Untenable

3 Jun 2026 · 1 h 10 min · 26 chapters

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In short

The episode of BBC’s Tailenders (hosted by Kirsty Young / “Young Again”) discusses current cricket—especially IPL batting dominance and declining viewership—then pivots to England’s upcoming men’s Test series vs New Zealand at Lord’s, plus a “cricketing sadness” listener story and a playful “secret chat show cricket” segment.

Guests (backgrounds)

Jimmy Anderson (England and Lancashire fast bowler; leading wicket-taker in the IPL discussion via stats like Rabada’s 29 wickets/16 matches), Felix White (musician; previously involved in cricket-adjacent media like “Not Just Cricket”), and Greg James (GeForce’s Greg James; radio/podcast presenter). Also referenced: “Sharknado” (Shane? co-host) and others in the studio.

Key claims

IPL viewership in India reportedly fell ~26% (2026), but the bigger issue is perceived imbalance: batters dominate via six-hitting and restrictive bowling conditions; the “impact player” should be removed. Proposed tweaks include changing power-play fielding rules, giving the best bowler five overs, and restoring more movement/new-ball challenge.

Notable examples

Rabada’s tournament wicket haul (29 in 16; economy ~9.7) and his “wide half” final wicket; Surya (Suryakumar) Vanshi’s destructive batting; comparisons with England’s T20 Blast being “more balanced” due to varied wickets and conditions. “Cricketing sadness” story: Robbie Coombs leaves the 2019 World Cup final at Lord’s with England still chasing, to avoid ruining New Zealand friends/family’s moment.

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Chapters

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Reuniting in Person

0:31 to 1:02

The hosts discuss the experience of being reunited in person post-lockdown.

“Imagine buying a toy for your kid, but it doesn't come with batteries.”

Reuniting in Person

1:25 to 2:56

The hosts discuss the experience of being reunited in person post-lockdown.

“Thank you for having us on Young Again, aka Tate Lenders.”

Upcoming Cricket Events

2:56 to 3:38

The hosts share excitement for upcoming cricket events including the Women's T20 World Cup.

The IPL Discussion Begins

3:38 to 4:51

The hosts delve into the popularity of the IPL and its viewership trends.

“And Alistair Cook was saying that he got annoyed with how much of a badger he was because they kept asking him questions all the time when they were sort of chatting and stuff.”

Concerns About T20 Format

4:51 to 6:00

The hosts discuss potential issues with the IPL format and its impact on cricket.

“Still probably billions of people into it.”

Bowling Imbalance in T20

6:00 to 7:25

The hosts express concerns over the dominance of batting in T20 cricket.

“well I was about to say that Uncle Satch is going to chat do you want to play it?”

Suggested Changes for Balance

7:25 to 9:56

Discussion on potential rule changes to restore balance between bat and ball in cricket.

“I feel when in a T20 format, you just have to play 20 overs and then you are adding one more batter to that lineup where bowlers are already being challenged.”

Performance Metrics in IPL

9:56 to 11:15

The hosts analyze performance metrics of bowlers and batters in the IPL.

“It's too far weighted against those guys because, yes, Suravanchi is obviously brilliant, but Cummins, Boomrah and Archer are also amazing and they're not as bad as that, as the stats would suggest.”

Record Statistics Review

11:15 to 14:00

The hosts review statistical records in the IPL focused on centuries and five-wicket hauls.

“I want to see them with a new ball, a little bit of movement, a bit of a challenge for the batter.”

Episode Discussion

14:00 to 28:01
“fourteen 14 centuries scored by individuals in that field.”
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Cricket Discussions and Recent Performances

28:01 to 29:09

Analysis of current cricket performances and player selections.

“So that is, that's the thing now, isn't it?”

Oli Robinson's Comeback and Expectations

29:10 to 31:18

Discussion on Oli Robinson's return to international cricket and the expectations surrounding him.

“Because it's like they want a character like him, even though I think he's probably bowled quite well, but not like outstanding.”

Bowling Balance: Rian Ahmed vs. Bashir

31:19 to 32:57

Debate on which spinner should play in the upcoming matches, comparing Rian Ahmed and Bashir.

“Do you think Rian Ahmed or Bashir will play?”

General Cricketing Sadness Stories

33:53 to 38:04

A segment sharing listener stories of cricket-related sadness and reflections on those experiences.

“For new listeners, this is when you send in a story of sadness on a cricket field.”

Reflections and Personal Cricket Moments

38:05 to 42:01

Discussion on personal experiences related to cricket and the historical significance of games.

“Why don't you just go and watch it somewhere else in the ground?”

Snooker and the Joy of Silence

42:01 to 42:43

A discussion about snooker experiences and the enjoyment of quiet moments.

“I had some, was it this year you went to Crucible?”

Introducing the Quiz Segment

42:44 to 44:30

A humorous introduction to a unique quiz format mixing cricket with personal anecdotes.

“But skillfully, weaved within the questions, there are going to be numerical answers.”

The Secret Chat Show Cricket

44:31 to 49:12

An interactive and playful chat segment where hosts share personal stories intertwined with cricket trivia.

“And everyone's got different disciplines.”

Tailenders’ Evolution and Impact

49:13 to 51:29

Exploring the origins of Tailenders and how it evolved to represent the love of cricket.

“when you found TellEnders, what, what, what do you love about it most?”

Audience Engagement and Career Highlights

51:30 to 56:00

Hosts discuss their career milestones and audience interactions, culminating in humorous reflections.

“I think, obviously, Greg mentioned not just cricket.”

Audience Size Anecdotes

56:00 to 58:08

Guests share their experiences of performing in front of large audiences.

“You should do a Ringo Starr announcement that you're not going to do any more selfies.”

Quiz and Score Discussion

58:08 to 59:25

The hosts discuss the scoring system and feedback from a recent quiz.

Listener Messages and Well-Wishes

59:25 to 1:02:38

Listeners' messages are read, sharing news and well-wishes to various groups.

“sorry what the okay that was i liked it but it doesn't it needs scorers yeah it needs score guys if you listen to this and you're scoring it was specific numbers so it was like what age did you move out of house?”

Shout-Outs and Updates

1:02:38 to 1:06:50

Shout-outs for birthdays, engagements, and personal updates from listeners.

Garden Furniture and Naming Challenges

1:06:50 to 1:10:00

Hosts discuss new garden furniture and humorous naming suggestions.

“Actually, that was their job to write in and tell us.”

Discussion on the Crow Thorpe Trophy

1:10:00 to 1:10:58

Learn about the Crow Thorpe trophy and its unique design.

“That brings us nicely wrapped up in a bow here because it's the Crow Thorpe trophy that the test series is all about.”
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Transcript

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1:25Thank you for having us on Young Again, aka Tate Lenders. Never not young, I'd say, this podcast. This is GeForce's Greg James, and we're live in the same room. That's quite nice, isn't it? Reunited. So weird seeing everyone. Is it? Are you finding it weird, Jim? We're getting pixels involved. Yeah. It is nice to see everyone in HD. It does feel weird, doesn't it? I mean, reanimated. Like lockdown. Do you think we still get on in real life, or are we just online friends? Oh, God, but that's a big question about life. I think we do. I have that all the time. I don't even have that with your real friends.

