In short
Coachella’s branding and earned-media “engine,” using Justin Bieber’s 2025/2024-style headlining run as the case study, plus critiques of Coachella’s social strategy and what they missed.
Guests (backgrounds)
Two frequent Coachella attendees and content creators for brands (one mentions touring with Loud Luxury; both discuss producing director treatments and brand content). They speak from firsthand festival experience (GA vs VIP, security/lines, merch queues, shuttle/exit bottlenecks).
Key claims
Bieber’s “effect” drove record revenue and earned media, but Coachella left money on the table via under-posting and insufficient behind-the-scenes/UGC-style “raw” content. Coachella could have repurposed more moments (fan barricades, pit POV, “iPhone” crowd clips) and posted more than 234 times during the period discussed.
Notable examples
Bieber $10M highest-paid Coachella headliner; Skylark merch $15M across both weekends (weekend one $5M, cited as a record vs prior $1.7M); long hoodie lines and FOMO into weekend two; Coachella posting 234 times; calls for “Coachella creators club,” more reels/POV, and more “hit songs” crowd clips.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORecap of Coachella Experience
0:30 to 1:30
Hosts discuss their personal experiences and feelings about attending Coachella.
“I know you weren't feeling super well over the last couple of days because Bieber fever really hits you hard.”
The Bieber Effect at Coachella
1:30 to 2:30
Exploring the significant impact Justin Bieber had on Coachella's attendance and revenue.
“So we went GA, which is, you know, regular degular.”
Bieber's Record-Breaking Merch Sales
2:30 to 4:00
Discussion on the record-breaking merchandise sales generated by Justin Bieber at Coachella.
“there was about an hour and 15 minute wait just to get in past security.”
The Rise of Merch Experiences at Festivals
4:00 to 6:00
How artists like Bieber are creating unique merchandise experiences at festivals.
“So some of the records that he broke was one, he was the highest paid headliner in Coachella history at$10 million.”
The Role of Social Media in Branding
6:00 to 8:00
Analyzing how social media impacts branding and marketing at events like Coachella.
“that also is like, I'm only going for this headliner specifically.”
The Power of World Building in Branding
8:00 to 10:00
Exploring how brands create immersive experiences to enhance consumer engagement.
“The Skylark hoodie that we ended up buying has his Coachella dates on the back.”
Bieber's Strategic Marketing Play
10:00 to 12:00
Understanding the marketing strategies behind Justin Bieber's Coachella performance.
“sense like it's all branding but like the stuff that's on her feed it went right into the world And I actually drove by there.”
The Future of Live Performances and Branding
12:50 to 14:04
Discussion on how live performances can leverage branding and media in the future.
“I believe the third time Rufus DeSouza performed like three or four times.”
The Impact of Netflix Documentaries on Branding
14:04 to 15:01
Explore how artists leverage Netflix documentaries for branding opportunities.
“okay you're dropping you're dropping another show i'll go on the topic of the netflix documentary that bieber is supposedly putting out this happened for the first time i believe in 2018 when Beyonce performed.”
Maximizing Content Creation Around Events
15:04 to 15:48
Learn strategies for creators to maximize content from live performances.
“That is the play the creators can take from this, man.”
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Social Media Strategy: The Coachella Example
15:50 to 16:45
Discuss the numbers behind Coachella's social media output and engagement.
“Which is funny because I was looking at you counting and you counted individually and I so badly wanted to look at you and say, you can just count the rows and And then multiply by three.”
Missed Opportunities in Fan Engagement
16:46 to 17:52
Identify ways Coachella could enhance fan engagement through social media.
“I would have loved to see like 20 posts from Bieber's thing.”
Behind the Scenes: The Coachella Experience
17:53 to 18:58
Explore behind-the-scenes content opportunities that Coachella missed.
“fully comprehend how big Coachella was going to be for me as an artist.”
Crowd Dynamics and Fan Experiences
18:59 to 20:15
Analyze the dynamics of the crowd at Coachella and the fan experience.
“that were happening, but the fans are such a big part of the festival.”
Revisiting the Coachella Vibe
20:16 to 21:46
Reflect on the changing atmosphere of Coachella over the years.
“Whenever they're posting videos of the artists performing, it's never the fucking hit.”
Content Opportunities During Major Events
21:47 to 23:27
Discuss the importance of creating content during events like Coachella.
Leveraging Peak Moments for Promotions
23:28 to 24:44
Understand how to maximize promotional efforts during high engagement periods.
“Obviously, there's so much content that they can like repurpose and stuff throughout the year.”
The Nostalgia Factor in Marketing
24:45 to 25:53
Learn about the power of nostalgia in branding and marketing strategies.
“And so the pre-sale for next year is going to go live in about eight days, which is crazy.”
Bieber's Performance and Audience Expectations
25:54 to 28:01
Explore audience reactions and expectations from Justin Bieber's performance.
“Okay, do you think YouTube paid for that shit?”
The Power of Nostalgia in Branding
28:01 to 29:16
Explore how nostalgia can enhance brand engagement and marketing strategies.
“But then the other thing is as cool as the YouTube stuff was.”
Coachella's Business Model Breakdown
29:16 to 31:28
Analyze the financial structure and revenue streams of Coachella.
“You had no idea what food and B was, huh?”
Cultural Impact of Brand Activations
31:28 to 34:12
Discuss how brands leverage events like Coachella to enhance their image.
“I mean, Gap was in the shitter not that long ago.”
Premium Experiences and Pricing at Festivals
34:12 to 38:24
Investigate the various pricing tiers and luxury options available at festivals.
“that really impressed me thank you i appreciate that okay so this is interesting on the on the topic of brands integrating 12.5 percent of coachella's total revenue came from brands just paying to be there.”
The Evolution and Demand of Coachella
38:24 to 42:00
Examine the changes in Coachella's structure and ticket demand over the years.
“like a better, more exclusive experience.”
Coachella Experiences and Ticket Dynamics
42:00 to 44:20
Discussing personal experiences at Coachella, ticket sales, and the crowd dynamics.
Hotel Troubles and Haggling
44:20 to 47:20
Sharing stories about hotel issues, bed bugs, and successful haggling experiences.
“I'm like, well, just tell me what you want.”
Negotiating Compensation After Dirty Sheets
47:20 to 49:20
Detailing the process of negotiating a hotel credit for unacceptable accommodations.
“I go up to her and I say, hey, I'm checking out.”
The Business of Coachella
49:20 to 51:00
Analyzing Coachella's profitability and the challenges of working with artists.
Rocket Launch Filming Experience
51:00 to 53:10
Discussing a unique experience filming a rocket launch and its challenges.
“I think they would be unbelievable headliners.”
Apple's Leadership Transition and Future
53:10 to 55:50
Discussing Tim Cook's potential retirement and the future of Apple leadership.
“It wasn't near there, which yeah, they were sad.”
Podcast Direction and Future Plans
55:50 to 56:01
Reflecting on the podcast's direction and future content plans.
Navigating Podcast Growth and Guest Challenges
56:01 to 57:25
Learn about the challenges of growing a podcast and managing guest bookings.
“I also think when we first started the podcast, we had these dreams and aspirations of making it this massive, massive show.”
Evolving Podcast Focus and Audience Engagement
57:26 to 59:21
Explore the shift in the podcast's direction towards more relatable content.
