Building the Beast Senior Bowl Recap: Winners, takeaways, and effects on the draft

0:03Welcome to a new episode of building the beast and early episode is obviously Superbowl week And while we prepare for Patriots and Seahawks, we are getting our Senior Bowl recap out of the way. Dane Brugler, our intrepid draft analyst, was in Frisco for the East-West Shrine Bowl. He was in Mobile for the Senior Bowl. We got a lot to discuss coming out of the All-Star Games. Who impressed? Who won Senior Bowl week? Whose stock is up? We're going to hit on all of that as an early primer. Plenty of Super Bowl week content coming your way in the feed. Don't worry. But here at the beginning of the week, as we settle in to San Francisco for Super Bowl 60, a Senior Bowl recap episode of Building the Beast.

0:50Let's jump right into it.

0:56Well, Dane, I can use my journalistic skills to deduce that you have traded in the hotel for your home office, which much must mean that the all-star game circuit has concluded. How were your travels? And I got to imagine it's always easier to do this from home base that rather than, you know, setting your, your laptop up on the hotel room microwave so you can podcast remote. Right. And this is also the time of year where I, I questioned my life choices to live where I do. I landed in Cleveland Thursday night is negative six degrees without the wind chill. First thing I did, we land. I hit that auto start to my truck on the app, get out to the parking lot, just buried in snow.

1:43I'll send you a picture. So I love my scouting trips. I love them. But between the ice in Dallas, the cold temps in Mobile, it was chilly sitting there during practice and then planet Hoth waiting for me. When I got back home, I am more than happy to be back at home base now for a few weeks before, uh, hitting the road and going to the combine. But, um, yeah, now, now it's kind of like a tag team at tag. You're at your turn to travel now. Yeah. Fortunately I get to travel to California for the Superbowl where it is. It's actually warm out there. That's my only, my saving grace this week has been that everything is cold.

2:22Like even Florida froze over over the weekend. So it's not like you could have escaped it, but yeah, hopefully I think the, the Bay will be a nice change of pace. But before we worry about the Superbowl, we are publishing this a day early as the conclusion to this early part of the draft cycle. We got so much Seahawks Patriots content coming to the feed as the week goes, but right now let's talk about the real game that matters, which was the actual senior bowl on Saturday afternoon. We previewed it earlier in the week, heading into the game, coming out of it. I thought it would be fun to just hit on guys that jumped out during the game.

3:02And also guys that just had a good week of practice. You wrote a story about it for the athletic.com. Just if you want to call them winners, if you want to call them risers, I don't really care how we categorize it, but guys that had a nice week in mobile and specifically guys that capped it off with a nice day on Saturday at the actual game. This time I am going to start in the cliche place because it was nice to see Garrett Nussmeyer on Saturday afternoon, Dane looking like the guy that I remember. I mean, we had so many conversations before his season was shut down of like, okay, well, LSU says he's healthy and he says he's healthy, but this does not look like the guy that I remember.

3:45Saturday at the senior bowl. And granted, it's a small sample size. I get that. He completed five of eight passes for 57 yards, but he looked more like the guy we were excited about heading into 2025. And that was nice to see. What a difference it makes when you're talking about a guy at full health compared to what we saw from Nussmeier during the, during the fall. And we, we know what they said during the season, but I mean, he was Garrett was very transparent talking to him throughout the week about it just didn't feel right. He had the abdominal injury in August, and then he tried to play through it, and he re-injured it basically multiple times, which, I mean, just look at a quarterback and the way he moves, his throwing motion, you know, working off platform, all these different movements, and no wonder, you know, he re-injured it multiple times because of just what it takes to play the position.

4:42and then it ultimately he just got to a point where he had to shut it down and so clearly he wasn't healthy all season and that's not a just a hall pass and say well we'll just wave away the season and but I am you know watching him this the senior film there were a lot of bad habits that he picked up from the injury where he wasn't planting his feet in his delivery he wasn't using his core to make these throws just a lot of mechanical things that were off and different and that really affected his not his decision making but the placement of the throws and exactly the the the zip that he was putting on some of these throws so seeing him in live action uh in practice and then the game was awesome uh just to see it more look more like that 2024 version that was getting first round grades from NFL teams.

5:32So, yeah, I don't think he was the quote unquote winner of the week from the quarterback position. He was the most consistent. I don't think any of these quarterbacks were amazing. It's kind of like last year where you kind of had a stretch to come up with a winner. And I remember for me, it was I think it was Tyler Shuck last year who kind of did the best, but no one really stood out in a big way. It's kind of like that this year. but Nussmeier clearly was the most consistent quarterback. You know, he wasn't without some misfires here and there, but was the most consistent of the group. And I think that the game is kind of an exclamation point on that with the way he played.

6:08Yeah. He had the interception, but it was a perfect throw to the tight end that went through his hands. Don't talk to me about that interception. It made me so mad because it was his best throw of the day. And it just clanged off of the Wyoming tight ends hands. John Michael Gillenborg. And I was like, we're trying to resuscitate Ness's stock here, John Michael. And this is not helping. Altmaier had one of those two. Cax Merrick just went through his hands. And so, yeah, not all of the receivers and tight ends were helping out the quarterbacks. And that was true during the week as well. But, yeah, it was just good to see Nussmeier back out there.

