Chriselle Lim On Personal Transformation, Healthy Breakups, Boundaries, & Embracing Change

34:58But it was fun. And I was like, this is an opportunity right now. People are loving it. They're wanting entertainment. I'm going full force Rich Mom. So I think I was uploading, I don't know, anywhere from five to 10 videos a day for a year as Rich Mom. It was insanity. But we're all locked up, right? In our home. We weren't. Yeah. How does that work? I don't know. I was having fun girl like it was fun to me and people were having fun with me and I saw clearly that there was a momentum here so I just went full force with it what was the first one that went viral oh okay it was when I was in Paris it was right before it was actually the last Paris Fashion Week before oh okay taking it back do you guys remember that movie Parasite yeah yeah with a Korean movie yeah so it was a Korean rich mom everyone thought I was her so it it launched that week I happened to be on TikTok like oh my god it's rich mom and I was like who's rich mom and I watched the movie and then so I kind of started impersonating her a little bit and it was really fun and I was in Paris for Paris fashion week so I made a video where I was like hi kids it's me you're rich mom something about like if you're gonna buy designer bags like buy it in Europe and or at the airport because you could save money on, you know, like the taxes.

36:21You better get some tips from Rich Mom, Michael Bostic. Something like that. I don't remember exactly what I was talking about, but it was in Paris. It was Rich Mom in Paris. And that thing just blew up. And and I just had fun with it. And so when did you decide to stop and why did you decide to try? And then why did you decide to stop again. Well, rich mom also was during a very hard time for me. It was when I was going through my divorce. So I kind of viewed it as my distraction. And I know this is not the healthiest way to cope. But when I go through something, I kind of get addicted to something.

36:58Thankfully, it's not like substance or alcohol or anything like that. But it's usually something. And for me, it was TikTok. And I just went all out with it. And it was like kind of a way for me to escape while I was going through that really hard time. And so I stopped when the, I think the divorce and the emotional piece of it was getting a little too much for me to handle. And I just couldn't, because it was acting essentially. I was acting like this fabulous rich mom and I just couldn't even get out of bed. I was at a point where I was like, man, like, I don't know what I'm going to do with my life.

37:36And so that's when I decided to take a break from Rich Mom. And yeah, she never really came back after then. How do you manage to get all this content up day to day when you feel like you can't get out of bed? It's it's again, it's not a healthy coping mechanism, but I think it distracts me. It distracts me from what I actually had to deal with. And so when I actually had to deal with it, that's when I kind of stopped. What are some behind the scenes that the audience wasn't seeing? You mentioned not getting out of bed, but what are some other things that you couldn't really maybe post or they wouldn't have understood at the time or you wanted to keep to yourself?

38:16Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of moments of me like on the floor crying of like, why me? Like, why am I going through this? What did I do to deserve this kind of heartbreak in life? And like my mom picking me up off the floor. My parents moved down. I grew up in the Bay Area in a small town called Danville up north. And they actually moved down temporarily to help me just while I was going through that period. It was hard for me to obviously even tend to my kids and be that super mom for them. So they were really there to help me and my kids during that time. But they eventually moved down because they, one, I think, love being with their grandkids, but also, two, I'm like their oldest daughter.

39:01And it's like heartbreaking to see their oldest daughter in such shambles. And so they ended up selling their house and moving in with me. So I was living with my parents for, I think, almost two and a half years as a grown ass woman. But I also loved it because when could I ever say that I live with my parents again after graduating college, after having my own life, my own career. And so those are the moments that you probably didn't see online. But it was like late nights with my mom. Like we would just be just at the table crying and being like, I don't know where life is taking us now. But let's just hope that you're happy again.

39:43And she would be like feeding me Korean food. should be homemaking like all of her soups and yeah it just she brought me back to life so it's sometimes weird I think as a creator when you have millions and millions of followers and you're sitting here saying that you just felt like you felt lonely and you felt sad I think that that's hard for some people to understand do you know what I mean because you have so many people who adore you and love you but at the same time you just felt down yeah I mean I think people often And I'm sure you guys, you know, get this a lot too, given that you have such a big platform.

