Apple’s MacBook Neo, OpenAI’s Pentagon Agreement, Anthropic’s Investors Silent on DoW | Diet TBPN

5 Mar 2026 · 32 min · 19 chapters

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Podcast Episode Notes: TBPN - Apple’s MacBook Neo, OpenAI’s Pentagon Agreement, Anthropic’s Investors Silent on DoW

Episode Overview

  • Podcast Title: TBPN (Technology's Daily Show)
  • Hosts: John Coogan and Jordi Hays
  • Air Time: Monday - Friday, 11 AM - 2 PM PST
  • Platforms: X, Apple, Spotify, YouTube

Episode Description This episode of Diet TBPN encapsulates significant tech news, including Apple's product launches and developments regarding OpenAI and Anthropic. The discussion emphasizes Apple's new product offerings, its position in the AI market, and the dynamics of investor sentiment towards AI companies.

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Key Topics Discussed

  1. Apple's MacBook Neo
  2. Launch Details:
  3. The MacBook Neo is positioned as an affordable personal computer targeting students and casual users, with a starting price of $599 ($499 for students).
  4. Aimed to compete with Chromebooks and low-end PCs.
  5. Specs:
  6. A18 Pro chip, 256 GB or 512 GB of storage, 13-inch display, 16-hour battery life.
  7. Comes in multiple colors, including "ramp yellow" (citrus).
  8. Market Positioning:
  9. Represents a strategic move by Apple to retain price-sensitive customers while allowing for higher pricing on premium products.
  10. Comparison to previous lower-priced models like the MacBook Air from 2014, which sold for $899.
  1. Apple's Stance on AI Investments and CapEx
  2. Apple appears unaffected by the increasing costs associated with AI investments, in contrast to competitors like Amazon and Microsoft.
  3. The company has maintained a steady capital expenditure, opting not to invest heavily in AI compute infrastructure.
  4. Discussion on how Apple's strategy differs from competitors that are increasing their investment in AI capabilities.
  1. OpenAI’s Pentagon Agreement
  2. Discussion about OpenAI's latest contract with the U.S. Department of Defense amidst rising tensions and backlash regarding AI's role in government.
  3. OpenAI's CEO Sam Altman defended the contract, labeling it as necessary while acknowledging the brand risks involved.
  4. Contrast with Anthropic, which is facing scrutiny and a quieter response from its investors amid its own contentious relationship with the Pentagon.
  1. Anthropic’s Investor Sentiment
  2. Notably, major investors in Anthropic have remained silent during its conflict with the Pentagon, reflecting a cautious approach to public relations amid potential backlash.
  3. Discussion included the implications of Anthropic being labeled a supply chain risk by the government.
  1. Market Trends and Challenges
  2. Observations on rising memory costs (referred to as "Ram-mageddon") affecting the tech industry.
  3. Discussion on how Apple is circumventing these issues through long-term supply contracts and custom silicon strategies.
  4. Mention of ongoing challenges faced by competing technologies and the effects of global supply chain constraints.
  1. Miscellaneous Discussion
  2. Light-hearted banter about hypothetical scenarios in an apocalyptic world, alongside tech insights.
  3. Final thoughts on the general sentiment in the tech sector, including potential delays for products like the PlayStation 6 due to rising memory costs.

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Key Takeaways

  • Apple's Strategy: Launching budget laptops enables Apple to maintain its premium pricing strategy across other higher-end products.
  • AI Market Dynamics: The contrasting approaches of major tech players towards AI investments reflect their differing operational strategies and market positions.
  • Investor Caution: The silence from investors regarding Anthropic indicates a strategic retreat during a turbulent period.
  • Supply Chain Resilience: Apple's established supply agreements give it a competitive edge in managing rising production costs.

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Conclusion This episode of TBPN serves as a timely analysis of significant tech developments, particularly focusing on Apple's innovative approaches to product launches and the evolving landscape of AI companies. The discussions highlight strategic insights and reflect on the broader implications for the technology sector moving forward.

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Unveiling the MacBook Neo

0:45 to 2:40

Discussion on the features and pricing of Apple's new MacBook Neo.

“people that have an iPhone but don't have a Mac yeah because of costs Yeah, yeah, yeah.”

Market Positioning and Strategy

2:40 to 4:35

Exploration of Apple's strategic positioning and target market for the MacBook Neo.

“Cheap for 2026, cheap for an Apple product, even cheap when compared to other laptops.”

Comparative Analysis of Apple Products

4:35 to 5:40

Comparison of the MacBook Neo with other Apple products and competitors.