“I'm also curious what you guys want to hear.”
Shifting Perspective on Podcast Guests
59:22 to 1:01:06
Discover how perspectives on guest selection are changing for better authenticity.
“I think though going forward, it'll be less guest episodes, but we'll try obviously to get the biggest and best people that we can on in the space.”
Closing Thoughts and Call to Action
1:01:07 to 1:01:55
The hosts share their appreciation and encourage listener engagement.
“And I think I think getting back to like the roots of 505.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Coachella just wrapped six days of business,$200 million in revenue,$68 million in profit, and$870 million in earned media during weekend one alone. Justin Bieber headlined as the highest paid artist in festival history at$10 million. His brand Skylark made$15 million in merch across both weekends, more than any Coachella act has ever done by a landslide. There's no doubt the Bieber effect is real, but here's what nobody's talking about. Coachella generated nearly a billion dollars in earned media, but their social strategy still left money on the table. That's what we're getting into today. Let's go.
0:31I know you weren't feeling super well over the last couple of days because Bieber fever really hits you hard. But are you fully recovered from Coachella? Absolutely recovered. That was the set of the year. Set of the decade. The price admission was worth just Bieber's performance from weekend one. Yeah. But I think we kind of got snubbed. Weekend one, I feel like we got snubbed, man. Weekend two, he remembered who he was. I feel like everyone came out for weekend two. And that's usually it's the opposite. Dude, it's all good. It's all good. I'm recovered now. Me too. You enjoyed your time? My sleep score was a cumulative like 38 the whole time we were there.
1:03but it was one of the best weekends ever. So much fun. But today I'm really excited to break down all of the media side of it and what makes this engine run because I think there's something that every single person can take from it and put it into the business that they're running. What's also crazy is the first year I ever went to Coachella was 2013. Tickets, I believe, were$375. Bro, inflation's hitting the gas and it's hitting Coachella. And now it's 625, I believe, for GA. So we went GA, which is, you know, regular degular. What's also funny, 2023 for Frank Ocean, I decided for the first time ever to invest in VIP.
1:46This time around, I was like, is it really that worth it? So I went GA, really regretted it. If I ever go back to Coachella, I got to go at least VIP. Oh, really? Okay. You really regretted it. longer walk times to get into the festival. Dude, time is money. Time is money and longer food lines. And so I think that all that accumulates to you not being able to see as many sets as you want. I like the way you're thinking. Yeah. I like the way you think. Cause I thought the same thing. I was over the walk, man. And also, dude, I don't want to be in lines, man. I don't want to be in lines. Okay. Yeah.
2:20I'm old, too old to be in sitting in lines. I'm like, can we pay to get past these lines? Yeah. You know, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Listen, what's funny though, before, before we get into this, there was for Bieber day, there was about an hour and 15 minute wait just to get in past security. Right. It was like insane backup. So I'm sitting there wondering like, who's running the show? Who's in charge, man. And as soon as we get to the front, I realized the guy in charge there is probably like eight claws deep. And I'm like, is you guys having fun? I'm like, no, I'm not having fun. It's hot as shit.
2:49We're sitting under the beating sun. And then you guys are hammered up here running the show. No, they're there, dude. These guys, these guys are running the gate. When you get up there, I'm like, oh, that's why it's taken 19 years to get through this thing. I will say good in all my years of going to Coachella, never been pat down less getting through security. Take that as you will. I walked in with a couple of white claws in my back pocket. They didn't even check. They're not there for that, man. No. Anyways, everybody was there for Bieber and we want to talk about him setting records and how much money Bieber actually generated for the festival because the Bieber effect was real.
3:26And as someone who has gone quite a few times to Coachella, I've, I always know that it's going to be busy and there's a lot of people, but this year was on another level. And I think you saw it too, with how many people were just trying to get in. Like I've never, I've only been twice, but the lines that I saw from previous years were not like that at all you could just walk right in like sure you weren't really waiting in a line even in ga like i had went ga you just walked right up there's maybe 15 people in front of you you popped right in that day of his of his set was insane and also to just get out of the festival took an hour and like 30 minutes and you were in bumper to bumper traffic it was kind of terrifying like you were literally just stuck with people and then there was a period of time as you were leaving where you couldn't even leave like you were just standing there you're just like this is actually insane kind of Kind of trippy, but thank God everyone was on their best behavior and we made it out.
4:16Okay. So some of the records that he broke was one, he was the highest paid headliner in Coachella history at$10 million. Could have paid him more. Should have probably paid him more. I think they could have doubled up on it. Wouldn't even have affected. Wouldn't even have made a dent. A hundred percent. And what's also crazy is his new brand, Skylark, which he just dropped, generated$5 million in just weekend one, but$15 million across both weekends. And the$5 million number dominated anyone in history. Oh, yeah. Like it was, I believe they said like two and a half times. Yeah, the previous record was$1.7 million for both weekends.
4:52So weekend one already, it dominated. I wasn't standing in line for that hoodie, man. I'm not doing it. Oh, we got it. You got it. Yeah, but we went at a time. No, sorry. Josh was there and they went, waited in line. And I texted him. I was like, can you grab me one and we'll Venmo you? So we didn't actually have to wait in line. Oh, wow. That's really clutch. You clutched up. I saw that line. I was like, there's just no way. I don't love it. It was like a few hour long line. I don't like anybody this much to get to wait this line. To say hoodie though. Really? Yeah. You're going to be jealous when you see me rocking it, but it's all good.
5:22I won't be jealous. But that's good that you did get to skip the line. That's pretty clutch. A few things or a few reasons why I believe or we believe that Bieber was able to break these records like he did. One, it's just Justin fucking Bieber. Also, you had this effect of people not being able to see him live for so many years. Yeah, he didn't perform. He hasn't performed at a major festival in over five years. And there was a whole controversy with Bieber where he was going to go on tour and then health stuff happens and he pulled out. And so he didn't end up going on tour. You had all those fans that were craving to see him live.
5:59So, okay, you also have a group that may or may not have ever been to Coachella. Sure. that also is like, I'm only going for this headliner specifically. I was really excited for just like, that was why I wanted to go. The only other time I had ever, uh, like specifically gone for one headliner was the year of Frank Ocean. That worked out well for you. Didn't work out super well. Me and Frank are still beefing to this day. Um, but yeah, Bieber has the effect and has the ability to get people to just come out because of how massive of a superstar he is. And I think people forgot because he had kind of been out of the limelight and not performed, you kind of forget how much clout and how much pull he actually has as an artist.
6:44And yeah, Coachella took the bet and it 100 % paid off. Did you ever go over to the area where his merch was? Yes, and it had that little blue box, right? That we're talking about? Yeah. I didn't go, I didn't go inside. I honestly, I didn't look at the merchandise at all. I didn't look at anyone's merch stuff. So what's interesting about merch at Coachella, at least earlier on, is it was normally just like the main Coachella merch tent. I see, okay. And you go and they have everything up and you can decide which you want. I think over the last couple of years, brands and specific artists started doing pop-up activations And Bieber kind of took his to a whole nother level.
