Mark Wood I Lie To You?

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1:12BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. Hello and welcome to Tailenders. Hello and thank you for having us on Tailenders. Your loosely cricket-based podcast. From the BBC. Sounds. this is this is g-force greg james here alongside felix white with his guitar and jimmy anderson drinking a green tea i think green tea yeah hello

1:45hello it is sir swing a lot on the screen in front of me i should have called you umpire white from last week yeah umpire white umpire wong umpire wong will be joining us be careful which end you're at. But it has gone wrong for her today because she is on a train that was delayed so she'll be with us very shortly. Or it's gone very white because did you see yesterday? Wickets and runs. Yes but they did lose the final. Okay. So a little bit of balance. Yeah. Plus Matching Tendulkar will be joining us a bit later on as well. Looking forward to that. Shall we dive straight in with the test? It's the day after the fourth test has finished at Old Trafford.

2:26The match was drawn. A very rare draw for this England team. England lead the series 2-1, which means we sort of get our wish that it is a decider of sorts at the Oval, which starts on Thursday, the fifth test. It will be India's job to draw that series, which would be a great result for them. And England could obviously go 3-1 up and win it. What an amazing test match. Another brilliant one. This series is so great. There's loads of stories to unpick, but the main story is surely that that was a sensational fight back from India. 0 for 2 to recover to 425 for 4 to save the game. Jimmy, that is some rearguard action right there, isn't it?

3:18Yeah.

3:21Do you want me to expand on that? I'd love that. I'd love that. Yeah, I thought it was a... Obviously, I didn't see much of the first three days because I was down in Cheltenham. But I saw... What did I see? I watched a bit on Sunday and I thought the first hour, Stokes obviously bowled brilliantly and was getting the ball to talk. It was moving sideways. It was going up and down. He got rid of K.R. Rahul, which was a huge wicket. And I thought it was just going to be one of those days where he got on a roll and got loads of wickets and obviously that extra added theatre which we love we love theatre with his injury obviously he's feeling his peck quite a lot does Stuart Broad like theatre?

4:11I think he's a fan he also likes the celeb appeal yes he went to what did we say it was he loves theatre so much that he trained at Stuart Barada Very nice. Nice, yeah. Do you know what this reminded me of? That he was theatrical when he was a cricketer and he took loads of wickets. But anyway, carry on. So yeah, I thought, because it was doing quite a lot in the first morning, I thought when the new ball comes, it'll keep doing it and it'll be really difficult for India. England might end up chasing like 100 or something. But then it just didn't do anything. Didn't spin, didn't really go up and down.

4:47Obviously, what could have been a huge turning point was getting Jadeja first ball. Dropped at slip by Root. Yeah, that's a big one. But yeah, I thought India played brilliantly. The two guys there, Washington getting his first 100. Obviously, it was a bit of needle towards the back end with Stokes wanting to shake their hand and call it a draw. Obviously, they were both about 90, I think, not out. They both wanted 100. And I don't really have any issue with that. I was thinking, what would Stokes do if he was 90, not out? Maybe that's a bad... if Root was 90 not out would he go yeah that's fair I'll shake hands and call it a draw I think absolutely not I think they'd carry on batting but more to the point if Stokes was in the captain from the balcony and let's say Liam Dawson and someone with like 80 or 90 because it's that sort of equivalent there is no way he'd be calling them in he'd be like no they deserve their hundreds as a captain of that side I thought it was great I don't know if this is fence sitting or just, I don't know, being annoying, but I, I quite liked the petulance of it.

5:57Cause I thought I found it, I found it a bit, I found it a bit embarrassing. I felt quite, I liked that it was a bit embarrassing. Go crawly going, just shake our hand, just shake, shake my hand right now. And then who else, who else chimed in? Duck it. Duck it said, how long do you need an hour? How long do you need? And then I think Stokes then said, do you want to get a hundred off? Do you want to get a hundred off? I'm going to put, I'm going to put Brooke and Duckett on. How do you like it now? Do you want 100 now? And I actually didn't like it. Can I just be honest? I really, look, I haven't, I was getting ready to do the baseball at that time.

6:33So I wasn't watching it live and I've watched it since. And you can't put words into it because I've been playing cricket for five days. They're so exhausting in ways that only Jimmy knows. And, you know, none of us know how we react under stress like that. And I just, I actually, I don't know how much of that goes on in cricket, probably way more than we know. and that just happened to get picked up. But it made me feel, it made me cringe hearing Crawley go like, oh, we're going to bowl bouncers at you then. Like it just made me feel a bit embarrassed for everyone. But it was petulant. And also just they were clearly knackered.