“and so you can actually run really frontier source models on pretty normal hardware now.”

Memory and Hardware Insights

5:40 to 7:30

Insights into Apple’s hardware strategy and memory pricing amid rising costs.

“You get them a keyboard, they're locked in.”

Apple's Financial Model vs. Competitors

7:30 to 9:10

Discussion on Apple's financial model compared to AI-driven competitors.

“Like we saw Friend apparently has found a little niche, very controversial, but Humane has sold to HP.”

Impact of Rising DRAM Prices

9:10 to 11:10

Analysis of the implications of rising DRAM prices on Apple's product strategy.

“just like you can call like a weather API or a maps API, like Uber exists because there was like a GPS API that you could just call within an iOS application with a couple lines of code.”

Supply Chain Strategies

11:10 to 13:20

Examination of Apple's supply chain strategies in securing memory resources.

“If you went to build a computer or a phone or laptop or iPad equivalent, and you just went to retail, getting an extra 128 gigs of memory or a slight memory upgrade might cost you 30 bucks.”

Apple's Strategic Memory Procurement

14:00 to 17:29

Learn how Apple's supply agreements and custom silicon impact its operations.

“So, one, Apple has long-term supply agreements that allow them to secure memory 12 to 24 months in advance.”

AI Lab Competition and Memory Demand

17:30 to 19:54

Discover the implications of AI labs' memory usage on competition and pricing.

“What is the chance that they don't release it this year?”

Anthropic's Stance Against the Pentagon

19:55 to 21:50

Explore Anthropic's challenges with the Pentagon and investor silence.

“I still stand by that given the events that have transpired in the world since last week, being there to like meet the government feels like being on the right path.”
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General AI Safety Discourse

21:51 to 23:58

Understand the ongoing discussions around AI safety and decision-making dynamics.

“Treasury or any other government agency.”

Market Trends and Tech Media Decline

23:59 to 27:30

Analyze the recent declines in tech media traffic and market volatility.

“If it's not, it's like, let's discuss live.”

VC Podcast Viewership Trends

27:31 to 28:00

Discover the interesting dynamics of VC podcast viewership amidst market changes.

“And many venture capital firms have showed us that it's possible.”

Meta's Paid Traffic Strategy

28:00 to 28:30

Learn how some podcasts are using Meta ads to boost their views.

“The reason is that they are running paid traffic on Meta at their own YouTube videos.”

Implications of NY's LLM Bill

28:30 to 29:23

Explore the potential impact of a new bill on legal AI assistance in New York.

“absolutely like the the example on the right is dwarf cash he got a million views and uh it had 4 ,700 comments.”

Value of GPT in Business Negotiations

29:23 to 29:40

Discover how AI tools can surpass traditional legal services in negotiations.

“I don't even know how bad it'll be for lawyers, especially given that at least right now, even if I could generate entire legal docs.”

Anthropic's Supply Chain Risk

29:40 to 30:17

Discussion on Anthropic's role in the AI supply chain and recent trends.

“One, Anthropic marked as a US supply chain risk by the government, same as Huawei.”

Humor in AI Company Names

30:17 to 31:05

Examine the humorous side of AI company branding and naming.

“But Zareem says, why is the company named AI Slop backwards?”

Closing Remarks and Upcoming Shows

31:05 to 32:00

The hosts reflect on the episode and tease future content.

“Also an absolute dog who's been on a generational run and done fantastic things throughout his career.”
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0:00John Coogan:There was some big news this week. Of course, everyone knew that Apple was launching new products, but there were some surprises and there's some cool stuff. Starting with the MacBook Neo, the more downstream take is like, how is Apple affected by the AI boom? But let's start with the actual products because this thing in the video, it looks so small. It looks like an eight inch laptop. So this is the MacBook Neo sort of designed to compete with the Chromebook.

0:26Jordi Hays:it comes in at$599 not even just a Chromebook just all PCs yeah but I mean

0:34John Coogan:you're not gonna get this for like if you're in a professional work place go to a desktop with multiple monitors plug in you're doing like advanced work like this is for students this is for the low end and it is a personal computer yeah

0:49Jordi Hays:people that have an iPhone but don't have a Mac yeah because of costs Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now they can have an integrated suite.

0:59John Coogan:I love the launch video too. It's very weird when they start because it's just this like blank block and then they're adding features to it with CGI. It does a really good job. It's sort of anticlimactic because every feature they add is just like what you'd expect. Yeah, I was kind of like, oh, is this going to be a touchscreen? And then it's like, oh no, it's just a normal screen. It's like, oh, like guess what? It has a keyboard. Boom, mic drop. Oh, it has two USB-C ports. It is kind of cool that they put the headphone jack a little bit further down. And then they're like, check it out. You're never going to guess this.