40:18But I think people at the end, they forget that sometimes, whether it's an influencer, celebrity, public figure, we're all human. We all have emotions. We all have our own insecurities and anxieties. We don't display them all the time, or most of the time we don't display them at all. but I think they kind of put us to that expectation that life is perfect because maybe maybe we put out what our content looks like it's perfect so what I've changed in my content now is that I just talk and I show things that are really happening in my life not obviously anything that's too private, but just like the thoughts that are going in my head, because if I'm feeling it, someone else is feeling it out there.

41:09And I think I, not that I'm trying to be relatable, but I think women are more relatable to each other than not, no matter where we're at in the world, or we have a lot of the same thoughts and feelings. So I try to show that a little bit more now. on my doing this show for as long as we've done it you meet so many different people right and of different platform and different size and different success and like the one like common through thread is like at the end of the day maybe we're a little jaded by this now it's like people are just people right like and i think sometimes when you're watching or following people online or that have like some prominence in terms of like the platform or whatever yeah you you forget sometimes that like it's it's just kind of like a person that's just happens to be their profession and happen to have a little bit more attention from a visibility standpoint, but they have the same insecurities, the same vulnerabilities, same family issues, same kind of like they behave the same in person.

42:01Some of the people you would think would be the most confident and most secure that have come like are sometimes the most insecure because, you know, they're also having to live up to that kind of pressure of like holding that kind of platform and behaving in that kind of way. Right. So it's just interesting. You're just doing it for like close to a decade now. you just realize like that's people just people yeah i i believe that and i i was at a dinner yesterday do you guys know emma emma agreed yeah yeah so she hosted a dinner and it was i think it was pretty small but it was about like 30 entrepreneurs and just people within their field that are like just really crushing it and you know you everyone knows these people they're like Meghan Markle was there.

42:47You know, there's so many incredible people that are successful within their own right. And everyone got up to share the stories. And the common thread was, I'm so nervous to be speaking in front of all of you guys. And I'm so, I'm so insecure. Like I, I, like, I wish I could have more confidence like you, but we're saying that to each other. and so I think when we realize that we're just all human like we all are just figuring it out and we're just learning about ourselves you're able to have a deeper I think empathy for just human in general and people in general and just have a better understanding of yeah like no one's perfect except for Tom Cruise Tom Cruise is perfect yeah you think so unicorn couldn't be better I have this debate with people all the time you would leave me for Tom Cruise you're like a mini Tom Cruise i've talked i'll take it i've talked to everyone that i can talk to that's had any kind of connectivity to tom cruise people that have worked with them in big movies people that are you people that when you you think actually i could share this because he posted it i was on a boat with jamie fox weird story not going to get into it and i told him i said hey you worked with tom cruise in collateral i go is and you've worked a lot of people i go is there anyone bigger or is he the white whale is like he's top he's the top there's no there's no higher peak no deeper valley it's tom cruise and so that confirmed it confirmed it confirmed i think that's the only one that's a superhuman i think that you see yourself in tom cruise and you're looking think you're name a better body of work a wider longer career brad pitt no okay if brad pitt if he showed up if tom if you saw brad pitt like that's brad pitt that's cool but you don't see tom cruise out in the wild I hate to move on from Tom Cruise I'm going to If you see one of these guys That's cool sighting But you don't see him out in the wild And he can go international anywhere And it would be insane I think you need a career change to become Tom Cruise's Publicist If I get Tom Cruise on this show The next day I'm shutting the whole company down Please I'll shut every show down on Dear Media I'll shut the company down The show will be over I'll say we've reached the top That's mission impossible but 8 Mission Impossible is later over like what 3 decades Taylor oh Jesus Christ guys that guy I won't take up all the air time what when you're single and you're feeling ready to mingle does it take to date Chriselle like where do you even start with what you want in a guy well Well, I wasn't even looking to date.

45:39Like I was like, I could not date for the rest of my life. That was in my head. I was like, I get that. It's like you're tired. Yeah, it's fine. Like I don't want to date. And so I was in that mindset. Like truly, I was not trying to meet a guy. I was absolutely not trying to download the apps because I was so happy in my own energy with my own girlfriends. I was truly just living for me for the first time. I just wanted to have fun. Like that's all I wanted at the time. And because I started my career at a young age, I had kids at a young age. I never got to enjoy the successes, the outcome of my success, being able to have a little bit of money, go fly wherever I wanted, hang out with my friends.