7:07And the Indians got under their skin, which sort of worked. Do you have sympathy with that, Jimmy? Obviously you've been in those situations where you've been bowling for a hundred overs plus and you are just knackered and cross and annoyed that the result hasn't gone the way you hoped it might do at the start of the day. So all those things you take into consideration. But what did you make of it? I can kind of see it from England's point of view. Like you say, they've tried to bowl India out and not. And they've got to the point where you can shake hands and when a draw can be called. So I kind of see it.

7:39But also I see it from India's point of view 100%. These two guys have grafted. They've batted brilliantly. they almost deserved 100 each I think they did deserve 100 Washington's never got a test 100 before I felt like they deserved it and I did feel a bit I'm a little bit with Felix I did feel a little bit like oh don't try and undermine it this 100 they're hundreds now just because we've not won and I'm sure I'd be the same in that situation I'd be giving them some stick I'm sure I would when I'm on the field. Of course. But just watching it on the sofa, I was like, just let him get 100. Even if you bring Brook and duck it on, it's not going to take anything away because he played so well against all the other bowlers throughout the day.

8:25I think I just... Yeah, go on, go on. No, go on, man. I think I just like seeing people get rattled. I really enjoy... I like it when the mask slips. Well, exactly. A bit like at the end of the last test where there was performative condolences. I love just observing those cricketers when they're really pushed and you just see a glimpse of like a real bit of, they weren't performing, they were just, they lost their heads in that moment. All of them are like, well, just get it done so we can all go home and watch the Euros. Let's just get it done. Guys, the Lionesses are playing in a minute. Like this is, but then they would be the first to stand up and say, we fight to the death, like the game's never over type thing.

9:07So like, shove your fast bowlers on, get India out. That's the, They couldn't get him out. That's what they were talking about. I think if the shoe was on the other foot, if I was in the camp of the batting team there and the opposition were saying, you know, come on, get on with it. How long do you need? Blah, blah, blah. Obviously, they're batting for a draw for the most of the day. Was there 10 or 11 overs left in the day? I'd have deliberately taken so long to get my 100. Well, they did, I think. No, they didn't. They didn't. There was loads of time. they weren't batting for 100 at the start of the day they were batting for a draw yeah fair enough it was when it came towards the end when England won the game to finish is when and they didn't take that long like Jadija whacked Brook over his head for 6 to get his 100 yeah and also if you want him to get their 100 quicker then just bring all the fielders in and bowl Duckett and Brook but I'd have literally I'd have potentially like just grafted it to the last over I'm keeping you out here now for the rest of the day Brooks folding underarm and you're like wait there no run just right the other day double yeah but there is but there is something to be said for India taking some momentum actually into that into that final test match and and taking I know we talked we joked about the moral Anderson Tendulkar series trophy but they will be happier going into the overall than England will by a long stretch Greg, the interesting thing I think is that obviously in the third test, we had in the middle of it, day three maybe, was it?

10:43When Crawley and Duckett were intentionally taking a really long time and then India lost their call when that last over. It's interesting how these things foreshadow because India sort of lost the plot for a few days. And you had that sense of like you're saying, like when the mask slips and they're just like, India had that moment. And it was almost like the reverse of that. So it'll be really interesting at the Oval to see if that sort of predetermines because Shubham and Gill was looking on this time, having lost his cool in that third test. He was like the Iceman, wasn't he, from the balcony, just looking on with like a tiny smile on his face.

11:15Well, he was actually sort of really like chuckling to himself. Oh, was he? Yeah, yeah. There was a cutaway of him actually laughing when I think Crawley had said, you could just shake my hand right now and it's over. shake my hand now and it cut to him kind of laughing a little bit in the um in the dressing room so i don't know hey guys it's it's great theater but it is great stories and i i've i completely am obsessed with this series so much jim i think when i was saying that india will be happier than england going into that final test you sort of made a face obviously i realize england are ahead but it does i think they're all knackered aren't they and particularly england's bowling attack is kind of shot a little bit so where do you think it is now a few days out from the final test yeah i i'm not i'm not sure i think both teams are going to be tired and there's three three days between games you know india will have a lot of questions as well is bummer going to play then try and look after him as well as they can i think he's going to have to because of the the nature of the series pants out which is huge for india he's broken his foot so i think do you know what I'd still rather be in England's camp I think England have got slightly better depth in their bowling group, we've got the likes of Atkinson to come back in if needed, Tong Jamie Overton's been added to the squad I feel like there's a little bit more depth there and also you said, I know the last day was fell in India's favour getting the draw but England played all the cricket in that test match they dominated with the ball in the first innings they dominated with the bat in the second innings and they couldn't quite force a result and I think the pitch has got to play a role in that.

