How Autopilot REVEALS Political Insider Trading | Chris Josephs

31:49So I'm confident and I'm excited that we'll be able to build momentum from current assets of half a billion to connected assets, which should hopefully get us to a billion by the end of the year. And the other kind of cool thing as well is like the idea of the revenue. So we do eight figures in revenue. We aren't public with how much, but eight figures in revenue. It's growing month over month. We've never really had a down month. And what's cooler again is like, we are working with partners that we want to work with, where we are like, look, the Pelosi tracker set it aside. I want to work with unusual wheels.

32:25I want to work with inverse cream or I want to work with like, you know, you could launch a portfolio. You can go on and say, Hey, I want to build an account to get my friends invested. My friends want to invest. They don't know where to start. They'll come and they'll follow me. That's I think where we're building the momentum with that. And what's cool as well, and this is what our team we were never obsessed with, we haven't done a fundraising announcement. So we're backed by Kraft. They've been helpful. Nomad Venture is out in LA. I love those guys. Love them. I was just chatting with James on the way over.

32:59They've been very, very helpful. Yeah. And they were our seed investors. We met them at Bodega. I heard about that. Did you hear that story? Yes, yes, I heard the story. Wait, can you share more on Nomad? Because they're a super cool team. Yeah, Chris and James, based out of here, they do pre-seed and seed, mainly in marketplaces and consumer. Came out of Uber. Came out of Uber, yep. And then, so Chris came from Uber. He was one of the early guys. James was Uber and Opendoor. And they found us and they invested when we were Iris. They did it before the pivot. And I think they were just fascinated and they liked the distribution that we could do.

33:33But they've been very, very helpful. like James works with us on a weekly basis of like how do we scale the team you know how do we how do we have how do we graduate even just from like an app that lets you follow Nancy Pelosi to a broader marketplace like what does that mean how does the onboarding flow work and he has him and Chris have a ton of experience from not only scaling teams at Uber but also doing it in a highly regulated area yeah so they provide a ton of like this is like where I would focus I would not worry about this. I'd worry about that. I couldn't kind of have any more praise than what they've done.

34:08They've crushed it. And again, I chat with them every day. Yeah. I heard the story the other week and they overheard you on a Zoom call at Bodega in Santa Monica and just went up to you after that and just tried to invest. Yeah. And I swear to God, that's how it happened. like we because i'm from boston i know nothing about la i moved out here uh in 2021 i think or 2022 one of those yeah during covid but right when covid started opening up in la right when it started opening up so i didn't want to work in my office in my apartment i wanted to work at a coffee shop so i went and i searched like where do people go work at a coffee shop and bodega was right down the street from me like all right i'll do that one and i kid you not i was on a zoom call or a phone call talking with, it was either my co-founder or a partner, influencer partner we work with.

35:06And I was one of those obnoxious people on the phone. But James from Nomad was right next to me and just tapped me on the shoulder and he's like, take my card. This is kind of interesting. And then a couple weeks later, he wrote us the first check in the momentum to get the seed investment done. Who knew Bodega was the blue bottle of LA? It really is, yeah. I mean, if I were to go and try and kind of meet investors, that's probably where you go. Because Indreason just opened up at the Promenade. March Capital is right there. Clock Tower Ventures is right there. Up front, they're still there. That was like the hub of Santa Monica.

35:46I think it might have moved to the proper, but maybe that's my own bias. Oh, did they? They went there? Because I go there all the time. Yeah, I was on a pre-seat. I couldn't afford it. I was doing my, at Bodega, you can buy the unlimited coffee. Okay. Yeah, that's important. That was important. Yeah. And they would open up. So I'd be there early. I would have my little spot in the back. Yeah. I love that place. $20 bottles of wine on Wednesday. Sponsored by Bodega. Sponsored by Bodega. Yeah. So to go back to the business and the growth between the channels. You guys have laid out a really efficient growth marketing strategy for the company.

