In short
Heather Graham discusses Hollywood’s “hidden truths,” sexism and typecasting, owning your narrative, and reclaiming personal power through spirituality and somatic healing. She also shares career milestones, her shift toward writing/directing/producing, and personal wellness routines.
Guest backgrounds
Heather Graham is an actress, writer, and director known for Drugstore Cowboy (Independent Spirit Award nomination), Boogie Nights, Austin Powers, The Spy Who Shagged Me, and The Hangover. She grew up in a conservative religious family, moved from Virginia to California at age nine, and began acting in school plays before landing her first major break at 17 on the 20th Century Fox lot.
Key claims
Hollywood is male-driven and women are judged for roles written/directed by men; accepting nude/sexual roles can be tied to getting work. “Empowered” means loving yourself, setting boundaries, and not letting others take your self-worth. Trauma can be stored in the body; talk therapy may not fully address it for everyone.
Notable examples
She describes being cast as a “sexy” persona despite feeling more like Bridget Jones; she cites Al-Anon (codependency/detaching with love), TM, yoga, and cranial sacral therapy (“unwinding” fascia trauma). She mentions being in the Academy and donating Boogie Nights roller skates to the Academy Museum.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOHeather's Impact on Love Stories
0:45 to 2:30
Discussion about how Heather Graham influenced the hosts' relationship.
“Because you guys are the most beautiful couple.”
Heather's Childhood and Early Influences
2:30 to 5:10
Heather shares her childhood experiences and family dynamics.
“So I would like to go back and hear about your childhood pre all of this.”
Navigating Early Fame
5:10 to 7:40
Heather discusses her early career and breakthrough roles.
“And you know, when you drive onto a lot and you're just, no one in my family was in the business.”
Balancing Acting and Personal Identity
7:40 to 10:10
Exploration of how Heather balanced her public persona with her private self.
“There is an actress that just wrote a book about this.”
Sexuality and Female Representation in Hollywood
10:10 to 13:10
Heather talks about the portrayal of women and sexuality in film.
“I feel it's a little more celebrated now, at least.”
Cultural Shifts in Media Consumption
13:10 to 14:01
Discussion about how media consumption has changed over time.
“If you have to do a sex scene or a nude scene.”
Nerve-Wracking Nude Scenes
14:01 to 14:36
Learn how actors prepare for and cope with the pressure of nude scenes.
“I know, I'm doing a photo shoot with Us Weekly on Friday and I'm gonna wear roller skates.”
Memorable Experiences with Co-Stars
14:37 to 16:53
Discover anecdotes about working with co-stars and handling on-set situations.
“It's slightly terrifying because, you know, I mean, as a woman, like you're looking at your body like, oh, my God, there's flaws.”
Impact of Disturbing Roles
16:54 to 17:29
Explore the psychological effects of playing intense roles in film and TV.
“You know, it is disturbing, but like read the news.”
The Importance of Female Empowerment
17:30 to 19:35
Understand how personal empowerment and female solidarity shape identity.
“I feel like that's going to be a Netflix show.”
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Healing Techniques and Their Benefits
19:36 to 21:38
Learn about various healing practices like TM and cranial sacral therapy.
“That's interesting that you go to Al-Anon.”
Understanding Cranial Sacral Therapy
28:15 to 29:28
Discover the benefits and insights of cranial sacral therapy for trauma.
“And then what happened is she started taking all the sessions.”
Healing Trauma Through Self-Care
29:29 to 31:34
Explore how self-care practices can help in trauma healing.
“They're understanding that it's stored in the body.”
Healthy Living and Beauty Routines
31:35 to 32:48
Learn about daily habits that contribute to overall well-being and beauty.
“well, I am still, but I did the 12 steps and that allowed me to like uncover like past trauma and be there and like in a loving way to like heal that basically.”
Heather Graham's Creative Journey
32:49 to 34:45
Hear about Heather's experiences in acting and her creative aspirations.
“At this point in your career, what is making you say yes?”
The Influence of Female Protagonists
34:46 to 36:54
Discuss the importance of female leads in storytelling and the film industry.
