The 1990s Horror Movie Canon and ‘I Know What You Did Last Summer.’ Plus: The ‘KPop Demon Hunters’ Revolution.

27:01So let's meet the kids where they are. Right. It's really striking. It's also something that I've been pointing out over the last couple of years, which is just like, this is the same story of success, new but familiar. This is like, these are things that you know about, but you've never seen them quite like this before. You've played Minecraft, but have you seen it in a movie? You know about Barbie. Have you ever seen her story told this way? Like the things that kind of pop in the culture now that go bigger than the just like, you know, the balance sheets have cleared for Superman. Stuff that kind of elevates a little bit beyond that tends to have...

27:32It's not creatively revolutionary, but it just feels a little bit different than what the last 10 or 15 years have felt like. This is a very strange thing, though, because one, it's on Netflix, and so obviously their native audience is massive, but it's hard for things to become phenomenons as movies on Netflix. Made by Sony, though, right? But it's made by Sony. This is the fourth Sony film that... This one, I'm not quite sure. so the Mitchells vs. the Machines four years ago that was COVID they like picked that movie up during COVID that's a really good animated film and gets a lot of burn in my house still I really liked it I had the filmmaker on when it came out I didn't realize that both Wish Dragon and Vivo were also Sony Pictures animation movies and those are seen as Netflix movies Vivo had a Lin-Manuel Miranda soundtrack on it those movies have been seen quite a bit in my house so now there's this movie this is the fourth one and then the fifth one fixed the Genndy Tartakovsky movie which is like kind of a Ren and Stimpy-esque, like PG-13 raunchy dog comedy, is also coming out in August.

28:31My question is, why is Sony selling animated movies that people want to see to Netflix? This one is, I mean, I don't know if it's hindsight because you see the kind of response this is having and you're like, why did they just give up hundreds of millions of dollars? There's no way they would have reached as many people in theaters, of course. It is a little bit though that it's finding the distribution to get to that. And the fact that, I mean, do you know how many times your daughters have watched it at this point? Well, one is safely at camp without Wi-Fi. But otherwise, and by the way, in terms of communication from camp, the only thing that has gotten an exclamation point to me is the fact that I watched and liked this movie.

29:08That has saved my summer as far as I'm concerned. But no, I think we're at three or four, and then when she gets back, we're going to get into five and six. And that's, you know, it's hard to repeat in the same way. Like, does it become the same level of phenomenon in theater? Maybe not, but Sony movies are already in the S-bod window. So this movie was going to Netflix no matter what. So it's unusual now. This is four movies in a row that I think could have at least made some money theatrically. Theatrically. Can you guys, in your role as watchers on the wall of this stuff, is there connective tissue here or a discussion point in relation to the one thing that the COVID windows taught us, right?

29:52About if you put Pixar movies on TV, then families and kids are like, why are we going to the theater for it? We get it at home. But this is an inversion of that. That's what I'm saying. So is there some lesson to be learned? I think previously Pixar was theatrical. and these movies don't have any kind of native setup. They're just sort of, they're just new movies that are on Netflix. So I don't know if there's a lot you can glean from it other than, I'm sure Sony is getting paid a premium to put these movies on the platform first and that's a financial decision that they've made but in doing so, they are doing the same thing that Disney and Pixar accidentally did which is that they harmed their theatrical power by not making these a primary part of their strategy in terms of putting movies out and Sony, you know, it's like they're not having the greatest year in the world.

30:34I just watched another Sony movie called Until Dawn, which is a video game adaptation horror movie that they put out earlier this year in theaters that kind of bombed. And I think people are watching on Netflix now, but isn't very good. So, you know, I don't have the balance sheet answer for this, but this was clearly going to be a movie that was going to connect with people just on the strength of the pop songs. The fact that five of the top seven songs on Spotify are from this movie is remarkable. The other two are episodes of The Big Picture, I believe. Can neither confirm nor deny. Probably not the Fantastic Four episode.

31:05No, I turned that off into dust. I don't know what got into you guys that day. So your kids have seen Elio? Yeah. Yeah. Dog Man? My younger daughter saw it without me. She went with a friend. And a parent. They are not. Sure, yeah, yeah. Nijia 2? I don't know what that is. It's the highest grossing film worldwide this year. That's right. I was just testing you. It's a Chinese movie. You passed. Thank you. Smurfs? No, even there. Like, come on. Yeah. I mean, everybody knows. Will they see Bad Guys 2? Very excited for Bad Guys 2. Big Bad Guys fans. Okay. SpongeBob movie search for square pants. Can't imagine it because culturally that has no relevance to them.

31:41They're too young. They're too young and I'm too old. I don't know any of those square, so I don't get that one. Zootopia 2. Okay, great question. Super pumped. Also, may I say, before my screening of Fantastic Four First Steps, truly a great film that I saw this weekend, there was the Zootopia 2 trailer. Yeah. and my daughter and I were so thrilled not just she was thrilled because there's a Zootopia 2 this trailer doesn't have any scenes from the movie it's just they're dancing yes it is it's a TikTok video let's do more of this there is a trailer that communicates the two most important things one this exists and then for everyone else they're like this has style this has personality it's good for a sequel I think it would be a hard sell if it wasn't a rich oh sure but I'm saying we don't need the whole I don't disagree you know now that said because of our recent summer movie viewing my eight year old has now seen the action trailer for One Battle After Another twice and come with us opening night does not think this is going to be a good film okay really really really negative on this and then got more negative when I said see that guy that's Jack from Titanic oh no it's not that's really funny no it's not that is the hard movie of the year you guys have watched Titanic already well again when you have the two kids my older daughter is obsessed with it.

32:59Yeah, of course. And then the younger one. Titanic is going to go so hard in my house. The younger one is going to go. I mean, I'll come over for that one. That's going to go crazy. It's going to be incredible stuff. By the way, sidebar, I feel like all of us or at least two of us wandered into the filming of Cliff Booth this weekend on Figueroa. We did. I did as well. We went to go see it because I read that it was happening and now my son is just like absolutely obsessed with crane shots and was like also like mansplaining them by the end. He was like, so the cameras that go up there, they're sleeping right now.

33:25This is a serious request. Yes, I already asked Sean this. If anyone listening has any recommendation of behind the scenes or like making of footages of like of big, big crane shots, because we obviously went on YouTube and it's just like dudes with their like, you know, little 12 foot rigs. As someone who has made a TV show, this tracks with all male directors, like of any age. I said he's born to be a cinematographer 100%. But I would like let us know because like I showed him like famous shots and he was like, but where's the crane? So that's what he wants to see. I recommended some of the Indiana Jones behind the scenes stuff.

