Building the Beast: Who's turning heads at the Senior Bowl?

0:28Welcome to another episode of Building the Beast. account. Really fun episode with Dane. Let's get right to it.

0:38All right, Dane. Well, I got to say I am incredibly jealous, man, because while I'm just up here freezing and coping with the end of the NFL season in Chicago, you're watching live football. You are coming to us live. You were gracious enough to set up at your hotel after the first day of senior bowl practice. Not only that, but you were in Frisco for Shrine Bowl practices earlier this week. So I know it's not warm anywhere, but slightly warmer climates plus the ability to watch some live football. It sounds pretty good to me. Keyword slightly, because it is crazy how the, because usually this trip is a warm trip, but especially compared to what we're used to in the North, but man, it's been a rough trip weather-wise.

1:25So I went to Frisco, I was in Frisco for a few days for the East West Shrine game, and then actually changed my flight to get out of there a little bit earlier before the storm hit, because 70 % of flights at a DFW were canceled, and so tried to stay ahead of that. But yeah, now I'm in Mobile. Today, Tuesday's practice, about 45 degrees. So not the warmest. I packed for a light breeze, but not for 40 degree weather. So sitting out there and for five hours, you know, but it beats working for a living. So I'm not going to complain too much. We checked in with you yesterday when we wanted to get our ducks in a row about doing this show and make sure everything was good.

2:10And I was, I'll be honest, I was a little bit worried about you with all of the travel advisories and hearing everything about cancellations. And I know DFW got hit hard with ice and snow, but I should have known better. I should have known that you would not be denied with this road swing to see as many of these prospects as you could. No, it's such a big stepping stone in this process. Being able to see some of these guys up close that I haven't seen in person yet. Talk to some of these guys I haven't talked to yet. and you know these two all-star games put together probably 90 percent of them will be drafted and 100 percent of them will be in a camp so you know these are guys that need to get eyes on and need to figure out and eager to do that the rest of this week here at the senior bowl so shrine bowl practice is wrapped up actually as we're recording this the shrine bowl is kicking off on Tuesday night.

3:05A lot of interesting names. I would encourage you, if you haven't, to go check out our conversation with Eric Galco, the director of player personnel for the Shrine Bowl. Get you up to speed on all things in Frisco. And then it's right on to Mobile. So you wrote a story for theathletic.com. Highly encourage everybody to go check that out, too, about the biggest storylines in Mobile this week. so I'm I'm debating how I want to do this because I mean we could do the cliche thing we could start with the quarterback and Garrett Nussmeyer out of LSU is going to be one of the biggest names at Mobile this week he went into the season with major major hype as one of the top senior quarterbacks the season could not have gone any better any worse for him and now he's here trying to redeem himself we could start there but I don't I don't want to to be honest with you I want to get back to the roots of you and me talking draft stuff.

4:03And I want you to tell me about the position drills at senior bowl practice on Tuesday, specifically because we talked to Drew Fabianic, the director of the senior bowl last week, and he was talking about how deep and how good this edge rusher class is. And you got a chance to look at it today. So let's start there with what you actually saw at practice today because I got to imagine it was fun no doubt and it can be tough uh in these one-on-ones especially when it's tough to be a corner it's tough to be a tackle when you are on an island one-on-one and not every rep not every situation is exactly how things would go in a game and so you're really at a disadvantage and especially because this is a really good edge group and a pretty good wide receiver group and I think that's how it's played out uh even with no Reuben Bain who accepted his invite but then uh later pulled out uh Akeem Mezador David Bailey uh a lot of these edge rushers ended up not being here but the ones that are here I thought performed pretty well TJ Parker from Clemson was here a guy that man back in the uh preseason we were talking about maybe a top 10 top 15 type of pick he didn't have that type of season this year but now it's Can he get back into that first round conversation with how he does starting this week in Mobile and then at the Combine?

5:31Based on the first day, pretty good start because he did a nice job using his power because he's not a speed guy. He is a 6 '3", 260, 265 pound guy that wins with power, wins with his hands. And he did that consistently. And I think it was in team drills, went right over Trey Zune at left tackle, caught him with his feet up in the air and just planted him on his back. Then in one-on-ones, he won more than a few times using that leverage, using those hands. So TJ Parker helped himself, I thought, in practice one. Derek Moore from Michigan, same type of deal. Moore is just one of those guys that I really like, not because he's great at anything, but he's good at everything.

