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9 Dec 2025 · 55 min · 29 chapters

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In short

Tailenders (BBC) discusses England’s 2-0 Ashes series deficit after the second Test at the Gabba, focusing on England’s “crucial moments” failures, decision-making under pressure, fielding energy, and whether Bazball/batting aggression has become reckless. They also debate training “overpreparedness” and England’s communication/vulnerability with the media.

Guests (hosts/participants)

Felix White (cricket-based BBC podcast host); Jimmy Anderson (England fast bowler, former captain); Greg James (“G-Force” Greg James, BBC presenter); plus recurring producer “Sharky” mentioned.

Key claims

England lost because pivotal decisions weren’t ruthless enough (e.g., Harry Brook’s early dismissal after being 30*), bowling lacked unit cohesion and rhythm, and fielding didn’t show “swarm” energy. Australia exploited small tactical details (keeper up to stumps, length discipline) and bowled better as a unit. England’s Bazball has “nuance” warped into reckless aggression, and media/press narratives amplify cracks.

Notable examples

Brook edging Stark off the first ball; Joe Root’s trigger-happy resilience; Jofra Archer’s 153 km/h spell; dropped catches; Australia’s keeper-up tactics; Matt Pryor’s point about senior players’ energy; Stokes’ post-match accountability and “weak men” remark; Root’s first Australia Test hundred.

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Dressing for Mourning

1:05 to 2:55

The hosts discuss their choice of attire and the mood following a cricket loss.

“Hello and thank you for having us on Tailenders.”

Dissecting the Gabba Loss

2:55 to 5:17

Analyzing England's performance in the second Ashes Test and discussing pivotal moments.

“Thanks for joining us on YouTube or iPlayer or BBC Sounds or wherever you're listening to this or watching this.”

Identifying Key Decisions

5:17 to 8:13

Exploring crucial decisions made during the match and their implications.

“Like we said in Perth, it was the opportunity.”

Understanding Pressure in Australia

8:13 to 11:21

Discussion on the pressure faced by players in Australia and its effects on performance.

“But bowling as a unit and if someone is slightly off their line you take the brunt.”

Comparing Team Dynamics

11:21 to 13:59

Contrasting the dynamics within the England team versus the Australian team.

Team Dynamics and Strategies

14:00 to 15:00

Discussion on the dynamics and strategies of the England cricket team.

“They're much more comfortable as a unit.”

Comparative Analysis of Teams

15:00 to 16:00

Comparing the character and approach of the England team to Australian players.

“They don't want to get into a verbal battle with the batter.”

Perceptions of Timidity vs. Arrogance

16:00 to 17:00

Exploration of how the England team's public perception contrasts with their actual demeanor.

“I didn't see many chats between Harry Brook and Ben Stokes, who's vice-captain.”

Communication and Accountability

17:00 to 18:00

Discussion on the communication issues and accountability within the England team.

“that they're getting it served back at them.”

Player Vulnerability and Media Interaction

18:00 to 19:00

Talk about the need for players to show vulnerability and engage with the media.

“There's been little cracks in the past couple of years where there'll be a comment from one of the players, we don't care about winning, it's how we perform or entertaining.”
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Enjoying Cricket: A Cultural Perspective

19:00 to 20:00

Comparison of how Australian players communicate their enjoyment of the game with the England team.

“and there was some sense of alleviation with that.”

Expectations and Pressure on Players

20:00 to 21:00

Discussion on the expectations placed on players and the pressure they face.

“It's always a bit, why are you asking me that question?”

The Importance of Authentic Communication

21:00 to 22:00

Highlighting the need for players to communicate authentically during tough times.

“But I think because they've said stuff in the past that we've got to protect them, we've got to make sure they don't say anything or they're not asked a dodgy question that's going to make them feel bad.”

Team Cohesion and Leadership

22:00 to 23:00

Exploration of team cohesion and leadership dynamics in the England team.

“and therefore the highs we share together and we share the lows together and it's part of the story.”

Entertainment and Test Cricket

23:00 to 24:00

Discussion on what constitutes true entertainment in Test cricket, using Ben Stokes as an example.

Overpreparation in Cricket

24:00 to 25:00

Debate on the implications of overpreparation in cricket and its effects on performance.

“And as we know with Ben Stokes, he tends to peacock what is required and exaggerate it.”

Quality vs. Quantity in Training

25:00 to 26:00

Discussing the balance between the quality and quantity of training sessions.

“And could you have benefited from underprepared?”

The Basball Era: Expectations vs. Reality

26:00 to 27:00

Analysis of the Basball era and its impact on player performance and mindset.

“So I'd rather have a one hour net session where the quality is like above test match level rather than doing four hours of nets, just hitting a few balls and making yourself trying to make yourself feel good.”

Cohesion and Individual Expression

27:00 to 28:00

Exploration of the need for individual expression within a cohesive team strategy.

“and it's suddenly become that, where everyone's trying to play in a way that's not natural to them, and a lack of confidence has meant, oh, we're supposed to be hitting everything.”

Understanding Aggression in Cricket

28:01 to 29:31

The discussion explores the concept of aggression in cricket and its implications for player performance.

“in who you are, express yourself in the way that you want to express yourself.”

Pressure and Performance in High-Stakes Matches

29:31 to 31:48

A look into how pressure affects player decisions and performance during critical matches like the Ashes.

“So I thought about the way they bowled, sorry Jim, when the way they bowled Nesta especially and I thought, you know, Jimmy, Chris Wokes, Sam Cook on that wicket, different game.”

The Role of Experience in Cricket Success

31:48 to 33:18

The conversation focuses on the importance of experience and mindset in achieving success in cricket.

“I also often thought, it looked like they were trying to get out.”

Frustrations and Expectations from England's Team

33:18 to 36:29

The hosts express their frustrations with England's performance and the expectations from the players.

“But it's just like one of those things you're like, how has that happened?”

Celebrating Joe Root's Contribution

36:29 to 38:44

A tribute to Joe Root's performance and his understated yet effective role in the team's dynamics.

“But I'm just trying to put a positive spin on it for you.”

The Early Morning Grind of Scoring Matches

38:44 to 39:57

Discussion about the challenges and nuances of scoring during early morning cricket matches.

“Everyone needs to be a bit more Joe Root in their lives.”

Cricket Strategies and Team Dynamics

42:00 to 43:30

Discussion on cricket strategies, player dynamics, and sledging in matches.

“So I want to see that, that 153km an hour bowling, I want to see that at the start of a test match.”

Quiz Time with Nathan Lyon

44:22 to 51:42

The hosts engage in a light-hearted quiz about Australian cricketer Nathan Lyon.

“So matching's coming on the non-visualised.”

Go Well Segment

51:42 to 55:44

Listeners and cricket clubs are acknowledged in a heartfelt Go Well segment.

“Sharky's disassociating in the corner, so we're fine.”

Closing Remarks and Future Plans

56:01 to 56:28

The hosts wrap up the episode, reflect on past performance, and discuss future content.

