Dr. Terry Dubrow And Heather Dubrow Reveal What Really Works: The Truth About GLP-1s, Cosmetic Procedures, Relationship Advice, And Youthful Skin

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35:34And I was like, listen, you've been trying your entire life to get down 40 pounds. You know, there is now help. Go do it. And she did it, and she looks phenomenal. And I feel like what upsets me is this stigma that everyone has against it. When I was in high school, I smoked cigarettes and drank Diet Coke and took Dexatrim. Are you telling me that that is better than doing Dr. Zepidide? It's not. It was dangerous and it was so bad for you. This is not dangerous. This isn't dangerous. What about the gallbladder stuff that I hear? Yeah, no. Okay. Doesn't really happen. What about the - Pancreatitis is what you heard.

36:13Okay, maybe pancreatitis. Yeah, no, it turns out not so much. The only thing you don't want, if you have a family history of multiple endocrine neoplasia, it's a particular weird, super rare type of thyroid cancer. Okay, you don't want to be on that theoretically. But that was that study was only true in rats. It's probably you can probably even if you have a family history of this medullary carcinoma of the thyroid. That's that if you have family history, you're not supposed to take it. And what about the blindness? Yeah, that is. Have you seen this on Instagram? That is a lot of BS, by the way.

36:43I just, I'm at, I, by the way, I have actual no opinion on it and I, I'm not judgmental of anything. I just am asking you all these questions because I feel like you know them all and this is all what people say. You know, but it's scary because you, like I'll scroll through Instagram or TikTok sometimes and all of a sudden it's like stuff like that. Like I saw a thing on an antibiotic the other day and they were saying, you know, you could lose your limbs if you use this antibiotic and I sent it to them. I'm like, is that true? Okay. Do you know how dangerous, do you know how incredibly dangerous and life-threatening Tylenol is in this?

37:15Forget about the Tylenol autism thing that's going on right now. Yeah, but Tylenol legitimately is dangerous. Legitimately is the most dangerous drug that you could possibly take. That's why when these people started chugging Tylenol, I'm like, that is insane. You're going to die. You're going to die. Okay. So if you look at the number of cases of Tylenol-induced liver failure in this country versus how many cases of blindness from these GLP-1s, it doesn't, I don't even know that's true. But you know, they love, everyone loves to hate on a new thing, particularly when it comes to you took a shortcut to losing weight.

37:49I hate that. I hate that stigma. I don't like that at all. Like I said, what we did was so much more dangerous than this, which is a totally safe thing. What I'm hoping for is that the next iteration of these drugs, and I know they're coming out with a pill right now. I don't know if the efficacy is the same, but I'm hoping for someone like me, I want the ancillary benefits. I want the cognitive health and the cardioprotective and all these amazing things that are, I mean, every day they're coming out and now we found out your hair is thicker. You know, it's like every day there's a, I'm lying about that, but every day that there's like a new thing about these drugs that I kind of, I want in.

38:29What are those? Cause okay. So I have not struggled with my weight personally. And when I hear these things, I have no judgment again. Do what you want. But when someone like me hears, I'm like, well, I don't feel like I need... I could always look a little better, but I don't feel like I need to trim off a bunch of weight. What if someone doesn't need to trim off weight? What are the other benefits that I could potentially exhibit? And if I'm not trying to lose weight, will it turn off my hunger hormones and then I will lose too much weight? So not if you... First of all, you got to figure out what kind of responder you are.

39:00Maybe 30 % of people don't respond at all. Maybe I'm in the category where I'm a super responder. But if you're a typical person, you'll go on 2.5 and you'll go and you'll get used to it. You won't want to eat and then you'll sort of it'll wear off much more quickly on your body. But the benefits for the brain and, you know, it's about to get indications for Alzheimer's, for addiction disorders. It's for the heart, cardioprotective. So it's it's really all about controlling the sugar and inflammation. So it's going to be the ultimate anti-aging drug. I have heard. So that's why you got so into it.

39:35It was, it's all those things. Well, I got into it because, well, I got in a fight with Jillian Michaels on, in social media. I don't know if you know about this. Is that still going on? Did you see that? Wait, tell us about the fight. It was brief. And this is so my husband. So yeah, they got into a little argument because he was talking about the GLP-1s and how much she liked them. And she talked about how dangerous it was. I'm thinking, what are you talking about? What do you know about them? And he may have made an obnoxious comment like, when I want medical advice, I'm not going to go to a trainer.

40:04And if you want to give medical advice, you should probably take the MCATs, go to medical school. So she got mad. It was kind of like that. And then she wanted to like meet up and have a big talk and all the things. And so he didn't do that. But in typical Terry Dubrow fashion, he was like, well, I'm going to become an expert. So he studied for the board exam. He's now a triple board certified doctor. General surgery, plastic surgery and the obesity medicine. You know what I think you should do? And it would go viral. I think you guys should invite her on your podcast. She wanted me to go on her podcast.

40:36But we get along with her very well. And we know her. I think what I like about her is she will be straight up, but she will create the space for the debate. I think she'll take it like a good. Well, I was obnoxious and I apologize for that. That was, you know, insulting. But, you know, TMZ, I was coming out of Craig's. She's got a good skin. I had a couple drinks on board. And the TMZ thing there. What do you think of Jillian Michaels saying it's the worst drug of all time? I go, it's like a cure for the number one risk factor of death. So it's the greatest drug of all time. And then I thought, I'm a plastic surgeon.

41:09She could criticize me and say, well, you're only a plastic surgeon. I thought, all right, so I'm going to become a true expert. And that's why I did this. That's why he did it. That's cool, though, that he gets so curious that he becomes an expert. You could call it curious. I'm going to tell you he's stubborn and needs to be right. You really need to be right. Yes, Joe, you try arguing with him. Well, it was scary because I said, oh, I'm going to become board certified. And then I started reading. So I go, this is not my specialty. This is an internal medicine specialty. So here I'm reading endocrinology and nutrition, all these things.

