Dr. Gerry Curatola On The Oral Microbiome, Ozempic Teeth, Jaw Clenching, & What Your Dentist Isn't Telling You

29:07And we had, you know, osteoporosis studies linking with fetal bone cancer in children, osteosarcoma in male children between the ages of seven, six and 11. That was Harvard School of Public Health, 2006. What else? Thyroid disruption. What else? Calcifying your pineal gland. Oh, that's just a little thing, you know, between your eyes there. It's often referred to as the third eye. well, your pineal gland, what does that control? Melatonin production. Well, what does that do? Sleep. Why is sleep important? Hell, that's how we regenerate. You know? So this is the insanity of, of this policy that it's time, you know, it's time for people to wake up and it's time for dentists to really kind of like snap out of it and say, wait a minute, wait a minute.

29:54You don't get cavities from a lack of fluoride. You get cavities from an imbalance in the oral microbiome, which is why I spent my whole life. You got that toothpaste upside down, by the way. Don't do it upside down. Tell us about the veneers. First of all, there are a lot of different porcelain. Okay. So what's the difference between a biologic aesthetic dentist, a biologic cosmetic dentist, and a conventional cosmetic dentist? Conventional cosmetic dentist may have good hands, may do aesthetics and all that. In our office, we're going to look at you much more holistically. We're going to see a lot of times people that need veneers have had bonding and fillings and all this other stuff.

30:33And a lot of that material really needs to be cleaned out on the light and it needs to be removed. By the way, we remove microplastics the way we would remove any other toxic material. We don't just drill it out where it goes all over and you're swallowing and all this stuff. We're going to use a porcelain that has, we're not going to use any aluminums or any metals because believe it or not, there's aluminum disilicate is a real restorative material. So we are going to use non-BPA composite resins or BPA-free resins. We're going to use porcelains that do not have any aluminum in them or any other material that, you know, they actually were putting lead in porcelain to make it reflect more.

31:19Why, as you're talking, why would all dentists not do this as a cost thing, more expensive material? I think it's an awareness and a consciousness. I think people - I think you're focused on, And listen, aesthetic dentistry is one of, you know, I love doing aesthetic dentistry. I mean, I was an art minor when I was in college. I was a neuroscience major and an art minor. So when I came out, I gravitated to cosmetic dentistry and I was in the beginning of it. You know, the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry didn't even exist. And I was doing, you know, I was doing veneers in 1983. Wow. Even the biggest guys in New York, the biggest, you know, restorative cosmetic guys, they didn't even, they weren't even, there was only one laboratory that I worked with and it was in Kansas city, Missouri, that it was good.

32:03The chameleon dental laboratory. I'll never forget 1983 that was doing veneers. Then a company called Denmet in California got into doing veneers, but, but remember, you know, it's great to do aesthetics. And I came up with the name rejuvenation dentistry because I wanted to put the wellness doc together with the beauty doc. And I said, you know, really rejuvenation is not just looking younger, but it's, you know, living healthier and living longer. So it's really important to look biologically, not just mechanically at how we restore teeth. What is Ozempic teeth? It's, it's, it's a real thing.

32:44Really? It's a real thing because, well, you know, these GLP drugs are amazing. You know, they can do some really, I mean, it really restores and levels out blood sugar because diabetes is to me the biggest issue, the most, one of the most inflammatory issues, and it's very connected to gum disease. So gum disease increases your chance of getting type two diabetes, right? And then type two diabetes makes inflammation in the mouth and bleeding gums, you know, terrible. And so you have this two way street where blood sugar really is a major, major problem. It's connected to, they're calling Alzheimer's, you know, type three diabetes.

33:26So really we have this problem with blood sugar. So the GLP, you know, these peptides have really done, I think a really amazing thing in helping people lose weight, get their blood sugar back to normal, help their cardiovascular system, you know, reverse their diabetes and all this stuff. But what they do is they slow gastric emptying and they slow the flow of bile. Now you need bile for vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin K, by the way, vitamin D and K are in revitin. But when they reduce vitamin D, for example, and they also make you your mouth drier. So your mouth gets drier, your teeth start to get more brittle.

34:10And a lot of that is lower vitamin D. You need vitamin D and K for your teeth and bones. It's really important. So, you know, they're calling those Zempic teeth and the dentist out there, oh, you got Zempic teeth, you know, because they're seeing higher decay rates, gum recession and all that. And all of that is controllable, but you need to be aware of it. So what do people do if they're on Zempic and they don't want Zempic teeth? One, they need to make sure that they're hydrating much more than they used to. Okay. Number two, they need to increase their intake of protein. Number three, they need to watch their vitamin D levels.

