Ahead Of The Joke with Johnny Knoxville & Andrew DeYoung

0:05Hey, and welcome back to the A24 podcast. For today's episode, we paired up Friendship writer-director and jackass superfan Andrew DeYoung with his idol, Johnny Knoxville. Trust us when we say you want to see Friendship on the big screen in a crowded theater. It's now playing in New York and L.A. and expands nationwide on May 23rd. Here's Andrew and Johnny. Hi, I'm Andrew DeYoung. And my name is Johnny Knoxville, and this is the A24 Podcast. Wait, where'd you come from today? The fighting town of Toluca Lake. Okay, cool. Fight in town. Yes. Okay, nice. No, it's not a fight in town. And yourself?

0:42Pasadena. All right. Dude, it's so good to be here with you. Nice to meet you. Nice to be here. I saw Friendship, your new film, and it is fantastic. It is so fucking uncomfortable. I mean, I'm just - Huge compliment. But in a wonderful way. Yeah, yeah, thank you. The situations, you're just like, oh no, don't, please. Don't, don't do that. I was doing it okay he's doing it it's even worse than I thought what he's doing that's it was so it's just it's one of those things you have to see in a theater it would be fun to watch with a bunch of people I just watched it with my friend and agent Ryan and we were just both yelling at the screen the whole time oh my god at it in a theater at home in a theater okay Wow so I can imagine what it's like with a pack theater have you watched it with a theater Yeah, yeah.

1:34Are people yelling at the screen or was that just me? We premiered at TIFF in a theater that was like a thousand people. And I think it gave me brain damage in terms of like, how can I ever not try to get back to this moment? Which I'm sure you've experienced a bunch of times. Because it was just the experience was so good for you. It's so like just so much laughter, big laughter, things that people were laughing at that I didn't really think were like necessarily funny. Yeah, there was a lot of that with me too. I was probably laughing inappropriately. Which is so thrilling for me. My favorite kind of laughter is laughing but not sure why.

2:15Yeah, yeah. And something deep down is like, I don't know how to articulate it, but it's like trying to do that. Because you feel like you're not supposed to laugh at that. Exactly. But inside you're like, oh God, you can't help it. Yeah, like a catharsis. Well, I feel like so much what you do, the brilliance of that too is like - Brilliance. I mean, I truly, I truly deep down, like we'll get right into it. Like so much of that laughter comes from to me, like how uncomfortable that is, how like primal and how honest. Well, that's one of the things, one of the, one of the things we have going for us is jackass is silly, but it's honest because everything's real.

2:51Totally. And I think, yeah, you person walks, person falls down. It's just, you know, like you said, primal, it's just, it's reflexive laugh. It's ancient. Yeah. But, God, I was just, the Tim Robinson character feels like a cross between Napoleon Dynamite and Rupert Pupkin. Okay, great. Yeah, King of Comedy was a huge influence on the movie. Oh, my God. Hello. Moshi Moshi. We're going to keep that in, Dave. It was, I spent like a good portion of the movie trying to figure out his diagnosis. Okay, what'd you bounce between? I can't figure it out. I mean, he seems to be a little on the spectrum, but there's also a lot of rage.

3:40Sure. I don't know. Do you know the diagnosis? I mean, when you diagnose him, you're probably going to diagnose me by default. Oh, really? Probably. That's an extension of you? I mean, don't you think when we write stuff, it's an extension of me? I feel like it's an extension of me. Well, I don't know. There's many characters in the movie. You could have dedicated any of the characters to yourself. I relate to a lot. I'm pushing him in versions of me probably in this character to the extreme. But a lot of it is like me, my dad, and like friends and things I've noticed. You and your father had social anxiety?

4:14Certain things of like covering, like it's so funny watching people hide. Right. And Tim is like, I feel so brilliant at hiding. and so much of his comedy comes from like him squirming to hide the truth right and i feel like i like i do it i've seen my dad do it and like so many men have to do it too you know like there's a lie and we're covering it up and i find it's so tragic and so funny have you gotten better about being honest with your feelings i think so i try you're being pretty honest right now yeah i mean in social situations, interpersonal relationships. Over the years, for sure, for sure.

