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8 Jan 2026 · 30 min · 15 chapters

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Podcast Summary: TBPN - Episode on xAI, Anthropic, and OpenAI Health

Podcast Details

  • Title: TBPN (Technology Brothers Podcast Network)
  • Hosts: John Coogan and Jordi Hays
  • Schedule: Live weekdays from 11 AM – 2 PM PST
  • Platforms: Available on X, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube

Episode Title

xAI Raises $20B, Anthropic’s $350B Valuation, OpenAI Launches ChatGPT Health

Episode Overview This episode covers the recent financial developments in the AI sector, focusing on xAI's significant fundraising, Anthropic's evaluation, and OpenAI’s launch of ChatGPT Health. The hosts delve into the implications of these moves on the tech landscape and the future of AI.

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Key Topics Discussed

xAI's $20 Billion Fundraising

  • Overview: xAI has successfully raised $20 billion after initial skepticism regarding its valuation and product viability.
  • Initial Rumors: Earlier reports suggested a target of $15 billion at a valuation of $230 billion. Doubts arose about xAI's consumer traction compared to competitors like OpenAI and Anthropic.
  • Grok: The AI product Grok, although hitting milestones, has faced controversy due to its outputs, leading to concerns over its use in consumer markets.

Anthropic’s Valuation

  • $350 Billion Valuation: Anthropic is reportedly raising $10 billion at this valuation, building on its prior momentum in the AI landscape.
  • Market Position: Discussion on how Anthropic's place in the market compares with other AI ventures, particularly in terms of funding and technology development.

OpenAI Launches ChatGPT Health

  • Introduction to ChatGPT Health: A new feature allowing users to connect their medical records and wellness apps for personalized support.
  • User Engagement: Daily health-related queries account for 20% of ChatGPT's total usage, indicating a strong user interest in health applications.
  • Future Directions: Questions arise regarding how ChatGPT Health will compete with existing telemedicine services and whether it will need to employ medical professionals.

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Insights and Key Takeaways

  • Elon Musk's Strategies: Musk's approach to melding various tech companies (XAI, SpaceX, Twitter, Tesla) is seen as both innovative and potentially problematic, raising questions about valuation and product functionality.
  • AI Market Dynamics:
  • The rapid adoption of AI technologies brings both benefits and challenges, including the risk of misuse and public perception issues.
  • The integration of AI into health services could reshape how individuals manage their well-being, but it raises concerns about data privacy and the quality of care.
  • Consumer AI Products:
  • Grok's issues highlight the challenges AI products face in managing user interactions and outputs.
  • A recurring theme is the balance of innovation versus ethical responsibility in AI development and deployment.

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Future Implications

  • Emergence of AI Mega-Corporations: The possibility of larger conglomerates forming around AI, incorporating various services and products.
  • Continued Innovation in AI Health Services: The potential for significant advancements in how AI can assist in personal healthcare and wellness management.
  • Regulatory Considerations: As AI technologies continue to evolve, regulatory frameworks will likely need to adapt to address ethical concerns and data privacy issues.

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Conclusion The episode presents a dynamic discussion on the current state of AI funding, product launches, and the broader implications for the industry. As companies like xAI and Anthropic secure substantial investments, the landscape is shifting rapidly, driven by both competition and innovation. The launch of ChatGPT Health shows a promising direction for integrating AI into personal health management, though it invites scrutiny regarding its implementation and ethical implications.

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XAI's $20B Fundraising Success

0:46 to 2:35

Discussion on XAI's recent $20 billion fundraising and its implications.

“XAI had accomplished a lot in a very short amount of time.”

Grok's Performance and Controversies

2:36 to 4:42

Analyzing Grok's functionality and the controversies surrounding its use.

“they didn't really have a breakout in consumer the way ChatGPT and Gemini did.”

Elon Musk's Corporate Strategy

4:43 to 6:41

Exploring Elon Musk's vision for an integrated tech ecosystem with XAI.