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1:04James Anderson:Hello and welcome to Tailenders. Hello and thank you for having us on Tailenders. Thanks, Felix. Just start again, I wasn't ready for that. I was looking at my tits. Welcome to the podcast. No. Well, it's loosely cricket based. Start again, I was getting hairs off my jumper. I was looking at my tits. What a great start. What a great start. Can we not leave that in? I think we're rolling. We start again. We're live. Just start again. Imagine it's live. Imagine all the people. It's live. I do that in the podcast, but not on the TV.

1:35James Anderson:Hello and welcome to TailEnders. Hello and thank you for having us on TailEnders. That's Felix White. Next to him over here is Jimmy Anderson. Go on, cheers. Sir Jimmy Anderson. And this is G-Force Greg James. Go on. And it's a loosely cricket-based podcast from the BBC. And at times of cricket trauma, I'm so pleased it's loosely cricket-based. Yeah. But is it, though? Because the first thing that I'll just raise is that we have all, and we haven't planned this, we've come dressed mostly wearing black and that is because we are in a state of mourning. Yes. We've gone into it before about Sharky being an Everson fan dressing black when he's not doing it at the moment because he's in bright colours because everyone's doing well.

2:11Jimmy, you're even in half of a state of mourning. Navy blue. Yes, but... England blue, showing my allegiance to the...

2:18James Anderson:Yeah, me and Felix, we're dressed like stagehands at a theatre. Yeah, we are like floating. If it was all black in the background, it would be like my max. So I guess we do need to try and understand what happened at the Gabba, the second Ashes Test match where Australia have won by eight wickets. They go 2-0 up in a five-match series. There's been so much talking. We're going to add more talking. We're going to do more talking. We can't add any more cricket. There's been so much negative talking. Yeah. Everyone's really enjoying the negative talking. And we were trying to not do the negative thing after the first one, weren't we?

2:53We did consciously reasons to be cheerful.

2:56James Anderson:It's tough, though. Thanks for joining us on YouTube or iPlayer or BBC Sounds or wherever you're listening to this or watching this. We do this every week, this Tail Enders podcast, and we're doing some special visualised episodes for the ashes. I've got to say, I'm regretting that decision. What, because you don't want to be on camera in a certain morning? Well, we could have swerved it a bit, I think. Yeah. But we've sort of contractually... Look, enjoy the episode, though. We are going to go for it. and we're going to be as honest as we can. We're going to get the fan perspective from me and Felix.

3:26James Anderson:But, Jimmy, I want to dive in straight to you. What?

3:34James Anderson:What? Is that it? What? Yeah. Yeah, what? What was that all about then? What was that all about then? Talk about that. Yeah, I mean, difficult to dissect everything that went wrong. but I think the first innings obviously was tough I think we were short by at least 100 runs and Ben Stokes talked about it after there's those moments in games that are pivotal that mean you either kick on when you're ruthless you kick on and get yourself into a position where you can win the game when you're not ruthless and when you make a wrong decision or a bad decision in that moment then you fall back to either level and then you lose your foot in the game.

4:20And I thought in the first innings for England, that Harry Brook dismissal to Stark, he was 30 not out, Root was back at the other end and Stark came on for a spell. I think it was the first ball Harry Brook faced off Stark and he went for a wide flash and he was trying to hit it over, extra cover, went really hard at it and edged it to slip. And those are those moments where if they build a partnership there, They could really, you know, Australia with a weakened attack, it felt like they were there for the taking that day. And, you know, on the back of Crawley, 70, they're five for two, not a great start, but Crawley and Root get them back in the game.

4:57Brook and Root keep building on that. And that is where they should have gone, right, we're putting our foot on their throat here. We're going to go and go and get 400. And they sort of ended up scraping to 330 with Joffrey getting some runs at the end. Yeah.

5:12James Anderson:And this is all without Hazelwood and Cummins as well, as you're talking about. Lion. This was an lion. They didn't pick lion. This was the opportunity. Like we said in Perth, it was the opportunity. I've sent so many messages to all of you and to Sharky, our producer and mates of mine who said, what's gone wrong? Yeah. I'm so confused by it, actually. Am I confused or gaslit? Or was I led to believe that something was going to happen when it wasn't going to happen? But what do you put it down to, Jim? Because you've played out in Australia and it feels like everyone talks about the pressure closing in and the off the field pressure and the chat and the crowd and the occasion.

5:50James Anderson:Is it as simple as these talented cricketers have bottled it, panicked and can't think clearly in the moment on the pitch? Because these are some of the best cricketers in the world. What's happened? Are they not prepared? What is it? I'll go back to what Ben Stokes said after the game. It's those crucial moments of making the right decision. And unfortunately, it's not just happened in this Ashes series. There's been signs of it. A little bit before, we talked about it last episode, where it happened against India at the Oval, where we're in a great position, we lose a wicket, and then everything caves in around us.

6:25And it felt like the same thing happened again. It's being able, as a player, irrelevant of how talented you are, you've got to be able to think about the game enough to be able to recognise the crucial moment. And I know, going back to that Harrybrook dismissal, I know he can't predict that Australia are going to get 500, we're going to drop five catches, but he should be wise enough to know, I'm going to be ruthless here. Joe's batting really well. If nothing else, all that chat about Joe Roots 100, I'm going to be there and get him through to his 100. And he sort of gave it away. So I just feel like there's too many times now where that's happened.

7:02and I felt like that's what Ben Stokes was getting at in his after-match interview. He was so passionate and you could see he was almost like trying not to swear, trying not to let the rage come out. He was trying to be really controlled but there was definite frustration and anger there within him. Jim, just quickly, I want to ask you, Jim, because it occurred to me that when you were talking and we'd been messaging across the series that you are now understanding, maybe a little bit too much than we wanted, what it's like watching England in Australia. How has your experience this test been?

7:32because I felt like just as we were messaging each other through the test that you were getting that sense of what it feels like to be helpless and at home and watch them playing shots like that. Did you have a different feeling of like, what are you doing from inside the dressing room? No, because I felt like that when I was playing. When the batters got out like that, I was like, I'd be like that in that situation. Oh, okay. Well, in that case, that's what you'd be saying anyway. I feel like, no, in my head.

7:59James Anderson:Yeah. Okay. it's not you know it's down to the batter and the coach and captain to figure that out you know me going up to someone and saying what are you doing is not gonna help but I also I felt like I found I did find myself when England were bowling like I was just thinking pitch it up just try and pitch it up a bit fuller a bit fuller yeah but then like it's under 11 I was catching myself a little bit thinking I've been there when you know you know where you should be bowling it's not quite happening your rhythm's not there it's not going your way yeah it is hard in australia like there's a lot of pressure on you so i'm trying to i do understand what they're going through but at the same time you've got that fan sort of well i mean we try obviously we're not monstrous people and we we are in trouble maybe we are but i i do sympathize with all these top level sports people it's one of the reasons we love watching it's because we're going i could never do that and i never i don't understand how they got in this case the england team can't do it but you understand you kind of go okay this is very very difficult clearly but I'm fascinated as to why it they can't bring it together when they are the best some of the best in the world and there's not someone just running up and going can we just take a minute we need to regroup with this bowling it didn't feel like and I think Stuart Broad made the point of bowling in a unit and you've done that so well over your career many many times for years out of spells.