4:53How are you with it? Well, I finally reached a point in my life where I am honest. And it's embarrassing. I mean, in my relationship. And that's embarrassing to admit as a 54-year-old man. I feel like I'm the healthiest I've been in my life. So the relationship is like legitimate, healthy, wonderful relationship. Amazing. And that I don't have any secrets from this person. Huge. Where in the past I always did. And it's also embarrassing to admit how wonderful it feels not to keep secrets. Absolutely. It. Yeah. It eats you up. Like, I have a little anxiety anyway, and having to remember your lies.

5:49Sure, sure. It's a nightmare. It's terrible. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. Yeah. And it just feels wonderful to be like, okay, you know everything. I don't have to hide. It's so medicinal to just speak the truth. Yeah. It's so much easier. It's so much easier, even though it's hard and could be difficult and have some major consequences, right? But like as I'm 42, so I've learned all the and still learning. I'm still constantly practicing like, OK, how do I be honest? How do I let people have hard feelings? You know, and and I think deep down this movie is like watching the fun of it for me is watching someone not like bury secrets and then squirm and watch secrets destroy their life, essentially.

6:38and by the end hopefully realize that like truth is is the only way forward as messy as it is ideally that's what i'm scratching it yeah well it as a person who has kept secrets and hasn't always been truthful it is uh that comes across because you just you just not as intensely as in your sure sure sure i mean your movie is an intense version of that of course yeah yeah hopefully it's like a catharsis for an audience to do the things that we repress yes and paul rudd's great in it like and he's his characters slowly revealed you know and that's how i took it you know he comes across as this handsome sure everything going for him confident guy but then he's like he has so much pathos and self-doubt sure and uh you knocked it out of the park kid hey thank you i mean well it's funny it's like i was re-watching uh jackass forever and which is like truly one of my favorite movies of all time oh my goodness well thank you truly i i was that whole year i'm like this is the movie of the year why don't people understand it the ideas in this movie but i i bring it up right now because like you're talking about the paul character and like him his secret being revealed right and it reminded me in jackass forever where you're on the ground and you're like are you filming my bald spot you know oh right right and then spike comes and fills it in yeah yeah right he's always got my back and i'm like you know i know that's like oh you know it's there you're kind of playing with vulnerability there you're clearly like comfortable with it but i'm like that's so funny because it was in my head yeah because it's in your head you're playing with it yeah yeah and it's so and all men are dealing like i take hair pills right we're all like and we know that i do too yeah insecurities and free to kind of call it out and it to be like jokingly accepted and covered up by spike your your longtime friend yeah is so beautiful and so funny and so touching and watching it the other day i was like oh that's kind of like similar what i'm trying to do with all my work is this or even in my friendships and like revealing and then they kind of we could laugh about our insecurities together get ahead of the joke get ahead you gotta get ahead of it that's the key that is the key get ahead of the joke is so yeah truth it just takes a little self-awareness especially if you're on a brutal set like jackass that joke's coming absolutely Okay, yeah, we got to get ahead of it.

9:20That's really funny. Do you feel like you're constantly over the years like, okay, I got to get ahead of, and constantly like almost hypervigilant, like they're going to look for my weak spots? No, I just naturally there's self-deprecating sense of humor in my family, so it just comes out, you know. Sure. But I got to say, having the gray hair now has really helped that bald spot. Okay, well, oh, it's really like helps blend? Yeah. You don't even, you barely even notice it. What are we doing? Because when you got the dark hair or when I had, quote, dark hair. Yeah, yeah. Died. Yeah. You know, it sticks out.

10:00I mean, your hair looks great. The contrast. Oh, stop. Stop. What are we doing? You want to share the secrets here? Jesus Christ. What kind of secrets? I'm doing the pills. Secrets of. Yeah. What do you do? We don't have to talk about that if it feels. No, no, no. I, what is it? Take finasteride or something. I don't know what it is, but it's supposed to help your hair. Same. It helps me for sure. And I, yeah, there's no secret. Okay, good. It's working. It's working for sure. Because, you know, I always heard that, like, your hair is dependent on your maternal. Like genetics. Yeah, your mom's dad.

10:39Mom's dad. Okay. And he was bald as hell. I was like, oh, no. Of course. No, both. Oh, actually on both sides. both men both my grandfathers went bald but so far I'm holding up it's doing good I have a couple friends who've done the full transplant stuff which I'm like okay that's an option if I ever feel that insecure yeah I think you shouldn't have to do that if we go bald we just shave it or leave it be just accept it But because, yeah, a guy came in my restaurant. I used to wait tables years ago. And the guy, I guess he was mid-transplant. Okay. And he just had, he had all these dots from the front of his scalp to the back of his head.