33:58I feel like there could be some good. Do you, my kids hate the Indiana Jones movies. Just uninterested. There's no K-pop team in hundreds, I guess. Uninterested. So, so we, you know, right now in Highland Park on Figueroa, the old movie theater and then the shops are there transformed into the, you know, I guess early seventies of this or late sixties of this film. So the Zenith store. Zenith store. There's like a woman's dress. It looks great. It's going to be, it's a perfect setting for this. Do you feel like this is going to affect your movie? knowing that at any point Cliff Booth could cross the street and pay$19.50 for an artisanal turkey sandwich at Cookbook.

34:31I mean, we did buy the amazing Cookbook banana bread after our visit. We will not be slandering Cookbook on this podcast, I want you to know. That is a... I have been Cookbook loyal since I lived in Echo Park. Sure, me too. As I'm sure you were. I have to tell you. But the sandwich now costs $90... I'm going to look into the camera. Those sandwiches are coming directly from Europe and these tariffs must end. That's one of the first things I ate after I gave birth to Sai. Sure. I was like, Bring me the turkey sandwich that I've not had for like 10 months. That sandwich should be reserved only for people who have done incredible things.

35:03Thank you so much. Yes. Yeah. Not for just the crew of the Avengers of Cliff Booth. You know what I mean? It is really nice that they're filming in Los Angeles in our neighborhood. That was it for this movie. It's great. Very great. Andy Greenwald, one of the best out. This is fun. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for letting me be a demon hunter. Any other films that we reviewed that you vehemently disagreed with us on that you would like to call us out on right now? First of all, thank you for the opportunity. I would love to make this a recurring bit. I do think that we have mentioned every single film that I've seen in the last six months.

35:32Got it. Copy that. I think all three and a half of them have been covered. You saw Mission Impossible Final Reckoning. Yeah, you and Chris were mad. Big mad. That was really disappointing. It's not very good. I saw Superman. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Fantastic Four. Great. Saw Thunderbolts. Really liked it. I agree. It was good. All these haters forgot that I was like, Thunderbolts, good. Materialist. You seen it yet? Not yet. Check in with us. Not yet. I would like to have a conversation with you. I would as well. Because I'm a songstress. Okay. I love that first movie. I love Past Lives. Past Lives.

36:05This is a little different. I need you to do Materialist and Too Much. And then we'll come on the watch. Okay. Well, you're welcome for the Too Much conversation. Here's my Materialist thing. Can I do a before and after? Yeah. Sure. Past Lives, one of my favorite movies in the last few years. For me, I can't wait to see what this woman does next. and then of all the people she could make a movie with, she's at the height of her power, right? Like coming off that movie, she chooses Dakota to be in this movie? I don't abide the Madam Web slander. And that's what I call her. That's what her friends call her.

36:38They call her... Madam Web on a, yeah, just on a daily basis. I think she's powerful. She's a poor performer. Yeah, I don't. I just, it could be. She's not the only one in that movie. Here's the thing. Picking up Fantastic Four. I just don't, I don't get it. Like it's just, maybe it's just like, it's like a color spectrum I can't see. Preaching to the choir, Andy. Okay. I think Pedro is decent in Fantastic Four. He's, he's, it's a hard part. I mean, what's up with that man? He's just Gumby? Oh, well, his powers are dumb. Yeah. So I thought they, and always have been. Yeah, he's just like, he's just like stressed and bad at public relations.

37:16He's not. No, he's a smart guy. They didn't communicate that. He was really boring. The core of the movie that I feel like you guys missed, maybe, again, maybe this is a color spectrum you can't see. And I said this on the watch, but they get to the point where they're like, smartest man in the world, what's your solve here for the purple space god who's going to eat Earth? He's like, we're going to fucking teleport Earth. Yeah. That's comic books. I love that. That's insanity. Yeah. And the movie was like, cool, great idea. I wanted that. That made me happy. Yeah. I'm really happy you found something you like.

37:46It's nice. Thank you, Andy Greenwald. Look, this is basically like that web series where that guy argued with the fascists, right? It's a jubilee. You have the same setup here, and I was brave enough to do it. So let's see you guys step into the arena over across the hall, Studio 6. We'll have you back for the Fantastic Four second steps. Fantastic Five? No, Fantastic Four. Fantastic Franklin. Sick. Oh, there we go. Shit writes itself. There we go. He saved his mom. I know, yeah. But the mom has really saved everyone else, you know? And then she deserves a$19 sandwich. There we go. We're done.

38:21Solved it.

38:28Okay, Andy's gone. Just me and you. Yeah. We can finally talk about what we've been longing to discuss. I Know What You Did Last Summer. Yes. 2025. Yes. This movie is written and directed by Jennifer Caten Robinson. It is co-written by Sam Lansky. It stars Madeline Klein, Chase Suey Wonders, Jonah Howard King, Tyreek Withers, Sarah Pidgeon, Billy Campbell, among others. This is a legacy sequel slash reboot of, I would argue, the second most significant, not second best, but second most significant teen slasher in the 1990s rebirth of horror. Yes. The Oppenheimer to Screams Barbie. That seems a little generous to I Know What You Did Last Summer.

39:14It's important. And it did. And if you were there, which we were, it was a pop cultural moment that brought in a whole new genre or introduced a generation to a whole new genre. Brought, I think, horror a little more mainstream and more pop and introduced a lot of very important stars. So I Know What You Did Last Summer is extremely important culturally, the original. Yep. It was a hit. a solid hit for its time. I revisited the movie a couple of months ago. I don't know if you had a chance to look at it again. Not the greatest script in the world. Not the best performances you've ever seen. But you know when you can tell you're watching a studio movie from the 90s and all the people who are on the crew have spent 28 years learning their craft?

40:01And the movie just weirdly looks beautiful for a Hollywood movie. It's lit gorgeously. The staging is really nice. Real locations. it has like a it's not a great movie by any means but it has a kind of quality feeling that is not just I'm not just speaking prismatically through my own nostalgia because the script is not good but it looks better than I think what a lot of films that are shot on digital look like now it is contemporaneous with Dawson's Creek and also written by Kevin Williamson who created Dawson's Creek it is set on like the you know the southern coast much like Dawson's Creek of the American south sure And, you know, Dawson's Creek was also featured in like J.Crew catalogs in the 90s.

40:45There is this was an aesthetic that was was being created and was powerful in the moment. So, yeah, it's I agree. It's not as good as Scream. And it is and it is like lightweight, like amateur Scream in a lot of ways. It was for the me's of the world and not for the use in the 90s. but it's still something that we should respect. One of the best things that has going for it is its title. And it's sort of premise of receiving a note about the guilt that people feel. Anyone can relate to like, oh, that one thing I did. I hope no one finds out about this one thing that I did. And of course it has this cast in 1997, Jennifer Love Hewitt at the absolute apex of her like every guy I knew was Gaga over her.