“with wow this is like a hard question or maybe like your top three you've worked with so many I mean my mind is a boy ever I feel so grateful to work with so many people she's like Johnny Depp, Adam Sandler, Mike Myers.”
The Need for Change in the Film Industry
36:55 to 39:44
Examine the pay disparity and representation of women in Hollywood.
“If the person's open, it's easier to interview.”
Book Recommendations for Empowerment
39:45 to 41:10
Get inspired by a book that empowers women to reclaim their identity.
“Well, I am writing a script right now, which I haven't finished, but it's about this woman that goes to like a Jeffrey Epstein Island and kills everyone.”
Reflections on Life Choices and Parenthood
47:10 to 49:05
Explore thoughts on personal growth, independence, and societal expectations around parenthood.
“Well, I think I have a lot of similarities.”
Navigating Relationships and Societal Norms
49:06 to 50:36
Discuss the dynamics of modern relationships and societal pressures regarding family life.
“followed the traditional script the marriage the kids the settling down in a conventional way Are you, do you feel like that's natural or do you feel like you have to defend it?”
Creative Processes and Writing Challenges
50:37 to 54:00
Gain insights into the creative process and the challenges of writing.
“Listen, like I, no, I feel, I talk about this a lot.”
Upcoming Projects and Movie Insights
54:01 to 56:03
Get a sneak peek into Heather Graham's upcoming movies and projects.
“Why are you looking at me like I would know?”
Upcoming Projects and Guest Interaction
56:03 to 56:39
Heather discusses her upcoming movies while engaging with the hosts.
“I have a bunch of stuff that I'm working on in my development stuff.”
Memories and Movie Experiences
56:40 to 57:15
Heather shares humorous memories related to her movie experiences.
“You're like, had a fat bastard in the background?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Michael Bosstick:Welcome to The Bosticks, starring Lauren Bosstick and Michael Bosstick. Together, they are The Bosticks. Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Bosticks. Today, we sit down with Heather Graham, who's a multi-hyphenate actress, writer, and director who first broke out in Drugstore Cowboy, earning an Independent Spirit Award nomination before delivering iconic performances in Boogie Nights, Austin Powers, The Spy Who Shagged Me, and The Hangover. And Lauren and I really enjoy meeting Heather. We grew up watching her. We grew up being a fan of many of her movies. And we talk about a lot in this episode.
0:33Michael Bosstick:We talk about navigating Hollywood, owning your narrative, building a life on your own terms, and how you can reclaim your power and live a life that works for you. With that, Heather Graham, welcome to The Boss Sticks. Okay. So Heather, you kind of got my husband and I together. Oh my God. Okay. Because you guys are the most beautiful couple. You guys are both the most gorgeous looking people together. I mean, wow. If we had told our 12-year-old self that Heather Graham was going to say that about us, we would have died. Because, okay, so we met when we were kids. The audience gets really annoyed at this story at this point.
1:05Michael Bosstick:Yeah, sorry guys, but we have to tell the story. We watched, and I think we went to the movies and we watched Austin Powers. No way. When you were 12? 20 times. 20 times? The reason I know this is because I made a scrapbook of all our movie tickets and one whole page is your movie. So what we would do is we would... Together you went 20 times? We would sneak in to hook up. so he was like finger when you were 12 oh my god you guys really get into it wait wait how old were you so we were 12 and he was doing that when you were oh god i hope your dad's not listening to this turn it off brad actually he her dad we did not been together that long though we we got back together way later but we started in austin powers oh my god yeah are you kidding and that was at the time like that was like the that was like one of the biggest movies of the year and of the time it was cool yeah it was yeah i used to call him mini me okay well here's the thing really short i had not fully hit puberty yet i was i was 12 i was 12 year old boy girls develop faster wait this is so romantic can i do you have i want to see pictures of you guys at 12 you got a show picture at the movie probably watching your movie welcome to the show i'm glad i inspired the finger banging yeah i mean listen michael had one one eye on the screen and one eye on me.
