Countess LuAnn de Lesseps Gets Real About RHONY, Enjoying Life Unapologetically, & Life As A Cabaret Star

18 Sep 2025 · 1 h 4 min · 33 chapters

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In short

Luann de Lesseps discusses her “Switzerland” approach on RHONY (staying neutral), her life before Housewives living in Europe/Switzerland, and how she channels confidence into dating, parenting, and her cabaret career. She also reflects on why RHONY felt natural, how she handles online criticism, and what she’s proudest of from 13 years on the show.

Guests

Luann de Lesseps (Countess; former RHONY star; longtime cabaret performer; speaks multiple languages; created her own cabaret show; wrote Class with the Countess). Lauren Everts (Skinny Confidential host; lifestyle blogger). Michael Bostic (serial entrepreneur; co-host).

Key claims

She stayed “neutral” to avoid conflict; she moved back to New York after 9/11 when kids needed schooling; she deletes/blocks negative commenters; her cabaret is built around sing-along songs and storytelling; confidence and “mystery” attract people; strict but loving parenting is important.

Notable examples

She recounts meeting her husband while skiing and marrying quickly; the “Countess” driver-name moment with Bethenny; cabaret song examples like Tina Turner’s “What’s Love Got to Do With It” and Robert Palmer’s “Addicted to Love”; Aviva Drescher’s prosthetic-leg Le Cirque moment.

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Chapters

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The Switzerland of It All

0:45 to 2:31

Discussion on LuAnn's life before Housewives, focusing on her experiences in Switzerland.

“Your people over there didn't get back to us.”

Meeting the Love of Her Life

2:31 to 4:32

LuAnn shares the story of how she met her husband and their rapid romance.

“I was seated between Alex and his brother Ferdinand.”

Life in the Swiss Alps

4:32 to 6:13

Discussion on LuAnn's life living between Switzerland and the Hamptons with her family.

“And I said to him, do I look desperate to you?”

Transition to New York City

6:13 to 7:44

LuAnn explains her decision to move back to New York City after living in Europe.

“And I think that's what makes the big difference.”

How the Real Housewives Began

7:44 to 10:17

LuAnn narrates her introduction to the Real Housewives franchise and her journey on the show.

“And then all the models were going, Milan in Paris.”

Life as a Cabaret Star

10:17 to 14:00

LuAnn discusses her cabaret career, the songs she performs, and her passion for singing.

“And it's always a song that you will know because it's a big sing along.”

Authenticity and Reality TV

14:00 to 14:51

Discussing the importance of authenticity in relationships and reality television.

“I fell in love with her personality because I love people who are authentic.”

The Journey to Reality Stardom

14:51 to 16:21

Countess LuAnn shares her experience of transitioning into reality TV.

“So the 90s, like shows from the 90s, certain music, certain things I don't know from the 90s.”

Navigating Fame and Friendships

16:21 to 17:51

Exploring the complexities of fame and friendships on reality TV.

“and you guys become like these larger than life characters.”

Responses to Criticism

17:51 to 19:18

LuAnn talks about how she deals with online criticism and feedback.

“But don't you think the glam also, I mean, I'm not like, I don't know everything, but it kind of takes, it makes it feel a little bit more produced then.”
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The Art of Performing Cabaret

19:18 to 21:40

A look into LuAnn's creative process in cabaret performances.

“And he goes, no, this is and this is not a gay show.”

Iconic Moments from Reality TV

21:40 to 23:07

Reflecting on memorable and funny moments from the show.

“I mean, most beautiful legs with shoes and the whole thing.”

Iconic Moments from Reality TV

24:36 to 27:26

Reflecting on memorable and funny moments from the show.

“I'm so excited to share with you guys an incredible scientific breakthrough to support our long-term health and wellness.”

Reflections on Cast Dynamics

28:00 to 29:04

Exploring the relationships and dynamics among the RHONY cast.

“I mean I'm friends with all of them really.”

Parenting Insights from LuAnn

29:04 to 30:20

LuAnn shares her strict yet loving parenting philosophy and family dynamics.

“I'm trying to get us to go on Below Deck.”

Artistic Talents of LuAnn's Children

30:20 to 31:46

Discussion about the artistic pursuits of LuAnn's children.

“You know, for example, I wasn't on Scary Island trip, was I?”

Honesty in Reality TV

31:46 to 33:14

LuAnn discusses her approach to honesty on reality television.

“She can talk to people that are no longer with us.”

The Importance of Mystery

33:14 to 34:46

Exploring how confidence and mystery play a role in attraction.

“When the producers are pushing you, you just were like, I'm just going to be honest.”

Navigating Class and Identity

34:46 to 36:20

LuAnn reflects on her identity as a Countess and class expectations.

“It makes you feel like you're not being judged for who you are, if that makes sense.”

Lessons in Manners

36:20 to 37:38

Discussion on the importance of manners and social etiquette.

“It's about how I was raised as a young adult in Europe.”

Proudest Moments from RHONY

37:38 to 39:22

LuAnn shares her proudest achievements during her time on RHONY.

“Is that the advice that you would give to anyone who's out there listening, who wants to date or wants to be approached?”

Dreams of a Makeover Show

39:22 to 41:27

LuAnn discusses her aspirations for a potential makeover show.

“I'm going to say probably singing with Natalie Cole.”

Energy and Attraction

41:27 to 42:00

The conversation wraps up with insights on positivity and attraction.

“I grew up middle class in Connecticut, in the middle of Connecticut.”

The Power of Positive Self-Talk

42:00 to 43:56

Learn why positive affirmations can transform your mindset and attract positivity.

“She reminds me of my aunt though, Michael.”

The Power of Positive Self-Talk

45:40 to 47:21

Learn why positive affirmations can transform your mindset and attract positivity.

“we know that I have already been cold punching, saunaing, lifting weights, doing my cardio, my walks, all the things.”

The Power of Positive Self-Talk

47:25 to 48:51

Learn why positive affirmations can transform your mindset and attract positivity.

“Quick break to talk about Caraway cookware.”

The Power of Positive Self-Talk

49:05 to 50:45

Learn why positive affirmations can transform your mindset and attract positivity.

“If you are someone who struggles with bloat and discomfort after your morning coffee, I've got you.”

Life as a Cabaret Star

50:54 to 56:00

Get insights into the daily life and experiences of Countess LuAnn de Lesseps on tour.

“Do you have to practice for everything you're doing on the tour?”

Discussing Podcast Ideas

56:00 to 57:15

Countess LuAnn shares her thoughts on starting her own podcast and the evolution of the medium.

“And I like that because I have more time.”