41:39And I told everybody I'm taking the exam. I thought this was so dumb. And he's like, why did I tell everyone I was doing this? Oh, because if it didn't go well. If I failed. Because people are going, hey, I didn't find out for three months after I took the exam. People are going, hey, I have the board certification exam. I'm going, I better pass this. people are well i think people also would they want to ask you questions about that specific thing because people are seeing such good results right yeah it's expanding beyond obesity yeah so just you know how hot this area is there's a drug the next one in line is a triple hormone drug so there's glp1 that's ozempic glp1 gip that's trisepatide we'll go um zepbound and monjaro and there's a new one called retta trutide which is three hormones okay people are so into these that they're now making it illegally compounding it at pharmacy and it hasn't even been fda approved right now red they call it retta it's all over the internet is that one good or bad it's if you if you look at the data right now in stage three clinical trials it's way better with way less side effects i'll tell you how so the way one of the ways in which you sort of evaluate these what percent of your weight will you lose in the study period of time so ozempic wagovi is like 10 to 13 percent okay that's pretty good yeah so if you weigh 200 pounds you'll lose 20 that's not bad maybe 22.

43:12Trisepatide is like 18%. Okay, way better. Reditrutide is like 25 % with less side effects. What's going on though? This is what scares me about this. What's going on with the skin that's sagging from losing weight so quick? Exactly. Or the hair, the hair loss. Yeah. Skin, I mean, I don't care how you lose your weight. You lose weight, it happens in your face first yes always i think if i were to lose weight quicker with the help of one of these you're right from the people that i've interviewed i would take a massive amount of amino acid eat a mass amount of protein massive amount i would be taking i already take so much amino acid because it's literally changed my entire hair like i cannot say that enough to everyone who's listening but if you are on it to me to balance it out with the hair loss and the weight loss you need protein and amino acid right right no quite you're exactly i would recommend a collagen too a multi-source collagen peptide you almost have to like it's like a what's it called a seesaw it's a balance yeah yeah well it's because of the rapidity which you lose weight you just lose it so quickly look if you starve yourself if you fast for 30 days you're going to look the same you know it's the ozempic face phenomenon yeah you've heard of the ozempic vulva phenomenon nope tell us about the about the the bro let's get some social clips here tell us about the ozempic vulva so is that how you say it ozempic vulva is a real thing just for the record i do not have ozempic that's what i'm going to open the episode with it's going to just be you I didn't like that.

44:53She can open the episode and say, hi, I'm Heather Dubrow. I do not have Ozempic vulva. My vulva is just funny. Your vulva is nice, I must say. Thank you. So Ozempic vulva is not that you've lost so much weight down there. Things are loose, like with Ozempic face. Like the hands. Sorry about that. Thank you for the visual as well. Maybe that wasn't good. but a zampic vulva refers to this concept of decreased hydration and lubrication down there so it's not as moist and lubricated and because you know the difference between us and them is that our stuff is skin covered their stuff is mucosal covered so it's like the inside of the mouth so you really need moisture we are really getting to know each other here do you know what I'm saying I know exactly what you're saying it makes a lot of sense love the visual well have you ever heard that people that are on the GLP-1s get dry mouth you get dry down so it's dry everywhere so you get like vulvitis and vaginitis and all of these things I thought you were gonna say like you just like the weight loss causes like a puffy pussy or like something no it's the opposite it would be deflated right remember we were talking about ozempic face so it's a deflated vagina it is deflated and apparently dry dry so it's like a balloon cute do you play it it's dry so now people are going to be going to get filler in their vagina no you have to hydrate and it's really important to stay hydrated because when you lose the when the satiety centers of your brain you're not hungry you're also not drinking as much people drink and you just lose all sort of interest in food and liquid when you're on these drugs so it sounds like if you're on these things you have to really be proactive in your diet and taking your protein and your collagen and your aminos and all.

46:39And lifting weights. Like we talked about, it's even more important. Okay. And what about, I heard that a lot of people who are experiencing, you mentioned this earlier, someone who drinks a lot or does drugs, it's turning that center off. Is that right? It's fantastic for that. Yeah. Because you literally can't drink when you're on these drugs. I think it should have an FDA approval for alcoholism. If you're an alcoholic, because you drink on these, and by the way, I want so I did when I first started doing it I'm on 2.5 now and I do it every seven days every 10 days I sort of do it in a designer way if I'm going to go on vacation I'll go off it so I can overeat and over drink yeah yeah I know right next week there'll be no dose yes we'll be on the beach drinking but the first time I went on five milligrams I had two margaritas the next night and and anybody's listening this if you drink too much or even drink your normal too much amount like if you're on vacation or going to a party or something you'll be sicker than you've ever sick like vomit sick vomiting doesn't even give you relief it's just sicker than you've ever been in your life if you drink alcohol on these glp1 drugs so if you're an alcoholic people that are drinking on them you can drink a little bit look once you like i feel like so many people i know that I've like had a drink with are like, oh, I'm on it and they're drinking.

48:03Well, also the effects. Maybe it's different person to person. Well, the effects and side effects will wear off. So even if you have the sort of indigestion, the GERD, all of the sort of delay emptying issues you get with these drugs, they wear off the longer you're on them. Huh. God, I've learned so. It's like been like a master's class. This is the biggest breakthrough in the history of medicine. Let's start the episode off with that. Now let's talk about the biggest breakthrough of beauty. And I'm going to ask you this. What are you seeing in the beauty industry that is rocking your world? I mean, I have to say, I think that, so we have our own skincare and supplement line that we've had for over a decade.

48:48And our whole concept was an internal, external approach to health, wellness, and beauty. So it's called consult beauty. Terry does it on TikTok live right now. If you need a laugh for an hour, you can check him out. I just make jokes for two hours. Yeah, he's very silly. But that was our whole vibe. And I have to say, I think everyone else has finally caught up to this. But, you know, ingestible collagens and peptides and all of these things that we're ingesting, I think absolutely come out in our skin. And I think the topicals have become so much better, too. I mean, back in the day, it used to just be vitamin in A, C, and E.

49:23Yeah. And that's all we had. What do you think about peptides, not the GLP ones, just regular peptides? Injectable peptides? Yeah. I haven't done them yet. We're going to test it. Yeah, we're about to do an experiment ourselves with the two most common types. Which one? The BPC? Yes. I've done it straight. The Smorlin? Yep, great. Yep. I think you'll like the peptides. Yeah, but what are they doing to you physiologically? we've spoken to, it's like, I love them. They're great. Well, how do you feel differently? I don't know. I just feel great. I want a clear reason why I'm taking something. I agree with you.

