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Podcast Notes: TBPN - Diet TBPN: November 4, 2025
Overview This episode of TBPN is a condensed recap of the day's discussions, highlighting key moments and insights from the show. The episode covers various topics within the tech industry, venture capital, and AI implications, all while maintaining a light-hearted tone.
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Key Highlights
Sequoia Capital Leadership Changes
- New Management: Announcement of a new generation of leaders at Sequoia Capital, with references to Roloff's transition to racing cars, suggesting a dramatic shift in focus.
- Venture Capital Sentiment: Roloff's view that venture capital is "return-free risk" reflects skepticism within the investment community.
Anthropic's Growth Projections
- Financial Forecasts: Anthropic projects $70 billion in revenue by 2028 with a focus on cash flow positivity by 2027.
- Comparison with OpenAI: Discussed differences in spending and profitability timelines between Anthropic and OpenAI, highlighting Anthropic’s more conservative approach.
NVIDIA's Dominance
- Market Capitalization: NVIDIA's market cap is soaring, raising questions about sustainability and potential overvaluation.
- Cultural Signals: Historical references to NVIDIA’s growth cycles and the significance of public appearances by its CEO, Jensen Huang.
Job Displacement and AI
- Debate on AI’s Impact: Discussion on the potential job displacement caused by AI tools like ChatGPT, with varied opinions on its practical usage in the workforce.
- Corporate Efficiency Narratives: CEOs leveraging AI narratives to justify layoffs, showing a cultural shift in workforce management.
Market Movements
- Palantir's Earnings: Despite strong revenue growth, Palantir's stock declined, reflecting market volatility and investor sentiment challenges.
- Restaurant Sector Trends: Analysis of Chipotle and other food brands facing economic pressures, with Chipotle’s strategy to attract younger consumers now being questioned.
AI Race
US vs. China
- Comparative Analysis: The U.S. and China’s capabilities in AI development and implementation, with China showing advantages in societal transformation and technology spread.
- Optimism in AI in China: The public in China exhibits strong optimism regarding AI advancements.
Investment and Market Disruptions
- Michael Burry's Positions: Notable investment shifts, including Burry shorting stocks like Palantir and NVIDIA.
- Emerging Startups: Overview of Fruits, a snacking company that recently raised $150 million and is valued over $1 billion.
Cultural and Technological Insights
- Will.i.am’s New Class: Announcement of Will.i.am teaching about agentic AI, showcasing the intersection of entertainment and technology.
- Generative AI in Music: Introduction of AI-generated music reaching Billboard charts, highlighting a new frontier in the music industry.
Closing Remarks
- Future of Venture Capital: Discussions on the evolving landscape of venture capital with a focus on AI narratives and their implications across various sectors.
- Resilience in Market Shifts: The podcast concludes with reflections on adaptability and the continuous evolution of market dynamics influenced by technology.
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Conclusion The episode encapsulates a wide range of topics relevant to the tech and investment communities, from leadership changes in venture capital firms to the implications of AI on jobs and corporate strategies. Key insights regarding market trends and future projections highlight the ongoing transformations in the industry, underscoring the importance of adaptability in a rapidly changing landscape.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00We are live from Silicon Valley. We're hanging out with some absolute dogs. We have some breaking news out of Sequoia Capital. They have a new set of bosses, new top dogs. Top dog alert, a new generation of Sequoia stewards. I think Roloff probably just recently got into racing cars, and he's just like, I need to go full-time. I need to go all in on this. I found my real calling. Bro went out and said venture capital is return-free risk and then handed over the keys. The timing is interesting. Anthropic is the new king of AI API sales, boatload of new financials and projections below. Anthropic this summer hiked its most optimistic growth forecast by roughly 13 to 28 percent over the next three years and is projecting as much as$70 billion in revenue in 2028.
0:49Yeah, the notable thing here is they're projecting cash flow. Yeah, profitable in 2027. 17 billion in cash flow in 2028. Not something you see from AI players outside of NVIDIA. Remember the whole Dario idea of like each model individually is cash flow positive, but you keep having to scale up by 10x? To actually be cash flow positive at the company level, I have to imagine they would have to not do the next training. OpenAI's plan, spend 115 billion to then become profitable in 2030. Anthropik's plan is spent $6 billion to then become profitable in 2027. We'll be curious to see what works best.
1:29In 2019, people saying NVIDIA stock is extremely overvalued. This was pre the Ethereum pump, I believe. And NVIDIA's market cap was$100 billion. It was at$100 billion, then at$500 billion in 2021. And then in 2025, we now see that the market cap is$5 trillion. This was pretty surreal to see this image surface. I'm surprised Jensen did this and allowed himself to be photographed doing it. But this was June 4th, 2024. He was signing a woman's shirt at a conference. And NVIDIA is up 85%. Historically, these have been top signals. But here we are. Jensen has always been a rock star. It's not like he put on the jacket at the top.