46:28I never got to experience that. So for the first time ever, I felt like people were like, how does it feel and I'm like it feels like being in college but having money if it was so fun and granted it only lasted a year because then I met Sebastian who's my fiance now but I was not looking to today and I think what I realized was if anyone was going to come to my life and I still safe shoes to this. I have everything that I need. I have kids. I have my career. I have money. I have my family and my girlfriends. If anyone is going to come into my life at this point, it has to be additive. Like he has to add something that I don't have right now.

47:17And so when I understood that, I was like, I don't know if that exists. and so gotta be an asset yeah you gotta be an asset yeah you can't be at that point you're not bringing some guy and stringing him along if you and i divorce tomorrow you better be you gotta be huge asset i've set the bar so high i mean a huge asset huge i've set the bar so high for you that no i just i'm good i forget what you're saying you're good in your own energy no if i take it leave it yeah yeah so so what how does your fiancee at the time approach you to date you because you do have it all you and i that could intimidate some guys yeah and i think there's okay so i'm in fashion you're in beauty fashion kind of all of it there's not many i would i don't think i think i feel like you're you're i think you're beauty fashion yeah i'm i I think I'm beauty wellness more.

48:19Okay, beauty wellness, beauty fashion. It's very rare to meet a straight guy in this industry, right? And all I do is work. It's not like I'm going out to the club. It's not like I'm going out to like meet people. I don't really have a social life outside of like my mom and like my two best friends that are married and have kids. So I'm not out there like in places where I'm actually meeting people. And so when I actually first met Sebastian, it was in Paris for Fashion Week. It was the very first fashion week after the world shut down. It was after I made my announcement for my divorce. I was feeling good.

48:55I was like, man, I'm out here. I'm living my life. It's the first time in Paris since the shutdown. And I'm seeing my friends. I see my girlfriend, Jeannie Lee, who... Do you guys remember Satine Boutique in Los Angeles? It was like way... It was on Melrose. What was it? It was like a designer boutique. It was like the it boutique way back in the day. Anyway, she ended up going to work for Selfridges and her boss, which is Sebastian, my fiance, was with her at the Isabel Morant fashion show because, you know, essentially they have to buy collections. Right. But in my head, I'm like, OK, like he's a cute guy, but he's probably gay because he's a good looking guy in fashion.

49:39Jeffrey Star was here yesterday and he said only 5 % of guys are not gay in the whole world. In the whole world. In the whole world. I did question his statistics. I said, where are you pulling that from? And he just said basically the data that he's pulling himself. From ChatGPT? No, just from his own life experience. Own his life. So you thought Sebastian was just gay because you're in Paris and like it's fashion and you just assumed. Yeah. I was just like, I didn't, not because of like how he talked or how he dressed. I mean, I could tell that he's a well-dressed man, but because it's so rare to meet a straight guy in fashion, right?

50:14and so my friend was like oh chriselle this is sebastian my boss sebastian this chriselle and it was just like oh nice to meet you and then the next morning my friend genie was like hey we want to come over to get some coffee at your hotel and i was like sure so they came to our hotel and my hotel in the lobby were just having a chit chat and i had no idea why but she was clearly trying to set us up he was also going through his divorce at the time and so i think she was just like oh like this this could be good for both of them and he was living in london at the time and for me i was like oh it's not gonna happen like this is a mission impossible mission impossible right i'm telling you all roads lead back to tom cruise all roads lead to tom cruise so I was like if anything could just be like you know a fun flirty thing right so we just kept in touch and like a year goes by the next fashion week comes around and we see each other again and that's when I think we realized that we really liked each other and so that's when we kind of like made the move but it took us about a year and a half to to really feel like okay like we could do something about this and when did you guys decide to introduce the kids because you said he has two and you have two.

