"Timothy Olyphant"

11:43Sean Hayes:Don't put them on the spot. Go ahead. Oh, there's nothing better than listening to Actors Bitch. Come on. It's the name of my book. Don't be afraid to bitch and other tips for young actors. Well, it's so hot. Look at us, this group here, you know what they call it? Like a murderer of crows and like a flock of seagulls. You got a little complaint of actors.

12:02Will Arnett:He doesn't have the air conditioning of the Warner Brothers lot down there. Listen, I'm with you. I'm getting to my bitch, bitching, which is, when we were there, it was quite magical. It's hot, but it was a magical, crazy, amazing place. And the more you're there, the more you need to know it, the more you like it. And at the same time, you're like, I hope I don't want to come back. so for season two they say we're not please don't go back and they said no we're not going to go back we're going to go to either London or Budapest and no offense to but I was like oh please London London right London and then you get the call from your agent says hey good news season two London and I was like can't shoot in LA yeah yeah yeah it goes that quick that quick it's like fuck I gotta I gotta right so what what is that what's your process of thought like getting comfortable with that like it is we are we are vagabonds right like you you start the process very quickly okay I'm gonna be spending five months in a foreign land in a hotel or rent a place or whatever it's like you immediately start thinking about you know logistics do you have a wife and children that are you gonna have to figure out or whatever, your whole life at home is all upended.

13:23Will Arnett:Start to bitch about that for me. The wife and children? Yeah. Well, you can start there. But just getting uprooted and stuff again. 35 years of marriage this summer. Oh, that's great. Seven really good ones. Sure, sure. So, right now we're empty nesters.

13:45Sean Hayes:Yeah. Okay. You guys are not, none of, no. I'm half empty. Jason's half. I got one more year until my first one goes to college. Yeah, so they just leave you. So just so you know. Like if I did it again, I wouldn't have gotten so close.

14:00Will Arnett:Yeah, that's serious. I've talked about it before. I think I tried to pick fights with my older one. Yeah, just so it wouldn't hurt so bad. Does she, your oldest? Yeah, she's 19, but she ended up going to school in town. So it didn't hurt quite as bad. Oh. did she just become like weeks before leaving just like who is this fucking devil that's taking over my child right yeah well no she's she's a lot of uh you know as they do at that age they spend a lot of time outside the house so it's not it's not as somebody smart once said you're not losing your 10 year old you know like their their their wings are flapping well before they they yeah and

14:40Sean Hayes:she's a particularly good kid i will say she's a really nice kid she's a good kid but yeah there's Tom Poppins, I think it's him, has a joke that when your kids leave, nobody prepares you how hard it's going to be to pretend to be sad.

14:59But even the best kids, they tend to act up right before they leave, right? They tend to be like, they got to. Yeah, it's part of their emancipation. Yeah, it makes it easier to leave.

15:08Sean Hayes:Yeah, so you're getting ready to go to London and you've got to switch it all up. You've got to kind of start to prep. I'm about to do the same for six months to Atlanta, and I'm like, every day I think about, how's that going to go?

15:20Will Arnett:How's that going to go? Wait a second. Hold on. We're breaking news here. No, Willie's got a big job. It's super exciting. No, but anyway, six months. Six months in Atlanta. Yeah. Well, how come I don't know about this yet?

15:32Sean Hayes:Because you're not on my call sheet. I mean, I'm looking at it right now.

15:35Will Arnett:Can't you just like hit me with a memo or something?

15:38Sean Hayes:But so like that, you know what that, we've done it before. So you know what that's like. It's hard. So you're getting ready to go too. and overseas. What's the hardest part for you? It's always the transition, right? I don't know. You tell me. Once you're there, I feel like it's always lovely. Yeah.

15:53Will Arnett:It is, yes. But if you've got, like, Will's got kids back at home, so they're not going to be able to be with you. I forget. Yeah. I didn't, I was very fortunate. I got so lucky, I mean, partly by design and partly just because I failed at getting jobs. But I more or less got to work and live in L.A. for the majority of my kids. Was justified in L.A.? I literally had Deadwood for three years and then justified for, I think it was six, and then I did this thing, Santa Clarita Diet, for a couple. Oh, yeah. They all shot here. In Santa Clarita, I'll bet. They were all in Santa. I basically lived, yeah.

16:34I thought I was in show business. But even in town, aren't you like, I can't wait to get home? Oh, yeah. By the way, even in town, you're like, I got to go to the Valley? Yeah.

16:44Sean Hayes:That's what the real complaint is. Why can't I shoot at the Fox lot? My kids were small. It was great. I'd just show up to work to take naps. So when my kids were really small, I was like, look, I'd just go to work so I'd get some sleep. Yeah. I know. We used to have an office. Jason would complain that I didn't want to go to my office. And then I had another office for my company. And I'd go there and I'd show up and see my partner. And I'd be like, hang on a second. and I'd go in, shut the door, and I'd get on the couch and take a nap on my couch. Oh, God, Will. I know, because I'm tired. I know, Angel.

17:16Sean Hayes:I was tired, man. I know. You know, dude, in my intro, I started going through your credits, and I was going to say at the top, you have so many credits. You've done so much stuff of such variety. It's insane, man. I mean, you were like, you're so unbelievably versatile, and when you started as an actor, well, first, you were born in Hawaii and that you were raised in California. But when you started, when you were first a young actor, did you have like a particular lane you thought you wanted to go in? Because you've eliminated the lanes. All the dotted lines evaporated for you a long time ago on whatever road you're on.