36:28I'm really curious to go into that a little bit further because we have founders, we have other investors, we have a really diverse audience. And I'm sure a lot of them would be really curious what your growth hacking techniques are, anything that you'd be comfortable sharing. Yeah. and I've done this mistake where I like we got competitors now that are doing the whole copying us so I can't tell us but you know but I can say like the thing that people I think and we're not experts at this we just think that like you're just really good yeah I would just say we get it's not that we get lucky we picked the right we picked the right trends so like last week if you remember we saw the Ghibli trend going on and this kind of this is a brand thing this isn't a uh this didn't drive us growth but we saw the brand the ghibli trend going on and since we've been kind of deep in it olivia more from injuries and horowitz posted that funny little she turned the office of the um the chandelier it's like want to know my perfect steel i do this xyz do you know this scene from the office no if people know they know but so there's a scene in the office where dwight talks about you want to know my perfect steel like i steal the chandelier i don't do this i do that and then And I go to like, I can't remember the whole thing.

37:44But she was like, it's cool because now you can use AI and you can turn these videos into kind of Ghibli style things. Yeah. And when I saw it, I was like, that's a funny little script. I think this trend is kind of working for this week. Let's recreate this trend, but for politicians. So what we did was we figured out how she did it. And then we created that version and we called it the perfect trade. So it was like, it was Nancy Pelosi. And you could search this. that's on our autopilot page but it's like nancy pelosi being like want to know my perfect trade like i get the information at 348 i buy it and it's like do i buy apple no i buy i saw this this was so funny yes yeah that one and then we kind of were able to growth hack it we posted it on twitter that got three million impressions there everyone was loving it posted on instagram it gets another million impressions there someone else posted on instagram that gets another million impressions there.

38:40So like at the end of the day, that video that took two hours got us 5 million of organic views, a lot of brand equity. People like that sort of content. The lesson that I think like was interesting is if you pick the right trends and you kind of do them the right way, they cannot be good and they can't really be great. They have to be like 10 out of 10 shareable, fun, creative, something that really, really catches your eye where if you do try and hop on that trend and it's not to that degree, you'll end up kind of like actually hurting your brand and making it not as cool. Another example is with AI, we have these GPT portfolios.

39:19And back in 2022, ChatGPT was the talk of the town. We were like, let's give it 50 grand, have it invest for us and see what happens. We made that account on Twitter, tweeted about it. It got 130 ,000 followers in a week, something crazy. And we literally did give it 50 grand. But the beauty of that was on social media, that's not even necessarily a branded piece. That's just what is ChatGPT going to buy? But it worked well with our product because we could put the portfolio up on autopilot. And the call to action there, the organic way is like, we're giving it 50 grand. But if anyone wants to invest alongside it, you can go to autopilot.

40:00you can download it, you can check it out. That got us to top 15 in the app store. And I think now we have$40 million following that GPT portfolio. So that is another example of like, we picked the trend right. And we executed the launch of it in the right way too. How did this lead you to get on top podcasts, like we mentioned earlier? Yeah, a lot of momentum. I think that stuff took a long time. So we have, we don't have a PR firm we don't have a PR team I think we might do one now but it's just been me DMing people on Twitter and then them eventually connecting with us where the way that the Tucker one worked was we made just good quality content on social media and then eventually someone from the one of the administration's teams then connected me to Tucker and it was like Tucker I think would be interested in having you on the Tucker one we did and then we got a couple more intros to a couple more.

40:59I've been chatting with Tom Bailu for a while. Um, but a lot of that was just sheer grinding and like we get on the news pretty actively too. So we have now the relationships and like, if we want to go on Fox news, we could, um, we've never been invited by CNN or anything like that. It's only Fox news, but, uh, that a lot I think is momentum and high quality content. Like you cannot underestimate high quality content and how far that can get you. What kind of metrics do or KPIs do you shoot for with the content? So what's funny is we don't really track too much of it. No. No. I think what we track is just like what content can we tell a story around that can at least drive views and drive impressions and drive downloads eventually.