51:34It took a while and that was very intentional for me because again as much as I liked Seb I didn't know if it was going to work out. Our situation was too extreme so I was like I'm not going to introduce the kid to someone that might not be here in the next year or two especially given that he lives in the UK and so I think it was a year so for me it was two years after but a year for me after officially dating him when I was like okay like this is this feels like I could this feels right and solid and so I actually introduced them through the phone at first they never met and then I think it was two years after they actually met in person so were you surprised when he proposed yeah like I mean not surprised because we talked about it because we're both married and after you've been married the question is like do we really need this anymore so we talked about it a lot but at that moment at the place he did it at which was at the airport and because that's like where we we essentially are always at it was like what's going on like what are you doing right now in front and he was on his knee it was like a whole moment and i was like i can't believe this is happening here at the airport that's creative he proposed at the airport as you get to know sebastian he's very unorthodox like he likes to do things the opposite way of how people would typically do things sounds fun it's fun that's what i love about him like you just never know that sounds fun in your mind and you mentioned this a little bit offer you think you're engaged but thinking if you get married or not and you just brought up like after being married and having kids what what are in your kind of calculus what are the pros and cons or upsides or downsides of getting married or not?

53:28And again, like, how do you think about the reasons? I think I wish I understood marriage before going into my first marriage. And I think this is education that a lot of people just don't know because there's no course you could really take about it. It's just through friends and family members that you learn about as you go. But what I learned is that marriage is essentially a piece of paper, right? And so the question that Sebastian and I have now is we are fully and the reason why we decided to get engaged was because we wanted to fully commit our lives to each other but why can't we do that now do we have to do the paperwork like is a paperwork going to lock us in even more no it shouldn't like our our love should be as is without the paperwork right and so the question that we have now is are we husband and wife just by title because we made that commitment to each other without the paperwork or do we need the paperwork?

54:32I don't know. And so I think we're just much smarter about it and talking about like prenups and all of that. If it does happen, you just learn as you get wiser as you get older. I also think too, like I really liked when I was like just engaged. Like I just liked that moment. And I think people just get engaged and they want to rush to the wedding. And like if I could give anyone advice, it's like there's no, you don't have to rush to the wedding. We stayed engaged for a while. We were engaged for like four years. You always get the dates wrong. We weren't engaged that long, but we were engaged.

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1:01:34And I'm not saying that we won't. I didn't cross that off yet, but it's a question that I ask a lot. And I think they are the right question. I think it's a question that everyone should be asking themselves before they get married. Because, or at least if you are going to do the paperwork, you know, be very clear about like how it's going to even unravel. And I think that is maturing, is like realizing that shit can happen. Things can happen. It doesn't mean that you love a person less. It doesn't mean that you devalue the relationship. It's just maturing of realizing that you never know. And so you have to have these conversations.

1:02:11What I love about my relationship with Sebastian is that I could bring up any subject, anything, and not feel judged whatsoever. I could feel like I could ask him the questions that are deeply like in the deepest, darkest part of my brain. and I think it's just honesty at this point and so we do talk about that right as like okay do we really need this and if we do then how is that going to look like and if it doesn't work out then how would that work out how would that look like and so I think it's just becoming smarter and not being afraid to have those hard conversations that would feel hard to be I mean to be judged if you said something in a relationship I mean that you you are right that's so refreshing for you to probably to be able to say whatever you want and not feel judged yeah that's how it should be you should be able to say whatever you want yeah I even take him to like this is TMI but I take him to like my skincare clinic places usually that's like my thing and And I don't like want any guys around me.

1:03:19But he like knows he sees everything. And yeah, it's just nice that I could show that side of me. Yeah. Yeah. You could be yourself. Yeah. It's really that simple. He took care of me when I got like some surgeries and all that fun stuff. So what's the surgeries? You got to tell us what the surgeries were. We love the juice, right? Yeah. So I recently went through a period. It was the last winter where I was like, I need to get all my fillers dissolved. so I got all of my fillers dissolved. Does it hurt? I heard it hurts. It hurts because they're like they have to like you know massage it. I never have looked at you and thought you were overfilled.