1:31John Coogan:A camera, we put it on the computer.

1:33Jordi Hays:They're like, hey, we heard you liked having an iPad that you could attach a keyboard to. So we basically took an iPad and put a keyboard.

1:41John Coogan:But it's very cool how they like sort of expand the product, like show you, okay, there's the speaker. It's pretty big. It goes on the side. There's two of them. 13-inch display, 16-hour battery life. The price is the really crazy thing. So$599 for students, it's$100 cheaper. So$499, that is one of the cheapest Apple products they've ever made. I'm pretty sure the headphones cost more. The Apple AirPods Max cost like$500. Remarkably cheap. A18 Pro chip, 256 gigs or 512 of storage, four colors. They got it in ramp yellow. They call it citrus, but I think everyone's going to be -

2:17Jordi Hays:And it now costs the same amount as the entry-level iPhone 17E.

2:21John Coogan:Yeah. People are sort of like, ah, it's underpowered, but look at the price. This is crazy. The last time Apple had a product that was anywhere near this cheap was in 2014. So 12 years ago, they sold the MacBook Air for$8.99. And now they have this down at$4.99 or$5.99, which is remarkable. Really, really cheap. Cheap for 2026, cheap for an Apple product, even cheap when compared to other laptops. So this is sort of like their escape hatch, their pressure release valve. So they can actually increase the price on the other products more because if you're price sensitive, well, they have a product for you.

2:58John Coogan:And there was something similar that happened with the new suite of iPhones where the iPhone Pro Max was getting so big and the camera notch was so in your face and the phone was bigger and heavier and the battery life was great. It was very powerful. And a lot of people want that, but there were also a lot of people who were complaining, I just want a thinner phone. Well, then you have the iPhone Air and And there's going to be crazy trade-offs. You only get, I think, one camera. The battery life's not nearly as good. It lags. It lags. But for some people, if they're going to be complaining about all the features of the Pro Max, it's like, well, we got the Air for you.

3:30John Coogan:Stop complaining. And I think that's a lot of the strategy there. Other products they launched, MacBook Air with an M5 chip, MacBook Pro with an M5 Pro and M5 Max chip. How much memory did you wind up going with?

3:41Jordi Hays:48.

3:42John Coogan:48. Is that enough?

3:43Jordi Hays:I feel a little soft.

3:45John Coogan:Is that enough to pull up tweets and react to them on a live stream. It's up there. Time will start. Apparently you actually have been maxing out something like 32 gigs of RAM, which took me by surprise. I have not been memory constrained, but I do actually love the idea of getting the top end memory, which is the thing that constrains you on running LLMs locally. Is that correct, Tyler?

4:11Jordi Hays:Yeah, I mean, you can always, like, if you have a really good model, you can get around the memory thing, but then it gets super slow, because you're loading it in and out.

4:17John Coogan:Oh, okay, you're loading it in and out for every token that you're generating. Yeah, you need a lot of memory to run a model. Yeah, but so if I go with the 128 gig, the top-of-the-line chip, I should be able to inference a pretty smart model locally pretty reliably.

4:32Jordi Hays:I mean, it's also like, you can always just quantize the models down, and so you can actually run really frontier source models on pretty normal hardware now.

4:42John Coogan:I'm just purely thinking for doomsday prepping. The idea of you know how you have your library in case you're bored during the apocalypse you have your DVD collection You can watch all the movies from start That's the big one for you because you can be able to watch all of American cinema from the beginning

4:57Jordi Hays:I still don't think I'd actually watch you wouldn't do that.

5:00John Coogan:What would you be doing? Assuming that the internet's down this apocalyptic scenario. You can't scroll there's plenty of other things to do

5:05Jordi Hays:What would you do take a walk on the beach?

5:07John Coogan:What if you can't go outside because there's nuclear fallout everywhere? You're stuck in your bunker What are you doing whittling?

5:12Jordi Hays:do you get into whittling i actually used to love whittling as a kid called it what else do they

5:17John Coogan:launch in a world where computers keep going up in price it's kind of wild to see apple drop a 599 laptop says theo a phone priced not agree more fry says oh man they're gonna sell 5 billion of these things yeah this is this feels like more of a no-brainer for kids than an ipad for some reason i don't know if i'm just like old school and i'm like if it has a keyboard it's ipad ipads with

5:40Jordi Hays:kids just have really bad aesthetics. It does. A kid with an iPad, just zoning out. You get them a keyboard, they're locked in. But you get them there. I think there's something here. You're like, are they day trading?