41:31Sarah Michelle Gellar. I don't know if it was during the Buffy, the Vampire Slayer run, might have been right before she started as Buffy. Freddie Prinze Jr., who would go on to marry Sarah Michelle Gellar and was a bit of a heartthrob of his own at the time. And Ryan Phillippe. So you've got these four very well-known actors, in addition to Johnny Galecki, who would go on to be on Big Bang Theory. And there's a lot of recognizable faces in that movie. Again, like I said, a movie that I think is fun, but never really meant a whole lot to me. It did get a sequel in 99, 2000 maybe. Yeah. That is not very good.

42:01No, I don't even remember what happens in it, though I did see it in theaters. there's a continuation of the hook handed killer the hook handed killer is good in my opinion it's good it's a bit of a rehash of some 80s stuff well sure but it is also like the one ghost story that you got told at camp the person with the hook you know so again it is I understand it is really really mainstream like kind of lame starter horror stuff for people who had it on vinyl or whatever but like it It's a good conceit. You nailed it. That is the perfect way to describe it. And it's one of the reasons why I think it crossed over.

42:39It's like all the horror heads were like, I got to go see this, even if it's not that good. Yeah. And a lot of young men and women, teenagers who watched Dawson's Creek were like, I got to go see this. Party of Five, et cetera. Yes, exactly. It was a certain era. Now, we actually exist in a somewhat similar era culturally. When you look at this cast in particular and some of the movies and TV shows that they've starred in, for example, Madeline Klein, the movie's really being sold on Madeline Klein. One of the stars of Outer Banks, one of the stars of Glass Onion. you know, kind of your typical young blonde ingenue.

43:08And even though she isn't the main character of this movie, it's interesting how much they have focused on her in the marketing of the movie because Chase Sui Wonders is really the key final girl. And the story, again, takes place in Southport. It is, again, about a group of friends who one night after a party are driving on the road. They find their way to Reaper's Curve. They get into some trouble and then boom, all of a sudden someone died. Now they feel a modicum of guilt. that death. Whether or not they are responsible for that death is something I would like to explore with you as to whether or not this movie even works at all.

43:41But before I say anything else, what did you think of I Know What You Did Last Summer 2025? I thought this was disrespectful to its audience. I was angry. I thought this was disrespectful to the 90s and to those of us who remember the 90s and also to the young people of today who deserve better in their storytelling, in their kills, honestly. And I'm not an expert. And I was like, what is this? Who shot this? Why is this? Why are we cutting away at all of the... I mean, just the blocking was very unimpressive. Obviously, the ending is just silly. But we, I mean, we have to stop saying the T word.

44:22We just have to stop saying it. Like, I understand that... Trauma. Yeah, there is real trauma throughout the world. and also in every single horror movie ever. And again, I'm not an expert and I know that it's all a metaphor for people exploring some tough stuff that happened to them. But when we have to spoon feed it on a chalkboard with Jennifer Love Hewitt reanimated, like I can't, I'm out. It's so, it's condescending. Yeah, I think that one of the challenges of this movie, which I think is dreadful, like really one of the worst movies of the year. It pains me to say that. I would love for a teen slasher to be a lot of fun.

45:02I love slasher so much. This movie can't decide if it wants to be like a camp satire of the original film and all slashers or a serious meditation on what trauma is. One of my biggest problems with trauma horror in the last five or six years is not showing us what happened to the people. At least in this case, we are seeing the trauma transpire. Well, one generation. and you and I have seen the others. We have seen the others. And this movie flashes back literally to the older film, which looks better than this movie. And also makes these beloved actors give you dense, poorly written exposition that they're not feeling as they're delivering it.

45:45How about that? Yeah, I mean, here's a huge problem. The characters in this movie are so thinly drawn. It's not that the prom queen and the brown-haired, mousy, normal girl who's also Jennifer Love Hewitt in the original film were the deepest characters. It's not One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest in the original film, but in this movie, it's literally the blonde hot one, the hot one who's not blonde and is actually the final girl. It's the bland guy who you don't remember his first name. It's the jock who drinks too much and it's the skinny outsider girl. We don't know anything about these people that isn't exposition to us for one minute.

46:23They have no defining personality traits. They're just kind of floating through this story. I completely agree. And the characterization is only, did you have a trauma or not? That's the only development. I did think some of the performances were enjoyable anyway. I thought Madeline Klein was very good. I thought Tyreek Withers was very good. And Sarah Pidgeon, I enjoyed as well. Yeah, they're fine. They're fine. Listen. They're not bad. It's not their fault. They're not bad. I think it's a huge misuse of Chase Huey Wonders who like if you watch the studio. She's like is an actress with a real sense of humor.

47:02And this is a movie that doesn't really let her get to be funny until the final minute of the movie, which is one of the biggest misstrokes in the whole film. Yeah. She does. Her styling is pretty good. I was sure. OK. Well, and I just she was wearing a lot of little socks with her sandals. and I felt, I thought she looked great and I also felt like as old as the sun when I was watching. I was like, this is for people way younger than me. Is that a trend right now? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For like, for many years. Socks with sandals. Little socks, little ankle socks. Little ankle socks with sandals.

47:32Or with the loafers. Okay, great. This is like three or four years now running. Come on, I need you to... Not something I'm aware of. Okay. Not gonna look into it either. I... Just used to quit. Let's go, let's, let's, wait, let's, let's explore what happens in this movie, right? Okay. So in the original film, The four friends are out drinking down on the beach one night after Sarah Michelle Gellar's character is named like queen of the town, right? She's the young teen princess of the town. And they're getting rip shit and they're driving home. The driver is sober, but Ryan Phillippe is like standing up through the sunroof of the car and going crazy.

48:07And they hit a drifter with their car. And they think they killed somebody and they leave the scene of the crime, right? And they bear this incredible guilt. and then they start getting stalked one year later by either the person they killed or someone that was related to it or whatever. In this film, the Tyreek Withers character is high and he's playing in the road and a car goes by and he almost gets hit by the car and his friend Milo saves him and then another car comes immediately after that and they're still kind of standing in the road but they're pulled off to the side of the road and the car swerves and drives off a cliff.

48:43Okay. So this is not like ideal. This is not something you want to happen. It's not ethical what they do in the aftermath of this. No, which is go back to the rich dad's home and he quote unquote handles everything. Yeah, but they call the police. The police come to survey the scene of the crime. Like they do call the police and then they leave the scene and they don't go to the police and tell them what happened or what their role was in it. Now, again, this wasn't a nice thing to do. Yeah. But this is a critical error to me in the movie. And I'll tell you why. Okay, go ahead. This movie wants us to love its characters.

49:23It wants us to be on their side. And it wants us to make sure that they don't die. This is a slasher movie. The teenagers have to die. Right. That's the whole point of the movie. The movie is not that they're actually good kids. These are rich kids from Southport. Yeah. But they have trauma. Fuck that. So it's like they've got it. I agree with you. It's so stupid. It's such a poor idea. Like, there has to be something in it. Like, even the Tyreek Ridders character, who is, like, the worst one of the group, is just, like... He's actually very charming. Is pretty entertaining in the movie and is just, like, a rich alcoholic.

