In short
A Friday market wrap (Sept. 12, 2025) focused on an AI-led rally that lifted major indexes to/above key ranges, while breadth remains uneven. Discussion includes Fed-rate expectations, sector leadership (tech/AI, communications, utilities-as-AI-adjacent), and stock setups in Nvidia, GE Vernova, and Rocket Lab, plus gold/oil/crypto cross-currents.
Guests
Ed Carson, News Editor at Investors Business Daily; provides technical/market commentary and sector/stock trade ideas.
Key claims
Indexes cleared prior trading ranges without looking “extended” by common measures; AI/mega-cap leadership drove much of the advance; laggards like equal-weight tech still need confirmation. Mortgage rates falling helped homebuilders, but earnings outlooks are pressured. Fed cut expectations are mostly a quarter-point next week, with smaller odds for a bigger cut.
Notable examples
Nasdaq +0.44% week/near new highs; Nvidia gap up above 50-day; GE Vernova reclaiming above 50-day; Rocket Lab sharp breakout after a prior selloff; Oracle earnings boosting software/IGV; gold (GDX/GLD) rising alongside semis (SMH); refiners benefiting via improved crack spreads; crypto strength led by Ethereum and Bitcoin ETFs (IBIT/ETHA).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMarket Overview
0:30 to 0:40
Discussion on the stock market performance and key indices.
Market Overview
1:04 to 2:56
Discussion on the stock market performance and key indices.
“Yeah, it was a long week, but then I'm not used to working a full week, it seems like.”
AI-Driven Market Rally
2:56 to 4:10
Analysis of the AI-led rally and its impact on major indexes.
“Is it like the week everybody was up, the NASDAQ led, it was sort of an AI led rally, but there was more than just AI.”
Market Breadth and Sector Performance
4:10 to 5:16
Examination of the breadth of the market and sector performance.
“market, we've had a keen eye on, for instance, the Invesco S &P 500 equal weighted ETF, RSP.”
Interest Rates and Economic Indicators
5:16 to 8:00
Discussion on the 10-year treasury yield and economic data.
“I mean, it's nice when your laggards are still doing, are basically moving higher.”
Fed Predictions and Market Sentiment
8:00 to 9:24
Insights on Fed predictions for rate cuts and market expectations.
“It's worth noting that, you know, last week what we were talking about is the big shift.”
Sector Analysis: Housing and Health Care
9:24 to 13:14
Overview of housing and healthcare sectors amid market trends.
“I think there'll be questions about next year.”
Sector Insights: Materials and Industrials
13:14 to 14:02
Final thoughts on materials and industrial sectors in the current market.
“of these companies and sectors within medical.”
Market Movements in Materials and Industrials
14:02 to 14:32
Discussion on the performance of materials and industrials sectors, highlighting Boeing and GEV.
“Anything to note on either the materials or the industrials?”
Performance of FFTY and Growth Stocks
14:32 to 15:10
Analysis of FFTY's strong performance for the week and its implications for growth stocks.
“But also, you mentioned growth and FFTY this week was pretty good, a pretty strong week here, up 4.2 % for the week.”
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Trends in AI, Bitcoin, and Gold Stocks
15:10 to 16:14
Exploration of various AI plays, Bitcoin, and gold stocks within the IBD-50.
“There's some, you know, there's some other things in there.”
Contrasting Gold and Tech Sector Trends
16:14 to 16:56
Discussion on the different trends of gold and tech sectors, highlighting GDX and GLD.
“I mean, gold is rallying in part because of the weaker dollar, worries about things.”
Software Sector Dynamics: IGV and Oracle
16:56 to 18:16
Analysis of the software sector and performances of IGV, Oracle, and Palantir.
“Now, granted, Oracle certainly helped with its huge move earlier this week after its earnings report.”
Challenges in the Cybersecurity and Oil Sectors
18:16 to 19:35
Examination of the cybersecurity area and current trends in the oil sector, including refiners.
“And that seems like it's still consolidating in the software space.”
Understanding the Crack Spread and Its Importance
19:35 to 20:48
Educational segment on the crack spread and its significance for refiners and miners.
“Like, you know, VLO is doing quite well.”
Current Trends in Real Estate and Banking
20:48 to 22:26
Discussion on the real estate and banking sectors, highlighting recent performances and trends.
“Well, and to your point on gold as the example, it's amazing how sometimes a few points down in gold can really change the business pretty quickly for some of those miners.”
Stock Performance in the Technology Sector
22:26 to 23:38
Analysis of stock performance in the technology sector, focusing on XLK and major players like NVIDIA and Apple.
“But it seems like traditional banking still just seems to be like sort of holding its place, whereas more of the Wall Street type situations that are doing better.”
Utilities and AI: A Surprising Connection
23:38 to 24:50
Exploration of how utilities are performing alongside growth sectors, particularly in AI.
“It sort of bounced off the 10-week line.”
Consumer Discretionary and Communications Overview
24:50 to 26:13
Discussion on the performance of consumer discretionary and communications sectors, including key players.
“I defensive XLY, which includes, you know, Amazon and Tesla and the consumer discretionary.”