“And interestingly, that's almost twice the amount of money that SpaceX has raised in its entire history.”

Merging Tech Companies

6:42 to 7:30

A humorous speculation on the merger of Twitter, SpaceX, and XAI.

“No, they really painted this on the top of the data center.”

Future of Robots and AI

7:31 to 9:21

Discussion on Tesla's Optimus robot and its expected mass production.

“And so if he's planning to be selling 100 ,000 units this year of the Optimus, you would imagine that we were, we would have been like hearing about it and seeing some more demos and getting teased.”

AI Companions and Market Trends

9:22 to 10:29

Examining the emergence of AI companions and market implications.

“Do you think that post from Denny's on X earlier was maybe kind of - in response to seeing some of this Optimus news.”

Elon Musk's Impact on AI

10:30 to 13:20

Reflecting on Elon Musk's influence and comments on AI development.

“oh, and it's it's it's basically just taking the the grok video generator and Removing the background and then just putting it in some sort of holographic screen.”

Understanding AGI and Current Developments

13:21 to 14:00

Analyzing AGI concepts and recent announcements in AI research.

“I'm looking, yeah, I think I'm in some kind of...”

Exploring Arc AGI Versions and Their Capabilities

14:01 to 15:10

Discussion on the various versions of Arc AGI and their fluid intelligence tests.

“Arc AGI 1 is a minimal test of fluid intelligence.”

Game Development Trends and AI's Role

15:11 to 16:37

Analyzing the intersection of AI and game development, including addictive gameplay risks.

“And ARK AGI V3 will probe interactive reasoning.”
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Psychosis and AI: A Unique Perspective

16:38 to 19:29

Exploration of how LLMs can engage with people experiencing psychosis.

“I think LLMs mostly just have a lot to offer to people experiencing regular psychosis.”

The Impact of Rapid Technology Adoption

19:30 to 25:11

Discussing the dual nature of rapid technology adoption and its societal effects.

“Other side of that, drunk January, potentially underrated.”

Challenges of Modern Smart Home Tech

25:12 to 28:00

Insights into the frustrations of using modern smart home technologies.

“Yeah, I think there's an opportunity to make a beautiful, modern, ultra-analog system for the home.”

The Future of AI Models

28:00 to 28:38

Discuss how future AI models are likely to improve and their implications.

“you're going to have a bad time because the models will just get better.”

Legal Applications of LLMs

28:38 to 29:11

Explore the potential for using LLMs in legal work and implications for client privilege.

“People are using LLMs to do legal work now.”
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0:01Speaking of AI adoption, is anyone adopting XAI? Certainly investors are because they have 20 billion dollars in the bank now seriously we talked about it yesterday but I wanted to reflect on it because there were rumors that they weren't gonna get this one done these were just rumors yeah but when you looked at XAI's traction relative to their valuation at the time they were they were looking for a a greater valuation than anthropic yeah and yet the enterprise adoption certainly didn't justify it by itself yeah yeah yeah there were there were are lots of weird questions. The rumor back in November, The Wall Street Journal reported that XAI was out raising$15 billion in new equity at a$230 billion valuation.

0:46And people were skeptical. XAI had accomplished a lot in a very short amount of time. No one would argue with that. They definitely caught up. The benchmarks were good. The data centers were massive and they were being completed in record time. That's what Elon's really, really good at. But there was a big question about the product and where it was going. It had some useful hooks and some extremely controversial hallucinations, right? But in general, I did find myself using Grok, certainly monthly, probably weekly. In the last 48 hours, Grok has gone a little bit off the rails. Not the first time.

1:17But the thing is you have millions of people that are trying to manipulate it into doing things. It does have guardrails, but Grok's challenge is that you can ask it to create images. Yep. And certainly, yeah, again, some of these images have been pretty wild and have gotten deleted pretty quickly. But it is a fully automated system. And I believe if any other lab had a bot that was doing this, it would be happening in all the other labs, right? So this is a thing that I don't think it's a Grok problem as much as it is just the nature of the product experience, which is you can just prompt it via comments, and it's all public.