5:51John Coogan:Yeah, they're doing something. I think there's something about, you know, typing on a keyboard that does lend itself to more creation and less consumption. Like the iPad is a media consumption device. That's where most people use it for. They're on Netflix, play a game, do something. There aren't that many people that are power users, but as soon as you get the keyboard, you're ready to type, you're ready to work. Hilarious chart from Andreessen Horowitz. Apple on CapEx? Nah, we're good. They looked at the standardized quarterly capital expenditure for Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta, and Apple.

6:24John Coogan:All of the four companies that are working on AI, Amazon obviously through AWS and Anthropic, Microsoft through OpenAI, Alphabet through Gemini, and Meta through MSL, They are all absolutely off to the races, going to the moon on CapEx, and Apple is down 19 % since 2015. Very, very funny. And it's just interesting that Apple has been so unaffected by AI costs, not just on the CapEx side, which is where every hyperscaler sort of had to say, yep, you know what? Our business is fundamentally different now. We are not the high margin cash flow generating business. We're going to draw down on that cash.

7:03John Coogan:We might be taking on some debt. Like, this is a big, different financial model. It's a very different financial model from years past. And buckle up. You're coming with us, shareholders. And the stocks have done well because a lot of shareholders have believed in the goal, believed in the value of AI, believed in the value of building compute infrastructure broadly. And they've been rewarded for it in most cases. But Apple's just sort of sat that out and said, hey, we're not going to train a foundation model. we're not going to build a whole bunch of compute infrastructure we're going to serve gemini we're going to serve gemini and we'll pay them what a billion dollars a year something like that yeah

7:38Jordi Hays:it's like yeah i mean this this year will be really interesting it'll be fascinating to see what the new siri actually looks like what it can really do we'll start to see that i think in q2 yes and then separately we're expecting new devices from open ai right oh yeah teasing the puck yeah whatever you want to call it yeah uh it'll be interesting to see if they can and kind of break the AI hardware curse that I feel like is kind of -

8:04John Coogan:Well, I wanted to think about that because I wonder if the story's over for some of those like cursed bad launches product. Like we saw Friend apparently has found a little niche, very controversial, but Humane has sold to HP. It seems like they're not working on that product anymore, the pin, the AI pin. But the Rabbit R1, I think his name's Jesse, you know, that product, there's something there where with enough iterations, I feel like that might sell well. There's still these niche applications that I think you could potentially, if you have a hardware team, you have the ability to sell something.

8:42John Coogan:It wasn't polished, the AI wasn't good enough. Well, the AI got better, you still have the supply chain. Maybe there's a way to cut through, but it probably needs to be a little bit more niche. Like everyone's gonna have one. Tyler, what do you think about hardware in the age of AI?

8:54Jordi Hays:I mean, I think the Mac Mini is like a good example of like AI hardware right now.

8:57John Coogan:Yeah, no, that's a great example. I wonder what, like how exposed the Gemini APIs will be in iOS because if you fully expose like Gemini Kit, like, you know, in iOS, just like you can call like a weather API or a maps API, like Uber exists because there was like a GPS API that you could just call within an iOS application with a couple lines of code. And you didn't have to like figure out where the user was because the iPhone just told you that as long as you clicked like, yeah, share my location with Uber. If you now get an app that has not just Apple's local LLMs that are sort of, you know, mediocre, but it can go and call Gemini and do a whole bunch of crazy stuff, you start running into like, will someone build an open cloth app or something?

9:52John Coogan:like how much of Apple's AI strategy will wind up being vended into the third-party ecosystem, which has served them so well for so long, they've sort of turned their back on it. They locked down Apple Vision Pro a little bit more, there was way less uptake there, and there's a ton of risk because if I develop like a free iOS app that then incurs like a ton of Gemini tokens and ton of charges, how do those get passed through, is Apple just biting the bullet on it, but there's something interesting there where turning app developers loose to build software that takes advantage not just of local LLM capabilities, but Gemini under the hood, and sort of wrap it up in a neat bow that is, you know, available to the consumer could be very cool.

10:39John Coogan:The big question that I had, so Apple's unaffected by capex costs, but they've also, with this release, been unaffected by memory costs and the Ram-mageddon. I get the strategy of Apple saying, look, we're good with Google handling the AI inference stuff. They have GCP, they have the TPU, they got Demis who's got a book written about him by Sebastian Maliby. Like DeepMind is great, we're working with them. CapEx, unaffected, I understand that. How are they not affected by memory prices? Ram-mageddon has come for us all. Apple always overcharges for RAM. If you went to build a computer or a phone or laptop or iPad equivalent, and you just went to retail, getting an extra 128 gigs of memory or a slight memory upgrade might cost you 30 bucks.