Plans for Future Hamptons Visits

57:15 to 58:02

The hosts talk about visiting the Hamptons and share experiences and plans for future trips.

“Heather does a good job with what she's done, and I love when she interviews you, too.”

Rapid Fire Questions

58:02 to 1:00:46

A fun segment where LuAnn answers quick questions about her preferences and guilty pleasures.

“They call you and be like, what am I in for?”

Advice for Reality Television Stars

1:00:46 to 1:01:48

LuAnn discusses her experience advising fellow reality stars and her connections with them.

Touring and Upcoming Shows

1:01:48 to 1:02:44

LuAnn shares details about her upcoming cabaret tour dates and international shows.

“It's part of the lyrics of my music, so she's referring to my music.”
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Transcript

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0:00The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha!

0:25Luann, one of my favorite housewives of all time. I am such a connoisseur. You have range. You have song. You have showmanship. You really are. Clearly style. Style. Merci beaucoup. I am so excited to have you on the show. We've been doing the show for 10 years, and I've wanted you on for all 10. Wow. Oh, my God. What took you so long, Lauren? We've been calling and calling. Your people over there didn't get back to us. I'm all, who do I have to fuck, marry, kill? Who do you have to fuck, marry, kill? That's right. To get you on the show. I love that song. I want to talk, before we get into all the things you're doing, about...

0:59the Switzerland of it all. Okay. I don't think that that's focused on enough. And I, as a viewer, found that so interesting to hear you talk about that on other podcasts. I've listened to you on Juicy Scoop, Not Skinny, Not Fat. Talk to us about your life like before Housewives in Switzerland. Well, let's see. Oh my gosh. So the girls always refer to me as Switzerland because I never took sides. I tried not to take sides because you know what happens to that. The messenger gets killed, right? It's like walking a tightrope. You don't want to go far to the left, to the right, you're going to fall, right?

1:35It's that fine line, right? And so I think that comes from growing up in a big family. My parents are Canadian. I have six brothers and sisters. And so, you know, Switzerland is always, I had to manage people in my whole life, right? Brothers and sisters, getting what you want from them without pissing them off, you know? So Switzerland comes from that and it comes from the time that I spent in Switzerland because listen I've been in television since let's see when did I start in TV in Italy in 1990 and I was living in Milan so I speak Italian I stay I went for three weeks and I stayed for three years wound up as a host on a soccer show which is huge and then I went skiing in Switzerland and I met the love of my life and we got married two weeks later how does he approach you like how you guys know true love yeah because you've been together forever right a long time long time and does he walk up to you at a bar like what's the what's the vibe no no it was a ski up to very seated dinner party with candelabras a gorgeous table with cutlery that you had to navigate right you start from the outside and work your way in and i was just watching the hostess like okay what do i put which fork or how spoon do I pick up her?

2:51It was a beautiful dinner party. I was seated between Alex and his brother Ferdinand. You know, I don't know. Do you know the history of the devil's upset at all? Give us a little history. So I'm sitting between the two brothers. So their father was ambassador to Monaco for 40 years, right? With Prince Renier. So they, you know, they've been to Monaco. They know Grace. They know Albert and Stephanie and Caroline and all of them. But anyway, so how they got a title is they were responsible really for the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal. And then they actually were so important in France that they gave the Statue of Liberty to the United States for the French.

3:32So Ferdinand de Lesseps handed over the Statue of Liberty to this country, right? I did not know that. This is where the de Lesseps come from. I didn't pick it out of a Crockerjack's box. It wasn't like a lucky toy. No, lucky charm. Right. So therefore, the Countess, which, of course, is being like a Getty or being a Kennedy in France. Anyway, so I'm sitting between them. I don't know who they are. I have no idea. What is the Countess? I'm like Count Dracula, like that guy. I knew when I saw him that he was going to be my husband. And apparently he knew too because he said to me the second time I saw him, we went skiing the first day.

4:10And then we saw each other at a party. And there were other people around. and he comes up to me and he goes, you know, you're going to be the mother of my children. You know that, right? And I said, I know. And he goes, but I really never wanted to get married again. And I said, cause he'd been married three times before he married me. And I was, he's never been married again since he married me. So he goes, I'm never going to get married again. Well, how's that going to happen? Anyway. And I said to him, do I look desperate to you? I was like an Italian TV star at the time. And so, you know, I knew if I left him, I would lose him.

4:45So I left my career in Italian television to marry him. And Victoria Noel came about very quickly after that. And yeah, so, and we were married for 17 years. It's a long time. Are you guys, oh yeah. So I'm keeping the title, bitches. Keep the title. Keep the title. Yeah, I feel like at least a decade in, you get a title for life. Yeah, you get to keep the title after 10 years. And you know what? the accountant will always say to me, you know, you always be my countess. And that's true. Cause he never did remarry. Now I had a little blip in the screen and we're not going to make this about Tom.

5:14Are we Lauren? We, well, I have a couple of Tom questions. Oh shit. I knew it. Michael's like, Michael, you don't lie though. Michael does. I'm going to keep up. I, I've seen New York is my favorite one. I watch, you know, like there's a lot of them and I watched, I watched you guys the whole time. I feel like I've seen every episode. It was so good because it was just, we were just living our lives. And we had a lot going on between, you know, all the different characters, you know. It felt like you didn't need to force anything with you guys. No. It was actually all going. It's not produced.

5:47Let's put it that way. Sure, it's produced and edited. But, you know, what happens in scene, it's not scripted, obviously. But we just all had, you know, different personalities to bring to the table. And we all end up, you know, it's like that Sex and the City moment or Desperate Housewives moment. You know what I mean? when it works just works. And we were really friends, you know, and I think that makes a big difference with franchises, whether or not, you know, they're thrown together or they actually are friends. And I think that's what makes the big difference. It didn't feel forced at all, but very natural, felt like everything was really going on.

6:19Thank you for your commentary, Michael. Let me tell you what happened on the show. Wait, I have to know this though. How long were you guys living in Switzerland? How long were you raising your kids there from when you came to New York City? That's a great question. Most people don't ask me that. So I was gone for over a decade. Like I was in Europe for 12 years. Now, we had a house in the Hamptons for the summer. So we built a home and we were only there like July and August. And then we go back to Europe since, you know, 1993. Victoria was born in 94. So I knew I was born in 96. They're like 22 months apart.

6:53So we had children quickly. We lived between Switzerland and the Hamptons. And that was our life. That's kind of the dream, what you were living. It was a dream. I was like Cinderella. So what makes you want to move here? Well, because, you know, I worked in it. I've been working since I'm a kid. Since I'm a teenager, I was doing dishes in a rest home. That's how I became a geriatric nurse because I love the elderly. So that's why I became a nurse because I just love them. And then I got scouted to be a model in New York as a nurse at a beauty pageant, Miss Connecticut beauty pageant, random. And so I took them up on it.