1:56and it actually gets, it's just crazy to see a lab posting images like that from their own official account. If we had sat down and done like prediction, what lab's going to be in hot water for controversial AI content in January, we both would have agreed OpenAI adult mode. It's coming out, they teased it, we just said it was coming out. And then we get this and it makes whatever erotica is going to come out of OpenAI is probably not going to be as controversial as what's happening with Grok right now, right? Sure. Part of the reason these images are especially controversial is because it's being shared from the official Grok account.

2:30Even though Grok and XAI hit a bunch of interesting milestones, did a bunch of great stuff, they didn't really have a breakout in consumer the way ChatGPT and Gemini did. And they weren't making waves with developers the way Cloud Code or Cursor were either. And all of that made the rumors of a struggle to raise more believable. I think a lot of people believe that maybe this raise wouldn't happen. but once there were rumors that they get rolled into SpaceX, you get SpaceX stock, that there would be some sort of other thing, and just Elon going to make a play, then it would get done. Instead, you know, we are going to be endlessly entertained by the assembly of the ever larger Elon Inc.

3:08megacorp, in my opinion. XAI winning the AI race feels like the wrong framing here. I like Dan Wong's formulation of the AI future versus the AI race. There's not some definite point in the future where, oh, like the consumer chatbot race is over. It's like you can always build a business and figure out how to grow and scale. And the same thing might be true on the API side and on the cloud side. And that might wind up just being a economic equation. And if you have the cheapest possible energy from space, maybe in the future, it could make sense. Even if you're not in the most frontier model, there's some interesting thing there.

3:49There's certainly plenty of bull cases. throwing out$420 per share for a theoretical take private of Tesla, then getting sued by the SEC, and then blowing past that price is still one of the most entertaining corporate finance sagas in tech history. So in 2018, when Elon pitched the funding secured take private, I think we've sort of forgotten because a lot of our audience doesn't think in stock prices, like the scale of that, of like what he was trying to do at that time. So at that time, Tesla was worth$64 billion and he was proposing to take it private at$71 billion. It's worth 1.44 trillion today.

4:28So the stock is up 22X since that take private thing. The most entertaining outcome of this fundraise was clearly that XAI would get the deal done and they did that. And they upsized the route because they got 20 billion when they were rumored to be raising 15 in Series A funding. And interestingly, that's almost twice the amount of money that SpaceX has raised in its entire history. Lifetime. So SpaceX has done 31 funding rounds. A lot of those have been secondary transactions. But 31 funding rounds to raise$12 billion. XAI just goes out and raises$20 in one round. And so the question, is XAI overvalued?

5:06Well, what's the most entertaining outcome? Clearly, that would be the Elon, Inc. megacorp forming. SpaceX acquires XAI before going public, which is easier to do than rolling it into Tesla, which is public and would face a bunch of scrutiny. And that gives us a very entertaining situation. Just think about Twitter, which launched in 2006, being owned by SpaceX, founded in 2002. Being able to own Twitter and SpaceX in a single ticker. Hilarious, hilarious. It's just the most entertaining outcome. If you went back in time, even in 2010, 2012, even just a few years ago, and you were like, What if Twitter and SpaceX merged?

5:43What are you talking about? Lay off the ayahuasca, buddy. Seriously. But then the question's like, is there going to be the big merger? SpaceX with XAI and Twitter tucked in, plus Tesla. If you create some efficiency too, Elon would only need one badge, right? Oh, true. Which could... Huge productivity boost. Yeah, huge productivity. He probably has to have a full-time badge guy. So you have AI chip design, which is done at Tesla, running models trained by XAI, deployed on Starlink satellites, launched on SpaceX rockets. Rock running in, optimists, robots. Yeah, the stock chart will be as entertaining as the hallucinations that happen along the way, was my conclusion.