17:56Well, you're very kind, first of all. And by the way, back at you, because I just saw literally just a few nights ago, is this thing on? that's the title right

18:06Sean Hayes:what a lovely lovely performance isn't he great lived in and present that lovely thing where you're like this just must be what he's like and obviously your comedic work is off the charts he's got it all it was really just a lovely beautiful lived in performance

18:29Will Arnett:Sean wasn't terrible in it either Sean was delightful Which one were you? I was either Stephen or Robert Or Jeffrey Now that I look at you I'm like yeah you were there You guys all have this by the way You guys all have the crazy range Sean you're like In Will and Grace you're like doing Physical comedy At like the ultimate level of effortlessness And then you're on stage Doing like this incredible dramatic work Well thank you Everybody's really good Jason, you also, you do the acting and you do the voiceovers. Oh, you are an actor. It's huge. You are an actor. You go from both. You are an actor.

19:09Sean Hayes:Right, right, right. Now that I see you again, I'm looking at you. This is amazing. I remember you from the Ozarks. Everybody's really amazing. Right. So, but, but, but sort of back to my question and I don't know, I kind of, actually, you know what I'm going to say to all of you guys, but, but Timothy, I want to hear from you first because I listen to these ding-dongs all the time. Did you, when you started, did you, were you like, because I remember I moved to New York. I'll start I wanted to be a dramatic actor I thought because I didn't know any better I didn't know anything about comedy or how you get to it or it wasn't even so I was like I want to be a dramatic actor did you have that were you like I want to be taken seriously I want to do important stuff you know the stuff that we as young men think

19:48Will Arnett:you don't think acting is comedy you think acting is drama yeah right again memory is not a reliable narrator here but my favorite actors were actors who gave comedic dramatic performances. They're just, that's what I, you know, I always felt like De Niro knew he was being funny in those roles, even the most dramatic roles. He must have known, right? He must, when he's doing Taxi Driver, he knows that's funny, right? Right, right, right. Doesn't he? There's some moments.

20:21Sean Hayes:For sure. I wonder, I wonder, that's a good question. He must. Right, I always, I just assume when he's doing that, you talking to me, he knows that that's comedic timing that's happening there, right? Yeah.

20:32Will Arnett:Well, did you see him in King of Comedy? Exactly, right? Yeah, I mean, it's just incredible, incredible acting performance. So when he did comedy and some people were like, I don't know, wow, who knew he could do comedy? I was like, raise my hand. I was like, well, I think it was there from the beginning, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, you don't... I still, I feel like Will Ferrell. Oh yeah, Will, but like that... Will Ferrell's playing these eccentric characters that are funny because they're eccentric, but it takes great acting chops to be believably eccentric. And I think this is the flip side, which is the best comedic performances are really dramatic.

21:03Sean Hayes:I think the through line is always it's commitment. Yeah. Right? And so you're committed. You know, as long as you're committed to the bit, whether it's dramatic or comedic, you have to be committed. Jason, to your thing, like you can never wink, which is why when you see people who are doing stuff, when they're too aware, then you're like, okay, I don't buy it as much. But if somebody's committed to the thing, you recognize that it's feeling authentic. And then one of the funniest things, I think, is when people commit to being non-committal. You know, like when you do really bad acting on purpose.

21:41That's one of the funniest. I love that. You know, when you see somebody doing bad acting. Or saying for real? Yeah, like saying for real.

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24:24And now, back to the show.

24:27Sean Hayes:Timothy, do you know Sing For Real? No. You have this thing, Thoreau came up with it years ago, which is, it's so embarrassing. Yeah, it makes your skin crawl. So, like, if you're driving in the car with a friend or whatever, a song comes on the radio, and if you say to the other person, sing for real, they have to sing that song, and they can't do any, like, say it's like Satisfaction by the Stones. You can't do, like, ah, I can't. Like, you can't put anything on. you have to do it as real as possible. Yeah, and it's really uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. It makes your skin crawl.

24:58Like if I had, we did it in the documentary too, but I had Will do it in the car one time and I couldn't even look at him. It was so, I could, it was horrible.

25:08Will Arnett:It's the worst feeling. Like driving with your pants off. Yeah. And you're, it's funny you said satisfaction because I don't think of that as being like singing it for real. But it is, no matter what, you really are saying, like this fucking man comes on the radio, you're, right? And telling you how white your shirts can be and he can't be a real man. Like you're in it. Yeah, sing for real satisfaction. Sing it totally real right now. No. Yeah. Don't make him do it. Do me? Yeah. You have to do it. Go. Stop doing it. God, I have to do that shit, Timothy.

25:41Sean Hayes:It's so rough to do it. See, because you just thought about it. You just thought about it. You're like, I can't do it. I can't do it. I'm looking at Will, and I'm thinking I have to do it based on that reaction. Anything not to do it.

25:52Will Arnett:You can't. Give me some lyrics. I just know, look, this is not singing, though. I don't know. Okay, I can't sing. Let's start there. You can't do like a Mick Jagger impersonation. No, you can't. You have to do it. You have to sing for real. I can do. No, you can't. You have to sing it like you're recording it for real. You have to do it. Okay. So I just was listening to this yesterday, and if I'm not mistaken, had I not said, when a man comes on the radio, tells me useless information. Is the guy on the radio giving the useless information or is he telling him how white his shirts can be?