Analyzing Crypto Trends: Bitcoin and Ethereum
26:13 to 27:37
Analysis of current trends in cryptocurrencies, focusing on Bitcoin and Ethereum.
“So that's, they lagged the overall index.”
Analyzing Crypto Trends: Bitcoin and Ethereum
28:01 to 28:18
Analysis of current trends in cryptocurrencies, focusing on Bitcoin and Ethereum.
“Most finance teams are spending on the wrong things.”
NVIDIA Stock Analysis
28:22 to 29:58
A deep dive into NVIDIA's stock performance and market position.
“Let's go ahead and shift gears a little bit and get into a little bit of a discussion of the individual stocks.”
Concerns Over NVIDIA's Market Position
29:58 to 31:47
Discussion on the competitive landscape and concerns regarding NVIDIA.
“Even in this AI run, we've had some pretty big pauses for NVIDIA.”
Analyzing GE Vernova's Performance
31:47 to 34:38
Exploring the recent movements and potential of GE Vernova stock.
“I mean, we know there's a lot of growth.”
Rocket Lab's Recent Breakout
34:38 to 35:55
Discussion on Rocket Lab's stock performance and market position.
“Let's go ahead and round out the conversation on individual stocks with a power move here in Rocket Lab RKLB.”
Speculative Stocks Discussion
35:55 to 37:09
Insights into speculative stocks like Ionic and Oklo, and their market behavior.
“And maybe if we just look at a couple other names, if we could look at Ionic and Oklo.”
Market Trends and Regression Analysis
37:09 to 40:04
An analysis of market trends through regression lines and expectations.
“And it was kind of interesting to me that, again, you do associate OCLO with the nuclear, but CCJ, uranium play, was down today.”
Final Thoughts on Market Strategy
40:04 to 42:01
Concluding advice on investment strategies in the current market.
“So kind of give us your give us your final thoughts in terms of the market and what we should be looking at next week.”
Earnings Season Insights and Upcoming Events
42:01 to 43:26
An overview of earnings season and upcoming guest appearances on IBD Live.
“Words to live by, I think, in life and in the stock market.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I'm Steve Booth, CEO of Baird, an independent wealth, asset management, and global capital markets firm. At Baird, our 5 ,000-plus employees are united by an unwavering commitment to excellence and a genuine passion for helping our clients and each other succeed. As a privately held, truly employee-owned company, we treasure our independence since we can focus on delivering results to clients and taking care of our people throughout the cycles in our serve markets. Learn more at rwbaird.com slash WSJ.
0:40hello and welcome to another episode of the stock market today video it is friday september 12th 2025 and we've got a big week to kind of wrap up for you in terms of the stock market and what was happening joining me today instead of our usual mike webster we've got a special treat we've got ed carson news editor investors Investor's Business Daily, helping us out with the commentary today. What you got for us, Ed? Yeah, it was a long week, but then I'm not used to working a full week, it seems like. Yeah, you usually take your Mondays off. But for anyone that thinks he's a lazy bum, when he takes a day off, that means he only works like four to six hours instead of his usual.
1:17I can skip the meetings. I can skip the meetings. And that gives you most of your day back, right? I think it does. It really does sometimes. I want to take a look at NVIDIA, GE Vernova, Rocket Lab and a few other names. Obviously, we're going to look at a lot of stuff today. Yes, absolutely. And before we get there, we'll just go ahead and do a quick recap of the markets themselves. I'm going to share my screen for our market search charts. And we have the NASDAQ composite looking like it finished up about 0.44 percent. The S &P 500 basically flat. It was up, you know, or down, I guess, 0.05 percent.
1:57So not much there for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. That one was up for, you know, 0.59 percent, about six tenths of a percent. I'm sorry, down. Yes. And the Russell 2000, which was the big winner yesterday, that one was hit the hardest down a full percent by the close today and falling back below that 2400 level. Now, it's important to kind of note that you have to put some of these in the perspective of the week. You know, it was pretty much up weeks across the board. Some of those very strong. And for the Nasdaq Composite and the S &P 500, that was, you know, new high territory and crossing some significant levels for the NASDAQ composite up above 22 ,000.
2:45And for the S &P 500, we finally got above that 6 ,500 level this week and cleared it with some gusto. So, Ed, what is your take on the market today? Yeah, it's looking pretty strong. Is it like the week everybody was up, the NASDAQ led, it was sort of an AI led rally, but there was more than just AI. So I also think it's really interesting. The major indexes all have now clearly cleared sort of the ranges they were in. I mean, there was, you know, it wasn't like this clean basis necessarily. The NASDAQ was close to it. But, you know, they had these ranges for several weeks and maybe even, you know, and now they're clearly above that, but they're not extended.
3:24If you look at them, you know, by various measures, they don't look extended, whether it's by the 50-day line or by some other measures. So, I mean, there was the, and the Oracle news was positive. I think the market's feeling confident about what the Fed is going to be doing. And it's a pretty healthy situation. It's not, I mean, this is a reason not to buy extended stocks, but it's like, you still got to follow your rules. But this is, I think, a time to be heavily invested, maybe even looking to add exposure or at least to replace some laggard with hotter things, just as long as you're following the rules.