6:20Elon Musk says that XAI will have more AI compute than everyone else combined in less than five years. And he's building MacroHard, which now has a Santa Claus. That is a bold statement. He certainly has, you know, marshaled a lot of the capital. He doesn't have all of it. He's not as much of a capital sponge as Sam Altman at this moment. This is an actual satellite image, correct? Yes. No, they really painted this on the top of the data center. I appreciate that about Elon and companies where they're trying to move so quickly and the entire ethos is around ruthless efficiency. And yet they still think it's worth the time to paint the ceiling of the data center so that you can see it from space.

7:00XAI has also bought a third building called Macro Harder. will take... Is this a typo? I mean, it's all a joke on Microsoft, obviously. And we'll take XAI training compute to almost 2 gigawatts. And Grok responding, impressive expansion. 2 gigawatt will supercharge our quest for understanding the universe. Good news, the mass production audit for Tesla's Optimus V3 has been completed and seven Chinese companies have been finalized as core suppliers. operating as tier one partners these firms will manufacture critical components and support key assembly processes the supply chain is geared to kickstart mass production in q1 2026 targeting a capacity of 50 000 to 100 000 units by the end of the year does this mean butler ready robots with some sort of intelligence we have not seen will be ready by then and again it's like uh i imagine elon would be excited about doing like some type of like shock and awe announcement but at the same time, I feel like he also likes teasing stuff and like pretty far in advance.

8:07And so if he's planning to be selling 100 ,000 units this year of the Optimus, you would imagine that we were, we would have been like hearing about it and seeing some more demos and getting teased. But yeah, it still feels like we need some type of like meaningful breakthrough before these are going to be, maybe there's 100 ,000 people that have absolutely printed on Tesla. They're just They're just like, I'll just buy one. I'm just ride or die. But that's a big, big number, especially when you're talking about, I expect these to cost somewhere in the range of what, 50 ,000 to 50 ,000 plus. I was listening to George Hatz talk about the Optimus robot and he was setting timelines further out.

8:51He was sort of saying like the humanoid robot thing will happen more like in a decade, but he was saying that it's a great project for Tesla because you can put the optimists in all their showrooms, and those are really big draws for people. You go in, you see the robot, even if it's on some pre-scheduled, hard-coded routine. It's doing a choreographed dance, or it's teleoperated. Whatever it is, it's a great, awe-inspiring thing to just pull you into the random Tesla showroom. But there's only 300 Tesla showrooms. Do you think that post from Denny's on X earlier was maybe kind of - in response to seeing some of this Optimus news.

9:30You think so? What did he say? They said the trough is open, piggies. What? Maybe this is teasing that they're gonna get some Optimus's, you know. It seems like it's teasing an AI generated vertical video feed from Denny's. You gotta get in the social network from Spain's. Having a fast food restaurant make a short form video app and it's just AI slop of their food. That'd be really good. Activation you could probably build that. I mean, we're supposed to be going into the Timu Sass era, or Shein, fast fashion for Sass is what Sam Altman called it. And so you would think that someone at Denny's could vibe code a vertical video app in a weekend and deploy it as a prank.

10:09So Sass is going fast fashion. Maybe fast fashion needs to go. Fast food. Find Sass. What else? We have a post here of the Razer Aka. This is powered by Grok. No way. Here we go. Looks like it can directly see what's on your monitor and respond to what you're doing sort of a Tamagotchi oh, and it's it's it's basically just taking the the grok video generator and Removing the background and then just putting it in some sort of holographic screen. This is interesting I personally would not pick this character, but There's something about I would pick playing counter-strike and having Tyler and CS coach there if we could get Tyler put me in the things and just bring a mini Tyler that's very black mirror put them in the snow globe wasn't that one of the black mirror episodes snow globe yeah I can see them selling a lot of these how much do you think this is good for the world 2.6 is calling it the goon cylinder ridiculous the goon tube so there's razor Ava project Ava you're all in one AI companion from planning your day to analyzing spreadsheets and game starts Project Ava.