34:45You know, that's why, you know, I created reviton and by the way, you know, it was 15 to 20 years of research. And, and I realized that we've got to get out of symptom driven healthcare or oral care. Uh, we got to get out of symptom driven oral care and really look at, at root causes. And a lot of, one of the things that drove me into developing revitin was i saw a study from japan from the 1970s that showed that gums that you know disease gums periodontal disease they found this one these group of researchers found that that gums were deficient in vitamin c and coq10 those were the two big biggest nutrients coq10 you know i know you're taking it michael well that's what i was asking before we started the show guys i was out there's coq10 in the revitin and i take coq10 as a supplement but not i wasn't doing it because my teeth i just heard it was good for well you actually take in your toothpaste but i've been taking my toothpaste too if i wasn't alive you would be using colgate for your toothpaste for the last 10 years but thanks to me you've been using revitin yeah i didn't even realize you were using revitin before we even knew each other i was using your toothpaste before i met you but i it was the old packaging i'm so old my son my son grant has done an amazing job you know really getting it was only the citrus right no you know he said to me he said dad you have the best toothpaste all my friends love it it's the best you know you have the best toothpaste but it's packaged like swiss hemorrhoid cream and i was like it was like white you know it had the blue and i thought it was like you know prominent he's like that is it just doesn't look like what you did and this you could tell this is something you could eat so why do you want coq10 for your teeth coq10 is the cofactor in the manufacturer of ATP.

36:31And in English, ATP is the energy in the tank. So the more the metabolic need, like your heart beating all the time, your skin and your gums. So the more the metabolic need, and those are the three highest metabolic needs, heart, gums, and skin, you need more CoQ10. And as you get older, your ability to make CoQ10 goes down. So we found that CoQ10 and vitamin C, which we knew, you know, sailors on ships got scurvy, which was really gross, but scurvy is, you know, this really diseased gums. And they found that they were deficient in CoQ10 on the ships. But actually recently I learned that Portuguese sailors, because of what they line their water tanks or whatever with, they were actually getting vitamin C from it.

37:18And so they didn't have any scurvy. So vitamin C, I mean, if I could take any vitamin, if I could only keep one vitamin. I had to get rid of every vitamin in my medicine cabinet. The one vitamin I would keep is vitamin C. What's the brand that you like to take? The vitamin C? Yeah. I actually have a liposomal vitamin C that I use. There's a couple of good ones, but liposomal is a suspended form. We have higher absorption. Will you take the liposomal vitamin C from Symbiotica? Symbiotica is a good one. I heard that it's hard to get the vitamin C from a non-liposomal delivery system. it's true and and i actually make my own i have an optimal nutrition why are most clean toothpaste still wrecking our mouth because a lot of them are still so they're free of dyes when we say clean right we're taking out the artificial flavor which by the way the artificial flavors are horrendous you know they're still using saccharin and aspartame in the commercial toothpaste and actually the sugar alcohols are another pet peeve of mine, erythritol and xylitol, which are, you know, everybody's like, oh, you know, we use pretty birch bark for ours.

38:29And, you know, the reality is, is they all go through an industrialized process and it's a high value chemical and it's very disturbing to the microbiome. So it's really about the whole approach with reviton versus other clean toothpastes. We're focused on promoting or making peace with your microbes in your mouth because my research has shown, and recently I have a big paper being published on something called SMDC, Cialo Microbial Dental Complex. And that's a very fancy word for saliva, microbes, teeth, how they work together. Your saliva is loaded with ionic minerals like phosphorus and calcium.

39:17your microbial flora in your mouth, your oral microbiome actually transports minerals from saliva for your teeth to remineralize constantly. And that's when the, when the oral microbiome is in balance, when your microbiome is out of balance, you're, you actually demineralize and then you get cavities. So it's really the root cause of decay is not, you didn't have fluoride. It's not, you don't, you didn't use nano hydroxyapatite, which has got a whole host of other issues. You know, your teeth are not like porcelain tiles that need spackle. Your teeth are living, breathing organs that have a circulatory system, a, a lymphatic system, a neurologic system, a skeletal system.

40:07They actually, there is fluid exchange in the dental tubules and there's amazing things that go on with your teeth. They're living vital mini organs, so to speak. And, and so clean toothpaste is taking out dyes and minerals and all that, but it's not restoring balance to this essential ecology that keeps us alive. That makes total sense what you're saying. So the probiotic, the prebiotic, the vitamins are restorative. Correct. Tell us the truth about mouthwash. Let's break everyone's heart. I went viral on this. You know, I went into a supermarket and pulled a thing and it says, kills 99.9 % of germs in the mouth.

