BREAKING NEWS: Myles Garrett traded to Rams

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1:36Robert Mays: It's my first day back at work. Figured I would ease into things a little bit. It's June. So obviously June 1st is a huge day in the NFL, but thought we'd dip our toe in the water, ease back into things. And the league and the Rams had other plans. Miles Garrett heading to Los Angeles in exchange for, as we know right now, Jared verse a 2027 first round pick and additional considerations, which we're not exactly sure what those terms are, but those are the major pieces. First, a verse and a first round pick. Your initial thoughts, Derek, on Miles Garrett going out to LA. I mean, my initial thought on, you know, the, we don't know the extra compensation.

2:14I don't care what the extra compensation is. The best team in the NFL, arguably the best roster in the NFL just acquired Miles Garrett, who I just think that this is funny that they took, they spent two years of not having a generational Hall of Fame best in the NFL defensive line talent. And we're like, you know what? All these young guys, they're cool. I want that guy again. I want the best to ever do it at his position. I would like that guy. For the Rams, I don't think it matters.

2:40Robert Mays: You know, for the Rams, it matters to an extent. The additional compensation, I'm more worried about it from the Browns end of things because when I look at this at first glance, maybe you see this a little bit differently. Maybe this is the wrong kind of mindset. But my thought is, that's it. that's what i was talking to beller right before this one because he called me 15 minutes ago and he was like hey buddy and i was like we're doing a show aren't we he was like yes we are and i was like my first thought was like jared verse and a first round pick and even if this other thing is like a third round pick dude this is miles garrett he's consistently the best pass rusher in the nfl i i thought even if you assume that like jared verse himself is worth a first round pick i totally get that i just it felt like there I think Jared now is you get two years of cost control for Jared versus like 4 million bucks plus the fifth year option.

3:30Robert Mays: The best thing you could hope for in any given first round is finding a player like Jared verse. Like I think he is worth a first round pick and probably a little bit more. So and that I get it like that's a huge get for the Browns. But we're less than a year removed from Micah Parsons netting two first round picks plus Kenny Clark. And I know that Micah Parsons is, what, four or five years younger than Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett's 30. I think this is age 31 season. So he's a little bit older. You assume you get maybe three really Miles Garrett-esque seasons left from him. But even if that's all that's left in the runway for Miles Garrett, the fact that we had two firsts plus a player for Micah, and then it's just Jared Burson a first and maybe a couple other things thrown in there.

4:16Robert Mays: I just assume that the Browns could potentially get a little bit more. And maybe from another team, they could have. Maybe from another team, you can get two firsts and a second. Two firsts, a second, and a fourth. But maybe the Jared Verst part of this was attractive enough where there's certainty. He has a potential to be a top 10 player at a premium position. We would rather have that because that's more valuable to us than a first-round pick or a first and a second-round pick. I can understand that. But at the end of the day, it just doesn't seem like a ton to give up if you're the Rams. Because if you look at the cap situation too, his cap hit over the next few years is like 20.

4:53Robert Mays: So I'm looking at it right now. It's 24 million this year, 28 million in 2027 and 30 million in 2028. It goes up in 2029 and 2030, but it's really pumped up in those years. And so you can absorb the contract pretty easily if you're the Rams and you're giving up Jared verse and just next year's first. That's all you're doing to maximize this window. So I thought it might cost a little bit more to do this, even if you can acknowledge that Jared versus a really good and valuable player. So actually, though, now that we're sitting and talking about it, I do still think from the Rams perspective, it doesn't feel like they gave up a lot, like upgrading from Jared versus to Miles Gary and only really having to give up probably a first to do it.

5:34That doesn't feel like a lot. This probably is fine for the Browns, though. Like Jared versus, like you said, as good as you're going to get for a first round pick, another first round pick on top of it. And especially if this extra compensation is like, maybe it is a third round pick. And that's actually pretty good. Like if that's where they arrive. So like, it is a weird spot where it doesn't feel like the Rams given their scenario and where they are and what they are trying to accomplish. Didn't give up like that much to get a player like miles Garrett, but also at the same time, it's not like the Browns really had that much power in a situation like this, right?