9:25James Anderson:But bowling as a unit and if someone is slightly off their line you take the brunt. It doesn't feel like there's that cohesion within the bowling unit and maybe with the top order of the batting unit as well being like, we all need to bat as a 7 in a way or an 8 with Will Jacks and go, this is what we need to do if you mess it up, I can cover this. Joe's going to get his 100. We need to go at this tempo. It doesn't feel like that's that there's a strong unit there maybe or experience or something. Yeah, it feels like there is a little bit of something missing. But I think the one sort of way you can tell whether people are really engaged in the game is in the field.

10:03And take the drop catches out of it. I know there were five drop catches, but that can happen. I've dropped catches myself. I've been in teams where one person drops one and it just starts to become contagious and everyone's dropping them. But I didn't see a collective energy in the field of let's swarm them. When we get a wicket, let's jump on them and really try and get our teeth into their batting line. It wasn't that kind of... It was like you could see almost people thinking about the shot they played or thinking about I've not got any runs yet. Yeah, yeah.

10:36James Anderson:But that is what they're thinking, surely. No, no, but you can't. You can't think about that. You have to... You've got to be so in that moment. You can't be drifting off. and it just felt like that was happening in the field. And when I think it gets exposed more when the bowlers aren't hitting their straps, which they didn't, and it's very rare that you get all four bowlers not, you know, you expect one or two of them to nail it, but it felt like they were all just a little bit off, out of rhythm or something, something not quite right. But then when you're not backed up in the field, then it just makes it even worse and makes it a bigger problem.

11:11Yeah, it gets a bit of self-preservation society sort of vibe, yeah. But also if we're spotting that on the telly,

11:15James Anderson:the Aussies are pouncing on that obviously they would love that on that another frustration for me was seeing that last 10 overs that England bowled when Australia needed 60 the game's gone all of a sudden Joffre's bowling 153km an hour it's fastest ever spell in Test cricket when they need 60 to win he's having a dart at Steve Smith when they need 15 to win the field there's a bit of buzz around in the field Gus gets a couple of wickets it's this high like where's that on day one let's start the ashes again now from that last 10 overs it starts here actually real quizzes now from day one I actually got up I had a buzz the night before of adrenaline thought I'm going to score the whole first day and I woke up 3.30 and literally scored it the whole first day's play which I'm so glad I did because it would have been awful to do it on days two or three but the thing that was really like apart from just being like I've loved doing that so much I find it meditative especially when the sun's in Australia and it's pitch black outside and then as you're going through the night it almost it's like the sun was going down in Australia and rising in London type thing because it was getting brighter exactly because it literally is so it felt like you can see it through your through your screen but the thing that was really evident about watching it Jim which I just which I hadn't really wouldn't be able to tell if I'd just been watching it on the sofa is that when there's been let's say 10 12 dot balls you just know the only person that's that's not affecting is joe root and it happened with brooke duckett when there was a spell and it's not always picked up on actually because you just people are commentating watching the game but when you're bowling literally two overs where maybe one run's gone for those two overs you know that they're not gonna be able to help themselves but have a swipe like joe root will can do that.

13:08He went a long period without scoring and Ben Stokes obviously can do that as well but you just have this sense that they have got a trigger happiness in them which no matter what the plan is, they just can't help themselves. Yeah but I think part of that is decision making on England's behalf but I think also you've got to take your hat off to Australia. I thought they bowled really, really well. Yeah. So they did do it to Joe Root, second dig. Stark was bowling back of the length, back of the length. Chucks one up wide and Rootie's waiting for a back foot shot and he sort of dropped his bat on it and he nicked it.

13:40Subtle things like bringing the keeper up to the stumps so that Zach Crawley can't move towards their length and get it on the half volley. He's stuck in his crease and then you end up Pope and Crawley sort of just sticking on one in the second innings and chipping it back to the bowler. So little things like that, I just think they did every sort of facet better than us. Yeah, yeah.

14:00James Anderson:They're much more comfortable as a unit. They're playing at home, but also there's this thing which I think is a brilliant point made by Matt Pryor in the telly which has I don't think it really been said too much over the last couple of weeks about the idea of there not being many senior players in the England team that are fronting up and being part of what you were talking about Jim being loud in the field Alex Carey going I'm gonna stand up here I'm gonna back myself to stand up that's gonna stop him doing this there needs to be strategy not just from the captain, needs to be strategy from everyone really and creating that bit of magic, a run out, an amazing catch, a bit of chirp.

14:38James Anderson:When you've got, you can sort of imagine it when you're, if you're batting and then the slips, you've got Carey, who's maybe up to the stumps chatting to you or just chatting around. You've got Smith, you've got Labashain there, you've got all those characters just getting involved. I don't, you don't see that with England necessarily. They're not that type of character though. You look at their slip cordon for example, Smith, Rue, Brooke, Crawley Duckett. They're quiet. They don't want to get into a verbal battle with the batter. Same as the bowlers even. Gus, Kars, Joffre. They're generally quiet people.

15:13It was only towards the back end where we saw Joffre going at Steve Smith. Then Stokes, he loves that sort of battle. But from being in that dressing room, I know that Brendan McCollum is not a massive fan of that side of the game. He just wants us to go out there and focus on the cricket and perform your skill as best you can.

15:32James Anderson:But there's other ways to express yourselves. It's not about, I'm not saying sledging is necessary, it's about energy and running. And Matt Pryor was making the point of he would always be busy and running around, patting the good fielder on the arse and just going, that was great. Just rallying the troops a little bit, because it can't all come from Ben. And it feels like it all comes from him now. It's about energy, yeah, and I'd agree with that. I think it looked like Ben had a lot on his plate on the field. He was the one coming up with the ideas for what field there was. I didn't see many chats between Harry Brook and Ben Stokes, who's vice-captain.

16:04You'd expect that a little bit more. Olly Polk was vice-captain. I didn't see him going up to Ben. I saw a little bit of Joffre chatting to Ben Stokes, but generally it was Ben on his own. That's how it looked from the outside. It's interesting what you just said there is that because of the perception of them or what's been thrown at them now that they're quite arrogant, overconfident, overprepared. But we'll get into that in a second.

16:30James Anderson:I'll put an asterisk by the word overprepared. Let's get into overprepared in a second. But it's so interesting what Jimmy's just said there, that they're actually quite almost timid people, but they're quiet because our public perception of them would be that they're almost brash, but on the field they don't have that sort of arrogance. Is that because of the way they play? Yeah, I guess it would be the way. But do you know what I mean? That's what if you read all the press and the criticism of his England team, it's that they've drunk their own medicine to a degree and they believe so much in their own hype that they're getting it served back at them.