41:49There's a, you probably see it on twitter all the time all these kind of young kind of they call them cracked out engineers growth hacking tiktok with the faceless videos and yada yada yada and that stuff works but that doesn't necessarily really work for a financial product where you want to build trust you want to build um a relationship you know you're not going to go and put 20 grand in an investment product because you saw a faceless photo on tiktok you're just not uh so every view that we do and everything that we try and do like on the content side it's one can it drive downloads we don't really care too much about making a piece of content just for the sake of making it we want to have it because we spend a lot of time and effort into building it we want to make sure that content is actually built to work and drive downloads and two we want don't want um uh what was the word we were using the other day like we don't want like a wasted or like a valueless impression or it's like okay cool someone saw your video but they don't know that it's autopilot and it doesn't really do anything for you that's just like a vanity metric so we don't we don't really track followers we don't really track impressions we have a general sense of it because we have to share it with our investors but um we're not every month being like we got to hit a billion impressions you don't have a content team that's grinding every day, testing out five different thumbnails on things?

43:13No. Maybe we should. You don't have a team in the Philippines? No. And we get pitched it a lot. Yeah. We don't. And I think partly it's compliance. So you've got to be very careful with registered investment advisor. Need the disclosures everywhere. Need to know which battles to pick. But no, we don't have a... It's just me, Stash, Gannon. he's another creator for us and he does a lot of other stuff too um but it's the person behind the camera mostly is just stash and i wow super impressive yeah it's just two of us and she's better at tiktok than me can't wait for you guys to repurpose all of this content that's we i genuinely can so that's the other thing too we have a whole team that we're starting to dive into that where we repurposed um this is like these aren't philippines people and they're not making content so i wouldn't say that they're like a b testing a million things yeah but we have a uh we're working on a clipping army to some degree um we'll see if it works yeah what yeah i am so excited i want to try it so bad you should it's built for this it's not built for like like we know their team they're awesome and i think it's so smart they did the drewski thing they did um that other random creator that i didn't know but as a million millions followers yeah uh it works source content like this um but i think it for a finance product it consumer investing like app finance product um i'm gonna see like if it can scale and if it can actually kind of work because again like i don't necessarily really care about um valueless impressions yeah where it's like i'd rather spend my time and like that costs money i'd rather spend make sure the cacks are going to something that can drive revenue or uh downloads not necessarily you know yeah that's It's actually really interesting, because financial media and memes, my voice is so cracked, have created that meme stock rage and all of that kind of trends -driven, hype-driven retail investing.

45:21and then we also have the tools that we can use it. We can use Robinhood. We can use all these different platforms. We can use Autopilot. We can use these different kinds of resources to buy into it. And the democratization of finance and retail investing is like a completely different world than what it was like 10 years ago because of social media and these fintech platforms. I'm curious, do you have any opinions on this? Where do you see that going? Yeah, what's cool for me in my shoes is I think like two things before I answer that is, um, one, since we're bipartisan, like everyone agrees, 86 % of Americans agree they shouldn't be allowed to trade.

46:03So we see a lot of, you know, the different sides. Like if we're posting, like this morning, we posted about Marjorie Taylor Greene, half the comments are like, why are you not calling out Pelosi? And then, you know, when we're calling out Pelosi at the comments are like oh well the republicans do it too so we really do see like how divided and how scary this could be if we don't kind of all understand like the severity of where this stuff can go um with regards to the actual platform too on instagram it's a much different community and a much different source piece of content that works compared to uh twitter and then tiktok is authentic you can't have green screens you know that stuff won't work all that will work on tiktok is just getting behind the camera um where i think it's going though i think that retail investors and just generally like people uh we're only getting more and more online and i think the scary part about that is your emotions are going to get big i think people for better or for worse, social media makes you feel important.

