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1:07That's O-D-O-O dot com. Hello and welcome to Tailender's Live from Lords. Hello and thank you for having us on Tailender's Live from Lords, your loosely created podcast. We are watching Pakistan planking on the outfield as we speak. Why are you planking now, mate? Not getting any wickets? Don't say that too loud. Sorry, what that was probably audible. Side planking now. Jimmy Anderson taking a sip of his favourite drink at the home of cricket. Is that the first Guinness you've had since you were on the balcony? At Lords, at Lords. Yes, this is the first Guinness I've had since that day, I think.

1:42What about that advert you did for Guinness? Didn't you have one then? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I had loads. Oh, OK. Well, other stouts are available. How about that? That covers all bases, doesn't it? And please drink responsibly, or ideally, not at all. I can't heed my own advice, though. Why would you? So we're here on the eve of the second Cornhill Insurance Test match at the home of cricket. And we're here for a very special reason. Jimmy, can you tell everyone why we're here? Yeah, we're here for the unveiling of a portrait that has been done of myself and Stuart Broad, which is going to take its place in the Laws long room.

2:21Guitar sound here, sharky, had effect. huge moment this is as soon as we got as soon as we caught wind of this we thought we gotta we gotta turn up just to see we know and actually i think we're all a bit like this but jimmy i've learned that you are selective over photos of yourself yes as we all i think everyone's allowed to be you know you you want to protect that image but you can't be selective over a portrait of yourself. I'd like to bring in the portrait artist, Jamie Routley. Jamie, welcome to Tailenders. Thank you. Also a Tailender. I am a Tailender, yes. That's great news. Yeah, yeah, big fan.

3:01We weren't sure what we were going to be faced with today. Yeah. We weren't sure what sort of portrait artist you would be. So what do you think, like, what would you have had in your mind? What does an artist look like? All I can think of is Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio from the Titanic. And this isn't it? No, you do look a bit like that. You actually do have a bit of that vibe. And did you paint him like one of your French girls? No.

3:31It's a life drawing, right? I mean, if I was painting Stokesy, I'd probably ask for that with all the tattoos and stuff. That would be quite... What picture have you used of him? Or is that all to be seen? We don't know any details yet until unveiling. So we had a big sitting back in February, but that was on the back of sort of about nine months of research and sort of chatting. And I had a pretty decent idea of the composition and what I wanted to do. The plan was to have more sittings after that. But I also knew that with the cricket season starting and having an idea of your temperament that I might not get you again.

4:12so I had to I had to make sure that I got everything in that day so we had a full day in the studio I had everything set up the light the way that I wanted the clothing well that was another story in itself and it was period dress right period dress yeah yeah so we were going for like 1920s cricket yeah sort of but still with Waitrose written on the front yeah Stuart Borden is Charles Tarririt t-shirts exactly yeah yeah oh so you both did that I didn't know that happened. That would be my background. That's the way that I would usually work. I'd have people come in and sit. It's not always possible.

4:47And with people that are extremely busy, you have to find other ways to do things. Have you done sports people before? Because we had a conversation just now where you're saying you haven't done anything in the long room. So I haven't done anything in the long room before. I've been working on a few things with Ian Wright over the past few years. And I'm just about to start a much bigger painting. that's just a personal project with us right okay and uh who knows what will happen at the end of that but it's the sport world is is a world that i that i grew up in like you do yeah in love big sports fan and so getting the opportunity to work with some of your heroes is just a dream come true it's like a full circle yeah moment i legends i'm sorry to interrupt this moment no please do For good cricketing reasons, I've just been given word.

5:39I can spot in the corner of my eye the Pakistan sub-wicket keeper, Ghazi Ghuri, who is Rizwan's number two. I've just received a message that he wants to have a photo with Jimmy. Mate, come on, man. You've got to do that. Ghazi, welcome to Terlenders. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Really good. Go well, go well. Oh, that's so sweet. Ghazi, can I ask a question? First of all, how old are you? I'm 23. 23, so you grew up watching Jimmy Anderson? Not growing up, but when I grew up, I watched him. Yeah, so he was playing Test cricket when you were born? Yeah, before that, I think. Wow. How would you have kept to Jimmy Anderson?

