How to ACTUALLY Grow Your Video Business in 2026

30 Jul 2026 · 1 h 9 min · 25 chapters

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In short

How talented videographers lose money and stay stuck—framed as “12 mistakes” to fix to grow a video business in 2026. The episode emphasizes content marketing (BTS), spec work, client follow-up, niching, discovery-call qualification (budget/usage), and pricing/deliverables.

Guests

Two hosts, “Coase” and “Kostas” (referred to as “two guys” with a decade of brand content creation). They share personal mistakes and lessons from their own production/business experience.

Key claims

  1. Don’t just post finished work—document BTS to create more “at-bats” and attract hires.
  2. Brands won’t trust you without proof of concept; spec work is the fastest fix.
  3. Follow up with past clients and past “no” prospects; referrals and boomerang relationships drive warm leads.
  4. Specialize/position clearly; multiple niches require separate pages/IGs.
  5. Discovery calls must cover budget, usage/licensing, and scope; ask line-item questions to price accurately.
  6. Charge beyond shoot day when pre-production exists; upsell deliverables (cutdowns/stills).
  7. Define revision limits to avoid endless rounds.

Notable examples

A BTS-driven hire of a product photographer; spec-work advice using “inanimate object” shoots; a Coachella/NFT example where a client sent an example video far beyond their $5k budget; a luxury apartment shoot where usage/licensing changed pricing; a near-10k job where the client tried to cut price again; a story about a 6-month, ~40-version revision cycle.

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Chapters

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Mistake #1: Lack of Behind-the-Scenes Content

0:59 to 2:49

Understand the importance of creating BTS content for better client engagement.

“at least thousands of dollars on the table.”

Connecting with Potential Clients

2:50 to 4:25

Learn how showing personality through BTS can attract future clients.

“I can't remember what person made that video and then it just took off.”

Mistake #2: Not Creating Enough Spec Work

4:26 to 6:47

Discover the value of producing spec work to build your portfolio and attract clients.

“Something that you can do to make this really easy on yourself if you're maybe not working with the highest budgets, you can just set your phone up on a tripod.”

Leveraging Spec Projects for Success

6:48 to 8:23

Learn how to invest in spec projects and collaborate with skilled professionals.

“I love that piece of advice that you've given.”

The Importance of Planning in Videography

8:24 to 11:11

Understand how preparation and planning can elevate your video projects.

“you should always want to hire people that are a little better than you.”

Harnessing Creativity in Spec Work

11:12 to 14:00

Explore the freedom that spec projects offer in unleashing your creativity.

“There's no preparation that goes into it.”

Embracing Creative Freedom in Video Production

14:00 to 14:55

Learn how to embrace creative freedom and take ownership of your projects.

“But you have to just be okay with that and understand that your director's cut is where you're going to actually get to play or have a spec project.”

Fast-Tracking Spec Projects

14:56 to 18:19

Understand how to simplify and expedite your spec project process.

“And I just remember this because I was talking to a buddy of mine who he was telling me about this idea that he had.”

The Power of Follow-Ups

18:20 to 23:01

Discover effective strategies for reconnecting with past clients and maximizing referrals.

“If you can, you should leverage past work that you've done or recent work that you've done in the follow-up or the outreach again.”

Specializing in Your Niche

23:02 to 25:53

Learn why specializing in a niche can enhance your video business profitability.

“How they have their stuff priced on the shelves.”
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Effective Discovery Calls

25:54 to 28:01

Master the key questions to ask during discovery calls to ensure project success.

“But I'll give you a few really good ones right this second.”

Understanding Client Budgets

28:01 to 29:25

Learn how to break down a project into detailed cost estimates to better understand client budgets.

“Oh, the number one most important one is what is your budget?”

Educating Clients on Production Costs

29:25 to 31:30

Discover the importance of educating clients about the true costs involved in video production.

“We're going to buy the new, the new, uh, FX5 drip, new drip.”

Qualifying Potential Clients

31:30 to 34:05

Understand the significance of vetting clients and recognizing red flags during discussions.

“What I want you guys to remember is that you're vetting the client just as much as they're vetting you.”

Evaluating Job Worth and Pricing

34:05 to 37:36

Learn to assess the value of jobs and maintain pricing integrity while negotiating with clients.

“So we did this job like just under 10 K and it was fine.”

Pre-Production and Day Rates

37:36 to 40:05

Explore the components involved in pricing your work beyond just the shoot day.

“Like if you guys aren't shooting on that day, send some emails or make a piece of content, like utilize your time productively.”

Upselling and Deliverables Strategy

40:05 to 42:01

Discover effective upselling techniques to increase your deliverables and overall project value.

“So if they come to you for one thing, the great thing about owning a business, if you do, if you also, if you go buy anything, you're always being upsold something.”

Maximizing Client Budgets Through Upselling

42:01 to 45:52

Learn strategies to upsell video packages effectively by understanding client needs.

“It becomes a little bit, you know, a little bit stressful with like talent and whatnot and sharing them with stills.”

Managing Client Revisions Effectively

45:53 to 50:28

Discover best practices for defining revision limits to avoid project delays.

“Number nine, dude, Dude, save their lives.”

Establishing Clear Communication with Clients

50:29 to 56:01

Understand the importance of good feedback and how to guide clients in giving it.

“You just play this weird game of, you know, especially young brands that have never worked with creative partners before, they have no idea.”

Building Relationships with Agencies

56:01 to 58:00

Learn the importance of connecting with decision-makers in agencies for better opportunities.

“It just like, it messes my circadian dude.”

Financial Management for Freelancers

58:01 to 1:00:22

Understand the significance of saving for taxes and organizing your finances as a freelancer.

“like, not that obviously I knew you had to pay taxes.”

Upcoming Events and Workshops

1:00:23 to 1:01:43

Discover exciting workshops and resources to enhance your videography skills.

“And if you've been an OG 505 listener, you know that this one was really going back to the core roots.”

Camera Gear and Preferences

1:01:44 to 1:08:27

Explore discussions on camera gear, preferences, and the challenges of switching between video and photography.

“But I was also thinking I'm more inclined because I think the FX3 is so good.”

World Cup and Apartment Hunting

1:08:28 to 1:09:20

Engage in light-hearted banter about the World Cup and personal life updates regarding apartment hunting.

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Transcript

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0:00Most videographers aren't struggling because their work isn't good enough. They're struggling because they're making small mistakes that quietly cost them thousands of dollars. In this episode, we're breaking down the 12 things that keep talented videographers underpaid, overlooked, and stuck at the same level for years. And take it from two guys who have spent the last decade creating content for brands, this is the episode we wish we could have listened to at the start of our careers. We've actually made all these mistakes ourselves, and fixing even one could completely change your business.

0:25Let's get into the episode. Real quick before we get into this episode, I want to let you know about an awesome live workshop that Coase and I are hosting on August 3rd at 5.30 p.m. PST. So if you're seeing this, you're likely a videographer, you're looking to make more money with your video business, and I cannot wait to show you how to pitch and price so you can go after those bigger clients. It's gonna be a ton of fun, and we're gonna be teaching for about an hour, hour and a half, and then we're gonna be opening it up to a Q &A. If you like the podcast, it's gonna be just like this, on steroids for two straight hours with Kostas and I.

0:54There's only a couple of days left, so don't miss out. Go click that top link, and I know we'll see you there. Let's go. 12 mistakes that videographers make at least thousands of dollars on the table. But before we get into that, we got to do the one-hitting crack. You ready? It just didn't have the punch. It was the softest one I've ever done, but it didn't spill. Because you haven't been going to the gym all that much. It's because it didn't spill, though. A lot of condensation. No dents, though. Like, kind of faulted my way through it. Yeah. 6 '2". Dude. Yeah. 6 '2". Cheers. Welcome back, huh?