2:18He was born in it. Korean fried chicken stocks were pumping. I am financially ruined, short-selling Korean fried chicken companies. I have lost everything, and I'm not sure how to continue. This week, I lost$472 ,000, short-selling Korean fried chicken companies. My idea was with the declining Korean population and the recent trend towards healthier eating and vegan diets, there is an opportunity here. Everything is gone. There's some debate over how impactful the ChatGPT launch has been on job displacement. We keep going back and forth on this. I mean, they certainly want it to get there, but that's not how people use it just yet.
2:58For the most part, it is like an IDE tool. I think something notable about when I think of the ChatGPT jobs, displacement, debate, and discourse, I look at our company, which is like, despite a bunch of new tools popping up, we still need to hire video editors. We still want to hire writers. There's a bunch of these different roles. This chart, to me, has always been about interest rates going through the roof. that that that's what it just happened to almost perfectly coincide with the chat gpt line if you look at the growth of the s &p 500 like almost all the growth is driven by ai if only there was some major event a year before that was important and affected interest rates and hiring trends and so there's like the the cultural trends around the what elon did at x that just kind of like woke a lot of CEOs up to this idea that they could run leaner.
3:56The interest rates is huge. If AI isn't displacing, but if CEOs think that AI is going to displace people or AI will be in five years, well, a lot of the reason why you hire someone isn't because you need the job done today. I think that every CEO, even if they don't have an AI narrative, wants an AI narrative. So if you have to do layoffs, why not say, hey, we're getting a bunch of efficiency out of AI tools, and that's why we're doing layoffs. Michael Burry has just filed his 13F 11 days early. He has never done this before. Massive put. He's going short Palantir and NVIDIA. I think in general, people continuously misunderstand the sort of like notional value versus the size of the actual portfolio.
4:39Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let Burry cook. I wonder if Burry wished he played himself in the big short so that all the meme, if he knew all the meme images would be shared hundreds, thousands of times a day. It's more on Palantir earnings. Q3, they did$1.18 billion of revenue, up 63 % year over year. $883 million of U.S. revenue, up 77 % year over year. 397 U.S. commercial revenue, up 121 % year over year. Beating like this, and then trading down 8 % the next day shows that the market's a little shaky. The Denver-based firm sells software to centralize, manage, and analyze large amounts of data. They're hiring high schoolers now.
5:19They're just like, college is pointless. We'll just hire you straight out of high school. This is rare enough to be highlighted. An actually good Financial Times article on the state of the AI race between the US and China, he put race in quotes. One, the fact that for a general purpose technology such as AI, long-term advantage often comes down to how widely and deeply technology spread across society. And China has advantages here, as the article notes, since they're unarguably better at orchestrating society-wide transformation, as that's all they've been doing for the past three decades. They got some reps in.
5:51The data point that I have not seen that I would like to see is actual consumption of AI. It's clear that they were able to catch up on creation of Frontier model with DeepSeek, but how much is actually getting implemented? This is extremely ironic as the U.S. effectively pushed China to develop models that are more efficient and open source, which turns out to be a better strategy for global diffusion. If you're a company in, say, Germany or Brazil, you can download Qwai or DeepSeek, run it locally, fine-tune it for your market, and never worry about API rate limits. But does that mean that you win?
6:25The article notes, the public in China is the most optimistic in the world about AI. NVIDIA is a$5 trillion company. Like, if they could sell to China, how much? Like, it's not like it's a$10 trillion company, is it? Is it that big of a deal? Like, how big is the China opportunity? It's the second largest computing market in the world. I don't know. Depends on how AGI-pilled you are, John. Tesla was selling into China as long as well, as long as it took for them to copy it. New York City is choosing between Mamdani and Cuomo. And Mamdani is at 95 % chance. Cuomo's at 5%. Up from around 90. You know, there's a lot of people out there saying, smart money's on Cuomo.
7:04Maybe he'll win. I think the degenerate money is on Cuomo. That's probably true. Monthly performance from Canva, Wingstop, Shake Shack, a bunch of other restaurants. Most of these restaurant stocks were trading at 35 to 100 times forward PE just recently. Many still are. This is just a bubble deflating. Bubbles can't be sustained indefinitely. Chipotle's big bet on younger consumers is unraveling. Uncertain US economy is catching up to younger Americans. Chain has spent years cultivating a younger clientele, pitching its burritos and bowls as nutritious protein-packed meals for gym bros and healthy eaters.
7:42What do you think, Ben? I used to get easily 90 % of my calories from Chipotle at certain times in my life. And anytime you were like on a long drive, knowing that at some point in the drive, you could pull over and have a nice, fresh, nutritious slop bowl. It was something to look forward to. Oh, it was amazing. Quality has degraded to such an extreme degree that I'd rather fast than eat Chipotle in almost any situation. Chipotle's expensive now. It's over$10. I sort of look back fondly on the days when Chipotle felt and was a luxury when I was like, okay, I have a huge bag of rice. Extra guac and extra meat was like, I am a king.