26:26Sean Hayes:Come on, everybody. Who's telling him how white his shirts can be and who's telling him useless information just to drive my imagination? Let me see.

26:36Will Arnett:It's the DJ. He's yelling at the DJ. Drive my imagination.

26:40Sean Hayes:When I'm driving in my car And the man comes on the radio Tells me how white my shirts can be About some useless What? What does he say there? God damn it No, no, no, it's later Hang on, hang on Oh, you're right, hang on Here we go I just love My favorite thing about this song, by the way Yeah Is that he's Mick at one point says Because he's on a losing streak And I just love the idea that Mick Is having a hard time with the You know, like he was having a tough time and that guy was really getting under his skin because he was, right? Yeah, let's be real. Listen, he wrote it. I'm convinced as much as that guy sometimes seems like a character.

27:20That guy's never been on a losing streak. I know, but he's got some depth, buddy. I think there's some vulnerability there. Those songs are too good. Right. I always wonder about people who write love songs

27:32Sean Hayes:and stuff about heartbreak and then they're like, did they have this much heartbreak always? Or like, what are they drawing on? I don't know. Anyway. No one with a happy childhood ever went into show business, buddy. Was your family in a show business? Higher? No. Was your family in a show business? Yeah, where'd the acting bug come from? Yeah, how did that happen? When had that happen? It just was late. It was a hunch. I mean, yeah. Just for you. Nobody else in the family. I thought this would be good. If this doesn't work out, I got the ceramics to fall back on. But where were you? Where were you geographically when you went, you woke up that morning and you had the hunch, you listened to the hunch, you went, I'm going to be an actor.

28:14All right. I'll tell you the chances of me keeping this short or slim, but here we go. I'm going to try. One, I will say that when I was a kid, I really had a whole idea, fantasy of being in like show business or in comedy. And when I'd say, I want to do that, like Steve Martin or something. And my mom, God bless her, she would always say things like, you don't want to be like them. They're like on drugs and divorced. You don't want that life. You know, they're all divorced. By the way, cut to years later, I was like, you're divorced? What the fuck? Grew up in Modesto. Are you on drugs? We're in Modesto.

28:57Oh, you grew up in Modesto. Yeah, so I grew up in Modesto. And then I went to college in LA. I went to USC. I was a fine art major. because I always drew as a kid. And when I found out that was a major, I was like, you know, I thought I was getting away with murder. Couldn't believe it let me do it. I didn't know that that was a thing.

29:15Will Arnett:Like you could draw. So you have a degree in drawing. They give you a degree for that. Yeah, yeah. You have one. I went to, I got one, like just, I finally got that a few years ago. So you didn't finish. But I did four years, but I didn't get my degree until, you know, just a little bit ago. Ah, ah, ah. It was great.

29:34Sean Hayes:I'll need to hear more about that and then USC actually gave me the honor it sounds like you bought it on the black market the way you're talking about it by the way I think it was like anything it was like one of those COVID things and my kids were getting ready to get their degrees and I was like this is the time to do it it was either a strike or a COVID and I went back and finished up you went back to USC and then they gave me the honor to go at USC and worked with the same professor It was a lovely experience. Wow. The great Ruth Weisberg, who was my professor when I was there, and she still teaches.

30:12That's wild. She and I got to do an independent study with her. It was wonderful. And then I got to go speak at the graduation ceremony for the fine art and all that, which I thought was hilarious because all those kids had accomplished in four years what took me like 32. And I was there to give them advice.

30:36Will Arnett:What were you thinking that fine art degree was going to afford you career-wise? Like what do all these kids, what do you take that into? Like graphic design and... Well... Because one of my daughters, that's her jam. She's really gifted as an artist. My eldest daughter is actually a student at SC right now. Okay. And she's loving it. Absolutely. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So should I encourage the 14-year-old to continue drawing? Were there options explained to you there at the school? Well, first of all, of course you encouraged her to do what she loves doing. Yeah, Jason. I'll beat it out of her.

31:16Will Arnett:If it's not lucrative, goddammit, I'll teach you not. She's going to become a coder and learn Mandarin. Fuck. you know yeah what else are you going to do right keep going honey what's your going to code so here's what I understand now if kids who get like a bachelor of fine arts they just still have so many different directions they can go and they're thinking and to some degree I think they're very attractive in whatever workforce because they were kind of just thinking outside the box all the time and being creative once someone gets their masters they're going to be like they're going to be an artist yeah yeah yeah

31:55Sean Hayes:Okay, gotcha. Sean, what's your degree in? My degree is I never graduated, but I got an honorary doctorate in music. Yeah. Oh, you never graduated? No. This is breaking news. You have buried the lead on this for a long time.

32:10Will Arnett:I went four years as well, and then I got an honorary doctorate. I didn't graduate high school, so you guys got me beat. Yeah. Right. It doesn't show. No one's ever said it. It doesn't show. It does not hurt you. Sometimes it does.

32:21Sean Hayes:It just starts drooling. You're doing great. You are doing great. But wait, so you get this degree from USC in fine arts and drawing, and you're like ready to start, you know, drawing stuff or tagging bridges or doing something. And then you go, at the end of all of that, you go, you know what? So what, you're in L.A., and you're like, I want to be an actor? Like, how did that? I do think I had a certain amount of conscious thinking that I was wanting to put off a midlife crisis. That I was like... Whoa. Yeah, I really did. I was like, I think my parents were split and they were, my dad was going through his, and I just thought, that doesn't look fun.