47:07And it's like, okay, if I am this random person from, you know, Miami, and I can post on Twitter and get a thousand likes. Miami. What a dig. I know, right? Yeah, I know. I was thinking about which one to do. I was going to say like somewhere else. Miami, I could see this because that's, I think this happens a lot in crypto world. And that's, I think, like the point of you got to be careful with like where does social media lead. You lead to a lot of hype. You lead to a lot of emotion-driven stuff. You lead to people selling out too early. You lead to people fighting each other. And I think crypto, since it was the wild, wild west, I think it's getting better now.

47:43We saw what that could mean and where that can go. And I think with social media in general, if you want to run ads as a finance product, you need to have the right disclosures. You got to be approved. You can't do it unless you put your address in these things. And I think that is the right direction because if you allow anyone to go off and just kind of launch their own stuff in the investing world, you're going to run into a lot more scams. And the data here is clear. Senior citizens got scammed at the highest rate in a while, something like$2.5 billion. And I think that's social media. How else are they getting it?

48:18Maybe a phone call? AI. AI is a big one too. Yeah. But I get hundreds of DMs on our accounts with people trying to scam and people saying, hey, you scammed. on vc world uh there's people in i i heard this story but there's people that are saying that they're selling shares on like craigslist of these private companies so you know how like republic does their um fundraising rounds and stuff like that yeah like spds and yeah you got to be careful with there's people scamming people with that where you think you're buying shares of autopilot from, I don't know, Craigslist or wherever. Yeah. And you end up, it's just some random dude, you know?

49:01That I think is where social media has to be careful. And I don't know where it's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen with it. But I have a lot more thoughts on like the broader aspect of social media. But what do you see? Because it's like where we both grew up with social media. We've seen the ups and downs. I think we're probably more on Twitter. Like I'm personally more on Twitter than Instagram now. Yeah. But at the time, when I was 22, I wasn't. I was barely on Twitter. And my younger brothers, though, I have two younger brothers, they're not on either. They're on no social media.

49:33Really? None. That's crazy. How old are they? One is a senior in college. The other one's a senior in high school. Why? I just don't think they wanted it. I think there might be an inflection point where people are just so sick and tired and annoyed of social media. They know it's emotional. They know it creates divide, division. and it there's not much good that comes from it if you're chronically online with it and I think you know to my brother's credit they didn't see the value of having it so I don't think they just created one especially even like my brother's been to college he's got his girlfriend he's got his life he's a cracked out engineer kind of he loves his stuff he's gonna do well for himself kind of thing he doesn't need social like what is social media gonna do for him you know yeah Yeah, that's really interesting.

50:20I mean, I think the biggest things that I watch with it is I think the advent of social media has just perpetuated faster news cycles. And so whenever we have market turmoil and extreme volatility, like we saw in the last couple of weeks, like usually you're reading a paper. Like, well, not usually, but like back in the day, you would read like the newspaper and you'd see where the stocks are and how things are going and what kind of news is happening. But we're getting news like by the minute, by the second and real time. And they're just it's just going faster and faster and faster. And so I think a lot of the financial cycles that we'll have are really fast and like hopefully correct faster.

51:07but we'll have like and we're seeing this like greater dips like greater rises um based off of these things and just creates a lot of volatility and you know what's scary about that is uh if you are you and i were retail investors right like you know this is not financial advice i got to say this for all of our compliance stuff so you can't kind of go off and just do this because of what i'm saying but um i was working on a tweet i'm working on a tiktok right now that explains this in broader detail and i think like autopilot is gonna it's gonna be a plug for autopilot but um the reality is if retail investors if you sold out in kind of dips and you missed out on just the 10 best trading days of the year like if you were just not invested in the stock market for the 10 best trading days of that year your annualized returns are something like seven percent below what they should be so the average return annualized i think the the study I was reading was from like 1989 to 2024, the average annualized returns were something like 9.8%.