12:53You know, it was pretty docile that last day. Yeah, so I feel like England are in a good place. I was going to say, sorry, the good news is that if bowlers are unfit, we know that Harry Brook can bowl now as well. So that's something. Going into this test. Shall we dig into some of the glory of this test match? Because that England score, 669, is a remarkable effort. We had the story of Joe Root going past Ricky Ponting, only Sat Chintendalka in his sights now, a couple of thousand runs, and Joe Root becomes the all-time test run scorer, which is just so, so exciting. And as we said last week, so lucky that we are living through the Joe Root supremacy.

13:39Then we've got Ben Stokes, who got his first hundred in a couple of years, that amazing 141, and got five wickets. You're right, Jimmy, that England did play some incredible cricket. So should we start with Joe? You've known him for a very long time, Jimmy. You were there when he popped up on the scene. This is a man who's just been... He's had so many different bits of his career, but the post-captaincy bit of his career has been most joyful to watch, hasn't it? He just seemed free and just really knuckled down and just got on with it. Yeah, I think I heard a stat like post-Covid, he's got a ridiculous amount of hundreds.

14:16I want to say 20, but I might be just completely making that up. But yeah, he's just going from strength to strength. And I feel like there's not, I don't know what I can say that's not already been said about him. And obviously everyone absolutely loves him. I think, you know, for me, I was in Cheltenham and we finished the day's play and we were getting on the bus on the way back to the hotel the day he got the 100. and everyone's watching the highlights or things that are popping up on Instagram. You can just hear groans from grown men watching him just ease Bummer through backward point. Oh, my God, look at that shot.

14:56Oh, look at that shot. And these guys are just absolutely in awe of this. Professional cricket is absolutely in awe of him and what he can do. But I just think he's such a special person. What he's given to English cricket, he's been captain through one of the toughest periods that anyone could captain. And he's just relentless with his game. He just wants to get better all the time. He doesn't settle for being brilliant. He wants to be great. There was a really lovely moment where Ricky Ponting was working for Sky last week. And by the way, his insight into the game is... Oh, so good. It blows my mind.

15:32Every time he opens his mouth, he says something really interesting. And you go, I would never have even considered that idea. There was that bit, Jimmy, I think I texted you about it when he was looking at Sai Sadarshan. And he just went, look at his eyes. His eyes are not lined up properly. He's going to fall over to one size. He needs to get his eyes a bit. And then he did. Oh, you see the game before everyone else? You know how this is going to play out. Anyway, so Ricky Poncing was on commentary when Joe Root went past his record. And then there was a lovely chat with Joe Root at the end of play after his 100 with Alison Mitchell where he was just talking about how much he loved Ricky Poncing and how much he wanted to bat like him when he was a kid.

16:11He tried to master the pull shot and try and master the hook shot like Ricky Ponting did. But there was a thing that Ricky Ponting said, which was there's just this inevitability. When you see Joe Root get sort of 30, you just think, oh, he's going to get 100, actually. This is definitely happening. There's something really magical about Joe Root's brain where he goes, I know I'm just completely in control here. and there's very few batters that you watch in the history of the game where you think I'm just totally at ease watching this guy and I just know that he's going to score a hundred he's going to definitely do this he's going to definitely pass that record today we all sort of just felt that didn't we yeah it's weird because it's very um it's very understated as well like it's very and not in a way like often you'll talk about players that have like churned out loads of runs and you'll use diplomatic words to say but they're not that good to watch Joe Root is so beautiful to watch but he's not like alpha he's not like peacocking you can float through a game and he's batted all day and he sort of barely noticed it you just sort of drifted with him while he's doing it do you know what i mean there's a sort of very unassuming way he plays cricket alongside the dedication which i which i think will probably mean that we're only going to notice that when he stops playing how much time we've watched him bat i think dare i say something felix in earshot of Jimmy Anderson go on it's not dissimilar to watching Jimmy just masterfully just do his thing yes it isn't dissimilar I would say that Jim was probably more no actually he probably is very similar I was going to say but I think Jimmy was aesthetically more like beautiful like when you're watching Jimmy bowl it was like it was well he's still bowling obviously for Lancashire but like an eagle in flight and Joe Root he's just sort of there do you know what I mean I mean I can't really explain that because he obviously does have all the shots.