11:32And talk about confidence. He just raw went into the restaurant. He just was sitting there eating his Chinese chicken salad. And I'm just trying not to stare at these dots in his head. He didn't give a shit. You didn't ask. Now that is like reaching the shore. You fully. Reaching the other shore. Yeah. The other side. Yeah. You fully mastered it. Well, it's like if he has that kind of confidence, why isn't he okay ball? Exactly. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, it's complicated. Sure, sure. I know. I know. Yeah, yeah. Of course. Of course. Yeah. I always remember that guy. I'm like, he just. I respect it.

12:08He didn't seem to care, but he cared. I respect him. I hope he's doing well right now. Yeah. I hope he's listening to this eventually. He's probably no longer with us. I'm sure he's not. This was like 30 years ago. He was pushing it then. Okay, I see. You know, I hope he is. I hope his family's doing well. God forbid. Yeah. Have you seen those videos of those, you know, that's like you go to Turkey and get really cheap ones done? Have you seen these videos of like people at the airport? I do like people traveling to other countries to get, you know, a cheap surgery done. Sure. It's, I wouldn't recommend it.

12:42I understand why they do it, but yeah. But what your point was. You know, there's these incredible videos online of like guys just coming from, because I guess like it's so expensive here that you go to Turkey, you get like a round trip flight, meals, board, whatever. And the surgery done and it's really inexpensive. The hair surgery? The hair surgery. And there's these videos in the airport of just like a camera scanning. And it's all these guys waiting for their flight home, just like their heads all wrapped up. Oh, wow. And it's like such a thing. Is it this one guy over there doing it? It's like a whole little cottage industry that's happening.

13:17And because someone brought it up to me and I was like, oh my God, that's wild. Because it's like 30 grand here. Hair transplants while you wait. While you wait. It's crazy. I was in Tennessee. I was in high school and it was at a flea market and a sign advertised tattoos while you wait. And I was wondering how else are you supposed to get tattoos? at a it was at a flea market you can't just leave your forearm and come back later wait what were they waiting at it like a flea market or something i did i had it's just it was a tattoo booth and but you can it's a good angle get them while you wait yeah yeah it's a good angle yeah yeah yeah whatever it takes but yeah to go back to your original like watching it in a room full of people for the first time was you know i'm sure i don't know how you how do you feel when you you know something's final you've seen it a thousand times i'm assuming you're involved in the end.

14:10I see it and I'm like, well, this is crap. This means nothing. And then you see it in a theater and then all these people, it's alive for them for the first time. And it's such a, it's like psychedelic. And with comedy, it's so beneficial to screen it with audiences because it's simple. They either laugh or they don't. And then, you know, we have a friends and family screening a couple of one or two of those and then we'll screen it two or three times before we release and it's just so it helps editing so much sure you know are the changes being made kind of tiny or based off of the reactions are you well it depends uh sometimes they're just you know a few re-edits here or whole bits will come out you're like well that didn't work like that didn't work like i thought it was going to okay interesting some bits you think this is going to kill this is people are going to like this crickets wow crickets and then some things you have no faith in that you didn't want to put in they'll love you can never it's tough to figure that out that must feel does that like disorient you in your gut no because i we don't take it personally uh so much of what we think works works and sometimes you don't know even when determining to shoot the ideas sometimes Jeff will come up with an idea I'm like I don't think so or I'll come up with an idea and everyone be like that's that's not going to work let's not sure and but Jeff and I know enough to know that we're wrong a lot okay and so we end up shooting it and it works yeah most of the time and so we we give give each other that grace one of the few graces we give one another okay it's like okay i don't think that's gonna work but let's shoot it yeah yeah and with what we do you just take so many chances as far as like let's just throw everything against the wall and totally be as open to the process as possible so much about surprise right i could feel like a kind of maybe a idea you don't totally believe in could lead to once you shoot it something incredible happens right oh absolutely yeah you know we have rainy day ideas like we'll have all these ideas that we plan to shoot but if something happens during the day or rains or something vice versa uh not vice versa but if uh we have a list of ideas that pretty much nothing ideas like get six tubes of crazy glue and see what happens that literally it was the whole thing and okay in a really good bit and jackass too with that yeah yeah so you never know with the helmets the helmets no no it was we ended up super gluing we man impressed in the 69 together bam uh super glued his hand to his dad's hairy chest and pulled his hand off and it was super hairy and incredible i tried one which i I can't this I don't I felt like I really dodged a bullet while we were shooting this and kids do not do this at home.

