💪 “14-Pack Abs” — Hyrox’s IG takeover. Roku’s Golden Bachelor deal. Shaboozy killed Hermès Handbags. +European Minds

0:28This is Nick. the bar. There were cab drivers who pulled over and blasted the game on the radio. I never seen anything like it. Yeah. In baseball, it's Yankees, Mets. In football, it's Giants, Jets. But every New Yorker loves the Knicks right now. I haven't seen the city this connected and happy in 30 years. And so the Victory Parade is Thursday on Broadway. You're going to get to watch it with Maxie, right? And yeah, while you're on your flight, more on that for another pod. In the meantime, we got three fantastic stories for today's T-Boy Jack. What have we got on the show? For our first story, SoulCycle, CrossFit, Equinox, then Barry's.

1:00Okay. But now, Hirox is the fastest growing fitness on Earth. Or is Hirox a sport? An Olympic sport. For our second story, Roku just got acquired by Fox Corporation for$22 billion. This is the golden bachelor of deals. And finally, sorry Birkin, the data shows that handbags peaked three years ago. Not possible, Jack. Handbag sales have fallen by$8 billion a year because of one song by Shibuzi. C 'est pas possible. But yetis, before we hit that wonderful mix of stories. What a mix of stories. Love the mix on today's pod, Jack. When I studied abroad in Berlin, I could not believe that they needed to pay to use the public bathrooms.

1:38Jack, when I studied abroad in Italy, I did not know they did not have drying machines. I know. We got familiar with the clothes clip very quickly, didn't we, Nick? Hey, Nana, I think I accidentally got your dress. Culture shock was real for us yetis, but it's happening the other way around right now times a thousand. because Europeans are losing their minds visiting America for the World Cup for the first time. The European mind cannot comprehend. No, it cannot. They knew the Statue of Liberty in the Grand Canyon. They admired them, actually. Those are like the Nicolas Cage National Treasure kind of a things.

2:09And they knew that our restaurant servers are friendlier and they expect a 20 % tip, too. But Jack, what did they not know? They had no idea we offer free refills on everything. Because no other country does that. Or that we'd have air conditioning everywhere. And cup holders everywhere, too. Portillas? sells a cake-flavored milkshake with bacon fries. I'm sorry, would you like that supersized Fonz? There's one Walmart here in the States that's 260 ,000 square feet. That's three football pitches. Oh, and one single Cadillac Escalade waves five Fiat's. In fact, there's a German tourist who's gone viral because he went to Wendy's, Chili's, and Taco Bell.

2:46Yeah, each of those have free bathrooms, by the way. In one day. But the Tums are sold separately. Besties, let us know your biggest culture shock moment when you went abroad. Drop it in the comments. And let us know what the European mind cannot comprehend here in the States. By the way, the word soccer, it isn't actually an American word. It's a British term. More on that at the end of the pod. If you know, you know. We'll hit it later. Jack, let's hit our three stories. Fifteen years before this song, two boys from the Northeast met in the dorm. They had an idea to cause a cultural storm. It's the best one yet, but the best is a norm.

3:18Jack Nick, that's it. I don't even think they need to practice. 50%, that's a fat tip. T-Boy City on your at list. If you know, you know, cause we ready to go. We can't wait no more. So just start the show.

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5:55So Bastis, if there's a win you're celebrating every day, Bureau is the non-alcoholic brew brand you got to bring. So use code T-Boy for 20 % off your first order at BureauBrewing.com. For our first story, will High Rocks become the next Olympic sport? Louis Vuitton thinks so, because High Rocks is making$270 million with zero spent on marketing. And it all started with a failure. But let's talk numbers first. Jack, 650 athletes back in 2017. That was the inaugural High Rocks competition. But this year, 1.5 million people are doing High Rocks. All destroying their bodies in a race called the Hirox.

6:38Oh, and we guarantee you they'll post their finish line picture with their 12-pack on Instagram. Hirox has become like the fitness equivalent of Harvard. Whoever has a connection will let you know within the first two minutes. This is Jack. That's Nick. We only knew Hirox existed because our buddies we played high school sports with posted pictures of themselves at the end of the race. Every weekend we see a new topless pic of Adam and not our buddy Timmy posing at a Hirox event. So we got curious, jumped to T-boy style. So here's the insight that gave birth to High Rocks. People who work out are competitive, but they didn't have a sport to compete in.