52:05If you missed out on just the 10 best days, your returns are 3.3 % annualized. So you're way down. If you missed out on the top 15 trading days of the year, you actually lost money that year. So the stock market could have been up 10 % that year. But if you were selling out of emotion, you were trying to time it, you were like, oh God, the world is ending. And then next thing you know, tariff gets paused. and then the market crushes and you miss out on that day, you're missing out on the gains for that year. And that's, I think, the thing that retail investors, I'm going to try and educate people on this, but I'm not an expert at this.

52:41I don't really know. But trading on emotion is risky. And especially with more of these products commoditizing and demarketizing access to them, where it's like, who knows? Maybe five years, you'll be able to trade your 401k in individual stocks. maybe you'll be able to put your 401k in private stocks you know Robinhood with Vlad they're doing a lot of stuff to bring things on chain they launched with Tarek from CalShare they launched prediction markets prediction markets that's like are people selling out of Apple to buy you know Florida's gonna win the national championship and I think it's good that they're democratizing access to it what I do worry about is I don't I think retail investors we are emotional and we're short-term thinking where, you know, it's just human nature.

53:30That's just how we are. We have to be careful and we got to be cognizant of that. And we need to understand the ramifications if you do trade too much on emotion. And with autopilot, I think what solves it is like... Set it and forget it. Set it and forget it. Yeah, it's like, imagine you're following Nancy Pelosi. You can sleep, like if you're up 20%, hell yeah. But if you're down 10%, if you are doing it with Nancy Pelosi, you can sleep at night saying like, okay, well, Nancy Pelosi is down 10 % too. I think I'll be fine. And she didn't sell from what we know, but I know that she typically doesn't sell these options early.

54:07She trades options. But a lot of these politicians didn't buy and sell too much into the volatility. And again, if you sold out after Trump announced Liberation Day, you missed out on the 20 % gain. Palantir's stock, for example, since he tweeted and the market fell, it's up 40%. in that in the three week period and if you sold out you know that was already on the run and that was already on the run yeah it's already back up to 98 robin hood stock went down to 35 and it's just too hard to time it as a retail investor yeah um that's one final thing that i would say that i'm thinking a lot about like how do i make sure that our autopilot app isn't creating emotional buying and selling to the degree that the clients lose out on money right Right.

54:52It sounds like a couple of things I heard from that are buy low, sell high. Yep. That's the goal. And set it and forget it. Yep. Yeah. Buy low, sell high, set it and forget it and go live your life. Go live your life. It's like, why are you even worried about Bitcoin falling? But if you want to have fun, go to Calci and trade on White Lotus maybe. Yep. Yeah. And Calci, Polymarket, I like them both. I use them both. yeah because calci also just launched with webel yeah yeah so like they're really they're smart to go the uh they're just doing like the uh access i think what they're doing is good too again going back to this trust and transparency thing yeah like the world doesn't trust the media anymore they're essentially rebuilding trust in media where it's like okay you're telling me that xyz is going to happen let me go look on calci and if calci is saying it's not now you instantly just have like who's right who's wrong and my bet is calci is going to be right more often than not because it's like that's just the way of the land that's that's how predictive markets work so i think it's awesome that they're pushing for this and they're adding in um a layer of trust and transparency into a world where you can debate all you want on social media you know you can argue with trump you cannot argue with trump it's all noise like the prediction markets hopefully can cut through that and actually bring some clarity and trust back into the whole thing so i'm curious and this kind of goes off of this topic of the other financial fintech companies, but maybe outside of those within your product itself, like how did you get the intuition or the kind of quality that you want to build to become?