49:55I did one. I can't remember the exact name. I could find out. And it was a sleep one, actually. Yeah. And it didn't make me sleep longer. But it gave me like a healthier, deeper sleep. Better quality. And I was on fire after that. Like I felt great. Did you go off it? Yeah. I mean, whenever I do it, I'll do it for like a week or two. You cycle it. I cycle it. Yeah. And then I go off. And then I cycle for like a quarter. I don't go back on for a while. And do you feel like you maintain those results after being on it? Yeah. So it like retrains your body a little bit? Yeah. And I hurt my back real bad.

50:26And I did that and that took me like 90 % of the way healed and faster. So here's the problem with this. These peptides are not FDA approved. They're not regulated. You don't know where they're coming from. You got to get a trusted play. Yeah. You know, and they're completely untested. They're not any different really than doing steroids at the gym. You know, trend. You know, they do trend. That's actually better. more study trend because more guys have done it can tell you the dose of trend to get shredded is this no one really knows the right dose you go to one beverly hills doctor to get these peptides he's going to put you on this for this dose and then the guy down the streets goes nah i do this and this and they're all making it up well that doesn't mean it doesn't work by the way most of it truthfully it's probably placebo well that's interesting too because at least with my back i was real messed up and so that's why i did it and it was to the point where this injury where i was like oh i'm like i'm not gonna be walking right for a while and so even if it was placebo and it works so annoying i'm in i'm in i don't blame you my heart breaks yeah i didn't care and i was nine months pregnant he's like my back hurts i'm like no but you know when you throw out your back it's a real it's a real thing but you know what listen when i was nine months pregnant with the twins I had kidney stones and I was lying on the bathroom floor, nine months pregnant with twins, with my head on the cool tile, passing kidney stones.

51:51And he stepped over me. I went, can I go to the bathroom? I wasn't as sympathetic as I might be. Oh my God. But here's the thing. So I feel for the back. No, but here's the thing. You say, even if it's placebo, you're okay with it. Even if it was placebo, I was fine with it. But what if we find out that with prolonged use of it, it exposes you to a greater chance of cancer? No, of course. That's a concern that people are talking about and having. Yeah. I mean, honestly, at the time I would have gotten, that back pain was pretty bad. You would have done anything. Yeah, you would have done it anyway.

52:19But the thing with the GLP-1s is they've been around for so many years because diabetics have used them that they have - We have 14 years of data for the GLP-1s. Yeah, that there's a lot of data. This peptide thing is concerning because you really don't know what the long-term effects are. Yeah, the ones that can grow things like the growth hormone ones, I think those are the ones you've got to be just thoughtful. again i'm not the expert people are the people in the peptide space we've had them on the show are going to watch this and be screaming i mean i'm just saying i've tried them and those are my experiences but i'll tell you something the people in the peptide space who come here with the md facs certified we're making it up we don't know we don't have data it's not taught in med school it's not residency you were just like flying by the seat of our pants we get a lot of shit for doing this show because we have been skeptical about medical vice medical vice in general just It's like, not that we don't think there's great doctors and there's a place.

53:11But when I hear things like that from somebody who practices the way you do, like, I imagine there's a lot of people in medicine that are also kind of just winging it in some areas. And we've seen now, like, you really have to be your own kind of. Well, I also think personally that, you know, being a doctor is tough these days. You know, insurance, you know, what doctors get paid and all of that. And it feels like people want to try to enhance their salaries. You know what? And so they sell different. I mean, that's why you see dentists doing facelifts and, you know, OBGYNs doing liposuction and all this crazy stuff that really never used to happen.

53:53So now doctors are selling youth. We're selling peptides. We're selling, you know, all this stuff. That's scary to me. That's a great point. but I'm but no but I'm by the way I'm kind of glad because what doctors did when like OBGYNs weren't making any money from the insurance company anymore because the reimbursements were so low they would start doing let's do liposuction oh let's I'll take a weekend course in breast augmentation let's start doing faceless because you have a medical license you can do anything I'd rather oh my god that's so scary prescribe peptides than that put a scalpel in their hand do cosmetic surgery does liposuction really work?

54:31yes if it's done in a very particular way under the right circumstances which which is what so you have to have relatively tight skin okay if you have loose skin it's going to make it worse if you have a lot of cellulite it's going to make it worse so skin laxity critical and you have to very focal area of what's called lipodystery of fat so let's say you have an area out here and the best liposuction can would be a dolphin because you suction the fat and the skin is so tight it's going to just wrap right around the new area but also isn't it true that liposuction is actually better on on thinner people it's not to reduce someone who's larger it's really for someone who has like a spot resistant area someone that's got the tire or the outer thighs or things like that if the skin's tight if the skin's good so and if you don't do it too aggressively i would die if you brought a dolphin on botch and you did liposuction on a dolphin well i think the humane society no it might have been a botched dolphin that's the only way to go now to get on botch maybe if his maybe if his little fin is so this guy texted me i know from cnbc okay i'm a fan of him on cnbc he says a friend of mine his wife has got a disaster problem and he sends it to me and it's kind of not it's it's it's bad but it's not bad enough to get embotched anymore to get embotched you have to be destroyed now at this after 10 years embotched has to be really bad like what's the worst thing you guys have ever seen embotched yeah so we had this lady in season three that went to one of those plumping parties you ever heard these illegal plumping parties.

56:24What's that? You ever heard someone say, oh, I've got a girl and we all go to this house? Yeah, yeah, like a Tupperware party. Right, and have silicone or whatever. And it turned out, she was doing that, it turned out to be caulking material from a hardware store. Like cement. Like actual caulking? Like actual caulking. And people have gone to prison for this. The madam in Florida. So she had all this stuff. Initially, it looked good and then the immune system started to overreact. And she came in with these masses all over her face. and no doctor would touch her because they were concerned that if you take it all out you're going to kill the blood supply to the skin that's going to die or the nerves you're going to look like a stroke or the immune system is going to go yes screw you and make it worse so i we turned it down season three like everybody else did a season four i brought her back and i took an orthopedic saw and sawed the concrete out oh i left the upper a little bit in the upper a little bit of the lower and you could kind of feel it but you feel your bones your bones feel like concrete she and she looked so good totally normal that was my biggest success success with what you do with that that must be so satisfying it it's like it's like fulfilling it's the best thing that ever happened to me and it taught me you know you get good at what you do all the time so i became very good at doing impossible surgery but at the same token you're taking on cases that if they go badly everybody's going to go, that wasn't fixable.