7:27He had a whole world built out that you could go. It was like a full on experience to go get his merch, but also he had an activation. So he created a place for people to go not only get his merch, but create content around that. And that generates that's earned media right there as well. You also you have so many regular people that are filming in the, you know, in the merch booth. right so like you're seeing all that stuff on reels and on tiktok you know what's crazy too is when the festival ended on friday night and we're obviously in coachella valley and you go back dude ig's algorithm very strong tiktok it hits you with all kinds of coachella stuff so you're getting like merch people you're getting food reviews like it knows you're there right you're in that geolocation you're getting fed with all that stuff and i i saw a few videos of like the booths and what they looked like but i i didn't like walk into them because the lines were so ridiculously long but there was thousands and thousands tens of thousands of videos being created and you got to think about all the cumulative views that all of those bring in so like then it creates a fomo effect for weekend two because people are saying how long i saw like the line was three hours to get this hoodie well then in weekend two you have people that are like staking it out as soon as they walk in like that's where they're going his merch feels almost like an artifact that you can buy from that specific time.
8:47The Skylark hoodie that we ended up buying has his Coachella dates on the back. Normally when an artist puts out merch or if they put out a clothing line, for example, before he had Skylark, he put out Drew House. You can get limited drops, but to pair a limited drop with the dates behind such an iconic performance adds to people wanting to get like that hoodie specifically from Coachella because they know they're not going to be able to get it again. Yeah. And I mean, like you're saying, it's not just, oh, here's the hoodie and it's just in a white room. It's like there is a world here. And I think that all brands, all creators can steal something from that playbook.
9:28Like we should be building out a world and it should feel like this person's home when you walk into it. And building out like a specific moment as well. Yeah. And I mean, his stage kind of looked like the the Skylark uh like kind of you know what I'm talking about like his stage with that weird sculpture thing kind of made it look like their their world that they were building for for the same with Sabrina Sabrina did the same thing at her show like the the backdrop and all of the different things that come along with the set like felt very her and yeah if you like went to her Instagram which is interesting it kind of felt like it was like a parallel which which makes sense like it's all branding but like the stuff that's on her feed it went right into the world And I actually drove by there.
10:09There did a pop up at a gas station. It was like five minutes away from our hotel. And I saw it. I'm like, ah, like it looks exactly very similar to what the actual set looked like. And all those little details kind of go together. You bring up an interesting point, though, about world building. And I think that brands now I think brands are starting to do a better. I think they're in on it. A better job. Some of them. um jt barnett actually made some pretty interesting content around uh like brand activations around coachella and and who's doing it well but i think that gap did well gap did super what kind of a comeback yeah and well i mean they also you know for sure they paid central c an obscene amount of money to wear that hoodie there's no way that you think that they 100 absolutely that's another thing though that the brands don't have to disclose it's like some cheeky marketing shit it's not like you have you know a committee that's like you have to disclose you're wearing this hoodie i think they did something smart i think they hit him up and were like hey what's it gonna cost to go on with our hoodie on bang you know i believe i believe his merch was also gap i could be totally making that up but i'm almost positive it was so there's a little collaboration going on there but that i mean that's a strong cultural moment and they had a ridiculous line too it was like hours long it was the longest one of the longest lines of the festival.
11:25I remember seeing it. It was just snaking all the way out. Our good buddies at Artlist just dropped Artlist Studio, and this is insane. Before this was released, we got to go to New York and see this live in action. What you're able to do with Artlist that you haven't been able to do before is have consistency across characters that you're building in their AI software. Where I think this could actually be really useful for us personally is using this for our director's treatments. A lot of the times I'm looking for a very specific shot, and let's say I find the shot, finding other moments to go with it are nearly impossible.
11:52Now what I'll be able to do with art list is create my own little unique world and build frames off of that that I can use into my director's treatments. I can keep the consistency across my characters, consistency across locations. I can use whatever specific camera I would be shooting on. I can change the angle. I could change the lighting. All that stuff can be controlled now in their software. And I can even host it across different projects, which is really cool. So let's say I was pitching on multiple different things at once. I could have different boards for all of these specific projects.
12:18It is the most powerful AI studio platform to date. And right now, if you sign it for their AI pro plan, you actually get 50 ,000 credits for the next seven days. So you better act fast. Go check it out. It's the top link in the description. Let's keep it rolling. Something that I learned when I was touring with Loud Luxury, because I asked them about performing Coachella, because I'm like, you guys are easily big enough of an artist and do enough big festivals to be able to play Coachella. But they told me that every artist typically only does Coachella once, typically, like 90 to 95 percent.
12:48There's a few artists, Disclosure performed this year for, I believe the third time Rufus DeSouza performed like three or four times. But they learned that from Tiesto. They said, because most artists only perform probably once, you have to choose the right moment to headline. And so I think the reason why Bieber decided to do Coachella this year is because in 2025, he dropped Swag One and Two. So there's a reason for him to do the performance. And so I think you can also look at the performance as, yes, he headlined Coachella, but it's also a huge marketing play for one, his album. This tour potential.
13:31The tour potential and launching this new clothing line. And we hear that there's supposed to be a Netflix doc about the buildup that's in the works. So you have like a little quadruple, you know, punch happening all at once. And if he drops this tour, people are so like hot off of the press for wanting to see him live and then you have i even think he had a better performance weekend too like you told me that's what you're saying i didn't get to watch the performance weekend too but a lot of people are saying that it was better and i was super happy with weekend one yeah so you know i think um keeps people wanting more you're like okay you're dropping you're dropping another show i'll go on the topic of the netflix documentary that bieber is supposedly putting out this happened for the first time i believe in 2018 when Beyonce performed.
14:16She was the first one to do a Netflix documentary around her performance. And that's interesting because like you just brought up, this person or this brand is getting multiple squeezes out of the orange. And it's not just like, let me go on stage and perform. It's like, let me put, let me invest a lot of money into stage production around a new album or announcing a tour that I'm going to do, putting out different merch, and then also double dipping and creating even more media. And you get, you get all this attention around, you know, weekend one and weekend two, then the, then the doc comes out and you get, you're almost repurposing the performance in another way, AKA.
15:03Dude, Bieber had a YouTube video, cut it down to short form. You know what I'm saying? That's the play. That is the play the creators can take from this, man. You have your like long form, bigger thing. And then you got the snackable pieces that kind of come along with it. Yeah. And, you know, we're talking about, you know, brands activating. And there's so many different ways that you can obviously have the brand activation is like the world build out. You're selling the merch, but then you're creating so many different pieces of content around the activation that you're creating. And like if you're a creator or a brand, think about how many different ways you can, you know, squeeze the juice out of this thing that you're creating and how many ways can you repurpose content and, you know, drive as much attention as you can to what you're building out.
15:48So Coachella posted on Instagram specifically, 234 times from April 9th to today. Which is funny because I was looking at you counting and you counted individually and I so badly wanted to look at you and say, you can just count the rows and And then multiply by three. I didn't think there was going to be that many. I thought there was only like 15 rows, man. I didn't realize it was going to go that long. But anyways, 234, like, could be way more, dude. Okay, let me just, let me go back. My time at the Lakers, if we had a banger playoff night, I could leave the night, me personally contributing 12 or 13 pieces myself.