18:03What I feel when I watch him, and I felt this when I played with him as well as watching him on TV, if you go back to the 90s, which we love to do occasionally. I don't know what you're talking about. You think about the batters that we had in that top six and the effort that looked like it was taken to get to 20, to get to 30. I'm thinking like watching NASA. You'd be exhausted just watching it. and I could put I feel like it's putting whale music on at bedtime like that you sort of drift off into this sort of trance like state watching Joe Rook bat and before you know it he's 30 not out without looking like he's broken sweat it's so true it's like putting whale music on because it's kind of lovely isn't it it's like floating through the ocean communicating with a high being but in that way that majestic way time does slow down when Joe Brute's batting and it just looks like he's facing a different bowler to the batter at the other end he just takes his time with it also an interesting thing I don't know how much this has been brought up in commentary this week because I've been in and out on different things but there was this perceived notion that he finds Bumra very hard to play but he's faced Bumra a lot hasn't he he's not got him out so I feel like that's one thing that's just been written off now he did a great interview actually and I think it's not necessarily just this series but the last few years where he said he spoke to NASA and Sky and got loads of footage, particularly the start of his innings and he was seeing how he was getting out and he's tried to taper his game so he can cancel out like whether it's an LB or bold early on or whether it's a nick off when he gets to 30 or whatever it might be just to limit the amount of risk that he's taking when he bats and I think that was fascinating and I think you can see that when he faces Bumrah It was different, like this week was slightly different because it didn't really swing.

20:01And Bumrah is a completely different animal when it swings. Like it's such a different, difficult bowler to face. But you could see Joe just sort of almost walking into the channel where his natural angle from Bumrah comes into sort of fourth stump from quite wide. And Rudy was just sort of walking into that and playing it late and just easing him either side of the wicket. And I just thought it was an absolute exhibition. and that is melting me hearing that. But that's a real obsession, isn't it, with his job? He absolutely loves batting so much. That's the thing. And to the point where he's coaching himself while he's out in the middle.

20:41They did a slow-mo sort of zoomed in thing on the telly of him telling himself off after he didn't quite nail the on-drive against Siraj, which took himself off to square leg and was just like, no, no, straight, play straight. next ball beautiful on drive for four do you know I can't wait to speak to Izzy when she comes on because she hit her first ball yesterday on drive for four and I thought of you Greg beauty stunning can I just say I've got one more note from the test that I've written down please Atherton and Nasser love them with all our heart the best in the business not only their business all sporting business I think they get a kick out of Washington Sondar being involved or doing well in the game because they love saying the full name Washington Sundar.

21:29I've never heard two people say both names of one person that many times. I think they enjoy the way the alliteration, because you can't really say Washington. Do you know what I mean? You have to say Washington Sundar. So that's my observation from the test. That's a great observation. They never say Ravindra Jadija. It's just Jadija. Exactly. exactly it's just Jadeja I noticed that the the announcer at Lourdes on day one or something announced Ravi Jadeja right and then when he came on to bowl in that innings the following innings he changed it back to Ravindra like someone had told him off oh interesting similarly another commentary observation he's not your mate you can't call him Ravi

22:21another observation is similar they like to announce Deep Das Gupta as Deep Das Gupta. Yeah. But also Deep Das Gupta is maybe the greatest name of all time. Yeah, so exactly. It's similar to Washington Sundar. It's probably a better name. You actually text me, Greg, saying, imagine if your name was Deep. It's like the best name ever, isn't it? It is the best name ever. No one's forgetting that. I feel like Vajra Hatula Vasti is the best name. What? I'm sure he's normally better. I might have got that horribly wrong. Say that again. Vajra Hatula Vasti.

22:57it's lovely and I'll tell you another name I love Prakash Wakanka yeah lovely name lovely chap as well shall I come out for a pint with both loads or it might not have been a pint it might have been dinner shall I know did you go out for pints with Deep and Prakash yeah they got on it didn't they am I faded up yes you faded up so yes I was working for TV highlights BBC TV highlights and it was a privilege to go out for a drink I think it was day two we had a wagamamas and then a couple of pints although Prakash is a whiskey drinker doesn't do beer he's even cooler than we thought one cube of ice and a chicken and prawn yakisoba or what?