57:52What were you doing? Human experimentation? You shouldn't have even tried that. Now though, the impossible is quite normal for us to try, just as long as we apply regular surgical principles. So it's been super rewarding. Really cool. I want to take a turn. This is like such a turn and talk about real estate. Yes. What you guys have done with real estate is so inspiring to me. I don't know a lot about it. I would love to know how you guys got into it, how you think about it, when you know to buy, when you know to sell. I think it's fascinating. We are accidental flippers. We never meant to be.

58:28We're pretty good at it. Yeah, we're experts in it. We never sat down and went, we should buy this house and flip it. Like, that really has never been a conversation. Weirdly, we move every three years. Like, my twins, I think they've lived in 11 or 12 houses. Just for variety to switch it up? No, just because it's how it happened. You know, we got this house. We were living in Bel Air. We had the twins. We bought this second place down in Newport so we wouldn't have to commute. And then the market went crazy. So I threw the house on the market. Crazy number. And it sold full price, 10 days. They turned out to be criminals.

59:02I have no idea how that deal went through, but it did. It did. So you just do that and you're like, if it happens, great. But if not, we're happy in the house. No other houses. We had knocks on the door. Honestly, the two we built from the ground up, they were knocks on the door. So they're knocking at your door saying, can we buy a... Not literally. Josh Altman knock. It's called bird dog in London. Yeah, the last one, Josh Altman, we're good friends now, but I didn't know him at the time. And he was calling me and blowing up my social media, calling my podcast studio. And I go, who is this guy?

59:32Why is he blowing up my... I go, Terry, you call him. And he goes, oh, there's a guy that wants to see your house. And I went, oh, okay. And this is the only place we lived in for six years because of the pandemic. This is what's commonly known as Chateau Dubreuil. Okay, I was going to ask you about the iconic one. That one. So it was that one. And I designed every square inch of this house. Beautiful. Every ceiling detail, every edge detail, the furniture, everything. So cool. And no one, and even though it had been on the show, no one really knew the house because we had secret rooms and we had a panic room and things that weren't shown.

1:00:02So I said to Josh, I'm like, yeah, okay, come over. I'll show the house. I went for, I didn't take it seriously. I went for a run. I was like sweaty I had a baseball hat on and Josh comes in with this gazillionaire and his entourage and I gave him a tour like I would give it to you like we were in my bathroom and I opened I had drawers that warmed my towels I already know all about it I already know all about it and I was like touch it I was zooming in when I saw that I'm like oh my god she's so good at the details I love details is this the one with the mirrors and the vanity that opened up the light and the thing oh yeah they opened that one I forgot about that I've even seen this So go ahead.

1:00:39But like I would stay up at night and think when I was designing it, I was like, oh, wait, the door to the shower has to open to the left because the door to the warming drawer opens this. Like all where the dumb waiter was, like all these things. And then, of course, I had my ring for champagne in my closet, which rang in the kitchen. But the design flaw was I don't know who was bringing me the champagne in the kitchen. I don't. Well, I feel like you need to hire like a Jeeves. Yeah, probably. We've talked about that. We have. You need a Jeeves. Like, you know how Patricia had Michael? Is that an Ask Jeeves reference?

1:01:09Like the old search? Boy, that's... Yeah, wow. We're dating ourselves here. Like, do you still have AOL? Yeah. By the way, you just got off of AOL like six months ago. No, I still use it. I still use it. Seriously, the last person using AOL. But anyway, so I gave him this like amazing tour and I really didn't think anything of it. And the next day he made us an offer. We countered once, made a deal, third highest sale in Orange County history, and we had to be out in three weeks. I have a question. this is a little another tangent question when you're in orange county and i've watched the show forever and you sell your house and you've worked so hard on every detail and it's such an incredible house and you like have to tell your friends in orange county this are they like excited for you or is there like there's come on there's got to be weird energy with this they've got to be like it was on the show i mean there was definitely weird energy surrounding it so there's like because I think that what I see as a viewer is like you guys have gone to the moon and then there's maybe people that are like want to go to the moon or pretending they're on the moon and they aren't but you guys like are on the moon so there's like a jealousy situation going on right but that isn't that so sad I mean yeah we with with my friends that I know are my real friends on and off the show, they're happy for me.

1:02:30It's incredible. And I am so happy for them. Like I want everyone to be successful, you know, and I would hope that someone would look at that and be like, because this is how I look at people that I aspire to be. I think, wow, if they can do that, I can do that too. I might have a different road, but I can do it too. Yeah, but for those of you who live in Schattenfreude, our next project we lost six million on you know what though but here's again as a viewer when when you guys came out and said that i like that you guys are showing that because it shows like you that life is about ebbing and flowing and there's bumps and there's this and this is reality and you guys had a major accomplishment in orange county like to be the third that you said the third highest sale that's insane and then you show this part yep i like it i it shows like thank you It shows ebbs and flows.

1:03:27We've done, I mean, honestly, out of all the homes that we've built, renovated, bought and sold, we are very net positive. But there were, you know, one or two clunkers. You can't win them all. Two out of eight. I think there's like such a message in there. I'm going to just guess, though, if I'm putting money down, that the next one's going to be like, there's going to be something crazy in the next one. No, you know, it's funny. We are now living. So we bought this penthouse a couple of years before. Did you like that after living in houses? I was actually curious about that. And you never want to see a blade of grass again.

1:04:00Why? Because I've had grass. It's lovely. Someone else can have it now. A lot to maintain. It's a lot to maintain. Yeah, it's a lot of work. And as much as I loved that last home, it was 22 ,000 square feet. And I was the manager of that hotel. That's a big, yeah, that's a big property. And it was a lot. And I don't want to sound ungrateful. The house was gorgeous. We had a wonderful time there. So much work. And made so many memories. but like and I was always really careful with Terry because he would be at work all day and I would be doing my thing whatever with the kids but when he came home I made sure there was no staff there Yes, because it almost makes it seamless and relaxing for him to get off work.