1:04:00Did you feel like you were overfilled? So there was a point and so I was just for some context I was getting very small amounts of fillers for over 10 years but very small amounts. So every year I would kind of upkeep it right but at one point I think it was maybe three years ago I woke up and I was like god like why do I look so puffy not puffy as in like I look just so filled up but why do I look like I I ate too much like salted food like the night before I I would wake up looking like that every single day and I'm like oh I was in denial for so long right I was like oh maybe it's like what I'm eating maybe I have to drink more water maybe I have to get more sleep but it was the fillers that moved essentially and so I went to my derm I go to this girl named Cindy at Bliss Point it's kind of like a it's a nice clinic but it's not that many people know about it but I went there because I got it was highly recommended to me the first thing she said to me was we need to dissolve everything and so i was like overwhelming okay let's go so it took luckily because i didn't have that much it only took one session i know some people they have to go back to multiple sessions but she dissolved everything she dissolved everything and and the one thing that i noticed and realized that i forgot about was i had this massive fat pad underneath this eye that I've been filling up that I forgot about.

1:05:39So it was kind of like this piece of fat that stood out and it looked really hollow underneath because of that fat pad. And so when I noticed that I was like, oh shit, like I need to get fillers again. So I called Cindy and I was like, hey, can I just adjust the left eye? Can I just get that? She's like that's a way too much filler like the amount of filler that you had under there just to cover up that fat pad was not not okay she's like what you need to do is go get the under bluff like you need to get that that shit taken out or smooth it out right and an under bluff is when they pull the under eye up so i didn't get a full-on under bluff because yes that that that is essentially like i I don't know the exact term, but they do pull it out.

1:06:25But it's more so what I needed was I needed them to go inside and smooth out the fat. Oh, that sounds painful. Is that painful? No, because I was asleep. But when you woke up, was it painful? And I'll give you, I'll show you like a before and after. You look beautiful. Thank you. But this was last year. So it's been a year. It was the best decision I've made. And honestly, I was like, I never needed fillers. I never needed that. and not saying that I regret it because of course we learn in hindsight but I think that I adjust and you're just like oh I need a little bit more and you just forget how you look and who you are and so I haven't touched it since and not saying I'm against it I'm not saying I will never get it again but as of now I'm I'm very happy with the results and how I look and I'm thinking more longevity wise like things that i could do that will help me keep up my you know vitality and and beauty over time versus having to upkeep it like every single month like i don't know much about this subject but dr terry dubrow was here the other day and he was saying that like that's one of the things people make a mistake with it's like the filler over long periods of time little by little and then all of a sudden one day you're just like it's it's all there right and you got to figure it out like where is it going i don't know yeah because i think and especially now because people are doing this younger and younger and they're not thinking like you got like another 60 70 years of your life like you gotta have a long-term strategy yeah you have to i also think this is really weird but if you do filler and you don't do facial manipulation like if you're let's say you're going to do it like you're like i want it in my jaw i want it in my chin i want at my temple wherever you want it you have to do facial manipulation because what is facial manipulation like facial massage oh but i'm talking about like deep facial massage like like lymphatic with deep with the buckle with all of it yeah because this is my own by the way this is lauren science i think that you you have to like help it like go through your system does that make sense if it just sits there and no one ever touches it yeah i feel like it would get lumpy yeah yeah it does get lumpy you know what i'm saying yeah yeah so i think facial massage like no one really talks about or teaches you yeah yeah so i don't know it so that was the surgery i was talking about well you look great thank you before you go you have to tell us about the sale of your company and like where you are right now yeah so fleur we recently got acquired i think it's in about three months now.