7:11Exactly. So two founders turned workouts people were already doing into a new sport. And that sport was High Rocks. They gamified the burpee to turn pushups into a profit puppy, which is a reminder to all of us that some of the best entrepreneurial ideas are not new ideas. They are remixes of the old ones. And a High Rocks race is anything but new. Yeah. It's eight separate one kilometer runs, each followed by a functional fitness station. Sled pushes, farmer carries, wall balls, burpees, lunges with sandbags over your shoulders, all things that already existed, but never at the same time. So there's 16 total segments, and whoever finishes it first wins.

7:46Basically, it's a CrossFit workout, but with racing, running, and, this is key, a winner. And it's now the fastest growing sport in the world. With 1.5 million paid participants at High Rocks' 16 ,000 affiliate locations. The reason this has scaled so quickly is because the sport is standardized. Exactly, Jack. You're not just competing with yourself or your gym mates, are you? Competing with the whole world. Yeah, because every High Rocks competition is exactly the same as the other one on the other side of the world. It's the same indoor style, format, and location. Exactly the same wherever the High Rocks is held.

8:23Ironically, Hirox stole a trick from McDonald's, standardizing a concept globally. Yeah, there's 16 ,000 affiliate Hirox gyms. They've controlled the product just like a Big Mac. And this year, 121 grand competitions where people travel in are being held across 34 different countries. And everyone's stats competing are being tracked online. But what happens if you finish in the top 0.5%, Jack? Then you're invited to the World Championship Hirox competition happening this weekend in Sweden. Warning, besties. Posting thirst traps after the race is mandatory in order to compete. Dude, Adam has posted so many shirtless pictures of himself.

9:01Yeah, I was just working out at a High Rocks in Cambridge just outside Boston. But next, High Rocks is going to turn biceps into billions because they're on the verge of a multi-million dollar investment from El Catterton, the venture arm of Louis Vuitton. That's right. Louis Vuitton wants in on the High Rocks. Because the business model of High Rocks is a hybrid rock star. We're talking 2026 revenue of 270 million bucks, baby. 10 % of Hirox's revenues are gym license fees. 15 % is merch. 15 % is sponsorships. Specifically Puma and Red Bull. And 60 % are tickets and entry fees. Because after 12 months of training, you are willing to pay a premium to go to those championships.

9:40As a participant or as a spectator to cheer on your shirtless buddy. Okay, Adam, enough. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies? Adam's made his whole identity, Nick. I didn't know you could have a 13th app. Weird, there's not a 14th. But Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over at High Rocks? Working out could be the next Olympic sport, but instead of medals, you get media. Yetis, here's what we find fascinating about High Rocks. It started as a failure. You see, the city of Hamburg, Germany failed in their bid to host the 2024 Olympics. So one sports entrepreneur and one two-time gold medal winner began their dream that Hirox could be in the Olympics someday.

10:21So they strategically created a Hirox wanting the competitions to make participants feel like they were already in the Olympics. They added razzle dazzle and sprinkle dinkle everywhere. They spent$2 million producing the first Hirox games. Wow. But they wanted it to feel like it was a$200 million event. And photographers everywhere, high res leaderboards, instantly shareable standings. With all that high production glitz, Hirox transformed each participant into an unpaid marketer. Now that besties is how So High Rocks became the loudest fitness brand on social media, despite zero social media budget.

10:53High Rocks put everything in place so that their contestants would post on social media. Now, Jack, about 1 million people were doing triathlons when it became an Olympic sport back in the year 2000. High Rocks has 50 % more participants than that today. It's soon going to hit the 5 million participants that fencing has. So, yeah, these High Rocks could be the next Olympic sport because instead of medals, it gave you media. Social media. For our second story, it is the deal du jour. Fox is acquiring Roku, the little tech company that could, for 22 billion bucks. Because Fox is looking at the mirror and seeing wrinkles.

11:31But Jack, before we dive into this story, why don't you share that wild fact we discovered while researching this story? For 12 years, Netflix was a landlord and its tenant was Roku. Because Roku rented out an unused Netflix building at their headquarters in California. We got to sprinkle on some context. Yeah, they're like crashing on the couch, by the way. I mean, like this is wild. In the late 90s, two brands were pioneering DVR at the same exact time. You've only heard of one of them. The one you've heard of is TiVo. The other one was started by a man named Anthony Wood. He lost to TiVo back in the 90s.