1:04:37So it was private, but I was with people all day long. So I really never felt alone. That is so interesting. So it felt like you were working at a hotel as managing. I was on all. I just felt on all day. Not every day, but most days. And I, we work, the people that work with us are fabulous and I love them. And they've worked with us for 10 years, 15 years. But it's your home. But still, sometimes you want to be grumpy and you want to go downstairs, you know, not pulled together or whatever it is, you know. And so that was a little bit difficult. Also, people are bringing all their different energies and their stuff into your house without them even knowing it.

1:05:12She tried to have even just, and this is not the same example, but she tried to have her sister stay with us this time in the hotel. I'm like, listen, no. And I'm like, because I need to be sometimes, you don't want to - You said you want to walk around with your balls out. I want to be walking around. I don't want to be wondering, you know, what they're going to see me in. No, it's - What kind of condition. But you know what? That's totally true. But this penthouse thing, all right, so - Yeah, tell us about the penthouse. Okay, so this is what happened. so we it was sort of a lark we were like oh we're gonna find a little pied-a-terre in la it'll be our place for someday we'll stay there now and then it'll be for someday so we started looking around i went to every building in los angeles and i like real estate and i wanted to see all the buildings and we hadn't lived here in a really long time so we saw every building and then we found this apartment and it was like you know the gates opened and the yeah the angels were singing it was so beautiful you gotta see it perfect but it's only a two-bedroom apartment it's big but it's only two bedrooms and so and the view is just spectacular it's like from the hollywood sign all the way to the full ocean and it's amazing and we're high and it's like being in new york but on the west coast and it's so cool and there's 10 people downstairs that can help you at any time is it in century city okay that place is that's coming up over there it's We were just looking at office space over there.

1:06:25Yeah, it's so, so great. So we bought this place, and 10 days into escrow of buying it, that's when Josh Altman started blowing up my phone for the house. Now, would we have bought that penthouse if we knew we were selling the house? Probably not. No. So now we have this two-bedroom, and we have four kids. Three are in college. One's in high school. So now what we're doing is so stupid. We rented another apartment in the building, and we go up and down on the elevator. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I have 100 questions. Okay, so you stay in the main one. You know, I would love to tell you that we live upstairs and they live downstairs, but I have a 14-year-old.

1:06:59So we actually sleep in the rental downstairs and three of the kids have bedrooms down there. And the dogs live in that apartment with us. In the rental. And then I don't even have clothes down there. Who's in the penthouse with the two bedrooms? So our oldest son lives in L.A. because he goes to school here. So he has the second bedroom upstairs because he's really not there. so I could still use it as a guest room if I need to. And then our bedroom, no one's sleeping there, but it's my closet and my bathroom. I don't even shower downstairs. So you guys are going up and down? Yes. There's no way the building can connect them.

1:07:36They're not right on top of each other? No, but funny that you ask that. I'm trying to buy the apartment underneath us. So you would just knock it and just do a stair situation? I would probably put just a spiral stair, but honestly, it's like having a private elevator because we're at the top of our stack. So you can't, the other couple of floors above us go to the other elevator stack, if that makes sense. So in our elevator, we're the top floor. Okay. Okay. So no one can, and the elevator doors open into your apartment. And you don't miss having a home. You like, like, this is like the chapter that you want to do now.

1:08:10So for the first three months, I so missed the old house. He did. Because, you know, you're saying you didn't want relatives in there so you can walk around and do your thing. I remember my kids had 15 friends over. I didn't notice. Couldn't hear them. The house was so big. So you could, it was so giant. But then did she explain the behind the scenes that the Wizard of Oz was making it all? I knew about it. Like perfect. I knew about it. You come home, there's no one there. She's been with people all day long. She wants to blow her head off because there's been a million different people and energies and all these people.

1:08:41Totally. So I knew about it. I can see why she likes the penthouse. I mean, I stopped singing because of that house. Because there was no. our piano was like in the middle of the entryway. It was like you know, there was just always people. And then you started to like the penthouse? Now I'm obsessed. You know, you pull up it's one of the nicest buildings in LA. You know this building, the white one. I know what you're talking about. And there's doormen, there's like 10 people. And everyone's so nice. And there's amenities. And you don't have to worry about safety? And there's a party room downstairs and there's a screening room and there's a dog run and there's a gorgeous pool and we have a cabana at the pool.

1:09:16It's like living in a hotel, but you have your own space. The only problem for me, honestly, was that we bought the apartment furnished. And because we were a little bit transient after we sold the house, we were in some rentals in Orange County. And then we were doing that house that failed, that we decided not to build. And I hated the fact that I felt like nothing was mine. So I finally just, I redesigned the great room in this apartment. And it took a year to do it. and I just finished it and he's going crazy because she won't let me go in there I won't let him sit in it you might as well put plastic on the couch I totally get that I literally understand that from my bones I wouldn't let him go in my office until it was all done I know I still it's done I won't let him go Lauren why won't you let him go in it when it's done because I'm telling you because I'm dirty or something no no listen in the Crystal Cove house that big house that we sold everyone was allowed everywhere there was no precious rooms it was 22 ,000 feet We used every square inch of that house, dogs everywhere, kids everywhere.

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1:17:32You're going to want two. I have them in every handbag that I have. That's shopskneyconfidential.com. You should put up ropes around it and not let anyone in but you. It's funny. This reminds me a little. My mother used to do stuff like this. There was like one area in the house that we were not allowed to go in as children. I know, but I've never been like this ever. Ours was next to the dining room. I love that for you. I think that you should have that. It's so beautiful. Don't you like unveiling it though? I like to be like, look what I did. Oh, I let people see it. They just can't sit. We only got to go in during Christmas.

1:18:06That was like Christmas was celebrated. I do hate when people sit on my white couch at my house. Lauren had the bright idea with this, when we're moving, but this one we were in to have three children under five and then get all like white furniture. Yes, good plan. Oh, yeah. You know what? It hasn't been that bad, Michael. It hasn't been that bad. It hasn't been that good. I don't know. For some reason, I didn't care before, even though that house was like very expensive and all the things. Everyone touched. It was fine. And I know this will be fine, too. I just I'm enjoying looking at it so much.