23:40I can't remember yet and Prakash was telling me he lives up in the mountains his backstory is amazing apart from the commentary he's a businessman of repute and works all around the world. But he's now sort of either retired or semi-retired and he lives up in the mountains. And he was telling us about how he often gets tigers and leopards that come into his garden or ground. So he's got some kind of alarm system with lights and noises to scare off the tigers and leopards. What a great guy. Oh, they're both wonderful. Seriously, it was an absolute courage to just... Are you sure he wasn't winding you up, Shalke?

24:18He may well have been. He may well have been. But, you know, I kind of thought, you know, it's a privilege to work on cricket anyway, but to sat and have a pint with people who live in a different world and do different things, it was just wonderful. Totally, totally. Really wonderful. Three pints deep, Dasgupta. Top man. Top, top man. What does Deep have from Wagamama Sharkey? Just out of interest? He didn't come to Wagamama's actually, he joined us later. It was just me, Tuffers and Prakash for Wagamama's. Wow. I love Prakash just announcing on the commentary that he was going home today. oh yeah I was like I'm going home tomorrow so you know enjoy the last test I think it was morning he was like oh you're going home are you yeah it was always the plan just going to go home alright cheers see ya I like hearing logistics I think I'm a fan of hearing logistics on the radio yeah that's why I'm asking about the Wagamamas it's the details that count can I also say while we're talking about a throwback to the 90s can I just quickly say the other thing I enjoyed about this test was I thought it was long gone when a spinner went round the wicket into the rough and the batter was just kicking it away with bat in the air for like for like about 40 minutes but Dawson bowled to shut the kill outside the rough and he just kicking it I was like this is I just popcorn all day I'll just watch this nothing happening just literally that yeah the glory the glory days of the Tetley bitter sponsorship and just exactly flat run a wicket bang pad it out Should we do that again?

25:51Yeah, let's do it again. Let's do that again. Let's do that again. That hasn't happened since we were putting four star in our cars. So let's also talk about Ben Stokes, please. So he has now joined that club with Gary Sobers and Jacques Callis. He's taken over 200 wickets and now has over 7 ,000 runs. And he is undoubtedly one of the greatest that's ever played the game, one of the greatest all-rounders ever. and he got 100, first 100 since 2023, took five wickets. First of all, great to see him performing at the peak of his powers, but I'm also worried that he's bowling too much, Jimmy, and you know the strains of test cricket on a body.

26:32He looks like he's ****, let's be honest, or is that just him being, you know, like a wrestler selling the injury? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. You always see every spell that he bowls, he looks like he's feeling something or holding something or limping or you know it was his shoulder or pec the last spell that he bowled but he you know uh soldiered on through and kept going and every over you're like right that's got to be his last over but no he came back and bowled another and looked like getting a wicket every over but yeah i mean that's just i it's such a difficult one like you said because people will say oh he needs to manage himself a bit better or not bowl as much but he's such a competitor and as captain he wants to lead by example and lead from the front and everyone wants to watch England with a fully fit Ben Stokes obviously but in certain moments you've just got to let him go and go with his gut because he does bowl magic spells and obviously with the bat he was cramping as well but then he goes on and gets 100 it's just, it's insane really what he goes through and can achieve I mean, to be fair, he works so hard at his fitness.

27:41He's in great nick. And I'm sure that, you know, he might not bowl or bowl a bit less in the next game, depending on his fitness. But I'm sure he'll be good for the Ashes. And that's what everyone's sort of hopeful for, especially with this series. But, you know, the worst that can happen is a draw. Obviously, we want to win it. But I think the Ashes is obviously what's on everyone's mind. Can I fire some bowling technicalities at you, Jimmy, and just get your take on it? Help me try and understand what he was doing differently to all the other England seamers. Things did happen when Ben Stokes was bowling in a way that they didn't happen with.

28:18Apart from Archer in the first innings, it just didn't happen. Kars didn't get a wicket all game. Joffre got three in the first innings, but Stokes picked up lots of wickets and changed the game in certain points. What was he doing differently or what weren't the other bowlers doing that they needed to do? he's just got such a different release point to the others and this was highlighted on on the tv yesterday you look at i think it was joffra's release point or wokes's release point it's quite tight to the stumps and then stokes because of the the angle of his arm coming over it's much wider and i think that's what why we're seeing that sort of variable bounds from straight because if someone else hits the cracks that he was hitting from that wide angle if you hit that crack from slightly straighter if you can imagine the the trajectory of the ball going towards the keeper almost so it's too wide so the batters can leave that even if it goes up and down off that crack but because he's his angle is such so wide on the crease it's always coming at the batter and they've got to play it and it's it's attacking the stumps like we saw with the lbw of k.l rahul it shot along the ground and trapped him on the crease so i think that's that was what was different in the second innings.