56:42What are examples of like other companies or products that you use that you really like that inspire your product? Yeah. So Brian, my co-founder, he deserves a ton of credit for this, where it's like we kept things simple um and i think a lot of that had to do with you know for better for worse we're comparing ourselves to apple like apple's copyright like our team thinks about that forever where it's like a thousand songs in your pocket there's just nothing better than that like one line that can describe everything what they do but the core thesis and principle of what um of what apple was was simplicity minimalism and on the product side they've done a great job at keeping things simple, keeping things not kind of convoluted.

57:26We want to get access and like allow you to start trading in the most convenient way as possible. So like, what does that mean? That means going through KYC faster. That means like getting less and less buttons, you know, things like that, the faster you can get to the magic moment. You know, I think things like Duolingo helps with that. Like I use Duolingo. We don't gamify our finance stuff much, but But them with A-B testing, that's a big kind of company pillar on the product side. So I would say it's keeping things simple because of Apple and A-B testing and the fun humor kind of vibes from what Duolingo would do.

58:04Those, I think, are probably the two. And also Robinhood. Robinhood, I think they're the poster boys of organic simplicity for a financial product. but they're probably getting a little bit complex too because I think they know. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then I think Calci is another one and like the one that too that we use in the backend is Brex. Oh, you use Brex. We use Brex. Okay. Yep. So it's like we get inspiration from the consumer side on like the Robin Hoods, the Weebles, the Duolingos, the Apples but on the B2B side, we use Brex and it's cool to see the simplicity of kind of how they do the different expenses and they can kind of break it down because what we're building on our side too is like a pilot portal yeah where like if you're a creator like unusual whales you can't use the app you need to have your own portal you know you can go into the autopilot portal and make your trades and do whatever a lot of that inspiration i think comes from brex and their team they're super data oriented right so it's like a whole dashboard yeah and they're simple like that's i think like people come make these things too complicated yeah and it's like just you know i just want five or six answers you know i don't need to have a billion different tabs i need to have a billion different options just find out what you want find out what i want and brexit does a good job with this and then like don't distract me from that you know don't make it harder for me to originally do what i want to do with steps i don't know if this is the right move but we haven't been very public about like the fundraising and things like that yeah do you want to talk about that a little bit more like yeah when did you first receive funding how did you you know you wanted to get the next round yeah who did you raise from how much in total yeah and when we started we never saw like the fundraising as like a set of accomplishments we saw it more of just like this is what we need to be able to get to the next step that's why i don't think we've done a public um announcement yeah so yeah parade or anything we haven't been on the tech crunches or anything like that and we've done three different but you will have an exclusive on sorcery the next round that's so that yes if once we do that we're coming to you we're coming to you thank you yeah yeah yeah that's a good one because we haven't done an a yet so like we're at eight figures in revenue and we have like growth funds hitting us up but i i we don't need the money you know we're in a good spot um we've been pretty capital efficient too but like to date i think we've raised around six or seven million okay um we've raised from craft craft is like probably our biggest traditional um venture fund nomad from james and chris they're awesome they've done two rounds with us um next fund out of florida small guy um but he put in a good amount he bet on us when we were at the iris days he deserves a lot of credit and then a pre-seed round back in 2020 with um billy draper from um path vc he's been cool um incline ventures they they were the guys behind um can't remember um tidely they they're like they're building out like software for churches i think it's a cool business oh wow it's smart yeah it's like one of those non-sexy businesses that needs to be uh brought into the 21st century churches know how to make money churches know how to make money yeah and like what's i go to my church in santa monica and like they still expect me to carry cash around yeah i got dude i don't have cash Put it in the basket.

1:01:24Yeah. I got none of that. It's like, just give me a Venmo little button. Oh, God. So they've been great. And that, I think not raising a lot has helped us get to where we are now. Because if you give a creative team a massive budget, and again, I do the creative, so I'm just speaking on our behalf. But if you give a creative team a big budget, they naturally and instinctively are going to cut corners around creativity. to drive growth. It's just natural. And we've had a little bit of this where we've test out paid marketing, we've test out performance marketing. Never done influencer marketing, but...