1:18:36I don't want anything touched on Housewives. I feel like you're the voice of reason and the logic. Does everyone tell you that? Yes, because it's like so chaotic. And then you have this person that's like sometimes you'll like repeat back to them what they said and they like realize the absurdity. Sometimes, sometimes. Well, the audience does. Yeah. The audience realizes the absurdity. It's so absurd. The show needs your point of view. What are we going to do without you? What am I leaving? I don't know. Are you? I don't think so. For some reason, I thought you said you were leaving. Nope. Thank God.

1:19:14Oh, I was going to ask you about that. I mean, unless there's something I don't know. I thought maybe you were going to move to Beverly Hills on the show. You know what? Here's the thing. You know, people don't really understand distances. It's like, you know some of the girls live as far as coda de casa right on our show which is really far is that south you guys don't live next door to each other no it takes just as long to drive from there to newport beach as it does from century city to newport how many of the real housewives of beverly hills live in beverly hills none that's a riddle maybe no one i don't know what lives in bel-air bel-air none of them live in beverly hills none okay some live in pasadena I thought I saw somewhere.

1:19:54It was a fake. People try to start rumors. No, that you said that you were leaving. No. Thank God. And I started this show when my youngest child was nine months old. And he's turning 15 in December. So these are my girls. This is my family. You know what I mean? Yeah, when they asked me, I'm a lie detector. Of course, I had to tell the truth. What did they ask you? They asked me if you'd rather be a Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And I said yes. and I go, it's a shorter commute. And you know, I'm joking, sort of. But look, it worries me sometimes that there's pieces of my life that you don't get to see because I am not currently living in Orange County.

1:20:34I mean, will we end up getting a, like a beach house down there sometime or whatever? I don't know. You never know. We tried to buy seven properties there. Yeah, we did a couple years ago. I also feel like you're one of the only husbands that has kind of made it through unscathed. Meaning like you, you're - He's scathed once. I've been scathed a few times. No, but I mean, like some of these guys really go on there and it doesn't end up well for them. You know, I've learned to hold my tongue a little bit, but even still, I still get, you know, when I walk on, I go, oh, what are they going to find out about me now that I don't know about?

1:21:04Yeah, but you are a pro, I think, also because of all the different things you do. You're a pro on TV, whereas a lot of the husbands maybe don't understand that. You know the world of entertainment. Yes. I'm so happy that you're not going anywhere because real housewives, you do bring the glamour. Like me and my girlfriend, she was just in here, the CEO of Skinny Confidential. She like loves you because there's there's there is this glamour and glitz that like everyone wants to look at and absorb that you bring to Orange County. And without that, it would not be the same. Well, I appreciate that.

1:21:39And the logic. One of the other housewives mentioned that maybe she doesn't fit in because she's a little more liberal than what you typically see conservative-wise. Oh, I just saw that. Yeah. And by the way, that's exactly who you want on the show. The thing is, you don't want a show that's like six cookie cutter of the same opinion, the same looks, the same everything. That's so boring. The whole point is it's intersections of people that live in an area and who they are. And and by the way, the bottom line with our show is it is about conflict and resolution between us, our relationships, our friendships.

1:22:15And you want differing opinions. I also think to that person's situation, which she said, I think I'm not watching the show for anyone's political opinion. And to be honest, I don't really care about anyone's political opinion, left, right, whatever. You're watching it for me. like I'm watching it to like be entertained and check out. So I don't think that matters what anyone's political opinion is. It doesn't. But you know, everyone's trying to get clickbait for their show. A lot of that's kind of going down. People have really, I think, got fatigued with that. With like the political stuff 24-7.

1:22:52It's always like, we're talking about this. I don't want to pull the political thread through and what we're talking about with plastic surgery and GOP-1s. But somehow people do, right? That's true. But this is escapism. It's exactly what it's for. Yeah. It's why it's so popular. You want to be able to turn on the TV and half the audience is like, oh, I want to be her. And half the audience is like, whoo, glad I'm not her. Who are, who is both of your favorite housewives personally on any franchise? Like, who do you guys like? I mean, we just had dinner with Crystal Minkoff and Rob Minkoff. Yes.

1:23:22Really good friend. But I'll be honest with you. Cynthia Bailey, I love. Crystal's been on here. We like her. So. Cercel's a good friend. So I kind of protect myself. I don't, I don't watch the show. So I don't know what conflicts they're having during the season. so when I appear on the show to me they might all be fighting and liking or not liking each other that's smart so I go I go hey I actually like all the Orange County housewives how are you guys both so logical in such a chaotic atmosphere well listen there's definitely times you know during filming that it I am not I feel like you're pretty you're you do there's a stoicism like a calmness about you where they're all spinning and you're able to like be logical and not emotional i i mean mostly yeah but there was you know i guess i was sort of calm then too but you know i would tell you like season 17 maybe where that was the season everyone was kind of jumping on top of me season remind me of what happened it was like you know everyone was it was the year we sold our house it was that year okay and everyone was kind of like jumping all on top of me and not being nice and and all those things and even though in person i was really calm because it was just all i was trying to figure it out and it was all so weird to me but at home i mean i was devastated it was so hard yeah meaning you were devastated with how they were treating yes so it so when you get off work and you come home, it still comes through to the house.

1:24:54Of course, because you, you cannot sit at a dinner with a bunch of women who are, you know, lambasting you for things you didn't do or twisting things you've said. And, and I know a lot of us go through this, not just me, but in that particular season, you know, this was me and, and it was just so devastating. Now the flip side of it is I do always say, and I am very cognizant of the fact that at the end of the day, I get to go home. And that was never going home to my big fancy house or this or that. It's I get to go home to my husband. I get to go home to my children and to this life. So it doesn't really matter what they are saying about our marriage, our money, my family, whatever it is.