49:56Yeah. You know? And that's fine. The idea that we are not, like, excited to watch these people get killed... Right. Because we have to like all of them. Because everyone has to be relatable. and you can only have like quote unquote good characters in your movies and Pedro Pascal can't work in private equity. You know what I'm saying? Like it's stupid. It is a problem. It is really a problem in a certain kind of studio movie. And these children need to demand more, you know? And really the people who are making entertainment for them need to stop condescending. Because that's why I think it is genuinely insulting to think that this is what people want.

50:33One of the best things about the first movie is that Sarah Michelle Gellar dies. Not that it's like great to watch Sarah Michelle Gellar die, but it's a choice that they make to kill off one of the most notable characters in the movie in a dramatic way. This movie has no stakes. They fake it a couple of times, but they're not even good fakes. I agree. It's a pretty big mistake. So the kids are too likable and most of them don't die. And the ways in which they do is, as you said, not very dramatic or very scary. It feels like a few filmmakers who have not made a horror movie before maybe lack some of the understandings of the mechanics of how to shoot sequences.

51:09And so it doesn't work that well. And they're using this IP to kind of springboard into an opportunity. Let's talk about the return of the original cast. Okay. So, spoiler alert, three of the four members of the original cast return. You might be wondering how that's possible given the events of the first film. We'll explain it. In this movie, Jennifer Love Hewitt's character is a psychology professor. Yeah, she specializes in, she's a trauma specialist. Yeah, Julia James. I'll come back to her. Still living in the town of Southport, and he will not forget the past, is Freddie Prinze Jr.'s character Ray, who is now a bar owner.

51:45And then in a, again, spoiler alert, bewildering dream sequence, Sarah Michelle Gellar's character returns to deliver a kind of speech to Madeline Klein's character about, what she's done and what's coming for her and the consequences of her actions. Who do you want to start with first? Well, I agree that in terms of story and logic, and again, insulting the audience, the dream sequence was very stupid. But I thought Sarah Michelle Gellar was the best of the three by far. And it's great to see her. She's a star. and she and Madeline Klein have a nice, but she's also doing like full cruel intentions, Sarah Michelle Gellar.

52:34She is. I'm just, I'm always happy to see that even if it's in a totally contrived dream sequence. She has kind of slipped away. She doesn't really act as much as she used to. I guess that's technically true for all three of these, I guess, former stars, but she immediately channels that character from the original movie. The sequence makes no sense and is pretty bad. why would Madeline Klein know exactly what this character how she speaks or how she acts in her dream sequence she's never met her and she died 30 years ago well I literally don't understand like is that dreams that's just fan service like that's all that sequence is that being said Sarah Michelle Gellar looks amazing yeah she does she has aged remarkably okay Freddie Prinze Jr.

53:16yeah this is tough you know tough beat not really ever one of the great actors well yeah And I'm not sure that Ray is one of the great characters. He plays a critical role in this film. Yeah. So he is the sort of caretaker of a young woman named Stevie, whose parents have disappeared and left her in Southport, and she is grieving over certain losses. She's lost all her money. She was a former friend of this popular clique. And because she has fallen on hard times, they sort of abandoned her and went off to college and started their lives. And she comes back into their lives with this incident and Ray, I guess, is like her business partner or something, turns out they've got more cooking than just working together because they're scheming on murder.

54:03Sure. Yeah, they're working together. Some of the weirdest murder plots you've ever seen in your life. Yeah, don't really make a lot of sense. And then he does have to carry the emotional weight of the turn and convey not just that he is the secret co-killer, but also he is the secret co-killer because of what 30 years of PTSD has done to him. Yes. And what it means to him and his community. And this script does not help but I would not say that that emotional weight is conveyed to us. Okay, so let me pitch something at you because I thought this was interesting. My friend Chris Rosen proffered a theory on Letterboxd that he was like, this would have been a lot better if the killers in this movie were actually just Ray and Julia.

54:55And that they went full bore, like, don't forget about us. Forget it. Like, this is what generations do. Sure, yeah. And it's not just the trauma of the past. It's that, like, there's a kind of narcissism in every generation. And we're getting our revenge on you because of how we have been wounded by what happened to us. I'm open to it. And there's, like, a glint of that in the speech that he gives at the end of the movie. Where he's kind of trying to gesture towards that, but also saying Stevie was devastated because Sam, her boyfriend, was the guy who accidentally drove off the cliff. And it's like, he didn't drive off the cliff.

55:30They didn't, like, push the car off the cliff. You know, like, he did have a car accident. And she needs to kill all these people that she went to high school with? I will say that I am not an expert on like, I'm not in the emergency services, but I don't know if their protocol as the car was balancing on the cliff was like helping. What would you do? What would you have done? Well, I just no one was thinking about catterweights, you know, like I. But would you have sat on the back of the truck bed? I was not good at physics, but there was some like simple machine stuff that we could have done there.

56:03Yeah, you just get you don't want to get on the vehicle and then fall with the vehicle. No, it's true. But they were just kind of like standing there. It took them too long to punch into the window. No, the other guy that I was inside punched out of the window. And that's why he fell. Oh, I see. Yeah. OK, I don't know. It's just in in that case, they didn't do the best that they could do. Yeah. Incompetence all around. Yeah. Sam, the driver, the five kids who failed to save Sam and then Stevie losing her mind thinking that it was their fault that Sam died. Does she not recognize Sam's car also in that moment?

56:41Well, we learned that it's the pastor's car and that Sam has been borrowing it. But she's like in the photos at the church. It's a great point. It's a plot hole. There are a variety of plot holes. I know, it's true. I'm just, you know, we're here. We spent our time watching this film. So now we ask the questions. Yeah. I can deal with plot holes in horror movies. That's not the biggest issues to me. I mean, to go back to the Chris Rosen theory of if it were Ray and Julie, I think that that works and is a lot better. It still does rely on a good script or a better script and also people, actors able to convey that level of emotional things and to show not tell, which is, you know, my major problem with all of the trauma plot line in this, which is just literally everyone.

57:32one's diagramming, I have a trauma, which is so, and I do, I thought Jennifer, it was very nice to see Jennifer Love Hewitt. Yeah. But, you know. It's tough. So let's try to, for those at home who don't really know about this or remember, there was a period of time, obviously she was born out of Party of Five. She played Scott Wolf's girlfriend on the series. And she hit in a series of movies, Can't Hardly Wait, Heartbreakers, this film, a handful of others. and she's an obvious object of affection for a lot of teenage boys, but I thought, not a great actress by any means, but kind of a good, weird comic energy.