29:30In the first innings, he got it to swing. He looked like he was bowling with good pace, he was swinging it and he is a difficult bowler to face when he swings it because of, again, because of that unnatural angle that the ball comes from. Similar to, not dissimilar to Bumrah, to be honest. His arm comes the other side of vertical, sort of closer to his head. It just creates an awkward angle for the batter and it's as well as I've seen him bowl that first innings. I think he's worked so hard on it and yeah, I think he just bowled really, really well. So what can the other bowlers learn from that, if anything?

30:04Could they change things to try some stuff that Ben's trying? Or what? Do you put it down? No, I mean, I'm talking about the action. You can't. It's just like, even if the other guys come wide of the crease, because their arm's sort of straight or just further away from the head than straight, it's harder to create those angles that Ben can create. It's just one of those things. It's interesting, isn't it? Because obviously the analogy that we always use, or we talk about Stokes as Freddie and then before that Ian Botham, like those sort of characters that would get in the team both for batting and bowling.

30:45And Stokes would probably almost, even if he couldn't do all those things, he probably would get in a team just as a captain now. He's that valuable for all three things. It's incredible. But like from what I remember, I never obviously never saw Ian Botham play properly. But what people always talk about is when he got to the latter stage of his career, he would just take wickets with bad balls because he was Ian Botham. But the interesting thing about like just had that aura or whatever, you know, and we talk about Stokes in the same way that he makes things happen. But actually, like Jimmy's just said, he's bowling really quick.

31:16He's swinging a ball and he's probably more dangerous a bowler than he ever has been. So you're not just watching someone who's like, by force of habit and will, and his personality is making things happen. Technically, as a cricketer, he's sort of improving while falling apart. It's really sort of fascinating to watch. I mean, in Australia, Jim, we shouldn't talk about the Ashes, really. But he might be spearheading that attack, really, in similar situations when we need wickets, right, in Australia. well yeah it's I don't know it's an interesting one because the Saturday day four he didn't bowl and then yeah he opens the bowling on the the Sunday and obviously he had that cramp issue if it's anything near his anywhere near his hamstring that he's had issues with then obviously that'll cause alarm for for him but I just think he he's very clever actually how he uses himself I just you know it's when he gets into like seven eight nine ten overs you're like oh you know nothing especially when on Sunday when he's holding his shoulder the whole time every ball he was like oh and he just thought oh my god I hope he's not doing more damage to it than he needs to this is a tricky one to answer I guess does he does he want to be bowling is the question does he like bowling does he like do you think he likes the fact it's good that he's the leading wicket taker in the series that's a very good question or would he rather not he'd rather not be leading wicket taker but i mean we're grateful that he's doing it but it always feels like oh for sake i'll do it then all right i'll get him out sake there's a little is it a little bit of that no none of that okay that's all he wants to do everything he wants to do everything He would field in the slips if he could.

33:01Brilliant. He wants to be involved in everything all the time. He'd open the batting if he was allowed. I like that. I'm pleased with that because obviously you do want your opening bowlers for maybe to take a few more wickets, but he's doing it. Yeah. Again, a graphic that I saw on the TV was when he had that knee problem, his front leg was bent at the crease as he was delivering the ball. Oh, yeah, that was amazing. Which a lot of people do. like that's fine but his natural action is a braced front leg and that's where he gets his pace from so I think like when he had that knee problem he was still sort of muscling it down at like low 80s but when he's got that braced front leg that which he had this game it comes out at 85 mile an hour with a lot less effort and above and he can he can still get up to 90 miles an hour so I think that pretty much answers your question about does he want to be bowling like if he didn't want to bowl he wouldn't have put all that work in around his hamstring, around his knee trying to make sure he's got as economical an action as possible he's strong enough to cope with bowling he wouldn't have put in all that work if he didn't want to be that sort of player so I think, yeah, for me as I said, he'd do everything if he could but again, that sometimes maybe works against him when he's bowling the long spells Well, we love watching him bowl we love watching him bat we love watching him do everything so as long as his body works and as long as he can do it, please bring it on.