16:26Sure. Just me. So realistically, at the end of the night, I remember like big games where I'd go back and total them up because I was always curious. we'd post 50 something times in an evening and i think that for bieber alone bieber alone yeah 15 20 could have went up and no one would have batted an eye and i think a big a big problem that a lot of brands uh like they think is if like oh if we post a ton it kind of like dilutes this moment everyone's not going to see everything like no one's going to see every single thing you post unless they want to like unless they're consuming it and they're like want more i was one of the people that wanted more.
17:01I would have loved to see like 20 posts from Bieber's thing. I would have loved to see him walking out in the crowd going absolutely ballistic. Same thing with Sabrina. Same thing with Carol G. Those are moments that I think they didn't capitalize on. They posted only a few different things from the bigger sets. And I'm like, why are we not getting like iPhone from the crowd? There should have been like a Coachella shooter iPhone in the crowd. Boom, front row. They get the clip. It's posted immediately. It should have been posted like in real time something i think coachella could have done a better job of one yes more iphone stuff but having like coachella creators specifically on the ground the coachella creators club we're going to start that that's what needs to happen sign us sign us i think that because it's such a moment and people are granted there are it's so interesting because i was i was watching a mao p interview of him talking about coachella and he's like i actually didn't understand and fully comprehend how big Coachella was going to be for me as an artist.
18:01He's like, I knew that there was a ton of people at the festival, but he's like, there's millions of people on social media watching the live stream. He's like, it has the opportunity to really put an artist into the stratosphere. I remember it happened with Fred again. Fred again had an insane Coachella set and it kind of started him on this insane trajectory so what i think that coachella missed out on is just raw iphone stuff quick flip dude that's quick flip that's the difference maker behind the scenes like people want to see what it's like in the artist section behind the scenes i also think that they they missed the mark i think coachella missed the mark on really showcasing everything that encompasses the festival.
18:53I think they were a little too heavy on the performances themselves. I think they didn't post enough even about all of the performances that were happening, but the fans are such a big part of the festival. And there was a few carousels. Like I saw one that was the people that were at the barricade for Carol G. So there was like a collaborate, or not a collaboration, a carousel of like 10 or 15 fans that were like posted up in their fits that were specific to like her thing. That's great. Photos? Yeah, photos. There should have been more of that though. It should have been like the, dude, the Bieber barricade run should have been a thing.
19:28Why are we not on a Ronin following them to the barricade? Like full sprint, like see who's going to get there first. Like, why aren't you interviewing some of these fans? That's what I'm saying. We should have been like, it should have been mini Mike and be like, who's going to get the barricade first? This guy's like, I ran track in college. I'm for sure getting to the barricade first. And then it's a full sprint. Like they should have been on a golf cart. Golf cart ready? 100%. Barricade, yeah, exactly. Like, what's your favorite song? What are you most excited to see tonight? Like, that's the easy snackable shit.
19:53And if they don't want the feed to look all ugly with like UGC shit, just hide it in reels. That's what should happen. Because the quality of stuff that they posted was like, it's elite. It's like very high quality shit. Like really nice quality video, very high quality photography. It looks really pristine. I think we're missing just those other, it's tens of millions of eyeballs that could just be grabbed for very low lift stuff. That was missing. Another thing that, and I'm assuming Coachella does this on purpose. I don't know why. Okay, tell me. Whenever they're posting videos of the artists performing, it's never the fucking hit.
20:28Why are you not playing? Nah, it's got to be a problem. There has to be a problem with that. In my mind, I saw a video of them post Foster the People performing. Why are you not posting pumped up kicks? With everyone singing. That's what I'm saying. going nuts espresso i should see espresso you know or don't you think that don't you okay another big thing about coachella is there's um everybody always talks about how the uh the the crowds are dead okay i think they needed to post more stuff like in the pit or nga of people like raging or singing along because then it goes to show the actual fan experience i think they showcased such high quality of the artist yeah show me what it's like to like actually be at the festival in the crowd raging really enjoying we should have had a little insta 360 cam or something so like pov camera glasses camera something of like the actual performance in the pit or in an area where people were going off that would have been more fun you know it's funny i i didn't the areas that i was in everyone was singing i did i was never around a group where it was like people were standing straight up dude it's funny because they're i agree and even in the back too because i was and people were dancing people were having a good time it was fun i'll tell you something coachella nowadays looks very different for me compared to when i was first couple years mainly i still got that dog in me i still kind of want to you know push up front of the front of the crowd kind of rage and sarah catherine a little more reserved a little anxious with the big crowds doesn't love to get in there and i'm like maybe we should get a little closer a little far in the back but even when you're in the back uh even when you're in the back people are still dancing but i just think it's so funny because coachella has such a reputation for being this like influencer olympics crowds are dead uh people should be raging a lot harder and i think that that's just kind of what you see dude i think you'll find whatever you want to find yeah if you want to see that you only see that i was like i feel like that's the people that are looking for a reason to be in a shitty mood sure like i i never even was like looking left and right oh my god there's people taking pictures you ever been to fucking Disneyland it's the same shit dude it's the same exact thing just with families you know what I'm saying you know who had one of the best crowds to bunt yeah I was on the hill for that dude he played a really good little mashup and then he went in the crowd yeah you know what I'm talking about it was really good good for that guy um but long story short when it comes to Coachella and their social strategy it's the it's honestly the main reason why we wanted to make this episode part like obviously we went to Coachella we mainly went for Bieber and that was amazing we were just genuinely shocked as two guys who make content for brands every single week how much of a missed opportunity we felt like they had I think also there should have been a there should have been a BTS Coachella vlog okay hear me out there should have been a 15 to 20 minute long Coachella vlog from the day like 6 a.m to to like the day the last song of the day so you bop around to like all the different artists or all your bigger headliners or whatever and you also should be like interviewing people i i also love there's so much um so much media that gets repurposed by random brands that like show up and do like a mic series yeah there was one where it was like this one dude i don't know what his name is i don't know the outlet but he was like this is your guide to coachella 2026 all these brands are like hopping on their moment and they have the opportunity to just shit on all their moments because they have the access it's like you're going backstage maybe they're right behind the golf cart where the Bieber's driving up in it's like all those little moments that otherwise are like not possible to get that only you get if you have access at the festival another reason why and I just thought of this while you're talking another reason why I think they need to squeeze the juice more is because they're in business six days out of the year crazy so your your engagement and opportunity to post content throughout the year is a lot slimmer.
24:38Obviously, there's so much content that they can like repurpose and stuff throughout the year. But it's like, while the event's going on, why not go as hard as you can? And so the pre-sale for next year is going to go live in about eight days, which is crazy. So I'd anticipate leading up to the eight days, I already got a text. They're already texting you. They're like, hey, we're going to go live in eight days. Get your ticket pre-order it'll be the cheapest that it'll be they're riding the hype of the moment to get them back for round two okay this is something to take okay if you're making videos or photos you're doing shit for clients okay hear me out as soon as you deliver the thing and they're the most freaking happy or they've loved working with you you got a result boom it's talk about the next thing yeah it's lock in for the next thing and that way they're like at their peak happiness moment and they're running up the other time is like when people are the most sad okay so when When someone comes to you and they have a huge problem and they need it fixed, that's when you can sell people's shit.