2:01are just now digital typing. Do you have that? Weird. When you think, oh my God, you're just words on a screen now. Matt's nose is smaller in real life. No, Matt's nose is looking quite good, I think. Yeah, smaller in real life is what I said. Oh, okay, yeah. It was a compliment. Well, the camera is sort of fish eye, isn't it? On Zoom. Yeah. So it's mainly nose. It's a nose guy. It's nose eye. So here we are, look. Go old cheers. Go old cheers. A couple of weeks away from the Women's T20 World Cup. Oh, is it? It is a few days away. Come on, Izzy. From the men's England New Zealand series. Buzzing.

2:37We want to talk about the IPL as well, because we've realized that when you do talk about the IPL, it does numbers. The algorithm likes it. And what we should do is we should do what everyone else does. This is it. Optimize themselves. don't talk about the stuff that you want to talk about talk about the stuff that does numbers the people yeah so guys I love the IPL don't you we were decided but we were going to concentrate on the county championship this year which bless us is so sweet let's pay dividends because we backed Emilio Gay Rue yes backed him yeah Matt's backed Rue for years yeah and I backed Emilio Gay I do like I really like Emilio Gay yeah get onto that later on but I do I like what I think he's a great talker yes I agree just what you want to open someone to open the bat in a test match he talks well he does talk well I think he's I think he's a cricket badger yep and so you want to see that coming through the test side he is there was a Chappers on Monday night cricket or whatever it's called it was a really good episode where they had Ramprakash Cook Finn Sessions Matt Henry Rhee.

3:56Yeah. Danny Gibson and Brendan McCullum. A bit of Brendan, a bit of Emilio Gay. And Alistair Cook was saying that he got annoyed with how much of a badger he was because they kept asking him questions all the time when they were sort of chatting and stuff. Yeah. So that shows that he's a badger. When he's annoying other cricketers with how much of a badger he was. That's when he was much younger. Alistair Cook was, when Emilio Gay was much younger and came to Alistair Cook and said, can you eat a burger before you play? That's the bit. Amelia Gate asked him if you could eat a burger I was like yeah of course that's the kind of question you asked Jimmy guys guys we need to optimise ourselves IPL IPL get back on track yeah however when we decided to go full steam ahead all chips in on IPL to benefit you haven't missed anything this was just something we decided in between episodes a few days ago a thing flashed up on my Instagram which was the headline India is finally falling out of cricket IPL viewership crashed 26 % in 2026.

4:54For God's sake. Still probably billions of people into it. Why is it dropping? Is it because it's boring because they're the same team as winning? It's a very good point, Matt. What I read was it's down from 10 and a bit million to 7 and a bit million or 8 million. Okay. Still decent. Sounds quite good. I think part of it is because everything's clipped up. It's how you absorb. So people don't watch it. Yeah. people do keep on top of it but just not through but yeah game itself but i look like i was looking at it obviously i look at most things from a bowlers point of view but every game i've watched every clip i've seen it's about the batters it's about the sixes how far the sixes have gone it's about surya vanshi cleaning up shudman gill has had a great tournament cole he's had a great tournament i don't see many clips about great balls you don't look at how he's took off stump out of the ground there or you know all the wickets are caught on the boundary or a lot of them are or they're knicks behind you know it's it's not i just feel like the game's gone too far towards the back yeah i agree i watched the final the whole of uh the game on sunday because you were talking about it jim i was like i want to watch the whole final get my head around out and it does have a surreal sense of it not being the game you know and i think that's because the batting is so dominant it does feel like they're talking about the boundaries being quite short like shorter or something but it does actually feel like the playing surfaces themselves or something it must be so built for people to play through the line with shots yeah I think the wickets are good quite a lot of scores that you know a lot of games have been like 230 plays 190 200 yeah so I think that yeah it's just geared up to people to hit sixes and I do feel like something's got to change because I want to see a little bit more I'm not saying it's got to be you know everyone still loves seeing the sixes I'm not saying let's get rid of them but can we see a little bit of some balance back in the bowlers favour whether it's an extra man out in the power play whether it's balls that swing a little bit more whether it's a wicket that's just slightly not like the M1 it's a bit more like an A road what did Uncle Satch say about it?

7:13well I was about to say that Uncle Satch is going to chat do you want to play it? you two were chatting were you? Oh, he said exactly the same thing to Main Street Media as well this week. That's weird. That's interesting. The impact player needs to go away. That is my personal opinion. Get rid of the impact player. The impact player, yeah. Okay, there's a substitute, yeah. Worth a ripple. I feel when in a T20 format, you just have to play 20 overs and then you are adding one more batter to that lineup where bowlers are already being challenged. I find that imbalance may be a suggestion that the power play of six overs with field restrictions, only two fielders allowed outside the ring, let the first four overs be batter's power play with same field restrictions and post that the remaining two power play overs should be determined by the fielding captain as and when he wants to take.

8:15But those two consecutive overs will also get one fielder extra outside the ring at any stage of the game. So, you know, you are able to control the game better. That's my personal feeling. And one bowler should be allowed to bowl five overs. Five overs? Yes. Because you would, invariably, the best bowler of the side is going to bowl that fifth over. That's from my WhatsApp voice message. Is that just your family clapping in the background? Yeah, I quite like all those suggestions. You know, there's got to be something. I don't think all of them at once, but like one or two of them, you know. Don't want to throw the baby out of the bar for one, John.

8:58Three fielders outside the ring I like in the power play. I like five overs for the best bowler. His point was that the team's best batter can bat for 20 overs if they want, potentially. Yes. And yet the bowlers are restricted. The best bowlers restricted on how much you can affect the game. So I quite like those points. I think you're right about, definitely right about the bowlers, Jim, in that like I was watching Rabada Bowl and it was almost like I had a feeling of like, you know when you see like an unbelievable, magnificent beast and they've been caged and been put in a zoo and they're like reduced to like people staring.

9:35It feels a bit like that with fast bowlers. Like they're just serving up half follies, etc. Well, Suravanchi destroyed Cummins, Boomrah and Archer and made them look quite ordinary at times. And that's a 14-year-old. But that's not right. Because as you're saying, they're restricted or... It's too far weighted against those guys because, yes, Suravanchi is obviously brilliant, but Cummins, Boomrah and Archer are also amazing and they're not as bad as that, as the stats would suggest. So there's an imbalance there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interestingly, you mentioned Rabada there. He was the leading wicket-taker in the tournament.

10:17Yeah. 29 wickets in 16 matches, I think, he played, which, you know, a decent return, but his economy rate was about 10. I want to say 9.7, something like that. No doubt. And I think Bhuvaneshwar Kumar was the second leading wicket-taker. He's the only one out of the top 10 seamers that their economy rate is under 8. everyone else Archer Cummins Hazelwood they're all around 10 between 9 and 10 and that's like like you said Greg for some like bowlers of their quality great T20 bowlers to be going at that many runs per over is just it feels a little like I know they're still taking wickets but you see Rabada's wicket in the the final was a wide half they get slashed to third man not satisfying it's not I want to watch Pegiso Rabada who's one of the best bowls in the world.

11:13Bumber are the same. Archer are the same. I want to see them with a new ball, a little bit of movement, a bit of a challenge for the batter. If they get through two overs, great. They're in and they can then start swinging from there. Got shivers, you saying that. I want to see a bit more. I think in all our different ways, that's the thing that's difficult about it is it's actually not the game we fell in love with. Yes. That's the hard thing. But not in an old man kind of way. you want a balance of like any team any game you want to see a balanced game whatever sport it is you need there's no point having one person way out in front because you're like it's always boring but it's sort of audience expectation now which might be a problem yeah which is IPL audiences and crowds are expecting 66666 ball flying out the park whatever else so they need to cut they need to somehow kind of address that balance shortly is it too late yeah is it because it's it's sort of it's almost sort of algorithmic in a way yeah where people have got so used to just sort of scrolling for instant gratification with stuff that stuff is now being made short form and people are getting used to that so you're just getting fed what you think you want which is nuggets all the time actually you don't need you need a you need a balance in a balanced diet it was a fascinating switch over because the blast was on t20 blast one at the same time so i was flicking through the two and it was like watching two parallel universes if cricket had gone one way or the other.