58:13She could sit in a movie like Can't Hardly Wait very comfortably. Yeah, Amanda. Amanda, I'm very sorry for you. It's okay. You know, over time, she became more of a TV star. Eventually, she was the ghost whisperer, which I know you watched every episode of. She went what? She was the ghost whisperer. She whispered to ghosts. in what that was a show what happens I mean she whispers to ghosts but like where where are the ghosts are they around the world is she a globetrotting I think she was in New Orleans I want to say and you know there'd be ghosts down in New Orleans as we all know and she would help connect people with crimes that were committed and things like that is this like a CSI thing but supernatural okay but like was it on CBS yes it was I believe it was CBS okay for how many seasons yeah and she was also the star of the client list which was a series where she was like a madam.

59:02Oh, dear. I think that was on USA. Oh, right, right, right. And that was inspired by a news story or? I think there might have been flecks of Heidi Fleiss in there, but I don't know that it was really her life story. Wow, I didn't know about Ghost Whisperer. Oh, yeah, it was kind of a, I don't know if it was a big show. It's sort of like medium, but. Yes, but minus Patricia Arquette's talent, I would say. Well, yeah, I mean, once again, we're circling around a thing. Yeah. New Orleans is also just the wrong setting for Jennifer Love Hewitt. Ghost Whisperer, Melinda Gordon is a young woman who can communicate with the earthbound spirits of people who have died and who seek her help.

59:35She uses it to relay significant messages and important information to the living, but sometimes the messages she receives are intense and confusing, etc., etc. Let me just make sure I find out where this... No, this show takes place in Grandview, New York. I apologize to the fine people of New Orleans. Okay. I mean, I guess it's better than New Orleans, but I don't know. It's... Never been to Grandview. Can't say I know it very well. It's in Rockland County. Anyway, I bring all this up because JLH, you know, she used to mean something to a certain kind of person in this world. Her acting has not gotten better.

1:00:08No. And she's not very good in this movie at all. And it's a problem. It's a problem. She's not helped by the script. But when she comes on screen, people in my room, my audience were laughing. And it was a little mean. It was kind of a mean room, to be honest with you. Not the best crowd I've seen a movie with in the last few years. They were disrespectful. A lot of talking. Okay. My chair was kicked quite a few times. That is frustrating. Not ideal. I really lost it on my toddler yesterday because he was kicking my chair. It's really... Not one of my favorite things. It's enervating. It is. Yeah.

1:00:37And so you've got these three actors who are aging and who seem like nice people. I got nothing against them. They gave me a lot of joy in the 90s. But they also can't carry the load of this week's script. And... Who was that other guy who dies? Which other guy? I don't know. The boring guy. Chase Stewie Wonders is like sort of ex. That was Jonah Howard King. What's up with him? He was Prince Eric in the live action Little Mermaid film. Which I've seen. Sure. I've seen it too. I saw it in theaters. Javier Bardem, King Triton. I did as well. I didn't like that movie very much. I didn't either. He's just a bland guy with abs.

1:01:14Like, is he on Stranger Things or something? At this point, I can't keep track. No, I don't think he's on a show like that. I think he's just trying to make it into biz. Joseph Quinn was on Stranger Things. I learned that from Instagram this morning. That is true. Good for you. Nice find by you. Interesting. the most popular show the last five years. So, yeah, this movie's bad. Here's the thing. The ending is a nightmare for a variety of reasons. It's not just the reveal of Rey's involvement in the murder and the boat kill. The boat kill reminded me a little bit of Wild Things. Do you remember the movie Wild Things?

1:01:42Of course I remember the movie Wild Things. Featuring Nev Campbell, a star of Party of Five. We were there. It was something important. But then something happens at the very end of the movie. So, we learn that Madeline Klein's character actually survives a gunshot on the boat. Yeah. She, I guess, is washed ashore? I guess so, yeah. Because then she has like a dramatic coming back to life, much like, spoiler alert, Vanessa Kirby in Fantastic Four. That's true. Also, Chase Uwe Wonder survives. Yeah. And they're down at the old Southport Hospital. They're getting out of there. Sure, which has incredible merch.

1:02:18They're not getting out. I think they're just like on... Oh, they're just on a wander? Yeah, and they're wearing... Instead of hospital gowns, they're wearing like Southport, like hospital sweatshirts. And which honestly looked, I was like, this is pretty good. Hospital should investigate this. Yeah. And then they go for a sit down by the beach and they have a little chit chat. And then the movie just like record scratches into a completely different movie with funny dialogue. And I think at the end, Wonders says, we could have avoided all this if men would just go to therapy. Right. Yeah. Which I know is like a really funny joke from the internet, but the killer in the movie is a young woman who is traumatized by...

1:03:00Right, well, but then also another man. For sure. And then if the original man, if the original killer in the first one had gone... I mean, I think it sucks. So if the man in the first film had gone to therapy, we could have avoided this franchise? Yeah, so we didn't have to be mad that he was almost killed.

1:03:22not funny. There are a few jokes like this sprinkled throughout the movie of them trying to be like internet-y and like quote unquote hip. You know, there's one thing where Madeline Klein is like, have you seen the meme about how someone you love died? Would you still do your skincare routine? The answer is yes. So yeah, it's really annoying. What'd you think of the podcast host? Live, laugh, slaughter. Yeah. Live, laugh, slaughter. It was, it was funny. You know, did you feel indicted? No, because I don't really partake of the true crime industry. And I do think they're kind of weird. So I didn't mind sending that one up.

1:03:59And, you know, representation matters as we learn. So it's nice for us that everyone's out there. And she was hot. So as they say. They pointed that out a couple of times. She was hot. Very strange movie. Did not succeed at the box office at all. And I guess I'm a little bit surprised by that. we are getting a little bit long in the tooth on the 90s legacy sequel. Obviously scream has now had two iterations. We're getting a third iteration of the new cast, but they're refocusing on Sydney. Neve Campbell is back. She did get paid. You know, I, I, I pretty much like the last two screen movies. The first one, the return.

1:04:39Sure. I thought it was pretty darn good. The last one was quite silly, but I had fun. is that one with who is the guy in it? It's the same crew from the previous film. And one of the guys is stabbed like nine times but he survives. Yeah. A very memorable fake out death. But this does have me thinking about the 90s and what it was, what it gave us. It's obviously a signal decade on the podcast. 90s and horror is very strange. You for probably the first five years of the 90s fair to say were like not aware of anything that was happening in the horror space, I have to imagine. But then in the mid to late, I participated.

1:05:21You're a teenager, right? You're going to the movies. And it really does break out of the genre box. It does. It does. It kind of goes more mainstream than it had been. The late 80s are really defined by the big monsters that emerged from all the slasher movies. Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, Chucky, Pinhead. And the movies really bled those characters dry. Just Googling Pinhead. Oh, that guy. From Hellraiser, yes. Sure, yeah. I think there have been five Hellraiser movies. I think there have been like nine Chucky movies. There have been 12 Friday the 13th movies. You know, the list is long. And they were really every 18 to 24 months, you get a new one of these movies.