6:21He's not going to have that one distinguishing trait that stands out, but he's just well-rounded, solid, just check the box all the way around, 6 '4", 255 pounds. He had a good first day of practice. You see the power. You see the way he can use his hands, getting underneath the pads of blockers, and so he his timing is is really impressive so not the most violent but when he does connect you see the power and so Derek Moore TJ Parker those two guys specifically stood out among these pass rushers I don't want to I don't even I don't know who it was and I don't want to know because I don't want to single the guy out because that's not fair like the one-on-one drills are they're designed to help receivers and edge rushers we say that every year but man there's a video and a photo going viral as we speak of tj parker long arming this poor guy in in the one-on-one drills and just i mean he's he's just got him up on a on a poster and it's it's pretty it's pretty great uh but like every year right we get one of the like last year is mike green going up against Josh Connerly, right?

7:35Where it's just, you catch them in the right spot and it's just, it's bad news for the tackle. Um, and look, Connerly ended up still being a first round pick, um, drafted ahead of Mike Green. So, you know, but for these tackles, you are put in a really disadvantageous spot. And so scouts know that coaches know that teams know that, um, it's all about digging yourself out and really you're playing defense as an offensive tackle. It's just, that's, that's part of how this drill works. So it's only one day of practice. If you didn't see anything that jumps out at you, that's totally okay. But a couple other guys I would want to highlight from this are Missouri Zion young is down there.

8:17A guy that we've talked a lot about, uh, Alabama's LT Overton, I believe is there and Texas techs Romello height. So not David Bailey, but Romello height, another big piece of that Texas Tech front. So a lot of options here to be looking at if you find yourself in need of an edge rusher. Well, and Romello Haidt, I was kind of worried about what he was going to come in and weigh in at because in the summer, scouts had him at like 225. He was a good 235 here, which still not great for an edge rusher, but still a little bit better than what we thought it could be. And he plays bigger than he looks and we saw that today during drills.

8:59Zion Young is a good-sized defensive end and another one of these guys that's not going to win with pure speed. It's more with timing and just understanding how to beat the tackle one-on-one combat. And so Zion Young, he didn't necessarily jump out today, but definitely eager to watch him the rest of the week. But yeah, LT Overton, the other guy you mentioned, this is a big week for him because the flashes with him are first round. And this was true last year, and scouts really hope this 2025 season, his senior year, he would turn those flashes into more consistent production. It just didn't happen.

9:38It was more the flashes where you watch his 10 best plays, you're like, all right, yeah, this is obviously a first rounder, right? But when you watch snap to snap and just the full body of work, you don't see that necessarily from LT Overton. So hopefully this week he can maybe be a little more consistent with his impact. It's kind of the story of Alabama's year, isn't it? Where I know I'm not crazy. They got a lot of talented players, but the consistency and showing up for evaluators, I think is going to be a big part of it. Overton is one of those guys specifically at the senior bowl. Okay. I have appeased the nerdy side of me, but I do have to, I have to pay the proverbial bills here.

10:24And I am, I'm curious for a variety of reasons, but on top of my own rooting interests, we talked to Drew Fabianich last year or last week about the senior bowl. And if Yusuf is underselling it, when he talks about Garrett Nussmeier, what he's been doing to get ready for this opportunity and how healthy he might be, because let's face it, regardless of what Brian Kelly and everybody else wanted to say at the time, Garrett Nussmeyer just did not look right when he was still starting games at LSU. So again, I don't want to go overboard off of one afternoon of practice, but what have you seen and what is at stake for Garrett Nussmeyer?

11:02So this week in Mobile. Yeah, and I don't want to go overboard either, especially it's the first day. Usually I try to give the quarterbacks a lot of grace on the first day. They've never thrown these receivers. You know, it's just, it's a very new environment. it's a tough situation to just be dropped into. And so I want to see you get better day one, day two, day three, just show that development, that progression throughout the week. But just on going off of Tuesday's practice, Nussmeyer, clearly the best quarterback here, clearly. And you see the ball, the way it comes off his hand, you see the anticipation, putting the ball in spots where his guy can make a play.