7:30I moved to New York after being cheated on by my boyfriend at the time. That's a whole other story. Big mistake. You know, heartbreak and love makes you do crazy things, right? So I think we moved for love and we moved for heartbreak. And he broke my heart. So I said, you know what? I'm going to go to New York. So I moved to New York. And then all the models were going, Milan in Paris. They're like, I want to go there. So I saved my money and I moved to Milan. It was really hard. And I didn't make it as a model because it was like the wavy period of Kate Moss, the 90s, like odd looking, really thin.

8:05I was like, they're like, lose 20 pounds and call us back. So I couldn't make money there, so I found television. I found television and they love Americans in Italian television. There's a lot of showgirls in Italian television. You ever watch Italian television? There's showgirls everywhere. I need to go watch it. I'm a showgirl. And that's where I learned that I love television because I was done pounding the pavement, you know, trying to make money as a model. How did you have this like resourcefulness and resilience and independence at such a young age? Curiosity. I was curious. I want, you know, I was like a sponge and I am like that, like with music.

8:40You know, I love languages. I speak four languages, you know, French, Italian, Spanish and English. And and I have a musical ear, so I love music. I can remember song lyrics, languages. and I love the culture. I fell in love with Italian people because of their love of life, first of all, their love of food and espressos. Yeah. Okay. And they're sexy. So I fell in love with the culture. It's interesting you mentioned that because obviously we prep for these shows and we have mutual friends. And one of the big themes with you is that you seem to really love and enjoy life through all of life. Ups and downs.

9:20We all have our ups and downs, sure. But, you know, what happens when you fall down? I fell down and I got up on the cabaret stage. It was scary as shit. I mean, I was scared to death. And it was being filmed for Bravo as well. But what people don't see on that, for example, that episode or season, the famous Giovanni season, right, is what I really do. Because they don't have music rights. They're not going to play the songs that I do, right? Some of them they can because of money and chic that I give them the rights to. but a lot of the things that I do in the show, they didn't really show. It was always the drama around my cabaret show.

9:55You never get a really full-on cabaret experience unless you come to my show. And I've been doing it since eight years now. I've been doing cabaret. And how I started really is a friend said to me, you love to sing for your friends. You love to host parties. You love to tell jokes. You should be doing cabaret. And finally I did. And what I do is I pick a song I love and I go, what story is going to bring me to that song? And it's always a song that you will know because it's a big sing along. Like give us an example. Well, I do Tina Turner, you know, what's love got to do, got to do with it. So I have to wear a very short Javine dress and it's all legs and fringe, you know, and so this, another example, oh my God, I do Addicted to Love by Robert Palmer.

10:41That's a good one. And I talk about how I love men and I love sex. nice that's what i love about you as a housewife though there's so many different layers to the onion i think pirate there's so many it's so many it's kind of look like the pirate today with this hat yeah you do i was gonna ask you i was like whose hat is that it's gonna this is philip tracy from london i thought i just asked i had to ask who is the hatter of the queen of england and he did he did you know um elizabeth taylor joan collins it looks so joan i mean i went to his place in London because I play London now. I play theaters.

11:17I play the Delphi Theater, the home of Sunset Boulevard and the Sunset Boulevard and it's Andrew Lloyd Webber who owns that theater. And Tilda Swinton introduced me to the stage because she's a fan of mine. Right, I know. I love her. She really, really is a huge fan before you guys met and you guys are friends now, right? Yeah, I'm going to Amsterdam in about 10 days. She's having a party so I'm going to go there. And you said on a different podcast, I forgot which one, you said she's really cool and really warm. She's amazing. She's a true aristocrat, really. She comes from, her family dates back to 800, not 1800.

11:47800. And Swinton is swine. So titles were given in Europe for those who served the king. So they used to give, if I'm not mistaken, swine to the king. And so then you get your castle and you get land, you get a title. Michael, I'm dying because my husband just loves history and he loves powerful women. And I can tell he's like... Well, I was just thinking. If you got a hat like that, maybe the views would go up. Maybe I need to get a dress and a hat like that. Yeah, but I mean, listen, maybe you could start pulling some of that, your weight over here, and get the hat and get the dress. I knew you were going to be excited to have her on the show.

12:23So at what point do you and the Count decide to move to New York City, and what point does Housewives come into your life? So I moved back right after 9-11, actually. I moved back in 2002 after being there since 1990 in Europe. I mean, we went back and forth a lot. so we decided i decided really that you know i was living in the swiss alps you can't buy a pair of socks off season do you know what i mean or it's really very isolated but it's romantic and beautiful and stunning very isolated a little slow and i'm a good skier now that's for sure yeah but i've done everything snow skiing snow um how do you call it racketing and going up the mountains on rackets and you know I've done every kind of sport you can imagine but you kids started go to school and I'm like okay and he's traveling internationally and I'm like at home with the kids I'm like you know I need to get back to work so that's what happened really is like you know let's move back to New York I miss my family my parents are here I have a big family so I miss my family I would cry every time I had to leave in August to get the kids back at school in Switzerland I would cry because I didn't want to leave.

13:34Because September is also my favorite time of year. When you get here, it's not Housewives immediately, right? It's not Housewives immediately. Housewives started in 2006. So a couple years later, really, and I met Jill Zarin at a party. And she goes, you know, I'm doing this show. You know, I don't know what's going to happen. I'm Jill Zarin. Meet Bobby. And I don't know if it's going to happen. And I've never met anybody like this in my life, right? Redhead. Not just Jill. I'm Jill Zarin. I'm like, so we ended up hanging out the whole night. I fell in love with her personality because I love people who are authentic.

14:05Yeah. I don't care where you're from or what you learn. Money can't buy you class. So I like people that are authentic, that are real. The posers for me are a problem. And Jill, we just hit it off. And she said to me, I'm going to do this show. I think it'd be perfect. You should meet the producers. And it came to me, really, the Housewives. Were you guys the first one? No, it was O.C. O.C. was the first one. They were second. And if I saw O.C., I would not have done the show. Because don't forget, I'm a countess married to the count, and small children, and my beautiful life. And if I saw that show, I don't think I would have ever done the show.

14:44They said it was Manhattan Moms, right? And then it became The Housewives. So I didn't even know what reality was. I missed a decade. So the 90s, like shows from the 90s, certain music, certain things I don't know from the 90s. How do you pitch the real house, I guess the Manhattan Moms, to the Count? Like, how do you get him on board for the show? Well, you know, at this point, I think he was happy that I was going to be busy because he was traveling a lot. Got it. So I think he was happy that I had something to do. And he thought, this is harmless, I guess, right? And he's only been on, I think, maybe two episodes of that show, very beginning.