17:25I thought it would be funny to put the super glue around my mouth and chin and super glue my face to Phil's chest so I'd have a goatee. But what happened was I just got I was just doing nothing but inhaling the super glue. Oh, God. And the room started spinning. I almost passed out. Oh, God. It was almost dark. Oh, God. And you couldn't even do the bit. No, no. It was, no. Oh, my God. We had to, yeah. Terrifying. Well, I don't know if I was terrified, but I did realize that I was almost in deep waters. Sure, sure. But that was fun. Sometimes you get surprises you don't want. Oh, there's lots of surprises.

18:11Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting in my movie, Tim doesn't really like to improvise. Really? And, you know, there's things that he's, he comes from the improv world. Of course, like brilliantly funny person in the moment. And he's always like, he adds on to little things and stuff like that. But he's really kind of anti, like whole cloth improv. Especially in his, I haven't worked on his, I think you should leave. But just knowing, like I did a pilot with him and just knowing him and Zach, his writing partner's process. they're really precise about writing but it doesn't feel that way it has its own like aliveness and kind of spontaneity to it too and he loves you and what oh that's very kind i think he's super funny and it's interesting like these different pathways to get to a laugh you know and i also come from improv and have such a desire to create surprise not i mean you guys what you guys do is something i can't do well we don't know what's going we don't have any idea what's going to happen so we're surprised with everyone else that's incredible to create those conditions for surprise right and then roll with it is something that's like yeah some days you're gonna you're gonna might pass out it's gonna go a little dark and some days you're gonna get like yeah incredible beautiful stuff that that we see in in the work i don't know i'm just i really like that like setting up for surprise because i kind of i find it so rare in like i do a lot of tv i I feel like people are constantly trying to kill surprise.

19:35Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. They just, some directors I've worked with, they only like to stick to the script. Sure. And some will be like, okay, this take, do whatever. We got the other, we got the script. So do whatever you want. Sure. That's always fun for me. You know, I've worked with John Waters, who I absolutely adore. Amazing. The greatest dinner guest of all time. You know, people are like, well, if you have five people you would like to have dinner with. John Waters is the first person I want at that dinner. Wow. He's just, you cannot bring up a subject that he doesn't have articulate, hilarious take on.

20:19Amazing. He's so well read and, you know, you go to his house. You can't even sit down because there's books stacked 10 high in every chair on every couch. He gets like 100 magazines a month. Magazines really don't exist anymore. It really sucks going to the airport. I used to love going to the airport. I would spend$75 on magazines and now there's none to buy. You would never bring your stuff to the airport? You would just go and load up on magazines? Oh, absolutely. What were your magazines of choice? Popular Science was one of my favorites. Respect, respect. because I could see all these I come across some silly gadget I'm like I can use that on one of the guys okay sure and I got so a lot of ideas out of that but um the reason I brought up John Waters is like he really wants to stick to the script okay and like he has a cadence in his head too Oh.

21:13Yeah. And he'll give line readings. And I have no problem at all receiving a line reading from a master like John Waters. I actually loved it because they're so specific. Wow. Yeah. Is he giving you readings from like take one or is he letting you get one in yourself? He knows how he wants to have it. Like he'll get the script and read the whole script in each character's voice. Wow. And so you're kind of just doing your version of his take, which I, again, I think is wonderful. I love John. John, I will do whatever you want. You know, that's incredible. Yeah. And the other actors on set, did they have a similar positive response?

22:01Some were, they were a little puzzled, but again, they ended up at like, it's John Waters. What do you need? Sure, sure, sure. I mean, what a legend. He does that with Tracy Ullman. He did that with everyone and everyone just accepted it. You're on John Waters' ride. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of amazing. And it's a wonderful ride. Yeah, for sure. I mean, to have a vision, a director with a vision that clear is rare. Yeah. It's like really amazing. He's fantastic. That's so great to hear. He has this myth about him, like this hitchhiking myth, right? I don't know if you know, like people are like, we just picked up John Waters on the side.