1:25:39It sucks and it hurts. But when you go home, you go, oh, yeah, I'm home. Yeah. But one of the things that makes you such a great housewife is the authenticity of it she's sensitive she says what she means and she's kind and you know but i get my feelings she gets her feelings hurt and that's one of the reasons they go they know that they're going to get a reaction out of heather but you know why also they go they go for the jugular you guys have been so great and done so well as you guys from what i can see we meet a lot of people have a rock solid relationship but i think a lot of people that go on these shows they go in with the relationship maybe not being and We've had people come on and admit to that, not being so solid.

1:26:17And then they get thrown into that environment with the world judging. And I imagine that is very hard to manage. I think it polarizes whatever is currently going on in your relationship. Having said that, you go through things. I mean, we had one really bad year on the show where off camera, we were just not getting along and really fighting. And it was because of the stress of the show. And we had to have a sit down, come to Jesus moment and say, look, we either have to figure this out. or we're getting off the show. I think though, in every marriage that's been 20, 27 years, there's rocky points and I think people can relate to that.

1:26:54I mean, it's not, if you're going to be married for 27 years, you have to expect some challenging times. Right. I think the audience, as a viewer, again, I like seeing that authenticity and then you guys always, to me, come out of it. No, but I guess what I'm saying is like we've had people on these kind of shows come on and they've said, hey, like the marriage was bad and we thought doing the show would repair it. It's like having a baby. And they're like, we'll do the thing and that'll make everything okay. And then it just makes everything way worse. Yeah, definitely. I would love to round out and end the show with you guys telling us why you think and what the secrets are of being in a partnership like you have for 27 years.

1:27:34I think there's a lot of takeaways for our audience with that. Well, first of all, we met on a blind date and in December, it will be 29 years from our blind date. 29. You didn't even know that. I know the anniversaries. 29 carat ring. She still wants a gift. Not 29. For the anniversary of our first date. Okay. I find that anniversary to be more important than the wedding date. Okay. So my first date was when we were 12. So what do I get? Yeah. Wow. You've been together a long time. We've not been together. Not since we were 12. But I know. But since we were 20. So almost 20 years. Yeah. So what do I get?

1:28:05Because the moment you're together, to me, that's what changed the trajectory of your relationship. So even though like on our wedding anniversary, we go to dinner, we say something nice, whatever. We don't usually do. We usually take a trip. Yeah. For our wedding anniversary. But like the blind date anniversary is like, that was the moment. Did you hear that? That's the moment. So what are the secrets? Like what if we hadn't gotten married for 15 years? So we've been together five years? Yeah, I agree with her. What is the... But we didn't meet on a blind date. No, but we met when I was 12. So start adding it up.

1:28:38At least start from 20. Yeah, at least. At least. I can do from, because there was some rocky patches there between 12 and 20. Yeah. I say, Yeah, puberty. And let's say 20. Yeah. So what do you think makes your partnership so rock solid? I think that for me, I mean, first of all, we're best friends. Yeah. We really are. You could tell you like each other. Yeah. We love each other. I mean, we like each other. We love each other. We really respect each other. Uh-huh. And look, we've, 29 years, good days, bad days, good years, bad years that is just the truth we had it i don't want to get too into it but we had a thing a few weeks ago where we got into an argument and it went really south and we were very polite to each other for two weeks and then we had this big conversation and but coming on the other side of it i said to him i think last night i was like that sucked so badly because when i'm upset or I'm happy or whatever.

1:29:35I want to call you, but I'm mad at you. But as much as that sucked, when you come out the other side of something like that, you're so much closer and you go to like the next level. And sometimes that just needs to happen. And maybe there's things that, you know, are bugging you or whatever, but you don't bring them up because it's not really worth it. And then sometimes, you know, you clash and it all comes out and that happens. And it's how you get through it. It's how you learn how to fight with each other, how you make up and how you really then need to let it go. It's a big accomplishment to be together as long as you guys have been.

1:30:09It's not, it's very rare. I, I've noticed a lot of celebrities are divorcing right at this stage. Yes. Like at the stage that you guys are at Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman. Oh, that's an interesting, Lori Loughlin and Mossimo. I didn't know that. Hugh Jackman. Almost exactly at this point. Yeah. I think there's that seven year thing. There's certain inflection points. This is an inflection point. I think. Do you think it's, careful. Maybe this is a question for, I was thinking about some of those. Do you think it's when the kids start to kind of like leave and they become that's a big inflection point for sure.

1:30:40That's a big deal. You're left with yourselves. Right. We've always been really good at dating each other and prioritizing our marriage. And I mean, look, I love our kids. We have great kids, but you know, he jokes like he's right. We have three gone one in high school. He's like, the other one could go like we're ready to be empty nesters go go go but he's saying true but but i mean it's not that i want to kick him out but it's like we are now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel this is our fourth time going through high school and we're we're ready so my advice my thing is that you have to it's all about your expectations right you should expect to have challenges and then when they happen expect if you try that this too shall pass you know i love that phrase even with the good stuff or the best stuff this too shall pass don't expect it to stay the same and you have to learn how to evolve through it and you know a lot of it's chemistry we have very good chemistry i know you guys obviously do too but like when we get into a thing i i literally forget about it the next day i can't even remember what it was about and i'm stewing and she's stewing and so the thing that bothers me most about fighting is I know she has her process that's going to go two weeks.

1:31:56I'm going, oh, I'm screwed for the next two weeks. Yeah, that's you. It's like, okay, I can move on in 20 minutes. I'm like, this is going to be a four-hour morning of this, but I'm just, I'm not even really upset. All you guys both have to do is say, yes, dear. It's that easy. Oh, really? No. She asked me the other day, she goes, why can't you just be, you're so stubborn. It'd be easier if you just said yes, dear. How long do you want to fight for? I'm like, forever. I don't want to fight, but I'm too stubborn. until like I you're digging in I'm digging in I know it's at my detriment I'm like a masochist or something I know it's not smart but you gotta choose those battles yeah I do but I do let things I won't dig in give them that advice and also I think our dynamic is I let things go like immediately yeah once it's done I think it's a Mars Venus thing honestly and she hangs she hangs I'm not letting stuff I hang you have to not let stuff go because then you have to create a boundary it's like a dog you have to like you have to reprimand them or they keep doing it they're gonna be like yeah the text threads are ours too it's like a machine gun of text the other day i used chat gpt i was like hey chat this is what my husband did today he pissed me off so bad how would you respond to really nail the point across chat gpt worked on a fucking response for me i sent that response like okay got it sorry can we move we did that once as a joke remember yes yeah that's so funny but sometimes we do fight sometimes sometimes you know the tone is not good.