3:59So this, you know, you know, until until something comes in the way and you hit the brakes. I also wanted to kind of address the breadth issue, because as we've been looking at the market, we've had a keen eye on, for instance, the Invesco S &P 500 equal weighted ETF, RSP. And that was something that had a very strong day yesterday. But, you know, before that, it was kind of not participating as much. So it almost seemed like, OK, are we back to the the FANG plus the mags, the mag seven and so on? That was certainly showing a very different look and much more in line with, again, you know, what what kind of drives the index strength is usually coming from these most heavily weighted.
4:44But what's your take on the RSP? Certainly it finished the week, you know, in the positive territory. But it seems like it's been a little bit of fits and starts here. Yeah, RRSP is like, and you can say RRSP, even with Thursday, was just starting to poke above this range. And really this range, it's a long range for RRSP in a way. But even just in the short run, there were several weeks of trading that it was sort of moving sideways in. And it hadn't really moved out of that. Did on Thursday pull back. So it hasn't cleared the way the major indexes have. But still, it's a close at high. I mean, it's nice when your laggards are still doing, are basically moving higher.
5:22That was – so it is clear that there was an AI tilt, a tech tilt. You know, you definitely – you can't stock pickers market. But there was a broad advance. I'd say QQEW is the real laggard out there. I mean, that's sort of surprising. It's still been sort of surprising that it's been a tech-led rally, and this area has been so weak. It finally got over the 50-day line. It did hold that. But this is one that has not been then moving into the new I territory. But at least this laggard part of the market, you know, is is at least above that key level. I mean, it would only take one good day and you're right there at record highs.
6:00Of course, it would just take a couple of days that are on the downside and it would be at like three month lows. So but yeah, there's the breadth isn't as great there, but it was a broad advance, but it was definitely concentrated in AI. And that's sort of how it's been. AI and these giants. You know, we've had Google and then NVIDIA came on. Oracle's a big cap. Obviously, Tesla had a huge move this week. So a lot of things, some of these mega caps really, really leading the way once again. And we're going to get into kind of our overall sector kind of look. But before we do, maybe we can kind of talk a little bit about the 10-year treasury, Because certainly a lot of eyes were on the jobs report last week and then this week, some of those inflation measures to kind of get a gauge on what we can expect for the upcoming Fed meeting next week.
6:56Yeah, the inflation measures were generally OK. I mean, there was some like the PPI had some unusual weakness. The CPI was mostly in line, maybe some some just unpleasant signs. Then there were some other weak economic data. Jobless claims spiked that there were some unusual things. It was Labor Day week and most of the gain was in one state. So the 10-year treasury briefly got under 4%, a five-month low. It did pop again today. It still fell for the week. Clearly, it's fallen a lot the past couple of weeks and really trended lower, honestly, since almost the start of the year. I mean, and so mortgage rates have been coming down.
7:31That's been a catalyst. I will note that the two-year Treasury yield actually rose this week. Not a lot, but it actually rose. And that's more closely tied to Fed policy. I don't think the Fed – I don't think the week's economic data really had much impact at all. We're locked into a quarter-point cut. There's a tiny chance of a bigger cut. There's a high likelihood we'll get another 50 basis points of cuts this year after that. Then it's sort of unknown. Not only do we not know what the economy will be like, but we don't have any idea what the Fed FOMC will look like because there could be radical changes in, you know, by February, March of next year.
8:15It's worth noting that, you know, last week what we were talking about is the big shift. Again, it was it was already pretty much a quarter point was was widely anticipated. But after the jobs report last week, it seemed like the 50 basis point cut was coming on strong. It was, what, 10 percent chance or 15 percent, maybe more. But as you noted, that has shrunk quite a bit this week down to 3.5 is what I'm showing right now for the 50 basis point cut versus, again, 96.5 for the quarter. So, and what about the kind of the rest of the year look? I know that it was kind of looking at like a 75 basis point cut, which looks like that is still potentially where a lot of folks are gravitating right now.
9:07There's basically an 80 percent chance or so of a total of 75 basis points by year. And I think and obviously a lot can change just over from not much is going to change by next week. But then there's plenty of time for the economy to get better, to get worse, et cetera. But that's where it's locked in now. I think there'll be questions about next year. Will the Fed continue to cut rates again? There's just there is just a slew of uncertainty with that. But Fed will just take what happens next week with the rate cut and maybe some slightly dovish comments from Powell. That's what the market wants to hear.
9:41Yeah, makes sense. Let's kind of shift gears a little bit. And I am going to pull up the, let me just move some stuff over here. So I've got things where they need to be and sized appropriately. But if we go ahead and take a look at the major players in the sectors, I want to start with ITB. And I do have exposure to housing. but this has been one of those areas that has been kind of tricky lately. You know, it seems like it's going to go and then it fades a little bit. So a little bit tougher. What's your take on the home builders? I mean, there's obviously tailwinds. Mortgage rates have been coming down for most of the year.