33:07And, you know, there's always, you know, oh, I always wanted to do this, but I never did it, so it became this. So I was considering going to get my master's in fine arts. it's really kind of what I wanted to do you know like when grandparents and stuff would ask you that degree what are you going to do with it at first you're like I want to be an artist and that you see the expression on their face and then you start saying or I could do commercial work you talk about all the things you could do but I really just wanted to be an artist and you know it was like going to galleries and like you know in LA and museums and Chris Burden and Baldessari, all these people were big inspirations.

33:53But there was a bunch of things I always wanted to try that were on my mind. Like I knew I always wanted to do stand-up. I always thought about it would be fun to be an actor. I thought, oh, it'd be great to be in a band, you know, things like that. And I thought I should try to cross all these off before moving forward.

34:14Will Arnett:Those all take a great deal of courage, though. Well, what doesn't? Well, yeah, well, I mean, certainly standing up in front of an audience all alone with a microphone is sort of the zenith of balls. Yeah, I was thinking of that on your movie. I felt like they captured this thing that no one prepares you for when you do stand-up, which is the moment you step on, the silence that you're created by is just real quiet. It's terrible. It's so quiet. No one tells you it's going to be that quiet before you say a word.

34:47Sean Hayes:Like the healthy respect I had for stand-ups and what they do before was huge. And then it was just magnified the first time. I remember the first time going down at this comedy cellar. And I was doing it. I was getting introduced as my character, as Alex Novak. But I remember the first time going up there and trying to go up as a guy who had never done it before as well. I remember Bradley saying to me, like, we're doing something different. Don't try to rely on tricks. You have to go up and do this as this dude who's never done it. and going up there and standing there fucking, you're like, you just feel like it's so quiet and you feel like, oh my God, I'm about to fall off a cliff here.

35:27Yeah.

35:28Sean Hayes:And it's just, it's the best and the worst at the same time. It's simultaneously just like the most terrifying. So yeah, stand-ups, what they do is just like, fuck, man. Like round of applause.

35:38Will Arnett:And you tried it, Timothy? Yeah, I did it for a little while. Right around the corner from a comedy cellar in New York was a place called Boston Comedy Club, didn't I? Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, you did, huh? Yeah, yeah, I did. Do you still remember some of the jokes? I'll tell you some of mine. Oh, Sean has a really famous first opening joke.

35:56Sean Hayes:Sean's got a great opener. Yeah, it's a great opener. Go ahead, Sean. You've already asked me to sing. He's told it before, but Timothy, just respond to this joke. Sean, this relationship is like, hey, Tim, sing for us. Hey, Tim, tell us some jokes. Yeah, perform for us, monkey. He'll keep whipping you like a monkey. Sean, why don't you whet the appetite? Here we go. My opening joke was, you know, they say ballet is one of the most difficult things to do, so I just say don't do it. Oh, fuck. And that's the joke, Timothy. So, I mean, that's it. Never gets good. No, never gets old or funny. By the way, Will, I appreciate you calling me Timothy, but you know, you can call me Tim.

36:32Sean Hayes:Can I call you Tim? I didn't know people call you Tim. Sean, you as well. Okay, great. Bateman? Not, not so much. You're close. You're close. Do you guys know each other a little bit? Do you guys have... We worked together for a smidge.

36:47Will Arnett:Not as this thing on. This is Where I Leave You. Close, close, close entitled.

36:52Sean Hayes:This is Where I Leave You. And you remember, because by the way, I'm at Trapikia's office. That's where I am. Oh, are you really? Yeah, I needed a computer. I guess you can't do your show if you don't own a computer. Do you not own a computer? No, I don't, it turns out. Come on. I didn't realize that.

37:08Will Arnett:but how fucking rad is that? Let's start there. Well, I mean, I got like a, you know, I got a phone and I got a thing. That's all you got to do. We're backing up. We're starting from here. I don't buy it. You don't have, and you being an artist, you don't have an iPad with one of those little, one of those little stylus pen thingies? No. Wait, Tim. You don't have a laptop at all? You don't have a laptop at all? You don't have a laptop at all? Fucking baller. Wait, you really truly don't have a computer? I don't. Well, let me, because I think honestly, He's very important in this. Sure. Thank you.

37:39Will Arnett:Thanks for not lying. We went and got out a old desktop computer that we still have in the house and plugged it in and started it up. And they were all USB things. And I was like, I don't think I can, it won't, I need to get adapters and stuff.

37:55Sean Hayes:Just for the purposes of doing the podcast you tried to do. For doing this, yeah. There's a lot of sacrifices that went into this, guys. And don't get me wrong. I appreciate it. I'm super honored. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm a big fan. I listen. I don't listen, but I read the transcripts and it shows very, very good.

38:11Will Arnett:It's better in written form. The chemistry comes across in the print.

38:14Sean Hayes:I remember getting a note from our producer saying we're going to be producing transcripts for Tim Oliphant and we're mailing them to him every day.

38:23Will Arnett:But wait, but Tim, you've never been tempted to buy a laptop or a desktop just to see the landscape out there. What's going on. Like all the different sites you can go visit to expose yourself to... Felt a little...

38:39Sean Hayes:Jason goes on a lot of sites and exposes himself is what he's trying to say.

38:46Will Arnett:Hey, gang, ever seen one of these?