1:26The first mistake is that you're not practicing your one-handed crack enough. So you're clearly not going to get more clients. You're not getting more gigs. Yeah. The number one thing in the very beginning is you don't film anything. So you don't have any content to get you more clients. Exactly. You finish the job and then you only got one video to post and you don't have a social presence really. So the one video gets a hundred views or 200 views and then you're kind of stuck. You don't have anything else to repurpose with maybe you get one or two more little baby pieces out of it but that's it i look back when i was first starting out i don't have a ton of bts content regardless of how big the shoot is i don't have any content really with um me with gear me filming me shooting i didn't document the process nearly as much as I should have.

2:21And now today, whenever we go on a shoot, honestly, one of the first things we think about is bringing on a BTS shooter because of how important we understand the content of you shooting. Yes, the actual work that you make is super important, but the BTS content is just as valuable in today's day and age because it gives you more at-bats to post your work and you working on social media. Dude, don't post your work. Post you working, man. Dude, don't love your job. Drop your love. I can't remember what person made that video and then it just took off. It just went viral. Like, and it's funny. It's funny because that's how I find a lot of people that I hire.

3:02I see like BTS stuff of them working and I'm like, fantastic. There's another person that I can add into my little Rolodex. And it's not just for clients themselves. No, it's for people that could hire you. People that can hire you. I don't know if you saw this email. I'm going to blank on the guy's name who reached out to us. But we got an email from someone who listens to the show or follows us on social media. And he's an incredible product photographer. So I went to his Instagram or I went to his website first, saw his work is phenomenal. Then I went to his Instagram and I watched a few of his like day in the life vlogs or behind the scenes content of him on set.

3:39And so then I can see that he's a normal dude, has a good personality. personality and on top of his work being great, I can see through the BTS content and him showing up on camera, showing his personality, showing his process of how he shoots. I actually took the time to respond to the email and I'm going to make a note to say next time I have a need for a product photographer or a food photographer specifically, he's someone I'm for sure going to hit up. If I just see their work, yes, the work is very important. But being able to see how this person is, how they are on set, and just the process of them working, for me, makes me more inclined to want to reach out to them and hire them for a future shoot.

4:24I think so too, without a doubt. Something that you can do to make this really easy on yourself if you're maybe not working with the highest budgets, you can just set your phone up on a tripod. Yeah, it's not like you have to even have a specific BTS person. get yourself a phone tripod and your phone and shoot behind the scenes content of you you know on a on a tech scout or a location scout um setting up the gear talking to clients talking to your team all that stuff is super valuable assets that you can use later on without a doubt videographer mistake number two is not making enough spec work i wish we could tattoo spec work on your arm this honestly probably should have been number one it should we should have put it is number one because everyone complains that they're not getting jobs, that their work isn't up to the standard to which they can actually create.

5:15The answer to 99 % of your problems is to just go make something with the tools that you have at your disposal. When I was first starting out, I, for whatever reason, thought I needed to be hired in order to go pick up my camera. The concept of a spec shoot, for whatever reason, didn't really cross my mind and it didn't make sense to me. For whatever reason, it didn't make sense for me to go out and just invest in myself and make a spec piece. And I kind of did it without really knowing I was doing a spec shoot. I would kind of just like film stuff with friends, whatever, for fun. But it wasn't something that I took really seriously.

5:58It wasn't something where I was like, this is the concept. I'm going to either hit up friends and ask for favors of like models or a director or an AC or a gaffer, whatever it may be. I didn't take it super seriously. It was like, oh, let's go film some stuff for fun. And maybe it's something I can use for my website. Or maybe it's just something I won't use in the future. But if I could give myself like the single biggest piece of advice when I was first starting out is create a concept, figure out what you want to shoot, who are the brands that you want to go after, study their content and go out, invest in yourself and make something that looks similar to that.

6:38Because we've said it a million times on the podcast, you have to make the work you want to be hired for. Without a doubt, go out, you don't need to be paid to go do it. Just make something really cool with your buddies. Or if you don't have friends. Yeah, what happens if you don't have friends then you make it of like a an inanimate object headphones yes chair tech dude you know okay i got a hack you ready yeah buy the stuff on amazon shoot the stuff return the stuff you don't even have to have money you see what we just did there yeah don't even have to have money we just buy it return it and then film it you know for the spots that we do with nike this is funny the nike swim stuff that we do nike swim doesn't make like the tops right sure so we go get the stuff from the nike store and then we go return it after and then they're like what'd you do this for i'm like it was actually first shoot for you guys none of it fit yeah none of it worked changed my mind it was all kids stuff i'm like it was a kids campaign but yeah you can do that too something that you've said before that I absolutely love is if you do have the funds to invest in a spec project hire someone who is a seasoned vet at a specific thing whether it's a director or a gaffer or if you want to direct hire a seasoned DP because you can learn so much from someone who's already been the game and you really you don't know what you don't know you know what I'm saying.

8:06I love that piece of advice that you've given. Like if you do have a budget to spend, hit up someone whose work you really like and have it be a paid job for them. And then you know that it's going to come out fire because they're really good at what they do. Without a doubt. I think that's a that's a huge hack. And just as you're growing a video business in general, you should always want to hire people that are a little better than you. Yeah. Because it just makes the overall product that much better. And you'll be able to leverage it to then go get more jobs and you can hire them again to help you out.

8:41That is, it's that part. It's if you don't have the work, it doesn't matter how much outreach you're doing, relationships you have. Brands need to see proof of concept. And if you don't have proof of concept, that should be your number one priority is you need at least one thing on your website or a Dropbox folder or a frame IO link of a proof of concept that you can do what you say you can do. Let me, let me tell you guys something. Okay. I remember back when I was in school, when I graduated, I started a little mini production company. Okay. And we moved to Bali. We were like, we're going to make a killing out here.

9:25We're going to make so much goddamn money. We're going to live our dreams. I'm going to be spending rupiah making USD, dude. That was the goal. Okay. Read before our work week one time. We do one job for a company in the US. It was like 10 grand, which was like a million dollars to me at the time. And then we moved out there and I had this like little lump sum of cash. But that was like the only video that was like product D and it sucked ass. It was horrific. It was really bad that we could then go leverage. Everything else is sports. So unless you're a sports brand and you saw the stuff, you'd be like, oh, that's dope.

9:57But like, we're not going after, I'm not going after the, you know, the, the Lakers at the time. I'm not like pitching the Lakers to go work for them. I'm like, I would have been an employee, you know? So I had to get real with myself and be like, okay, all the people who are working on the jobs that I want to work on, they're a couple of years ahead of me with gear, access to gear, with access to equipment, with team, with just overall knowledge of how to make something beautiful. And I think you got to reverse engineer it, what I would highly recommend doing is go download a commercial from YouTube or Vimeo or whatever the heck it may be and go shot by shot and write down everything that's going on.

10:35Okay, there's a shadow on the right side of the face. So I have an idea that a light's coming in from the left side. Okay, the camera's pushing in. They probably have a slider or a dolly or something. What could I do on a low budget? Maybe I get my tripod and I throw a blanket under it and I slide it on my on on a hardwood floor. Okay, I got a little makeshift slider. Like what are the things that you can do for the budget that you have allocated or whatever you have at your disposal to still make something cool and make it feel a little bit more elevated by having actual planned stuff? That's the difference.

11:06Okay, when you're young, and you start out, most people just show up. And then your stuff looks like shit. And then you wonder why it looks like shit. It's because it's not planned. There's no preparation that goes into it. Like most of the bigger commercials, you're getting paid to go there, you know, a week before and look at how high the ceilings are. Where can you put lights? How much power can the house pull out? Where can we put our truck or whatever the heck the thing may be? So it's just like those little details make all the stuff so much better. And then on top of that, everyone's a specialist.