10:25I mean, they have, and they've really come down the last several weeks. So that's the tailwind. The numbers usually look pretty crummy. Look at the fundamentals right now, and we're going to get Lennar earnings next week. They're not going to be good. They're not going to be good because people are looking ahead to next week, you know, next several quarters ahead. But so we'll see there. Yeah, there was some negative news. CNM, Corn, Maine had a disastrous outlook, and they blamed basically the residential market for that. And so homebuilders only fell a little bit. But, yeah, there's a little bit of two steps up, one step back.
11:02If you go back to ITB, there's a situation, it seems like it makes a big jump, pulls back. It sort of keeps on forming these handles. You know, it's sort of done that again and again and again. And so it's been tricky if you buy what, you know, the so quote unquote breakout from these handles. I mean, there's only not all of these handles are legitimate, obviously, but it just makes it a little tricky. But I mean, the trend seems to be there. But, yeah, obviously, the homebuilders and financials are two of the areas that could be most affected by the Fed meeting, especially if there's some kind of disappointment there.
11:42And ITB taking nearly a 2 % haircut today after being up, you know, pretty nicely yesterday with a two and three quarter for the week. This was finishing down for the week. But kind of like mid-range for the prior week. So looking at our 11 sector spiders, one of the more difficult positions was the XLV, which, you know, looking at the weekly chart here, this hasn't really done much. It's been underperforming for quite a while here in terms of its relative strength. And, I mean, it's typically looked at as a defensive sector. Certainly, this has been weighed down by some of the heavyweights like a UNH and things like that.
12:28It was getting above its 200-day, but that doesn't seem like it's holding. Yeah, and there's a lot of things like the insurers seem to be coming back. There's hopes for higher premiums and some other things, but they are really beaten down, like you were saying. Some of the medical device makers, I mean, it seems like there's a push to more speculative names right now. And so it just doesn't seem like there's that time. And there's some tariff concerns with some of those companies. It gets a little – some biotechs are working, but there's always some biotechs that are working. XBI, I think, is doing a little better.
12:58Yeah, that one is done all right. So you can find areas that are working well, and there's some AI type of plays that are out there, you know, with health care. So there are places you can take advantage of things. But yeah, the overall things, it just seems like there's some specific issues to some of these companies and sectors within medical. And on the defensive growth side, it just doesn't seem like that. People want growth or even speculative growth right now. It just seems like that's what's in favor. Yeah, makes sense. And then I also wanted to make sure that we also took a look at the next one in there is XLB, which is the materials.
13:38Not much to see here. Overall, you know, still in a downtrend. This recently got above its 200-day moving average line, its 40-week moving average line. Has been trading tight, but not much to see there right now. It looks like XLI kind of in a similar situation, a little bit of a flat base. This does look stronger in terms of its distance above its 200-day moving average line. Anything to note on either the materials or the industrials? Yeah, I mean, both of them could make some moves, but are they really going to be leading? I mean, especially the materials. This one, aerospace within industrials is doing pretty well, though Boeing is, for some maybe company-specific reasons, is struggling.
14:17But otherwise, there's a lot of names in XLI that are doing pretty well, including GEV. GEV is a big name in that, and we'll be looking at GEV later on. So that's doing well. Very good. And continuing on, looks like one of the ones that we already talked about, RSP, just to kind of get a gauge of where that was falling today. But also, you mentioned growth and FFTY this week was pretty good, a pretty strong week here, up 4.2 % for the week. For the day, it consolidated a little bit, but really held the gains from yesterday and most of the week. Yeah, and that was sort of leaving the station even before this week.
15:03It hadn't really quite, quite fully, fully done it, but you could see there was more of an upward trend to the sideways nature. Yeah, there's a lot of AI plays. There's some, you know, there's some other things in there. There's some more, even more speculants, like some Bitcoin crypto plays that are doing well. There's some big movers in the IBD50 and the gold plays have done pretty well, too. I mean, you know, there's actually a number of gold. So it's gold in AI and that's ended on Bitcoin and stuff. And so that's all done pretty well for the IBD-50. Yeah, I'm going to skip ahead just because you mentioned gold.
15:42I wanted to make sure we covered this. It's very rare that you kind of see gold in line with your chips. You know, so here's SMH, the VanEck semiconductor. And, you know, gold is right there with it. It certainly had this long consolidation here. GDX, the gold miners were a little bit quicker to come out of its consolidation, and those are well extended, whereas GLD, the spot price of gold, is a little bit more recent in its move. Yeah, it does feel like gold is reading a different script than the tech sector. I mean, gold is rallying in part because of the weaker dollar, worries about things.
16:27And tech is like, what? Why worry? So it is. And there's legitimate arguments for both. But it is interesting to see how strong gold has been, given that speculative growth is doing so well as well. It is strange. Yeah. I should also mention that, again, kind of getting back to our order of the worst first, I'm just going to throw IGV in here because, you know, we were talking about how ugly kind of QQEW looked. IGV, which really was, you know, kind of, you know, having this fairly deep base here, that has recovered quite well and is forming a cut. Now, granted, Oracle certainly helped with its huge move earlier this week after its earnings report.