6:43I don't think that. So, OK, let's shift to what does this mean for Nussmeier moving forward? I don't think that it's OK. Let's put him in first round mocks now. Like, I don't think we're talking about that, but I do think that anywhere on day two is now a realistic spot. Like for me, I feel better. I went in thinking I would have him. That's my in the third round. I feel even better about that now. And I don't think I'm going to move him up even more. So I have a third round grade on him. I think that like you think about where Jacoby Brissett was drafted. You think about Mason Rudolph, where he was drafted, Davis Mills, like all these guys were mid third round picks and they went on to be primarily backups who could win games if from time to time if they needed to.

7:34I think that's kind of what Garrett Nussmeyer is. Now, maybe a team that's desperate for a quarterback feels even higher than that. And they take them in the Tyler Shuck range, which is, you know, right around pick 40 or so. I think that's possible, but I see him as more of that third round player who can come in and he can be a high level backup, a guy that brings value to quarterback meetings. And to me, that's the most likely outcome. But based on how we perform this week, you don't want to shut the door on maybe being potentially more than that. it's easy because it was just last year but I just think Tyler Shuck is such an obvious comp for Garrett Nussmeyer from performing well in this situation to it's not at all not as old as Tyler but an older prospect he turns 24 in a month he was in college for quite some time and yeah I would hesitate to say that he's jumping into the first round conversations just because of four nice days of practice but i i have to believe that day anywhere on day two is is on the table and look if we get to april and the league insiders of the world are tweeting out cryptic things about oh don't don't be so surprised if this guy's name gets called a lot earlier than you think because it's coming this coaching staff really loves him and i absolutely okay so if you're not blown away by what you saw at the Senior Bowl, this Garrett Nussmeyer just strikes me as somebody who's going to get asked to do private workouts galore, where teams that might need a quarterback who want to get a closer look at him are going to fly to Baton Rouge or have him go to them and put him through the gamut.

9:14And do I think he'll be a first-round pick? Not really, but I think it's on the table. And that sounded crazy heading into Senior Bowl week. And if not first round, And then, like I said, Tyler Shuck just feels like a very fair starting point where it's like starting on day two all the way up until, you know, pick 90, pick 100, anywhere in that range. I know it's a wide range, but late Thursday to early Friday would be my guess. And we'll see how the next few months change that as teams try to get a closer look at them. I think that, you know, obviously quarterback one is set in stone. That's that's done.

9:52Quarterback two and three, I think, are up for grabs. And I think it's between those two players, Ty Simpson from Alabama, Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU. And again, we're speaking generally because every team is going to have their own order and how they stack these guys. But from a general point of view, I think it's those two guys duking it out for two and three. And then, you know, after that, we can talk about the Carson Becks and Drew Allers and Club Knicks and Taylor Greens and all the rest of the guys. but I think that you know day two we're talking about those quarterbacks Ty Simpson Garrett Nussmeyer I think that's teams are going to try and figure them out and figure out okay what's the ceiling here like we know you can be backups but what's your ceiling in it for us for our franchise and the fact that this is just a weak quarterback class is is going to help those two players because teams are going to say like you know do we really want to wait till the third round to get them or should we just take them now in the second um and so that'll be interesting to see how that evolves between now and April when things really start to ramp up with the quarterback discussion.

10:57Garrett is a situation where I'm, I'm more than happy to put my bias on the table. I've followed him for a long time. I knew who he was when I covered the Cowboys and his dad worked for the Cowboys. He went to LSU. He waited his turn for a long time. And I'm just, I'm happy we can have these conversations because we really, we had to take it off the table in like October because he just didn't look right. And then he eventually gets shut down for the season. You have no idea what that means for his future. So wherever he gets drafted, I'm just happy we can pick these conversations back up. And he has some degree of control.

11:34Like, I mean, he already put his best foot forward in Mobile, in my opinion. And now over the course of the next two, three months, you can go about getting somebody to fall in love with you. And the fact that he's back in that spot, which is, it's not where we expected him to be because we had high expectations for the 2025 season, but it's just more in line with what we were hoping for. I'm just, I'm happy he gets to have that back and be part of the normal course of the draft process. It was, it was exciting to see him, like I said, in the senior bowl, look like the quarterback that I remember watching over the last couple of years.

12:09You could tell he was having fun this week in practice and the games, just being out there feeling more like himself like that's you could just see it and it showed in the way he played all right we were bound to go long on quarterback but we're gonna we're gonna go through every single position we'll spend you know we'll hit everything I don't know if we're gonna go as deep on every position as we did on quarterback but let's just run through this thing and another guy that had a nice Saturday day and I'm not I don't make the beast like you so I'm catching up to your encyclopedic knowledge. But so Jay not of Oklahoma scores a touchdown.

12:47He finishes with 42 rushing yards in the senior bowl. You mentioned him in your risers list and I'm watching the broadcast and people point out, oh, this guy was at Cal and he was at Oklahoma and he basically didn't have a 2025 season. I mean, he just barely touched the ball and it It immediately jogged my memory of watching the Fernando Mendoza Cal Golden Bears. And Jay Knott was a badass for Cal. I mean, he had 3 ,300 scrimmage yards over the course of three years at Cal. He had a 1 ,300-yard rushing season a couple years ago. He was absolutely on my radar at one point during his college career.