11:34So at auto just gets way better because you're not thinking about, Oh, where do I set the tripod up? You're just delegating. I want the camera here. I want it to be on the 18 mil. I want the light to kind of come in from here and then your awesome crew make the vision happen. Yeah. With spec work, it doesn't matter where you're at in your career. Yes. I was talking to someone in the DMs yesterday and they're a concert photographer and they told me that they want to work with brands and make actual brand work. And I asked them, okay, well, have you made a spec? You good? Yeah. I was just double dipping over your dog.

12:08Come on. That one was even double. That was a double. I was talking to someone in the DMs and they're a concert photographer. Their whole portfolio is concert photography, but they told me they want to start working with brands. So I asked them, have you made a spec work or have you made a spec ad? And they said, no. And I go, you're not going to be able to shoot for brands with a concert photography portfolio. You can get hired as a concert photographer more because you have the portfolio. An artist will see your portfolio and know that they can trust you because you have proof of concept, but a brand won't trust you.

12:46There's too much on the line for a brand to take a risk on you if you don't have proof of concept. So there's that, right? There's if you want to, if you're just starting out or you want to transition into another niche, that's one thing. But then you take someone like Zachary Guy, who he is an incredible DP. He's shooting for some of the largest brands in the world. He is still taking time out of his day and his resources. to go make spec work because he understands how powerful a spec piece can be. He told us that he has been hired specifically because a brand saw a spec piece that he made and they said, we want to basically make a spot that looks and feels exactly like the one that you made.

13:32I'm going to get real with you guys. 98 % of the time, the project will not be, if it's paid and you're being paid to do it, what it originally was supposed to be. Yes. It just won't. There's too many cooks in the kitchen. It's just a reality of it. And I think as someone who like I sling creativity for a living, that's what I do, right? It never turns out how we wanted it to in our heads most of the time, just because there's five other people that have to okay it and they have a different idea of what it should look like than you do. And that's fine. But you have to just be okay with that and understand that your director's cut is where you're going to actually get to play or have a spec project.

14:10if you do that, no one can tell you what to do. And that's the most fun. You just get to do whatever the heck you want. And you got to realize that you're being paid to do it. Like you're being paid to make the thing like what they want in their eyes, not what you want in your eyes. Rox, I got a flag on the play. What's going on? This one's big. Okay. Artlist's new MCP is now inside of Claude, which is really crazy because that means you basically have a connector from Artlist to Claude. So you never have to leave the platform. So I can prompt, I can make stuff and it'll automatically go to my Artlist account.

14:39So I never have to leave the platform. I can just keep rolling with whatever I'm doing. And if you have a free account, you can still generate images. All you have to do is copy the URL, add it as a custom connector, authorize it, and you're good to go. Artlist continues to change the game. They've been a big helper of this podcast. So go check them out. They're linked in the description. Let's keep going. Last piece of advice I'll give on a spec piece. And I just remember this because I was talking to a buddy of mine who he was telling me about this idea that he had. He goes, yeah, but it's, he basically was telling me, man I want to get more work I'm not exactly sure how to do that and we started talking about spec spec ads and he started sharing me this concept that he had but he goes but it's really difficult because there's all these different locations I go dude I got to be honest with you you're making this like so much more difficult than it needs to be the idea that you have is going to cause you to delay having this final product by months because there's so many different obstacles that you're bringing into play when it really shouldn't be like that.

15:41If you're looking to land new work very fast, a few weeks, you need to be able to pull off this spec shoot in a week or two weeks. So if you're listening to this and maybe you have an idea for a spec shoot, but it's this crazy idea, maybe it's in your best interest to scale it back a little bit and just get out practice make something so that you have something to be able to send to these brands without a doubt videographer mistake number three i want to venmo by the way today from you guys that go that go and make money i'll just take five bucks okay it's not reaching back out to old clients yes okay you do a job with them and then you don't do another one you're doing one-offs you got to hit them back up and say hey what's going on how you been send them an old piece of work send them an uber eats gift card like open up the conversation again so that way you know you'd be shocked at how many times like we call them boomerangs like how many times people will boomerang back or you ask them for a referral once you do a really good job for them don't hit them up out of the blue and be like hey, you got any friends that we can work with?

16:50Don't do that. But hit them up after you crush the job in very high likelihood that they know other business owner friends because birds of a feather flock together. They're going to have other business owner friends and they'll be able to refer you to people and then you can make more money and maybe even give them a little discount for helping you out. Not only should you reach back out to old clients that you have worked with before, but you should also reach out to old potential clients that told you no in the past or that it wasn't the right time. Because a no right now does not mean a no forever.

17:24And I oftentimes think you are leaving money on the table and potentially a new client or a new, you know, a new land job. Is that how you say it? A new landed job or a new landed gig? Because you're not reaching out to a client that you have some sort of connection with. it doesn't hurt to at least reach out. I saw a clip of Ryan Serhant talking about the follow-up. Follow-up till you die. Yes, follow-up till you die. But he goes, you should never say, hey, I'm just following up or I'm just checking in. He goes, you're following up with value. So for real estate, it's a market update or a comp.

18:07So for videographers or photographers, if you just finished a really dope piece of work or whether it's a spec piece or a paid job if you just shot something that you're really proud of or it's just a new piece of work that you think is really good use that as the reason for reaching out say hey how you been I know it's been a while since we last talked I just want to send you through this new video that we did or this new set of photos for this campaign that I shot would still love to to talk about potentially working together instead of just saying, hey, how you been? Should we work together?

18:44If you can, you should leverage past work that you've done or recent work that you've done in the follow-up or the outreach again. Videographer mistake number four, not asking for referrals. Dude, closed mouths don't get fed. Okay, end of the job. Okay, I'm going to tell you how to do this. Job ends. We crush it. They're like, we love this. Then you say, Mike, by the way, you know we're always trying to grow we loved working with you guys do you happen to have any friends that also own businesses like this i'd love to help them out too and if if you do and i sign with them i'm happy to give you your next month for like 500 bucks off like make there's some sort of incentive there so they are more inclined to actually refer you to somebody you don't have to do that i think though that it makes i think it makes people happy because you know they're doing you a favor you're doing them a favor you're making good stuff for them and they know that their friends are going to get, you know, really high quality content.

19:37If you think about it in your industry, in your niche, us as creatives, do we know other creatives? Yeah. If someone was to come to you and ask, hey, Brayden, do you know someone that can shoot this type of stuff? You guys are mainly in, you know, sports, but I'm looking for a wedding photographer. Do you know of someone? That's them asking you for a referral or a mutual connection of some sort. So if you flip it around, the person that you just shot for most likely knows somebody else in the same industry. For what I do in hospitality, it is such a small community. Marketing managers, no marketing managers and marketing directors or other people that work in hotels.

20:28So, of course, if you're doing good work for them, I would bet that they're more inclined than not to refer you to a mutual connection that they have that could potentially also use your work. 100%. And those referrals are, you know, how you can kind of keep track of knowing like, okay, we got three, three people in the pipeline and they're warm. It's so much easier to close someone off a referral than it is a completely cold person. The sales cycle takes so much longer. So when you have that, hey, like, I don't know about you guys, but if I need a service provider of any kind and I ask a friend and they send it to me, I don't vet them at all.

21:08Yeah. I'm like auto. This is my guy. Yeah. This is my guy. This is my girl. Like this is who I'm working with. I'm, oh, I need an editor. And this person sends me the editor. Like I'm just like, I take your word for it for all the, all the people. And I'm assuming you guys do the exact same thing. So that's what I will say. I will say with that, it will for sure grow your business. If you do that, if like, if you just rely on like every single month, getting new people, you're going to set yourself in this fucking revolving door of shit. And it's not a fun game to play, you know? So don't be afraid to ask for referrals.