40:50And I said, you know, if we were really able to do that, we would unleash ecological Armageddon. Okay. Because guess what? Those microbes in your mouth, they're producing nitric oxide. Okay. And nitric oxide is important for everything from good sex to good heart, to your nervous system, to your immune system signaling, to all of that. Nitric oxide is one of the most essential compounds. And guess what? Your oral microbiome and nasal breathing, which by the way, was why I love your mouth tape the most. You heard it here first. The best dentist in the world, the father of biodentistry, loves the mouth tape.

41:30I do. Okay. Why? Because, well, it's comfortable and, and it actually, you know, cause a lot of them peel off and a lot of them are not comfortable and it does start to train you to do nasal breathing. The only thing I would say is make sure you don't have a deviated septum, make sure that you can breathe through your nose. Cause there are people that can't breathe through their nose. They need an ENT, but a lot of people breathe through their mouth. just, you know, it's just a habit. Which is really bad for you. And it's really bad for you. It increases your risk of periodontal disease, tooth decay, all these kinds of things.

42:05But most importantly, when you nasal breathe, you are making nitric oxide. Here we have again, nitric oxide. Let's talk about a reverse issue that, you know, a lot of people are mouth breathing. I think I fall in the camp of clenching my jaw. And I know you said stress lives in the jaw. For me, it's like I have a, like, I can tell sometimes I wake up and I'm like, man, I must've been clenching last night. And I wear the mouth guard, right? So that I like the, to guard the teeth. But do you agree with stress living in the jaw? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It's one of the first places it manifests.

42:36And, and, you know, I always, you know, I've always looked for the signs of that because it's, it's very dysregulating to your vagal nerve regulation. So you have, but you have a vagal nerve that goes from your brainstem literally to your colon. So like from the brain to the drain, you have this vagal nerve. And actually my new book, which is The Coherence Cure with Dr. Curitola, it's beyond the mouth-body connection. So The Mouth-Body Connection was the first book. And now I've been working on this whole concept of coherence because I think your mouth, the bridge of coherence, the most important center of coherence is your mouth.

43:13And if you're clenching you have dysregulation of your vagal nerve you have all kinds of inflammatory signals that are that are being given and and it's it and those inflammatory signals affect mental you know and and physical when you were saying the vagus nerve like you know one of the things that i have to work on and be mindful is my my hrv score yes and i have to do things like what's that the shift wave you just got that like i i don't know how you haven't tried that It's a Apollo neuro thing, but it helps because I need it for the vagus nerve. And I imagine it's connected to my jaw clenching.

43:48Vagal energy flow. So the vagus nerve is not just biologic, right? It's a real big nerve that goes from the brainstem to two-thirds of your colon. And what we have found in research is that the bridge of coherence for vagal regulation is the mouth and the heart. It's like right from what they call the energy center called the throat chakra to the heart chakra. So energetically, throat chakra to heart chakra, that's the bridge of coherence for alignment and regulation. Quick break to talk about pure grass-fed whey protein. Here's the thing. Most people don't realize that over two-thirds of protein powders tested by Consumer Reports have led above California's Prop 65 limits, some 10 times over.

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51:21Get it while it's hot at shopskinnyconfidential.com. That's shopskinnyconfidential.com. So what do you do with patients that clench their jaw and they want to stop? A lot of things. So first of all, we want to get to glucose because if you have an airway issue, so the first thing I would do if somebody's clenching is, do you have an airway issue? Because what happens is people start to clench at night and they clench at night because when the brain, when you have an apnea episode, your blood oxygen levels go down. The brain goes crazy and you clench or nor, you know, so we find a lot. You fix the airway, the clenching and the grinding actually goes away.

52:00Well, you saw my issue. I got my nose smashed. You saw my x-ray. So I got to get that fixed. So I got to come. Exactly. But that could be an issue with me. Right. So airway could be an issue for you, Michael. The other thing is I would look at ways that you can re-regulate. And so, you know, we look at, this is an interesting, this is very, very important. And I'm actually expounding on this in the book too. but actually we regulate and heal on five different levels, microbially. And we know about dysbiosis and what all of that does energetically, right? Energy flow. And, and, and so we look at meridian flow and things like that.

52:38We regulate on a biochemical level and that's hormone hormone regulation and all that. We regulate psychoemotionally. Some people, you know, they got stuck psycho-emotionally and they, they get stinking thinking. They live in a state of fear and anxiety. And that's unfortunately the environment we're in right now really, you know, it makes us incoherent, you know, and, and doesn't restore coherence. You just turn on the news and, you know, we have, we have incoherence in our, you know, in our climate, incoherence in our, you know, economy, politics, anywhere you want to look, there's a lack of coherence.