22:36You know, it's incredible. Like he's on another plane. Yeah. He has reached the shore as well. Oh, clearly. A long time ago, for sure. I was going, oh, my fiance worked on Tim's show. Oh, amazing. Yeah, yeah. She had a lot of great things to say about him. She was the costume designer. Oh, amazing. So she was going to work on the second season, but she took Jackass forever instead. This makes sense. Yeah. This makes total sense. Tim's the best dude. You guys haven't met. No, I don't think so. Okay, you guys should issue me. But I've had a few concussions, so we may have spent time together. Sure, sure, sure.

23:11I wish I was joking. He's the best. He's the best dude. You guys, we should connect y 'all. Is it a heightened version of himself that he's playing? Oh, 100%. Yeah, 100%. I mean, all this, like, I think we're versions of what we make deep down. So I think he's just like I am the character that he plays in a lot of ways. He's also a lot of his characters in, too. But nicest guy in the world. Yeah. And so sweet and caring and loves his friends and stuff. And cares about comedy so much. Like, he really is someone I get a lot of kind of encouragement from when I feel I waver, maybe second guess my gut.

23:54sometimes he's like so confident in what he does. Even if stuff he's like, it doesn't work in the public. He's like, I like it. Right. And there's something about that where I'm just like, it's kind of amazing. Yeah. It's like that guy with the plugs in his head. It's the guy with the plugs. He's like, I'm getting Chinese food. I don't give a fuck. I look insane. I don't give it. He probably didn't even think about it. He's like, oh yeah, I got hair plugs. I'm getting Chinese food. I wish I had that guy's confidence. How does one get that? I'm like, are you born with it? Are you just like, because I'm constantly like the confident stuff of like, you know, waiver.

24:29It's a wavering all the time. Yeah. I don't know. You seem like you have that. There's a thing like you got to have the right amount of confidence because too little confidence is a problem. Sure. But I think too much confidence is a worse problem. Totally agree. That is a real, you've met those people. Yeah. How do you navigate that? Especially as success came to you, was that something you had to navigate? No, no. I, no. Too much confidence? No. My problem wasn't too much confidence. I always, I would err on the side of too little confidence. Oh, wow. Especially early, you know, growing up. Part of me is like, well, I'm as funny as the next guy.

25:08And then part of me is like, one day people are going to find out you're not funny. Wow. That's always been there? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But over the years, I'm like, all right, I'm reasonably funny. I, you know, I, it's kind of where I ended up. you know everyone has their sure it's because you come across very confident not in a toxic way just like you very you seem very sure not overconfident not over well i know where you're talking about and it's scary not in a steven seagal type of way god bless steven this is a pro steven seagal podcast for sure no yeah not like that we know we see it in culture constantly oh yeah entertainment especially now especially now without getting too far into that absolutely see it now in all the compensating people can do especially men when they're feeling small right and like it's in our industry too it's interesting because like i could see how people get a little success oh yeah and maybe some latent stuff all of a sudden blooms where it kind of takes control and maybe they lose sight of their career a little bit or what made them do what they do in the first place yeah I'm like, I'm careful of how I talk, but it's interesting because I see it a lot of people kind of losing sight of what they did because it's like they get success and it's sparkly and whatever, you know.

26:30Yeah. No, it took a little getting used to, you know, but mine wasn't like I'm overconfident in treating people I worked with like shit. It was just a lot of me spinning out and spinning my wheels and, you know, too much of this, too much of that. Totally. And then finally work your way around who you want to be. Sure. So, yeah. Did you do that kind of privately or was that with the other guys too? And I assume they were probably dealing it with their own stuff. No, I didn't do it so privately. I wish I was more private about it back in those days. Okay. Okay. Oh, it was just fast, faster, and disaster.

27:13Sure, sure. Okay, interesting. Or even like just the vulnerability and sharing that. Sometimes it's like sometimes we act out, right? Yeah. Yeah. And don't share that other side. Well, part of changing is owning up to what you did. You know? You got to be responsible for the things you did. Totally. I'm sorry I got a little distracted. Has anyone ever told you you look like Matt Hoffman a little? Wait, who's Matt Hoffman? I know the name. He's like the legendary BMX rider. He's like my generation's evil Knievel. We did a documentary on him called The Birth of Big Air. Did you just get distracted right now or has it been spinning?