21:38Ask for it, dude. number five is not specializing or niching down oh i know the generalists out there are just like oh i can't do that but brayden i'm gonna leave so much money and opportunity on the table if i niche down you're working with the all the generalist group do you know where the big bucks are at where specialist dog if you have the specialists if you drive a ferrari dude do you want to go to a general mechanic or do you want to go to a mechanic that specializes on ferrari I'm going to the Ferrari mechanic. And are they going to be able to charge more being a specialist mechanic for a Ferrari than a generalist?

22:15110%. Well, there you go. And it works the same for videographers. You know, it's funny going back to your car analogy. A lot of people in LA that I know that have really nice cars, they like they'll go get them wrapped or they'll go get some like bullshit work done on them, whatever, like exhaust. Every time they tag the shop of who does it, it's like luxury blank, luxury auto dealer. Like if they have a G-Wagon, it's like luxury, you know, body shop and definitely charge more than Joe Schmo's body shop down the street who deals with vehicles after a crash. It's just like it's a different level of service, you know, and you can think about this by where you sit in the market.

22:51It applies to anything. Like seriously, it goes to anything. Grocery stores. You can think about the budget option. You can think about the most expensive option. How they sit in the market. The clientele that goes to them. How they have their stuff priced on the shelves. Yeah. It's just, it's shake and bake, man. You can also take the example of if I want to go eat sushi or a really good steak. Do you want to go to a conveyor belt sushi? No. No. But I also, I don't want to go to a restaurant that serves burgers, sushi, and pasta. No. I want to go, if I'm going to go get the best steak or the best sushi, I'm going to Nobu or Boa Steakhouse.

23:40Boom. It's got steakhouse in the name. Exactly. They specialize in a certain cuisine and you should think about that as well as a videographer. And I can already hear people saying - I can already hear the bitching and the moaning. But I have jobs that I'm getting in this niche and then this niche as well. Like I have this, I'm making money doing weddings and then corporate videos. And then also, I'm also working with a gym. It's all good. We're not saying that you need to only shoot one type of niche. Or fire those people. You don't need to do that either. You don't need to let go or fire clients.

24:20What we're saying though is how you position yourself online, you don't need to be posting everything that you shoot. And if you do shoot multiple niches, you should have different website pages that clearly just show that specific niche and separate Instagram pages as well. Because we've said it a million times. I'm getting married next year. I'm looking at wedding photographers and videographers. Love them. I don't want to hire someone who has shot a wedding here and there, but then they also shoot corporate videos and then they also shoot something else. I want to shoot someone who weekend and week out shoots weddings.

25:05And that's just what it is. 100%. You also, if you're starting a video agency, I can already hear the tears in the comments happening right now. You got to think that like production companies have different directors that specialize in different shit. If a car company came to you, they're not going to send the food person. They're going to send their car lineup of directors. Oh, these five. This is the people that do the cars really well. They're not going to go give an opportunity to the person to say, oh, I do fashion. It's like, well, that's not the same shit. So you really need to think about which one of these things do you want to play in?

25:42What's making good money? What's doing stuff consistently? And then go and play out in that area. So number six, videographer mistake number six is not asking enough questions on the discovery call. And okay, if you're listening right now, the top link in the description is the six questions to ask on a discovery call. But I'll give you a few really good ones right this second. Okay. Number one is usage. I didn't used to ask about this in the beginning because I didn't even know what usage was. But usage is the terms as to which where they can put this content and how it's going to be how it's going to be used.

26:11Right. So some people might just say, hey, this is for organic only. And you're not charging them like an additional fee. but if they're going to rent it as paid and they're going to go make a bunch of money off your stuff you can throw in an additional fee in there and you can make a little bit more money if they're going to rent it as paid the other stuff could be if you're a photographer are they going to put it up on a huge billboard and rent it for a month or for a year is it going to be in store out of home then you can charge a little bit more for all this stuff and you get your rate your rate's going to be way higher for the usage than it is to actually shoot the stuff yeah you know i'll give you a perfect example i love a perfect example i got hit up last week about shooting photos for a luxury apartment complex that just renovated their amenities.

26:53Okay. So going back to tip number five, I'm probably not going to post that stuff on my website or my Instagram because it doesn't fall under luxury hospitality. I see. However, I can have a separate page on my website of luxury apartments because similar but different. And luxury. Yes. So that's one thing. The other thing is I asked about usage. I go, is this just for organic stuff or are you going to be using this, you know, in paid advertising, website, emails, and they say everything. I go, okay, great. So licensing comes into play. If it was just organic. More money. If it was just organic, I would really just, you know, pay or I would really just charge for everything that goes into, you know, pre-production, shooting it and then editing and delivering it.

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27:49If it is being run as ads or living on their website or emails or, you know, even in magazines or something, licensing comes into play there. More questions to ask. Well, you actually forgot about the most important. Oh, the number one most important one is what is your budget? OK, I can't tell you. OK, We coach creatives, right? We do that a few times a year. It's called the DCA, Dream Client Accelerator. It's actually getting ready to open up here in a few weeks. But the number one question that I ask people, they always are like, hey, what do I charge for this? Yes. The golden question we get.

28:20We get it a hundred times a session. We talk to our buddy, Caleb. Caleb, did it, dude? Caleb's like, what should I charge for this? What should I charge for this? What did they, how much money did they say that they have to spend? Okay. The tricky part about this is you're sitting there thinking, well, I genuinely don't know. And what you need to get in the habit of doing is breaking down jobs into line itemized bids and estimates. So you think about, okay, I'm going to go shoot this luxury hotel. Great. Well, I have my day rate. I'm going to have an assistant. I'm going to have a gaffer. I'm going to have a grip.

28:54You start to write out all these different little line items. We're going to have an equipment rental. Maybe we have to get a truck. Maybe you have to get new lights. Like you have to rent new lights because you don't have super high powerful lights that are in your kit. You're not renting out your stuff for that. Is the camera, can you use your own camera? Do you need to rent something like an Alexa mini or, you know, Alexa 35, whatever the heck the thing may be. Then you start to tack on all this stuff. You have your insurance 2.2 % and then you have your production fee anywhere from like 10 to 20%.

29:19So then you get to this magic number of, okay, instead of in my head, this was three grand or something. Now it's 10 grand or 15 or 30, whatever the heck that thing may be. and you can't just start free balling out of your ass like oh it's going to be 10 grand you have to have an idea as to what these projects cost because i've made this mistake before i've done jobs where i've set a number i've been like this is going to be 10 grand thinking wow that's so much money it goes so fast and it's not profit like whenever you're tossing out numbers in your head you're thinking like oh i'm gonna make 35 000 on this like you're not making 35 straight to the bank account you're gonna make you're gonna make seven or eight and then you start thinking about all this stuff that you do.

29:57We're going to buy that Ronin. We're going to buy the new, the new, uh, FX5 drip, new drip. We're going to go to a Kith. It, it just adds up really quickly. So you need to get in the habit of understanding to ask for examples as well, because the last thing you want to do, I think I've told this story like a really long time ago, but I was pitching a job for Coachella. They were doing like an event and it was for an NFT company, rip NFTs. And I had done this job for like 35 K like a month before. And so this client's telling me, well, we have five grand for this. And I was like, I don't really want to drive out to Coachella for that and stay over the weekend.