1:06:01I do want to represent them somewhat. The 90s is this weird place where there's some new stuff. You get some mainstream stuff like Scream, which is probably the most important movie of the era. But you also get some more high-toned stuff. And this is really where I think genre becomes a safe space for art, for lack of a better word. It doesn't mean that John Carpenter is not art. But those are mostly movies that were pitched at mainstream audiences. But now in this decade, you get a lot more films that are a little bit more experimental or a lot more foreign films that make their way overseas than we'd previously been getting in America.

1:06:41I'm not totally sure. The 90s is actually that much worse than, say, the 2000s. I've been thinking about this a little bit the last couple days. The 2000s for horror, the biggest trend was just remaking 70s and 80s horror movies. So off the top of my head last night, I just wrote down, Carrie, The Fog, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Last House on the Left, Hills Have Eyes, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Amityville Horror, My Bloody Valentine, Dawn of the Dead, Fright Night, House of Wax. All those movies got remade. Those are all horror movies. That was the 2000s, which we think of as like maybe a better time, but it might have just been a more popular time for horror movies.

1:07:19So the 90s are not bad per se, but I'm trying to figure out what happened. Okay. Why did the genre come back in the mid-90s after having kind of a fallow period in the early part of the decade? I don't want to get too galaxy-brained about Bill Clinton's America. Okay. But I think there's something in there. Yeah, of course. You know, something in there about illicit desire and scandal and cover up and, you know, the brain worms that a lot of people on the right had about whatever was going on with who killed Vince Foster and all that shit that I think bred a little bit of a genre shift in our thinking.

1:07:55I think you can attribute some of the like serial killer wave to a lot of that thinking too. That's a question I have for you as we get into this exercise. you know Seven and Silence of the Lambs and Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cure who we just talked about on the show are three of the best serial killer movies ever made. Are those movies horror movies? You were talking about this recently. In Chicago we talked about it. Oh, Silence of the Lambs? Yeah. Did we talk about it in person or on a podcast? We talked about it in person. It was me and you and Chris and Tracy in a car. Okay. On the way to the Steppenwolf Theater.

1:08:32Okay, I was like I've been a part of this recently. And you guys were defining it mostly through kill time. Well, that was a Chris that Chris was like, how many kills happened in this movie? And in seven famously, I think only one character is murdered. I think, right. Only, isn't only John Doe murdered, or I guess maybe the dying drug addict is, is, is shot. Right. And you do see more in Silence of the Lambs, but it is still focused on the investigation as opposed to the art of the kill. And the kill is set piece. Yes. I guess. Cure as well is a series of investigations. There is some perverse stuff that happens in it.

1:09:13And so, I mean, I'm kind of inclined to leave them off of this list. I think that's right. And just say that these are very special movies. They're great. If you want to say Silence of the Lambs is terrifying, that's understandable. But it makes it a little bit easier, I think, to navigate what matters from this time. Stephen King. speak on it obviously one of my faves I've watched every adaptation of everything that has ever been made of his work I stopped reading his novels a long time ago but I still will watch any movie of a novel that he has written we have a couple more coming later this year The Long Walk is out in September for example the 90s is interesting a bunch of movies you could make the case that the very best movies that were adapted from his work are not horror movies right because that's Shawshank yeah Dolores Claiborne and The Green Mile.

1:10:00Yeah. Romy Mars agrees. Romy Mars, what does she like? She likes Shawshank. Remember, she joined Letterboxd just to like Shawshank. Oh, what's in her top four right now? I honestly didn't check. Okay, you look it up and I'll talk. Here are the King movies that came out then. Misery, The Lawnmower Man, Needful Things, The Dark Half, Thinner. Not bad. Misery, the best of the bunch for sure. Misery would probably be right on the outside looking in for me. Okay. Movie I like, Great William Goldman script. amazing performance by Kathy Bates. The reason I'm not putting any King stuff on is because I think the best stuff is TV.

1:10:33All right. It and The Stand, two of my favorite things from the 90s. TV miniseries that wouldn't make the canon on a movie podcast. On a TV podcast, perhaps. That would be a good episode for The Watch. A miniseries episode. There've been a lot of great miniseries over the years. We've kind of had miniseries that have been bastardized by streaming. And then they're not really miniseries anymore. Then they just become, you know. There's eight episode shows and then they get a second season all of a sudden. okay so no king no serial killers David Lynch it seems like something different it does said with respect yeah Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me and Lost Highway make a lot of sense in the conversation yeah but they are also these movies are maybe more psychological thriller than pure horror right and they encapsulate my the feeling of horror in a lot of ways they freak you out and the horror of the everyday, but they are not Chris Ryan's like watching people get slashed.

1:11:33Yes. Definition. Always. Okay. This is a big one. Yeah. The Sixth Sense. Well, I mean, I think that this is pure thriller and not... There are ghosts. Oh, that's right. There are ghosts. But the ghosts aren't... Are they committing violence? No. Right. So I think violence is the dividing line. Oh, interesting. You think that's an organizing principle of horror? That's what we're working towards right now. Jack Sanders, can I get you to weigh in on The Sixth Sense? Is it a pure horror movie? Blind spot. Whoa! You've never seen Sixth Sense? Never seen it. Do you know what happens? I see ghosts, right?

1:12:14Little kid says, I see ghosts. No, no. Oh, dude. Tonight. Okay, don't Google anything. Don't say anything. You do actually need to watch The Sixth Sense. Oh my goodness. Okay, understood. That's great. That's a really cool blind spot to not know. Also, I can't believe it hasn't spoiled for you. Okay, we have to stop talking about it. I don't think it qualifies. It's right on the line. Yeah, but it's... It's also 1999 and it like changed a lot of things. It can also... Like, you could say that it's the exception that makes the rule, but like, I... You know, let's be purists. Okay. I know what you did last summer is not going on the list.

1:12:50I just want you to know that. I do know that. And I think that's really insulting. Okay. I want to acknowledge it. I also want to acknowledge the wave of teen dimension films, movies that came in the aftermath, which was totally a thing for us when we were in high school. Absolutely. Disturbing Behavior, H2O, the Halloween legacy sequel, Urban Legend, Idle Hands, Cherry Falls, Teaching Mrs. Tingle. These movies. Teaching Mrs. Tingle was also Katie Holmes, which was of the Dawson's career. Yes. There was a lot of connectivity. Teaching Mrs. Tingle was Kevin Williams' directorial debut. All of these movies, some of them are thrillers, some of them are pure horror some of them are horror comedy Teaching Mrs.

