's morning or night? I do morning. And if I ate something, like a steak or something that gets between your teeth, I do like, I'll do another floss. I'll do a second floss. And you do the little swords or do you do the old school? No, I can't do the swords because they make your gums bleed because you put them down so hard. You know what I mean? Well, why don't you be nicer to yourself and you won't bleed? But you don't have a choice because you got to get it in there.

1:00:09They're not as good as actual floss either. That's right. They're good in a paint. You can control the floss, you know. Yeah. But they're a cheat and they're not as good and it makes you a lesser person. Weren't we just talking about the Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, and now I brought us into floss? I apologize. How great is he? By the way, you both asked all the questions I would have wanted to ask. And he didn't answer the thing about the president. I mean, do you think he'll run? Well, you didn't ask him. You said I want you to. We didn't want to ambush him. That's right. It's too early.

1:00:40That's right. I just kind of glazed over it, but I wonder. You didn't ask him for any theater stories. I didn't ask him for anything. You know what I liked about him? He speaks very soberly, and I do like the idea that he goes on and he goes on to other shows. He goes on to shows across the political spectrum, and I think that's really important because, as you both know, we all have a lot of people in our lives, friends and family, who live across that same political spectrum. Right. And we all find ways to meet in the middle and talk about stuff, and we all want the best for each other, And I like the idea that he goes and he does that very same thing.

1:01:16I don't feel as divided as a lot of people do from the people on other ends of the spectrum. I think it's important that we all continue to talk because we're all in this together. That's right. Yes. I agree. And he checks a lot of boxes that you'd think would please both sides. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And there are a lot of things that make sense that a lot of people say, you know, and sometimes the message is harder for people to digest. Jess and I get, or not the message, the delivery and the approach. But, you know, we do have a lot of stuff that's common ground. And JB, I know you're looking for a buy.

1:01:48He has a nice way about him. He does have a really nice way about him. Nice way about him. Yeah, he does. Very nice speaking voice on him. Yeah, he does. And I meant it when he says he takes the contention out of it, right? He's like, I'm not here to argue. I'm just here to talk and, you know, let's all feel like we're getting... Sean's thinking of a... One of you is thinking of a buy. Oh, yeah, he's doing a massive Google search right now. I mean, this is unbelievable. You know what? I think up a lot of them in between, like during the week, and then I forget them. That's a good story. You should open with that.

1:02:19You know what? A bison, I heard, would be a good one to work in. We've done that a million times. It's such a stupid thing that we're doing. You've been saying it's stupid since day one. But every single time we get to it, it's insane to me. And now it's just ironic, you know, that we're doing like, Like, it's so dumb that we just decided, well, it's so dumb. Let's just still do it. Yeah. Should we not? So you don't want to do it? By the way, we don't have to think of a word. We could just say goodbye. Well, yeah. How would you wrap this thing up without? I have one that would work perfectly for him.

1:02:52I would say you just make your situation. Listen, we're in a situation that you don't like. And you feel you don't like that we're in this situation. And Jason, I'm going to put it in golf terms. I'm going to put it in golf terms. Oh, that's great. You want to change it. so sometimes you hit you hit a good drive and you go down the middle of the thing but you know it's a little bit and you know what you can always do you can always improve your life

1:03:17no not cutting it okay I was gonna say I was gonna say wait it's right there it's right there he's Pete Buttigieg he was in he was in office he was he reached across the aisle he was very he was very very bipartisan bye see you next week Smart Less.

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