13:29And he goes to OU and just falls off the map. So I'm very intrigued by the week that he had and what it could mean and how NFL evaluators are going to parse through his talent versus the fact that he just could not get the football at Oklahoma over the second half of last season. Yeah, it's really interesting. And I mean, he himself called it his season, like kind of a mystery. And he was banged up a lot at Cal. I think we just kind of assumed it was something similar at OU. And that was one of the big reasons. But teams are working overtime to figure that out and make sure they have a firm grasp on why he didn't kind of live up to the potential finishing out at Cal and then at Oklahoma, because, you know, that was that was a prime opportunity for him to kind of have a have a breakout as a senior.

14:20and it just never happened. But I want to give him credit for competing this week and what he did. I mean, really, when I watch running backs at the Senior Bowl, it's really hard to stand out just in the practice setting. But I want to see you in pass protection. I want to see you. Can you stuff some linebackers? Can you hold your own and ride the bull? And he did that consistently. And that's why, for me, he got kind of the winners of the running back because of the way he held up in pass protection. He caught the ball well as well also. but it was the way he blocked and for a guy that's right around 200 pounds not the biggest guy his ability to get underneath uh defenders and get his hands on them keep them blocked that really stood out and so jay not um caitlin black which awesome he was i think the only indiana player to be at the game so you win a national title and a lot of guys decided not not to go to the senior bowl and i understand it completely they had a parade in bloomington all right they had stuff going on 16 game season like that's a lot to pick up and then just go to Alabama and play an all-star game so I get it why Surratt and those guys did not play um in the in the senior bowl but credit to Kalen Black who went and had a pretty good week himself and he's kind of just the the bow on top of a tremendous last uh six months for him Mike Washington from Arkansas had a good week too so yeah the running backs uh while it's hard to stand out I thought a couple of them really did a nice job.

15:47I'm glad you mentioned Washington and black. We're not judging the guys that didn't go, but that's a real ball is life sort of thing though. Like when you get done with your season and 10 days later, you're bowing guys up in mobile at the senior bowl. I'm sure that's going to play well with NFL evaluators. And that was important for him because it like in the off season, I remember talking to a scout in the summer about going through Indiana's roster and brought up Kalen Black and he the scout brought up like how he was kind of trying to think the exact words he used but it was like you know he was a little mopey with the way that he you know because he didn't get he came over from James Madison to Indiana and didn't get the ball much last year and so he was kind of just not in a good place because he didn't think that the 2024 season went the way that he wanted and you know it that was reflected and scouts took notice of that but credit to him for having the senior year that he did over a thousand yards and he was he was so instrumental to that run indiana had he led the team in rushing against ohio state uh against oregon against alabama against miami like he the the final four or five games that was the final uh run to the national title game it was caitlin black who really carried that team in terms of the ground game and then to go to the senior bowl and do what he did.

17:12I give him a lot of credit. I'm glad you brought up Washington too. I took note immediately when I saw his official senior bowl weigh in is six foot two 28. It's a big guy and he runs like it. He had a fantastic run in the red zone in the game where he just carried the entire line of scrimmage, like an extra eight or nine yards down toward the goal line. Very fun player. I'm excited to watch more of him as far as receivers go i think it's obvious if you followed senior bowl week but malachi fields of notre dame feels like he kind of stole the show is there anything you wanted to highlight there or anybody else you wanted to give some love to fields have the catch of the week obviously that that taylor green moonshot that uh fields is able to track correct his route and come down with that diving fingertip grab um malachi fields is a big guy and to see him move in person i think really gave um you know a little more perspective on just how impressive he is it's not just long striding speed that he builds up it's short area quickness it's the ability to snap off a route and so i think for malachi fields um a lot of check marks in his in his sky report of what scouts wanted to see this week um i thought kevin coleman from missouri who former top recruit uh did a really nice job catching everything thrown his way created some separation i think he's going to be a really solid mid-round pick um josh cameron from baylor same type of thing and he's built 225 and you feel him uh with the way he plays through contact at the catch point um and he's got a little bit of juice after the catch uh reggie virgil from texas tech want to give him a shout out for the way he played six four really lean but man he is so quick in his releases and then he builds up his speed in a in a really fast way so he can win vertically create that vertical separation uh reggie virgil is a guy that his special team's ability i i think was gonna is gonna help him as well so uh transfer from miami of ohio this past year at texas tech uh was productive for them and now i think he's got a chance to at least be included in that top 100 conversation he reggie virgil helped himself um and then have to include uh ty montgomery uh tyron montgomery from john carroll uh the d3 standout you said ty montgomery and i had like flashback i was like whoa are we at the 2016 senior bowl right now yeah tyron montgomery out of at a john carroll yeah tyron montgomery uh who you know just he's an older guy he's got a crazy background um but the best compliment i can give is he did not look like he was a non-division one athlete out there i mean he was his ability to create space in his routes and he kind of wore down towards the end of the week, had a few drops and on day three of practice, but his first two days of practice were awesome.