11:44so I think for a guy that came in as obviously the top quarterback here I don't think there was much debate about that so you expect him to look good and I think he did and the way the rest of the week goes I would expect him to get even more comfortable and it just looks a lot different than the Garrett Nussmeyer we saw back in November and when LSU was really struggling to get going on offense and so good sign for him Hopefully we see him continue to build these days and hopefully all these quarterbacks. Diego Pavia was actually pretty good. There was a lot of, like I said, giving these guys grace on the first day, the running back quarterback exchanges, stuff like that they need to fix.

12:28The ball hit the ground too many times. But in terms of timing and putting the ball where receivers can go make a play, Pavia did a nice job. I know there's a lot made of his official weigh-ins, but I don't know. Let's, let's talk, let's talk about it. Cause I mean, you can wave off a lot of things, but Diego Pavia measuring in just shy of five, 10 officially. So five, nine and seven eighths. I, does that, does that matter? I mean, I'm talking to a guy, I mean, you've been very consistent about Diego Pavia's draft prospects this entire time. So, I mean, in the context of a guy that you're drafting on day three, regardless if he gets drafted at all, do you think that matters?

13:13But our listeners already knew he was going to be under 5 '10", right? I mean, because we've talked about what he was in the spring, and so it shouldn't be that much of a shock for the people that listen to this podcast. Now, does it matter? Of course it matters. There's not many quarterbacks in the NFL who were under 5 '10", under 200 pounds. That was maybe a little more surprising to me than the height. We knew he was short. In the spring, he was closer to 210. Now he's under 200 pounds, and it's just not a great combination. It's just going to take the right situation for, because there's only going to be so many teams that are going to be willing to take a chance on him in the draft, and it's just going to take the right sequence of events for that team to be looking for a quarterback when you get the rounds five to seven and be willing to roll the dice on Pavi at that point.

14:09But like I said, I want to give him credit because I thought he threw the ball pretty well in day one. Taylor Green was a little up and down from Arkansas. Overall, these quarterbacks, I'm eager to watch them the next two days just to see who gets better from day one and who can put together the most consistency. Based off of the first practice, I'd say it's a pretty good start from Nussmeier. One guy you did mention in your story that I want to shout out just because he's the least likely for the average fan to have seen, I would say, would be Cole Payton out of North Dakota State. Right. Measuring in at 6 '2", 229.

14:52And again, like, yes, let's not overreact to one day of practice, but we've seen what the Senior Bowl can do for, I hate to call North Dakota State a small school because we know how good they've been at the FCS level, But we've seen what the Senior Bowl can do for guys that don't come from blue blood programs. I mean, Gray Zabel out of North Dakota State just did it last year. And I don't mean that to say that Cole Payton would be a first round prospect. But this seems like a guy who has a ton to gain with some good practices and good performances against players like this. Oh, I mean, he's here for a reason, right?

15:28I mean, in North Dakota State's had a pretty decent run of quarterbacks getting drafted. I think, what, three of their last four starters have been drafted in the NFL. So, you know, and it's going back to Carson Wentz and Trey Lance. And, you know, so like you said, he's not going to be a first rounder like those guys were. But he's still going to be somebody that has a shot to get drafted. And I can't help but see Michael Penix with him. And maybe it's the lefty thing that's messing with my mind. But he's also because he has a pretty good arm and he can sling it. I mean, he will throw it, you know, those far out routes and some of the deep overs.

16:07But he also scattershot as well, kind of like Michael Penix. And so I can't help but see Michael Penix with Cole Payton. But yeah, this is a big week for him just to see him, how he does with, you know, better competition on a more consistent basis. there's a couple small the small school thing is big for the Senior Bowl for these All-Star games in general just to see, and we see few of them these days because if you're good enough chances are you transferred up to FBS and probably even a Power 5 school but some of these guys stay put and for the Cole Paytons and a few of these other guys this is a big opportunity for them down here the John Carroll wide receiver Montgomery Montgomery, look, I'm a D3 guy.

16:52As much as I dislike John Carroll because I'm a Mount Union guy, he showed up today and made some noise. He created a little bit of a buzz with the way he plays. He's not a big guy, six foot, just under 200 pounds, but he can run and he won the catch point more than a few times. So small school, definitely a theme of this week, even though we don't have as many of the non-FBS guys as we usually do. tyron montgomery out of john carroll which so he's either going to break onto the scene as a player or he's going to be somebody's passing game coordinator here in the next three years based on or a future gm like casario i mean the john carroll illuminati in the nfl is wild so i'm definitely circling tyron montgomery's name one last thing i'm gonna i'm gonna take a break But I do just, I want to hit on that with Nussmeier really quickly is just the idea of, it's weird to think about this guy's ceiling in an environment like this where, I mean, like we said, the season couldn't have gone worse.