53:16The shift wave chair you should get for your office. It's absolutely life-changing. It vibrates and like you wear a little thing on your finger and it measures. It's really amazing. And it plays some sound to you too, so it might be similar to what? What are the scary truths about x-rays? Well, x-rays are cumulative. Okay. So we, you know, that we know. And what's interesting is I have a good friend who's major nutritional product manufacturer and he's working on products that eliminate ionizing radiation from the body. Fortunately, a lot of new x-rays are digital, but I, and there's, see, there are tools that can be used in dentistry to minimize patient exposure to dental x-rays.

53:57Because again, the first thing I said was it's cumulative. So if, you know, every time you go to the dentist, like every, every six months you go to the dentist or some people go three months, it's like every six months you need x-rays you need x-rays you need x-rays it's like you know what wait a minute you know there's ways what are you taking the x-rays for well we want to measure bone levels we want to check for decay between the teeth into proximally well we have trans illumination for that and we have other methods of measuring periodontal pockets and bone levels and things like that where it's not necessary every six months and you know especially on kids you know And I find it really, you know, we can use other ways of other diagnostic tools that we have in the box right now, other than using, you know, standard dental x-rays every time a patient goes to the dentist.

54:47It always scares me when they're like, there's no problem. I know, it's like, what? They run out of the room. Gen Z has the biggest problem with oral inflammation. Why? I don't know. You tell me. first of all that's a real stat oh yeah they're grinding their teeth because they're on their phone too much they are cyborgs okay meaning they are half machine and half i have a social media guy you know they're all in their 20s they're really good they're in their 20s you know early 20s and you know he said to me i'm a cyborg i was like you know michael you have to get off the phone you know michael i'm going to take the phone away just for a little bit you know because he's you know, we would, we would be shooting content and the Gen Zers, they are so connected and they're so impatient with someone like me.

55:39Like here I am, I'm a baby boomer. Okay. So I'm literally a dinosaur and like literally, and they, and I would hold the phone and go, I'll find it. And he's like, Dr. Jerry, Dr. Jerry, can I take, can I take that? Cause he was like, he would, and then he would literally take the phone and I think he would just look at it and like, it would come up, you know, what I was looking for. So why do they have the most, the biggest problem with oral inflammation? There are so, their, their nervous system is so overstimulated and, and they are so, I mean, if you get EMFs and all that other crap, the reality is, is that they are very tech.

56:16All of that is very inflammatory besides the fact that it's diet. What's interesting is I find that diet and nutrition, of course, are a cornerstone, you know, of oral health, right? Alkalizing, anti-inflammatory, antioxidant rich. That's what I always talk about with diets. And I don't get into, oh, keto and pescatarian, you know, pescatarian and all this other stuff. It's like alkalizing, anti-inflammatory, antioxidant rich, you know? The second thing is exercise. So exercise, what does exercise do? Exercise improves immune system competence, circulatory function. You're moving lymph. You are actually producing short-chain fatty acids.

57:00Short-chain fatty acids are very anti-inflammatory, so it helps to reduce inflammation. And you need that. So exercise is important. Third thing, stress management. You really want to control stress. And I find that Gen Zers, they're super super stressed they're way well imagine that every time you turn something on it's just telling you how bad everything is right it's interesting when i talk to people because we you know i think similar there was always you know bad news in the world but you didn't grow up constantly being bombarded with how terrible things were you grew up with a lot of hope but it's the person it's the person who's using it responsibility to take autonomy over it but the problem is, Lauren, for like...

57:45And not turn it on. You have to have boundaries around it. Yeah, but I'm empathetic to this because... Because the world's going to keep moving. Boundaries, yes. I totally agree with that. I think that a lot of them are going to have some very serious health problems because of this inability to manage what is a stress that they're not even aware of. Well, because think about this. When we grew up, there was like 30 channels that you would watch and the majority of... There was some of the news, some bad things, but the majority in what's good, like happy programming, good movies, good stories.

58:15It's, you know, like, even like, even if action movies were crazy, but the problem is now the main channel is the phone and these companies have learned that fear sells and anxiety keeps you hooked. And so the majority of programming that you're turning on the news that you're watching on social is bad, scary, negative news all the time. And so, yeah, you can be intentional, but like we grew up understanding that there were those kinds of options. If you grew up in a time where it's like only shit all the time. It's hard to escape that. I have empathy. I have empathy. I just, no, I do too. I do too.