11:25John Coogan:In the Apple ecosystem, that's like$200. So Apple has built in this pricing buffer for a very, very long time. Many companies are dealing with Ramageddon this year. And some stats that are interesting. DRAM prices rose 172 % throughout 2025. DDR5 spot prices have quadrupled since September of 2025. TrendForce expects PC DRAM to roughly double in price just in Q1 of 2026, with LPDDR pricing seeing the steepest increases in history. So every wafer that's allocated to an HBM stack, a high bandwidth memory stack for an NVIDIA GPU, is literally a wafer denied to the the LPDDR5X module of a mid-range smartphone or consumer laptop SSD.

12:10John Coogan:So they are truly commodities. There's only so many of them, and they can only go to one place or the other. Apparently, OpenAI's Stargate initiative alone could consume up to 40 % of global DRAM output as it stands today. And this is the problem because there's only three major companies in the memory category. It's Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron. Together, they control 95 % of the global DRAM production.

12:35Jordi Hays:Remember, Micron has been trying to build a new facility in New York, and six people basically blocked it. The rumor is that it's like foreign funding actually trying to hold Micron up.

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12:48John Coogan:I mean, Micron has been very, they've been a huge beneficiary of AI margins and higher prices, so much so that they've actually reallocated all of their capacity to AI, and they pulled out of their consumer brand, which is called Crucial. So if you ever tried to build a gaming PC, you probably found Crucial Ballistics, which was like this very aggressively X Games branded like PC gamer DDR memory. Like the monster energy of RAM. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. No, it really is. Gamers will be rising up soon with monster energies in hand to take the RAM by force if they need to. I already see memes about this all the time.

13:29John Coogan:I see these like the worst AI slop video you've ever seen just absolute junk and the caption will be like so this is why I can't afford RAM You know or this is why RAM is$800 a stick or whatever and then on the flip side people will say You know occasionally there'll be a good AI slop video people be like okay It's worth paying$800 for RAM because this is so good right goes both ways it goes both ways But clearly people are feeling the the pinch. But Apple fans will be sitting out the fight thanks to a few key moves from Apple that helped them avoid disaster this year. So, one, Apple has long-term supply agreements that allow them to secure memory 12 to 24 months in advance.

14:10John Coogan:They also benefit from vertical integration and custom silicon. So instead of buying consumer-grade commodity DRAM modules that you see go into either gaming PCs or or NVIDIA GPUs, for example. They negotiate multi-year contracts directly with Samsung and SK Hynix for custom LPDDR packages that meet Apple's exact specifications. And so I think -

14:31Jordi Hays:Yeah, so this is like, RAM's always been cyclical. Yep. And so it makes a lot of sense for Apple to say, basically like lockup pricing, Samsung's locking up the demand. They, I don't even think Samsung would have predicted this level of demand even three, four years ago. Otherwise, they may not have priced it in the way that they did. Of course. The other thing that maybe you get to is...

14:55John Coogan:And Samsung's still making their default margin. They're just like, the opportunity cost is so high. We could reallocate.

15:01Jordi Hays:The other thing is they probably have so much margin in the upsell that they could have some margin compression still be...

15:10John Coogan:So Apple at various times has had over$100 billion in cash. They currently have over 66 billion in cash. Like they can take the hit there. They can also just take a hit to their margins.

15:20Jordi Hays:Every AI lab looking at that cash, being like, Tim, I could really put that to you right now.

15:26John Coogan:Yeah, they're the only hyperscaler that hasn't really shelled out to the tune of 10, 20, 30 billion into one of the frontier labs. My takeaway is like, this is an incredible testament to the operational prowess of Apple to pull this off at this scale. The Sony PlayStation 6 is allegedly going to be delayed until 2028 or 2029 because of rising memory costs. They're going to wait it out. Because there are three players, it's not just TSMC in this case, it does feel like there'll be more pricing competition and there's more of a race to build capacity. Whereas the TSMC, if they don't build the next fab, they can just continually raise prices and increase margins once the next contracts go up for renewal.