6:20I think I would have 100 dismissals by now. I love that. Nick off, nick off, nick off. And how's Rizzi looking for tomorrow? Are you going to be playing? He's good, I think he's confident. He's an important player for the team. Let's see what happens. There's a lovely big staircase here that we could push him down if you want a game. No, no, no. No, okay. You want to earn that place on your own merits. Ghazi Guri, thank you so much for being on TailEnders. Thank you so much. And go well this week. Go well. Take care. Lovely to meet you, mate. Tell Rizzi he's fit. Yeah. To be clear, just for legal reasons, I would never push.

6:53No. I wouldn't say anyone, but I would never push Mohamed Rizwan down the stairs. That was so lovely. That was nice. Jimmy, he's in the Pakistan squad. and just as we're getting a sense of perspective while you're talking about painting Jimmy about what Jimmy means to cricket it's been quite something being so immersed in like who you are, who Stuart is and just the if anyone gets even a sniff of what I've been doing they just they just lose their minds I love that I don't really get that starstruck not because I'm not like other people of course you sort of have a sense of someone's aura and presence and what they've done but I just can't I probably just can't afford to either like this yeah yeah you know I with it with Ian when I was when I started the first couple of sittings with Ian because we've done lots and just making small head studies and stuff I had to remind myself stop talking because I just wanted to just ask him loads of questions yeah and just my wife said to me she's like you've got to like you can't just use this as an excuse to hang out with Ian Wright it can be both it can be both I mean we created a podcast so we could hang out with Jimmy Anderson yeah and that works and now Stuart Broad's turned up go well Broadie it's nice that you haven't forgotten your podcast roots now that you've got your own don't forget where you came from is what I'm saying do you know what I was thinking about this today what tour was it where we were walking down the beach in the Caribbean I think St Lucia and it was my first realisation of how big your podcast was because everyone lying on the beach was going cheers go well Jimmy go well Jimmy you were just going cheers cheers Cheers.

8:30Like, for an hour. What would that have been? 2019 or 15? When did you start? 17 we started. So 19. 19, yeah. 19, yeah. We were talking about, Jamie, we were talking about being starstruck. I'm now starstruck by the hover cover. Yeah. Which is coming on to cover the test wicket for tomorrow. Both of you have seen it from here. Brody, have you seen it out in the middle? Have you been out there? I haven't. Looks like a bowl first to me from here. Jimmy? Yeah, I'd say bowl first. What you're seeing at the minute in cricket in general in this country is because we've had such a dry summer, everyone's leaving grass on the top because they're scared of it getting too dry.

9:05So I wouldn't be surprised if that's really dry underneath. So it'd be good to bowl day one and then it will spin at the end, I reckon. Will they give that another cut tomorrow morning? Potentially. I think they generally do. And there's always less grass on it than you think. Look at that. If that was at Trent Bridge, it might be 10 millimetres and this would be like three. There's always less. Let's be honest. We've played here long enough. is probably going to bounce to keep the first ball, isn't it? Hit him in the shin. As long as it's not as bad as the last test here, I think. I've got a few more days cricket than that.

9:34Jamie, we were talking about the significance of these two. It is always amazing to witness people meeting them and that feeling of being starstruck. There's something about sports people that does that to me and Felix definitely, and it sounds like it does it to you. What have been some of your favourite moments watching these two as a tailender? as the tailor well actually during the process of making the painting it it was amazing to have the county cricket on the radio and to be listening to you whilst i'm painting you um continue to make to make history and then the one time oh that's nice yeah it was it was quite something and i've replayed test matches as well like i replayed your last one and i found myself i put my palette down and I was leaning on the easel.