11:24They're like, co-pilot? No thanks. Leverages AI inferencing and reasoning that dynamically evolves based on your personal interactions. Select your 5.5 inch companion from an expanding library of characters, from eSports legends to custom anime and spider razor designs. Nick Dobo says they are going to make a billion dollars, LMAO. This makes me want to touch grass personally. Yeah. This would be cool as almost a, it's like the, on the Apple Vision Pro, When you FaceTime someone, it has like the 3D rendering of their face. If you could like, when you're FaceTiming someone, they're just in the tube.

11:55Back to Elon Musk, he was texting Sam Altman two years ago on February 18th, 2023. Sam says, I remember seeing you in a TV interview a long time ago, maybe 60 minutes, it was 60 minutes about SpaceX, where you were being attacked by some guys and you said they were your heroes, they were heroes of yours and it was really tough. This was a NASA astronaut who said that SpaceX would not work. need to check in on that guy. Wellness check. And Sam goes on to say, well, you're my hero and that's what it feels like when you attack OpenAI. Totally get that we have some screwed up stuff. But we have worked incredibly hard to do the right thing and I think we have ensured that neither Google nor anyone else is on a path to have unilateral control over AGI, which I believe we both think is critical.

12:43I am tremendously thankful for everything you've done to help. I don't think OpenAI would have happened without you. And it really effing hurts when you publicly attack OpenAI. And Elon says, I hear you. And it's certainly not my intention to be hurtful, for which I apologize. But the fate of civilization is at stake. Well, next time someone is suing you and very mad at you. Copy-paste this. Copy-paste this. Tell them you're their hero. Yep. And maybe it gets you a little ground. Anthropica is raising$10 billion at$350 billion. Woo! $50 billion. I mean, I've heard the$350 number for like... A while.

13:16a while, so I don't think this is really brand new. Okay, that's exciting. Are you chasing a slug? I'm looking, yeah, I think I'm in some kind of... Triple layer SPV? There's like four or five. Quadruple layers. You're in the fifth layer. Deploy clog code. If you're wondering whether saturating Arc AGI 1 or 2 means we have AGI now, I refer you to what I said when we launched Arc AGI 2 last year, which is also the same thing I said when we announced Arc AGI 2 was coming in spring of 2022 before the rise of LLM chatbots. The Arc AGI series is not an AGI threshold. It's not even a goalpost. I don't even know if we need to move it.

13:54Why is it called that? Why is it called Arc AGI? It is a compass that points the research community towards the right questions. Arc AGI 1 is a minimal test of fluid intelligence. To pass it, you need to show non-zero fluid intelligence. This required AI to move past the classic deep learning. Should I just disassemble the goalpost? Disassemble the goalposts. The LLM paradigm of pre-training, scaling, and static models at inference toward test time adaptation. The camera moves are wild today. I love it. ArcGII is the same, but with tasks that probe deeper levels of reasoning complexity, particularly with regard to concept composition.

14:32Still, these are tasks that are solvable in minutes by regular people with no external tool use. We hired our test takers off the street. Imagine just walking down the street and somebody, Hey, come take ArcGIV 2. That sounds fun. So it does not represent the upper bound of what human fluid intelligence can achieve, say, solving a millennium problem. ArcGIV 3 launching March, 2026. I thought it was already out. Was that a preview that we played with? Because I remember we put you on this task, Tyler. We made you. Yeah, I think they were still adding new, like, games. Because I only played, I think there were just three.

15:06Well, now we have the answer. It hasn't launched yet. So March, mark your calendars, folks. ARK AGI V3 launches then. And ARK AGI V3 will probe interactive reasoning. We evaluate how systems explore unknown environments, model them, set their own goals, and plan and execute toward these goals autonomously without instructions. We have also started to work on ARK AGI V4 and V. Two more sequels. You thought it was a trilogy. I mean, nightmare scenario for everybody. It's a cinematic universe, folks. It's not just a trilogy. There's going to be a whole saga. Sholto says he spent a week over Christmas making an RTS.