12:42So weird. Yeah. Exactly the same game. Is the Blast more balanced? I guess it's more balanced though, isn't it, the Blast? It probably is. Maybe it's because of the atmosphere. It feels more... And who plays in the Blast? What is it like? Gorgeous. Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit more balanced but generally you get good wickets in the Blast I think in England. We've seen some big scores already this year. I think the difference is there are more games played on... there's less grounds in England so there's more games played on them so you're having to churn out games on the same wicket so like we played two games last week both on the same wicket so it means that the second game is not going to be as high scoring but it potentially brings spinners into the game, it brings different batters into the game different skill set for them so I think that actually makes it a little bit more interesting for everyone, the first game we played was good we got 208 or something won that game and then we the next game was like 150 play 150 so it's sort of you know a bit of everything rather than just the same thing all the time my last point on the the IPL and the the balance between bat and ball how many hundreds do you think were scored in the in the IPL this year I'm imagining going to say none how many hundreds yeah or loads fourteen hundreds fourteen hundreds fourteen 14 centuries scored by individuals in that field.

14:06Wow. How many Fifers? Oh. A couple. One. Oh, wow. How you goes at that? That's a good question. I should know. I will actually have that for you. 1 ,400. Yeah, I mean, that clearly shows the goal. I know Fifers are quite rare in T20s, but I think hundreds should be as well. Yeah. In 20 over cricket, yeah. I'm amazed at that. They are rare. It should be a big deal when you get 100 in a T20 game. And also, in the 100, it took, I think it was the second season before there was an actual 100 in the 100. Okay. It was Will Smead. God. Smead. And Tammy Beaumont was the first women's 100 a year later.

14:54Have you seen the Manchester Originals AI advert has been getting a lot of stick? What, this is the one they did ages ago, the elephant thing? It's a new one, isn't it, Jim? No, it's a new one. They've done a kit release. Do you care to comment on that, Jim? You probably can't. It's an AI kit release. Oh, stop it. That should be illegal. Get me to do the kit release if you're going to do a kit release. Don't stop using AI s*** on stuff. So Manchester Super Giants have put out an AI image of the new kit. And one of the images is it's a match scenario on the field with two Manchester Supergiants batters at the crease surrounded by fielders in whites.

15:36In whites? Yeah. So it's a test match. It looks like a test match. I also saw the Welsh Fire account posting proudly that Joe Root had been called up for the test match. They were like selected for England. He's leaving us. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't play for you all the time. He plays for England all the time. He's contracted to England. And you're lucky if he ever goes to Wales. He goes without blessing. Oh, well, he needs to make sure he's rested for August. If he's not ready for the Super Kings, he'll be f***ing. I can't find this advert, unfortunately. I'll get it for you right now.

16:18Is it AI music as well? I think it probably is. This is awful. This is awful. This is awful. That is... It's so bad, isn't it? So depressing. It's so bad. Just film the... You've got the... Film the players. I've got the players over there. AI, lazy... Anyway, back to the IPL. I found out who got the five for... It was Mohsin Khan. Out of his 11 wickets, he got five for 23 in one game. Wow. There you go. Anyway. Well, bold. Look, I don't want to be down on stuff. No. But it is important to call out absolute b****s when you see it. That AI stuff is lazy. It's cheating people out of good cricket content jobs.

17:02And there are some amazing cricket content people that could go and do that. There's amazing cricket influencers that you can hire and that will come and do the job for you. How much should it cost, Mark? Not you. Because if it was a choice between AI and you, we'd choose an AI. By the way, he has done the kit launch for... Yeah, that wasn't AI. For you and John from Idols. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool, that. Yeah. That was cool. And that's humans doing that. Yeah. Was it? That's nice. I've got a question. I've got a question. Because obviously there's some Gloucestershire players in that photo shoot as well.

17:34Merchant Delang. When they saw you and John from Idols come out in the kit, what did they? I don't think they knew who we were. Oh, really? No, they had no clue. But they were just happy for you to be there. No, Mitchell, because Merchant took an offer from who did you do? Let's never go into that. He did an advert with another... Nottingham shirt. Yeah, nottingham shirt. I don't know. So he was persona non grata at Bristol and now he's wormed his way back in with that. He's playing often short form sites. I will come and do any cricket shirts launches. You're basically like a franchise cricketer.

18:10Yeah. But you're a franchise content creator. Yeah. He's a garden for hire. I'd love to know what Cameron Bancroft was thinking in that advert. Stood next to Matt. Do you know him? Because they don't know. He's got his number? No. Because they don't know who... Of course, yeah, some of them do. Right. The Lang does. They might know who idols are. Do you know who idols are? Yeah, but they might not, with all due respect to John Beavis, they might not know the drummer of Idols. They might have, you know. No, I don't mean that in a room. I love John. Yeah, I love John too. Love John to death, but...

18:41Too many people don't know. The drummer's the least known member of the band, don't they? Bass is probably least known. Least popular. Bass is least popular. Do you think so? You tell us. You're in a band. I think, well, quite often people say, this is true of cricket teams and wicketkeepers and bands and drummers. They're the least popular. But also, a band is only as good as their drummer and a cricket team is only as good as their wicketkeeper. Who's the most fun to hang out with? If you meet in a new band for the first time, would you gravitate towards the drummer or the bassist? Well, it depends which band.

19:10Give me an example. Who's yours?

19:16I don't know. I've never heard of that. But if you're just meeting a new band for the first time, Who do you naturally gravitate towards? What's the personality you gravitate towards? The lead singer, the drummer? I know. I take your point. I think... It's a new band. We're called... Scouting for Boys. Scouting for Boys. You've met us backstage at Kendall Calling. Yeah. And we're like, yeah, we're scouting for boys. Yeah. No. I'm going to call the police. Sorry, you're okay. I'm good. Yeah. Why is a drummer wearing a Bristol one-day kit? why is this AI man approaching me okay yeah so do you have a natural affinity with certain members of a certain

20:04I'm sorry that I slagged off John Beavis I think I know the answer you want me to give you okay let's move on I'm sorry John you know what I mean what was slagging off next Greg Idol IPL AI AI idols more like let's talk about idols have just been supporting System of a Down in Mexico by the way so that is a big book John went from doing the kit launch lost the ground to play in front of 80 ,000 people in Mexico so now you know who I am Cameron Bancroft I'm marching to Lang I'm f***ing supporting System of a Down so go and play in front of four people again

20:45stab the Bristol So go and bat in front of four people and I'll play the stadiums in Mexico. Shall we talk about the test?

20:56I'm sorry, John. You know what I mean. I'm just saying. Love you, John. Tail end up. Love you. God, cheers. And Gloucester, fricking up. United take over forever. And good luck in Mexico. On Thursday, the men's test series between England and New Zealand gets underway at Lawrence. Buzzing for that. And that won't be AI. It's the 150th test match at Lord's. Three match series. It's crunch time. It is. Last time we saw this ragtag bunch of guys was in Australia. Tails between their legs. And it was bad. And we all hit new lows. Yeah, we did a bit. But I think we can come back. And I hope this team comes back.