15:22He never came back again? No, no, no, no. I mean, we stayed married until 2009. We got to where we're since 2000. Honestly, he only did those two in The Never Was Back. He did a couple of things. He wasn't one of the husbands. No, it was when Alex arrived, when the counter arrived, it was like, oh, here he comes. You know, but he was hardly on the show. Yeah. And the kids were not that much either. You know, it was really about me and the women. You know, I didn't want it really to be about the kids. I mean, the first season, for sure, it was, you know, Rosie and the townhouse and the bird and the dog.

15:52We got Aston. I mean, I have a living photo album of my life. So cool. On television, which is pretty cool. When you look back when you first started, did you have any kind of strategy or plan for the show? Were you just like, I'm going to try this out and see what happens? Try it out and see what happens. So as it starts to evolve. Roll by the seat of my pants like I went to Milan. It's just kind of. I didn't know what was going to happen. Let's see. But, you know, if you don't take chances, right, then nothing ever changes. So when it started to get momentum and you start getting recognized everywhere and it starts to really pick up and you guys become like these larger than life characters.

16:26What was that like? It was crazy. I mean, I remember getting in a pedicab in New York with some of the girls and people were like, Countess! I'm yelling our names. I was like, oh my God, this is so weird. I remember that moment, which was, wow, this is bigger than I thought it would ever be. I'm going to say, and again, I'm a connoisseur, that it's probably the biggest one on the network and your season and cast was the biggest hit. And you guys are in New York City, so it's like a trifecta. I always say New York is like another housewife because either people have lived here and they miss it or they've never lived in New York and they aspire to live in New York.

17:07What was it like to see all the different personalities around you as you guys are coming up and you're getting all this momentum? How do you manage all these friendships? You're on air. It's like a lot. It's a lot. We make it look easy, but it's a lot of work. And we weren't that fancy. We weren't like with the latest clothes. We didn't have glam. We didn't have any of that stuff. You know what I mean? It changed a lot. Now you watch Beverly Hills. It's glam, glam, glam. Yeah. Which is fab. But, you know, we were more gritty because New York is gritty. The only thing about the glam, though, that I have to say is that sometimes when I'm watching some of the episodes now with the latest Housewives is it takes up half the show.

17:47Well, it's all about the glam and what they're wearing. I want personalities. But don't you think the glam also, I mean, I'm not like, I don't know everything, but it kind of takes, it makes it feel a little bit more produced then. So it takes you out of kind of what feels real. Right. Well, I think people need escapism. And I think that's one way of it. It's like, you know, that's why we like RuPaul's Drag Race. And that's why we like shows like Housewives or Below Deck, right? Get taken out of your own universe and get immersed into somebody else's. And for me, being interesting is what makes you interesting.

18:24Yeah. If that makes sense. Yes. Agreed. How do you deal with either criticism or people that are not as kind online or people that have... I delete them and block them. So it doesn't bother you. It doesn't rough your feathers. As you should. No, because, you know, who are they? How are we going to let somebody I don't even know upset me? I don't do that. You can't. You can't read it. No, and the negative naysayers, you know, people always about my singing and things like that. Listen, my director is Kristen Chenoweth's director, was Bette Miller's director, currently is Barbra Streisand's director.

19:01He came to my show. He goes, Countess, I came here not expecting very much from you, but you blew my fucking mind. Can I say fucking? Yeah. You blew my fucking mind. First of all, you can sing. You're funny as shit. And you wear a dress like no woman I've ever seen. You're going to be a big star. I was, no, I like my little small little 54 below, which is the old Studio 54 that I started my show in. I want to keep it small and intimate. And he goes, no, this is and this is not a gay show. This is for everyone. And my fans are 80 percent women. I want to go. I really think I would love it. You're going to have the time of your life.

19:34Yeah. It is so much fun. Because what I do and I've had people that go to Beyonce, they go to Taylor Swift. you know they have more fun in my show because they can relate to me and they can talk to me also because I play I do Q &A with the audience or I'll do trivia with the audience they come to my show and they say we have the time of our lives because they're immersed in my world right and they get to interact with me and they also get to interact with the audience in a different way because they all know the housewives so right they make friends if you come alone you don't leave alone. You go out with people.

20:11It's very immersive as a show. And like I said, I pick music that my fans know because they grew up with their mothers who were playing that kind of music. Do you have a very hands-on approach with how you lay out the show creatively? Oh yeah. I create the show myself. My director does things like this. He'll say, if you're going to sing Tina Turner, What's Love Got to Do With It? At the end, there's going to be a light that shines down on you and go, Tina. That's what a director does. Come from that sign, sit in a chair and I'll sit on a stool to sing that song. It creates flow. You know, your show has to flow.

20:48You have to bring them up, bring them down a little bit, bring them back. And so it's about flow. So I've been doing so many now that it's like playing chess. So now I can move around all these different parts of my shows from the past to create a new show. Like I'm working on Holiday now and sonja got run over by a reindeer it's tumbling home from bluestone christmas eve you can say there's no such thing as santa but me and all the ogs we believe so i take music like i take i said to my director i want to sing lay down sally from eric clapton you know lay down sally he goes but it's holiday i said yes but now it's santa lay down Santa why doesn't he stay with me I always leave out the milk and cookies but I never eat so I go into a banter you know so it's very creative I have the best time and that's my favorite part is the creative part of creating the cabaret I almost think I love this era for you even more than housewives it sounds like it's like you're like you said in your flow I'm in the driver's seat yeah I could do anything I want say anything I want sing any song I want because in cabaret you can do any song you want and i play clips from the past i mean i mean you're gonna love the leg toss of aviva i mean that moment alone is just worth watching again can you just explain to michael what you just said because well one of our castmates aviva drescher had a terrible accident as a child and she lost her leg below the knee and anyway so she had you know beautiful, how do you call prosthetics made?

22:23One with high heels. I mean, most beautiful legs with shoes and the whole thing. And anyway, so one day we're at Le Cirque. Remember Le Cirque? For lunch. And people are saying she's fake. And you said, the only thing that's fake about me is this. And she takes off her leg and she puts it on the table. And I'm dying with laughter. No, I'm dying with laughter because my first thought was, oh my God, her dirty shoe is next to my silver robe. That's what I'm thinking about. This woman's leg is on the table and then she throws it across the room. I mean, it's epic. I mean, that was her swan song, but it was really a very iconic moment in the show.