17:02James Anderson:I think, to add another word to that, aloof. Aloof. It feels a bit like that sometimes. Yeah, which can be both things. And that comes across sometimes, and it might not be how they feel, and I'm sure they don't feel like this, because they don't really care as much as we want them to. But they must do though, Jim, right? There is a communication issue, I think. between the sort of passion that we all have watching it and the passion you see from the Australian cricketers. I'm sitting there going, I prefer watching these Australian players. I actually prefer their approach to playing this game that we love.

17:34James Anderson:And I look at some of the England players and I'm like, nothing to latch onto here really because you're not getting any runs and you kind of look like you don't really care that much. And that's probably unfair, but that's what it comes across as. Do you want to answer that one, Jim? Because that's interesting from the perspective of like... Do they not care? Well, they clearly do. They clearly care. But you must have had it before in England teams where it feels like because they're making bad shot selections, unfair things. Yeah, but I just think this is an Ashes series. Everything's going to get jumped on.

18:06Yeah, yeah. There's been little cracks in the past couple of years where there'll be a comment from one of the players, we don't care about winning, it's how we perform or entertaining. You know, that's the other thing. Not necessarily don't care about winning, but they just say something doesn't quite land quite with the public or the media. So I think all those little things stick in people's minds and then when they don't perform, people just latch on to them. Especially in Australia, it's going to get latched on to. So the golf thing, the over-preparing, whatever, all these little things are going to get jumped on and made into bigger things than they actually are.

18:40James Anderson:I just sort of want to see a bit of humility, I think. Well, Stokes showed that actually after the game. He did, he really did. And I think that's the first time when he said exactly what we saw. and I think maybe he was just in a corner where he couldn't say much else because it was just obvious what had happened. But I think there was a relief even, and just use the phrase gaslighting earlier, that Ben Stokes said what we saw at least and there was some sense of alleviation with that. He also used the phrase weak men, which I found fascinating. Tricky one, that. Because we've always been talking about the England team not coming from that old psychology of that kind of thing.

19:17Do you know what I mean? I don't know, he probably will be asked to elaborate on that a lot. But it almost felt like him looking at accountability in his own side for the first team, actually.

19:29James Anderson:Yeah. Just when you see the Australia players being interviewed, and I know they're on top at the minute and they're at home and they're having a great summer and all the rest of it. And there is strength and depth in that team. And they've got their 2-0 up in the series. but it feels like they are enjoying their cricket and they love communicating that to the audience watching. And I very rarely see, though, you see it with Joe, you see it with Ben, you see it a bit, but you don't see the whole team sort of looking like they're having the best time when they're being interviewed. It's always a bit, why are you asking me that question?

20:04James Anderson:Well, yeah, well, it's just how we play. It's just how we play. And there's a slight disconnect between what they're trying to communicate or do and what we're receiving from them but i guess if they said then i just had the best time we wouldn't be happy no i know but just a bit of like yeah i played a bad shot yeah and i'm gonna go exactly just like just and it's not it's not about saying sorry because it's not that's not it's not about that it's about saying actually bold really bad areas there and i'm gonna really work hard because my place is is in danger but i don't feel like they think their place is in danger in the side?

20:39James Anderson:Because maybe it's not. Yeah, I don't know. I'd love for them to be... Because you talk about the Aussies talking to the media and stuff like that. I'd love to see players come out and talk to the media. I've not seen the vice-captain once do press this trip. Don't send Triscothic, Mark Triscothic. Send the vice-captain or Olly Pope or whoever. Just someone. That's what I'm talking about. Who are our heroes to sort of bat for. But I think because they've said stuff in the past that we've got to protect them, we've got to make sure they don't say anything or they're not asked a dodgy question that's going to make them feel bad.

21:16So they get protected, whereas actually people want to hear, that's what makes, that's how you warm to a team is by seeing them in times of, what's the word? Trouble. No, like vulnerability, when they're vulnerable. When players are vulnerable, that's what people want to see. not just when they're on a high and they've got 100 and they've got five wickets, they've won a game. Actually, there are 11 human beings in that dressing room.

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21:42James Anderson:Because, pun intended, you root for them. And we love Joe Root mainly because he's the greatest English batter we've ever seen, but also because we've been on a journey with him where we've lived his captaincy and we've lived how sad he got when he was not performing how he wanted to perform. and therefore the highs we share together and we share the lows together and it's part of the story. A similar thing this week, Lando Norris winning the World Championship in Formula One. We've been there throughout that whole journey. It's the same with Lewis Hamilton. It's the same in all these sports. They're like, let us in because we want to live it all with you and we would understand Crawley a bit more if we knew about Zach Crawley.

22:27James Anderson:We would understand Ben Duckett if we knew a bit more about what his mindset is. Is he just going out there and trying badly? Obviously not, but communicate it. Just a quick point on that, the media and the situation England are in. I know for a fact that the Australian journalists, a few in the media and ex-players, were ready after day one of the first test to pounce on Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The age of the team, the age of the squad, the shape of the squad. they're not you know you look at Steve Smith and Travis Head batting they're not the best shape they've ever been in so it could have been so different if that had gone slightly differently so I think we're we've got to sort of keep on to that as hang on to that as England fans like we were that close to starting this series well the situation we're in is not great but we're in the same situation we were when we landed in Australia we've got to win three tests to win the Ashes fine yeah okay I can get behind that you actually said Greg after you heard Stokes' interview but like for some reason I still believe him that we're going to win the next three tests I would do anything for Ben Stokes there's only one person that can make you feel like that yeah and what I will say is that it was another it was a change of what entertainment is because we've obviously been force fed this idea that hitting every ball trying to hit every ball for six is entertaining but true entertainment at test level is Ben Stokes grimacing while blocking the ball yeah that is when you feel like your face is one inch from that TV screen and you are living every single second with him.

24:02And as we know with Ben Stokes, he tends to peacock what is required and exaggerate it. So the same way in 2019, he scored three off 73 or whatever. Just that last day, if we're going to find reasons to be cheerful, he batted, what was it, two and a half a day with Will Jacks, unscathed. That was another way of Ben Stokes, rather than saying it, just projecting what it takes to play test cricket. and you never know. I mean, are they going to go completely into their shells? Probably not in the next three tests. But there might have been just a glimmer there of this is how you bat time in Australia.

24:37Entertainment for me in Test Match Cricket is seeing Ben Stokes having been doubled over, being hit in the box.

24:44James Anderson:As we've said many times before, selling it like he's Stone Cold Steve Austin with two broken knees. Quickly, let me, exactly. Get the table. I'm going to put, I'm putting Pat Cummings through it. Harrison Ford. Jimmy, question to you. How many teams have you been in where you feel like you've overprepared? And could you have benefited from underprepared? Stop sending Brendan McCollum out for interviews. It was gnarky saying that, I thought. No more. Stop it. Send out a player. So, I obviously know why that's wound people up. Yeah. But I can see what he's saying in terms of when they've had five days of practice before what is meant to be a five-day test match.