12:03But he pivoted. Instead of recording stuff on TV, why not let TV stream on demand from the internet directly? Anthony told that exact idea in a job interview to a man named Reed Hastings, the founder of Netflix. The founder of Netflix! So Reed hired Anthony Wood as VP of Internet TV at Netflix in the mid-2000s, and that's when everything changed. But then right before Roku's Internet streaming TV dongle would launch, Netflix decided, let's spin off Roku into a separate company, actually. Here's the idea. Netflix is going to focus on the streaming network it became famous for, and Roku would focus on a streaming platform.

12:41Reid thought that was the best idea. And that's why for 12 years, Roku was still right there next to Netflix, operating and building Netflix-owned, paying rent, even though they were separate companies. Well, here we are. And Roku has had a little glow up, baby, haven't they, Jack? Yes, it has. Roku transformed from that cute HDMI dongle you plugged into the back of your TV to the number one TV platform in America by number of users. Down, stand up, and turn on Roku, because today, one out of four living rooms is watching Oprah through a Roku. That's more than Apple TV. It's more than Google's Chromecast.

13:16It's more than your... It's more than Peloton. It's more than Peloton is what you're getting at, Jack. But here's the news, besties. Now, Roku's story as an independent company is over. No more couch surfing. No more independents. because the Murdoch-run Fox Corporation is acquiring Roku for$22 billion. Now, Besties, to sprinkle on some funny context, when Jack and I host a party, there's like a game we like to pay. Maybe it's unique to us, but here's what we like to ask our guests. Who's going to buy Roku? For years, we thought it would be Facebook or Twitter or maybe even Google would acquire Roku because they had such control of the American living room.

13:47It's a good party game. Like, more recently, we thought Walmart would, and when you bring that up, a lot of people start talking. But I thought it'd be romantic if Netflix bought back Roku and said, it was a mistake, I never should have let you go. Yeah, we broke up and we got back together again. Everyone loves those stories. Well, instead, it's an old school cable TV company. Fox Corporation is buying Roku. You see, Besties Fox needs to show their investors that they can evolve as cable TV subscribers age out of the market. Fox's answer had been Tubi, a free streaming network they acquired back in 2020.

14:14And now Roku, which it acquired yesterday in a symbolic cutting of the old cord. But investors, not happy. No, they weren't. Like Bill O 'Reilly, if the intern accidentally catered a vegan lunch for the team. It's a pummeled Fox stock by 17 % on Monday. And the reason is our takeaway. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over at Roku? This is a financial facelift. Fox is spending$22 billion to look younger. Way younger. Oh, besties. The median age of a traditional cable TV subscriber is 65 years old today. Like, that's golden bachelor status. The average age of a Fox News viewer is even older, Nick.

14:5471 years old. So Fox's stock, it looks like social security. It's going to eventually run out of money simply due to the demographics. That's a very elegant way to put it, Nick. And father time. So they need to get younger. They need to reach younger viewers. They need younger advertisers. Meanwhile, one in three Roku users is Gen Z and 53 % of Roku users are under the age of 45. And Jack Roku has become an advertising juggernaut and it is profitable because of it. One of the reasons investors are mad today, Fox could have bought Roku years ago when the stock was a fraction of the price. They knew everything they knew now.

15:29They knew it six years ago. But now here's Fox spurging$22 billion, four lifts for Roku, three times the price from six years ago. Investors are not happy with this too little, too late, get young, fast scheme that Fox is trying to pull off. The stock fell 17%. So Fox, they're spurging$22 billion to get younger, way younger. This is a financial facelift. Now, a quick word from our sponsor. Top hats, baseball hats, Von Dutch hats. We wear so many hats on this podcast. Honestly, we're not great at all of them. No, we've been avoiding hiring someone to wear those hats instead of us, especially the Von Dutch one, because hiring and training can take forever.