17:57And it's hard to imagine that he would get drafted too highly based on that. But we know the talent is there. We know that the 2024 tape is definitely up and down, but very, very exciting compared to what we got this year. he's a coach's son he's doug nussmeyer's son longtime quarterbacks coach and offensive play call offensive coordinator offensive play caller in college and the nfl right if teams fall in love with this guy it's i mean in a draft where there's like only two quarterbacks definitively above him not trying to sell him as a first round guy but it's it's wild to think what his ceiling could be if this draft process goes really well i i think it's really unsettled at this point just because a lot of teams loved him over the summer.

18:45And even though that love was maybe pushed to the side, it didn't go away. So a lot of teams still really like Garrett Nussmeier. And for all the reasons you just mentioned, you know, he's not a big guy. He's 6 '1", just over 200 pounds. You know, he's a good athlete, but not a difference-making athlete. What really separates him is the arm talent and then just the command of the offense. That's what really separates him. And that command of the offense comes from exactly what you just said, being the son of a coach and growing up in just learning how to play the position. He received his graduate degree in quarterback playmaking at a very young age.

19:28And so Nussmeier is going to be, if he stacks good tape from this week, day after day, practice after practice, yeah, I mean, he's going to be, and it'll help that this is just a weak class where you have Fernando Mendoza, who's going to be the number one overall pick. And then it's anybody's guess where the next quarterback comes off the board, most likely going to be Ty Simpson. Now, is that going to be at pick 20? Could it be a pick 35? I mean, I think that's what we're going to try to figure out here the next few months. But then who's quarterback three? Right now, if the draft for today, I'd say pretty confidently that's going to be Garrett Nussmeier.

20:09But where he's going to be drafted, that's where I don't have any confidence at all. I would guess it would be like mid third round. That'd be my guess right now. But again, like you said, if he has a good week and he keeps stacking these practices, could he get into the second round? Sure. Why not? I mean, could he get in Tyler Shuck territory, you know, right around the 40th pick or so? Yeah, you can't rule that out either. So, yeah, I think this is a big opportunity for Nussmeier. Let me flip on some of these practices on NFL Network and see him rip a couple missiles and I'll be back to my reckless ways in no time at all.

20:45All right, we're going to take a quick break. And after that, I've got I'm just going to pepper Dane with names I want to know about at the Senior Bowl right after this.

20:56all right dane i'm gonna do exactly what i said i got the senior bowl roster in front of me and i've got your article in front of me as well and i'm just gonna ask you about guys that i'm curious about let's start with a guy that we both loved heading into the season and unfortunately another guy where injuries just got in the way but I was ecstatic to see that Florida's Caleb Banks took a senior bowl invite and I was even happier to hear that he's healthy enough to do stuff and man I'm going back to 2024 but my god what a disruptive player when he was healthy last year and so curious what you've seen and curious again very similar to Garrett Nussmeier even though they have very different jobs of just how high can a guy like this ceiling be when you don't have much of a 2025 season, but get in front of some evaluators and kick the right guy's asses and you never know what can happen.

21:57Very different body types as well. Caleb is so impressive in person. Just when you see him in person and you see how big he is and he's a legit 6 '6", 335 pounds, just a massive, massive dude. And it's, it's all good weight. Like it's not, it's not all in his, like this is something that happens with scouting is you legitimately, and this is why scouts show up early for just guys stretching, your body shame, okay? And it's not something that you necessarily are proud of, but it's part of the report. And you got, okay, he's got a little bit too much weight in his belly. He's got a little too much weight in this section, whatever.

22:48But the thing with Caleb Banks is from the calves to the bubble, to the shoulders, it's well distributed. That 335 pounds is really well put together in that frame. And to see him move the way he does with the power, the length, this is why even though he missed most of the year, he's still in that first-round conversation. It's just hard to find guys that look like him, that move like him. And just talking to, before this week, talking to who he was training with, how motivated he was to get right. Because he came back late in the year, played, what, two games, I think late in the year for Florida.