25:23that is a lot that is a lot of practice especially if guys are going in every day you know someone like joe root he'll back for an hour two hours each net session so it's a lot when you especially the bowlers you want them to be fresh going into a game in brisbane where it's hot so i can understand that from a mental point of view you actually you've got to find the balance of getting the stuff that you want to get right right and also having enough breaks and so that your body's fresh and your mind is mentally ready to deal with five days of test cricket. He also said in that interview that they're going to look at the training methods.

25:59And I think that means like I'd rather focus on quality rather than quantity. So I'd rather have a one hour net session where the quality is like above test match level rather than doing four hours of nets, just hitting a few balls and making yourself trying to make yourself feel good. Bowl a few to the keeper. Yeah, yeah. You need to, it's got to be intense. It's got to be high energy, high quality. Yeah. That's how teams improve. That's how players get better.

26:28James Anderson:Yeah. Oh, God. Well, no, I'm just, there's so many things in my head that I'm actually fascinated by what's happening in a weird way. And what's going to happen. And what's going to happen. Yeah. My rational brain is saying it's 5-0. Could be quicksand so bad. But I don't want it to be that, obviously. Yeah. But I just want to quickly touch on this Brendan McCullum era, which is known as the Baszball era, whether we like it or not. Is what we're seeing now, and this might be completely wrong in correct theory, a warped version of what everyone worried Baszball might become, and it's suddenly become that, where everyone's trying to play in a way that's not natural to them, and a lack of confidence has meant, oh, we're supposed to be hitting everything.

27:13James Anderson:Are we? It's Baszball, remember? because it's definitely seeped in. They know about the chat around it. So what is happening and why does Oli Pope, why is he batting like he is at the minute? It feels like there's a lack of confidence with a lot of the players and the bowlers seem to be all over the place as well. Is it because there's confused messages because Brendan McCormick wants one thing but the individual players want another and Ben's saying this thing? Is it a lack of cohesion maybe? be. I can't imagine there being a lack of cohesion because I think, you know, when Brendan and Ben took over the captain and coach roles, everyone bought into it.

27:52But I think we all did. I did. We all, we thought that's actually great. You're asking about a crook from a player's point of view.

27:56James Anderson:But now it seems to have just, it seems to have got progressively worse. It started like the idea of everyone being able to be galvanised, be comfortable in who you are, express yourself in the way that you want to express yourself. We're going to be aggressive. But it's been warped into, let's be reckless with our aggression. But actually the clever thing is to just be on the front foot. So I think what you mean is that even if they're not, inclination wouldn't be to play that way, they have sort of, because of the doctrination of this idea, they have to go out and play that way. Exactly. But there's nuance to it, and I think the nuance of basball has gone, if there ever was any, which was Ollie Pope, go and be the best Ollie Pope you can.

28:42James Anderson:Don't try and be Harry Brook. Or actually, Jamie Smith, you don't need to go and be, I don't know, Adam Gilchrist or whatever. You just got to be you in that role. And I just wonder whether it's just got warped a little bit. And with the added pressure, they've all gone, I actually don't know what we're supposed to be doing. Am I supposed to be hitting this or am I playing for time? But they've made that statement because they, for example, dropped Ben Fowkes who kept immaculately, but batted in a more traditional manner. They've played Sam Cook for one test match. Having nibbled it in county cricket and been really successful, Phil was a bit thrown under the bus there and dropped immediately.

29:20Liam Dawson, they've given one test match in not those conditions. So they have flagged to everyone that those types of cricketers and that type of behaviour is not going to get in an England team. So I thought about the way they bowled, sorry Jim, when the way they bowled Nesta especially and I thought, you know, Jimmy, Chris Wokes, Sam Cook on that wicket, different game. Ton. Anyway, Jim, take what you want from that.

29:49I mean, going back to the point of what the players think, I think it looks to me from the outside, again, it's so hard, we're just guessing here because we're not in that dressing room, we're not in the players' heads, no idea what's going on, no idea what the conversations they're having are. But it does look like they're just the added pressure of an Ashes series, the added pressure of a deciding test against India. They're not making the right decisions in those moments. They've got the talents there to play the way they want, but they're not adjusting to the conditions. They're not delivering their skill under that added pressure.

30:24And that's what I'm seeing from the outside. It's not that they don't know whether to stick or twist. They know how they want to play. that each individual knows what their strengths are. Zach Crawley went away after the first test, got a pair, came back with a 75 and a 40-odd. So he's obviously worked at something and he's got the ability to score runs out there. Yeah, he did. He's now got to... And I know he's not necessarily that type of player who has not shown that consistency through his career, but he's got to be thinking now, right, I've shown it this week, now I've got to go one more and get that 100, get that big 100.

30:59But that's the difference. I'd be interested to know how many of those batters came to the ground or after the first test thought, right, do you know what? I messed it up. I'm going to work really hard. I'm going to get a massive 100 at Brisbane because that's exactly what Joe Root did. Ben said it after the game. He apologised to Stokesy and he went, no need to apologise. He's like, I'm going to get you a big one next game. Come on. Goes away, works really hard. And I know it's different because Joe's more experienced. He's got probably more quality than anyone in that team. He's that good a player.

31:28probably more than most people in the world actually. So he's a different animal, but I'd love to see a few more of those guys have that mentality, that mindset of going, right, I'm going to be the guy today. If I get to 20 or 30, I'm going to go on and get a massive 100 and get us in a position to win the game. It's going to be shivers even thinking about that mentality.

31:48James Anderson:I believe it again now. Yeah, yeah. I changed my mind to believe it. I also often thought, it looked like they were trying to get out. like if if like honestly if you're trying to find a way to get out in Test cricket that's how they played if you look at Stark's figures 6-4 or whatever you look at the score you could look at my scorebook if you want that I scored and you think oh Stark was swinging it he was unplayable he pretty much just hung it outside off stump and they all got themselves out and I've said it before on what's happened I'll say it again I have not been more disappointed with as long a wait since the Stone Rose's second coming.

32:29It's like I'm halfway through Stone Rose's second coming and it still could get good. It could still be the first record. Do you know what I mean? But we need love spreads to come on that record very, very quickly.

32:41James Anderson:Let's just put it that way. This is it. This is why we're so frustrated because we know the talent in that side. We've watched bad England sides. Do better than this. Exactly. Do better than this. Yeah, exactly. I've seen better ones do worse, though. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's such a tough place to go. When things start going a little bit wrong, everything feels like it's going wrong. Every little thing you do away from the game as well gets picked up on. It's like the catching. It looked harder to drop those and catch them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of them. Yeah. But it's just like one of those things you're like, how has that happened?

33:23What are you thinking, Jimmy? Are you thinking, because you did text, it's hard to watch cricket. Do you feel like, is your experience like, I want to be, give me the ball? Yeah, it just makes me want to play. Does it? It just makes me want to get out on a field and play cricket. It makes me want to go out in the back garden and start bowling. Does it?