30:29It's just like not enough. And he's like, I want to show you the video that we did there, the example. This is how we want it to look. And I was like, that's hilarious. Cause I did that video and it was a lot more. And they were like, oh fuck. Okay. We're so sorry. Like, you know, we, we can't afford you guys and we didn't end up doing it, but it's really good to understand. Cause I just educated them. I was like, you shouldn't send this to people. Like you guys aren't gonna be able to pull that off for five grand. There's, you're gonna get a kid with a camera to show up a single shooter editor maybe two people at max and that's your job though to educate so if they have an example and they send you spielberg's real you're like i can't do this dude this was a hundred million dollars we're like you know that happens a lot where you'll see a video that gets sent to you and they're like oh we love this nike video it's like yeah i fucking bet you like the nike video because it was expensive and it's the sickest athlete known to mankind and they're on a cool set that was probably 50 70 500 grand to make this set.

31:22That's why it's cool. It's not just cool because the editor is good at what they do. It's all the little things together that makes the magic. What I want you guys to remember is that you're vetting the client just as much as they're vetting you. The reason why you need to ask all of these qualifying questions is because you need to know if, do they have enough budget to work with you? Is this something you actually want to take on? What's the timeline looking like? Is this something you can actually pull off? If you start to get a lot of like workaround questions or you'll sometimes ask a bunch of questions and some of the answers will be red flags that you get from these clients.

32:01Do you want me to give you a red flag? Yeah, hit me. Okay, good red flag that they'll say is, you know, we found someone cheaper that could potentially do this thing. They're like trying to shop around, trying to get you to come down. That's not fun. Yeah. You got to knock it right in the beginning though. You just got to, you will learn these two over time. you'll get the same sort of objections that keep happening. And then you'll have little things in your back pocket that you're going to say. And it makes it a lot easier because the first time this shit happens, you kind of freeze. Yeah. Because you've never heard it before.

32:30You're like, uh, I was like, yo, you're a little expensive. And you're like, fuck. Which goes back to why positioning and niching down is so important. Because if you are really good, if you are the specialist who can fix Ferraris, and if someone comes to you with a Ferrari problem and says, oh, well, you know, the general mechanic down the street actually charged me a fourth of the price. Be like, well, great. Take it down there, big dog. Go take it down there. See what happens. Spend the money with them. It's going to be a shit job. And then it's going to be more expensive when you come back to us.

33:00But I say all that to say, I know when you're starting out, because I know how I was, because you're feeling so desperate of like, I want to get this job, or I feel like I need, you want to prove yourself or you feel like, you know, we all got bills to pay. Like I need this money, right? You come at it as, okay, whatever it is, I'll take the job. But you really need to come at it from, I don't even know if this client is right for me to work with. I need to ask a bunch of questions to know exactly what they're looking for, how much budget they have to spend, and if it is the right project for me.

33:41It's very easy to come at these jobs and discovery calls from, I need to land this job. So whatever they say, I'm going to like bend over back and make it work. If you can come at it from, I don't need this. It would be great to have, but only if it is the right client for me, you'll have a lot more success and you'll be a lot more calm on the discovery call as well. I'm going to tell you a perfect example because this is real. It happened to us this last week. So we did this job like just under 10 K and it was fine. Like, like, obviously we want everything that we do to be above 10 K and preferably it's like above 50, like in that range upwards.

34:23So new client, I'm like, you know what? We're down. It was pretty cool. We ended up doing the job. They hit us back to do something else. And you know, they, they're pricing out what this thing is going to be and it's cheap. Like this isn't something that is going to go on a reel. it's not something that i'm going to share publicly it's not something i'm super fired up to do like i could really give a fuck about this job this is just a paycheck job and i'm sure you all have had those years this is a paycheck job i don't care about this right and then they want to knock the price and he's like i was hoping to spend half of that and so me and reef were talking about it yesterday this is yesterday and we're kind of like you know he's like well you know he's a nice guy and i'm like well but here's the thing if a partner that paid us a significant check that like actually did some damage on our bottom line if they asked me for a favor i'm so much more inclined to say yes yeah because you scratch my back i'm down to help you out when you come at me and you knock the price the first time but i'm like oh whatever like you're new i'm down to do it it's pretty cool and then you come back and you want to knock it again i'm like go fuck yourself so i'm like no you know he's like what do you think and i'm like well we're not working that day we don't have a job that day i'm like yes do we not have a job that day yes but the product's premium the product's expensive and like i'm not going to go into louis vuitton and tell them that i want for half off the first time they go into louis vuitton like that's just not going to work and i'm not saying we're fucking louis vuitton but you have to think of yourself like where you sit in the market we're more expensive so like you should go hire a kid and it's going to look like shit and then you'll understand what went into the video that we gifted you for just under 10k because it was a gift like it should not have been that cheap but it was like oh it's fun it's cool and that's just kind of part of owning a business and i'm like you got to like we're not rude but you can't just keep knocking the price and it's the same like i always convert it back to their industry because usually whatever it is that they want it matters that's why they want it documented it's like this thing is important to you right yes of course it's important okay great well if it's important to you like i'm not going to budge on this rate like that is going to be the rate for it and if you guys can't hit it i totally understand but we don't need the money yeah you know and i think that that is uh it's it's a tough thing to swallow because you come from a place of like no we like we should be working we should be doing this but like not and if you're not going to be able to share it publicly and really post about it yeah like i'd be willing to take a discount on something that i know i'm like oh this is a crazy job totally you know i'm going to be able to share this and get make more money off of this yeah and hopefully that message makes sense to people because you're going to have so many opportunities like that that come and people are going to try to like hack your price down and unless it's cool and you want to make a relationship or something then great but if you're like ah i don't know about this one there's probably a no and then you should move on but by all means if you need money then do the job do the damn job 100 but if you're in if you are in a position to be able to say no and turn jobs down.

37:23That's a really blessed place to be in. And if you do decide to turn down the job, utilize that time or that day that you would have been shooting productively. Do outreach. Like if you guys aren't shooting on that day, send some emails or make a piece of content, like utilize your time productively. Don't just say, oh, I don't have a shoot today. You know, feels like we're playing hooky from school. number seven is only charging for the shoot day so if you are starting a video agency and this is different right like let's say a production company is hiring you you are just charging for the shoot day in your equipment right you're not going to be i'm not going to be like oh my profit is 50 like it's a day rate right that's how that works if you are the company and you're going to a business you're not just going to charge them for what it is for you to show up because there's going to be a lot of work that happens beforehand you're going to be maybe writing scripts for them This all depends on the scope, right?

38:23But like you're going to be writing scripts for them. Maybe you have to rent equipment for this specific job. Maybe you need to rent a location. All of those things are going to factor in. It's not just going to be like, okay, my rate is$1 ,000 for the day or$750 for the day. And that's all it is, right? But if you're being hired as a contractor, yes, that is how that works. So if it's like BTS, you're not going to tell them, oh, well, it's this, this, this, this, and this. It's just like my day rate is$500. I come with my kit or it's$700 with my kit or whatever that thing may be. And again, going back to what I was saying earlier, it's all dependent on if you want to do the job and if you want to work with the person.

38:56I'll waive my kit fee all the time because I want the job and it has to hit a certain number. And I know it's like this isn't going to work unless we hit this number. And we also own all the stuff. So it's different. But if you're having to rent all the things, then that's a different story. It's like, well, to make this happen, we're going to need to X, Y, and Z. And it has a cost with it. If you're shooting social media content, let's say you have a retainer with a business and you're taking time out of your day or out of your week to essentially scroll on social media, plan out ideas, come to them with scripts like you said.