1:02:03You are the influencers. Yeah, we rebuilt our influencers from the ground up. That's a good way to put it. But are we going to do an A? Probably. I don't know how much we'll raise. I don't know what we need. But we also need the right partner because it's fintech and it's... You know, whether you like it or not, it still is sort of political. So we're waiting for the like we're having conversations with all of them do you run into troubles with the political standpoint no no all of our investors have fully backed it okay and like i've even kind of i've gone back and forth with a couple of them being like hey you know i'm gonna go on tucker i'm gonna do you know i'm gonna tweet this i'm gonna tweet that and they're like yep fully support it like they've all been about it they've always kind of been a little bit like understand the downside of it like with tucker be careful because you know i think tucker was great he was the first person that ever gave us a long-winded conversation and he was a like springboard for the conversations like this yeah um but there there still is downsides to it like when we posted on instagram you would get the comments being like i can't believe you're talking to tucker and it's like relax you know um but our vc our uh investors have been very supportive 100 he does great interviews i listen to them and sometimes i tweet about them like the one with the casey means i was like you know don't hate me for tweeting about this but this is incredible and like really good data so i'm going to share yeah exactly yeah and like he'll have people on that you won't agree with and it's like look it's just a podcast it's not like it's it it's not the end of the world and like where we we fully will go on trevor noah we'll go on the late show um with um john stewart john stewart had a oc on like we'll fully go on all of them because again like i will die in the hill that we are non-political we are very bipartisan we call out more republicans probably than democrats but we just have the pelosi tracker name that i think people are like oh you're you're just one of the spicy yeah but it works and i i also do think it's creating change i don't think we the movement would be here right now if it wasn't for just the hypocrisy that there's 350 million dollars literally following their trades like if that isn't a sign that things are crazy yeah i don't know what could be right so like being able to publicly talk about that i think has brought the entire movement forward so what are you looking forward to most in this next year and what are the goals that you're trying to hit i am excited to take on the next um like evolution with autopilot where i think you know again like i don't think that we're some world-class 10x you know 100x marketers i i genuinely do think like on the marketing side we got lucky with just how polarizing and how well pelosi did you know um so i try and stay humble on our team to be like look we really haven't built anything massive yet we still got to get to that but the next stage of it is where like the money can be made the actual change can happen and the product side they'll fully understand it the back-end team and the marketing team we're all in the same um wavelength with that and like the analogy we like to say is uh like with pokemon where you started out with charmant charmander and then you go to charmeleon and you go to charizard like we were pelosi tracker is charmander pelosi tracker is like autopilot let you copy nancy pelosi that's charmander we got to take on the the the next uh like evolution of it which is partnering with creators allowing them to build a business supporting them you know one of the businesses on our platform makes over uh like easily over six figures a year and it's just like they're putting stuff up we don't want to be too public with the numbers but um these guys are doing well and like there's random people on twitter that you've never heard of that are making seven eight nine k uh a month in revenue um that's i think like where the fun part can really really start and it's a challenge though it's not it's not for the faint of no that's probably the wrong way to say it it's not it's hard to give up the success and kind of turn the page on what's worked for you to a brand new slate of like this very well could not work right you know the markets could fall 40 that probably is not good for us but that's not good for everybody it's like so what do we do how do we survive do we have to do a series a do we want to hold dilution do we want to take a strategic investor do we want to allow people to launch more and more portfolios.

1:06:31That's all going to be found out in the next year. And I get excited by it because it's the challenge of like, we'll see, we got to put our big boy pants on and rip the band-aid and see what happens. Right. That's super exciting. Chris, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. Thank you for the amazing hat. Yep. So excited. One of one. I'm going to wear it everywhere. Yeah, do it. All right, well, thanks for coming on. This was a pleasure, and I'm so excited for you to share it all over the internet. Yep. Yep. Next thing is Rogan. No. Rogan, he's coming for you. Yeah, we'll see.