16:07John Coogan:Whereas if Samsung has a bunch of capacity and Micron doesn't, like Samsung wins and so there's more of this game theoretic like they got to they have to build Harrison says that quote we ran the math open AI is buying three to four times more memory than it could possibly need in the short term the most charitable explanation is aggressive forward positioning the less charitable one is that they're cornering the supply to kill on-device AI before it starts. Well, if the on-device AI happens on Apple products, that doesn't seem like that real of a scenario, but it is an interesting thesis. Across the frontier labs, everyone is just very AGI-pilled.

16:52John Coogan:They're seeing the increase in capabilities, but also the sort of like stacked exponentials. When you went from LLMs to reasoning, the number of tokens, the number compute required just to get a single answer when like you know TEDx all of a sudden and then we saw the same thing with coding agents where these long-running tasks are squaring the amount of compute and so you just keep stacking these things on and you just get more and more compute demand but you get more more economic output so it winds up being all worth it when will apple release the iPhone 18. Call she has before October at 35%, before 2027 at 34%.

17:35John Coogan:What is the chance that they don't release it this year? That would be probably zero, and I think it is zero.

17:42Jordi Hays:The FDC submitted a new semiconductor fab construction plan for the Southern Taiwan Science Park last week. The site is located on Tainan's Anding District, adjacent to the F-18 fab and covers 15.46 hectares they're doing more 2 nanometer production the

18:04John Coogan:leading edge with 8 hectares allocated for the production area and 1 hectare for administrative facilities the project is expected for completion and production start in 2028 says semi analysis so more importantly Wendy's

18:19Jordi Hays:US president posts new video amid burger battle with McDonald's and Burger King Let's see. Let's watch. Let's rate it. Okay, I like the way that he's holding it, you know?

18:29John Coogan:Okay, seems normal. Yeah. Wonderful.

18:32Jordi Hays:Kind of.

18:34John Coogan:That's a burger. This is good.

18:36Jordi Hays:I like talking about food in his mouth. Okay, yeah, going back for a second. You got to top it off with the fries and the frosty. He's saying burger. He's not saying product.

18:45John Coogan:Product. What did he do at the end there? He dips a french fry in the frosty? Whoa, okay.

18:52Jordi Hays:Okay, doesn't call it a product. No hesitation, talking with the food in his mouth.

18:58John Coogan:Yeah, yeah, that's bold.

18:59Jordi Hays:That's bold. Bold. I'm giving this an 8 out of 10.

19:02John Coogan:If you scroll down, I like Colonel Sanders after seeing this.

19:06Jordi Hays:Also the way he kind of puts the fry in and quickly kind of pulls the hand back. He's got style points.

19:14John Coogan:Dude, here's a good job if you're looking for a gig that will bring home the bacon. Apply for the job of CEO at McDonald's. Apparently the guy makes 18 million a year. It is funny that there's just like one after another of CEOs. This is probably good for all of them. I don't know. I want no jump cuts. Somebody should have seen swall - Somebody should be seen swallowing the food. Oh. Okay. People are analyzing -

19:40Jordi Hays:That's somewhat fair. We're analyzing the details. Altman defended OpenAI's Defense Department contract and in all hands yesterday calling the backlash, quote, really painful. This was an example of a complex, but the right decision with extremely difficult brand consequences and very negative PR for us in the short term, he told staff. I still stand by that given the events that have transpired in the world since last week, being there to like meet the government feels like being on the right path.

20:12John Coogan:It was just, yeah, it was just odd that Google strategy was to not say anything. do nothing win basically i would think or do nothing don't go up or down like uh gemini just

20:24Jordi Hays:but good but but i don't think gemini is involved in this contract it's yeah it's grok it's rock rock was the other one that that uh came in with the same term so gemini doesn't have any relation

20:36John Coogan:with the department of war i think they do i i think i i thought that there was a there was

20:40Jordi Hays:i might be i might be they might i just don't think they were involved in this contract negotiation

20:46John Coogan:OpenAI announced its Defense Department deal on Friday, hours after the Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth designated rival Anthropica supply chain risk. There's still a question as to whether or not that's going to go through. So Kalshi has it at a 42.8 % chance, and it hasn't really moved. I mean, I have to imagine that at this point, both the Department of War and Anthropica are talking to each other. Do you have more information?

21:09Jordi Hays:Yeah, Gemini does have deals with the DoD. Yeah, yeah. So there's the 200 million one that was in July. Yeah, that was, Anthropic was also in that one.

21:17John Coogan:Yeah.

21:18Jordi Hays:And then they did, there was the recent like genai.mail, but they're like involved in that too.

21:22John Coogan:Yeah, but I am, what I'm so shocked by is how does AWS have an advantage in 2026 on FedRAMP and like federal classified network? But I don't know, I guess, I guess AWS does have like a material advantage there still.