21:43I really do. It's got a nice thing to it, isn't it? Because it's must win. Really? They can't lose this first test. Yeah, I would say it's must not f*** up more than must win. Because it's... Do you think it must win the series, isn't it? It is must win. If we lose this series, don't you think, Jim? Go on. I would say if we lose this... What happens? Nothing happens. There's no consequence. I think it will be... When you talk about must win, you immediately think of a race for the playoffs or a relegation battle. Yeah. yeah there's no consequences necessarily or a Champions League semi-final mm-hmm they're must win but I think when we say must win we mean for the personnel the leadership personnel I guarantee if they lose a series you will hear the word untenable more than you've ever heard the word untenable in your life and the baby will be thrown out with the bath very much so the baby being thrown out with the bath water will be replaced by untenable yeah it will be untenable so you think if they lose the series that it'll be untenable it'll be untenable all positions untenable just this series are you not talking about the whole summer the whole summer I think so no I think this free test series just this three New Zealand tests they obviously won't no one they won't change it but I think they have to win both series it'll probably be untenable it's an interesting one because like the team is actually you'd say it's probably transitioning slightly from the last couple of years or two or three years, whatever.

23:14Yeah. In terms of the personnel, you know, there's going to be definitely one new player at the top of the order. The bowling attack, similar, but still inexperienced. I think what England need is to take the pressure off those guys is their dead certs to perform well. Root, Brook, Stokes. If those guys perform, then it takes so much pressure off everyone else. You know, you talk about relaxing and playing with freedom or whatever you want to call it, showing off your talent. You can't do that if the team's under pressure. So the senior guys have got to make sure that they're in a good place to be able to then allow other people to express themselves.

23:55Okay. Yeah, interesting. I thought it was interesting on that TMS podcast that Greg referred to, Alistair Cook said the whole shtick has been to take pressure off the players. But the thing is, at this level, there just is a lot of pressure and that's the whole point of test cricket type thing. So you're never going to be able to insulate people from pressure. Yeah, you can't take every single area of pressure off. Because the pressure comes from different places, right? You know, there's pressure from expectation and whether that's media or fans or each other, the cultures, there's expectation there.

24:34Then the pressure once you walk onto the field is the one that you have to deal with. And you can't take that off people. You can't. It's going to be there. Regardless, you go to Australia, the thought of going onto a field in Australia for five test matches and feeling no pressure is just insane. You're going to feel it. And it's more about helping players deal with that pressure rather than taking pressure off them. I'm sure that that's kind of what they mean. But for me, I'd be thinking, how do we help guys cope with that so that will allow them then to perform at their best under that pressure?

25:12I don't think I'm quite ready to love England again yet. Yeah. So my positive spin on this is I love watching the Kiwis. Yeah. I love it when New Zealand are in the UK. And they're good at the moment. They're very good. I can't wait to see Ratch in Ravindra. Oh, come on. Did you watch any of the island test last week? Yeah, yeah. Shark is working it. Sharknado. Looked good, didn't he? Ratch in. They look good. He got some? Yeah. He got 100. Looking good. Yeah. They actually started, they started Pauly Island, Island started well, however you want to look at it. Island bowled well up top and they were three or four down quite early.

25:47And Ratchin and Blundell put on a great partnership together. Don't know if it was full strength, that team, but especially the bowling attack with New Zealand because they've got guys in the IPL. So if they've, you know, full strength bowling attack, I just feel like they're going to be tough to beat. It's actually set up really well. We've got a home team that needs to win, maybe don't need to win, but it will be untenable I feel like we're in bed. They're under pressure. This podcast will be untenable. New Zealand side feel very strong. So that like balance has been slightly addressed from a home away perspective maybe.

26:22So it could be a really, really, really good. Greg, when you say you're not ready to love England yet, what do they have to do to lower taxes? To be clear, I don't mean the country. I don't mean the nation. What do they have to do to win your love back? What can they do? I just think time. Great question. I need some time. You need some healing. Just a bit of healing. I think we wasted so much of our lives over Christmas. Yeah. And so much time just chatting about it. I'm triggered by watching interviews with Brendan McCullum. I was just about to say, I think because of the fallout from an Ashes series, the interviews, whether it's Rob Key, whether it's Brendan McCullum, whoever else that we've seen, and then you get people's opinions all the time.

27:07It's just a constant sort of picking apart everything. Whereas actually now we've got to a point where we can see cricket again. So this is the first time that the players will get a chance to go, you know, show how good they actually are. Yes, it was a torrid time in Australia, but plenty of teams have had that in the past. Now there's a great opportunity to go, right, back at home against a good New Zealand side. let's show people like how good a team we can be this is the thing i i do not like it when we're down on the cricket i'm not i'm not aggers i don't like it when we do badly okay i like it when we do well and i love those players that's that was the deep frustration wasn't it of the winter yeah because we know how talented some of those players are like oh please please just do what we know you can do.

28:01So that is, that's the thing now, isn't it? It's the, I can't watch any more interviews with Rob Key. I can't watch any more interviews with Brendan McCollum. I just like go and don't stop telling us that you've done learnings. Just please, just go and please play. And findings. Please go and let your findings be finding the boundary. Please. I think what Jimmy said is interesting though, because it's like, actually we've, because there were, those tests were so short in Australia. There's actually been six months where we've seen so little cricket but there's been so much talk about very little cricket and that's part of the exhausting thing actually on that do you think there has been enough cricket for them because there hasn't been a county championship game for like a couple of weeks maybe more than nearly three weeks maybe and then yeah new zealand were playing in belfast yeah practice wise it's all right yeah i think it's fine okay i'm trying to think if who's not played obviously Bethel was in the IPL but you look at the rest of the top seven Gay, Duckett, Root, Brooks, Stokes, Smith have all been playing counter cricket they've all played a couple of championship games at least if not more I think Smith might have played five or six so they've got enough there it's only been a couple of weeks since the last championship game it's not a lot of time and then enough time to sort of freshen up Exciting to see Oli Robinson back actually yeah I'm excited to see a sort of side by side comparison of what he did a couple of years ago and you go alright then this is his moment to really show so interesting Voddy Robinson show us because he hasn't like it's not like he's been the highest wicket taker in the county champ this year or last year it's not like he's do you know what I mean it's such an interesting selection because it's not like he's gone away and it's not like they've said well prove it to us with your fitness with wickets it's almost like it's very indicative of just the change of, even if they would like to admit it or not, just that change of thinking.

29:56Because it's like they want a character like him, even though I think he's probably bowled quite well, but not like outstanding. He hasn't been in the top five season as an accounting champ this year. Is it a reaction to that, that he's not played badly? He's been talking a good game. He's done some really good PR. He has done some good press. That is definitely part of it. That's a good thing. I'm not having a go at that. And the other thing is, England need some control don't they? that's the thing that was lacking in the winter you want someone who can control and just hold up an end to a certain extent and just nibbling away or is that I don't know about that they want players that can take wickets they want bowlers that can take wickets and he can he's got skills as good of skills as you'll see in test cricket his issue you know when he played was I think out of his 20 tests at least four times where he didn't finish the game with injury.

30:53That's quite a lot out of 20 tests. I saw an interview with Brendan McCollum the other day and he was saying that he needs to maintain his pace. He needs to, you know, his fitness has got to be at a certain level. And he's played, you know, a fair bit of county cricket. He's been captain of Sussex as well, which I think will help him as well. But it is, the ball is so much in his court now. You'd have to say this is it, right? This is his chance. if he wants to make a successful career playing international cricket this is it this is this three match series is it show us what you've got like you can't be half-hearted or leaving anything i'll just save a bit for later you've got to give it absolutely everything i don't see him getting another chance if this doesn't go well this summer so he's just got to leave everything i'm anticipating that now nice that's cool yeah i was excited anyway we're looking we're looking i'm buzzing for some really good test cricket.