39:31That's your pre-pro. That's pre-production and you deserve to get paid for it. It's not just I'm going to show up, shoot, but I have all these ideas and it falls into the rate of what my day rate was to shoot. your day rate to shoot and to edit is exactly that if there is pre-production that comes into play where you are coming up with ideas and um scripting stuff out or pulling references you deserve to be paid for that and that deserves to be included in the budget number eight is not upselling more deliverables this is a good one this is how you get your rate a little bit higher So if they come to you for one thing, the great thing about owning a business, if you do, if you also, if you go buy anything, you're always being upsold something.

40:18When, okay. So I used to work in retail. I hated that they used to tell us to do this. What did you do? So I used to work at All Saints. I used to, my two retail jobs was J.Crew. J.Crew was my first job ever. I knew you worked at J.Crew. And then my second job was All Saints. Fun fact about the All Saints job. Okay. I was the worst. I was at the bottom of the list of sales. No. And then they had me work like consecutive weekends. And it was right before I was going to school or going back to school over the summer. Okay. And my friends were like planning a trip or something to do over the weekend.

40:59But I was, I had to work. So I just didn't even give them a two weeks. I just quit. I was like, hey, going back to school earlier than I thought. won't be coming in on Monday or Saturday or whatever it was. But anyways, they would tell you, you introduce yourself to the customer and say, oh, you looking for anything in particular? Whatever. Then they obviously have some clothes in their hands because they're picking out stuff. They're like, oh, do you want me to start you a room? So then you would take their clothes, start a fitting room for them, and then they would always tell you to pick out a few extra clothes and say, hey, I know you picked out this shirt.

41:35I don't know if you saw these pants, but they go really well with the shirt and i always hated that because i don't know what this person's style is like i don't know if they're gonna like it i like for me when i'm shopping i'm looking at the whole store i guarantee you buddy you did not see something that i missed so don't bring me some shit into the changing room because i don't want it but anyways you should sell you should upsell as a videographer as a creative service provider a really easy way though to do it is is like additional cut downs because a lot of these brands are obviously running ads with your stuff so if you have a minute or a 30 you can offer 15s or 6s or whatever the heck you know that's so maybe if they do youtube pre-rolls there's a multitude of things that you can like toss in you know if you have a photographer that you work with and that stills maybe wasn't on a thing, you can make additional money by having like stills there.

42:33Yeah. It becomes a little bit, you know, a little bit stressful with like talent and whatnot and sharing them with stills. But if they have the money for it, it's like you're killing two birds with one stone in the day. And then, you know, they have more assets and stuff. So that's something to definitely think about. But like you're always being up. So you go to the movie theater, you want the large popcorn for 75 cents extra. 99 % of people say yes. And they're already spending the money. so if you can get them a little bit more extra stuff a lot of the times brands are down like i would i would be down if i owned the brand but yeah we're already doing it like yes cut us five more things from it for you know and a lot of the times like they'll bundle it um and it won't be as expensive as like the main video because it's already being cut it's already done and like you're just making a little shorter variations of it not like individual pieces i don't know if the episode that we recorded with Reef has come out yet by the time we put this one out.

43:26But you guys talked about and shared about a client coming to you with a certain budget for a certain set of deliverables. And then you guys ended up actually getting double the amount of budget out of them because you pitched them the ideas or the idea of additional deliverables. And you might think that if a client or a brand or business comes to you and says, you know, we have$5 ,000 all in or$10 ,000 all in for this thing, it doesn't hurt to at least pitch the idea because they might actually have more money to spend. And the way I figured this out, when I was in school, we did this project for this water bottle company called Mir.

44:11And they're big now, but they weren't big when we did this. They're like a little baby compared to Hydro Flask. And they gave us all a million dollar budget. CEO and the founder came in and they like you basically pitch them live, right, with all your concepts and stuff. And everyone else was like way under a million, 600, 700, 800, maybe 900, whatever. We did one that was like 950 or something. And then one that was like 1.2 million. Like, oh, well, 950 is dope. But if we had 1.2, we could really go crazy. and the CEO was like I'm picking the 1.2 every single time like I'm a guy who wants to go above and beyond and like I really like the idea and everyone else was so far under budget and and like for those that don't know if you give a marketing director a half a million bucks and they don't spend it they're not getting the half a million next year they're gonna like all meet and be like yo why didn't you see you are two hundred thousand dollars off like why didn't you spend so we'll give you 300 this year and then their budget gets cut down so like they want to hit their number and like sometimes at the end of the year i mean we'll get hit up for random shit at the end of the year like hey can you guys just cut this one video for us for an obnoxious number because they need to hit this thing otherwise they lose their budget that's a real thing that happens with these brands so you know always remember that there is going to be people that no matter what and you and i are like this like i want the premium shit yeah i don't want the budget option like if i'm going oh i want my snowboard like i want the nicest shit i don't want to be like, I'm not here for the dollar general shit.

45:38Where's the Burton dude? Give me the nice jacket, the Gore-Tex shit. And there's just always going to be a buyer like that. There's also always going to be a buyer that's cheap, always a buyer in the middle. And there will be someone at the top. You want to sell it to people at the top. They'll make your bottom line bigger. Guys like me and Kostas. Oh shit. Oh my God. Oh, this is great. Number nine, dude, Dude, save their lives. What do you got for them? Failing to define revision limits. This will bite you in the ASS as a videographer. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I've given people. Dude, I've told you guys this if you're OG, but I did once a revision.

46:18It was that 10K project I told you guys about after school. I shit you not. We were on version 40 of each of the five videos. Like it was like 36, 38, 39. And it was just, I think we worked on it for six months. And my dumb ass finally at six months was just like, can we just be done? Can I just give you the footage and you guys go find someone else to cut this? Like, this is insane. I remember when I was terrible. I remember when I was shooting real estate with Ben Belak. Shout out. I didn't have, it was like my, one of my first ever retainer clients. Shout out to Ben. And I didn't have anything in the contract of revisions.

46:56And so we like oftentimes these videos would be on version, you know, six or seven. And it would take me quite a long time because I just didn't understand that concept. I thought it was just like until the video is exactly how they want it. Like I'm going to just keep cutting away. It forces them to like you're still making it how they want it. it's just forcing them to condense the feedback to like okay they watch it six times yeah and then they give it to you not just like oh once and then you go cut something and they're like ah you're actually you missed three things the first one as well and then it just delays the project and then it creates real estate in your brain because you're like damn i'm not done with that one thing from ben and then you get hit up by another person another person then you're like shit i still have that one video that's on version five what i will say doesn't i don't count this as a revision is if you or your editor makes a spelling mistake oh no it's not a revision that's not a revision yeah it's on you if you are making a revision please duplicate the sequence that's game duplicate the sequence every time you make a revision duplicate that sequence because sometimes a client will ask for a revision or ask if we can go back to like a previous revision and if you don't have it saved and you have to like re-edit it to be how it was at the beginning so duplicate the sequences and yeah when i was at the lakers i did that once and i kept editing on the thing right i don't remember they're like we want to go back to like version six or something and we're like version nine and i didn't have it and i just said fuck it dude i'm just gonna rip the export and just toss the export on there oh damn cut up the export was like game no one's gonna notice this we're talking about game yeah dude always export without closed captions oh my god i literally was like i and i remember it was like titles like it's got to go live i'm like you know what do i make an executive call if someone calls it out then i'll rebuild this from zero but this is going to take me a whole day to redo it something that okay a couple things mess that up another piece of game get before you even start editing get the music approved.

49:14So that's not even a question because we all know the thing that a client will say, can we just switch the song? It's like, no, no, you don't understand. I cut on beat. Okay. It's going to mess the whole thing up. So get the song approved beforehand, but also something you guys started doing, which I actually love and I'm going to steal is you guys are now sending a document of what good and bad feedback looks like. and you force the clients to read it and say, hey, this is how this thing is going to go. This is what is good feedback. This is what bad feedback looks like. I don't want you to give me any feedback on the bad stuff.