20:04I was really excited to see who you highlighted at tight end. And that would be Nate Boerkerker at a Texas A &M who I think, I think we talked about him when we just talked about the amount of talent on Texas A &M's roster, but a guy that has jumped out to me when I've watched A &M games and watched A &M tape just because of his blocking ability and his strength and the power that he plays with. And like many college tight ends, his stats are not going to look impressive when you look them up, but that's, that's playing tight end in college. And at a time where it really feels like NFL teams are looking for tight ends who can block and then come along as receivers later, Nate Borkerker fits that description to me where it's like, all right, he might not be the most accomplished receiver heading into the NFL, but if I can get him on the field in multiple tight end sets and count on him as a blocker, the rest of that stuff can come along.

21:03And so I, it was fun for me to read your blurb on him. Well, and board kickers, he was tough to figure out because he was a walk on at Nebraska played there five years and had a total of like, I don't know, 19 catches in five years. Like he just, it's like okay why is why did it take till now for him to really uh produce and even at texas a &m it's not like he was um you know a guy that you would consider a weapon but he was a solid player who just is uh kind of good across the board um you know he is not going to blow you away with the speed but he can leverage his routes and give the quarterback windows um as a blocker He does a nice job with his pad level and staying square and really driving his legs.

21:51And so that showed this week. So, you know, this is a deep tight end group where, you know, at the top you've got Sadiq and then it's OK, who's next? Is it Max Clare from Ohio State? Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt? Neither of whom were there at the Senior Bowl. But then after that, it's OK, what's the order going to be? Because there's a lot of candidates. This is a deep, deep tight end class. And I thought Borkicker helped himself in terms of getting towards the top of that next tier of tight ends that you're going to consider somewhere in the third to fifth round range. I think Jackson Hawes is just going to have a lot of teams looking for those sorts of guys, even if they're not sexy draft draft picks.

22:35But that's he's definitely one of my early candidates for that role. Yeah. Cuevas from Alabama, Kazmarek from Ohio State. yeah I mean there's gonna be a lot of tight ends that should you know kick up you know like a half percent over to the Hawes for helping out a little bit in the process let's talk about offensive line briefly I I get it I understand the hype because the the clips going around social media the highlight from senior bowl Saturday of Max Iannachio or the Arizona State offensive tackle I understand why people are talking about him coming out of this week. My question for you is, is this a situation where, and not to take credit away from him, but are people looking for prospects to get excited about at offensive tackle because it's not a very impressive class?

23:27Because that's what it feels like to me, where this guy can go to the senior bowl, kick ass for a few days. You can find good clips of him on tape playing against the Texas Techs of the world, playing against David Bailey and Romello Haidt and holding his own. It feels like people are looking for somebody to get excited about in an otherwise disappointing class. Well, both things can be true, right? Where he did play well this week, wasn't perfect, especially in the team portion of practice where he had his share of losses. but you see the the highlights and when he plays at his best and his hands are on time it looks pretty good because this is a 325 pound athlete who is really coordinating his movements he stays balanced at contact um but he's been playing football for what like five years like he was uh you know he's got a crazy background didn't play football in high school it wasn't until the juco level and so he's come along in a short time uh but i still think that there's as well as he played i don't think this is a player you're you're gonna put into your starting right tackle role on day one and expect him to hold up and everything's gonna go you know swimmingly like i just don't think that's uh in in the immediate future for him now do i think maybe at some point during his rookie year?

24:49Could he compete for starting snaps? Yeah, I think that's a possibility. But you're drafting him for more of what he's going to give you over the life of the rookie contract and not what he's going to do immediately from day one. And so it was good to see him kind of live up to the potential during the week in Mobile because he was, I liked him a ton over the summer. He was in my early top 50 back in August. so it's not like he came out of nowhere but uh he had a solid senior year wasn't amazing it wasn't below average it was solid and at the senior bowl it kind of showed what he could do but again the uh his awareness his hands they're they're still up and down because he's still figuring things out and that's okay you don't need a guy to be a polished uh finished product at this point of their development especially with his background but i think it's important context to remember when we figure out, OK, where is he going to be drafted?

25:47Because it's not like you immediately put him in the first round because of some of the areas where he still needs a lot of work. But at a certain point in the second round, he absolutely might be worth it for a team looking at the long term of their roster in 2027 and beyond and saying we could we want to develop a guy like this. And so he helped himself this week. it's the classic case though i'm interested to see how that goes because i i understand everything you just said but if somebody sees the long-term vision with him and it's a premium position where there just aren't that many guys that size who can do that stuff maybe it inflates his draft stock a little bit but that's definitely a name to know i would say behind nussmeyer and some of the more you know maybe a couple edge rushers which we'll get to definitely one of the short list names to know coming out of the senior bowl yeah and like you were saying i think that part of it is it's just it wasn't a good offensive line group and i think that also inflated the defensive line that we'll talk about in a second where all the talk about the defensive line which some of it was warranted but some of it was just i think a really good defensive line picking on a not so great offensive line before we get to those guys anybody on the interior offensive line you want to highlight yeah i mean jalen farmer from kentucky i thought stepped in at guard and did a nice job um the florida center jake slaughter did a nice job um you know all these guys had their share of losses but i i thought that they came back battling and had their share of wins as well um jennings dunker from iowa who you know was a a feel-good story throughout the week because Oh, he's got a mullet and always got his long red hair.

27:32And, you know, North Dakota State's got one every year. And now it's I was got one this year. And like, I get it. But he's also a pretty good player. He's I don't see him staying out of tackle, even though he had some good tackle reps. I he's just too stiff for to stay out there at tackle. But I think inside a guard, he'll be a solid player. All right. As promised, we are going to get to what was a loaded defensive front at this senior bowl. We'll do that right after a quick break.