31:48What about the spinner, Jim? Do you think Rian Ahmed or Bashir will play? It's quite hard to tell, isn't it? Yeah, it is difficult. I mean, I've played against Bash this year. He bowled nicely at Old Trafford. I really like him. He's such a lovely bloke. He works so hard at his game. He loves playing cricket. And I did feel for him in the winter. He's all this investment into his game. He played 18 out of 19 test matches leading into the Ashes and then didn't get a look in. He's so weird. and it's pretty brutal and then having Noel County as well it's just been a tough six months for him but I just love his attitude as I said loves playing the game wants to learn he's still young but at the same time Rayan's exciting as well they're both in a similar boat Rayan will give you more with the bat he's done amazingly in red ball cricket for Leicester with the bat so for me it depends on the balance of the team if they want someone to bat number eight if they don't like Gus Atkinson at 8 and Ray-Anne plays at 8 if they're happy with Gus Atkinson at 8 then Bash can play at 11 yeah yeah this is summer at its peak Whole Foods Market Summer Fruit Fest is your invitation to eat the season fresh, organic and bursting with flavour start your day with peaches and organic blueberries and yoghurt build a grazing board with fresh fruit prosciutto and artisanal cheese then fire up the grill Fill with no antibiotics ever proteins and fresh produce.

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33:52Should we do a general cricketing sadness? I'd love to. Please. For new listeners, this is when you send in a story of sadness on a cricket field. It could be any level of cricket, any age group of cricket. Yep. And it will be read out by the great Sir James Anderson. And why would it be read out by Jimmy in particular, Greg? Because that will then shine a spotlight on you, the person who sent the message, and just go, you know what, don't worry about it. This happens to everyone. Correct. Cricket can give you wonderful highs. And because of that, because you live up the top there in the highs, you're going to get those crushing lows.

34:33That's part of it. It's part of life. It's part of the game. but there's something nice about Jimmy knowing about it yeah the cricket oracle and we want to alleviate you of your cricketing pain and once your story reaches Jimmy Anderson's brain and then goes through his mouth you will be alleviated of your cricketing sadness and pain to prove that there's nothing to be scared of because when you've told Jimmy Anderson your story and he goes hey it's fine you don't need to worry about it anymore James let me know when you're ready Jim okay well we've not done one for a while I don't know why I read that out because it says, so let's do one now.

35:05We've pretty much done that. Oh, you mean now? This one's been sent in by Luke, Phil, Mike, Rich, Ravi, Manish and Matt. Wow, a lot of people. A lot of sadness. A lot of sadness. Dear Greg, Felix, Jimmy, Matching and Sharknado. Our friend, Robbie Coombs, is an absolute cricket badger and tailenders fan. Go on. Robbie's life revolves around cricket from being first team captain at the University of Kent to becoming a linchpin of a Beaudley cricket club for more than 20 years. One year, Beaudley benefited from having Jono Bolt, Trent's brother, play for them. Robbie and Jono struck up a real bond.

35:52Robbie visited Jono in New Zealand and they met up whenever he was in England. Fast forward to 2019 and Robbie was lucky enough to get a ticket to the World Cup final through his friendship. He was privileged to be sitting with the friends and family of the New Zealand team. We all know what a historic and memorable victory, by the barest of margins, this was for England. It was a real, I was there moment. Or at least, it should have been. You see, with five overs to go, England losing wickets and still 40 runs short of their target, Robbie drew on all his cricketing knowledge, his experience of England snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and crucially, his general sense of decency...

36:44...and respect for others to make a big decision. I was just turning the page. No, it was just a sharky printer issue. Fully expecting New Zealand to win, Robbie didn't want to get in the way of a special moment between the team, their friends and family. He wanted to give those he was sat with the space to revel in the moment, recognising that he would be out of place and wouldn't be able to join in. Robbie chose to leave Lords. He missed those agonising, nail-biting final few overs, the drama of the super over, that run out, and seeing Owen Morgan lift the trophy. Robbie, like many others across the country, followed all of this on his phone as he made his way home and was as excited and jubilant as we all were.

37:35But equally, his joy was tinged with sadness and disappointment. Having sat through 95 overs of the final, he wasn't quite there to witness history being made. Awful. We've no doubt that given the chance, Robbie would make the same decision again because that's just the type of bloke he is. Kind, decent and respectful. A good man and a bloody good cricketer. From your friends Luke, Phil, Mike, Rich, Ravi, Manish and Matt. Extraordinary. Extraordinary. Why? Question. Why don't you just go and watch it somewhere else in the ground? It's a great question. You could have gone and sat at the nursery end.

38:14Yeah. It was quite full. But you'd find somewhere, wouldn't you? I'm an expert finding empty seats around. Just kidding. There were no empty seats. You could have watched it on the screen. but also you could have just just they wouldn't be looking at you in that moment if New Zealand won yeah once you get one they're into another box that's what I do I just mosey around crazy choice but saying that I kind of get it being someone who would hate to be in a position where I mean it's a lose-lose there isn't it if New Zealand win England have lost so he's deflated he's with the friends and family of the New Zealand team yep you can't sit there moping whilst they're celebrating you can't join in and celebrate with them because he you know again wrong but also if if he'd have stayed there till the end when England won and he's jumping up and down in their faces what would you do he'd stifle it yes yes yes it's an interesting story in opposition to Sharky's predicament where Sharky actually left his child stranded in order to be at the game in a lay break you left him didn't you you left him on a motor so he wasn't there Sharky yeah did you just leave you left him in the boot of your car yeah I lay by or was it a harvester one of those do you want to write a reply let's not give him a right reply one of those cafes on the side of the road someone was serving bacon but he's oh my little just keep an eye on him will you and he raised all the cars Sharky always trusts the Toby Carvery yeah those two cars would have crossed Sharky is the living embodiment of a Toby Carvery those two cars would have crossed if you were to say to someone what's that man's name and you held up Mark Shalman or Toby Carvery.

39:55Most people would pick Toby Carvery. Anyway, well done for sending that in. It's a great general cricket and sadness. Thank you to Luke and Phil and Mike and Rich and Ravi and Manish and Matt. And most of all, go well to Robby. Cheers. Go well. Cheers. If you have also done this situation where they have, it doesn't have to be cricket, you had an opportunity to go to a thing that turned out to be historic. Yeah. And you just sit in there going, I'll never, ever. ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get over that. Tailenders at bbc.co.uk. What was yours, Sharky? You can come on, Mike. Or I could relay it.

40:32He can't be so excited. He can't control his... Toby Carvery, what would you like to say? Are you faded what? I'm faded up. Yes, you're faded up, Toby Carvery. In the late 80s, there was a concert for Nelson Mandela, Nelson Mandela's 70th birthday party at Wembley Stadium. Yeah, aware of it. Great and the good of music we're playing. my gran entered the competition in the Daily Mirror to win tickets. And she won some tickets. She won a pair of tickets to go. And she gave them to me. Said, you always want to go to concert. So, she gave me this ticket to go. This is a monumental concert. Free Nelson Mandela, yeah.