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27:28Luann de Lesseps:That's P-R-O-L-O-N-L-I-F-E dot com slash skinny to claim your 15 % discount and your bonus gift. ProlonLife.com slash skinny. When you look back, was there any times where you wanted them to stop with the camera, get it out of your face, like they're annoying? Absolutely. So what do you do? I go to the bathroom yeah because they can't follow you in there can't follow you in the bathroom but they can hear you so you gotta be careful correct so you can like send a quick text how often do you forget that you're being killed question mark yeah question mark question mark yeah but how often do you forget that they're even there I forget all the time you do do you really forget they're there yeah if I've thought about that I couldn't be myself can't be yeah who was out of all your cast your favorite person Sonia?

28:21You say Sonia. Sonia Rita. Dorinda. Okay. Yeah. I hate to say not all of them. I mean I'm friends with all of them really. Who was your least favorite? No I think that you knew though. I think that I feel like you're so smart to know that they all made great TV and so it was like it's not even about who the favorite is Michael. It's about it's a team making good TV. That's correct. That's the difference between their cast and the other casts. is that they all were in on it. They all read the room. Because how long did the core cast last? It was a long time. 13 years. Yeah, it was a long time. That's insane.

28:56Longer than Sex and the City and Desperate Housewives. Wow. Do you think we'll ever get you guys back on the screens together? I think so. I think there's a place for the OGs, don't you? Oh, people would. I'm trying to get us to go on Below Deck. That would be so funny. The OGs on Below Deck with Captain Sandy, Mediterranean. Let's hit it. that would be hysterical if you guys could do that but if you guys could get back on our screens like a reboot and re-juge what's happened yeah well there's been some talk of going on a show like a different franchise with a new cast so you can have that concept well that would just be kind of a visit like an ultimate girls trip one thing that I don't think is talked about enough with you is what a good mom you are and I've heard this from people who know you personally and I can tell on the show it's really important to you What are some things that you think are like non-negotiables with your children that you want to instill in them?

29:53You know, I think children have to have a certain sense of fear of you. Yeah. That the hammer is going to come down and they better know you mean it. Yep. So, you know, when you see kids that are misbehaved, right? And we see them all the time, right? The foot doesn't go down and they just try to placate the kid instead of saying, you know what, you're out, let's go. I think being strict is very good for parenting, be a strict parent, with love, tough love, if you want to call it tough love, yes. And I think just being there for them. And I was out a lot. I was out a lot. Thank God for Rosie. But I always made my family first.

30:40You know, for example, I wasn't on Scary Island trip, was I? Back then, it was Victoria's birthday. I said, I'm sorry, I'm not going. And that was it. Today, forget it. They'd be like, oh, no, I'm sorry. You got to be on that trip. And are you guys like, with your kids now that they're grown, are you guys friends? Do you hang out? Do you guys like go places? Oh, yeah. What's your vibe with them now? I'm sure the fans would love to know. Victoria's with me a lot. She's in the Hamptons most of the time, and she has a little place in New York. So she's with me a lot. You know, the girls are always near their moms, right?

31:14I hope so. Boys are, you know, they get a girl. Yeah. Right? And then, you know, that mommy dynamic shifts with boys. They don't, you know, Noel, well, he actually called me before I got here tonight. So, but my son comes out to the Hamptons. My son is a major artist, by the way. You should check him out. I heard about that. Oh, his work is, and he's doing really well as an artist. in Brooklyn and amazing painter. How do we see his paintings? Noelle de Lesseps on Instagram. And Victoria, same, you know, she's an incredible artist. And also Victoria is now doing, you know, my daughter is really a psychic medium in certain ways.

31:49She can read people. She can talk to people that are no longer with us. She's very special. Has she always been like that since she was little? No, no. She's always had a knowledge and maturity. Like a knowing. A knowingness about her. Her grandmother was like that. Her grandmother could tell if somebody had cancer. She has a pendulum that she swings, which if you put a pill down here, the pendulum will tell you if it's bad for you or good for you. She's very into healing and mediumship, and she's really good at it. That's cool. She's actually been doing, she does online, you know, things for people to help them.

32:33And a lot of my friends, they'll reach out to Victoria and like, you know. I need to check her out. Oh, she's amazing. I love all that stuff. Yeah, she's really good. Sounds like she's like clairvoyant almost. Yeah, she is. With everything that you've been through on Housewives, up, down, all of it, I feel like you've chosen to be honest, whereas some of the Housewives, they get on the show and they don't really show you what's going on. Right. You know what I mean? But we all know as viewers, the thing is, is they're underestimating the viewers because we're smart. We know. You can see right through it.

33:04And you decide to just be honest and lay it on the table. Is that a decision that you thought about or is that just your personality? Just my personality. I'm a bad liar. So you just wrote with it. I'm a terrible liar. I really should get better at lying. When the producers are pushing you, you just were like, I'm just going to be honest. Listen, in the very beginning, I remember saying, you see that door over there? That's my bedroom. Don't go near the door. nobody could go remember you never saw me better when the house was you're right why was that like what was the reason for that boundary it's personal it's off limits so what do you do when you're on trips oh well that's different i'm just saying when we first started you know was it was so different you know today it's like you got to bear it all no you don't there's something to be said for mystery now hiding is that because you have hiding things is one thing right right Right.

33:51Mystery is another. Tell the girls about mystery because I'm noticing even when you talked about the count and how he fell for you, like there's a mystery there that you know how to sort of work. Well, there's a confidence. Tell us about the - There's confidence. Tell us about the mystery, how that works with men, because I think that needs to be talked about more. There's not a hint of desperation. No. No. It's an aloofness. Right. You got to be happy in your own skin. Yep. Right. And then that energy then brings other happy people energy around you. Yes. Because we have a huge force field. I'm very big into Joe Dispenza.

34:23I've been to him a couple times. She loves Joe Dispenza. Call me, Luann. Meditating for eight hours a day. If I go to Joe Dispenza with Luann, I feel like that's checking something off my bucket list. Oh, my God. Oh, I love Joe. And, you know. What if that's the way you went to Joe's? You weren't expecting that path. I'm all about, you know, being comfortable in your own skin. And that's what class is really all about. because if you're comfortable you make other people feel comfortable and that's why the aristos are good at it because they have to greet a lot of people so they have to be make them feel comfortable otherwise they feel odd or nervous it's nothing to do with money and also i'm a nurse also don't forget so i'll be the one to say you know take a deep breath you're gonna be okay i got you you know it's all it's it's it's so many different things from my past rolled into one but yeah it's really about being comfortable in your own skin and And I think people then feel comfortable.