28:01Dane, you touched on it. This, it was a big week for defensive linemen, edge rushers in particular. Maybe some of that was because they were picking on a lesser offensive tackle group a little bit, but before we get into the fair aspect of it, I'm just going to confirm my priors. I've unabashedly loved Zion young during this entire show, like from the going back to the beginning of the season and lo and behold, he was kicking ass again on Saturday afternoon. I feel like he jumped out every third snap. He had a fumble recovery early in the game. He had a couple TFLs. He was around the quarterback incessantly.

28:41And I remember we talked about it. I think teams are going to have to do some digging on, on his off field history, particularly going back to his time at Michigan state, but what a fun player in terms of rushing the passer. I thought he was outstanding in the senior bowl. I mean, he's how you want a defensive end to look. You know, he's over six, five, he's over 260 pounds, um, 33 and a half inch arms. So, you know, he, he looks like a pro, you know, he looks like Michael Clemens. He looks like some of these guys that you see on Sundays. Um, and now he's not going to be a pure speed guy where it's just, get off cornering speed bend flatten to the quarterback like that's just not his game but he's long he's strong and man he's determined like the way he uses his hands the way he can set up some moves it's it just feel like it started to blossom this year for him as a senior and that continued during senior bowl week so you're looking for a guy that's going to set a firm edge in the run game um you know he's gonna have the way that he uses that the heavy hands and the strength and the length to open pathways to the pocket that's what he brings and that's what he showed throughout the week of practice another guy that i didn't know as much about who definitely flashed would be uh kiron crawford out of auburn who i believe you highlighted in your winner's article as well had a really nice swim move to sack Diego Pavia during the game tell me tell me a little bit more because he definitely other than the fact that he played on played at Auburn which again that Auburn team just had so many NFL prospects for how not very good at football they were in 2025 but what else do I need to know about him yeah and I think that obviously all the eyes were on Keldrick Falk this year at Auburn but I it was hard to talk to a scout about Falk without them bringing up Crawford.

30:38And I think that obviously that says a lot about him and the way that he was able to jump out this year. You know, he's, it was a little bit undersized and, you know, but he told scouts, I'll get over 250. I'll be over 250. And when he came out of 251 for the senior bowl, which is what you want to see. The frame's impressive because, I mean, in terms of, you know, the way I wish I looked at the beach, like six pack, uh balled up you and me muscles buddy yeah i mean look he rocked up man that's what you want it to look like and so um passes the eye test when you're just looking at him and then uh the way he plays he backs it up i mean he he flies off the edge um he doesn't have the longest arms in the world um so he does feel undersized at times but man the effort is non-stop he competes his butt off um and i think that just the way he goes about his business and the way that he competes is something that's going to speak directly to nfl teams and defensive coordinators so yeah i think that he's something he's helped himself all year and it didn't stop uh at the senior bowl uh in terms of proving himself to be somewhere in the top four rounds with apologies to the ACC champion Duke Blue Devils.

31:58I just didn't watch a lot of Duke football this year. So this is going to be a theme for the rest of this show. Duke players who jumped out at me. And one of those was Vincent Anthony, which, okay, 6 '5", 246 pounds, looked very impressive. But the other part of this that made me laugh really hard is when I found out he had seven and a half sacks this year. Three of those came in one game against Luke Altmyer. And so, of course, he gets into the senior bowl and sacks Luke Altmyer, who must have been like, Jesus Christ, this guy again? Yeah. And Anthony, I struggle with him, to be honest with you.

32:43Like he flashed during the week of practice, no doubt. but just standing next to him during practice like he's just a very lean lean guy like tall long but there's very little definition on his body and so you do worry about okay the mediocre play strength how is that going to hold up in the NFL especially when you know he tries to go speed to power he is a little tight I think so I think it's gonna be tougher for him to win the corner consistently in the NFL. But and he was also a guy that a lot of offsides, a lot of snap infractions where just he needs to be a little bit better there. But that's kind of OK.

33:25Let's get the bad stuff out of the way first. But I think that when he does have the get when he does time up the snap, well, he has those long strides. He can win the corner. He can force quarterback to move his feet. He's very active with his hands. And so whether it's a chop, a swat, he can discard the hands of blockers, soften the edges, and that helps him detach from blockers as well. So I think he's just a guy that, you know, because he's a four year starter. I remember talking to, you know, like three years ago, his name came up as like, oh, watch for this guy, because he was he kind of forced his way on the under the field as a true freshman.