41:07Free Nelson Mandela, Wembley Stadium. Yeah. And I didn't really want to go. So, I sold my tickets. And I bought, with the money. Magic beans. No. I bought the test match game, you know. Way better. Wow. Way better. way better which I still have you know and the ball bearing what did you tell her that you'd gone to the concert I can't remember what I told her but when you wanted to come and tell us a story I wasn't expecting Nelson Mandela to be involved to be honest classic Toby such a good game by the way it is one of the great games it might be my favourite board game yeah in fact I'm just going to call it now it's my favourite board game I've still it's still somewhere yeah I've got it somewhere definitely Yeah, yeah.

41:53When you get through the field, through his legs. But there was a kid who played it live at the Crucible. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He brought it. That was his tap modern.

42:08I had some, was it this year you went to Crucible? No, I went to Ali Pally. Oh, for Snooker? Yeah, Snooker. Yeah, it was so good. I think it might have been Chris Wolkes. I saw someone went and I was like, I'm so jealous. I love horse gold. mate the snooper and alipani was one of the best things I've done we've played the crucible we get surely we get some sort of you know like MCC player member I get to go knowing that no one can talk to you for six hours exactly it's so nice just a little earpiece in yeah everything alright at home yeah matching let's hello let's have a quiz let's have a quiz this is it's a different one this week just go with it you've said that so many times since we arrived here so I just when have we not gone with you we are always with you it does mean you guys leave in the room for a minute while explaining the rules secret rules to just the listeners and it's going to be when you come back in imagine I'm the host of a late night chat show and you are my guests yeah I love the Graham Morton show I love he just lives out of these fantasies alright and look how willing Sharky is to kick us out of the room is Sharky leaving nor does he know no Sharky Sharky doesn't have to PS go well to give me 90 seconds go well cheers if we never come back just to say we love you and go well by the way this is not an opportunity for you to drop in stuff about sponsorship or brand endorsements you've been doing I am available to any county cricket club Sharky welcome to secret chat show cricket okay I'm going to interview the guys I'm going to you don't have to whisper they're not in the room okay I'm going to tell Enders this is just for you the guys can't hear I'm going to interview the guys as if they were guests on a chat show imagine like Graham Norton And you're going to learn about them.

43:52We're going to find some anecdotes. It's going to be fun. You're going to learn about the guys. But skillfully, weaved within the questions, there are going to be numerical answers. And for every numerical answer they give, that's how many runs they've scored. So if I said, for example, how many guests were at your wedding and they said 150, Greg says 150, that's 150 runs. If they refuse to answer the question, that's a wicket. so play along at home listen out for the numbers that will be skillfully weaved in the questions welcome to Secret Chat Show Cricket thank you for having us on Secret Chat Show Cricket let's get them back in right we're back in back in the room welcome to the Matching Tendorka Show thank you for having us on the Matching Tendorka Show we have got three exciting guests with us those we've got Greg James, Jimmy Anderson and Felix Walsh Oh my God, it sounds exciting.

44:47What a lineup. So great to see you guys. What a lineup. And everyone's got different disciplines. I last saw you at the Met Gala. Yep. Don't get me started about the Met. You spilled the drink down. Meryl Streep. Oh my God. What a night. We're going to delve a little bit into your youth, your fame and everything like that. Can you tell me, when you were young, when you were growing up, can you remember your first snog where it was? Who are you addressing this to? All of you. Can you remember who? You don't have to say the name of the girl. Do you remember where it was? I do. It was outside her mum and dad's kitchen window.

45:22Oh, really? I walked her back from school, and they were looking out of the window. Nice. And I didn't realise that. And I walked away with a hard-on in my suit trousers. Canned audience claps and laughed up. How old are you? How old are you then, Greg? I must have been 16. Jimmy do you remember Smitewater Jacks disco bar of course it was Smitewater Jacks Smacks a dark and smoky bar how old do you think you were then 18 obviously to get into it I was about 15 three do you remember yours yes school bus much much younger very charming driver snog like I think I was 11 oh wow and yeah that's fine We pulled the curtain over us.

46:16Everyone knew that we were going to kiss because we'd been going out for a while. And it was like a lot of hype around it. And so I remember her pulling the curtain around. So it was just our two heads there. And I remember feeling the fear in both our eyes. We actually had to kiss now. It wasn't just going to be anyway. Amazing. And then after all that snogging, you left home, became adults. Not because of that. No. Do you remember when you left home officially? you would have went to London Greg? Oh yeah when you left your parents house how old were you when you left your parents house? I'm sorry what's this game?

46:51It's a quiz show he said go with it so I'm just going with it so yeah funny funny story actually matching yeah went to uni, went to university never came back never came back I didn't go back because went to university aged how old are you 18? 17? 18? and then went straight straight into Radio 1 1FM as we called it at the time and yeah you know yeah just moved straight to London amazing Jimmy when did you move out? I'm interested I because you would have got so I went I went on tour probably 19 went on a what you call a Lions tour now it was England A, I think, or Academy at the time. And I feel like someone had put a leaflet through the door about flats going up in Manchester.

47:52And my mum and dad went, oh, these look quite good. Because I was contracted to Lancashire. So basically came home from that tour, ended up playing for England on that tour, came back home. So in 2003, moved out to Manchester. your parents are just like almost forced you out I think they were helping I like to look at it like they were helping me to set up and become a man but yeah they forced me out canned audience laughter

48:26Fee what about you as soon as you signed the record there no it was actually before then you should have researched from me had this chat earlier so you should have got that I went to university to Sussex is when I moved out at the age of 18 and I never looked back. You never went, you never moved back in with you? Here's to not looking back. We're so similar. They're going to clip that, that'll be viral. On the toctic or whatever it's called. We're different but similar but also successful. Well, this is what I was going to come to. You've had, you know, you've had your, you've had your little career, your side quest with the radio and the cricket and the music but the mega success really found you with TellEnders.

49:10Okay. What surprised you? What, what, what, what, when you found TellEnders, what, what, what do you love about it most? What, what surprised you about TellEnders? Is this TellEnders career you found? Is this all geared to us saying you? No. Oh, but it is you. Craig, I like that your body language is now, is so, Hiddleston. TV show. I'm Hiddleston on, at the end of the sofa, just ready to do my rubber hair. Mine isn't at all. Jimmy's, yours is quite good. I need to get a bit more TV host. generally this is okay genuinely I've also given you genuine answers all of them have been genuine I was a late starter I moved straight in to London from university and the idea of being with women terrified me until I was old enough to have my own thoughts and the reason I love Tailwinders is because the truth yeah can you handle the truth I audience laughter it was because of Jimmy Anderson because he got me to do a cricket show called Not Just Cricket with Swanee.

50:08And then I thought, oh, I really love doing cricket radio stuff. Maybe I'd like to be a cricket host. Then I tried that on BT Sport and I was very thankful for the opportunity, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I hoped I would. Good show though. And I really wanted to do the spirit of not just cricket, but something else. Five Live said, we're trying out these new things where it will be podcasts that don't appear on the radio. I said, that'll never take off. And so we had a run of six episodes to do, maybe seven. So we assembled Sharknado. Go on. Me and Jimmy. And then we were like, who's going to be the extra one?

50:44Who's the other? Felix had been amazing on Not Just Cricket. We were both fans of the Maccabees. We thought he was very funny, very smart about cricket. And that's how Tell Enders were born. So that is, that's my favourite thing is it started really with not much hope. And then here we are 10 years later nearly. So my favourite thing is you. because the reason that my long winded story which would have been edited for time on Graham Norton is that the whole point was to do cricket in a way that wasn't being done so it was representative of the cricket that we all loved and you are the living embodiment of that so showing everyone why we love cricket in this particular way and you turned up and you understood why we loved cricket and we sort of infected you with it that's backfired isn't it how long do you think generally how long do you think the talent is going for each of you years are we not getting i first fell in love with it because we rarely talked about cricket and i was very much in the cricket space then yeah as in playing for england and as we're on an ashes tour and it was a lovely sort of place to drift off into something else.