15:43Yeah. And his Twitter algo has fully switched into game dev Twitter. It's incredibly wholesome. People are making some insane things. In particular, image to mesh models mean some indie devs have created absurd production quality. And he shares some examples. Yeah. Where are the AI risk people on this? Because what if he creates a game that's so addictive that all of humanity just plays his vibe-coded RTS endlessly? It's going to be nothing wholesome about that. Ceases to go outside. It's the true wireheading scenario. And if Sholto's not taking this seriously, I want answers. This is the wellness checks I do on you.

16:16Sometimes I'll call you late. John, just, how are you doing, buddy? You called me last night. I was literally in bed. Yeah, yeah, I called you last night. Hey, just checking in on you, buddy. You're not playing video games, are you? Fortunately. Not, I'm off the sauce. Mark's safe. Back on the wagon. Doing dry January. Dry January. Off the sauce. Colin Frazier says, I don't really believe in LLM psychosis. I think LLMs mostly just have a lot to offer to people experiencing regular psychosis. This is an interesting take, and I could see this being actually what's happening, right? Typically, if somebody's suffering from any type of psychosis, they start going to talk to people.

16:56People can kind of walk them off a ledge or kind of like talk them through the situation, help them get help, et cetera. but an LLM's just like, I love yapping. Let's yap forever. Let's go down every possible rabbit hole. Let me validate some of your... I had a friend in high school that was going through this and he thought that deers were like... Gang stalking him? Yes, actually. And so he started telling... Did he ever get to the bottom of that? He started talking with people about that and they were like, let's figure this out. Let's go hunting. He's back. he's fully recovered. I feel like a deer hunting trip would be actually the correct thing to do in that scenario.

17:38Just reclaim the authority and then you know who's in the driver's seat. Yeah, they might be stalking me, but they should not be. The whole house is just deers that had the heads that mounted trophies or whatever. That might be the cure. It might be a cure to male loneliness, all sorts of things, deer hunting trip. This is an interesting thing. There is a natural problem that sort of happens when a new technology gets adopted very quickly which is you get all the good and all the bad. So if you just look at iPhone penetration it went from or smartphone penetration it went from zero in 2006 to 100 % in 2015 or something and basically everyone had a smartphone and so you get all the top CEOs and brilliant people and scientists are using them and and you get all that and that's good.

18:29And doctors are using them to text their patients and you get all the good, but then also all the crazy people are using them. And everyone who's doing crime is using them for crime. And so you get the good and the bad because you just got everyone. And so you really need to look at the - Or if grocery stores didn't exist and they suddenly were everywhere, you'd see videos every day of people going insane in grocery stores and people would be like, well, our grocery stores - Making people insane. People go insane, right? They'd be like, we're seeing all this video, where there's all this evidence that people are going insane and acting insane in grocery stores, it must be that the grocery stores are causing it.

19:02So you have to look at the prior weight. So what's the base level of psychosis in society? What's the incidence of psychosis with LLMs? Is it higher? Then you have a problem. I had this pulled up. I kept seeing it and laughing at it over the last two minutes. So if I was cracking up at the wrong time, this was why. skooks has been using gemini as a calorie tracking app oh i didn't even see that another beer i just thought he just went to gemini and said another beer and it's just funny that you see the little thinking thing and it's like thinking about how to process that that alone was funny just imagining imagining the chat just another beer another beer another beer 15 beers another beer yeah you know a lot of people are doing dry January.