6:04Like miles Garrett himself is worth a lot, but the Browns are not really in any sort of position to wield against people because they're the Browns and they they're just probably going to be bad for the next handful

6:13Robert Mays: of years well I think for the Browns we've talked about this a lot over the last couple months we had danced around the idea of why a Miles Garrett trade would make sense for the Browns because they're in a spot where they only have their first round pick next year or if you somehow wind up with the 10th pick in the draft and you're not really in a position to get a quarterback like what does that mean for you over the next couple years you've had a really nice offseason you've done a great job of building an infrastructure for whoever that quarterback is eventually going to be. But do you feel good going into the 2027 draft with just your first round pick in a world where you kind of have to come out of that draft with a quarterback?

6:51Robert Mays: I think both of us thought I'd feel a little bit antsy if that were the case. So now, even if it's a late first round pick, maybe the 32nd pick in the draft, you have another one and you have a guy in Jared verse where he can be a part of a timeline that you realistically should be on. Like this team is not going to be competitive most likely in 2026, 2027, and maybe even into 2028. Now you have Jared versus going to be holds Jared verse now 24. He was like a little bit older coming to the league, but he can't be more than like 25, 26. So Jared verse right now is 25. So this is, and so, so he'll be, he'll turn 26 this year.

7:30Robert Mays: So Jared verse will be 28 when you get to that 20, 28 season when you can be competitive. So it makes a lot of sense. I got, I think overall the fact that you came out of this with the ammunition to hopefully push your way toward a quarterback in next year's draft. And you still have a very, very good edge rusher. That is a decent place to land. If you're the Browns at the end of all of this, even if at the same time, it's still like you look at it. It's like, man, if I were the Rams, I think I do that every single time to maximize whatever the next couple years look like two years probably you do that every single day of the week and i know it's funny we spent so much time especially i did during the draft of being like why did they take ty simpson like they needed to do something to help matthew stafford and help the offense or help them win and what's funny is that the time that the rams actually did get to the super bowl with matthew stafford it's when the defense on the other side had uh like absolute superstar freak show talent on that side like Aaron Donald ended that that Super Bowl and so obviously Miles Garrett you know plays a slightly different position but you've talked about a million times you need that sort of pass rusher to really get things over the line and like Jared first probably was that and it's probably more unlucky than anything that the Rams didn't get there with him being what he was the last couple of years but but Miles Garrett is a little bit more certainty that yes you know when it is like January that he can deliver that for you yeah there's no doubt And so now you have Miles Garrett.

8:54Robert Mays: You still have Byron Young, who had a nice season last year. You have a deep defensive line. We know what they did at the cornerback position this offseason with from McDuffie and Watson. The safety room is very good. Like the defense top to bottom is spectacular. And then obviously we know what the offense is. The Rams, there's a few different thoughts in my head after kind of considering what the next few years are going to be. One, they have all of these free agents after this season, like Kobe Turner, Byron Young, Puka. like and I there's so many questions about who they're going to bring back how they're going to spend that money so that just kind of looming over this season and like what the 2027 and 2028 Browns look like or Rams look like I think there's a lot to chew on there and then you extend that to when does Matthew Stafford stop playing because I get you're trying to do everything you can to maximize the Matthew Stafford window that you're in right now but with no Jared verse and no 2027 first round pick.

9:49Robert Mays: Now you're in a spot where it's like, all right, well, whenever the Ty Simpson part of this starts, we are going to be a very diminished version of the roster compared to what we could have been. And so that part of it is tough for me because I think part of the rationalization for drafting Ty Simpson is even if we think that he has a lower ceiling relative to a lot of other first round prospects, if we get average quarterback play with Sean McVay and then just a stacked roster elsewhere, can Ty Simpson keep us competitive? Well, after doing this, your pathway to a stacked roster everywhere else, I think becomes a lot harder to pull off into like 2028 and 2029 without a Jerry Versen without that first round pick.

10:32Robert Mays: And so it almost to me makes the Ty Simpson thing even harder to rationalize because you've pushed your chips so far in to the next couple of years that now this idea of, well, we have quarterback certainty or at least a quarterback plan beyond this, it almost matters less to me because you have fewer assets to build out the rest of it around Ty Simpson when you get there. Right, you're going to have fewer assets to do that. And like it, that style of roster where it's like, if we could get average quarterback playing, then the rest of the roster is star studded. The Rams roster as it currently works is kind of like they've got four or five stars and then they have a handful of other decent role players.

11:09But like they've built this thing together with third round picks and fourth round picks or they're on the cutting edge of like doing all this weird, you know, adding three tight ends on the field sort of stuff. Like they're always winning in the margins around like three or four superstar players. But one of those is the quarterback and he allowed them to do so many different things. And so if Simpson is only average, I do think it kind of changes the calculus here. The Stafford thing is also interesting because I think even going into last year, obviously, and then even going into this off season, it's been a lot of, well, this is going to be the last ride.