33:42James Anderson:And bowl areas, bowl the correct areas. See if I've still got it. Get out there. Just turn up. I'm not going to Australia. Just go to Australia with your kit bag. Where do you want me? Do you ever think, because you haven't said that up until now, but that sort of prophecy that we need pace in Australia. Yeah. Do you think that's true or is it proving not to be true? Well, it was proven not to be the case. I mean, first things are the first test. You think, yeah, it's a great, great plan. Bolled them out for 1.30. I think it's going well. This test, I mean, we got, I don't know, we got played at a sort of completely the opposite to what we expect to get.

34:21James Anderson:Yeah, it was mad. With the keeper up to stumps? Well, I mean... For Nisa and Boland? It looked like at one point Nisa was... It felt like they were facing Alan Donald. They didn't have an answer to Nisa. And actually the tweet of the year probably... Go on! I know what you're saying. Came from Cameron Ponsonby. Yeah. He said, England spent years not picking from county cricket because it's different to the test game. And now they're all getting out to a 35-year-old Seema with the keeper up. that's what I I thought that again while I was scoring it am I watching Champo Division 2 yes it was though and it's like stood up to it nipping it around but the batting wasn't as good Jim you should be doing that you can go out there and do that batting well both you can go out there with Jamie Smith up for the stumps you'd get a hat full you put it on a plink I made this point to someone the other day I thought it was great a great tactical thing from Australia as I said before but I used to hate bowling with a keeper up.

35:21Still hate bowling with a keeper up. Did your ego hate it? It's not, maybe a bit of my ego, but I just, the visual of, I want to see behind him, I want to, I don't know, I just didn't like it. I didn't feel like it. Oh yeah, you want to see, yeah. I want to see the ball like carry through. Oh. And not just hit his gloves. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just on that though, carry coming up to stumps, he was unbelievable. He took a high, he took a couple super high, didn't he? There was a bouncer, I think, he took real easy. that catch over his head as well the high one where Marnus was trying to jump on his back

35:50James Anderson:Marnus was trying to get there yeah yeah great I just thought their field Smith's catch oh my god game changing catch that yeah yeah yeah Will Jack's catch come on not as good as Smith's no not as good as Smith's but come on yeah it was good slim pickings for us did that justify his selection yes I thought his second innings I would say he played really well yeah and Jimmy's been saying for a while Jack's could be batting free and I think that might end up being the case can I just quickly say essentially I've really tried not to be angry about all this, but something about this second test broke me.

36:21And I became, you know, tail enders is supposed to be the antidote to this, but I became the 80-year-old man shouting at a television, you stupid... Yeah. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I'm just trying to put a positive spin on it for you. Please do. You scored Joe Root's first hundred in Australia. See, that's nice. I can feel water coming by my eyes even when you say that. Well, look, okay. I've lived every single ball with him there. And do you know what was so beautiful? You hardly noticed he was there a lot of the time. Crawley scored runs quickly. Brooke did for a period of time. He's just there.

37:00Yeah. Just driving the car. Just like cushioning it down fine. That's how he does it. Many are beautiful shot. But he's just part... Driving the car. Isn't he? Just easing on the brakes when it's a red line. And it's like, f***ing Harry Brooks, grabbing the wheel for like five minutes, going, whoa! And Joe Root's like, no, I'm driving it. Get out of a passenger seat.

37:21James Anderson:He's taking a lovely road trip. He's just driving that car from countryside. He's a rally driver. Exactly. And you don't need that sometimes. Exactly. It's a great comparison. Shut up in the back. It's a very like that. That's it. And the rest of the Pope's there with his L-plates on still. Yeah. Having to grab the wheel sometimes. Oh, God, I love... Careful, mind that f***ing car. I feel bad because I do love it. I feel like just... What happens if they win? Like, what happens if they win this Ashes? That's what we want. Yeah. It's all we want. But the vitriol headed their way. How are they going to...

37:55Because it's almost becoming confrontational. Very confrontational now.

37:58James Anderson:It's got to fuel them. It has got to fuel them. It's got to fuel them. It has to. This is it, isn't it? This is why it's so difficult. But, Fee, let's finish on two nice things. Okay. So the Joe Route 100, you barely notice he was there. that the opposition doesn't notice he's there sometimes, just quietly accumulating. And that's what all the rest of the batters need to just watch that and go, oh, we can do a bit of that when the situation needs it. Yeah. How good was his celebration? Great. But did you hear him talk about it? No. Someone said, did you do that on purpose? He went, no, I just sort of, I didn't know what to do.

38:31James Anderson:Yeah. Because I felt like I sort of should have had one already. Yeah. So I just went, hmm? Yeah. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just rude. It was like a sitcom, like the camera fading and it just going to throw it off his face. Signing it, Joe Root. Everyone needs to be a bit more Joe Root in their lives. Yeah, love Joe. Come on. So give us a couple of highlights from that innings then that you were scoring. Because that's a lovely artefact you've got there in that scorebook. Yeah, so I've got it all. I didn't go colour pens. I'd put it on social media. A few people disappointed in that. But I felt like...

39:04Some of them are never happy. I know, they really aren't, are they? Get in the comments. When you are scoring stuff, though, where we talked about it before in tailenders. There is a very small cup of tea window at 4.30 in the morning. So you have to make sure, basically put it this way, when the keeper's up to stumps and the niece is bowling, you cannot make a cup of tea during that over. But if Stark is, and he's holding his back a little bit, then you can go kettle, bang, score, come back. Tea, bang, come back. Well, dot ball, come back again. Oh, Brooks nicked off, of course he has. Wicked.

39:32Come back. Paul and Milken, get a seat, come back in again. Oh, who's out now? James Lewis nicked off. Fine, thank you. F*** off. come back finish the tea bring the tea back to the thing oh right it's f***ing 135 for 6 f*** off I hate you

39:46James Anderson:there you go and that's how's the non-swearing going that's the second sorry I tried to bleep up my swearing f***ing realised my own anger so that's the second test reviewed done tick thank you come on then but that's what we're angry about is we have to get up so early I know you do it because of the breakfast show but we've all got a gap of 3 oh but we're getting up earlier and then we've got to be at 11 in the morning oh I'm going to get on with my day now but I've just had that that's why I text you guys so many times saying, you know David Brent when he's Austin Powers and he's like, do you think I'll take it back and it's a bit ripped?

40:12That's what I felt like this week. There we go. Do you know what this is?

40:16James Anderson:You know what this podcast often is? Now I've got to do my day. It's therapy and it's therapy to the viewers and the listeners. It always has been. It's therapy to us. Thank you for having me in therapy. And it's hopefully therapy for Jimmy as well. Give us your bowling attack for Adelaide. By the way, little subplot that I loved in the post-match interviews is that Ben Stokes kept forgetting that Adelaide was the next test. and he was like, we'll be better by Melbourne. We'll be better for Melbourne. We'll be better by Melbourne. Do you mean that? Oh, we're getting pumped in Adelaide, by the way, but by Melbourne.