17:12But that is looking like it's potentially setting up with a little handle. Yeah, I mean, Oracle and Palantir are the two biggest names in the group. So Palantir took off too. It was sort of, you know, sort of first it was quiet, but then it really moved and it did not slow down at all today. So that's sort of extended now from maybe some early entries. But yeah, those two names after, yeah, so there still seems to be a fair amount of weakness in software. Oracle and Palantir have done a lot of the work bringing it up and they're doing that again. So that's one concern looking at that is that if you were interested in buying it, like SMH, it's almost like so many of the good names are extended.
17:49You almost have to buy SMH, whereas IGV to get your exposure. To get your exposure. I mean, if you haven't got it yet, whereas IGV, and there's things like NVIDIA, but that's fine. But it's like IGV, you know, it does feel like there's definitely some dichotomy in there. It's not like a lot of software names are really having a tough time still. Yeah. And then we were looking, you know, pretty closely at the cybersecurity area for, you know, a while, especially after the April 22nd follow through day. And that seems like it's still consolidating in the software space. You know, honestly, that's held up pretty well, given how awful Rubrik's reaction to.
18:25I mean, that was just stunning. It beat and raised, but apparently not by enough because, wow, that was a sell-off. I know that. So that round trip, the rally, at least from the buy point from the prior base, down below the Tunity line, just a huge, huge sell-off. I think SailPoint didn't have good earnings either. So the fact that the group did okay, you know, it could have been a lot worse. I did bounce back today, but there's been some, that rubric was really, really a bad, bad, bad break. Over to oil. Now, XLE, of course, is known for having a real heavy weight in both Chevron, CVX and Exxon Mobil.
19:11That's about 40 % of the weight of XLE. But even if you look at the equal weighted RSPG, it still looks very similar. So we already talked about gold. What's your take on the black gold? You know, I mean, gold is, I mean, oil is not, is down. So it's like the oil producers are going to struggle. It seems like there's a few names. Refiners are doing relatively well. Like, you know, VLO is doing quite well. Is holding that gains. There's some other names like PBF, I think, surged and then came back. But still, that seems to be an area because there's been a wider spread. I didn't look at the data today, but a couple of days ago, gasoline was flat for the year while oil was down like 12 percent.
19:53And so the crack spread for refiners had improved. And much like homebuilders, these refiners have had terrible numbers, but are supposed to have much better numbers maybe at the end of this year and then next year. So that's been the area of strength. And just for the education component here, what is the crack spread and why is it important? Well, the crack spread is basically the gap between the cost of what the refiners are paying for crude and then what they're getting for the refined petroleum products. And so what's that spread per barrel kind of thing? Because obviously they have to cost a few dollars to do that, to convert it.
20:29But it's a little bit like gold miners. A few dollars more in gold means it can mean a huge amount in profit for gold miners. There's a few dollars gap in gasoline and gold per barrel and crude per barrel really is what it's all about for refiners. I mean, that's what it is. Well, and to your point on gold as the example, it's amazing how sometimes a few points down in gold can really change the business pretty quickly for some of those miners. So again, you know, when you're dealing with the commodities and those that benefit from them, there usually is a leveraged type situation for the individual companies.
21:09They go up more and they come down more than the typical commodity prices that they're tracking. Okay, getting back on track here with our sectors, XLRE, the real estate, again, just really flat, but at least above its 200-day moving average line. And then I want to spend a little bit of time on XLF. What's your take here? Because this has been another area that seems like a lot of the areas want to go. We've been looking at whether it's the KRE, the regional banks, or your bigger banks with either a KBE or KBWB. It seems like every time it wants to go, but it just sometimes flounders a little bit.
21:53Yeah, I mean, look, they're benefiting from some lower rates. The yield curve narrowed a little bit, so that wasn't great for the banks. But there's still economic concerns. And so you can get hopeful or cautious, and these are very much tied to the economy. Some of the Goldman Sachs and some of those stocks are doing well. Like Goldman Sachs this week came out and said mergers and acquisitions are doing very well. And so you can see how this one has sort of been trending higher from things and just really made a solid move today. But it seems like traditional banking still just seems to be like sort of holding its place, whereas more of the Wall Street type situations that are doing better.
22:37And staples, as you would expect, you know, not doing great. I'm just going to take a step back here on the weekly. And here again, you might look at this and say, well, gosh, it's at least not losing ground. But compared to the S &P 500, which is what this relative strength does, this has been and a downtrend, which you kind of want to see that. If people are buying their canned goods, that's usually not good for the market. Not great. That's usually a hiding thing. Yeah, and it seems to be more on the good side. I'd say some of the discounters are doing better. I'm not saying entirely. Like Walmart had a strong week, but I think it's more like your product foods situations out there.
23:16Walmart doesn't beating anybody on the relative strength, really, but it's made a nice bounce back. Mm-hmm. XLK, the technology, again, this is dominated by your NVIDIAs and your Apples, but a nice breakout that we saw this week and held the gains. So a pretty good-looking weekly chart for XLK. Yeah. I mean, this is where the strength is. It sort of bounced off the 10-week line. Again, it's just like big, powerful move, new highs, but not extended, which is nice. It's a nice mix. It's not, you do another gain like this and maybe you're getting there or starting to get there, but not. But it's a very favorable chart.