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17:49If your revenues are at least in seven figures, go to netsuite.ai slash tboy. Built for every industry, ready for every boardroom. netsuite.ai slash tboy. For our third and final story, have we hit peak handbag? Because the data says, oh honey, put down that Birkin. And Nick and I traced it all back to a Shibuzi song, Pineapples and Palaces. We'll explain. But first, Yetis, last year, Jack and I actually did a whole deep dive episode of the best idea yet on the Hermes Birkin bag, right, Jack? As a surprise, Nick put me on the wait list for a Birkin bag, which is like years and years long, right?

18:33Still no call. No, still no phone call. Because once I get the call, I have to spend like 25 grand, right? Yeah, actually, I think I have to buy like 52 scarves before we actually can get you access to one of these handbags. That's a story for a different pod. But yet he's first century. The handbag has been the ultimate fashion accessory for human beings. That's right. From Coco Chanel to Carrie Bradshaw to maybe even Mugatu. But a Wall Street Journal report shows that sales of luxury handbags are down 10 % from their peak three years ago. We're talking 73 billion euros a handbag sold last year versus 81 billion in euros sold in 2023.

19:06Was it the house of Gucci? Yes. We think that terrible movie had something to do with the decline. I mean, the accents, come on, Leto. So fashion brands are cutting supply of handbags to match the reduced demand. That's right. Luxury houses produced 80 % fewer handbags in the last couple of years, just to try to support the current price levels. The handbag, it's a blue chip piece of the luxury wardrobe, but apparently nothing is too big to fail. But besties, here's a T-boy original. What Jack and I find fascinating is that we think one hit song from Shibuzzi explains the handbags decline. Yes, the Virginia born country slash hip hop artist.

19:39His song was number one for a record 19 straight weeks in 2024. That song, Tipsy. And the summer, 2024, the same time that handbag sales peaked. A key line in the chorus of Tipsy is, my baby bought a Birkin. She's telling me all night long. And he repeats it like three times. He named dropped a$25 ,000 Air Mays handbag in the most popular song in America. Now, if that happened to Levi's, they would be thrilled. They love pop cultural moments like when Beyond Beyonce put Levi's in the title of one of her songs. Levi's stock jumped as soon as Beyonce name-checked Levi's. But Birkin didn't love the exposure from Shabuzi.

20:17They did not, Jack. It mainstreamified something that's supposed to be exclusive. They don't want to be in any stream, main or otherwise. Because accessibility and aspiration don't mix. It's our golden rule of luxury. You can't put up a velvet rope and then let everyone in. A Birkin buyer doesn't want people to think they bought it because of that viral song by Shabuzi. They want mystique, not memes because that maintains the margins. Now, Shibuzzi is obviously not the only thing to blame here. Most of luxury is down, not just handbags. But back in 2023, 44 % of Arame's sales were handbags. Because Arame's was so dependent on the handbag, the stock is down 25 % since.

20:52And Jack, 77 % of Bottega Veneta's sales are currently handbags, which is why that stock is down 30%. But besties, this peak handbag phenomenon, it actually has a lesson for every status symbol out there, doesn't it, Jack? So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over in fashion, honey? Is it a palace or a pineapple? Yetis, back in the 1600s, the pineapple was a rare exotic delicacy. It became a symbol of wealth. Because only wealthy aristocrats could afford to import that exotic fruit from Hawaii or wherever else it was produced. They even added the pineapple to their family crest to show it off.

21:29On the other hand, for much longer than the pineapple, palaces have been a signal of wealth too. Some people did put pineapple statues around the grounds of their palaces to like double make clear how wealthy they were, Jack. But eventually trade made the pineapple commonplace, so it lost its status symbol. You're not going to have pineapple at Walgreens. But real estate remains scarce, so the palace maintained its status symbol. So the question facing the handbag right now is will it end up like the pineapple or end up like the palace? Accessible luxury is a powerful force and people love dupes.

21:59Handbags could become commonplace like pineapples? Or, Jack, will a quince knockoff fail to crack the allure of a true luxury handbag like the McMansion hasn't affected the allure of a true palace? Pineapple palace question. Jack, could you whip up the takeaways for us for T-Boy Tuesday? Hirox is reportedly on the verge of investment from Louis Vuitton's venture arm. Hirox is the fastest growing sport because it gives winners media instead of medals. For our second story, Roku is getting acquired by Fox Corp for$22 billion. Oh, this is a very expensive and very dramatic financial facelift. Fox, they need to look younger.