49:56And yeah, but sometimes they don't even read it. Yeah, most of the time they don't read it. But it's helpful because instead of them saying like, I don't like this, it's like, I don't like this. Could we change to another shot that's like this? or, you know, you just give examples of good and bad feedback. So at least there's something to base it off of. And when they give you shit feedback, you can say, can you please refer back to the client feedback doc? Like it'll make our lives so much easier in this process. And that is just part of part of growing. And I stole that from another production company.

50:26I saw they had that. I was like, this is fucking genius. Like, I don't know why I haven't done this. You just play this weird game of, you know, especially young brands that have never worked with creative partners before, they have no idea. It's not their fault. They just don't know. And a lot of times they're not creative with like video stuff. They're creative with the branding and with the product and all that stuff. So it's a different medium for them. So they don't know how to communicate with you. Like I'm not going to tell a designer what to do. I don't know. I have no idea how to talk their language.

50:53I could tell a video person what to do. I could tell a photo person what to do, an editor what to do. And so that's just kind of the same sort of situation. They've just never worked in your medium before. Number 10, not collecting a deposit when you're working with a client. Okay. If you're working with a production company, you don't get a deposit. You get paid net 30 because they're waiting net 30 for the client to pay them. Meaning if you were a contracted videographer. Yeah. If someone hires me to DP something, I'm not going to hit them with, I need 20 % down. I'm just going to send them my invoice the day we wrap.

51:23And then I'll be like, okay, 29 days later is typically when you get paid. But like if you're a company and you have like, you know, something going with a retainer or one-on project, you'll typically get like 30 % up front or 33 % up front, maybe even 50 % up front or some sort of 25 % up front. I personally like the 33 % because it gives you enough to rent the equipment and pay for any expendables. If you're buying props and stuff like that, and you're not coming out of your own bank account for that right off the bat, you know, and then you do have a little bit of pad. If you have enough left over, where you can pay people out and just be done with it.

51:57This also works even if you aren't a company. If you're just a freelance photographer or videographer. Yeah, you're doing a wedding or whatever. I had to send a deposit to the photographer that we hired or that I hired for my engagement. Yeah, and deposits are good because I was doing a wedding in college. Poor bastard and his girl broke up. And they then owed me$1 ,000. And he came asking for it. You kept that money, baby. Brother, that money is long gone. Dude, this is this new lens, brother. Yeah. Yeah, this is a new lens. Well, deposit in Latin, it actually means I'm keeping that shit. No, it's not.

52:31I'm kidding.

52:36Send him back the Urban Dictionary. No, yeah, that's the whole point of a deposit. Yeah. You're cooked and it's unfortunate. It also - But you're booking their day. Exactly. You tell other people, six other people, hey, I can't do that day. And then it comes out to be, oh, I can do that day. You can't go get that back. they've probably went with someone else yeah it allows sorry unbelievable before we keep going i want to share something kind of funny with you okay so monarch got a new app i don't know if you've downloaded it no it's called basis okay but it keeps giving me these notifications that says like last call for coffee which was 16 minutes ago it's 12 22 pm which is hilarious because I'm drinking caffeine at like 4 or 5 p.m.

53:27My second espresso of the day later on. So I'm apparently fucking up my quality of sleep. Your sleep. But have you seen the eight sleep? I have not. What's that? Dude, apparently it's this pad and this isn't even an ad. Apparently it's an ad that goes, it's like a mattress topper. But you can control the temperature. I've seen this. I'm getting okay I'm getting everyone is telling your girl your girl and you could be on a different that's pretty nice what do you keep your apartment at I think the perfect temperature is like 68 69 okay what do you keep yours at 65 at night yeah I that's insane I want an arctic in there you know it's also psychotic I close the vents to everywhere but my room so like the office the living room I'm like, they don't get a vent, bro.

54:19I'm just like, let me get cold. But I honestly, I really like it freezing. You know, that's why the Swedish, man, they sleep better. And Chloe's down for a cold apartment. Chloe likes it cold. But she also, it's funny because she does use a heating pad. Like, I don't use a heating pad. I feel great. Like, I'm. She uses a heating pad on her bed? No, no. Like, on her side, she has a little tiny heating pad that goes over her stomach or something. Yeah, she likes the heating pad. It's interesting. You know, they say. But I don't need to be like, I like it freezing cold. I've liked this since I was a kid like that.

54:54I think one of the most important, and this might be like top three most important attributes or things in a relationship is thermostat compatibility. Agreed. No, I agree. If she's a 71 girl and you're a 68, can't do it. Cannot do it. You got to break up. Yeah. It's never going to work. No, it's never going to work. Be real with yourself right now. You know that you're in pain. Exactly. You know that you're miserable at night and you're afraid to tell her. Yeah, dude. Or you've told her and she's not budging. You got to try to meet in the middle. You got to be within one to two degrees. Or if she likes a fan and you don't like a fan.

55:30Okay, so this is something that me and Sarah Catherine have had to work through is she likes to fall asleep with like the TV on. I can't do the TV on. And white noise. And I'm like, make it pitch black and fucking silent. Yeah, I can't do the TV. It totally throws me out. I can watch a show leading up to bed and it's like, we need to close the show. Cause I can't, you know, it's funny though. I can totally deal with a fan, even though I don't love, I don't love that. I'm not like, I need a fan to sleep, but like I could, you can throw it on loud. I'm not fazed by TV though. I cannot do the TV.

56:02It just like, it messes my circadian dude. That's what it is. We were telling about not collecting a deposit, but you know what number 11 is? Not building relationships with the decision makers at agencies and producers. That's a big one. OK, because a lot of the time the brands that you know and love, right, you're not going to go work with Nike. You're going to work with Wyden Kennedy. You'll work with their ad agency. They will hire you out. Or, you know, Nike is so big. Nike has a bazillion agencies. You might work with one of them, but you're likely not going to just go zero to Nike. That's not going to happen.

56:36So really good rule of thumb is to identify who these decision makers are at the companies that are the AOR agency of record. just giving out game today and then go attack those folks that's the way to go after the bigger jobs it also makes sense if you're a one-man band freelancer getting work it's not super easy like it can be it can be pretty difficult but if you can connect with you know directors or producers who already have the relationships with these brands that you want to work with and you're of the caliber that they can hire you like to come onto these jobs, it is, it's going to allow you to be way more booked and busy than if you're solely relying on your network or your outreach strategy.

57:32Um, so yeah, if you can, if you can connect with a lot more agencies and producers, and this is something that I wish I did, uh, you know, a lot more when I was first starting out because I, again, I thought the only way to do it was just for me as a quote unquote freelance photographer or videographer to be directly connected to the brand itself. Without a doubt. Number 12 is to save money for taxes. Oh, bring us home. I didn't do this when I first started out and I didn't, I just didn't understand, like, not that obviously I knew you had to pay taxes. I didn't understand the percentage to save.

58:10Didn't understand how write-offs work. Didn't understand how to separate. Well, everything is a write-off. Everything. I didn't understand how to separate a bank account. So like I was operating out of the business account, which is not ideal. Like you want to keep it clean. So when an accountant goes in there, he or she's not so confused. It's like, why did you pay for CVS pharmacy on the business account? It's a write-off. It's a write-off. The pills are right off. Everything should be clean and organized, right? So what I recommend doing is like, let's say you have your little LLC, right? You pay yourself a salary that or like, or you can pay yourself monthly, whatever the heck that thing, you know, looks like for you.

58:47And then, you know, keep track of your expenses. But every job, you know, if you have a business bank account, this makes it easier because you know, okay, well, I just paid myself a salary. What is left in there is like operating capital. And when my taxes do hit, like I'm going to take from this. Some people do this. I don't personally do this, but let's say they get a job and it's 10 grand. They'll put two grand immediately into this other account. It's like your tax account. Some people like doing that. I don't think it's super necessary because if you have all your operating capital in the account, you know that when you do get your tax bill, that it's going from that account.