25:32They're like, I have a huge problem and I need this tomorrow. Great. That's a moment that you can sell something. Or the moment people are super fired up and they're like, this was the best thing ever. Boom. Then we go in for the sell. I.E. They're going in for the sell right now. We're all super happy. You still have the serotonin boost of seeing the content. They're like, oh, by the way, the ticket's on sale. Boom. Gets you while you're hot. 100%. You know what I'm saying? They're like right in there. Something we didn't bring up about Bieber and his actual performance is the nostalgia play.
26:00Oh, the YouTube. With the YouTube. Okay, do you think YouTube paid for that shit? What do you think? What, for him to have YouTube premium? No, just I'm saying for him to... Can you imagine him doing ads? No, just for him to integrate that into the set. You don't think there's a play there? You really don't think there's a play there? For YouTube specifically? I think he called YouTube and said, this is what I'm thinking. toss your brother the bag. Oh, you think that YouTube paid Bieber? If Justin is a smart lad, which I believe Justin Bieber is a smart lad, I would have called YouTube and said, listen, I'm thinking of doing this.
26:36I want$5 million. Could have. I also... Do you think he did that? No. Really? Yeah, I don't think he called YouTube. I'd capitalize it. Dude, anything I'm wearing, I'm like, yeah, I'm wearing this hat. $5 million. Million dollars. Million dollars for the hat. Yeah. No, I mean, he's just... YouTube also integrated at Coachella's. That's why I think there is some sort of play there. Leaving Weekend 1, I had some mixed reviews about his set. From people or from yourself? From myself. Okay. I think he has arguably the best voice of any artist I've heard live. And I think it's hard to argue because he sounds fucking incredible.
27:19He sounds better live than he does on his actual recordings. What I was frustrated with personally, a personal expectation was I wanted to hear more music from Justice and Purpose. And I understand him wanting to play a lot of music from his new albums. And I thought it was cool how he did the YouTube stuff. just as a fan. I've gone to I've gone to shows where an artist hasn't played like one song that you really want to hear. And I'm like, damn, that's a bummer. But Bieber has so many hits that I'm like, damn, I wish you would have played slightly less of like the new stuff and a little bit more from Purpose and Justice.
28:04But then the other thing is as cool as the YouTube stuff was. and I think I understood the play a little bit more after the fact because he was just playing one minute snippets it was like you were getting into a song and then he stopped it and then there was a little bit of a lull and then he went into the next one and I'm like dude I was just jammed like he what for me personally he wasn't a little longer wanted a little bit longer a little bit longer but anyways long story short I think nostalgia is something a lot of brands need to start incorporating more into their marketing because the reaction that people had on social media to the nostalgia play that Bieber did, granted, it's kind of like a unicorn thing because Bieber's a one-on-one.
28:50We kind of grew up with him on YouTube. That's how we got his start. And so I thought it was cool that he did pull up the YouTube stuff. But I think that as a brand or a creator, if you can lean into the stuff that you grew up with and the nostalgia play, it hits a certain part of somebody's soul and makes somebody want to interact with you as a creator or a brand more. Without a doubt. Let's talk about the business model. Okay. Okay. This is interesting. So GA brings in$96 million, 96.1. Okay. VIP, 31.2 million. Sponsorships, 25 million. F &B, 22 million. What's F &B? Food and beverage. Food and beverage, 22 million.
29:33Merch, 10 million dollars. Shuttle, seven and a half. Parking and camping, 6 million. And the hotel package is 2.9. You had no idea what food and B was, huh? I was like, dude, shit. I have no idea what F &B could be, man. That's a crazy, 22 million dollars. Is that Facebook? Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. But they seemingly net about 68, 69 million dollars. So 34 % margins. Pretty profitable. You know what's crazy though is the first year they ever ran Coachella, they lost like 900k, the three guys. Yeah. It's amazing. They could have totally stopped. They were 900k in the hole. They just kept.
30:09They were like, we got something here. Kept, kept going. The sponsorships is an interesting thing because of how culturally relevant Coachella is, brands are willing to pay mad bread just to be there. like you were saying gap had an activation i wonder how much gap had to pay just to be able to activate at coachella did i mean multiple millions has to be has to be multiple millions but the reason why it's worth it is not because like it's like you got a hundred and or 220 ish thousand people from weekend one and weekend two to be like walking around it's a it's you know it's a free ad but i think not a free added paid a lot for the ad not a free ad here's what's interesting for a artist to make it onto the bill and perform at coachella is the it's like something you would put on your resume yeah it's like i have performed at coachella it is a stamp of approval and i feel like it is the same way with the brand if a brand is able to activate at Coachella, it ups their cool points a little bit.
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31:21I don't know if people are talking about Gap now because they activated at Coachella. Dude, and let's be real. I mean, Gap was in the shitter not that long ago. Like, right? I think so. Gap was a barren wasteland. You walk by that store, you're like, dude, it's funny. I actually went in there the other day with Chloe and I hadn't been in Gap since I was like a little kid. I popped in. I was like, this is cool shit. Like, this is like high quality denim these are cool shirts like nice very nice hoodies like yeah you know popping but i think what's interesting right i would have never said that had i not walked in there i was shocked at the men's collection i was like all right if i'm not mistaken the same people who own gap own banana republic and old navy okay i think could be totally messing that up banana Republic.
32:13I haven't been in a banana Republican in 20 years. You're sleeping on banana Republic. They got some cool stuff, but I don't think that they're granted. It's a little bit more like elevated like gap now that it's like, OK, they have this sick activation at Coachella. Really cool. Big cultural people wearing their stuff. Central Sea wearing the gap. It's like, OK, now you kind of see gap in a different light and you can't really do that. with like a just a regular campaign yeah yeah you you have to you have to like insert yourself into the conversation then also have figures that are rocking it they're like oh that's cool yeah you know what i mean which is the reason why um uh like celebrity or influencer endorsements are so important because you can't buy that through you can't buy that through like a commercial if that makes sense there's there's like a certain cool factor that certain individuals have and by collaborating with them holy shit there's a massive spider oh fuck oh shit should i pick it up what are you doing oh i got it dude you're picking up oh i got it we're gonna save oh he fell oh he's on my chair dude you're gonna take that thing outside or kill it yeah i'm gonna can get outside.
33:37I'm doing a good deed. Oh, I got him. Oh, shit. Wow. Oh, shit. Dude, you're a... Oh, I'm like a young Steve Irwin, dude. Dude, are you not... I'm like a young Steve Irwin, dog. I'm petrified of... Oh, he got it. Brother. Oh, this is an insane... You're not scared of it? No. Oh, dude, I hate spiders. Dude, I catch them all the time. Okay, take that shit outside. I'm trying to, but I gotta get my headphones up. Ah! Open the door. Wow. Alright, pause. pause for intermission okay anyways don't know where we were but gaps cool now there's no need to fret you guys got you guys got a younger one right here i think i could be in the fam that really impressed me thank you i appreciate that okay so this is interesting on the on the topic of brands integrating 12.5 percent of coachella's total revenue came from brands just paying to be there.
34:33No, that makes sense. Because even when I was at the Lakers, I remember I was very confused like how an NBA team made money. And I think a lot of people are like you would think a massive majority of it would be from merchandise. I would think tickets. OK, well, tickets for sure. I guess tickets and tickets and merch. Most people say merch. It's like one percent for most teams because the NBA owns the rights to the name of the jerseys like the Lakers don't own the Lakers. Oh, that's interesting. NBA owns it, so then the teams can't disband and go make their own. Like, you couldn't be like, oh, we're the biggest and we're the best, so the four of us are going to go make our own league and do this thing.