35:17It makes you feel like you're not being judged for who you are, if that makes sense. Like when you're around someone like you, you don't feel like you have, you feel like you can be yourself. Yeah. Well, you know, what people don't realize about me is that I'm down to earth. I'm not this countess that they built up ordering pizza. Remember that famous scene? They couldn't get Della Sepps right. They couldn't get Luann right. So I finally resorted to countess. Like they're going to know what a countess is. I mean, I didn't know what a countess was. I think that's what's so endearing about you, though, and why it did so well on the show.

35:52Well, yeah, I think that, you know, obviously, you know, that famous scene where I get out of the car with Bethany and she's like, you know, Luann. And I'm like, because I just moved from Europe. I mean, I was always referred to as Mrs. Deliseps. Right. I didn't ask for countess, but Mrs. Deliseps. I don't know. Right. It just was what I was used to. So, you know, I have a lot of people that love that about me and then people that hate it. Right. Because they think that I'm trying to put that person down. It's not about that. It's about how I was raised as a young adult in Europe. Bethany got mad at her, how she was asking the driver to call her a certain name.

36:31And it was like an iconic scene. I said, I'd rather Mrs. Dillesepps, you know, I don't know him. You know what I mean? So it's just, it was just. People here felt it was pretentious. Exactly. But it wasn't though, because I feel like you included everyone by writing the book and like you taught lessons, but it wasn't a condescending way. Right, does he know I did a book called Class with the Countess? Have you read it, Michael? I have not. I have to do an audio book. I'm putting it out there. A winter 2025. Listen, I will, let's sign up the audio book. I feel like that's the one I would dive into.

37:04He will love the book. You've got to be the voice though. That's all, of course. Can't be like one of those crusty narrators. No, no, no. It has to be me, of course. but I wrote that book because you know when I got back from Europe you know I sent the kids to school here in New York and they come back on mom they're throwing food at each other and they're letting spaghetti drip out of their mouths at the table the kids were complaining about their manners I swear to god I'm like that's it I'm writing a book how to behave you know Michael you love this Michael loves manners so and then I did manners with Victoria at the Hampton Classic she was so embarrassed but i'm so glad i did that because a lot of young ladies learned how to navigate a table from the hampton classic with my own child you know why i like manners i feel like people with manners it shows that they're paying attention and thinking and being thoughtful exactly that's why i like manners yeah don't look at me like i don't care about manners it's because it's like you're just like a drone running around okay right yeah it's like put some effort i want to go back to something though that you said earlier you said when you're when you're confident in your energy, you attract energy.

38:07Is that the advice that you would give to anyone who's out there listening, who wants to date or wants to be approached? Yes. I feel like if you don't think you're great, nobody else will. And that's true. I think you should write a new book. No, I really do on confidence and being in your energy. So people come to you like in a magnetic way. Exactly. Because people don't realize how much energy they do have and what they exude. I mean, And you see people walking around, they've got this frown on their face and they're rushing. And then you see the people that are kind of just strolling along and they're just going along.

38:41It's called flow. Right. Right. When you try. So I say this and I learned this from Deepak Chopra, which is there's more neurons in your gut than there is in your brain. So your gut knows what to do. But then we get up here between our ears, which is the dangerous spot. And we go, well, maybe, you know, but this always knows what to do. So that's why it's called gut instinct because we just know what to do. It makes sense. Right. And then we get up here where we've been taught, trained, you know, right, wrong, all that stuff. And this messes up with what this really knows what to do. Right. When you look back on all 13 years of Housewives, what's your proudest moment out of the whole show?

39:22I'm going to say probably singing with Natalie Cole. That is so cool. That is cool. That was amazing. Like. I know. That's big. Do you think that another moment is probably like how you sort of built the cabaret on the show and then it launched? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm proud of that moment. Of course I am because, like I said, there was a lot of pressure, you know, not only to do my first show and do it on television and not get smashed up for it. Do you know what I mean? And you had people copying you. Yeah. Well, it took them years to copy, right? Yeah. Who would you say copied me? I think we had a little bit of Sonia.

40:00Is it Sonia or Sonia? I never have seen it. Have you seen her show? No. Well, she doesn't sing. I haven't seen it. And it's, you know, it's a Q &A. It's different. And a moderated show. Right. I do full-on cabaret. Does she still do it? Yeah. Is that like a slight shade? Is it Sonia in your city? Slight shade. No. There's always a little shade with the house. There's always a little shade. What makes you want to go back and do Crappy Lake? and what makes you want to do your latest show that you just did about finding love hotel yes you know i personally i mean i would like to see a makeover show where i come in like i'm like the avon lady meets the tupperware lady meets martha stewart pitch it pitch it which is you know can you imagine people reach out and say i would love the countess to come to my house and straight straighten it out that's a netflix show because there's so much going on right and guess what i can do i'm a renaissance woman i can handle those children okay what are we eating are we working out where's the closet where's the makeup where's the guy wingman oh no you know the whole kick caboodle i mean just send me in and let me do my work which i would love to do which is you know i think there's a need for a makeover show again kind of missing the queer eye for the straight guy.

41:19Yeah. But I could do it all. You're very capable. Well, because I've had to do it all myself. Yeah. You make it work. I didn't have any money growing up. I grew up middle class in Connecticut, in the middle of Connecticut. So I had to make my own money. I had to make my own life. I had to make it in New York. I had to make it in Europe. When did you feel in your career? I didn't have, you know, boyfriends supporting me or any of that. I had, I mean, I have had some great boyfriends. That's true. But none that were paying my bills. You've had some hotties. I mean, I'm like, whoa, you know how to, you know how to get them.

41:54Like, you know how to get a lot. I grew up with four older brothers. So I grew up around boys. You know what it is? And actual men because I was 10. So many women hate men. I know. And that, you're so right. It's a bit counterproductive, right? She reminds me of my aunt though, Michael. My aunt, like when you love men, they're like attracted to you. There's so many people that - It's kind of like I love women. It'd be very odd if I was trying to get with a woman and hating women, right? It just seems very counterproductive to the women out there that hate the men. If you hate men, you're not going to attract that to your group.

42:27I think there's a lot of disgruntledness going on and disappointment with guys, which I understand. But that energy is not going to get you anywhere. You can't also blanketly saying you hate all men is like such a statement and such an affirmation. what I've realized is like I hate men is an affirmation it's like having a bad restaurant experience and be like I hate all restaurants what people don't realize is what they speak to the universe matters so the words that come out of your mouth they really do matter because the universe listens exactly and so we don't positive self talk to ourselves enough what we do is we beat ourselves up and we you know talk to ourselves in a bad way and believe me that resonates.