10:20And then I had to remind, I know what happens. Like, I know what happens. Oh, you're leaning on the easel out of hyperventilation. Oh, okay, out of tension. That's interesting, Stuart, because I was actually thinking about that the other day. How has that lived with you now, your last test? Because when I think back about that now, it's like a psychedelic mirage. Do you think about... He hasn't got a clue what you've just said, what them two words are. Do you think at the end of your career it's a psychedelic mirage? can you just explain to me what that's saying do you know three years it always comes up all that days like i sit on instagram three years today and i think where has that time gone first of all so that is crazy because i can i can genuinely remember that feeling of like running off to him and me to like jimmy being the first person i met on that sort of aeroplane run and i must admit i remember the feeling of being out there but i do love seeing the footage of people's reaction in the crowd because what I forgot was people were wearing headbands and uh you know it felt it it was it was really special and I think I do feel very lucky to like look back on that and remember and still feel it if that makes any sense you know I do the oval's always been a special ground because I think it's special because we always used to finish there right it's different this year I don't know why we're not finishing out the oval it was always the last test of summer so it would always finish there so you'd have memories of like lifting a trophy or you know you'd be signing off for the summer and having a three or four week break so it's always had great memories but yeah that that feeling taking the boots off for the last time I think I threw them in the bin which I get I don't know why I did that and I sort of wish I had them but um I remember you like holding them over and just casually like drop drop like mic drop into the bin yeah they were gone and like blood covering my toes and I just everything felt like it was the last time like looking like take those socks off cheers put them in the bin that's done you know but but in a nice way not in a in a sour way so yeah it was well that's the remarkable thing we've talked about on the podcast a bit is that you felt and seemed absolutely ready to go to the point where I think we joked not so long ago that my theory is that you actually just became a professional cricketer in order to get a job at sky because you're so good I'll ask it feels like you've been there forever but also the new person It's a weird one.

12:37I don't know how you feel for you as a cricket fan, but it feels like Brodie's only just finished playing, but simultaneously has always been sort of a pundit on the go. Well, no, and I'm really brilliant at that job as well. How does it feel for you? Do you feel like the transition has been fairly straightforward? Because it seems like it has been from our perspective. It has been, I suppose, straightforward in a sense. So I think the biggest thing that I've found is you leave a changing room, and you often hear people go, you know, you're leaving a team, you lose that team environment. And the sky, it's just the same.

13:10You know, you've got producer, cameraman, directors, commentators. So you walk into the same bubble. So Nasser is like the grumpy one who's always like taking the mick out of everybody every morning. You know, you turn up, you're supposed to be there at 8.30, turn up at 8.30, afternoon. You know, all that sort of basic banter that's in a cricket changing room all the time. You know, it has been great. And ultimately, I think all of us are cricket geeks in a sense, aren't we? We love talking about cricket, watching cricket. And to be able to talk about it and give honest opinions on it is great.

13:43And you definitely have, again, as a player, a series that you're buzzing to be commentating on and a series that you watch with a little bit less thrill. But, you know, I'm really excited about next summer, for example, first time of commentating on Ashes series at home. But yeah, it's great. I love it. Ultimately, just waffle about cricket. Has there been a moment since you retired where you thought, I'd love to actually bowl on that. I'd love to. I'd know how to get him out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Quite a lot of the pitches recently seem to nip about a bit, don't they? But it's not. It's less that, actually, because even when a pitch is nipping around, you're still as a bowler, you're feeling a pressure to get wickets.

14:22There is a pressure like, oh, you should get wickets on that. the moment I had was at Trent Bridge walking across the outfield at T in between innings and England were coming out to bowl so it was a brand new ball under lights all the crowd had stayed in because it was only that sort of 10 minute break between innings and I was like I'd love to have it I would love to have a brand new ball in my hand like charging in now you know four four-ish in the afternoon crowds building I used to love Jimmy always bowled the first over so I'd always just have that calm at mid on settling. Does that make sense?

14:54I always used to wonder with Jimmy, I didn't know how he did it because he would run in every time with the first ball, the seam up, like trying to swing it, trying to, I would always have to wobble it or not cross seam because I was worried like where it might go. Whereas every first ball of a test series, you'd run in, seam up, wouldn't you? How did you get 600 wickets? Astonishing. Determination. No, I guess I just, when I first played with you, you were swing bowler. Yeah. And then you sort of, then there was a period where you like became, he's tall, he's quick. So we're going to, you're going to have to bowl, like hit the deck, aggressive stuff.

15:31And then maybe you lost that confidence with it, with it. And then it got it back towards in. Then you start, you actually became a, probably a better in swing bowler than an out swing bowler. The enforcer thing was never my choice. I think that was sort of Strauss as captain. The bowling attack was all looking quite similar. what was it you brezzy maybe tremlett a bit and i was the only option to bowl bounces so it was like you're going to have to do that which i never really wanted to and it got to a stage where i was going to get dropped and i sort of said on this balcony above us i said look if i'm under pressure or not taking wickets at least let me go down in my own style i want to bowl at stumps you know that's that's you know i'm not making a career of bowling short every ball and then with the swing I actually decided, I think your best away swinger beats the outside edge.