23:28but still I think a lot of guys in his position would have skipped this let's just get ready for the combine no he wanted to train extra hard to make sure he was good to go for this week because he knew just how much it could help him just to see for scouts to see him back out there so Caleb Banks right there in that conversation to be the highest drafted player that's out of this game jumping over to cornerbacks there's two guys I wanted to talk about for similar reasons I think they both qualify under the radar is not the way to describe it but guys that maybe aren't getting talked about as much and we've talked a lot about the top of the cornerback position we've talked plenty about Tennessee's Jermod McCoy who didn't have a 2025 season and is not at the senior bowl because he's an underclassman.

24:18His teammate Colton hood is there. And I feel like he gets lost in the shuffle when you're talking about the guys at the top of the cornerback position, or at least he does for me. And then a guy that you've talked about several times is at the senior bowl. That would be Chris Johnson out of San Diego state, who he seems like he's got a lot of fans in the hipster football community. Like the number of people that have told me, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're cool. But have you watched the San Diego state kid? Like I hear that regularly. So what are we looking for from these guys this week? Man, Chris Johnson was my guy back in September.

24:53It's like, you know, my sleeper, my, uh, this is going to be my guy. And then the secret got out and, um, it's just, it's not cool anymore to say Chris Johnson's your, your, your sleeper, but he's having a, he had a good first day of practice, a really clean pedal, uh, very fluid in his transitions. I like the way he can balance looking for the football while still understanding the route. He recovers well, and that was my biggest question with him, is just how fast would Chris Johnson be? It wasn't an issue for him today. When he did get beat by a step, he was able to recover, get back in phase.

25:32He's good size. He's 6 '0", 190 pounds. So there are ball skills, instincts. I mean, Chris Johnson, big fan. I think this guy is going to be, he has a good chance to be a second round pick. Colton Hood is, you know, he was in my first round mock. You know, he's a guy that I think, okay, Mansoor Delane, Jermon McCoy. And then I think it's a discussion. You know, who's that next question? Is it Avion Terrell? Is it Colton Hood? Right, Hood, Terrell. Cisse. You know, I think that, yeah, they're all those guys in a similar conversation. and good on Hood for being here to kind of put his best foot forward about why he should be that guy.

26:13Wasn't a perfect practice. I mean, he did get beat by, and it's kind of nature of the position, it's going to happen, but he's so patient and then fluid in his transitions that it just, you don't see a ton of separation. There was one time, I can't remember who the receiver was, but able to stop and Colton Hood just kept going. so there was a few times where like we said, it's tough to be a corner in these one-on-one situations but credit to Hood, he had more good plays than bad plays you understand why we're talking about him as a first-round pick when you see a move out there at that size and it's also interesting I've talked to a ton of players over the last week two of the players I talked to down in Frisco at the Shrine game two Georgia players Dylan Bell, Colby Young the two receivers, I asked both of them, who's the toughest corner that you faced this year?

27:08They both, without a hesitation, said Colton Hood. And I think that says a lot. And these were separate interviews, by the way. They didn't know who these guys were, you know, who they were going to say. So for both of them to say Hood, I think that, and when I asked why, they gave great explanations about just how patient he is, how sticky he is as a corner. like he's just there's a lot to like about him at the next level so colton hood you know he's going to be one of the top highest drafted players that comes out of this game it's like i said it's not fair to call him under the radar because if you're paying attention to the draft you've definitely heard colton hood's name a lot but i do think it's fair to say he is not usually lumped in up there with with delane and with his teammate mccoy and the way that we talk about him Well, go have go have three great practices and see where that lands you, because we see it happen every single year where a guy who's maybe, again, not off the radar, but not in the square center of it either.

28:10You can sure wind up in the middle of that thing by the end of the week. No doubt. That's it. And it's we've seen it. I mean, Dave, how many senior bowls have you been to where, you know, whether it's Zach Martin or Aaron Donald back in the day, but guys that come in with some hype, they're not totally unknowns, but then they play at a much higher level than some were expecting. And now all of a sudden it's like, OK, well, why aren't we talking about him as a top 20 guy? Why aren't we talking about him as a top 15 guy? You know, and so that happens every year. and I mean it's an it's an easy comparison to draw because they play the same position but like and again everybody knew who Quinion Mitchell was when he got to the senior bowl right but by the end of the week it was like oh hell yeah Quinion Mitchell's a baller and it like it just sort of solidified it in a way that maybe it wasn't as unanimous before senior bowl practices and Colton is he's not a g5 player he plays in the sec so it's not a one-to-one but there's no denying what a good week can do for you, not just in the eyes of evaluators, but just public perception too.