22:36And our third and final story, peak handbag, yes. Sales of luxury handbags by Hermes, Chanel, and Louis Vuitton are down for three straight years. Instead of the palace, the handbag, kind of looking like a pineapple. But besties, this pod's not over yet. Here's what else you need to know today. First, ATH all-time highs. Stocks rose to record numbers is as President Trump announced a deal with Iran. Oil prices fell to a three-month low as Trump said that traffic would resume through the Strait of Hormuz. But besties, the details are still TBD. The signing is currently scheduled on Friday in Switzerland.

23:09And with so many faux breakthroughs in this war, we'll cover this deal if it becomes official. And second, Google's Sunder Pichai was the graduation speaker at Stanford last weekend. And Jack, how did it go? He didn't mention AI. Smart move. He learned a lesson from the previous Google CEO, Eric Schmidt, who was booed off the stage for talking about AI earlier in the season. But this was Stanford, so there probably were more chatbots in the audience than students, actually. And finally, SpaceX stock continued its rise on Monday, trading at$193 by the end of the day. That's mooning. That's up 42 % from their$135 IPO price on Friday.

23:45The appetite is so hot, the investment bankers issued an additional 83 million IPO shares. And it's a freshly cut SpaceX. So the total new stock sold in SpaceX's IPO, 85.7 billion bucks. It'll use that money to build data centers with built-in solar panels so they can launch them to orbit to send AI to Mars. Sorry, got my planets mixed up. Now time for the best fact yet, this one, an answer to our T-Boy Tuesday trivia. Jack, you ready for this one? Yeah. Okay. Remember the question, why do we Americans call football soccer? I mean, you spoiled it in the intro. has something to do with the Brits, right?

24:21Yeah, because the origin of the word soccer is not American, it's actually British. Get this, the British term soccer goes back to Oxford University, 1880s. Students there were trying to distinguish between two different sports. One was rugger football, do you know what that is? No. That's rugby. And the other was association football, which is the current kicking football we know today. You shorten association to a soccer, which American football players picked up to avoid confusion between European football and American football. But didn't the Brits invent soccer? So like what they call it, shouldn't that be what the whole world calls it?

24:58Well, to answer that, Jack, you'll have to speak to other Oxford historians. A story for another pod. Yetis, you're looking fantastic out there. Jack, you're glowing, even though you did have to pay 12 euros to use that urinal at the beer garden. Okay, my biggest culture shock, milk in Germany is not refrigerated. You just like buy it off the shelf and you don't have to refrigerate it. Besties, the European mind cannot comprehend we have gas stations with 300 bathrooms known as Bucky's. And if you've got more, drop them in the comments. Jack and I will get them on the pod.

25:37And before we go, a happy birthday to legendary Yeti, Jesse Carrasco, surfing for the big day in Dana Point, California. Happy birthday to Wes Yang in Las Vegas, Nevada. And Ramsey's Gonzalez, we see your birthday down the street in New York City. Celebrate the wins. Happy birthday to Ryan Carr in Tampa, Florida. And Katie Jack, great last name over in Seattle. Happy birthday. And happy one-year anniversary to Megan Choi for living in New York. Thanks for timing it up with the Knicks winning the NBA Finals. We owe you one, Megan. And Elizabeth and Michael, happy one-year wedding anniversary down in North Carolina.

26:09And congrats on the Stanley Cup. And congratulations to Jonathan Fisher for that one and a half times pay raise, the seven year dating anniversary. And I had the sincere pleasure of meeting you at the Middlebury reunion last year. Oh, this guy's going to the Boston Live show. Can't wait to meet you there, Jonathan. And the final shout out is a wild one. Ryan Sella wants to shout out a fellow Yeti whom he ran into on a flight from Mexico City to Los Cabos, Mexico. The plane was taxiing to the gate. And when he heard, this is Nick, this is Jack coming from somebody's phone, he asked, did we just become best friends?

26:45One more final shout out. A happy anniversary to Molly. Congratulations, Molly. That was such a blast. It feels like just yesterday we're on Nantucket celebrating. June 16th, 2018. Wonderful, wonderful ceremony on Nantucket Island. Great girl and great speech, by the way, Jack. That was fantastic. How about that cannon? How about that cake?

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