16:17Your best nitbacker hits off stump or hits a ****. That was like over five or six years, the start of my career. That was the feeling. You could bowl a perfect away swinger. Someone has a driver and it goes through to the keeper. But the perfect nitbacker's out. So I definitely, there was a definite change of looking to nitback at the stumps. And you were a wobblesseer. You swung it 15, 20 % at the time back end, no? Yeah, I think swing went, the amount of times I tried to swing it got less and still now, like, in counter cricket is less than what I would normally. I think that the balls have changed from when we first started.

16:54They don't swing as much or for as long. Pitchers probably lean towards, like, you get on a green seamer, the last thing you want to do is swing it. You've got to try and nip it, haven't you? We saw that with Ollie Robinson at Henningly and Josh Tong as well. But I think, like, you said about what you miss, when do you miss that test cricket or whatever, but for me it's like the I used to love coming off the field having grafted on a flat one and bowled them out for like 400 but you bowled 25 overs each and you're aching and you're stiff and then you just sat there slumped in your chair looking at each other going yeah we've achieved something today we've actually put in a good shift and that's when you get most satisfaction I think rather than bowling on pitches where you're expected to get wickets Mark Wood said a similar thing on TMS last week because there was quite a big rain break Woody was amazing on the radio he was very good on telly as well but they had a really great hour with Woody talking about that and he said however I was feeling if the captain said bowl I'd be so up for it I just want to keep going whenever you put that England shirt on you just keep going so maybe that's the thing that you missed do you feel like that Brody?

18:05do you feel like those days? I agree with you There's nothing more satisfying. I think particularly fourth innings, actually, when you've had to bowl 100, 120 overs to get 10 wickets, like on an old school test pitch, like brilliant. And you walk off and you know that, yes, the bowling attack have put yards in, but everyone has. Someone's taken a brilliant catch. It's been a great run out. I think, yeah, they're awesome. Don't get me wrong. I quite like the ones that swing all over the place. But the great satisfaction is, yeah, 20 overs, 25 overs in and you know you've got to go again. You're hoping you're praying that your batter's just bat for 80 overs so you rest because if you get bowled in 40 you're going to be in absolute agony and that brings all that sort of nervousness I'll remember Spells bowling 8 overs 1 for 8 in India when Swanee's tearing it up the other end and I'm just doing a job for him at the other end.

19:00I'm just keeping it tight. That's what like New Zealand here when you were rattling through in one end and I was I'll just keep it dry this end so he can just attack from the other end. He got 7 for 44 off 11, so it'd be expensive. Well, it's a hand. No, but they're the spells that you remember. The grafty ones are the ones that I really enjoy. That springs to mind is Cape Town away. Did you bust your rib? Yeah. That was one of those, I can't remember exact overs, maybe 120, but we're into the last session and we need six wickets. and I remember Jimmy bowling at least a couple more overs when you felt like he'd broken his rib.

19:39He's like, I just need to hold up an end because I'll get a wicket at the other end if I just bowl. And if I bowl a few more, then you can bowl five and then Stokesy will finish. And, you know, that's a different type of grit that ultimately everyone, like, you're all in the same place to try and win. Northern grit. You don't get it down here. What do you say? Northern grit. Do you miss each other? Not on a personal level. On a bowling level, because we know the answer from you, Jim. On a bowling level. Do you miss bowling with each other? Bowling with each other? Oh, God, I wish he'd been bowling at the other end to me for Lanx this year.

20:10But yeah, of course. Absolutely, yeah. All my fondest memories came with bowling with Jimmy at the other end, a couple with Swanee maybe. But I think we genuinely just saw it as both of us working out how to break their partnership. It was me and him versus the two batters. And it didn't really matter who got the wicket. We were working to see... I'd always leave him three balls. Give him three balls to work out. Because Jimmy would assess it all in three balls. That makes sense. So give three balls a test. Walk up to him. What do you think? Swinging a bit needs to be a bit fuller. If you're a bit short, sit in it.

20:45And then that would be the info I'd then use for my first over. Does that make sense? And then we'd continue that all the way through a spell. Have you tried a bouncer yet? You didn't tend to go early with the bouncer, did you? But you'd always be back of a length, back of a length. If you try pushing it fuller yet, wobblesseying, swinging a bit. don't bowl that like the telling's off I get if I miss the seam and it was swinging do you know what I mean we'd rarely I'd rarely bowl a bumper or something out of my comfort zone without asking you yeah or I'd go 12 out swingers shall I bowl an in swinger I'd run it by broadly first he'd go no no get out your over save it for the next over something like you know it's just a constant sort of a lot of communication and I think that's you know it took us a while to get there actually But I think that was the biggest strength of our partnership was the communication and how we could read situations, we could read batters, we could read conditions and then knew how to talk to each other.