34:03Just a really easygoing guy. uh like if if he wanted to he could probably run for mayor and durham and win um like he's just really beloved in that community and um you know he's gonna be i think best case for him is probably like in like an arden key type of nfl career where it's you know you're a little specialized in what you do um but i i think there's a right role for you out there hey arden key is still playing eight years later we'll take that every single time anybody else i know we we highlighted lt overton and tj parker and derrick moore heading into the senior bowl or any other edge guys you wanted to highlight coming out all those guys had win i mean derrick moore winning with power he's one of the more just well-rounded players in this draft at that position um in terms of playing the edge in terms of being able to have some juice to get to the quarterback um tj parker helped himself he's trying to get into that first round he certainly didn't hurt um those chances uh that long arm that he plays with is legit and so i thought um tj parker who was just did not have the season that a lot of us were thinking he would for him to bounce back this week was great um tucker from western michigan teams are trying to figure him out um you know didn't really get much play at houston but then he goes to western michigan and just blows up and so he brought the most juice of the group um in terms of the way he uh carries himself just the energy he brings but then also that get off and some of the explosiveness and so i don't think that you know tucker is not going to be a top 100 guy but i could see him being drafted in the fifth sixth round and then you look up you know two years from now and he's you know 11th in the league in sacks or something like that as a designated pass rusher um so yeah tucker is Definitely a name to know.

35:53Romello height was solid. Gabe Akis was solid. So yeah, these, we could talk for a long time, just about these defensive ends that put on a show during, during the week. That's the Dom Tucker out of Western Michigan. For those of y 'all following along, good name to know defensive tackle. I'll try to stop gushing about Caleb banks. Although I did see him put a, just a filthy spin move on a guy midway through the senior bowl. That just made me stop what I was doing. I think you said it heading into the week that guys, his size just aren't supposed to move the way that he moves. And, and he looked like it being able to get out there.

36:32I saw Lee Hunter at a Texas tech had such a good week of practice that he stood on it and didn't play in the game, which I think is such a flex. Like if you can just kick that much, much ass over the course of three days, it's like, no, I'm good. I don't need to risk my health in the game. So great weeks for those two guys. I did want to ask you a guy you highlighted that I'm not or wasn't super familiar with heading into this. It was Rayshon Benny out of Michigan. Yeah, I think that it was like he was a really well-known recruit coming out of high school. And then he goes to Michigan and kind of, you know, waited his time behind Mason Graham and Grant and those guys.

37:12And like his senior year was supposed to be his breakout. It's supposed to be, OK, this is why I'm going to be a top 100 pick. And I don't think he got there necessarily, but he still showed enough where you see the traits, you see the ability, get the senior bowl invite. And he was a hard guy to block all week, both individual one on ones, team drills. He did a really nice job just being impactful. And so it was quickness. It was hand strength. It was just finding different ways to defeat blocks and make it really hard to keep him blocked. So the balance through contact that he showed, man, he's a guy that I thought would be a really good value like fifth round.

37:55I'm not sure he makes it that far after what he did this week, which is exactly what you're trying to do. So credit to Benny. I thought he got my top defensive tackle award. Now, Caleb Banks, I think, is going to be Caleb Banks might be the first defensive tackle drafted, period, not just who was at the senior bowl. but Benny I thought was the most consistent uh practice to practice snap to snap with what he did in mobile all right we are going to get to the back seven we do have to take one more quick break before we do that right after this

38:29all right Dane let's talk about these linebackers you highlighted it early in the week after one day of practice and it really felt like Kyle Lewis out of Pittsburgh stole the show for the week. I think it feels like a lot of people are hip to a really nice week of practice that he had in mobile. Yeah. And Kyle Lewis, I struggled with him coming into the week because he's undersized. There's no way around that. And he was under six foot, he's 224 pounds. Um, he's not a take on player and on you watch the pit film and you don't see a ton of man coverage. Um, you know, like a lot of his impact plays came downhill as a blitzer or, you know, beating blockers to the gap.

39:14And there's value in that. But when you project him to the NFL and, you know, you you question, OK, how does he take on contact? How does he work off work off blocks in the senior bowl doesn't necessarily show that. And so the senior bowl this week was set up perfectly for Kyle Lewis to shine because it really accentuates accentuates his strengths, which is speed, quickness, playing really decisive where he doesn't have to worry about contact. It's just make a play, go, and you see that anticipation. You see the athleticism. So I don't think it was a surprise that he really stood out both in coverage, one-on-ones against running backs and tight ends.

39:54But it was good to see because, again, you didn't see a ton of man coverage on his film at Pitt. So it was good to see him play tight coverage against those guys, one-on-ones. But the way that he showed up in team drills, the anticipation, the way that he would break up passes. It just he was shining throughout the week. And so that was great to see. Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. He was a close second. He had a couple of interceptions. It's amazing how the ball finds him. You know, at a certain point, you just have to wonder, like, you know, is he, you know, have a tipster giving him the plays early?

40:28Because he just he has a feel for what the offense is trying to do and then puts himself in position to go make a play. That was great to see. Brian Boettcher from Oregon was awesome. The physicality. Did you see before the game him getting into it with the Tennessee player? Yes, I did. Bryce Boettcher. Yeah, he was everywhere. He was everywhere during the game as well. Yeah, they take 10 tackles in the game. Like he's got a touch of insanity to him. And that's exactly what you want from your linebackers. I want my linebackers to be like the most unhinged members of my team. and he's a guy that you know he plays linebacker the way he plays center field for the oregon uh baseball team where it's aware you see the awareness you see the range um you know he's a gold glover he didn't make any errors like the last three years at oregon and that shows in the way he plays football so um yeah i those those three guys avian sorry from arkansas throw him in there as well the line the defensive line kind of ruled the show but the linebackers were kind of right behind them in terms of overall positional winners throughout the week.