52:10I think, obviously, Greg mentioned not just cricket. We'd done that radio show, so I knew I got on with Greg and we had lots of things in common. But then Felix coming in and the excitement I had of being able to talk about music with both of them and not just cricket. Probably should have just called it that, shouldn't we? And now, yeah, I think it's, I think it helped me sort of fall back in love with it and remember why I love playing cricket because you guys love it in a certain way and talk about it in a certain way that has made me sort of appreciate what I've been able to do for a career.

52:50Aww. That would get the audience going. Yeah. That is nice. And camera cuts to Ed Sheeran on the stage. He's applauding over there even. What was the question again? What surprised you about being on Tailenders? Oh, right. Okay. Well, the first thing that I always say that surprised me about being on Tailenders was that when we started, I genuinely, I thought that we were just messing around. I didn't realise we were recording when I heard it, but I assumed it was going to get edited in a way that like made it like a, I didn't really know how that was going to happen, but it was going to be a bit more of a serious cricket show.

53:23And then I didn't realise that all the bits we were talking about was the actual show. so I actually thought the first few episodes we did that it was going to get really we were just messing around and then like they were going to take a few minutes of cricket chat I mean that was going to be the show I should sorry no please go on I thought you stopped finished no this is a great interaction between I just wanted to add in there about the editing thing yeah like how many of the initial I mean it still happens to this day but like especially those first few and we'd come out, we'd record it and then come away going, that can't be any good.

54:05And then the magician that is Sharknado would just pluck all this magic out of what we thought was a pile of s***. If you had to, very quickly, how long would you think Selens could carry on for? Another 10. Another 10 at least. Yeah, another 10, count me. We've done nine and a half, so another nine and a half. Another nine and a half, Jimmy? yeah however long we want it to go on for another 10 we've got an answer then okay how many selfies like this week how many selfies have you been asked for each of you I would say significantly less than Greg and Jimmy I've been asked I've actually done what is it Tuesday but I've done two selfies this week two Jimmy how many have you been asked for Jimmy's done a lot it's been the last seven days I'm gonna say this week I am gonna say zero role yeah you've been asked for or you've taken both i think i think tuesday today i think i think it's been zero this week no no selfies this week no i think i think they're both being overly yeah i'd tell you if i yeah i'd tell you i think i i over indexed in sunderland at big weekend right i think i had a year's worth there's a lot of selfies you know like on in the weather they like we've had a year's worth of rainfall in a month yeah yeah that's what happened you think that would have been roughly around Big Weekend.

55:29Yeah. I think it'd be hundreds. How many steps were you taking before another person asked for a selfie? I felt like I was a politician. My mate last night said that when I go to Big Weekend and do the build up for the week before, he says, everyone's on their best behavior. You're like Ofsted. So I have to go into a city and I'm like, how's it all going guys? And everyone's It's like, yeah, brilliant. Do you want to go into our pub? It's brilliant. We've got this music venue. Pull a pint. Look how fun we are. Do you want to have a pie? We're always like this. Isn't it fun here, guys? Yeah, it's brilliant, Mr.

56:02James. It's like everywhere's a TV show. It's like you're like social Ofsted. I don't know. 100? 100? Yeah, for this week. You should do a Ringo Starr announcement that you're not going to do any more selfies. No more selfies. Peace and love. You will be tossed. Do not send fan mail to any address you have. Okay. Sharky's wrapping this up. Final question. You've all, you've all have very different careers and very different in, uh, different, different realms. Yeah. What's the big, to the nearest thousand. Okay. What's the biggest audience you've played in front of, whether that be cricket or DJing or, or where has that been?

56:38Maybe I was thinking of Greg, maybe the Coldplay kind of walked out there. Oh yeah. Oh, we're introducing them. Well, just like work. What? Yeah. What's you've worked. Oh, what's the biggest audience you've kind of worked in front of? I think worked in front of. because that's millions I don't know but in a live environment well I get I introduced them at Wembley but that wasn't really working ladies and gentlemen it's Coldplay 90 ,000 then 90 but the biggest DJ game I've done I don't know what about the tandem right no no in a live environment well the tandem was live wasn't AI yeah exactly so how many people saw that count them I don't know I'm so confused by this whole feature No, no, but the...

57:21Jimmy, what's the most people you've played in India? 100 ,000. 100 ,000. Fee? DJ gig, 3 ,000, Matt. 3 ,000, yeah. Where's that? Some race course somewhere. It's quite a big gig. We've played more than 3 ,000 at 10 Enders. All right, 10 Enders then, 5 ,000. You're right, if you're asking. Fee? I don't know. 60 ,000, maybe? Festival. Yeah, that would be like, would the other stage at Glastonbury easy? yeah yeah somewhere like that guys it's been so good having you on the matching show thank you for playing oh being on the show hold on he's having a breakdown is that it is there no this show's been cancelled no wait where's the music okay I feel so tense that was the matching show with me matching Zendorka Greg James Phoenix Wyatt Jimmy Anderson basically that was Secret Chat Show Cricket so we were learning about you we were loving our anecdotes secretly weaved in all these questions were numerical answers and those were the runs scored Chucky, who won who's the highest score?

58:34You have put so much work on his plate doing that as the scorer Toby Carvery, come on give us the scores I haven't added up completely but I can tell Greg won because he mentioned 100 ,000 90 ,000 5 ,000 although Fee did use the word millions but he didn't use the specify he just said millions but in terms of specific numbers I was basically saying literally just what you said the biggest number how old were you how old were you yeah I think if you think Sharky's done the score right I'm gonna look back I'm gonna listen back if so if we've gone off 16 17 do you get both you can never get 17 no he's he's I know Sharky's done the score wrong guys listen back i'm gonna do the scoring basically he says he's added every number that's come out of any of our mouths together i didn't mean i don't look at it again look at the numbers sorry what the okay that was i liked it but it doesn't it needs scorers yeah it needs score guys if you listen to this and you're scoring it was specific numbers so it was like what age did you move out of house?

59:4716, 18, 21, that's how many runs you'd have scored. To the nearest thousand, how many people would you perform to be out of? 5 ,000, 100. So I've written down. 60, so immediately the cricketer and the rock star are going to win. I did have loads of other questions. It doesn't matter that I was a virgin for ages. I thought I might win with that. I said millions because that's what Greg does. He's showing in front of millions. Yeah, but anyway, it will make sense. It doesn't count because you can't see him. Is that what it is? Yeah. Radio matters. Yeah? Okay. Just speak to Ray Jar about that. Anyway.

1:00:23I've written all the numbers down. Yeah, but not every single number is a specific number. No, no. You've written every number that's come out of our mouths and that's not the quiz. Right, answer. How long's Taylor Lenders go? It's finishing today. We're all bickering. And music credits.

1:00:39Jesus.

1:00:44F*** now. oh my god that was so weird but also there were some really nice there were some really nice stories and that was the real goal the real quiz was getting some nice and I thought we got some good content out of that it was nice I'm glad I referred to the years 2002 2003 so they'll have gone down thank you can you get those he's on his phone still having them up matching his quiz every letter that you utter corresponds with a number all those numbers combined adding the letters up will equal your score at the end of the quiz. Any numbers you mention are deducted from the lessons. It was just one single number per question.