58:44And the problem is that it's not, it's not necessarily true. It's just, that's the stuff that people realize they can showcase to you to get your attention. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think a lot of them, and you know, I have, you know, they work with me and, you know, and they work, you know, in my practice and all, and they're, and, and they're wonderful. And in many ways, I find that they really have some extraordinary gifts. And then there's a lot of things that are very concerning for me, not just for their oral health, but for their systemic health and wellness and their mental health and wellness.

59:20Wow, we covered a lot. Everyone should go get your toothpaste. I've been using your toothpaste forever. My kids use it. My dad uses it. My stepmom uses it. My whole family's on it. I personally like it because of the prebiotics in it. I like it because of the vitamins. I put it on my gums. I was healing the other day and I put it on my gums. It's amazing. I personally like the citrus flavor. That is my favorite. That's my ride or die. I like the mint though, because it makes me feel like I'm doing, like maybe something nostalgic. It makes me feel like I'm getting the job done. Yeah. You know, what's interesting is that everyone was addicted to mint in oral care and everybody doesn't understand like the reason why there were these really strong peppermint oils thrown into toothpaste is it covered up everything that was bitter in the soap, right?

1:00:06Because what was toothpaste? Toothpaste was developed by soap makers a hundred years ago and 150 years ago. And so basically, you know, you had soap for your clothes, soap for your hands, soap for your hair, soap for your skin, and then you needed soap for your mouth. So it was really detergent in origin. And then it was all about putting chemicals in, bug killers and all that. So really what I wanted to do is take it and turn it into a nutritional product. And what I didn't realize when I first was developing this, and it was one of my mentors, Dr. Stephen Moss, who was, he's an MD, DDS, PhD.

1:00:44And, and he had a company called health education enterprises, and he would be given money by the majors to kind of do research that would say why something worked. Like if Colgate was coming out, they wanted to study how to kill plaque because that's what their objective was. They thought it was a good thing, right? You put pesticide in toothpaste. The triclosan was a non-biodegradable pesticide. The principal ingredient in the leading toothpaste for 20 years was triclosan. I had too much of that in my body. I had to do like a detox. Yeah. I mean, triclosan is a nasty, non-biodegradable chemical, but why did they put it in there?

1:01:23well they found and maybe if we use a little bit you know it'll kill plaque little did they know that they were you know you need healthy plaque keeps you alive you know so he was he said you know your product might save the world and i laughed and he said no i'm serious he goes because if these bastards you know continue to put this stuff you know what we know you know his research showed that you don't want to kill plaque. You really want to make your mouth, you want to restore health. You want to make peace with your microbes. And the problem with brushing your teeth is it's a daily habit that you're doing twice, sometimes three times a day.

1:02:01So you have to examine these daily habits, I think, and see what you're putting in your mouth, right? Absolutely. You gave us code skinny for 15 % off. You can go to revitin.com. That's R-E-V-I-T-I-N.com. use code skinny start with a citrus just trust me and if you want to do a consultation with dr jerry tell us what you are offering the audience well we i do virtual consults the easiest way to kind of be introduced and we're going to give 20 off a virtual consult well how do they book they can go to um right to our website rejuve health okay so or they can follow follow me on Instagram. Yeah.

1:02:43Follow me on Instagram at Dr. Jerry Curitola in the link tree. There's a way you can book a virtual consult. We are going to give a discount for skinny confidential. Skinny is the code for the Revitan. Skinny is the code for the consults. The consults people love. They really gives them a lot of information and it helps guide them. And if they choose to come visit us in our offices, we're more than happy to see them. Otherwise, we will help guide them to to someone that can help them in their area. What I will say, the problem with seeing you is that once you see you, you don't want to go anywhere else because it's comprehensive.

1:03:21And also it makes you think about some of the things that you're, and listen, not to diminish anyone, but when you start to see how comprehensive it is, the things that you do and the way you do it. Like even when you helped me with one of my veneers in the back and it was because it broke, and even with the ozone and cleaning it up and getting it all organized, I was like, wow, I'd never done that before. Yeah. You know, there are protocols that I've created over 40 years that have really been effective. And that, you know, and I always say, you know, good dentistry can be expensive, but not as expensive as bad dentistry.

1:03:49And I see people going through problems and issues and the same problem over and over. So I really, you know, would recommend a virtual consult or an in-person meeting. Next time I see you, we're going to fix my airway. Absolutely. Dr. Jerry, I will see you next time I'm in New York. And thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. It's great to see you. Thank you.