41:34It was star Thomas out of Tennessee that that's right. Late call up. Yeah. Mixed it up with on Saturday. I also wanted to ask you about Zavian Sori out of Arkansas, who from the practice film, I was able to see, it just looked like his instincts were off the charts. I mean, he, he was flying to the football. He was where he needed to be all over the place. And similar to Auburn, I just found myself like watching Mike Washington and Zavian sorry. And I know he didn't wind up coming out, but your guy Quincy Rhodes of Arkansas, I'm just like, why were they two and 10 tail and green? Like very inconsistent player, very up and down.

42:19And that was on display when he got into the game on Saturday, but like a very talented player, I just found myself looking at Arkansas being like, how were you two and 10? Like you have several guys who are going to get drafted during this year's, you know, they're going to hear their names called during this year's draft. I don't get it. Julian Neal at corner. He's going to be drafted. He was at the senior bowl as well from Arkansas. But yeah, I mean, sorry. He, I mean, he's a former five-star guy. You know, he, he, he was at Georgia for like three years and he transferred to Arkansas. And, you know, he had a good year.

42:53He had almost 200 tackles over the last two years. so it's not like he was kind of nothing but yeah that Georgia that Arkansas defense was rough to watch and I think that that played a part in maybe him going under the radar a little bit but you know he is a guy that reads his keys and doesn't think twice he goes and you see him blow up blocks the way he can take on a guard a pulling guard was fun to watch and just kind of create those 10 car pileups at the line of scrimmage. So you see the effort, you see the compete skills. I think that he was graded as a maybe a high end solid backup, that type of player.

43:34But he put his best foot forward at the senior bowl to say maybe I'm a little bit more than that. I can't help but think about how one of my favorite linebackers in football went to Arkansas guy by the name of Dre Greenlaw. Not that we're going to put that on anybody who hasn't gotten into the league yet, but yeah, just, I don't know, just, they were two and 10, but maybe that doesn't, that's not a reflection of the talent that they have clearly based on what we saw in mobile among the DBs. I think we talked about Chris Johnson out of San Diego state heading into it. You can hit on him if you want to, but the guy I got to start with, but it was a theme.

44:10Like I said, the Duke blue devils, I'm standing up for my short Kings here. Chandler rivers senior bowl weigh in at five, nine, one 85. So I can already tell you some teams are going to be out for pure sizes reasons. I don't give a damn guy is a baller. He contests everything. He didn't look overmatched in anything that I saw of him. Like during the one-on-ones that I was able to see, he was mixing it up. He was getting the job done. And then he had several nice reps during the game. And maybe I'm biased because I am a short King myself, but I get amped about a five, nine guy who is, who is giving every bit as good as he's taking in senior bowl practices.

44:53It was very exciting for me. You see the numbers, uh, the measurables, they seem in person and you're just immediately turned off. And then you watch them play and you're pulled right back in. I mean, you're right there. Uh, it like it press man. Okay. Transitions cleanly. uh i love the way he annoys receivers um it's you know he positions his body well and so he can turn find the football uh he reads the quarterback well from depth when he's playing off coverage so he can drive on throws um he's a missile and run support too like he's small but he plays so much more physical than you would expect for a guy that size um and now he the lack of size does limit the margin for error in terms of him as a tackler but he will go blow up a screen and he will throw his body around no question about it and you know talking to scouts he's like a you know he's kind of like a boy scout he loves to be coached the mental toughness is there um you know he's just all about the work and you know he's another we mentioned this with uh vincent anthony but he's another four-year starter at duke on that defense a guy that since his freshman year kind of said hey i'm too good i need to be on the field and i think that you're right some teams are just not going to be they're not going to be for him he's not going to be for them because of the size but when i look at the the fluid uh the fluidity the foot uh quickness the way he can stay attached in coverage the way he competes at the catch point even if he does have fewer landing spots than other corners there's a long nfl career waiting this guy give me the good football players i don't give a damn and sure you're probably you're not going to draft a five nine corner in the first round maybe he'll have to wait a little while to hear his name called give me the good football players i don't care i'll make it work we will find a role his yeah i mean he made some nice plays but his attitude and the fearlessness with which he plays was apparent just from half a dozen reps it like it just jumps out at you and it was really cool to And he never missed a game in college did injury.

47:03So like this, yeah, he's a smaller guy, but he played like over 3 ,500 snaps in his career. You know, like the resume is really impressive, you know, leading the team and passes defended. Like, so the production is there that I think the talent is there. It's just you have to make amends with how you feel about the size and be willing to overlook that a little bit. another guy I wanted to highlight, and this came up in the conversation we had with Drew Fabianic, who's the director of the senior bowl heading into practices last week, Jalen Kilgore, which yes, it's easy to draw this through line and it's not fair to the guy, but it's hard not to look at him and think about the nickel who came out of South Carolina last year, who's about to play in the Superbowl by the name of Nick him and worry.

47:52And with the success that he's had, I think it would be crazy to think teams aren't going to be hunting for that type of player. And so you look at a guy who's six foot and a half, like just shy of six, one, he played at, I, he played up at two 17, but he was down at two 11 for the senior bowl. He can play safety. He's done that before, but predominantly gave looks at nickel in these practices and looks like he's up to it. And when you see what the Seattle Seahawks have done this year and the way they have made it a pain on teams by not substituting out of their nickel personnel. This is a skillset that is going to be in high demand in this and subsequent drafts.