27:54No, no, throughout the – Oh, wow. But I felt I got it out and I feel a lot better about it because – You think I was going to get offended or something? No, no. No, he's a handsome young man. I don't know of anyone tougher than Matt Hoffman. No one said that. I'll take it. Thank you. Yeah. I'll do a deep dive. I don't feel tough at all. So to be aligned with someone that could be possibly tough. Yeah. And is, it sounds good for sure. Thank you for getting it off your chest. I didn't. I'm glad. There you go. I know I could tell something was blocking you. Yeah. There we go. You got the Steven Seagal stuff off.

28:32And now this. Oh man. Seagal. What a, what a dick. He's. And like. Like, one of the things my fiance and I like to do is just watch terrible movies. Okay. Right? It's one of our favorite pastimes is terrible movies. Okay. And we had a long run of Seagal films. Oh, absolutely. And it's very satisfying. What? I haven't been keeping up with Seagal News. You want to, like, what? And he hasn't been top of mind. No, he's, like, it's dark. It's dark? Yeah, it would suck the energy. A lot of the stories would suck the energy out of the room. There are stories. This producer told me once. It's a funny story.

29:19He walked in Seagal's office, and Seagal's sitting at his desk, legs crossed, cowboy boots on the desk, his gun on the desk, script open, and he's weeping.

29:41and the producer's like, hey, what's going on? You okay? He goes, I'm just reading the most beautiful script I ever read. And he's like, oh, really? Who wrote it? He goes, I did. No. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. A gun on the desk. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was really, he had read too much of his press. Oh, my God. That's incredible. Well, I would want nothing else from Seagal than to do exactly that. You know the Gene LaBelle story? No. So Gene LaBelle is one of the toughest men who ever lived. His mom ran the Grand Olympic Auditorium. He grew up working with the wrestlers, the boxers.

30:37He trained in so many disciplines. I think he got a gold medal in judo and the Olympics. He's the first man to go to Japan and train. He's a stuntman as well. And I've worked with him on films. And the stunt guys revere him. Like on one film I was working on, people just lined up. all the stuntmen just lined up outside his door just so he would choke them out. He was legendary for choking people out. And after he would choke you out, he'd give you a patch that said, I got choked out by Gene LaBelle. So he's working on a movie with Steven Seagal. And Steven Seagal saw how all the stuntmen revered Gene and not him.

31:20And his ego couldn't take it. So Gene's a nice guy, but he's a little nuts. So Seagal goes up to him. He goes, there's not a hole you can get me in that I can't get out of. And Gene's like, you're probably right, son. Yeah, sure. It's fine. Go ahead. Go on. Go on. And Seagal wouldn't let it go. And finally, Gene's half off. So he's like, OK, turn around. And he put his arm around Seagal's neck. He goes, when I say go, try and get away. And Gene goes, go. And then just choked him out. and he can control how long he chokes you out for. Okay. And he choked Seagal out for an extended period of time and kind of put him in the side of the soundstage to sleep it off.

32:09Oh, my God. And Seagal had pissed himself, you know, while he was out, woke up and tried to have LaBelle fired. You can't do it. You can't beg someone to do it, and then just because it doesn't go your way. That's incredible. Yeah. That's incredible. And the production said, fuck you, LaBelle's face. I mean, it feels like a Tim sketch. Yeah. In a way, it's like asking to get choked out, losing immediately, and then trying to still win by getting the guy fired. That's my favorite thing, coming up with so much confidence and getting your ass beat immediately. Immediately. Immediately, not a fight.

32:54Too much confidence. Too much confidence, and on top of that, pissing yourself. Yeah. And taking a nap. He choked me out before. He choked out the whole cast. No way. Of Jackass. Jesus Christ. We didn't put it in the first movie just because we thought kids would see it and go, okay, well, let's do it, and they don't know. They're going to cut off the wind as opposed to the blood. Sure. And... Dear God. So we didn't put it in because we didn't want any trouble. A little dangerous. Yeah, yeah. But it's a weird feeling to be choked out. You're sitting there looking at your friends. Next thing you know, you're in a deep sleep dreaming, and you wake up, and everyone's looking at you.

33:31Oh, my God. And you're covered in piss. Yeah, no one peed themselves. But we did put a bike lock around Aaron's neck while he was out. I feel like you guys especially torture him. well he he responds so well his fear is funny sure oh it's incredible it's so well it's just so real it's really satisfying to all of us it's unfortunately for him and wait so the difference between when you get choked out the air it's like there's a the breathing passage versus well you don't want to cut off someone's air because that will kill them okay so how do you So you cut off the blood. Okay, so you put pressure on the side.