24:00Let's also take a look. We already looked at our SPY, SMH and gold, but let's take a look at utilities, which, again, kind of like gold, it's a little unusual to see it going in the same direction as growth. But, you know, we've been kind of talking about how some of these utility plays are a little bit more AI adjacent because of the energy needs of your data centers and so on. Yeah, I mean, when utilities are right, this is more understandable because, yeah, because their AI plays. And so, exactly, a number of them bounce back. Honestly, we see a lot of charts like this this past week, bouncing back above the 50-day line, maybe breaking trend lines or coming up to trend lines within bases.
24:44So, a lot like this. So, yeah, this is your AI defensive sector, I guess. I'm not sure what you're talking about. I defensive XLY, which includes, you know, Amazon and Tesla and the consumer discretionary. So no big surprise that because of the move in Tesla, XLY was having a pretty good day. Amazon also set up with a base, although that breakout right now seems to be potentially in trouble, but still support at the 50 day moving average line. But XLY, not a bad look with those two doing well. Yeah, absolutely. Looking good. And then XLC was the top sector spider of the 11. And of course, this has Meta and Google.
25:32Google, I mean, Alphabet is certainly been, I think, the surprise powerhouse for the Mag 7. Really strong action there. But I should mention that XLC, as strong as that was, actually the equal weighted RSPC was even better today with a 1.34 percent gain versus versus a 0.83 percent for XLC. So I don't know if some of that has to do with like Warner Brothers Discovery, which which was coming up quite a bit. But what's your take on XLC, the communications area? Yeah, I mean, for today, and also, I mean, Meta and Google were up, you know, they were up slightly today. So that's, they lagged the overall index.
26:23So that's also one reason there. I mean, Meta, they have a big conference tomorrow, next week, a Connect conference. So that will be interesting. They'll tout their AI, maybe some augmented glasses and stuff. This one's working on a base. It doesn't have one yet. Maybe another week. Maybe the short-term highs can act as a de facto, too low handle kind of for that name. But yeah, that's what's going on there. And then we have been throwing IBIT into this crowd as well for our sectors. Bitcoin, and I'm going to throw in Ethereum as well, ETHA. I do have a position in both IBIT and ETHA, but what's your take on the crypto?
27:03I mean, you know, certainly it's worth noting that we had some, you know, crypto news in terms of the Gemini coming out today. There was the BLSH, which is bullish. So what is that doing for crypto? Well, like there just seems to be a push again. I mean, I think I don't know if it was those IPOs or if it's just a risk on kind of attitude. And that seems to be in. Ethereum really has taken the lead. That one's more harder. I mean, that one's a little bit more delicate. I like this one. You could have bought it. It's already getting up there versus a 21-day line. And this one, you know, could see some big swings up and down.
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27:44Ibit, you know, Ibit, that one's going above the 50-day line. That has often been a decent place to buy Bitcoin. One, you know where you can exit. If it clearly closes below the 50-day line, that could be an exit strategy. And two, it's just like it has these ups and downs. And, you know, it's nice to get in there as early as possible. Most finance teams are spending on the wrong things. Expense reports, spend policy PDFs that nobody reads, a close that stretches into weeks. That's maintenance, not momentum. It's time to get Brex AF, a gentic finance that eliminates that work before it starts.
28:18Learn more at brex.com slash AF. Let's go ahead and shift gears a little bit and get into a little bit of a discussion of the individual stocks. and we might as well start with NVIDIA. It's funny because there were a couple of shows that we had on IBD Live where we, you know, we just didn't get to NVIDIA for a while. It seemed like it was almost falling off of our radar. But this move, this gap up above the 50-day moving average line this week and holding is kind of putting this, I think, a little bit more top of mind. Absolutely. And it does have a weekly, it'll have a flat base on a weekly chart after, you know, a couple hours, it'll show up.
28:56So that'll be a buy point. You know, it's sort of flashing early buy signal. I think on Wednesday, I think now you could just wait to get above this week's high. It would probably serve as an early entry and still be pretty close to the 50-day line. Obviously, Oracle's news. I mean, Oracle's huge backlog suggests they're going to buy tons of chips. You know, there's all that kind of stuff. It's just that voracious that really boosted that back up again. I think the only real downside, because NVIDIA had, you know, they had a negative reaction to earnings, even though the earnings were fine. They maybe just didn't beat by enough.
29:27The only thing is that, is NVIDIA enough of a leader right now? It feels like Broadcom and Credo and Estera Labs. And those are all extended, okay? Those are greatly extended. But the question is, is NVIDIA going to, you know, is NVIDIA going to, you know, sort of catch up to them? Because these stocks are way out there. Or, you know, so that would be one issue. Is there going to be a lag issue? And NVIDIA has done that before. NVIDIA can lag for a long time. Even in this AI run, we've had some pretty big pauses for NVIDIA. So the idea that it could go sideways for a while is not out there. I mean, it doesn't feel like that kind of market right now, but it just sort of, do you buy what now is probably the seventh best, eighth best, you know, AI chip name, you know, let alone all the other names that are out there?