1:13:25Tickle is basically a comedy but it was like a it was a sub-genre that was very fun invariably most of these movies kind of suck but we had a nice time but we had fun yes we were having a lot of fun and whenever I'm like watching a really shitty Netflix streaming movie I have to go back to the place where I saw Disturbing Behavior and be like it's okay they can have their shit you know like I had my dumb shit that I like too I'm not going back to Disturbing Behavior anytime soon but it was nice that we had that. Okay, a couple of other... Well, let's just talk about what's going to make it. Okay.

1:13:58Because there's a handful of very obvious ones. Yes. So Scream. Yes, so Scream is standing in for all... You're with me on this. Yeah, Scream is the defining. I still remember I was in my Aunt Betty's basement where I watched the Braves finally win the World Series. Talk about a horror movie. And Scream, the original Scream. I was terrified out of my mind. Hell of a double feature for the freaks out there. But like, and also two defining events of the 90s. So... Braves down so bad right now it's the best I've renounced them so I don't care it's the fucking best and I've moved on I've freed myself I got no beef with the people of Atlanta fuck the Braves for real I mean you know many of the people of Atlanta also now have no connection to the Braves because they moved to Cobb County so that's fine but Scream was totemic an amazing it's number one on this list I would say I think a movie that actually still holds up obviously it's kind of self-awareness it's kind of literally metastasizing 20 years of slashers and regurgitating and clarifying what the rules are and how these movies work, I think taught a lot of people, myself included, how to watch movies.

1:15:03Yes. And that seems dumb, but I saw it when I was 14 and it rocked my world. I loved it. I still think it's a lot of fun. I wanted to pay homage to those monster movies and this movie, which I assume you have not seen this one, but Wes Craven's New Nightmare, which is... was I think meant to be the final Freddy Krueger movie and is about the real people who made the Freddy Krueger movies and then Freddy entering that world. And it is also a similarly kind of metatextual examination of the work that we make and what really scares us. And these are two Wes Craven movies together stacked on top of each other.

1:15:40And Wes is like getting to be a little bit forgotten right now. You know, he passed away a few years ago. He and John Carpenter are probably the two single most important filmmakers of that era, of the 80s and 90s, for this genre. So I wanted to give some love to that movie. Blair Witch. Yeah. Did you see it in the movie theater? I didn't. We rented it and saw it at home and I was still terrified out of my mind. Jack, Blair Witch Project, you've seen it? Yes, very scary. I revisited it last night. Final 20 minutes have not lost its power. You've heard it before. I'm sure people heard it on the rewatchables when Chris and Bill talked about it.

1:16:18I was 17. I don't know that I thought it was real, but it felt real enough to me. We didn't know. People freaking out of the movie theater. People crying at the end of the movie. Like, what just happened? Because a lot of people who weren't reading Entertainment Weekly who just showed up at the movie theater to see the sensation that night on opening night. And, you know, obviously, probably the most important found footage movie ever made. One of the best things about that movie is that it actually really sticks to the rules of found footage. And whenever you start to question why, it never really explores it so that there is a kind of like mystical unknown around why people keep filming during the worst thing that's ever happened to them.

1:16:57Right, yeah. That I think still really works very well. It's also 81 minutes and incredibly effective. Similarly to Scream, a movie that changed horror movies. So it has to be here. Now, I've got Bram Stoker's Dracula on here. Okay. What do you think about this? I mean, you know, at some point it's your list. And I guess it does, under like the rules of the genre and violence, it follows. I think monsters in general, I know there's a long and storied history of it, but like, eh. Out on monsters. I just, I'm not that scared. Interesting. You know? Okay. You're more afraid of a human with a knife.

1:17:36Yeah. Than a monster. Yes, I am. Yeah. I've got Bram Stoker's Dracula on here because it's arguably the best made movie, best made horror movie of that decade. Francis Ford Coppola with the most gorgeous production design, score, costumes. Right. You know, really good performances, give or take a Keanu Reeves. Like some great, I know that's rude, but he's not good at it. Oldman cooking up something amazing. The makeup design for that character is sick. and I think it's good to kind of recognize the importance of monsters to these movies. I do understand historically, but it's just kind of like, you know, it's not their fault.

1:18:17They don't know what they're doing. The monsters don't know? Yeah. Oh, you think they're tortured? Like it's their trauma? No, I mean, it's just, it's not that compelling to me. Okay, what about the wolfman as an expression of dulled masculinity? You know, the beast coming out. I honestly, I just get a little bored. I'm like, work it out on your own time. What about, you'll be seeing Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein on the Lido soon. I hope. And that's a story about... Jacob Elordi, so I'm fine with it. Well, you know, man controlling nature. Yeah. Right? And making up for lost time. Mm-hmm. Right?

1:18:55Yeah. And Mia Gough? I'm excited to see it. Okay. But in general, it just always seems like it's like a man who got a little bored and then created something that got out of his control. I'm like, well, that's a you problem. You're saying Dr. Victor Frankenstein was an incel? Could have been. Yeah. Could have been. All right. If Geppetto was a fascist. So I wanted to choose between Hideo Nakata's ring and Takashi Miike's audition. Now, I know you've not seen either of these movies. Yeah. Ring, of course, is the basis for The Ring, the Gore Verbinski smash from whatever, 2002. Ring is very upsetting.

1:19:40It's a movie about a videotape that if you watch it, seven days later, you die. It's good conceit. Incredible conceit. Executed amazingly. This is a brilliant movie. It's not quite as unnerving as Audition, which is a movie about an older guy who's seeking love. and is looking for a woman who can make him see the world anew. Yeah, I'll bet. And he meets a woman and the woman is not what he thought she was going to be. And things go horribly, about as horribly as you can imagine. Now, I think you should watch this movie in part because it's clearly a big influence on our friend Mark Anthony Green's opus.

1:20:22And there is a sequence in it that is pulled very closely from Audition. Okay. I'm gonna give it to Ring because it came first yeah but these two movies in terms of the new Japanese horror which almost all of these movies with the exception of Audition got remade in America and I think Ring is kind of the big bang of this stuff so I'm gonna put it there okay we're getting into like movies a man hasn't seen territory so just rock with me okay I've seen a couple more of these okay In the Mouth of Madness is probably John Carpenter's last masterpiece okay stars Sam Neill as a man going utterly insane and following the writings of a man named Sutter Cain who's a Stephen King-esque horror author who drives people mad with his visions of evil and the way that they want to follow his visions of evil.

1:21:10If only he'd gone to therapy. There are shades of that. I don't think that line is uttered in the movie. It was just announced this film will be released on 4K shortly. Okay, congratulations. In my text, Jane, we rejoiced. Great. You go, girl. Thank goodness. I felt good about it. Great film. Do they have Bring It On on 4K? They do, actually, because Mallory's Adam just bought it and wanted me to know about it. Mallory's husband, Adam. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they do. Okay. Just wanted to make sure. Birthday's just a few days away, Amanda. Okay, next is Candyman. Yeah. I don't think I've seen this, but I've seen many clips of it.