1:09:02And it's been a really exciting journey. You know, when I came on board to relaunch Fleur and take over Fleur four years ago, I wouldn't have imagined that we would really be kind of pioneering and redefining this fragrance category for this new generation. And that's been really exciting just because fragrance is so different now than how our parents or how even we were applying fragrances back then. It's really about, it's an expression now and Fleur really became that for people we launched with missing person which was it's our hit scent it we have multiple but that is our biggest scent and it was really through my story of loss and pain and feeling lonely and missing myself missing a person missing feeling loved and and back then no one ever would buy a scent without smelling it first so we weren't at a Sephora at the time missing person launched D2C and not only did we sell out but we had a wait list of 250 ,000 people for a scent that no one has ever smelled before how did you guys get that was that all through your following so no so it went beyond so I so how I view fragrance and how we view Fleur is that it all kind of starts with me with the mic like I have the mic and I'm telling my story and what this represents and what the story is but what's beautiful about Fleur is that we pass the mic to other people and then they share it and so what happened with Missing Person was I shared my story of heartbreak and loneliness and just just craving love and to be loved and then all of a sudden the next person would film something of a spray missing person and they would literally start crying because it brought so much emotion It's a very, it's a scent that brings a lot of nostalgia and memories back.

1:10:52And so it was one to one thousand to hundreds of thousands of people just sharing stories of what this scent reminded them of. It's great marketing. Yeah. Smart. And it's also like there's depth there. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't, you know, we clearly didn't know that it was going to be such a hit because we were sold out for six months and we couldn't get inventory of it. But one, it's a beautiful skin musk scent. It becomes your skin. It's yummy. It's delicious. But it's you at the end of the day. You said that you're very sensitive. Very sensitive. I was actually with another, do you know dr enigma dr enigma i might be saying her name wrong but she's this very popular doctor and she's like i cannot wear a scent and she's like i have all the scents out there all of the most expensive scents they're just on my van and she's like the only scent i can use every single day is missing person that's really interesting because ask my husband like i cannot stand understand certain scents like to the point where like I can't even have it in my house yeah if I get an Anubra and there's Old Spice I'll like I'll die but when I just went to hug you the first thing I noticed about you which is so interesting yeah was your scent and I was like what is that and it didn't bother me at all why god why it's like it smells clean yes and you're wearing you're wearing cherry stem or I am wearing cherry stem but I'm also wearing a mixture of a lot of different things but what you're probably smelling is cherry stem because that was the last thing I smelled but that that is the beauty of fleur and I love that you said that because a lot of our scents it's typically a little bit lighter than the scents out there and you know some some people might have issues with that because they're looking for something that is very heady and strong but we're not that brand we're a brand that you could layer you could mix you could make it your own it's playful but it's not in your face and it's still you something about heady and strong that i have to say i hate to break it to everyone it's really hard when something's heady and strong and you're projecting your scent onto the person yeah do you know what i mean like i feel like when someone walks by and they're five feet away and it hits you in the face like that's too much it's too much scent i what i like is it's like the way you smelled is almost like there's like a mysterious That was the best compliment.

1:13:24Yeah, it wasn't like, it's not like, I didn't feel like you were trying to come in with the scent and it was like all over you. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? A lot of our scents, the dry down is musky, so it becomes your skin. And I think that is kind of the Fleur formula. Every formula is a little bit different. But if you look at our notes, a lot of them have either like a musk, a skin musk at the base or a little bit of a light sandalwood. it dries down to become you. So the top note is like what's bright and what brings you in. But once it settles, you're like, oh, you smell like you, but with a little cherry on top or something added.

1:14:02And that is kind of the Fleur formula. It's beautiful. So we're going to do code skinny for 15 % off. You go to Fleur.com. That's P-H-L-U-R.com. I personally am going to go buy the cherry stem. I love how it smells. Thank you. You guys check out missing person too. It sounds like, and we'll do a giveaway. I guess if you follow at Fleur on Instagram and tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic, Chriselle will send you all her favorites. That's a good one. Like a little goody bag. I love that. Yeah. I have a lot of favorites, so there, there will be a lot coming.

1:14:39Oh, do you hear that? I can't have one favorite child, right? Nope. Well, it depends on the day. Sometimes, yeah, it depends. Tell us where everyone can say hi and find you and support everything you're doing. You can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Chriselle Lim, C-H-R-I-S-E-L-L-E, L-I-M. And of course, on Fleur, P-H-L-U-R. The next time you come on, I feel like it'll be in like three years or something. And then we'll have like another story to tell. Oh my goodness. Because you're always evolving. We have to do this like, what is it, like bi-yearly or something like that. Thank you, guys.

1:15:17Congratulations. Thanks for seeing you. Thank you.