8:23Were you like a frozen chicken breast guy too? Yeah, for sure. Because I'd just be looking at the one pound bag of rice and the frozen chicken breast being like, again, we meet again. We meet again. Revenue is growing because they're opening new stores, but at existing stores, you see a lot less momentum. They got to go upmarket caviar bowls. Can I have Wagyu? A5 Wagyu bowl with double beluga on top. History was just made. Lux, family, company, and rural technology has just successfully flown the first ever fully autonomous fighter jet ever in U.S. history. It is a crazy looking jet. The mainstream narrative is that this was created by humans.
9:03Where are all these companies coming from? We're so back. Casey Hammer has been saying like, we're not making solar in America effectively. And here's this company that's just cooking, setting out 14 megawatts of solar panels in a single day. Martin Shkreli is forecasting that NVIDIA will get to 100 trillion in market cap. Even desk email jobs require human thought, but higher price jobs like legal, medical, finance can also be replaced by AI. This is a nightmare post for NVIDIA bears. Yeah, this is really... Can't make this stuff up. SpaceX Starship, 2.7 billion HLS contract cost includes docking adapter.
9:41NASA Lockheed Orion, 31.6 billion cost and counting 19 years in development. Docking is an extra 2.5 billion extra. The dock's going to be an extra two and a half. We're sorry. All this to be an AI note taker app number 87, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The question here is, is there a market for an AI note taker for the kind of people that Cluelly is really good at marketing to? I don't think it's possible for them to make a 10x better product than Otter and Granola. What are college students actually using? From what we've heard, the stack, if you want to cheat on your homework, what is the stack, Jordy?
10:23It's actually ChatGPT Atlas. Benchmark 2020 vintage fund marked at an AX. Tyler Hodge has the story. They're doing just fine. I think what Ev Randall should do, new GP over at Benchmark, is 10X that fund again. Do you need venture capital? Call Ev Randall at Benchmark. 1-800-Benchmark. Fruits raises$150 million to power the next wave of healthy snacking. Fruits has closed$150 million funding round, led by J.P. Morgan Asset Management with Ray Dalio doubling down. We gotta try some of these for sure. Valuing the Berry powerhouse at over$1 billion. The snacking company best known for its jumbo blueberries and new grab-and-go snack cups generated more than$400 million in revenue last year with blueberry sales.
11:08They gotta get an AI narrative here. Take a simple idea and take it seriously. And sometimes the simple idea is obscenely large blueberries. Will.i.am is in the news because he will be teaching a new class on agentic AI at Arizona State University. hearing how Will.i.am is using AI would be interesting. I am endlessly entertained by there's somebody who has a craft. Like you might not like his music. You might love his music, but clearly you know that he makes music. Like he has a process. He has a studio. Will.i.am was an early investor in Tesla, pre-Elon as CEO. OpenAI, Anthropic, Twitter, Pinterest, Dropbox, Hugging Face, Beats, and Runway.
11:49AI-generated song has entered a billboard radio chart for the first time. Zania Monet, created by a human Talisha Jones, who used Suno. Suno. Also signed a$3 million record deal a few weeks ago. Imagine just slopping it up and then all of a sudden you got the$3 million record deal. I would like to see an AI musician not share their real identity and a Satoshi of music. Not a pop star, but a slop star. If you want to log off, if you want to touch some grass, head over to Wander, find your happy place, book a Wander with inspiring views, hotel, great amenities, dreamy beds, top tier cleaning, 24 seven concierge services, vacation, but better.
12:27Like most of you guys, I didn't get into crypto to get rich. I got into crypto because I believed in the vision of 500 different stable coins issued by 500 different centralized institutions on 500 different blockchains. I do wonder what the stable result is. Like what is the final equilibrium? Is it just endless proliferation of new coins or is it a consolidation. You have Tether at 183 billion, USCC at 75 billion. The next largest is USDE at 9 billion. Below that is DAI. And then below that, below that is World Liberty Financial. I have this partially formed hypothesis that artist backlash against generative AI crystallized largely in response to text-driven user interfaces.
13:17The art world has come to accept tools like Photoshop and earlier photography itself that still shares the aesthetic of traditional art creation. If MidJourney, ChatGPT, Dali, et cetera, had interfaces along the lines of NVIDIA Canvas from 2020 pictured below, I remember this tool. It was awesome. You could draw whatever outline you wanted and it would just automatically generate it and it looked great. Palmer says, it would look enough like existing tools that the critique would look purist and elite. Art via command line, on the other hand, looks sufficiently other that you can easily berate the users as not artists.
14:02Service Titan at$9 billion market cap on 866 million of revenue. Comparing that to Harvey, which is$8 billion valuation on somewhere around 100 million of ARR. At this point, you have to believe that we're moving from a world of niche vertical SaaS to the next industrial revolution. You would not be able to underwrite Harvey like this against the existing legal AI market. This is a bet on labor displacement. Apparently, the 200 largest law firms in the world annually provide 130 billion of legal services. So that's the top 200. So Harvey's already sitting at, you know, basically there. We will be back in the Ultra Dome in Los Angeles.
14:44We'll see you then. Goodbye.
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