1:21:45Like, I'm conversant. This is the rare pre-scream horror movie that cracked through the subconscious at this time and stuck. Bernard Rose, English director, made this movie. Tony, the late great Tony Todd, we just talked about this movie that was a part of a trivia question in our Chicago movie draft set in the Cabrini Green Projects starring Virginia Madsen. And if you didn't say Candyman three times or five times in the dark room while looking into a mirror, you weren't a teenager in the 90s. That was something that you were dared to do and still works. Yeah. I don't love the legacy sequel remake that came out a few years ago from this movie, but the original still hits super hard.

1:22:27Event Horizon is for CR That's beautiful This is Paul W.S. Anderson's Not Paul Thomas Anderson Paul W.S. Anderson's masterpiece It's a movie about Well, lo and behold Sam Neill losing his fucking mind on a spaceship It's space horror It's the lone sci-fi horror in this movie Some very upsetting images In this movie I do not think you can watch this one But it's wonderful Incredibly scary and holds its power. Exorcist 3. All right. Was chatting with Tracy and Chris about this list when we were in Chicago and they both cited this as a pro. I thought this would be a good callback to the horror classics of the 70s and 80s.

1:23:13Now, Exorcist 2, starring, directed by John Borman, not good. Kind of incoherent. Right. Exorcist 3 features perhaps the great jump scare of the 1990s. Wow. Don't tell me. Maybe we can watch it on YouTube together. as soon as we're done recording this. This is next. DVD extra? Podcast extra? Could be. Yeah. Could be. Okay. Last but not least, funny games. Yeah. The German. Now, is this a horror movie? This is a home invasion thriller. I mean, things get gnarly. Yes. In this same conversation with Tracy, he said, this is the most scared I've ever been of a movie. About two preppy, tennis-clad young men who enter a family's home and absolutely terrorize and brutalize them for an entire evening for reasons that are unclear?

1:24:03I think, yes, it has to be. Because we're also counting like Speak No Evil as a horror movie. And that's very much in the tradition of. Definitely. And it's just the violence law that you created. Exactly. Just because they're preppy. Well, I think that's kind of the point. Exactly. Who was really brutalizing our lives in modern society. Right. Did we, was American Psycho part of this? I mean, it's 2000, so it's not eligible, but were we talking about that in this conversation? I don't think it came up. It would be an interesting, there's not really any satires on my list right now. I think Scream is probably as close as you can get.

1:24:39New Nightmare has some of that feeling too, but yeah, that's, I mean, it's definitely a contender. Right. I don't know if I was really scared of American Psycho. I think I felt very on the wavelength of its humor when I saw it. Right. There is something obviously very unnerving about it. Right, and also disgusted by, but the movie is also disgusted by what it's portraying. So, yeah. Obviously, Brady Snellis' novel, but a film directed by a woman, Mary Herron, and she has a pretty keen insight, I think, into what she's portraying. I'm going to give you my runners-up. Okay. Arachnophobia. Okay. I didn't do...

1:25:17Oh, my God, there are 30 movies on that. Are you just going to read a list of 30 movies? Well, some of them are, I've already said. Okay. Army of Darkness. Okay. I'm just this is for the heads who are just like, what about what about? Of course. Brain dead. Peter Jackson's extremely gory horror comedy. Cemetery Man. Yeah. Starring your boy Rupert Everett. I think this is the movie that got him my best friend's wedding job. The Craft. Yeah. This one I've seen, obviously. Yeah. I mean, you know, the girlies are like, why don't you put the craft on? I don't think Charlie X is going to come on our podcast now.

1:25:48Shit. It's good. I rewatched it. It's kind of in the I Know What You Did Last Summer. vein where I'm like, it's fun. But you're, I just, I think that you are looking at, yeah, you're a snob and you value different things. You know, I've heard that before. I've really, I've heard it before. Speaking of Guillermo del Toro Cronos, his first movie, I think this is really, really good. Death Becomes Her, kind of a horror comedy. Yeah, but like more comedy. More comedy, I agree. I've seen it. Did you know it's now a musical on Broadway? I did. Tony winning, I believe. Oh, really? I think so. Congratulations to them.

1:26:17It looks quite elaborate. I would watch that. You know, for my birthday, I got tickets to go see... What am I going to see? It's one of the August Wilson plays. It's playing in Pasadena. It's Joe Turner's Come and Gone. Oh, wow. Yeah, which I'm pretty excited about. That's cool. Yeah. Look at you supporting the theater. That was my gift for my wife. I know. That's a great job, Aileen. Again, I keep bringing up Tracy because we were talking about this a lot because he obviously is a man of the theater. And I don't really go as much in Los Angeles as I used to in New York. In New York, I was going to see shows all the time.

1:26:47So this year, I'm going to try to get back to that. Okay. A few fewer movies and more stage productions. Okay. That would make me happy. The Faculty. It isn't actually good. Okay. Obviously, it has some pieces of Sinners. Yeah. Kugler cited this movie a couple times in his press store for Sinners. I rewatched it and was a little disappointed. Ghostwatch is a British movie that I only recently saw for the first time, but is incredibly influential. Encourage people to check that out. the two Tales from the Crypt movies, Demon Knight and Bordell of Blood. They both rock. Yeah. Tales from the Crypt, I watched it every weekend on HBO when I was a little kid.

1:27:26I loved it. Laird Fessenden's Habit, just for the indie heads. A couple more. Leprechaun. It's fucking terrible. It stars Jennifer Aniston. Sure. It was a thing. Yeah. I mean, I remember it. There was a Night of the Living Dead remake that Tom Savini made in 1990. People Under the Stairs, also a Wes Craven movie. Okay. That's a movie about racism. Still holds. Yeah. Stir of Echoes. David Koepp, your favorite Jurassic Park screenwriter, hit one of his, I think it might be his, I think it's his second film after the trigger effect, a really effective horror movie with Kevin Bacon that I think you actually would enjoy.

1:28:02And then Tremors, which is a movie about giant monsters living under the ground that start eating up a desert town. All right. Also stars Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward. Okay. You feel good? Read your list. Okay. my top 10 is as follows. Scream, Wes Craven's New Nightmare, The Blair Witch Project, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Ring, In the Mouth of Madness, Candyman, Event Horizon, The Exorcist 3, and Funny Games, the German version, 1997. Much like its remake, you are being disrespectful to I Know What You Did Last Summer, but that's okay. Otherwise, I bless this list. Thank you. I appreciate your support in this effort.

1:28:41Thanks to our producer, Jack Sanders, for his work on this episode. later this week we're breaking down a pair of summer comedies maybe we'll make another canon while we're at it The Naked Gun and the recently released Happy Gilmore 2 I've seen both and we might have a special guest from the ringer joining us we'll see you then

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