30:20I don't know. That's the only question. I mean, you can't go wrong. And no mutual fund is going to look stupid for buying NVIDIA. So I don't want to make it. But I'm just bringing up that. It's not that surefire, you know, slam dunk that it was at various times because there are definitely some stronger performers. And to your point, you know, there can be, you know, as much as a lot of people will maybe focus on how far this has come from. It's 2016. I mean, it's off the chart here. I'm going to just go ahead and go to best fit real quick. But since this 2016 move, I mean, you're up just so many multiples.
31:00And, you know, for someone that's held that entire time, it's a different story. But, man, this has not been easy to hold through some of these very punishing times of either, you know, just underperformance versus the indexes like in here or downright devastating drawdowns, you know, well over 50 percent. Yeah. And there have been concerns. And some of those drawdowns have been like real concerns about the health of AI. Those concerns faded. And the concerns now are not about AI. The concerns are more about, well, is NVIDIA not going to do as well as, say, Broadcom? There's that push toward custom.
31:38You know, I'm not enough of an expert to tell you what, how that's all going to work out. Clearly, there's a lot of demand. Clearly, NVIDIA earnings are going to be strong for the next several quarters. So it's not like that. I mean, we know there's a lot of growth. So I don't want to be negative. And maybe it will. Maybe now that things have digested, it's like, oh, wait a second. Isn't it time for NVIDIA to go run? And I certainly would not shock me at all if it over the next four weeks it rose 20, 25 percent because it is it is setting up again. It's definitely one that investors should be paying attention to.
32:13And it does do that, you know, out of some of these consolidations. So and AI is, of course, having a lot of influence on energy concerns because of how much energy I mean, you know, whether it's cooling down the chips that run about seven times hotter. when you're dealing with your, you know, your massive, your massive computational power here, or, you know, just the data centers themselves. So GE Vernova, of course, this is one of the spinoffs. GE, you know, went into the aerospace, the healthcare and the energy. This is the energy component of that breakup. What do you what do you think of this one?
32:53It was certainly looking a little bit troublesome as it was under the 50-day moving average line. But this break back above it is maybe putting it in a different light. Yeah. I mean, this one is going to have a base as well. It's a six-week base. I guess it was a little too deep for a flat base before. You know, yeah, it hit resistance at 50-day, 50-day, but then it didn't. It did punch through, like just sort of like that battering ram. It doesn't always go through the first time. You know, sometimes you have to hit that, you know, can't go through the castle gates after a few blows. Yeah, this one, it sort of flashed an early entry.
33:26Now, again, sort of like NVIDIA getting above this week's highs would, you know, would seem to me clear an early entry there. Still close to 50-day line. It would be above the short-term high from a few weeks ago. This is the first test of the 10-week line. So it's an early entry slash just a bounce from the 10-week line, however you want to look at it. So this one, again, another one of the leaders. I mean, you obviously, you know, So this is another way to play it. This one has lumpier earnings for sure, but it has strong earnings. So, you know, it's so there was a big rally that came in from the spring, a couple of opportunities.
34:05And this is really the first really good opportunity in a few months to get involved. Yeah. And when you consider where it's come from the follow through day, here's the start of the follow through day on April 22nd. As you mentioned, it did have this, you know, short consolidation, but at least something for you to trade off of for a potential entry there as well. And now it's still, despite this move below the 10-week moving average line briefly, it is still holding the bulk of the gains from that huge move. Let's go ahead and round out the conversation on individual stocks with a power move here in Rocket Lab RKLB.
34:44I do have a position in this myself. We also put this on leaderboard, but nice, nice breakout here. It does tend to be a faster mover. But what's your what's your take here? Aerospace defense. But this is kind of a little specialized in the space. Yeah, this one. I don't think I would like this ride. I mean, it's like it's fun when it rockets. I mean, it is. And look, it's really good. The RS line at a new high. Boy, just last week, it had a really ugly sell-off. I mean, it sort of flirted with a buy signal and came right down. I mean, just powered down. But it then, you know, it bounced right back.
35:2611.7 % in a day. In a day. And I don't think there was particular news. I mean, there might have been something out there, but it wasn't like Rocket Lab is doomed or any kind of news. It was so really bad move. Came back, made a strong move today. And, yeah, this is one, again, you can have some of these speculative names. There's a lot of interest in this one. There's a lot of reasons to be interested in this one. But I guess just be careful because your heart may not be able to take it. If you buy – if you have a portfolio of rocket labs, you could be down 10 % a day. And maybe if we just look at a couple other names, if we could look at Ionic and Oklo.
36:07Ionic is in the quantum space, and that one heated up. They had an analyst day today. A few other names went higher. You know, this one, maybe you could have argued to cross the trend line yesterday, but there was an analyst day today. It's out there. I mean, this basically, I mean, it has revenue. But I mean, honestly, that's that's nobody's buying this because it has twenty one million dollars in sales and it's going to have losses for a while. So someday it will you know, the hope is that it turns a profit. But this shows you there's sort of a speculative nature to it. Not everything's speculative work today, but an Oclo is another name, nuclear AI play, you know, AI adjacent play.