2:25I'm joking. It was not a hard movie to look at, Heather. I'm going to be honest. No, no, no, no. Okay. So I would like to go back and hear about your childhood pre all of this. What were you like when you were a little girl? Well, I grew up, I had a conservative religious family, especially my father. I mean, I was very into like playing dress ups and pretending to be characters and making up stories. I love movies. And then when we moved when I was nine from we lived outside of Washington, D.C. in Virginia and then we moved to California. I became kind of shy because it was like around puberty ish time.
2:58I was nine starting to go through puberty. And then I became very shy and awkward and nerdy. And I used to act in school plays. And that was my way to try to be cool, basically. So what did your parents do to to get you more in the spotlight and get you out there? Was there something that they did? Well, they were very different. My father was extremely religious. He was pretty much like, if you have premarital sex, you're going straight to hell. My mother was like kind of a bit of a, I think she felt she didn't really get to live out her artistic dreams. So she was like, you should just be an artist.
3:30And she actually said to me, like, don't get married and have kids. She told you that? Yeah, she was like, pursue your dreams as an artist. I like the honesty. Listen, kids aren't for everyone. I don't understand. It's not like a one size fits all. So I understand that. Yeah. It's kind of interesting when your mom tells you that, though. You're like, OK, so you're not really happy. know did you feel like that I mean that's my projection I don't know if that's true but yes that didn't seem like the happiest relationship to me so did that help get you out of your shyness or no I still well when I was in high school I was very nerdy I had to wear neck gear you know for a certain point but anyway then I played in damn Yankees and I played like a the devil's whore Oh, no, I played.
4:14Taylor's Googling. What did your highly religious father think of this? Oh, he was like, what? You know, like, but it was like the school play, you know, you know, whatever. It's about baseball and someone's selling their soul to the devil to become like a good baseball player, you know. So when you played that, was that like a breakthrough for you? It made me feel like more confident because at school I was kind of awkward. I had weird haircut. I had basically like a mullet, you know, where it's like kind of like feathered. But then like pieces would curl around at the bottom. You had the last laugh.
4:41I look like a Mormon in my pictures people say like I dressed like I was like an older woman that was very conservative I think that your high school or your junior high is probably like oh When they see you now, but then I got a job and a movie license to drive and a style Like like a movie stylist helped me, you know find some clothes for the movie So then I kind of got to keep some of them and then I felt cool. Was that your first big break? It was yeah, and what was that like? It was amazing. I was 17. I was driving onto the 20th Century Fox lot. And you know, when you drive onto a lot and you're just, no one in my family was in the business.
5:16It's just amazing that they just let you through the gate and you just drive onto like 20th Century Fox lot. It was, it was incredible.
5:21Michael Bosstick:And how did they find you to begin with? Were you auditioning? I auditioned. Yeah. Yeah. I used to drive and go on all my auditions. After you have your big break, what is the momentum like for you? Was it quick? Was it a slow burn? What was it like? Well, I feel like it's a lot of like hills and valleys. Like you have a moment where you're like, oh, my God, this is amazing. And now, you know, you're getting offered things or it's easier. And then suddenly like nothing happens. And then suddenly something else happens. And then you get more opportunities. And then it's low. It goes in waves, probably.
5:50So what was the next thing that you did after your first big break? Well, after License to Drive, I did Drugstore Cowboy, which was also like a really cool movie that got a lot of attention. and then yeah and then I kind of I worked but it wasn't as kind of successful I guess or seen until I started to do like swingers and boogie nights and like Austin Powers and that then there was that moment what happens when you do swingers and boogie nights what is the after effect of those movies I bought a house are you out partying are you out clubbing are you at home well I was always like a very nerdy responsible kid who was just like I need to work you know I mean I did you know, drink a little bit.
6:30I was never doing a lot of drugs. I mean, I occasionally like smoke pot or whatever, but I had a moment in my early thirties where I was like, I was never wild, you know, like maybe I should try to be, cause at that time people were going to raves. I was like, I should try to take ecstasy and go to a rave, but I'm just not a party girl. You were at home. I was like, hang out with friends and I just wanted to work really. I'm like a little worker, worker bee.