35:08So they don't really make much money from that. They make it from season ticket members, the media rights for where the station, like Spectrum, buys that for like$100 million. And then you have the brands, like the brand partnerships. The Lakers were like number one in brand partnerships or number two, I remember, if the Warriors beat us one year or something. But that's where they made a lot of their money. So I was like kind of eye opening to be like, oh, I'm making all these fucking videos. And this is how like the whole company makes money like off of these videos, which is kind of weird to think about.
35:37But that makes sense how they're making like American Express is there. They charge American Express up the ass, dude. Rivian was there. American Express. Gap. Who else am I missing? Like a lot. There's beverage brands that were there. They were alcoholic, I remember. But like all those brands are paying so much money to just like be a part of that weekend. and be a part of culture and like do something fun you know speaking of paying a lot of money oh this will be fun okay so uh i'm not going to name the company but my fiance okay works for a company all right and the company last year they threw a coachella party but it was the same night as a different party or something didn't go so well so then sarah catherine threw out the idea hey we should like invite creators and get a house and do that and we'll make content around that and like great idea so it's a startup and they spent money on a table for justin bieber night weekend two how much do you think they dropped on a table you get the table for the whole day the whole day um but it was uh in the artist section to watch bieber on the main stage 50 to 70 oh you're close you did not brenda it which i was surprised about uh 60 000 oh wow i was right in the pocket yeah dude you literally right in the pocket yeah that's about what i expected it'd be coach i was just so damn it's a damn money-making machine i also saw someone talking about how you know they got the sahara tent or like the you know the sahara experience where you get the artist wristband you pay like 25 000 for your camping thing yeah yeah they like they glamp basically but you're like right there right up in the festival i mean there's just so many different ways to make money it's interesting they have like an offer stack okay yeah you got the ga which is like everyone regular dagulars just like us we went ga well then there's a always going to be a percentage of people that are down to pay a little bit more so then you have your vips and then there's the rich ass fuckers in there are the vip group they're like yo i'm down to spend 10 what does 10 get me yeah and there's just elite levels to it all the way up because there's people I saw someone say that they spent they made a video about it was like 57 ,000 for their weekend for them and their significant other but they're rich it doesn't matter no sure no dense yeah but there's always going to be a percentage of people that if they transact with you they will be down to take the next step up and they're like oh I want more what does more get me oh it gets me a less walk well what is this next step up well it gets me this really nice camper and I don't have to walk at all AC yeah it's like yes you're going to have people that regular camp you're also going to have the luxury campers that are like I don't don't even want to get a hotel.
38:15I just want to be on the grounds ready to rock and roll. So whatever thing it is that you sell, there's always going to be a percentage of them that are down to do something that's either like, let's do more pieces of content, more hoodies, more whatever, like a better, more exclusive experience. Something that is so unique to Coachella that I don't know if I can think of anything besides maybe the Super Bowl, maybe F1. I was going to say F1. That can pull this off. Okay. You just said Coachella is releasing tickets for next year. We don't know who the fuck's performing. No. What other festival or what other event?
39:00What other thing can do that? What other thing can do that where people, they're going to sell their tickets. the tickets are going to go on sale it's going to sell out people have no fucking idea who is even performing next year yet I think they've just built so much you might be on the lineup I could, I could be on there they've just built so much trust that you know that they're going to go big and they have to one up it or they have to equal it out I think it's going to be really hard to one up Justin Bieber and get someone of that caliber but yeah you know that they're going to bring heavy hitters and now the media that they've collected throughout that you know throughout those two weekends is going to be what like drives it all the way they're just going to keep reminding you like Bieber remember how cool that was when we had this big of a person like we're gonna do that again and you guys should come who else do you think I don't know if any other artists genuinely could pull in no what Bieber can but like who do you think would maybe be close the only other person maybe be Taylor Swift I was going to say Taylor, but I think she sells out her shit anyways herself.
40:07She doesn't need it. She doesn't need it at all. She just did a billion dollars on the road. She's almost too damn big for the damn festival. But I would argue that... I don't think any artist could do the sellout of that many arenas around the globe consecutively. I think it's like one of one. it's pretty crazy it was the highest grossing tour in the world in history you don't think Bieber could do that? I mean I I think that like the artists that come to mind for me are are okay so Taylor Swift Beyonce Bieber Harry Styles does Mendes do it or is he not even maybe Bad Bunny Oh, Bad Bunny is a good one.
41:00Ed Sheeran is like always up there. I don't think Ed Sheeran is. I wasn't familiar with Carol G's game, but I mean, Carol G also has, you know, 71 million on Instagram. Yeah, she just launched her new tour as well. That is crazy. 71 million on the gram. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's like, that's insane. She put on a hell of a performance. I didn't even see it weekend one. I watched it weekend two. It was amazing on the TV. it's great pissed i should have went to it i went to cascade instead i know i know i messed that up big time another another thing that's interesting about uh the business side of coachella is how back in 2012 was actually the first year that they decided to split it up into two weekends so coachella was originally just one weekend and then 2022 they made the bet that uh scarcity was kind of just the perception online and like they could double down they have the room obviously they can leave it set up weekend after weekend and people would still pay to go it's not like there was uh was this the first time it was sold out is that a thing or no it was like was this the first time that it was sold out no i think i think coachella's been selling out okay to be honest okay wow um i just felt like there was way more people i saw i think i saw there was more tickets released this year because last year it did not feel like i stayed till the very end of post malone and i walked out free of like yeah a sea of people like there was obviously a shit ton of people that were leaving but it wasn't like bumper to bumper i can't move like you don't have a choice but to go the direction of the crowd did i just think that i think that's just like to be ber i bet you they did release more tickets um but it wasn't dude it's not even just like the prices of the tickets or the resale prices like it goes all the way down to hotel prices brother yeah airbnbs were canceling on people to try to double up on their bread like these hotels or airbnbs normally they're charging a fraction brother brother we we stayed at a such a mid hotel this place listen okay if you're going to coachella don't stay at the world market deal okay first of all room next to us bed bugs just a ton of bed bugs oh yeah room next to us bed bugs the uh the shuttle situation to get over there was totally fine and then you have the bieber effect on the second day yeah just a nightmare to get out of there well you text me you're like dude there was like a four hour wait for a shuttle crazy it's just like actually insane and they're like oh well it's actually only two i'm like you think that i'm gonna wait two fucking hours after the thing ends no i went out we went out i plugged a guy down i was like what's it gonna cost us to get there haggled with him for a second oh this is a good you're gonna like this so when i went out the first guy that i tried to to go at he had no idea that i was you know mr sales so i'm like what do you want to drive us to this place and he's like what are you willing to pay classic classic battles like i've never been i've never been more prepared for this moment i was like what do you want well i typically do this yeah he's like what do you want and then he's like what do you pay we're just going back and forth he was like the spider-man meme what do you want what do you pay I was like, well, now I'm like, I'm going to lowball you.