36:45And strong week. It's extended from the 50-day line. I guess you could argue it's still in range of maybe the 80 short-term high. There was a trend line. But this one can really fall pretty quickly. So, again, I think with something like this, you want to try to buy as close to the buy point early entries as you can. This would probably have a consolidation in another week, but who knows where this will be in a week. This could be 20 % above the base or diving towards 60, so I don't know. Right. And it was kind of interesting to me that, again, you do associate OCLO with the nuclear, but CCJ, uranium play, was down today.
37:26So it certainly wasn't a broad-based nuclear move. Yeah, that is interesting. And that seems to be, I mean, that's worth watching. It's been a nice move when it actually has a base and near the 50-day line, because the 50-day line seems to have been a place that's a little safer because this one often fails after its breakout. Not this last time, but it does have a tendency to do that. But you're right, not everything went up. Okay, so just to kind of wrap up our discussion here, I'm going to show one more chart. You know, we're not going to get to our typical Webby charts, but I do think it's important to make sure that we spend a little bit of time on the regression line.
38:05That's something that we've been we've been sharing here. So I'm going to bring up my regression line on Thinkorswim. And this is this is the NASDAQ composite using May 12th, this gap up that we had. And, you know, just as a reminder for folks, we're using a half standard deviation above the red dashed line, a full standard deviation, the solid red line, three quarter standard deviation below as our green dashed line and a full standard deviation below as our full standard deviation. And as we noted, as we've been noting on this show for a while, Webby has mentioned how we did get below that green line, which is usually a bad sign.
38:48If you stay below there, it kind of tells you that your trend is broken. But because we came right back, this is still intact. So we're still we're still looking at this. The expectation was that once you get back above that line and kind of above this green dash line, you you expect to get up to that white, that white regression line. That's the average here regression line over a 20-day period. So that is the expectation that's still holding. We kind of would have expected it to happen maybe a little bit quicker. But so far, it is plodding along its way. So that's still the expectation there.
39:24S &P 500, in a similar way, you know, it's, oh, you know what? I think I have my line messed up here. This line should be at 0.75, and I think it's at 0.5. But it should be a little bit lower. But it's in kind of that same same area where we would expect that to be kind of getting back above that area. And then also, as we've noted, it's a little bit too soon for the Russell 2000. So we're you know, that that's a little bit more of a recent move. So we need more days there before we start drawing our regression channel lines on that one. So tune in next week to see if we're ready to do that. But, Ed, you were mentioning before we came on about how one of the overall takes here is that we aren't too extended.
40:13So kind of give us your give us your final thoughts in terms of the market and what we should be looking at next week. Yeah, I mean, I think the regression line, if it's in and other things to start looking like we're extended, we've just but at the same time, we feel like we're just starting a new leg. that the Aldi indexes are really finely cleared out of that, suggesting that choppy nature that was making new buys difficult. I mean, sometimes they would fizzle. Sometimes it would bounce right back. But, you know, it was tricky. So that suggests like it's maybe the combination of we seem to be in, you know, a clear space and the fact that we're not extended suggests this is a time not only to be heavily extended, heavily invested, but maybe even stepping down the gas a little bit, both in terms of exposure and maybe how speculative, you know, maybe more aggressive high octane names.
41:04Again, that depends on your personal, you know, risk tolerance and such. That could all change. The Fed meeting is going to be important. But again, we don't have a whole lot of news items out other than the Fed. I mean, there's stuff out there. So there's not the same kind of, oh, no, watch out for this. Oh, no, watch out for that, that you just don't know. So it seems like we could have the runway for growth. So I just think that investors should be keeping them on. Again, Monday, next week could change all that again. But it just feels like a time to be relatively aggressive, but also just following your rules.
41:42Don't drive, go off road, stay on the road, don't buy extended. There are opportunities out there. run your screen so you can find the good opportunities and buying them at the right times, rather than taking unnecessary risk. You're already going to take on risk, but do it as safely as you can. Very good. Words to live by, I think, in life and in the stock market. So thank you so much for the comments, Ed. And of course, you can catch Ed very frequently on, well, maybe a little bit more to talk about when the earnings season picks up on your earnings Cheat Cheat that you do every Friday. There's still some stragglers there, especially members of the S &P 500.
42:22Yeah, we're taking a break, though. We are taking a break for a few weeks. But, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. So, you can check that out once earnings season starts ramping up again. And, of course, Ed is frequently a panelist and host on IBD Live. So, if you haven't checked that out at investors.com slash IBD Live, it's a great show. I will be hosting on Monday. we had a slew of guests, including George Kachuk, Mark Minervini, both of whom have won U.S. Investing Championships, and then also David Keller from Sierra Alpha Research this week. So it was a pretty jam-packed guest week, as well as our typical guest, David Ryan, who shows up every Tuesday.
43:05He, of course, was a William O 'Neill protege and three-time U.S. Investing Championship winner, I think back-to-back, if I'm not mistaken, a three-peat of years back in the 80s. So Ed and I can be found on that show as well as the Stock Market Day video after the close. So hope you join us next week. And again, thanks a lot, Ed. And we will see you all next week. Have a great weekend, everybody.
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