11:39This is going to be the last ride. But it seems like there's more reporting that like Matthew Stafford might play for two years. He might want to play for two years. He just signed a contract extension. Exactly.

11:47Robert Mays: They now have him under contract for two years. And so now I think every single thing that has happened after the Ty Simpson selection, I think makes the Ty Simpson move and the plan around it age just a little bit worse. And that's not the most important thing here, right? Like if the Rams were in the Super Bowl this year, I think we'll care much less about what the 2028 and 2029 Rams look like. I just think that this move now, again, colors the Ty Simpson decision a little bit differently than it even was when they made it in late April. And you know what? To backtrack a little bit to in terms of all the free agents that you mentioned that they're going to have up, you know, Byron Young, Kobe Turner, Puka Nakua, obviously guys like that.

12:28Steve Avila, too.

12:29Robert Mays: There's just a ton of guys that need to be addressed. How much did we say it's like they it's outside of Matthew Stafford and Devontae Adams. it's a pretty young roster like obviously the way they built the defensive line some of the guys on the interior like it's it's a young roster to me bringing in a miles garrett almost it kind of makes it easier to not pay the guys that you're going to have on that defensive line like when kobe turner comes up byron young comes up it's a little bit easier to and obviously they would have had to pay jared verse obviously it makes it easier to maybe move on from those guys and be like we can just find another third round pick second round pick whatever because miles garrett is such a presence that kind of lifts all the other guys around him that you don't necessarily need to pay Byron Young, even if you would have going into maybe this next offseason.

13:12Robert Mays: But I think that's fine for the short term, or at least makes sense for the short term. Right. For the long term, again, it's like the type of roster you were hoping you would have with all of these young, promising players. If you now have to move on or choose to move on from some of those young, promising players, the long term or multi-year plan around Ty Simpson just dramatically changes. And it seems like they're okay with that because they're looking at the team that they have right now and being like, this is it. Like we are, it is all for right now. But if it's all for right now, then why did you take Ty Simpson with the 13th overall pick?

13:45Robert Mays: Even if I understood it in the moment, but I think it's harder and harder to rationalize as you've continued to do things like this. Well, so I think it's that, and I don't even think this is wrong. This is to me a front office operating with hubris. Like they just, we just said the Aaron Donald thing. He retires and they replace him in the aggregate and in a 100th percentile way. It could not have gone better with Jared Verst, Kobe Turner, Braden Fist, Byron Young, like all of these young guys. I bet they think like, well, if we bring in Miles Garrett and these other young guys move on, we can do it again in the second round.

14:15We can draft another Kobe Turner. We can draft another Byron Young. Like, why can't we? Like, I just, it feels like they are probably operating under that sort of, under that sort of scope.

14:24Robert Mays: the Rams defense now looks absolutely insane they were already the Super Bowl favorites before they do this and now having Ty Simpson and having a plan at quarterback at least over the next couple years always gave you the option if you wanted to to start throwing these first round picks around because that's the downside right trading away future first round picks the most dangerous thing you can do the most dangerous final outcome of that is if you find yourself without a quarterback and you don't have a first round pick you're essentially SOL for how you're going to find that quarterback by drafting one and having him under contract for the next five years you can be a little bit looser with how you're using these and so seeing them trade one away to go get miles garrett maybe shouldn't be surprising so the rams we understand this let's just revisit the browns again for one quick second you look at the browns roster right now you have jared verse a couple other like decent pieces along the defensive line like alex wright has been solid for them uh obviously we know what carson swester was last year mason graham is there you know the defense overall I think has some decent pieces on it now the offense is completely remade and you're dropping Jared verse into that situation how do you currently feel about the makeup of the Browns roster what their offseason has looked like and just what the overall trajectory of this thing feels like I mean it's kind of hard like this is a situation where defensively it's easy to buy a lot of the young talent like I think Schlesinger is a pretty special linebacker.

15:48Mason Graham was fine last year. They have a pretty deep defensive line. Even Malik Collins was a monster last year before he obviously got hurt.