44:17So I'm like, I'll give you 40 bucks. Cause I want to know what this guy wanted. He's like, Hmm. He goes, he's like too low. I'm like, well, just tell me what you want. Tell me the number and we'll, we'll, we'll work from there. And he's like, 200. I go, you're not getting 200. I go, dude, you're not even going to make 200 on any ride tonight. Like, let's be real. I'll give you 75 bucks. And then he's like, starts thinking about it. Cause realistically, I'm like, I'm down to pay about a hundred to$150 for this fucking ride. he's like I'll do it for 100 pull out the hundred dollar bill he had a ride already on his uber for 30 bucks and he's like I have a ride already I'm like dude it's 100 bucks you just said yes to 100 bucks he goes I can't do it I can't do it and then he just left so he wasn't down but the next guy he told me he wanted 200 bucks and I'm like nah I'll do it for or he wanted 250 and I'm like I'd do it for 100 knowing I'd go up to 150 and goes 200 I'm like I'll do it for 150 like right now like we'll hop in right now you're not gonna ride for 150 and he's like you're right we caught it for 150 and it took us like 30 seconds to find that guy it was like first guy it was a no second guy auto yes but uh yeah i was like i'm never been more prepared to haggle with these guys dude i have the uber guys i was ready dude i forgot about this so i also had a what i thought was bed bugs at our hotel just learned just turned out to be a little bit of lint on the sheets anyways so we check into the hotel and then me and sarah catherine both get in to bed we go to sleep wake up in the morning i go to get coffee and she's like i think we have serious fucking bed bugs and i was like what are you talking about so she pulls back the duvet and there's like a bunch of stuff which is just lint from dirty sheets or i don't even know if it was dirty sheets i think it was just a bunch of lint from the wash sheets whatever so i go to call the manager because you think it's bed bugs because i think it's bed bugs i go you got to come check this out we got some we got a serious issue an infestation infestation long story short he gets the cleaner come over they're like it's not bed bugs because if it was bed bugs or bed bugs feces if you like touch it there would be blood and i was like okay cool i go regardless it's fucking dirty sheets and this is insane i need you to talk to like a manager because i need to be compensated so you went full karen i did go full karen i went full b figgy yeah that's exactly what i would do long story short gotta have leverage though yeah you didn't have much leverage did you have a photo of it and shit yeah we recorded it all right i was like this can get really bad for your hotel so then so then he's like let me talk to the man let me talk to the owner of the hotel will get you situated i bump into him like 30 minutes later he's like uh he goes i just talked to them they're gonna put a room credit on your room if you don't use that credit like it'll be bumped back like you'll be uh credited back to your thing i go okay do you i was like how much could a fucking room credit be it's like do you know how much it is he's like i don't that's all they told me um but we can figure it out okay okay cool i'm just gonna enjoy the festival we He's still got a whole weekend to go.
47:24I check out on the last day. There's a new general manager. I go up to her and I say, hey, I'm checking out. Just wanted to check in. Michael told me about the credit. I just wanted to see if you had any idea of how much it was. $3? $50. That's rude. I go, well. That's rude. I go, now you just pissed me off. I go, Michael's not here, so I can't go. I'm like, this poor lady can't shoot the messenger. Yeah, you got to be mad at Michael. I go. Michael screwed you. Yeah, I go, you need to tell Michael. I go, you know, better yet, give me Michael's number. And so then she goes, just call the hotel.
48:03He'll be here tomorrow. I go, okay, cool. So I call in the morning. I go, hey, Michael, you remember me? Your worst nightmare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I go, remember the bed bug situation thing? Dirty sheets? And he's like, yeah. I go, you know, do you think$50 is acceptable? And I start kind of like leaning to him. And then he pulls the whole, like, it wasn't me. It was the owner. Like, I can't say, blah, blah, blah. I go, I need you to tell them that like, I'm looking for a full night compensation. And like, I go, between me and my fiance, we have 250 ,000 followers on social media. And I work in hospitality.
48:40I don't think you want to like go down this hole. So we're going to, you're the You're the worst. You're the worst. And so, well, dude, if they would have given me like, if they would have given me a decent discount, I would have been like totally fine. I got so mad that they were like dirty sheets, bed bug situation that wasn't really bed bugs. But like all you're offering me is$50. Like it's disrespectful. So now I'm pissed off and it takes a lot for me to get pissed off. So you're going to give me a full night refund. And anyways, she sent me a text saying that they gave me the full refund.
49:12You got a full night. Yeah. Wow. that's great that's amazing sometimes you just gotta haggle i didn't used to be like this and then we became friends and then you started to haggle dude just depends man dude hey you can handle it one way or two ways man you can be nice yeah give me listen we can do this the easy way or the hard way anything else you want to talk about on the business of coachella i think that really covers the yeah the the business of the one of the most valuable entertainment you know things in the world i just think it's insane that a business that is only technically open six days a year generates close to 70 million dollars granted i understand that there's the whole business year round of booking talent getting everything situated but the fact that it is just two weekends a year and generating 70 million dollars is crazy dude but i i bet it just sucks to deal with these artists i think it's the worst yes i bet it's miserable to deal with all of these fucking managers and their stupid questions and like haggling how much the rate is and then they're like oh my artist does this is like listen dude no one gives a shit about your artist at 3 p.m that's going on this random stage it's bieber cello you understand it's sabrina cello carol jesus that's who they care about they probably realistically are like who are the top 10 folks that we got to get to bring these people here yes and then everyone else really doesn't matter it just like all right you want 50 000 for the day sure like just get them in here it doesn't really matter it's the it's the headliners and then it's the your front row line your top line that's it and then it's like a handful of like because i didn't know i i realistically didn't know sure any anyone else i was like not tapped in i know people you're just not i know people you're not that culture when it comes to music and it's all good i know people but i think it was uh i think it was it was shocked so yeah anyways are you gonna go back to coach i'm back i'll be there boom really I'm there I might retire you really I think I might hang my jerseys up in the rafters that's what happens when you hit 30 you just can't it huh I got two years left in me I me personally I was just like I've seen I've seen like arguably the biggest person I would want to see at Coachella uh I was there when Beyonce performed I was there when Harry Styles headline the one artist I would love to see two artists that I would love to see headline Coachella personally are Adele and Coldplay.
51:36I think they would be unbelievable headliners. But I think that like because I've done Coachella eight years, I'm like, I feel like I've done it. If something just so happens where... If it would excite you, you would go back. Yeah. And I'm never going GA again. Okay. Wow. You know, I just, what's the line? I just don't think that at this point in my life I'm meant to suffer. What's the line from The White Lotus? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I'm gonna be skipping that line man I'm skipping the line next year how do we get artist bands yeah this is the real question we need to find we need to make friends with someone that is an artist dude I went to this is totally off topic I went to the desert on Monday I've never really I've never had a 3 a.m call time never I've never had it actually no um lobby call different than call time yeah call time like we had to be ready to go we drove to the desert just pitch black all the way out from LA to the Mojave Desert and we were filming a rocket launch.
52:34Shit was insane, dude. I had a camera that was a thousand frames per second and it's only in frame for maybe two seconds. If that, like this rocket was so quick. It went all the way up to 40 ,000 feet. It was the craziest thing I'd ever seen. And what was the rocket launch for? This rocket is going to be for like a defense company and it's going to be able to like go out and shoot down missiles. If If something was being attacked, it's going to go up and like... Nice. Which is crazy. But it was the first launch ever for this space company. We were filming it for them. Was it successful? Yeah, it was very successful.