40:45James Anderson:We'll be all right. We'll be all right in Melbourne. It's almost 3-0. Don't you worry. But he did it in two interviews and I thought the first one was a mistake and no one went, Adelaide's next, mate. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. I think they saw it in his eyes that they weren't going to question him. Imagine that. Yeah, Agnew just going,

41:04Adelaide next. It's so true. it's like an angry teacher you don't want to bring up like what would Ben have done to Aga's just walked off

41:12James Anderson:just like just peanutted him that's quite a fascinating dynamic that we have in between those two aren't we lovely it's a love story yeah I would love us to win yeah and just see the sort of changing yeah well if they do win the next three tests all the coverage just ends with those two just snogging fade it's so true fade to black Because that sort of tension doesn't come out of nowhere. No. That tension is connection. Something going on there. Yeah. Potentially. Physical. Who's bowling? Who are you taking there? Soundcook, Chris Wakes and yourself. You've got to have some nieces. I think Josh Tong's got to come in.

41:53Yeah. Might as well. We haven't got any nieces. That's what I'm saying. And why is Soundcook not there? Potts is the only one. Matt Potts is the only one that could do that job. We've got the original nieces here. It's Boyd Rankin.

42:08that's what that's what we're getting towards isn't it Boyd Rankin's playing so I bring I bring Josh no one even knows what he bowls sorry I bring Josh Tong in yes I'd probably keep Jackson because his spin looked decent when he bowled

42:23James Anderson:great catch just for the balance of the team as well that's probably my only the only person I think to bring in because I'd definitely give I'd tell Joffre that Steve Smith's been calling him names behind his back out there and just fire him up before he gets out. So I want to see that, that 153km an hour bowling, I want to see that at the start of a test match. Come on. I'm worried that you don't ever come back from that over where you start sledging Steve Smith and he hits you for six and then calls you champion. That's hard, isn't it? That's hard to come back from. He will, I'm sure, but it's hard to.

42:58Such a fascinating use of being condescending, calling someone champion, isn't it?

43:03James Anderson:Yeah. I had to actually turn the telly off on that moment. I think they've played together quite a lot, you know. They've played together like 35 times, Smith and Archer. They've got a great connection. I mean, it's fun, but it's fun if it's not, as you said, 15 runs to win. It's fun on day one of the Test match. That's great fun.

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44:27James Anderson:That's the visual podcast. Oh, okay, that's that. So matching's coming on the non-visualised. Yeah, this is for the audio podcasters only. The ones that we love most. Audio slave. Yeah, don't worry about those. The fly-by-night YouTube fans. They'll come and go. We're broadcasting to the ultras now. Ultras? They're just taking the cameras off, taking the SD cards out of the cameras. Felix has got the guitar now. He's too scared to use that on YouTube. I was. I hate the comments. Jimmy's plugging in his headphones so he can actually hear something. It's best for me not to do that on YouTube just so I don't...

45:04James Anderson:I thought it was quite a nice episode. Yeah, very crickety. I feel quite... I feel like I've exorcised something. Yeah, I felt like in the one previous we were trying to be very positive about things to be truthful about and I feel like in this one, I personally got more angry as we went through the episode. I think anger is funny though. Yeah, it is. Okay. Yeah, so look, we've just got to be honest, haven't we? Just always be honest. Hello. She's the podcast legend. Hello. Yes. Goal, cheers. How you doing, guys? Best we've ever been, thank you. But apart from the fact we're all dressed in black, apart from Sharky.

45:35James Anderson:Yeah. So that's a turn up for the books, isn't it? How are you feeling, Matching? What were your thoughts on the second test? Not great. Not great, was it? Probably over-prepared, if anything, I thought. Speaking of which, you're massively over-prepared for this quiz, because you've had about three weeks to prepare it. Brilliant. Yes. Does that mean it's going to be s***? Yeah. Wow. Expect him to nick off immediately. You'll be pleased to hear. Great. I've got, like you said, we haven't got much time, so I'm going to rattle through this. No, we haven't got much time. I reckon we'll have like seven minutes extra.

46:10James Anderson:Yeah, seven or eight minutes. Here we go. Oh, here we go. This is a brand new original quiz that celebrates the extraordinary career of maybe the greatest off-spin bowler ever. Welcome, Am I Lying? Oh, thanks for having us on Am I Lying? So that's not that topical though, is it? As he hasn't even played, but anyway. Yes, but he's going to be back for Adelaide. So shut up. I might have played it three weeks ago. Yep. So the premise is simple. You're going to enter the metaphorical, quizzical baton. The what? I'm going to tell you. The metaphorical. Metaphorical. Metaphorical. Metaphorical. Metaphorical baton crease.

46:49Metaphorical. Metaphorical. Mesopotamia. Thank you for having us in a metaphorical bat increase. I'm going to tell you an interesting fact about myself, Nathan Lyon. But is it about me, Nathan Lyon, or another member of the Australian Tess squad? You need to figure out, am I lying or am I lying? Would I lie to you? Why don't you call this Would I lie to you?

47:10James Anderson:Because I've got a theme tune. Do you want to hear it? Oh, yeah, please. Because he wouldn't scan with a theme tune. He's over prepared. Please, please, please. Yes, give us a theme tune. Two, three, four. Am I lying? Am I lying? Am I lying? Or am I Nathan lying? Welcome to Am I lying with me, Nathan lying. Thank you for having us on Am I lying. Wow. Is that a ukulele? It's piano, isn't it? It's piano, mate. Yeah. Was it? Or keyboard? It does take a second to get between chords, doesn't it, sometimes? Am I lying? Can't do it again. Don't worry, you're going to hear it a few more times. Okay. I am going to start I am going to try and do an Aussie accent Alright No I want you to To any Australians listening This comes from a place of love I don't know what Nathan Lyon sounds like But this is Do play along at home He said he was filthy didn't he Did he say he was filthy Nathan Lyon It was a filthy decision He said it's a bit filthy No I think he said I'm filthy How you doing he said filthy.

48:18I think it's a way of describing yourself. Yeah, he said filthy. So much. Okay, here we go. G'day. Let's play Am I Lying or Am I Lying? Felix. Yep. Hi. G'day. G'day. Right. I didn't take the usual pathway to being a pro, mate. Right. I was 23, still working as a groundsman in Adelaide where I got scouted by a coach when I was messing around in the nets. Am I lying or am I I'm lying. You're lying. You are Nathan Lyon. That's right, mate. I was just raking the pitch, mowing the grass. Down at the Adelaide Oval. Next thing you know, I'm having a trundle in the nets. Someone reckons this bloke actually turns in.

49:00Boom. One year later, I'm in a test team. Too easy. Am I lying? Am I lying? Am I lying? Or am I Nathan Lyon?