21:37Jordi Hays:Scott Bessett went on CNBC this morning and said no private company will ever dictate the terms of our national security. Anthropics attempts to push use clauses into their contracts with the United States government are unacceptable and their products will no longer be utilized by the U.S. Treasury or any other government agency. So doubling down there. There was also a story in Semaphore this morning from Reed. Anthropics investors don't have its back in its fight with the Pentagon.

22:03John Coogan:This is very interesting.

22:04Jordi Hays:Anthropics may be standing its ground against the Pentagon, but the AI powerhouse is doing so with a noticeably quiet quarter, its own high-profile backers. Despite the company's defiance, Silicon Valley's biggest players have remained silent. In a recent meeting between Amazon CEO Andy Jassy and Pete Hegseth, the issue of Anthropic came up, according to two people. Amazon has invested billions in the startup, a crucial part of Amazon's custom chip strategy as the largest consumer of the company's Tranium AI chips. And Hegseth has been threatening to designate Anthropic a supply chain risk, which would make it impossible for many of the military suppliers to do business with the company.

22:39Jordi Hays:Jassy demurred, declining to take Anthropik's side, the people said. He wasn't alone. Despite Anthropik CEO Dariomedes' very vocal opposition to the Pentagon's demands and rival OpenAI Sam Altman's running commentary on the matter, a number of Anthropik investors have remained silent. One investor told Semaphore that speaking up might further inflame things with the admin and that they were still holding out hope the issue could be resolved. And others said that Anthropik requested they say nothing. Anthropik and Amazon declined to comment.

23:05John Coogan:The most important thing here is that we get Pete Hegseth on Twitch. Amazon, Andy Jassy is sitting down with Pete Hegseth. Hegseth likes Twitter. He likes X. Get him live streaming those press conferences. Put him on Twitch. That's the goal here. Go direct. We got to talk about this. Me and Tyler are talking about just the general AI safety discourse on both sides. Always ends with people just saying, we got to talk about this.

23:34Jordi Hays:No one has any answer. We've got to figure this out, guys. We've got to talk to each other.

23:40John Coogan:No one's like, I have a clear plan. You might disagree with me, but this is my plan, and this is what we're going to do, and here are the steps. I think this gets us the good outcome. Everyone's just like, I don't know. It's very, very weird. Just from a comms perspective, it's very weird.

23:55Jordi Hays:I feel like that's how decisions get made in companies. If a decision is really obvious, you can handle it over text. If it's not, it's like, let's discuss live.

24:05John Coogan:Anyway, my portfolio every day at the opening bell looks like D-Day says, Human, this is an absolute disaster. It really is so crazy. I was trying to explain yesterday to a friend how the market, I was like, you're probably getting destroyed, right? And he was like, yeah, it's terrible. And I was like, well. Is this your retail investor friend? Yes, it might shock you to learn that the market overall is flat. Only down half a point. It's an absolute tale. Korean stocks are crashing. The Kospi Index, the Korea Stock Exchange, is down 10%. Korean stocks are crashing, says Joe Weisenthal. The South Korean stock market fell over 8 % and triggered a circuit breaker.

24:48John Coogan:Jim Cramer said, beware of South Koreans. Spill over to our markets, WDC, STX, SNDK, MU, all still vulnerable. So there's lots of companies that are at risk.

24:59Jordi Hays:Sudo says developers are cooked. I vibe coded a worse version of an existing product in four weeks with serious security costs.

25:07John Coogan:Yeah, it's a wild time. Be careful out there. There's new data on serious, serious traffic declines across tech publications. This is from Danny Crichton. says no discussion of tech media can get past this basic traffic fact in the AI world Google and social no longer refer traffic which means that the vast majority of readers just never find you in the first place this is of course a reaction to Trey Stevens proposal that uh but maybe that he should buy wired and it's unclear if he's just having fun but uh there's been there's been a there's been a call from the tech community like bring back the wired we read in the magazines as a kid.

25:49John Coogan:You know, it used to be so techno-optimistic. Now it's this hypercritical, maybe semi-political outlet. But what Danny is pointing to is that these publications have seen just in the last two years, since 2024, traffic declines of between 30 % and 97 % for digital trends. The interesting one there, I think it was, of course, Wired. In November of 2024, Wired was putting up 7.7 million views in traffic. Now it's down at 2.9.

26:24Jordi Hays:I wonder how much of this is due to AI overviews and Google search results now are more paid links than organic links. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of something happens and it just gets screenshotted and shared on X.