15:56Robert Mays: Malik Collins is like, that one I care less about. Malik Collins is going to be 32. He just turned 31, actually. He's younger than I thought he was. Exactly. Malik Collins, to me, is not a foundational piece of what this is going to end up looking like. Yeah, but he's at least still for this year, potentially, a useful player for them. But I... I think I like a lot of the foundation, especially up front. I imagine the secondary by the time they're competitive, those guys are going to be a little bit older in some of those spots, or at least closer to 30. Yeah. So you wonder how that's going to be reshaped.

16:27But I still like a lot of the way that the front is being retooled. I just think so much of this just comes down to like, not even what the quarterback play is going to look like this year. Obviously the quarterback play doesn't really matter. They are clearly doing a lot of these moves in service of making sure they have ammo for arch or lenora sellers or dante more whoever it's going to be i still have a lot of questions about what the infrastructure is going to look like like the offensive line should be better because it's a lot of new pieces and we you know we think that that that can do something for them but i don't know that they still to me have a lot of questions at the pass catcher spots outside of you know harold fanon is is a really exciting player but they still have a lot of questions there and then even like quinshot judkins played incredibly well they've given

17:08Robert Mays: themselves options though with the pass catch right they're trying yes we have no idea but those guys are going to be good but at least they have a plan for how that group is going to be remade i mean they drafted two of those guys in their first like 45 picks but again until we until we know i just i feel a little bit scared about how that's going to look which it's a weird spot too because i i really do think that todd monken is a is a really good play caller and i think we're probably more down on him than we are not not necessarily us but like it just feels like Like there's not as much excitement around him.

17:38One, because he's in Cleveland now. And I don't think it would be easy to get excited about anything in Cleveland. But also, too, just last year was weird for Baltimore. And it's almost like we forget how good the 2023 and 2024 offenses were. So I could see a world where this thing, you know, they win six games and the offense looks like it has a good infrastructure and you can buy yourself in the defense. But there is a weird part of me that is like, it feels like Miles Garrett was such a special thing on the defensive side that kind of gave this team an identity, even if they were still bad, that I wonder what it looks like with him being pulled out of there.

18:13Robert Mays: Can I galaxy brand it for a second? Let's hear it. Maybe it looks just worse enough that you just are in a position to draft the quarterback next year without having to use that extra first round pick. That's possible. Like Miles Garrett might have been with the other players around him, obviously. They're like, the defense might have been good enough that because you can you can totally see the world where they were like the fifth best defense in the league next year and that's enough to win them too many games whereas like jared versus great but i don't think he's that level of miles garrett where he's like pulling a defense up to that level by himself i think the best case scenario here is that you probably are just bad enough on your own to be drafting in a spot where you can draft a quarterback in the top like seven picks like let let's just play this out a year.

18:59Robert Mays: Let's say seven or let's say four quarterbacks go in the top half of the first round, which I don't think is crazy based on what this is projecting to be as a draft. So let's say you can get one of those guys just with your own pick. And then you have an extra first round pick to draft some piece. Like it's another edge rusher. It's a corner. It's whatever. That to me feels like the best case scenario for this. And then you still have Jared verse, right? Like you still have a really important pillar for like what you're building moving forward. That's the best case scenario because I can't imagine a world.

19:30Robert Mays: It's hard to imagine a world because I think it's easy to say like, well, now you have an extra first round pick. Can you use that to maneuver around a little bit to find a quarterback if you're not in a position to draft one? You can probably do that for like the third or fourth quarterback. I think it's going to be hard to do that at the top of the draft because if you're a team drafting at the top, you probably need a quarterback. Like even the Dolphins with Malik Willis, that's like the only team that is projected to be very bad, that theoretically has a multi-year answer at quarterback. But even then, they'd probably move on from him if they are picking number one in arches there, right?

20:04Robert Mays: But if you're the Jets, if you're the Cardinals, you need that quarterback. The 32nd pick is probably not going to be enough for you to be like, yeah, you know what, we'll move down. You can come up and get it. So I just don't think that Rams pick is probably going to give you the ammunition to move around that we're making it out to be right now. But the best case is probably you just have an extra first round pick and your pick lands you in a spot where you can draft a quarterback. And not having Myles Garrett actually makes it more likely that that would end up happening. Because even with how you've built up the infrastructure on offense, I still think the quarterback play is going to be bad enough where you could feel good about the future of the offense after this year.