48:33And lo and behold, another guy coming out of South Carolina seems to have it, or am I getting too far ahead of myself? Um, well, and it's, it's funny because a Kilgore got on the field. Um, I believe initially as a freshman, because I'm in worry, got hurt um and so that kind of made clear the spot for Kilgore and then when Emanwari came back they moved him around and I think that's really the the main sell with Kilgore is the versatility um this guy he like he was a receiver and defensive back and did a lot of things in high school and then he goes to South Carolina and gets on the field immediately he's a freshman All-American and he's been the ball production is what really stands out with him where it's like double digit passes defended every year eight interceptions over three years uh with the gamecocks now i don't think that he's not the physical marvel that eminwari was few people on this planet are but uh he he that versatility that he brings that the varying experience that is something that i think is really going to help him now i don't think it helped him stand out necessarily this week at the senior bowl uh but i do think that once he gets to a pro camp and gets coached and they really give him one thing to figure out and worry about i think he'll be able to come along and so i don't i don't see him as a second round pick like emin warry was um but i do think that somewhere in the middle rounds he's gonna get drafted he'll be a special teamer initially and then somehow they'll find a way to get him on the defense and just find a way to use that size and versatility that's that's gonna be the name of the game and i think kilt gore is gonna benefit from it i think I think a lot of guys with that tweener sort of tweener is seen as a perjurative a lot of times, but I just mean like the, the combination of size and athleticism, I think teams are going to be hunting for it for the foreseeable future with what we've seen from some of these guys, anybody else you wanted to highlight among corners.

50:33I've got one more name among safeties, but what about cornerbacks? No, I mean, Chris Johnson, I want to mention him again, because I thought he was the most consistent of the corner throughout the week. um san diego state um you know you see the size you see the um just how calm and controlled he is in his coverage um no matter what the receiver is doing it does not affect how johnson goes about his business so he's he's one of my favorite players in this draft and i thought he had a good week um igbenosan was solid for ohio state uh you just you have to you have to be okay with that he's just gonna grab sometimes that's just who he is i don't think you're gonna coach it out of them but you're you look at that speed and that length it's going to be interesting after the combine what kind of buzz he has because for a guy that's that size with those long arms and the way he's going to run and test the buzz is going to be there and so I'm interested to see just how early iguanosin can go the safety I wanted to mention was bud clark out of tcu which go figure the guy who had 15 collegiate interceptions got his hands on a lot of footballs at senior bowl practice.

51:42I'm the first time I remember him is from the college football playoffs when they beat Michigan, when he had a pick six against JJ McCarthy. Uh, that was kind of the first time I really, you know, he was really on my radar and yeah, he had a lot more interception since then, including during senior bowl week where you see the range playing, uh, you know, And whether it was as a post safety, whether he was playing more towards the box, more as a nickel and coverage, you see the range that he plays with. And he has a nose for the football, no doubt. So he was the most consistent and top safety that I think we saw throughout practice.

52:16Yeah, that's he got to TCU in 2020, which we've seen that over the years since covid guys being in school for a while. but in the time since he became a full-time starter over the last four years, starting with that season where they got to the national championship game, uh, 15 picks and 20 PBUs. So yeah, I think you'll take a, I think you'll take a bet on, on production like that. One more guy I wanted to ask you about before we get out of here, the commission can't go. Well, well, actually, okay. A couple, no, we can hit the kicker. I was going to ask you about Kansas state safety, VJ pain.

52:54Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, long rangey dude because he's he's every bit of six, three to ten. Like he and there are times where deep coverage, he struggles to hang on. But especially against tight ends, he can match up and he is not you can't shield him from the ball. You know, he he plays with quickness. And so it was a little bit of a roller coaster for him throughout the week. But if you just watch his highs, you see why teams are pretty interested in what he can bring. So, yeah, I think pain is maybe fourth round, I would guess, is probably where, you know, the average feedback is on him. Some are a little bit higher.

53:37I think maybe he can go in the third, some a little bit lower. But I think the average is right about the fourth round. And seeing the way he moves at that size, you can understand why. No, I'm legitimately happy you mentioned the kicker. Drew Stevens out of Iowa. He had a 50 yarder in the game, right? he crushed a 51 yarder in, in crappy conditions, by the way, like it was cold and windy at the senior bowl. Go figure. Iowa's got a good kicker. So if you need, if you need one, maybe drew Stevens is a name to know. Yeah. I think he'll be the, probably the top kicker drafted. I don't, we'll see how a combine plays out.

54:14But yeah, he had a nice week. The BYU kid was there. He had a nice week as well. So I don't think we're going to see a kicker drafted in the top five rounds this year like we have in the past. But a few of these guys have a shot to get drafted late. How could I have almost forgotten about the kickers? We're supposed to turn over every stone on building the beast. So I'm glad we did. All right, Dane, that's going to cover us for this week. I'm off to Super Bowl, but there will be no interruption with the schedule. We will be back next week on the other side of things. So officially next week's episode, there's no more football left for the 2025 season.

54:55So tell your friends, tell your coworkers. If you're, if you're looking for football talk, if you're looking for a reason to get excited about the draft, if you need to know what your team needs, we will be here all through the spring. We're looking forward to it for Dane. I am Dave. We'll chat with y 'all soon.

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