1:33:23So if you separate and start texting, it can be better because it takes some of the tone out of it. Oh no, she's got a good tone in her text. Yeah, sometimes you can infer tone in text. Through the text. Yeah, the, okay, fine. My least favorite word is sure. I also have another hot tip. If he annoys me so bad, I've blocked him. Wow. I'm a savage. You blocked him on Instagram? No, I blocked him on text. No, her text, she'll block my phone. You can do that? Yeah, you can block him. So I can't even get a hold of her. It just goes, like the text goes green, the message won't go through. I will go, I'm like a firefighter.

1:33:58By the way, he would never know, be able to figure it out. Oh, he couldn't figure it out. No. If I did that, that would light you up. Oh, that would not be good. If I blocked you, you would lose your shit. That's why, you know, every once in a while, they're like, everyone on Housewives, they say their husbands are cheating on them. We all get that. So they were saying about him once, and I'm like, do you know my husband, if he were having an affair, I would have to book the hotel. I would have to make sure his sleep mask was there. and a fan was in the room and there were blackout shades, I'd have to call and make sure he has room and his surgery's good.

1:34:28It's true. It would never happen. I walk around life like this. He has a fan in his room at night? Yes. By the way, so do you. We like it snowing in the room. Okay. Cold. Fans and snowing and an electric blanket. Oh, electric blanket. Yes, only on my side. Cold and hot. Why don't you get an eight sleep? A what? An eight sleep. They would give you guys one of those. What's that? Oh my God, it's the best thing. It's a mattress cover and it puts water through and you don't feel the water. But it adjusts cold and hot So in the night It makes it really cold And in the morning It wakes you up with warm And you can set it to warm The whole night if you want So you don't even need An electric It puts you It cools your body temperature We also like the moving air And the white noise Yes They like the movement I totally get what you're saying They like the movement Of the fan Yeah And the sound of the fan Yeah But innate sleep is good too I like it because you can Program different sides For what you If he likes this That's what we do too So I've got my heating blanket On high and I have it off and I have a leg over and then I go oh that's a little too warm and I go like this no but you know I think I see a lot of our friends that are our age now that are still single and they like nitpick at the littlest things sometimes in a relationship and it's like one little thing goes wrong it's like not out to the next I'm like it's not always you know there's problems with every other like my philosophy is like there's grass isn't almost greener you're gonna have to deal with another round of issues with another person and we put in so much time let's just work through it.

1:35:54But that's very good advice. You don't sweat the small stuff and it's easier said than done. Yeah. But just when they do that thing just go, you know, be the hot for teacher video. You probably don't know what that from Van Halen when a kid starts the video like this. Just do that and let it go. And because it's not important anyway. Well, between the two of you two it's never boring. I can tell you that after interviewing you. It's never boring. That's how you keep it spicy. Where can everyone find everything you're working on? Your skincare line. Tell us about your new YouTube show, your books, your podcast, everything.

1:36:27Yes. So our podcast is called Between Us. It's on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts. Then our YouTube show is going to be exclusively on my channel. So if you just go to Heather Dubrow, you subscribe, please. And it's coming. I don't know what the drop date is, but it's coming out in a few weeks, the first episode. And it's really fun. What's it called? Oh, and it's called Dr. Mrs. Guinea Pig. Cute. Yeah. And you guys are funny together on TikTok and Instagram. Our kids don't think so. Oh, we're so cringy to them. And you're going to do all the, like, what are the things you're going to do outside?

1:37:00Okay, so you're going to try NAD. Creatine. Okay. Weighted vests, NAD, peptides. Bad breath treatments. Bad breath treatments. Sunscreen. Yeah, we're going to do crash diets. Okay. That's going to be hard. Are you going to do the NAD IV? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Why? because it makes you feel like you're going to shit your pants? No, it does. I keep telling you it doesn't feel like that. I need that. That's fine. But you know. Ooh, I don't know. Michael said it like, what does it do? No, it just feels like someone, well, here's the thing, it's weird. It feels like they're squeezing your stomach, but I've had different reactions.

1:37:28One time I felt like that, one day I got really congested in my face. Yeah, it's a histamine response. I have a friend that's got a jaw thing with it too. Yeah. I try to do it fast though. I'm going to let you guys be the guinea pig and then I'll just do whatever you guys tell me to do. Because it doesn't feel well. It's like our pain for your pleasure. We're going to try it out so you will tell you. But we're subjecting it to real clinical science. I feel like that's another Netflix series or something. Could be. Oh, and resistant carbs. Oh, we did resistant. You heard about this? What's that?

1:37:57So you ever heard about resistant? So carbohydrates break down into sugars. I mean, sugar is bad, right? So there's this theory called resistant carbs that if you take a carbohydrate like bread and you heat it to make it and then you cool it down it changes the molecular structure of it so it has less carbs so so it's harder to digest but it tastes the same way when you reheat it and it has a lower glycemic index there's less glucose and the calories are less work that's what they say we're testing that yeah we did test it by the way yeah but you have to wait you have to subscribe to dr mrs guinea pig on heather deborough youtube channel we're gonna tell you how to eat your carbs and manipulate your carbs so they taste the same because here's the thing we go out to dinner with people we get dms all the time like what are you doing for this how do you do that i get like you can't answer everyone but then we started talking about it because obviously we talk amongst ourselves what do we want to do to stay young healthy longevity all the things so now we're just testing them all and showing you i mean after four children i want to look like this so i will definitely be watching we're gonna go to four oh i don't know that you Well, I have three.

1:39:06She has four. I'm saying after four children, if she looks like this, she's doing something right. But I'm hearing that we could go to four then. It sounds like you had the opportunity to have your tubes tied properly. You didn't do it. You were asked, weren't you? Then you can avoid the middle. At the pregnancy section, I had vaginal births. Oh. I don't have ozempic vulva. Not yet. At this moment. There's plenty of time. There's still time. Thank you guys so much for coming on the show. Come back anytime you want.