21:44I could watch him from mid-off, I could watch him run in and see how his action looks and stuff to feed information to him. So all that sort of thing, I think that gets missed quite a lot in cricket now. The teams I've played in since and before didn't have that level of communication. It's similar to, I'd say, Cook and Strauss at the top. They know each other's game inside out, so they could go, right, he's swinging it away, you leave well, so just look to leave for a bit and then we'll take it from there. We fielded mid-on and mid-off to each other when we bowled. And even now, I look at bowling attacks that just one's at fine leg, one's bowling.

22:22You think, how are you sharing information? So because of that, Jimmy go, bouncer now, you just see things differently from it on. No, no, no, just hold it a couple more balls. I used to hate the bouncer, last ball and over, because you bowl the bouncer, last ball, the over. You're bowling a bouncer to set the batter back to then bowl the fuller ball to try and get a nick. But you bowl the last ball and then you're not bowling the next ball anyway. It's a change. So we'd have all those. Unless it's the 100, of course. Unless it's the 100, you go another five. Could be another set. Another set.

22:48Can I just say, it's wonderful to hear this because this is exactly what the painting is about, not to bring it back to me. The whole painting is centered around that communication. That's the one thing that kept coming up in my notes all the time we talked about it, is that friendship, that communication. That was, to me, just the thing. And I know that we all haven't seen it yet, but that is essentially what the painting is built around. it's this conversation that's either just happened or is just about to happen and there's this shared focus looking at me but the idea is that you know you the viewer take on the position of the poor batsman that's about to face whatever's coming that was really the the nucleus to the whole thing which is great to listen to that it's amazing it's gone now though because we just text each other now and it's dad emojis thumbs up like frowny face i don't know if it's just me all good jimmy all good do you just all good mate yeah but that's his love language yeah yeah yeah like my favorite my favorite bit of tail enders is when you have a you know you maybe talk for a couple of minutes and there's a question at the end of it for jimmy and jimmy just gives you a one word yeah you know and that's it just silence he gives the people what they don't want yeah and that's and that's jimmy anderson yeah okay do you know what i love one thing i would always say about jimmy if you ever meet him and he's in a hotel pre-10 a.m don't bother that is not his time don't if he's having breakfast that isn't your time to wander up and go all right jim how you doing like you enjoy your meal last night if it's post 10 a.m fire away go up to him wherever he is in the street on the tube but pre-10am just let him be pre-first ball sweet spots about 8pm after two or three pints and in the fire fire away yeah no wherever yeah wherever if you're in st johnswood come come and give me a shout come and give me a hug just just before we move on and get this portrait unveiled the communication that you all three of you are talking about do you see that do you see the green shoots of that with the new look england bowling attack or Do you see bits of it?

25:03Do you see it sort of developing somewhere? Are you excited for that to maybe happen? Could we be seeing big new partnerships, the next Jimmy Brodie type? I hope so. And if so, who do you see it from? In Australia, no, I didn't see any of it, nothing. It was just Stokes on his own trying to set everyone's field, do everything. And it was four bowlers individually just bowling a spell and moving on. The personnel has not changed dramatically. but apart from obviously the captain but but that was a that i'm not saying it's stokes his fault at all but it's the responsibility of the bowlers to get get close get tight share everything you got to be quite vulnerable to have great communication right you know i need jimmy jimmy to come to go feel awful stripe patterns off completely like what you're seeing just i'm nowhere just get in and out this spell or whatever and i don't see that yet but you need time you I was saying to Jimmy, Jimmy just said on the pod here, it was probably four or five years for us, probably.

25:59Well, to get that communication. I think the communication stuff got better when we had Otis Gibson as bowling coach and David Saker as bowling coach. Those two really drove it. So whether it was in a meeting or whether it was in the nets, they drive that communication, talk to each other. How are you trying to get him out and share it? and you know for the for well since we finished there's not been a permanent bowling coach has been a few people in and out and now Stephen Fleming's come in I think that's a really important role in this group with a young group of seamers to get someone who can get that communication going because it's the difference between a good attack and a world-class attack I think that communication because that we've got as we've seen in this series this summer so far oh, we've got world-class bowlers or potentially world-class bowlers.