53:07But dude, they lost the top part of the rocket. I guess it was really expensive. It wasn't near there, which yeah, they were sad. You think you'd need that? Yeah, they're going to just have to build another one. But we filmed them a really cool video. Oh, meaning they lost it when it was launched? Yeah, it launched and then up in the air was supposed to stay together and that piece did not come back down. Someone's getting fired. someone's in trouble for that part not coming back down. But it was really cool. It was a very, very successful launch. They were stoked on it and it worked. And it was just different.
53:37I mean, it's cool to film different stuff. It is cool to film different stuff. Cool to different, yeah. Now that we're just bullshitting, did you see that Tim Cook's stepping down as CEO of Apple? Put in 15. Huh? They said it was another guy that had been there for a long time. Oh, okay. Yeah, dude, you got to promote internally. Yeah. Predecessor. Let's see. His. Oh, no, not predecessor. Successor. Predecessor. You need a predator. Still can't believe that. We should talk about that. John Ternus, their current senior VP of hardware engineering. Let me see what he looks like. White. Just a white dude.
54:16Effective September 1st, 2026. He'll transition out. Ternus is a 25-year Apple veteran. He's led key hardware projects, including the transition to Apple Silicon as considered a key leader for the company's future. I wonder who else was like in conversation. Yeah. And what do you think Tim Cook's going to do? Tim is, Tim, how old is Tim? Tim is like 65. You think he's just retiring? Yeah. Oh yeah, he's done. He'll just sit on the board. He's 60 something, I think. 65. Yeah, he's 65. I would just chill. Tim Cook has the most insane routine. It's like he gets up at 4 a.m. every day. Oh, really? Yeah, it's crazy.
54:51I listened to him talk about like his routine. Tim probably just wants to chill, man. Probably a good time to reach out and get him on the pod. That is the time. Tim, tell us about all the secrets. Tim wouldn't be able to talk about anything though, dude. 15 years, those CEOs, pretty crazy. I mean, they've continued domination, but now they're not doing the iPhone every year. People aren't buying these things, man. Yeah, you think Tim's a little stressed about the AI stuff? He's like, I just got, let me get out before it gets too crazy. Let this guy take over that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so is there not a new iPhone coming out this year?
55:22I believe not. I believe in September they're skipping because I think that this not really many. There was, honestly, there's nothing to be excited about besides it being orange. This is the same phone as the one I had before. Exact same. There's nothing different. Mine's like, mine's been glitchy, dude. Mine doesn't run smooth. Do you have the new one? Yeah, and I've tried restarting it like multiple times. You might have a bug in there, man. I know. We got to get that. I think I got a lemon. We got to get, yeah, we got to get you figured out with that one. Hope you guys have been liking the solo episodes.
55:48it's uh it's something that i think we're going to keep doing going into this year and i think we're going to be talking more about creative stuff again yeah back to the photo video stuff dude just back yeah we're just we're going to go back to it what do you want to talk about when it comes to that kind of stuff i don't know man you guys are going to have to let us know no i'm talking about like we can cut this but do you want to kind of say some shit about yeah okay i'm down so then we'll leave it in yeah yeah i think we're i think for a period of time we had saw that the pod was getting a ton of viewership in the more business space and we took it that way and as we as we've like grown in that world i think it's gotten increasingly harder to get guests on and if you guys are wondering like the whole thing for a pod is the guests right like that is that is how you grow a successful show and dealing with people's schedules and business land makes me want to put a knife in my eyeball.
56:46I also think when we first started the podcast, we had these dreams and aspirations of making it this massive, massive show. And I think as the years have gone on, would we like more subs and more views? Absolutely. but I don't think that's necessarily like our mo anymore I think we kind of just want it to be something that is sustainable like what can we do to do this for quite a long time yeah because we're at a point right now just like full transparent fully transparently we're like we have one guest scheduled for next weekend and then no guests no guests and so it's tough it's also the pod isn't our the pod is not our full-time job by any means but it takes up a full-time job worth of time worth of time yeah and so thinking about like how do we keep doing the pod every week and we are still on we're shooting all the time we're filming shit all the time we're doing projects for clients and i think there's still so much value we can bring into creative world also the way we've been doing it because of how much time and effort goes into like booking a guest it has but it has started to feel um it's like a job that you don't want yes and like me and brayden our favorite part about podcasting is just sitting down in this chair shooting the shit giving some game away and it started to turn into something that was It's just stressing us out way more than it needed to be, especially for something that isn't our full-time thing.
58:33Yeah. I'm also curious what you guys want to hear. For those of you two that have followed us for the last four years, what excited you the most about the show during this time period? What do you feel like we should keep doing going forward? Because we want to be of service. I think there's a lot to still cover. I think there's like many episodes that we can do solo. And, you know, like I'm going to Indiana next week for a week. And I think I got to shoot in Miami in a few weeks. But, you know, still actively making so many videos for brands. So anything that we can do to help you on your journey, I think it will be cool.
59:12And if there's anyone that you want to hear us talk to that you're like dying for us to interview that are in the creative world, like send them our way and we'll see what we can do to DM some of those people. I think though going forward, it'll be less guest episodes, but we'll try obviously to get the biggest and best people that we can on in the space. And I also think it'll be probably less focused around founders selling like physical things and more so people just in the social media space, photographers, videographers. Yeah, like DPs, directors, you know, people that are more in the creative realm.
59:50Because I think we were also thinking like, okay, if we go this business route, right? If we go the business route, there's only realistically so many people that are forward-facing, that are down to come on something like this. Sure. That's another thing that I think we're contemplating in this transitionary period is like, okay, well, you have some of these people on that are doing awesome things. Great. Well, there's only 10 of them that we would be interested in talking to. Sure. You know, or even or like you snap your fingers in a year, you have all of them, which is what I feel like we're running into in photo video land in a way.
1:00:28But I think that if we can keep tailoring the conversations around. But I also work the work that we're doing. But I also think the reason we were thinking about that for the photo video stuff was trying to grow was trying to grow. Exactly. And I think that if we kind of obviously you want the show to grow. But like if we take the pressure off of ourselves of feeling like we need the show to get to a certain number or needs to grow and get a certain amount of viewership, like if you forget that, it's like, great. I think the amount of people that we are then willing to have on the show. And there's a lot of people where we felt like the conversation would be really good.
1:01:04They weren't big enough. They weren't maybe big enough or we didn't think that they would bring in a certain amount of viewership. So we kind of pass on the conversation. And now if we don't really care about it and we just kind of want to have a great show and it's something where you guys tune in, hang out with us every single week, tell a friend about it so that the show grows like organically. That's all we can kind of ask for. Yeah. And I think I think getting back to like the roots of 505. Yeah. It's going to be really fun. And don't worry, I've fucking read your guys mean comments. You guys are assholes.
1:01:37It's all good. I love you guys. Anyways, that's it. we love you send me a nice comment yeah dude dude send me a nice one and share this with a friend dude tell your mom about the pod it's been super fun hope you guys like this episode we'll see you guys all next week make sure to hit the subscribe button drop us a comment leave us a like we'll see you guys all soon peace
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