38:49Sean Hayes:Hey, gang. Hey, gang. Wait, wait, wait. This is so dope that you don't have a laptop. Jason has 100 laptops. They're all brand new just to look at baseball scores.

38:59Will Arnett:All this talk about AI and stuff. Not curious to see what the fuss is about? But you can do all that on little phones. I guess you can, but you're always spreading and spreading and clicking and spreading.

39:12Sean Hayes:Don't do your fingers like that. Stop doing that. It's spreading and sliding.

39:16Will Arnett:It's just like, uh-uh.

39:18Sean Hayes:How about Chris Nolan doesn't even have a phone? I'm like, oh, so jealous. I know one or two people without a phone. It's the most exciting relationship. If you know someone without a phone and you're like, all right, so we're meeting at dinner at 7 tomorrow, tomorrow and then on the way there you're like this is i i so excited it's like being in high school rolling the dice they said they'd be here remember remember we're old enough remember like being teenagers and being like hey so you'll run into people you'll go well let's do something and you had to go there and then and then you'd run into maybe they were there and maybe they were there and see them in the next place where were you and the night would unfold if you go out at night the night would just kind of unfold the way it was going to unfold well what about directions

40:02Will Arnett:What about, remember when you used to have a map, a map book, the Thomas Guide, or even one of those fold-out maps? Or just a sheet of paper with a list of directions. Are you gonna turn left on such and such, then go a mile, then turn right on such and such? Or you had to ask people for directions. You know what's embarrassing? Embarrassing about having a friend without a phone as you're going to meet them. Let's say it's a seven o 'clock, you're meeting them at dinner. You realize that we oftentimes are like, like hey on my way out the door ETA 705 and then it's like parking like you're literally giving the play-by-play on the way there yeah it's when you don't have that option you realize how embarrassing that is but you do you do have a phone I have a phone yeah you do have a phone

40:50Sean Hayes:all right how about this I was talking about this the other day with people how about when you have plans, even with somebody you do want to see, and they go, can't make it, and the relief of not having to go to something is so great when somebody bails. They're like, hey, I can't make it, and you're like, oh, no problem, and you're thinking like, oh, God, I get to stay home. Found time. It's money in the pocket. Yeah, finding a 20 in an old jacket. Yeah.

41:14Will Arnett:Hello, friend.

41:15Sean Hayes:Hi. Wait, you know what? I want to say, talking about old friends and working together makes me think, Justified, which was so good and you were so good and it was amazing and over the, you said it was five years I didn't realize it was five. You did it with our old friend, certainly Sean and my old friend, Margo Martindale. Oh, Margo's great. We adore, who I adore. She's the best. Must be nice to have one of those, be one of those people that when people say your name, everyone just goes, oh, guess what? Guess what? You're one of those people. I think you are. You're one of those people. You are.

41:48Sean, start. No, it's true. It's true. It's really true. Start. It's really true.

41:52Sean Hayes:I think you are. Yeah, Margot Martindale, I mean, I will say, what an absolute, just a legend. I haven't had the pleasure yet. Oh, Jason. I'm a huge fan, though. Yeah, she would love her. Yeah. I remember years ago, she did that, one of Krasinski's movies, and so she didn't know John, and he asked me to introduce him to her, and it ended up being really, really good. And so I said, hey, John Krasinski wants to call you, and can I give him your number? And she was like, okay. And then she called me after she goes, look, I told him I'm going to do his fucking movie, so it better be fucking good or else this is on you because you fucking forced me to do this.

42:29Sean Hayes:I was like, wait. So good. You know, Margo, I mean, that's so on brand for her. And she ended up being wonderful, obviously. But she's the best. Yeah. I had the pleasure of sitting next to her when she won an Emmy. And it was such a lovely moment. I remember, I don't know why it pops in my head because all that is what I spent a year with, you know, that personality you were just talking about. and such a, like, whether the camera was rolling or not, you just felt like you were getting this authentic, connected, amazing, just, it was so easy. And then we were at the Emmys, and her category was before mine.

43:09So I just remember that when they were, I'm sitting next to her and they're announcing the names and all that, and then they say the winner is, and when they said her name, she squeezed my hand like I could have bruised me like the squeeze that happened it was the first time I kind of understood what the awards meant you know like I was like oh that moment when that involuntarily like oh my god you know and then it was so moving not much of a story but it was just a moment that I remember sharing with her

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46:49And now, back to the show. But Timothy, you know, Tim, sorry. No, no. So familiar. T-Dog, T-Bone. T-Dog, did you, I remember that, the other day, and I'm just remembering, I, through my feed on Instagram, I saw a clip of you telling the story about Deadwood it was so funny can you tell what happened again it was like the worst Deadwood story or something it was so funny I mean I don't want to give it away and if you don't want to tell it you don't have to it's already on Instagram but it's so funny well you know Milch stories you guys know you guys have heard the Milch stories over the years we've heard some rumblings

47:35Will Arnett:I bet you Tracy is not Sean's sister, she's not hip to the Hollywood stories. David Milch, by the way, his book. Have you read the Red Cross? No, I don't read it.

47:47Sean Hayes:David Milch for Tracy created Deadwood, amongst other things. Yeah, NYPD Blue, Hill Street Blues. Legend. Deadwood, and just a legend of a writer. And one of these guys who graduated first in his class at Yale and had a heroin addiction. You know, like a combination of brilliance and life experiences that often don't go together, you know. And so almost every day on that set was these kind of stories. But we had, what's it, the second season? We had a storyline where I'm married to my, which wasn't what really happened in real life, which my character is a real guy, Seth Bullock. But anyway, he was married to his brother's widow and was raising his brother's child as his own kind of thing.