26:42John Coogan:That's pretty new.

26:42Jordi Hays:The screenshot, there's a hundred for each one of these publications, there's a hundred or a thousand people that will take whatever news and just make it more socially native. So I would imagine that the stories these companies are telling are getting a similar amount of impressions overall. That's just not happening.

27:02John Coogan:Potentially more because a lot of the stories that they write about, at least the ones that do scoops, are more interesting than ever.

27:09Jordi Hays:Well, we're not seeing a decline in VC podcast viewership.

27:14John Coogan:That's true.

27:15Jordi Hays:There are a number of VC podcasts that are racking up a million views for interviews with Series A or Series B founders. Very, very impressive numbers. There are some allegations. It's a white pill.

27:27John Coogan:A lot of people think that technology is niche. Some Series A founder that you haven't heard on, they can't attract a million people to sit down and watch them on Zoom talk about their business for an hour. But apparently they can. And many venture capital firms have showed us that it's possible. You do have to pay the people to watch. And the views might be a little low quality. But if you pay the viewers. And people won't comment. Yeah, they won't comment. That's an extra bill you've got to pay. And it's very unclear why they aren't buying comments. Because if you're buying the views, just buy the comments too.

28:00Jordi Hays:The reason is that they are running paid traffic on Meta at their own YouTube videos. Oh, is that what's going on? That is actually how they're getting the views. the meta ads as of a couple days ago were public so you can see them they're just like oh if you're on instagram you'll get an ad for a podcast and then people that was that was on meta i thought

28:19John Coogan:because and google because you can actually just run ads for your content on youtube and then you get people who are in youtube to click on that content now are they less likely to comment absolutely like the the example on the right is dwarf cash he got a million views and uh it had 4 ,700 comments. What else?

28:38Jordi Hays:Kyle Corbett says, is highlighting some news. The New York legislature is rapidly pushing through a 2025 bill that would prohibit LLMs from providing substantive legal analysis or advice in New York. It seems that LLMs could still provide substantive help to lawyers under this bill as written. Consumers, however, would be stuck with the chatbot refusing to answer their legal questions. So again, this just seems bad. The entire point of LLMs and AI is to give intelligence to anyone, right? Like the fact that an individual can get the equivalent of five hours of legal work in a single prompt by like uploading a contract is very good for consumers.

29:23Jordi Hays:I don't even know how bad it'll be for lawyers, especially given that at least right now, even if I could generate entire legal docs. I still want a lawyer to play a part in it. Again, Kyle Corbett says, I sold my company last year. GPT-5 Pro was at least as valuable in that negotiation as our attorneys who billed us$450 ,000.

29:43John Coogan:Things that were not on my bingo card. One, Anthropic marked as a US supply chain risk by the government, same as Huawei. Again, that hasn't actually happened, but it's predicted. Two, clog going viral across non-tech people as result number one on the app store three mass chat gpt cancellations thanks to open ai becoming the government ai supplier and prime agent says then they will release 5.4 everyone will say agi and forget all about the last week and this week that's why it's so fun to cover ai because

30:08Jordi Hays:everything changes every two weeks julian weiser uh interviewed a founder named ben sarah he's building a company called pulsia uh they've gotten to one and a half million of ar in two weeks with zero human teammates. Very, very cool progress. But Zareem says, why is the company named AI Slop backwards?

30:32John Coogan:Is that intentional? Is that a nod or do they just get lucky or unlucky?

30:36Jordi Hays:No, I think it's maybe a happy accident. That's so funny. Donald Trump is at a round table, I believe on the data center build out. And Donald Trump, according to Mike Isaac, wistfully at the tech round table, speaking about OpenAI's Brad Light Brad, so young. Look at how young.

30:58John Coogan:That's so funny. Brad Lightcap does look very youthful. He has aged very, very, very youthful. Also an absolute dog who's been on a generational run and done fantastic things throughout his career. That's a total record scratch freeze frame. Yep, that's me. Here's how I wound up at a White House roundtable with the president of the United States saying, so young. Look at how young. Thanks, Mike, for pointing that up.

31:28Jordi Hays:And a good place to close out the show, Brian Johnson walked at a fashion show at Paris Fashion Week. A Capital says, from immortal unk to runway unk. The only thing is, it kind of looks like a futuristic funeral.

31:44John Coogan:It does. He's looking jacked. That is true. He is looking very strong. This is some mass surveillance going on. They're surveilling his mass.

31:53Jordi Hays:We hope you have a wonderful evening. We'll be back tomorrow for a big show. Goodbye.

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