43:12And when you talk to yourself in a bad way, like, oh shit, I'm such an asshole or whatever it is. Um, I should have done that or whatever. I mean, we have that moment. Sure. But we're going to say, no, we're going to turn that around. I'm going to make it positive. So this is a great question for you, especially if you have a shitty day and you wake up the next morning, what's your self talk like? How are you getting yourself out of it? I listen to self. I listen to, I meditate and I do positive affirmations in the morning. Is there someone specific? I'm that. I'm amazing. I'm going to have a great day.

43:43Positive. So when you speak positive, and you're going to see after 15 minutes of that, you have a smile on your face when you come out of your bedroom. Meaning that when you first get up, go to the bathroom, get back and meditate just for 10 minutes, five minutes, 10 doesn't matter, which is positive self-talk. And you're going to see you're gonna have a different day.

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50:27Luann de Lesseps:It's all the things we want in our coffee. And here is some exciting news. You can find Everyday Dose in Target stores across the country. Celebrate with a buy one, get one deal. Just buy any two Everyday Dose products at a Target store near you and they'll pay you back for one. Visit everydaydose.com slash skinny for more details. That's everydaydose.com slash skinny. What's a day in the life of you when you're here? Oh, well, let's see. What did I do today? Are you an early riser? I'm an early riser. I go to the gym. Okay. I, you know, I listen. Oh, God. I go to podcasts like this. Okay. I have lunch with girlfriends.

51:14Okay. I go to fashion shows. Do you have to practice for everything you're doing on the tour? I practice my show, which will happen on Friday because I have a show Saturday in Chicago. Or is it a little bit more natural now that you're in this? Yeah, I know the show now. You got it. I got it. So it's really fun. I really enjoy myself. You know, when I first couple of shows, I say, okay. Or if I play like a big venue, like I play the Wilter in Los Angeles. That's where Madonna plays. I played Town Hall in New York where I met Liza Minnelli for the first time. That's cool. Yeah I went to her birthday party.

51:49I met her there because I was singing the same night her Chita Rivera and Lucy Arnaz. You should sing Somewhere Over the Rainbow for her. Yeah no I do forget the troubles come on get happy. That's her mom's song. That's such a good one. Judy Garland song. Where are some housewife places that people can hit in New York City? So say people want to come here and do the housewife circuit. What are some, like... There used to be housewife tours in New York. They used to have buses of housewife tours. Well, where could we go? They would go to the Regency first. Oh, okay. We're going to the Regency. Okay.

52:23Let's go have cocktails at the Regency. You know, Central Park. I go to Central Park a lot. I've got a lot of tourists in Central Park, so... What's the hotel for housewives? The hotel for housewives? Is there a hotel that you guys... No, because we live here. Right, okay. So hotels... So there's not like a good hotel bar? I thought you were going to say maybe like the King Cole. I see, I feel like. Oh yeah, I go to St. Regis sometimes. Okay. That's King Colbert, right? Vra is a biggie. Okay. Ivor's a biggie. And now you have to tell us. The plaza. The plaza. Are you hanging out with any of the housewives still, like in day-to-day life?

52:56Absolutely. We were just all together in the Hamptons. We had lunch at Bill Bouquet. All of you? Well, no. We got Sonia. Dorinda couldn't make it. It was Sonia. Ramona couldn't make it. She was sick. So it was Sonya Kelly, myself, and Jill Zarin. Do you ever have these moments that need to be on camera when you guys get together? Oh, I wish that that lunch was on camera. Was it good? It was so good. Can you give us one speck of juice out of it?

53:27Well, Sonya goes, they asked me to be on the Love Hotel, but I said no. Oh, there it is. I said, really? Really? You turned down the Love Hotel. Okay. Oh, no. she's asked ashley darby she knows i go i will so i call up ashley in front of her of course in front of all the girls i'm like don't bullshit me oh i was so mad at her i'm telling you there should have been a camera there i won't tell you the end of the story but what do you think i heard there's no fish room for dorinda anymore no the fish room i think the fish is that watch what happens live now okay so he has it as like a souvenir yeah yeah it's one of it's it's hanging in his, what's it called?

54:08The clubhouse. The clubhouse. So if someone wants to come watch you perform live, give us all the details. Tell us all about it. Well, I'm playing Toronto. I'm doing a show called The Luniverse Show. So some venues don't have capacity for a grand piano, drum sets, and keyboard because I travel with six guys. I travel with three musicians, my assistant, makeup, and et cetera. So a lot of places can't afford that amount of money and they can't have the space for me with the band so i created a lunar show which i talk about all those famous scenes like who took that photo at the regency that that bethany showed me who did well you have to come to the show do you tell us who took it at the cabaret do you tell us yes you're gonna tell us i told you the story so i go behind the scenes of some really iconic scenes okay you know i come out to a little chic and then i do a q a with the audience.

55:04They ask me whatever they want to ask me. And I can't let them leave without giving them some money. So I do a little money number. And so it's a smaller show, but I love it because it's more in depth into Housewives as opposed to a full on cabaret show. You've got a full production going on. I do. I love it. It's smart what you did. Like a pivot. It's like, it's fresh. Well, you know, I started cabaret because I love variety. It started as Counties and Friends. I I mean, I've had big stars. Lance Bass has been in my show. Bridget Everett, who is, you know, who's becoming a huge star and a cabaret performer herself.

55:39Marie Hill. Rachel Dratch from SNL has been in my show. So I did Count as a Friends and then I kind of morphed into Count as Cabaret because it got expensive to travel with all these people. So what do you think is next for you after this chapter? Are you going to just hit it hard and keep outselling theaters? Well, you know, I'm doing less shows and being more selective about where I go. And I like that because I have more time. And I'm doing the Luniverse shows, which is, you know, easier than a full-on cabaret show. So I'm loving that. And, you know, listen, I'd like to do my own podcast, too.

56:13Well, here's the guy. We're going to talk about that. This is the guy. Yeah, I think it's time. People have been asking me for years to do podcasts. I'm like, everybody and their sister has a podcast. It doesn't matter. I just call it a show at this point. Right, no, but you're right. It's not even a podcast. It's just a show. And, you know, it would be fun. Maybe me and Dee do something together would be great. Maybe we bring people to the studio and ask them, you know, what is it they want? Me and Dee could make a dynamic duo in terms of coming to the rescue. You know what I'm saying? So, and maybe we start with a podcast and then, you know, we actually get into your home, which would be cool.