19:50Other side of that, drunk January, potentially underrated. Everyone says if you can do dry January. That's the real contrarian move. Yeah, you prove to everyone, oh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you know, in the, in the pocket of big alcohol. I'm not, I'm not boosting the alcohol stocks. But if you can do drunk January, drunk the whole time, hold it together, and then go back to normal life, that's potentially even more willpower, potentially. I don't know. There's, so, so I saw, I saw a picture yesterday. Apparently, there's a college uh a female college basketball player whose last name is beers and so on her jersey it says beers it says the number 15 or number so it's like a jersey that just says 15 beers on the back that's great the uh the the the alcohol economy is suffering by the way this is in the journal here's to unloved booze stocks uh the five-year total return through 2025 for the s p S &P 500 is 96%.

20:48If you just bought the S &P 500, you're up. You doubled your money in five years. Not bad. Everyone else is down in the alcohol industry. AB InBev not doing that bad. They're only down 4 % over the last five years. But Heineken down 21%. Diageo down 38%. Pernod Ricard down 50%. Remy down 75%. Boston Beer, the backbone of Boston, is down 80 % over the last five years. So the chances are way higher that you celebrated New Year's Eve with an adult beverage than by smoking a joint, says the Wall Street Journal. I don't understand this. But the popularity of cannabis, along with the effects of drugs like a Zempic and rising awareness of alcohol health risks, have investors in the sector worried.

21:36An equal weighted basket of 11 global alcoholic beverage producers has lost a third of its value in the past five years, including dividends. Dry January might be an odd time to think about alcohol's appeal, but it's often a good month to snap up unloved stocks that other investors dumped toward the end of the previous year. In a market with few bargains, booze looks interesting, says the journal. Nikita responded to your post. Yeah, I want to go in. Yesterday, he said the point of CES is maximalist futurism. It's all concept art to show. If things keep going in this direction, this is how the world should work.

22:13Once you understand it as a museum exhibit and not in any way commercial products, it becomes more enjoyable. That's a good take. Ray showed me. Thanks, Nikita. I liked it. No, no, this was a very interesting thing. And I think we were sort of. He also responded. The next thing is crazy. Apparently, this is a Zoom face station. what this is actually meant so i think if you put this on in a crowded coffee shop you can talk hear and see and no one can hear or see what you're doing i think if you put this on in a coffee shop you're getting tacked like not today it really does look like you're it looks like a special forces uh rebreather unit a scuba diving unit that'd be tight if you could wear if if it It was, you know, if you could spend like 20 minutes underwater with something like this.

23:04People are not fans of this. Tyler says the first X hardware product right there. The problem is that I think people still associate CES with like, this stuff's going to work its way into my life. Jason Freed went hard on smart homes. Oh, yeah. He called it the big regression. My folks are in town visiting us for a couple months. We rented them a house nearby. It's new construction. No one has lived in it yet. It's amped up with state-of-the-art systems, the ones with touchscreens of various sizes, IoT appliances, and interfaces that try too hard. And it's terrible. What a regression. The lights are powered by Control 4 and require a demo to understand how to use the switches, understands which ones control what, and to be sure not to hit that one because it'll turn off all the lights in the house when you didn't mean to.

23:52Worse, the TV is the latest Samsung, which has a baffling UI just to watch CNN. My parents aren't idiots, but definitely feel like they're missing something obvious. They aren't. TVs have simply gotten worse. You don't turn them on anymore. You boot them up. Malay dishwasher is hidden flush with the counters. That part is fine, but here's what isn't. It wouldn't even operate the first time without connecting it to an app. This meant another call to the house manager to have them install an app they didn't know they needed either. An app to clean some peanut butter off a plate. For serious. Worse.

24:22Thermostats. Nest would have been an upgrade, but these other proprietary ones from some other company trying to be Nest-like or baffling. Round touchscreens that take you into a dark labyrinth of options just to be sure it's set to 68. Or is it 68 now? Or is that what we want it at, but it's at 72? Worse. The alarm system is essentially a 10-inch iPad bolted to the wall that has the weather forecast on it, and it's bright. I'm sure there's ways to turn that off, but then the screen would be so barren that it would just be filled with the news instead. Why can't the alarm panel just be an alarm panel?