20:48Robert Mays: You could look at a Denzel Boston and a Concepcion and a Fano and the way they rebuilt the offensive line and think, oh, we did the right things. We were still the 28th best offense in the league. Like that outcome is totally within the realm of possibility for the Browns. And so you doing that combined with the defense being like the 17th best defense because Myles Garrett isn't there, that's not actually the worst thing and the worst way for this to play out if you're the Browns. It's really not. And honestly, that's a good point about the... We say so often that, oh, you can just trade up for the quarterback.

21:21And that is true if a guy falls to eight or he falls to 10. Or like the Mac Jones, Justin Fields, J.J. McCarthy range.

21:29Robert Mays: Or Justin Fields, yes. Those are the guys you can trade up for. Or like Ryan Tannehill, I think, went in this range. Like you can go and get those kinds of guys. The guys who are almost like feel like they are locked into the top three. Well, why the hell would those teams trade out of those picks? Unless it was just like an insanely unlucky year for that team. And like their star quarterback got hurt. like if you know like uh you know obviously they didn't take a quarterback year but the the year the cowboys like tony romo just gets super banged up and they're the you know get the fifth pick like teams like that you can maybe trade out and get the quarterback but otherwise like if they're picking top three they probably need one too why the hell would they trade out of it there there is a chance though i'm like i'm trying to figure out it happens sometimes the the last time like this would look like the titan situation was the last time that really happened right where they took Mariota and then they were awful again and then they had the first overall pick I think and traded that to the Rams for goth it's like that can happen but it just doesn't feel like that's a very likely scenario how about let's let's do this let's just play it out this way let's say the Raiders are really bad this year the Raiders have like the fourth pick in the draft you are picking ninth if you're the Browns because again the moves you made on offense were good enough that extra first round pick in that scenario might be worth it it the moral of the story here is and i think this is the landing place i i would get to it's better to have the first round pick as a way to move around for the quarterback than it is to not have it even if we overstate how often these scenarios happen so i think that's an important part of it so we do have the final terms on on the deal and this does make me feel a little bit better about this if you're the browns it's verse a 2027 first a 2028 second and a 2029 third so it's a decent amount of draft capital so it's that that's all that's a decent amount like right even that like 2028 second kind of changes the the haul that you're getting i i thought it would be like additional terms like one throw and pick it's a second round pick in 2028 and a 2029 second round pick that that's a pretty good haul when you also include Jared Versa in this thing.

23:41So, you know, my immediate thought on this, this is this feels like the most NBA style trade that we've maybe ever gotten in the NFL, where it's like a star star player moving. And it's picks that are three seasons out in advance. Like we're about to play the 2026 season. And these are 2029 five years in advance. Right. They're the ones lobbying for exactly. This would be 2030 picks if they could. Exactly. But this really feels like I mean, the Rams have always been willing to make these trade, these style of trades more than any other team, but trades that far out in the future. And also for a player of this caliber, it just doesn't feel like this happens in this league very often.

24:20This feels like a very NBA style of trade.

24:23Robert Mays: And what we were saying before about the ability to build a team around Ty Simpson and build the type of team you would need to in order to be a really competitive team with a quarterback like Ty Simpson. that again becomes even harder when you're trading away second and third round picks into his tenure as the team's quarterback. So we already knew that the Rams were truly pushing all of their chips in here to try to maximize whatever this looks like with Matthew Stafford. Now that we have the full terms, I think that's hammered home with even more authority. I mean, this is, they're doing everything they can here to make sure this group wins a Super Bowl the next couple of years be damned.

25:01Robert Mays: And that's just kind of a tough mindset when you just drafted a quarterback in the first round. That's not going to play for two more seasons. Well, what's funny about the Ty Simpson thing is I keep going back and like waffling on like, man, that just feels like such a scared is the wrong term. But like you are being very safe by like just making sure that we got a quarterback and we'll see how it goes. And then on the other hand, when they do shit like this, it almost makes me wonder like they think they are so good and they are so locked into the Super Bowl for the next two years that like drafting Ty Simpson is like, eh, house money.

25:31if he's good he's good if he's not who gives a shit like it just they're in such a unique position with the way that they do these things i don't even know if i guess so but like i could

25:39Robert Mays: totally yeah yeah you know what i mean i guess so but having like one more pass catcher if you're like really trying to win the super bowl like it's having mckay should be monroe freeling or mckay lemon or something yes even like even if we are even if you want to say like oh the pass catching spots are in pretty good shape even having like tackle depth as a way to insulate yourself from something like this or insulate yourself from like a worst case scenario is probably worth it if you're trying to do everything you can to maximize the next couple seasons. So we shouldn't be surprised based on the aggressiveness that the Rams have been willing to show us over the last decade.