56:45I think that that is... And not like our long haul. Like Michael said, it's not just audio. It totally could be a Netflix. Like, you can parlay it. I think that this medium, in the beginning, it was just such a focus on audio, but I just think these are the new age talk shows now. People can figure out whatever format makes the most sense for them. I think it's great. You're great on a mic, too. The two of you are doing so well with it, so I'm going to have a trap. Well, at least people know what the hell they are now, because for the first six or seven years, everyone's like, what are you guys doing?

57:12My dad still thinks I'm on the radio. That's funny. Heather does a good job with what she's done, and I love when she interviews you, too. Heather McDonald. McDonald. I love Heather. Yeah, I like when you go on her show. Juicy Scoop. Yeah. She's so funny with her juice. I love her. You know, she was in the Hamptons. I came to pick her up. She was staying with Jill. So I came to pick her up. We had a day on my boat, actually. That's fun. Yeah. Yeah. When I go to the Hamptons, Mark, I'm waiting for my invite. I'd like to go for a day on the boat. We've never been to the Hamptons. Isn't that funny?

57:41What? We've never been, ever. Oh, you have to come and visit. I think we're going to come this up next summer. We're going to come. We'll come for like two weeks. Yeah, you should. I don't know why we've never gone. We must have a ton of friends out there too, right? Yeah, we've spent some time in Nantucket, but then we'll bounce around. You're up in our families in California still, so we're kind of like always. I'd like a Hamptons trip. We have rapid fire questions. Ready? Yeah. Champagne or cocktail? Cocktail. What kind? Tequila. Just plain? Tequila and Diet Coke. I know, it's weird, but I love it.

58:13It's not bad. Isn't it good? What's your guilty pleasure TV show? right now the hunting wives oh my god it's so good it's sexy sex she's hot i'm like oh i want to do i know maybe i will turn it on it's so good it's good it's kind of a girly ish yeah i don't know like i don't it's a lot about the girls hanging out but if he likes housewives then he'll be he'll be good it's it's a lot of like lesbian things happening behind the guy's back well oh no better sounds terrible taylor save it on my hair two girls making out

58:55wait i have to ask you this one caveat question do you watch any of the other real housewives or have you i do once in a while just to catch up with what's going on like you know miami mary soul is a really good friend of mine she's my favorite i love mary she's my favorite housewives ask you for advice? Sure. They call you and be like, what am I in for? What's going on? What should I do? Sure. Sure. Not so much now, but in the past. I think my three favorite housewives are you, Mary Soule, and Kathy Hilton. Oh, I know Kathy too. I think those are the top three for me because they know how to show up and like play ball.

59:30Yeah. And have fun with it. What's your go-to self-care ritual? Working out, really. Do you lift weights? I do. For the arms, for the cabaret dresses. yeah it sounds like you're pretty spiritual you have spirituality when you get in a bathing suit on the show you always look so good is that is that weights that is just being active i'm like really sporty like i play pickleball i'll go swimming i'll play tennis or you know i'm like very active i do yoga yoga is really a big one for me it's very grounding because like you picked up on i am very spiritual so i love yoga too so i like a lot of different things i don't do like the same thing but but you know staying fit i love because it's at the same time like when i run or when i do something i'm going over lines in my head also so you practice cabaret that way as well it's like the person if you're on vacation like you're up for the activity oh activities if someone wakes up and says let's do the activity yeah don't give me the chair on the beach i mean i'll be bored no i like to be in like where i'm learning something or and you know i love the beach don't get me wrong but i want the beach and i want you know city life too a pirate or two a pirate or two you know the group trip where there's like you know about the pirate i know about pirates yeah no no no no no no we'll tell him about the pirate later that's a long story but you know like the group trip you get like 10 to 12 people and like half of them are sleeping and like some of them get up and like i'm the one doing stuff yeah well you haven't seen crappy lake obviously i'm like doing working out in the morning and sun is hung over with clothes everywhere different personalities totally we're like we're like the odd couple yeah you guys are the odd couple last question a goal that you would hope to accomplish by the end of the year maybe a podcast maybe i was gonna say podcast i would you know like i said people have been asking me for years about podcasts and i just have never done one but i think it's time so that's my goal you know why i think it'd be good for you and i'll like kind of like take this hat off and put that hat on is a lot of the time you're somebody that will just you're not afraid to just be vulnerable and talk about everything and show the like sometimes like people curate a little bit too much i feel like you could talk to anyone about anything and have a good time with it and you're curious right that's true yeah it's true luann thank you thank you for that compliment you are currently on the north american leg of your new cabernet tour cabaret cabaret cabernet I'm thinking about wine.

1:01:54Isn't that wine? Lauren's on the Cabernet Tour. She's on the Cabernet Tour. Wait, I have trouble pronouncing words. Let me say this. Cabaret. Taylor, keep that in. Keep it in. I'm keeping it in. No, keep it in. Keep it in. Well, because Cabaret is my Cabernet. Can't escape this party scene. Hell with Countess, now I'm queen. It's part of the lyrics of my music, so she's referring to my music. Tickets are available now at Countess. Ah, fuck. Just don't call me countless like Mario. Tickets are now available at CountessLuan.com. And where can everyone find you and pimp yourself out? Go for it. Well, Instagram, you know, CountessLuan on Instagram and, you know, all the social media stuff.

1:02:38And, you know, for tickets, that's where to get them. And come with your good energy. And I'm going to be playing Toronto. I'm doing Vegas for Bravo Cop. That's fun. House of Blues. So, you know, lots of tour dates coming up. And I just got asked to do Sydney, Australia. I'm playing Mardi Gras, which is a big deal on Bondi Beach. I've never been to Australia. And I'm getting paid to go to Australia. I'm very proud of that. I heard the boys are fun in Australia. I know. I should probably, you shouldn't bring sand to the beach. So I should probably leave my guy home. He's fine here. You know, I think you should go fresh.

1:03:12Did Dorinda say that? I think Dorinda said that. Dorinda, I love her one-liners. It's like, don't bring sand to the beach. meaning don't bring a guy if you're going to Australia. Yeah. Yeah. I think that term is universal. I think it goes. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your outfit. Thank you so much. Go watch YouTube, you guys, because this outfit is a real good one. And it's also Giovanni. It is because I'm feeling Giovanni. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Luanne. You're great.

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#887: Join us as we sit down with LuAnn de Lesseps –  famously known as the "Countess LuAnn," a television personality, singer, actress, & author best known as an original cast member of The Real Housewives of New York City. From her early days as a model living in Switzerland to pop-culture stardom, & now taking the world by storm as a cabaret star, LuAnn has built a dynamic career unlike any other. In this episode, LuAnn gets candid about iconic Housewives moments, her creative process behind the Cabaret Tour – Marry F Kill, life as a Countess, & the unforgettable experiences that shaped her journey. 


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