48:43So we had this whole, this kid and like a lot, I think there was rumblings on set one day that there was some issue with the kid as either his reps or his mother, but David was really upset about something. And I was like, I'm not going to pay attention. I'm just doing my thing. All I know is that by lunch, there was a knock on my trailer door and I open, it's David, which is unusual. And I said, what's up? And he says, we're going to kill the kid.

49:22And we're just going to kill him. This is the next minute. It's so good. Such classic showbiz moment that happened after that. He goes, I said, really? He said, yeah, we're going to kill the kid. And this is the show of the listen part. He goes, it's going to be great for you. It's going to be really, it's going to be some really nice, some wonderful. There's more room for you. And a great, great moment. Some wonder moments, these amazing moments. And he's going to be killed and you'll be on his bedside. And he talking to him as if you're his brother. and your brother, wonderful. And it's going to be good for the kid too.

50:03He'll free him up for other opportunities. And yeah, we did, the whole season was this epic story that whatever happened that morning turned into the season.

50:16Sean Hayes:That's so amazing. That's amazing. JB, as an actor who directs, how cognizant are you of understanding the process that they're going through when you're giving a note.

50:30Will Arnett:Yeah, I mean, it's all about, you're going to get a worse performance if you leave that note session with the actor and the actor feels bad, you know? Right, right, yeah, yeah. It's all people skills, right? You just got to prop them up while you're telling them to be different. All right, listen, here's my, I did a movie with Larry Kazin, just a dream working with him, And he came up to me after, I think, more than one take. Yeah, it was a couple because he said to me, he said, Tim, there's a joke there, but we wouldn't know it because you keep looking it up. Should we just move on or do you want to try again?

51:12Will Arnett:Hey, Tim, you get this, right? And I thought it was a very usable, like, okay, lightning. That was a good note. I just had another, you just reminded me, I just did this play in New York and Lee Silverman, who's brilliant, she's an incredible director and a good friend, and she goes, at the first run through, it's a one-man show, I did the whole thing the very first time, and afterwards I go, I feel like I'm just saying words, and she goes, yeah, yeah, it looks like that. Oh, fuck, wow. Which was great, which was great. Yeah, it was the kick in the, I needed a kick in the pants. But you were just so happy you got through it and you didn't forget a line, I'll bet, probably, right?

51:54Will Arnett:I mean, that was a big test. Yeah, but I mean, I needed to actually think about what I was saying. Now, on the other hand, I did a couple months with Soderbergh. Forgive me for dropping a name. That's what you do here, right? Sure, sure, sure. Three months. Yeah. Not a single note.

52:12Sean Hayes:Yeah, that's true. For three months. That's terrifying in its own way. Three months. And once, I was in a car with him. I was driving. It's just me and him, and he's operating. And I got back in the car, and I said, what do you think? And he goes, if on a scale of 1 to 10, that was a 7, maybe an 8? And I was like, all right, cool. So that was technically our one exchange. No way. One performance exchange. Yeah, but he's also editing, too.

52:43Will Arnett:No, it's interesting.

52:44Sean Hayes:I was going to say, yeah, he is editing. but I was I was gonna say interesting you mentioned Soderbergh because he is operating and when we were doing our movie with the is this thing on with Bradley and we're old friends and he's also operating right Bradley operated that whole film so he and as you know he's very close you know he's like camera's in my face and he would start to roll we're rolling blah blah blah and he put the camera up we haven't even started yet and then he put it down for a second and he's like this far and he'd go no acting and then the camera right back up And I'm like, fuck.

53:17Sean Hayes:Like pre. I love that. And he was right. I love that. And it was so disarming. Like, you know, I had one time also I did one of these, I did two of these Ninja Turtle movies years ago, like 10, 15 years ago. And we were in Madison Square Garden and it was produced by Michael Bay. But he came in one day to shoot all this stuff at Madison Square Garden. We shot it at Knicks game and then they cleared out and then we did this stuff on the floor. And he decided to operate. and he wanted to do this one bit where it kind of, and like the camera goes off this action and then up to me in the front row.

53:50Sean Hayes:He goes, okay, reset. And it was like chaotic and stuff was going and he's really on top of it. He knows where everything is and he's got a crane going at the same time and he's operating and the camera's down and he's like following along the ball and then he just goes like this and he just goes right up onto me and just goes, say something funny. I'm like, oh, fuck. Literally like that. It was a nightmare and I'm like, ah! And I said something super sweaty. Farts. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I can't wait to talk a little bit about, well, you've got a couple things coming. You've got this mini-series called The Five Star Weekend.

54:25The kids moved out.

54:26Sean Hayes:I've been working more than I've ever in my life. Yeah, I mean, you have... I guess I don't have to go to a tennis tournament this weekend, so yeah, let's go. Alien Earth is renewed for season two. Stick season two has been renewed for season two. We just wrapped that. That was a joy of a gig. Adventures of Cliff Booth, which is coming out around Christmas time? Speaking of no notes, Fincher. Talk about the adventures of Cliff Booth. I want to know about this.

54:51Will Arnett:Yeah, what is it? Is it a film? Yeah, that's the prequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, right? Is it prequel or sequel? It's a sequel.