29:21Yeah, no doubt. And obviously it means more for a guy like Quinone Mitchell coming from the Mac and compared to Colton Hood coming from the SEC, but it still doesn't hurt. And Hood's one of those guys where he's on the short list of, you know, Caleb Bangs, Colton Hood, like it's a short list the guys that are have a chance to be first round picks here at the senior bowl. Before we move on, let's take one quick break.

29:51So there were a couple of linebackers you wanted to talk about, and we can definitely do that. But just looking through the roster, man, there, there are, there are a ton of fun and interesting linebackers in mobile. And I think that just plays to the overall class. I mean, so two guys you wanted to highlight Arizona States, Keyshawn Elliott, as well as Pittsburgh's Kyle Lewis, but that's on top of Bryce Boettcher from Oregon being down there. Jacob Rodriguez from Texas tech is down there. Scooby Williams, the A &M linebacker. I mean, my goodness, we got, we got, we got a lot to sift through here, but, but Elliot and Lewis were two guys that stuck out to you.

30:34Well, and this is just a great linebacker class in general. you know obviously it starts with Sonny Stiles and then as you move through it's just there's a lot of names that are just good football players and Kyle Lewis is see he's this is the senior bowl set up for him specifically because he's undersized there's no way around that he's under 6 foot 224 pounds so you know like that's what you worry about He's not a take on guy. And so watching his tape from Pitt coming into the week is a really tough player to get an idea of, OK, what are you? Because he's he's he's at his best in space. He's not going to take on blocks.

31:24This is not who he is. His there's not a ton of coverage stuff. So it's just he had his grade is incomplete because it's just OK, how am I how am I going to use you? You're not a stack linebacker. You're not quite a safety. And so this week is kind of made for him where it's all in space. It's all just show us what kind of athlete you are. And that's what he did in the first practice, especially his one on ones against running backs. He had an interception. He had a couple other knockdowns. So Kyle Lewis is still I don't think we're going to come away from this week with a better idea of kind of what are you.

32:00but I think we're going to hear some buzz about just what kind of athlete he is and competitor he is because this is set up for him to play well. Now, with Keyshawn Elliott, he's more of, okay, you look the part. He's 6 '2", 235 pounds. I think I heard great finish at least five times when we're talking about Keyshawn Elliott and his reps, whether it was in the run game, in his tackles, the way he can square up the ball carrier and finish. and then they don't take guys to the ground and especially in the first practice, but the way he'd square guys up and be able to be in a position to wrap, finish and then playing through the hands of running backs and tight ends and coverage.

32:44So, I mean, Keyshawn Elliott, whether it's popping guys in the hole, finishing, making plays and coverage, I thought he had a great first practice and he's making a case why he should be considered a top 100 player. I've always thought linebackers and running backs are really hard to evaluate at these sorts of practices. But when they kick ass though, it kind of pops out where you're like, all right, it's hard to evaluate, but that looks the way it's supposed to look. Yeah, that's fair. And running backs especially, because aside from the past pro drills, it's kind of tough to take too many big takeaways away.

33:23But yeah, I think the line, like we said, it's a good linebacker group. and so far so good for those guys here. A couple more guys to hit before we get you out of here. When you brought up small school guys before the break, I thought you were going to tell me, because it's so obvious already. Like you talked about them in your article. We talked about them with Drew Fabianic last week. You're a Ted Hurst guy. Like maybe that's your new guy. If like, if that's not too obvious, like is that under the radar enough to be your guy? Because I feel like you're a fan and just based on following your work over the last couple weeks?

34:02Well, maybe before Thanksgiving, I had an article on The Athletic where I had, speaking to a scouting director, he gave me five names. And this is all in the article, five names that were considered under-the-radar guys. And Ted Hirsch was one of them. And look, Georgia State has not been a good program, at least in the wins and loss, the record. This past year, I think, you know, it's so if you're going to watch Georgia State tape, you better be standing out. And Ted Hurst does that. His production for a program that's not very good is off the charts. A lot of big plays down the field. He is a big guy.