1:01:24Don't get angry with us. I'm not. This is a simple scoring system. Loads of go-wells this week. Cheers. Oh my God. Birthdays. Human being birthdays. Human being ones. We got Andrew. We got Sam. We got Kim. We got Chris. We got Pete and Adam and Noel who's 59 out. We got Hamish. We've got Errol. We've got Robbie. Go well. Cheers! Cricket clubs. Human being cricket clubs. Human being ones. Concert cricket club, especially Ewan. Cleave cricket club. Goring by sea, especially Jacob and Harry have started All-Stars. Lassel's Hall cricket club. They celebrated their 200th anniversary last season. Elstow cricket club.

1:02:06I'll get you a lot of points in Matching's quiz. Nesbara Forest Willows. Redwood cricket club. Yorkshire East and Central under 15 so they'll get you some points but not many especially Max also Sharky had that up and the Yeeden team I've been divided by seven the Yeeden team especially Grace Goel cheers also Tanmay Dixit who is a respected zoologist but also a hero of Cambridge NCI Cricket Club Goel cheers goel engagements Q &B ones Q &B ones Andrew and Freya and Finn and Hannah Max from Deca Band who provides music sometimes is getting married on Saturday to Jemima Max and Jemima go well go well cheers and quite literally thank you for the music thank you for for giving it to us free of charge Fiona is listening to the back catalogue we've got Evo who's qualified as a professional train driver as opposed to an amateur one which is not advised James hit 119 highest score ever but his side still lost a win for you though sometimes it is sometimes it isn't a team game Matt got 113 not out Dylan aged 6 has all stars cricket and hit middle stump with his second ball bowling nice work Dylan Ben got a hat trick Finlay hit his first ever boundary so go well to all of you go well Finlay Quay cheers cheers anniversaries human being anniversaries human being ones it's just bilateral sometimes inaugural it's just Tom and Jen go well cheers cheers Go well and get well to

1:03:46Tom and Will Please can I get a go well and get well Says Matt For Tom and Will at West Malvern Cricket Club Defending 12 runs from the final two overs With the opposition 8 wickets down Tom and Will collided on the boundary Tom suffered a double fracture of his tibia and fibula In his right leg Will suffered a double jaw fracture Double jaw fracture I'm seeing Jason Gillespie and Steve Waugh was it? in the night they crashed into each other that is oh earlier in the innings Jamie was hit in the face and broke his nose what a go well and get well would mean a great deal to those injured and everyone associated with the club this is a calamity cricket club do they get the runs that's what I want to find did you win did you go well and get well cheers and you know we always say you know new players welcome they might be welcome but I think twice about West Melbourne cricket club curse on that one West Melbourne CC's cursed cricket anyway go well bit of a downer isn't it but get well and go well new tailenders baby human being what did I say there babies human being babies human being babies human being ones David Archie Louis Megan Laney Albert Isabella or Laith Alfie and Isabella another Isabella go well grow well Noah took three for nine and he's 12 Goal very good a bright future ahead Lara got some new batting gloves and wore them while having breakfast I've already considered that Lara's a great name yeah it is a great name and it's like a great cricket name yeah a great cricket name yeah Goal Goal Lara it's great yeah it's so true there must be a lot of cricket fans that call their kids Lara but secretly yeah exactly as if your partner doesn't like cricket and you manage to call your your girl Lara what Lara Croft is a cricket that's probably a massive cricket fan Robert Croft Colin Croft Colin Croft Colin Croft then Robert Croft in that order Brian, Lara, Colin Croft Robert Tomb Raider Walk well to Tim who's aged 72 who's walking 185 miles of the Thames Path for a laugh and charity Go well Walk well Manny's got a new job Go well Sean, Tom and Luke are off to Scarborough for Yorkshire versus Warwickshire Go well Wed well to Jim and Grace Carrie and Angus oh it's wedding season Carrie and Angus Binator and Ogles Abby and George Eddie and Kayla Ed and Beth Chris and Emily Becky and Sam Tom and Georgia Josh and Zoe and George and Mia Wedwell Cheers Snipwell to Joe who's well he's not having his b**** snipped off but he's having it you know tied up Snipwell and I've got a move well for my mate Will and wonderful Helen and their little boy Freddie yeah move to Manchester for a laugh move well well move well go well cheers go well yeah help them move the other day I drove his car did you you drive it out there and he drove he drove the van I was insured absolutely and we were going to do a sort of a road trip we were in convoy but we were little walkie talkies I didn't check they said they were going to leave at midday so I left at midday they didn't leave till three so I was just I was in their new house before them for three hours just sat there oh you had the keys at least I was the first person in the new house I felt I called them and went is it weird if I go in can I christen the toilet oh yeah when did I six hours on the M6 took a pound in you got those numbers for your game matching yes I did that the game is always on yeah so go well move well whatever and the return of the garden furniture shout outs I'm very part of the show Steve has a new pergola oh my days that's massive I don't know if it's literally massive but that is massive and actually he's called it Brian Pergola Lara Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Chris has got a new table congratulations Chris that's massive called Bernie Constable table Constable that's of course Bernard played for Surrey from 1939 to 1964 and scored nearly 19 ,000 run despite having his kneecap removed during the latter years of his career what was that for a laugh Cameron's got a new bench stokes bench stokes works cheers Ewan says I've recently acquired a new sprinkler with a timing feature that's absolutely huge Which has pleased me and my children much more than I would have ever considered possible.

1:08:38What should we call it? Oh. Actually, that was their job to write in and tell us. Something about a 10-11 team, because they had a sprinting day, something.

1:08:53Andy Hosey? Andy Hosey? Who's Andy? Is that someone you've made up? Yeah. Andy Hosey? Adam Hose. Adam Hose. Do I mean him? I don't know. I don't know. I've heard of Adam Hose. You can call it... What about... Adam Hosey Oak. Adam Hosey Oak. I was going to go for Blair Sprinkler rather than Blair Tickner. Oh, that's quite nice. It doesn't really scan. Spray Illingworth. Spray Illingworth is excellent. Really good. Spray Illingworth is really good. There you go. It's called Spray. Write that down, Sharky. Thank you. Write that down. There must have been better rays than that, but... I don't know if there are.

1:09:39Wilf has recently purchased a plastic falcon to scare away pigeons in the garden. The dilemma of what to name it has been forefront. Alex Scary has been suggested. Okay. However, he feels it to have an Aussie in the garden, it would stand against all English morals. Any suggestions for the falcon? For God's sake. Martin Scarecrow. Really nice. Nice. Martin Scarecrow is great. Yeah. Yeah. Martin Scarecrow. Yeah, I like that a lot. And it's actually appropriate. That brings us nicely wrapped up in a bow here because it's the Crow Thorpe trophy that the test series is all about. Martin Crow, Martin Scarecrow.

1:10:22Yeah. And to give him his full name, and Graham Thorpe. Have you seen what it looks like, by the way? The trophy, haven't? Do you know what it is? It's a beautiful bit of wood. Is it? it's definitely Graham Thorpe's bat I don't know if it's one of Martin Crow's but it's like two pieces of a bat like joined together it's really cool oh wow that sounds amazing on a plinth it's a lovely way to end a slightly weird episode of Tailenders today thank you for a really go well we'll be back next week for more Tailenders after the test match Tailenders at bbc.co.uk is the email address if you want to send us anything Tailenders is a Persephoneic production for BBC Sounds.

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