26:52And it's about then how do you turn that into a world-class bowling group? And just to jump on the back of that, I don't want to finish that just saying, no, the communication is not there because it will grow. But we've got, I think Gus Atkinson could be a world leader. Josh Tung's got amazing attributes. Joffre's Joffre, you know, he's got wicket-taking ability. Ollie's come back in and had a great summer in his two test matches so far. and you've got bowlers in and around that. So it's a brilliant bowling attack if everyone's ready to go and if they're communicating. But it's hard to judge on the pitches we've played on this summer.

27:30Really, at Headingley against Pakistan and here against New Zealand, a county attack could have played and got 20 wickets, probably. The real question comes if you play on a flat one, like the Oval against New Zealand and it all fell apart, that's when actually communication is everything. That's when you judge a team. So you go to see what they're like in South Africa if it gets a bit hot and someone gets 100. Who's finishing off a tail when they're 400 for eight on the morning of day two or nearing lunch on day two? That's when you get tested as a group. That's when you show how good you are, not on wickets that assist you and conditions that assist you.

28:04So I think, as Brodie said, there's so much potential in that group. It just needs nurturing for the next few months or years. Prep for a busy week with Whole Foods Market. Start your day with fully cooked breakfast sausages from Amy Liu, 365 brand frozen waffles with no bleached flours, and of course Whole Foods Market eggs, which are all cage-free or better. In the evening, bring home a build-your-own family meal that feeds four for just$35. Choose one entree and two sides. Shop smarter, not harder, at Whole Foods Market. Is that a bit of you, bowling coach? Well, I did go straight into it after I finished playing.

28:49Hard to really commit to why you're still playing, though. Yeah. Well, I'm doing my coaching badge at the minute, trying to learn about how to be a good coach, because I don't know if I would be. But when I'm still playing, I'll just focus on that and then see what happens. Do you think he'd be a good one? You've got a sense about it? Yeah, I feel like that. Yeah. With Jimmy, obviously you've known him as long as me. or longer it takes a bit of time to get to know him but I think that's a good thing about coaches you don't want a coach to come in and go like do this do that do this it should be as a like a private conversation between bowler and bowling coach of what I need to work on you know it's going to go no further his wealth of knowledge is ridiculous yes a very naturally talented bowler but still had to work very hard on different skills so yeah it's ridiculous how much sort of knowledge we lose out the game to other avenues yeah other than coaching i don't know how comfortable i'd be or how healthy it would be for me as a former player like i've played with all those guys in that team to then be their coach but i don't know if that would work like i don't know if i'd be comfortable with that but that's interesting i find that weird i think the conversation maybe in a few years what you were just starting talking about there i felt like this might be naive from outside, but like that would be exactly what they would want to have in that dressing room.

30:08Those four bowlers, just seeing you two discuss it. Do you know what I mean? I think it almost would be like a light bulb moment for them. Because when you look at... But you think they'd prefer that to Brodie to turn them to shreds on Sky? In my day. I forgot quickly. Pitch it up, wads. You were perfect all the time, weren't you? Yeah, I forgot about those 600 for threes. Six sixes? When Amla got 303, now they're not against us. I wasn't playing that game. Just throwing stones from the sky pod. I agree with Fi. But then we just, you know, we just want to see you two in the dressing room still.

30:50Sorry, the other thing I want to quickly say is that it's so nice where it's positioned. We haven't seen it unveiled yet, but the painting itself, when you walk up the stairs, it's going to be immediately on the left. Do you know how long that's staying there for? okay so when every every single cricket walks up those stairs the first thing you're going to see immediately at eye level on your left is the picture of jimmy and broadie so it couldn't legacy wise it couldn't be in a stronger place i can't believe it who used to be there they do change it around quite a lot there's there's a few like when we were outside before we're in the near the harris gardens and mike atherton was there with michael vaughan and he said i hope it got hope the unveiling goes well hope it doesn't like vaughan's because they've stayed on that wall the walk down from the dressing room to the long room for as long as I've played so there's Strauss, Vaughan Claire Taylor's on that wall Gucci's Gucci on that wall I don't know why Cook is on that wall but I feel like the ones in the long room get sort of shifted about a bit Jamie this will be up there for this is the big new one it's a lot of pressure I suppose, on this one.