55:01Sean Hayes:Yeah.

55:01Will Arnett:Sequel, but isn't it, is it the time before Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? If I get this wrong, it wouldn't be that surprising, but I'm pretty sure it's after. It's after. I love that you're not sure. It's the Adventures of Cliff Booth, and it's later. Gotcha. I think we're in the 70s. And so Fincher, light touch? I'm not saying that sarcastically, but I would imagine performance notes. My favorite thing to do was this after we'd finish a take is before he said anything, I'd say, can I get one more? If I could just get one more. Once again. Tracy, he's famous for many takes. We're talking, right?

55:44Yes. We're telling Tracy. Yeah, that's good. That was good usage of Tracy. Hey, thanks. Yeah, so we would do, yeah, I did a scene, yeah, for like two days, a day and a half. I didn't, like, I'd never done anything like that. I felt like I was pledging a fraternity. Felt a little bit like, oh, let's go again. Let's do it. Fuck yeah, I want to be part of this. Let's go.

56:07Sean Hayes:Was it technical? Yeah, was it mostly because of technical and framing? Like a composition thing? Honestly, it's oftentimes multiple. It's oftentimes everything. It's, okay, on that moment, maybe this. And then when you lift your hand up, show me where it is. Okay, now move it just an inch left. Okay, now down just a half an inch. Lift it right there. And you're like, okay. It's a lot of that. So it's everything from when you lean forward, don't lean quite that far, a little there. So it can get super, super technical visually, but it can also get very, very specific about when you do that. Maybe it's more of an order.

56:51Maybe it's more of a like...

56:53Will Arnett:So it will sometimes be performance. It's almost like doing a run of a play, like a scene, but you're doing it so many times. You're doing it the master, you're doing it like 20 times, and then you're pushing it 20 times. and you're like, so for a day and a half, you're just doing this scene. What was the most number of pages you did on one day? Was there ever more than three pages in a day? I bet there wasn't. No, I'm very briefly in it. So I just am showing up for this thing and I don't know how many pages that was, but we shot it for a day and a half. Wow, I love it. Yeah, we didn't, my coverage was day two.

57:24It was kind of, it was fascinating. And because you, so I loved it. I really loved it. And I think years ago when I was reading about him, I just thought, no fucking way. Life's too short. But for whatever reason, at this point, I just was like, yeah, let's do 30 takes. Great. Oh, man, I'd sweep forward.

57:44Sean Hayes:It's an experience, if nothing else. But it throws you to a, there's a real quality that starts to happen that you don't expect, which is you're doing it so many times, it's hard to shut out the voice that feels like you're doing it wrong. Yeah. You know, and that's the kiss of death, right? So you have to, so it's hard to, you also start to lose your instincts because, I mean, it really does, it really is like a, you know, it's like pledging the fraternity here and they're going to break me down and I'm not going to, I'm not going to crack.

58:16Will Arnett:He's talked about that. He's talked about some of the strategy is to like, yeah, you do a great take, you know, that feeling, right? Jason, you finish a take and you think that just felt so money. The fact that you're going to do 15 more after that take, you start to go, maybe it wasn't that good. I don't know. But you have to shut that voice out because you just have to realize. But he talks about that sometimes he'll do a bunch of takes just to get the actor to stop acting. Because you just run out of acting ideas and then you just end up just saying the fucking lines. And that's sometimes what he's looking for is I don't want performance.

58:52Will Arnett:Just say the lines and let's get on. Just lie down the wall. Just fall out of frame. Right, exactly. I kind of. You're doing too much. yeah yeah but isn't i feel like i've gotten my i mean say this with a grain of salt but for the most part my technique for the last decade or so has been memorizing the lines and then memorizing them to exhaustion so i show up hopefully in that place so then to show up and then keep going it's like you have to readjust sean's motto is always like does this put me on

59:23Sean Hayes:the 405 this next day like you know what i mean like uh-huh what do they need sure how do you How would you expect me to act like this? How would you expect me to act that well when you've seen the craft service table and we both know that's fucked up? Yeah, it's terrible. Wait, so we have to, because I can't believe it's been an hour already. I feel like I could talk to you about this shit for fucking ever. Yeah. Talk about Lucky. Lucky is about to come out, this new series. We have to mention it. What's Lucky? Yeah. So I got Lucky is also with the same preface as whether it's a prequel or a sequel.

59:58if I get some of this wrong it won't be surprising but I believe Apple it's on Apple TV and it's Anya Taylor-Joy and Net Benny she's great lovely Tropper wrote it he's the one who wrote the movie that you and I did together it's kind of a thriller Friends and Neighbors Jonathan Tropper correct there you go there you go so that was cool And then there's this, that was fantastic. That sounds good.

1:00:32Sean Hayes:No, that's good. Very good. Great. You've done your job. I think people are leaning forward. Yeah, I know. They're going to watch now. And I'm going to cut, I'm going to move on. So that just leaves them wanting more. And then there's the five-star weekend with Jennifer Garner and Peacock. That's lovely. That was. Look at you. You just go, go, go. I love it. It's really awesome. It's insane. It's kind of fun. It's insane. And yeah. Thanks. I appreciate it. And then, yeah, the kids moved out. It was just, I think it was a lot of time on the hands. Yeah. And then the, what was it? The Larry David thing, I think, airs after.

1:01:10Curb Your Enthusiasm? Before this comes out. No, that 250-year thing. Yeah. So that was fun. Oh, shit.