24:55Worse. And the lag. Lag everywhere. Everything feels a beat or two behind. Everything lag is the giveaway that the system is working too hard for too little. And he says, now, look, I'm no Luddite, but this experience is close to conversion therapy. Tech can make things better, but I simply can't see it in these cases. Yeah, I think there's an opportunity to make a beautiful, modern, ultra-analog system for the home. But we've seen this in cars, too. A lot of the new higher-end vehicles that are coming out are actually like analog. Yeah, they're like people like buttons. I feel like it's just a barbell.

25:30Like if Apple made your thermostat, it would be good. Otherwise, I don't want any screens. We have some breaking news. There is a new tab in the ChatGPT app. That's right. Greg Bachman. Adult mode. No. Health. ChatGPT health is now live. Fiji gave some amazing stats here with more than 40 million people globally turning to ChatGPT every day for health questions. 20 % of all the queries are health related. So yeah, the question here is how quickly does ChatGPT Health try to do the other things that Doctronic is doing? Doctronic is actually trying to be an AI doctor. He talked about being able to effectively be a doctor, write prescriptions in Utah, going to fight to expand that.

26:21The question will be from a strategic standpoint, how they have their own doctors on staff as well. They're operating a telemedicine business, and I'm sure they do referrals out. It's hard to see OpenAI ever employing doctors themselves, but they probably would try to build a network around it. So we'll see where this goes, but it's going to be an exciting space to watch. So they say today they're launching ChatGPT Health, a dedicated private space for health conversations where you can easily and securely connect your medical records and wellness apps like Apple Health, Function Health, and Peloton.

26:56One of my big pushbacks against the Quest Lab wrappers is that they haven't historically been very enduring. So you go and do them, and then a few years later, the product's sort of degraded, and then you're like, oh, well, I have six different, like, amazing web UIs for my health records. But if I keep importing them to ChatGPT, I feel like I'll have an account on there for a very long time because it's an enduring company. Makes a ton of sense. This allows ChatGPT to offer more relevant personalized support, like when you're preparing for a doctor's appointment or looking for guidance on a meal plan or exercise routine that fits your needs.

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27:29That's very cool. ChatGPT Health is another step towards turning ChatGPT into a personal super assistant that can help support you with information and tools to achieve your goals across any part of your life. We're starting at the very beginning of this journey, but I'm excited to get these tools into more hands, says Fiji Simo. You can sign up to request access. Interesting. They're not just rolling it out. Yeah, one of my big questions for this year is like, there's always been this narrative of like, if you build a wrapper that depends on the models not getting better, you're going to have a bad time because the models will just get better.

28:04So if your thing is, oh, it can't do long context windows or it can't answer in pages and pages and pages, well, the models are going to get better and they're going to do that. Or they're going to do better math. So don't build the math wrapper that's just a little bit better. But if you're building something that's unique and special and off in the side and doesn't really depend on that, maybe you're good for a long time. But obviously CHPT has matured a lot and they are going after certain verticals. And I wonder if we'll see one of the foundation labs go after legal since they're already going after code so effectively.

28:35And people are definitely... That would be interesting. And they're making money there. So it's a big pool of opportunity. Yeah. And I wonder if people could make... People are using LLMs to do legal work now. For sure. But they're just on these standard subscriptions. You can imagine a lot of companies would pay$100 a month for kind of a more robust version. And Sam's talked about this, where your conversations with ChatGPT are definitely admissible in court. And so it's like a Google search. It's not like talking to your lawyer. So if you go to ChatGPT and you ask, how do I do crime? ChatGPT, client privilege.

29:10You don't have client privilege. But maybe there could be a tab where you sign up for some specific plan, and you are getting legal advice effectively. And it is attorney-client privilege in some ways. And we will see you tomorrow. Leave us five stars on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Subscribe to the newsletter, tbp.com. And we will see you tomorrow. Goodbye. Cheers, folks. We love you.

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