26:15Robert Mays: But this is still, even for them, feels like a hyper aggressive sort of move. And now that we've seen the full compensation kind of come into effect or come into light and come into focus here for the Browns, I understand that from their perspective, We are probably not going to be a championship caliber team when Myles Garrett is playing at the level we've come to understand from Myles Garrett. You are getting the right amount of value for a player like Myles Garrett to maximize the long-term health of your franchise by doing something like this. So from both sides, I understand it, but still not necessarily what I expected us to be talking about here on June 1st with Myles Garrett headed to the Rams.

26:56Robert Mays: But a fun way to start the summer here on the athletic football show. I'll tell you that much. It sure was. I thought we were going to get an AJ Brown trade and not do a live show because we've all assumed that he would already be on the Patriots. And so we wouldn't have to do anything. Any other closing thoughts here about Miles Garrett heading to the Rams? I'm just in the same way that we saw Matthew Stafford, who was an incredibly talented first overall pick, never be able to put it together on his team, go and be able to like really piece together a final hall of fame style of career i'm excited to see garrett do that i think garrett because of the position he plays in the accolades was already that obviously but hopefully get a ring on it it would be cool yeah he'd be a hall of he would have been a hall of famer like two years ago if you just cut off his career but to at least be able to more realistically have a chance at capping it off with a ring i think is is really cool because i truly do think that there are too many special all-time players who never get that and never get like that many real chances at it.

27:51And for a guy like him who at no point in the first, you know, seven, eight years of his career even was able to sniff that, for him to be able to walk into a place where you assume for the next two years they are probably the favorite, that's just really cool. And I'm excited to see him get his chance at that.

28:07Robert Mays: I 100 % agree with that. Here's the other side of it though. I can't remember which show it was, but Dave was talking about how, I was pushing back on Dave saying that nothing matters for the Rams until you get to the end of the season and see how it goes. You can't enjoy whatever the ride looks like for the entirety of the 2026 season if you don't end up winning the Super Bowl. And I was like, oh, come on. If you're a fan of a team, it's great. Your team is good. Your team is exciting. Your team is entertaining. They're fun to watch. You can still enjoy the process even if you ultimately don't get there at the end.

28:40Robert Mays: Now that's off the table. Now, if you're the Rams, there is so much riding on the next couple seasons for so many different reasons that it just puts like an inconceivable amount of pressure for you to pull this off over the next couple of years. Yeah, I'm there with that line of thinking now too. This really is like if you don't win the Super Bowl, it kind of feels like it failed. You have the most valuable player on both sides of the ball. That just never happens. That just doesn't happen. Like literally the MVP last year in Matthew Stafford, and you can say, you know, Josh Allen, whatever. and then miles garrett being what he is like this just doesn't happen very often like they it's a very unique position they've got themselves in in terms of hype and like what people actually would would expect from them it's it's pretty cool looking at it right now they be like 26 25 and a half million of dead money for miles garrett next year i believe um for the browns and then obviously deshaun watson is still uh deshaun watson would be like 35 million and so the browns wouldn't have like a crazy amount of cap space to throw around next year, but they'd have like 50 ish million dollars in space as it currently stands.

29:52Robert Mays: And so for the first time in a while, they would actually have some financial flexibility to build around the core that we're talking about here. And hopefully they would have a quarter, a rookie quarterback as part of that. And if that's, that is the most important part of this for the Browns at the end of the day. Like they, The end result of this needs to be them finding a quarterback that they're excited about in next year's draft, hopefully with their own pick, and then they have the extra first. But if not, then using that extra one to move around a little bit. That is a necessary part of this entire plan coming together for the Browns, is them coming away from next year's draft with a quarterback.

30:31Robert Mays: If they can do that, plus Jared Burst, plus some of the stuff they've done on offense, I think that there is a world where they can dig themselves out of this in a way that is a pretty decent endpoint for a Browns fan base that has been through some awful shit over the last few years. Yeah, what a long road it would have been to rebuild that way. All right, that is all we've got. We will be back with a ton more stuff this week. We're going to have shows every day starting back on. We already had one at the mailbag today. So if you've not checked out the mailbag, please do that. But Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we will be back with shows.

31:07Robert Mays: So it'll be four shows a week all throughout the summer starting this week. So please be on the lookout for all that for now. That's all we got. Appreciate you guys listening. We'll talk to you soon.

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