1:01:15Will Arnett:He's going to play at Trump's 250-year celebration? No, no. He's filling in for Milli Vanilli. Oh, they filled it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and then I'm just doing percussions I guess good for you playing the maracas I'm in that too Tim oh yes yeah yeah and fun yeah super fun I think it comes out soon like in June or something or July well July

1:01:37Sean Hayes:yeah July right oh Sean do you want to talk a little bit about what you got no tell me how was it do you enjoy it yeah it was fun what did you do what was your scenario so the concept is Larry David did a show for HBO to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the United States and he put himself into historical scenarios to reenact them and mine was the Wright brothers and it was me, John Hamm, and Larry David. And John Hamm and I played Orville and the Wright brothers and he played Lawrence Wright, the third Wright brother and he was complaining about the middle seat on the plane that we just invented.

1:02:10And yours is what? I'm OK Corral. Oh, good, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm one of the Earp brothers and Larry, the whole OK Corral, Larry sets it off. It's all, it was him.

1:02:25Sean Hayes:Yeah.

1:02:25Will Arnett:It seems like plenty of opportunity to hire either you or me, Will.

1:02:28Sean Hayes:Our phone numbers must have, we haven't changed in a minute. That's weird. No.

1:02:32Will Arnett:Yeah.

1:02:32Sean Hayes:Well, I'm going to just look that up. Maybe I should check my junk mail. Sean, it was more on you because I feel like you should have said something on their behalf. Yeah, I know. Sorry. You know what I mean? You've seen them all the time.

1:02:46Will Arnett:I do feel like everyone in town has been on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Will, did you do it? No, you and I did not do it. You and I did not. I don't think he likes us.

1:02:52Sean Hayes:You know what Larry actually said to me last, this is a true story so I can say it, he said to me about six months ago, how come you were never on Curb? And I go, you never asked me. Yeah. And he was like, uh-huh. And then I said, I think I'm too tall anyway. I did say that to him. We've had him on the podcast, haven't we? Yeah. Yeah. I've never been in a Bateman project. Should we just get to that right now? I know, that's true. Are you directing something? Sean, you and I have never been in a Jason Bateman joint. Wait, you guys haven't either? No. Wait, what? He's directed like a bunch of things.

1:03:19Sean Hayes:Oh, are you going through a canyon? and you can't hear us right now? Guys, can you hear me? Do we lose you? I hear you. Can you hear me?

1:03:28Guys, I'm going to call you back. I'll call you back. Bateman, you send me a call sheet, I'll show up. You know what I mean?

1:03:36Will Arnett:I'm going to put all three of you in one scene and then cut it. And then I'm going to cut it.

1:03:42Sean Hayes:What do you mean cut it? You won't be able to cut this? It'll be so vital. Speaking of vital, You're vital to showbiz, Tim Oliphant. You are just an absolute gem. And it's been awesome having you. Dude, continued success. Keep staying busy because it's so great watching you, dude.

1:03:59Will Arnett:Yeah, and give Karen and Christine their office back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back at you guys. It was a pleasure. Thank you. I appreciate it. Pleasure. We look forward to it.

1:04:07Sean Hayes:Five-star weekend. Lucky. All this stuff. Congrats. And what a joy. What a joy. The great Tim Oliphant. Thank you. You're going to get a round of applause.

1:04:19Will Arnett:I think that's the first goodbye applause we've done. I think so, too. Warranted. Gentleman, it was a pleasure. Likewise, Tim. Thanks, Tim. Thanks, dude. Bye, buddy. So, yeah, what about that Tim Oliphant, huh? He's a good dude. He's a real good dude. He's easy on the eyes. He's got talent. I know. You know? What's not to love? That's why it works so much. And he does have a reputation that he's one of the nicest guys. That's his reputation. Everybody loves him.

1:04:47Sean Hayes:I remember Margot saying how much she loved him back in the day. Do they say that about any of us? About us? About Sean and me, yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, they say about Sean and me all the time.

1:04:56Will Arnett:You ever heard anything bad about me?

1:04:58Sean Hayes:Let me just say, I would not look it up.

1:05:03Sean Hayes:Where are you? If you want to have a continued good rest of your day, I would not investigate. Don't dig. Don't dig. Everybody loves Jakey Bates.

1:05:13Will Arnett:Everybody loves. You can find some naysayers, I'll bet. No. About any of those. But boy, that Tim Olyphant. No, you'd get tens across the board.

1:05:23Sean Hayes:We forgot to plug Hollywood Bowl. Yeah. Really? Oh.

1:05:29Will Arnett:Oh, go ahead. Maybe just roll the tape on that.

1:05:31Sean Hayes:October 17th. What? What do you do? The Hollywood Bowl. You go to smartlist.com slash live and you get tickets. Sorry. You go to smartlist.com slash live and you get tickets.

1:05:43Will Arnett:Who's this?

1:05:43Sean Hayes:for the Hollywood Bowl, October 17th.

1:05:47Will Arnett:We're going to have some surprise guests there. We're going to have some surprise guests.

1:05:51Sean Hayes:We're going to have a couple.

1:05:51Will Arnett:Two or one? Just a couple. Okay. Yeah.

1:05:53Sean Hayes:You go to smartless.com slash live and you can get tickets for you or for a friend, Sean. They're not free. What do you do if you get them for a friend? You have to... Bye. Bye.

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