34:43He's 6 '3", 207, and he consistently wins down the field. He had a play in one-on-ones this week or today where he didn't have a ton of separation. but the way he tracked the ball, went up and got it, I think he caught it with one hand in the corner of the end zone. It was just really, really impressive. So Ted Hurst is one of those names that I think is going to be a little buzzy this week with the way he plays, the way we come out of this week, how they're talking about him. He's just a really impressive player. And if he played at Ohio State or Alabama or Georgia, at one of these other schools, we'd be already talking about him as a day two player, but I think it's a chance to get there this week by the way he plays.

35:27It is the easiest position, edge rusher and receiver, like we said, the easiest positions to really pop at the senior bowl. Ted Hurst from Georgia State, Jacoby Lane from USC is down in Mobile. You mentioned Tyron Montgomery out of John Carroll. Josh Cameron uh the the Baylor uh receiver he's oh man I forgot about Josh Cameron baller yeah I'm just thinking back to that SMU Baylor game from earlier in the season where I mean he went nuts so did everybody else in that game but yeah really really fun player he and he's a big dude I mean he I've got the weigh-ins in front of me I mean I think he weighed in um yeah 223 So he's 6 '1 and a quarter at 223 pounds.

36:16He's a big dude. His parents own a barbecue food truck. So, you know, he's eating good down there. I had a feeling you were going to say that, yeah. Yeah. But he had a really nice fingertip grab down the field. I think he was one of the winners of day one. So glad we're able to mix his name in. Very eager to see if he can keep it up throughout the week. Oh, man. My guy Romello Brinson from SMU is also at the Senior Bowl. Another guy who went crazy in that game. Yeah, there's so many players worth getting excited about. One more for you. I know you got to go. Lee Hunter. We talked about Romello Height already.

36:53David Bailey didn't make the trip. But again, this Texas Tech front had so many players on it. And this seems like a big week for, I would say, the least heralded member of it in Lee Hunter. Yeah, talking about a big boy, 6 '3 1⁄2", 320 pounds. and you see it with the way he just clogs up run lanes, taking on doubles. Then he had a few plays, and I'm eager to watch the tape. Because when you're at practice, you're watching this, you're watching that. There's so much to watch at once. You try to take it all in. I saw the end of one of his one-on-ones. I think it was against Bo Stevens, the guard from Iowa, who I like a lot.

37:35I think he's going to be probably drafted somewhere in the top four rounds. but Lee just Lee Hunter went right over him just pure power and that's what I want to see more out of him I know you can hold up versus the run can you give me a little more juice as a pass rusher and I think based off of day one of practice he was able to do that I could just keep asking you players but like I said I know and here's the fun part I'll take you all behind the curtain I told Dane we would get him out of here and I assumed he had dinner or drinks with like a scouting director or or a gm or something fun and and very uh prestigious going on and he was like before i do anything else i gotta watch the tape of practice and that is why that's why dane's the best is because he's gonna finish he's gonna finish doing this pod and go grind tape for two hours before he goes and tries to get intel at uh Is it still Veetz?

38:35Yeah, it's got to be Veetz. Yeah, I mean, it's still going strong there downtown. Moe's Barbecue is a good one for, you know, there's always some scouts there. But yeah, you know, I've got to, it's always, with practices now being later in the day, you don't care as much about how late you stay out because practices don't start till one o 'clock now, which is a good and bad thing. but it definitely helps in terms of the night before and not having to worry about making sure you're getting back and actually getting some sleep. That is a great point. You can, you can grind tape till your heart's content and still get into plenty of mischief afterwards and learn plenty of, of new nuggets and tidbits that you can then tell me, which speaking of which we got a schedule change for y 'all.

39:24We are actually coming back. We will do with the Superbowl coming up. We will do next week's episode of building the beast. We'll do that Sunday for Monday. So heading into Superbowl week, Dane and I will recap everything else that happens at the senior bowl. We'll talk about the rest of practice, whatever Dane learns at mobile's various watering holes, as well as the game itself. We'll have plenty of info for you. I'm really looking forward to that, but until then Dane stay warm, have fun. We'll talk to you soon and we'll catch y 'all next week. We'll see you next time.