59:21The other thing is to pay quarterly taxes. You start making good money, pay quarterly. So at the end of the year, the IRS isn't like, hey, you owe$75 ,000. You'll just know that, okay, I've already paid my quarterlies up to this point. And it's a lot lighter of a blow to your to your bank account and it makes your life a lot easier but yeah do death taxes and what the fuck's the other one the three things that are guaranteed in life the other one is death taxes and then you i think you just make up a third i think um i don't remember what the third one is what is it i gotta look it up it's gonna drive me nuts what's the saying okay Death, taxes, and sincere calling multiple girls beloved.

1:00:08It's guaranteed.

1:00:12In this world, nothing can be said to be certain except death and taxes. That was by Benjamin Franklin. He didn't have a third. Maybe Google Gemini is lying to me. I don't know. Anyways, man, this was a fun episode. And if you've been an OG 505 listener, you know that this one was really going back to the core roots. The grassroots, dude. If you are still here, we're getting ready to launch round number five of our dream client accelerator, the DCA. We're also hosting an awesome live workshop on August 3rd. Right? August 3rd? August 3rd. So the link for that will be down below. It's super fun.

1:01:02It's going to be two hours of us basically spitting even more game than this. Did you like this? Imagine this on steroids. Yeah, imagine this on steroids with a sick PowerPoint presentation. Q &A. And an open Q &A where we will stay on and answer your guys' questions live. So if you guys are looking to level up your career as a videographer or photographer. for come hang with the rocks come hang with the rocks we're going to show you exactly how to make more money charge more for your work land bigger and better clients top link in the description yeah i'm looking forward to seeing you guys there what else have we been doing dude are you going to buy this fx5 do you think this is actually going to be a cool camera or they're just throwing some bullshit at us i think eventually i would probably get it um i think i think i will end up buying it as well because i like the fact that if that open gate thing is true it will be nice to not have to shoot vertical and horizontal like i was just in i was in new york um filming some stuff for carhartt and we'd shoot a horizontal and then we'd switch to vertical and then i just flipped the fx6 flip my monitor big pain in the ass it would be so nice to just be like now i have the lines like yeah we're set i can film wide and i don't have to worry about it I think that would be that would be really really nice yeah I think it'll be interesting to play with at Sony Kando I'm just gonna have to tell you about it because you won't be there unfortunately yeah but um it's all good dude it's all good but seriously I think I think it'll be I think it'll be interesting I'm curious to see how big of a difference OpenGate actually makes because I've never actually played around with it.

1:02:49But I was also thinking I'm more inclined because I think the FX3 is so good. I don't really feel like I need to like upgrade from the FX3 to an FX5. No, I agree. It would probably be to get another body. Supplemental. What I'm actually, I think, more inclined to do instead of get something like that, I think I'm more inclined to sell my A1 mark one and get either the a1 mark two or like the a7 five um that one just come out i think so bro they're releasing too many cameras because i can't even keep up so when i'm shooting like when i went to cabo to shoot for chileno bay one it's like it's very difficult to shoot photo and video and switch back and forth but it's also really difficult so you want the one body dual threat because i'm not shooting photos on the fx3 so let's say like most of the stuff that i'm shooting is with like my 24 to 70 i see if it's on the road if i'm doing both photo video i have to take the lens off i have to like switch lenses basically and so it could be kind of nice to just have for certain situations if it's just social because I know the A1 makes a very beautiful image.

1:04:13Like if I am doing something where I am shooting both photo and video, maybe it makes more sense for me to have either the A75 or the A1 Mark II. I want the flip out screen. I don't like that it doesn't have a flip out screen. We need to get rid of that camera for you, man. I know. The flip out screen is the whole deal breaker. But it'll be interesting to see the camera. I'm still hoping that eventually we get the FX3 Mark II. Cause that'll be sick. Like we were saying though, dude, like these cameras are beasts. And like we have, you know, I have an FX six for blue stripe stuff and we use it for the pod, but the FX six is great.

1:04:49It's a great camera. It is seriously, it's a really solid camera. I will say for like run and gun stuff where you're really moving around a lot. I prefer the FX three cause it has image stabilization and the FX six body does not. Oh, interesting. So like it does, you know, it does really not. I mean, it's so much more smooth on the FX3. Obviously, it all depends on what you're going for. And these really big cinema cameras don't have IBIS. They're, you know, but you're also, they're 40 pounds. So it smooths it out naturally. Like it's just huge. So it's a lot more stable. Smooths it out naturally.

1:05:24And you got to assume that if you're using that extensive of a camera and you want gimbal-esque shots, you're going to be hiring a steady cam up. I will say, you know, for like, if you're doing YouTube shit, run and gun stuff, social ads, like the FX3 built out a little bit is like the best camera I think you can buy. And I prefer the smoothness for shit like that. Like I like the little help I've noticed and like it's really solid. It's totally like that. So other DPs would be like, I don't like the smoothness, blah, blah, blah. But when you're moving around a lot and you're holding that shit all day, I think it helps.

1:06:00update for you on the World Cup and this will give away when we're actually recording this Spain is up 1-0 against France I'm kind of bummed we're not watching that because that's like a sick game holy shit Laminya Mall and Mbappe going after each other I don't know who scored but dude the World Cup has been so oh Michael Ollar Zabel okay on a penalty uh on a PK yeah the World Cup has been so fun to watch and I don't know if I was talking to you about this but I was wondering why I'm more into it you were talking to us about it why I'm more into it this year the World Cup is always fun to watch but for whatever reason I'm like more into it this year and I think it's because some of the games or a lot of the games are being played in the U.S.

1:06:50and so the games are at normal times because when they're in other countries you're dealing with the time change and sometimes the games are at like 2 a.m., 3 a.m., 4 a.m. I'm like, I don't care enough about soccer to wake up that early. But it's been electric. It's a bummer that the U.S. lost. They made a little bit of a run, which was cool, but it's been super fun. I went to Penmar to watch one game and then I went to Santa Monica Brew Works to watch another. So it's been cool to keep up with. Who you got taking it? dude i don't know maybe maybe spain i've been really i started getting hit with lamina mall highlights when we still live together with reef and this dude is like 19 he was like 17 or 18 at the time he's correct he's so good so it's cool to watch that um they're winning against france but i don't know we'll see i feel like the winner of this game will probably win the whole thing um and i'm trying to think of something else was gonna potentially move by the time this comes out we might actually have landed a new apartment me and sarah katherine are looking at new apartments because for whatever reason right now rent in la has like gone down a pretty good amount and i've always been someone who's super into like super modern like i want the newest nicest like we were talking earlier i want the nice as shit but she has convinced me and i think i've turned a new leaf to where i actually do enjoy and appreciate there are certain apartments in la that have this charm about them because they were built in the 1920s so they have the the fireplace and the the built-ins and like yes the appliances are kind of older but it has it has some charm and i've always i thought we were going to move back to the west side but what you can get on the west side it's just like a lot more expensive the apartments aren't as big and i think i would like to save a little bit of money on rent get an even bigger spot and if i gotta drive to the west side we'll drive to the west side shebang trying to think of what else i think that's pretty much it yeah i'm just i'm really excited about this new round of the DCA.

1:09:15God, I'm fired up. This is going to be super fun. Thanks for tuning in with us, hanging out with us. This has been an epic episode of the 505 Pot. If you feel like, please hit the subscribe button, drop us a comment, leave us a like, let us know if you're liking these episodes and we'll see you guys all next week. Peace.

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