49:10James Anderson:And he got through the course, mate, Gricker. Oh, yeah, that's great. Good. The confidence to roll straight into him. I know. Hi. Hey, Jimmy, why don't you have a chat with your old mate, Nathan Lyon? All right, Gary. Bowling going. I've bowled over 30 ,000 test deliveries without a single no ball for overstepping. Am I lying or am I lying? Oh,

49:35you're lying. No way, mate. I'm Nathan Lyon. And I've slung down over 34 ,000 cherries in over 139 tests. And not once have I dragged my big toe over that line. Brilliant. Q Piano. First Aussie to play 100 tests and take 500 poles without overstepping. Jimmy, do you know how many nobles you've got? I couldn't give a f***. 38, you big galah. Am I lying? Am I lying? Am I lying?

50:07James Anderson:I know we've done an episode where we've been quite down on the England cricket team. I want to say this is one of my favourite games you've ever done. I love the commitment. This, by the way, this is the commitment we need from England's top order. Totally. We're talking about energy. He knows who he is and he's telling us that. He's got everything. He's got timing, rhythm. Yeah. Yeah. Confidence, but not overconfident. Continuity. Talent. Yeah, prepared the exact right amounts. Humility. He knows it's not very good at times, but that's okay. If he makes a mistake, he owns up to it and just goes, hey, guys, I'm matching Tendulka.

50:47James Anderson:Take me or leave me. And all of us, we take it. Accountability. And also what I like is it's very, very manic. So come on. We've only got four minutes, guys. Greg, g'day, mate. Hi, Gary. How's it going? Good. Great hair. I'm not lying. I was feeling... Oh, I just wanted to see how you feel about being left out in Brisbane. I'm going to be back, mate. What did I say before? Filthy. You're filthy. Filthy. I was bloody filthy, mate. Right. G'day, right? When I was a kid, yeah? Yeah. Right? Yes. I lost the top of my middle finger on my bowling hand in a freak accent. Oh. Am I lying or am I lying? I don't know that about Nathan Lyon.

51:33James Anderson:I think I wonder if all of these are Nathan Lyon Nathan Lyon yeah just so he can do more of an Aussie accent I feel like it might be got a minute left I think it might be I think it might be Nathan Lyon nah mate that's my cop of Paddy Cummins Paddy Cummins oh Cummins his his sister slammed the door on his finger when he was attacked right chopped the tip clean off like a snag at Bunnings didn't slow him down though if anything made him bowl faster am I lying Am I lying? Am I lying? Am I lying? Am I lying? Have we got time for one more? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Sharky's disassociating in the corner, so we're fine.

52:15James Anderson:Podcasts, indeterminate amount of time, duration-wise, so come on. No news to hit. Yes. Here we go. Some of the Joe Rogan ones are three hours. I've got a full commercial pilot's licence, yeah? If the boys ever need a lift around Australia, I could just fire up the engines and off we go. Am I lying? Or am I lying? It doesn't feel very nice but lying. Jimmy's just very, in a dejected way, he just sort of shrugged his head and shook his head so I'm going to say lying. Yeah, that's right, man. I'm lying. But that's my mate, Usman Khawaja. Old mate, fully qualified pilot. Got the commercial ticket, got the degree, could fly the whole squad out to Adelaide if he wanted to.

52:53Or Melbourne. Or Melbourne. Unless his eyes were failing. Am I lying?

53:03Am I lying or am I making that? Good joke, good joke. We've got one more. Lovely. Okay, g'day, g'day. G'day, g'day, g'day. All right, this was for all of you, all right? I took a wicket with my very first ball. Wicked. In test cricket, right? A wicket with your first ball in test cricket. Yeah. One ball, one skull. Am I lying or am I lying? I think it might be lying. I think that happened. I think it might have happened, yeah. You think it happened? I think that might have happened, yeah. Yeah. Nathan Lyon. You're Nathan Lyon. I think you're Nathan Lyon. I'm Nathan Lyon, mate. First ball in goal.

53:38Sanger Kaur and Nick Soff. And I'm thinking, jeez, Test Cricket's a piece of piss. I'm a lion. I'm a lion. I'm a lion. I'm a Nathan Lyon. I'm a Nathan Lyon. I'm a lion. I'm a Nathan Lyon, mate. Too easy. This has been great. See you. See you at the next Test.

53:59James Anderson:Nathan Lyon, thanks for joining us on Tale. So much, Gary. Hey, Gary, can you stick around for the Go Welles? Oh, too easy, mate. Lovely. All right, here we go, then the Go Welles. Can you do the rest of Tell Enders as Nathan Lyon, please? Yes. Every single episode. Yeah, forever. New Tell Enders. Baby! Human being babies, human being ones. Joshua, Aisha and Theo. Go well. Cheers. Birthdays. Human being birthdays, human being ones. Toby and Vicky who's recovering from an op and SJ who's 50 not out Go well Cheers Cricket clubs Human being cricket clubs human being ones Tring Park Calder Grove and new chairman Oz Go well to you Sefton Park Cricket Club Sheffield Collegiate home of Joe Root and Michael Vaughan Oh nice Newcombe and District Cricket Club as well Go well Cheers Cheers Matt was an original listener but then life and kids moving house and all of that meant that he lapsed a little bit but he's back and we want to say a massive welcome back, back into the first team, it's Matt Welcome back, go well Cheers Go on Nathan The Ashes travel well shout outs are quite sad I think because we're just worried that people are inserting yourself into sadness Yeah but we've all been out there Shulker, we've already had a series lost that I have as well.

55:27And actually, the good thing about that is you don't have to worry about the unbearable cricket.

55:30James Anderson:Emma and Andy are honeymooning in Australia and watching the Ashes. Amelia and her parents are off to the Boxing Day test. Go well. Nathan. Cheers. Go well and get well to Matt, who's had an operation on his knee. Go well. Cheers. Also, Ben listened to 10 ,970 minutes of Tear Lenders in 2025. That's nearly eight days worth. Go well. which is more days than we've had Ash's cricket this year move well to Eleanor who's one of our scorers during the summer she's moving from East Yorkshire to Clitheroe for a laugh oh lovely go well Clitheroe nice is it posh and that is the end of today's Go Well's and the Tailenders podcast Gary thank you a wonderful performance from you a lot of pent up frustration about not being picked in Brisbane I can tell that he's filthy and we'll be back for another visualised podcast at the end of the third test and of course you can follow all the action on Test Match Special on BBC Sounds email us tellens.bbc.co.uk yeah we'll use the hashtag tellens what do you like to take over shall I play us out shall I play us out yeah play us out go well everyone cheers am I lying am I lying am I lying or am I Nathan Lyon go well guys filthy hello this is Matt Chorley's Urgent Questions your daily dose of political mayhem from the heart of Westminster order order I call Matt Chorley I'm a supporter of flags it turns out time is finite government doesn't want to be involved in this I do not think the candidates are frivolts Matt Chorley's Urgent Questions subscribe to the podcast and you'll get the best bits every day from around 5 o 'clock listen on BBC Sounds.

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