6:53Michael Bosstick:After you do boogie nights and you say you're not a party girl, are people inviting you and trying to get you to party a lot more, I imagine. So yeah, I remember actually Drew Barrymore used to have amazing parties at her house and saying that I'm not a party girl. I did sometimes go to parties, you know, but I wasn't like going out every night or it would be like a special, like fun thing. And then there was a time where I tried out to go to clubs more, but I just, I'm not. Well, I guess what I'm asking is do when, after doing the role, do people perceive you as like a wild party? I think they do.
7:20Michael Bosstick:Yeah. I don't think people truly know how nerdy I am, but that's fine. I like to pretend because when I was in high school, I was kind of this nerdy girl and I was doing well in school and everyone thought like, oh, you're not the pretty one. There's all these other women that are like pretty girls that were prettier. But then when I started getting attention, I felt like I fooled them into believing I was this like sexy movie star. And it's kind of like a fake persona almost. There is an actress that just wrote a book about this. I'm going to flub. I think Pamela Anderson has talked about this.
7:46Yes, similar. Where she puts on her like persona kind of. Totally. She's similar. She like led with her sexuality, but like her real identity was wanting to be at home and cook. And now my real identity, I felt like I was more like Bridget Jones, but I wasn't getting cast as that those characters. You know, I was getting cast as like more of like a sexy whatever. No, I always felt like more I related to like the Bridget Jones character. Her name's Mina. Subari. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I just finished her book and she talks about how she kept being cast as like this beautiful siren. But in reality, that's not how she felt.
8:20I mean, remember American Beauty? Yeah. Like she was like. But I mean, also the business. I mean, whatever. It's pretty sexist, you know? So it's mostly. And now maybe hopefully it's getting better. There's more female storytellers. But it's mostly male storytellers. So Mina Savari is being told by a man story. You know what I mean? It's there's so many more stories being told by men. Like it's the man's projection of what sexuality is onto the actress. Right. How is Hollywood different back then when you did Swingers and Boogie Nights to now? I mean, look, it's still sexist, but it was way more sexist.
8:52Like I've listened to other episodes of your guys show. But yeah, they were really harsh on women, I think, in a lot of ways. Like men could do anything, but a woman would be under this like microfying, you know, magnifying glass of her like she's too sexy. She's not sexy enough. It was like a lot of pressure. And even as an actress, like because, you know, sometimes you get offered jobs and they'd be like there's nudity or there's not nudity. It's like, it's weird because to get a job, a lot of times you would have to like take this, you know?
9:21Michael Bosstick:You'd have to do the nude scenes to get it or they wouldn't. Yeah, they'd be like, if you're not willing to do it, you can't do this movie. And then people would be like, well, why did you do this nudity? And you're like, well, that's the freaking jobs that are out there. You know what I mean? And look, I'm very proud of being in Boogie Nights. Like I feel so proud of that movie. It is an iconic movie. Yeah, it's an iconic movie. And I actually have no judgment on sexuality in movies. I think it's awesome. But I do feel like, you know, the system is kind of run by men and then the women get judged for playing those parts that are written by men and directed by men and then like released by men.
9:50And then they're criticized, even though like men are creating this whole world and then criticizing the women.
9:55Michael Bosstick:Because your point, you could have said no to some of those roles, but then you don't get the roles. And that's how the movie is written anyway. And so it's like if you want to further your career, you're kind of. And I don't know if it's like, you know, how I look or my type. But, yeah, it's funny how women get penalized for like the roles that we're allowed to play. You know what I mean? It's like. I feel it's a little more celebrated now, at least. No, it is. And that is a little bit. It's great. Like being a sexual woman is now like like I was, you know, the two dope queens. I remember I was watching all their their live shows and like I feel like younger women are more like celebrating their sexuality, which is amazing.
10:30Thank God. Yeah. So when Austin Powers comes out, is that a different level of fame? It was. Yeah. Yeah. What was that like? I mean, it was a mixture of awesome and also a little bit like, what do I, you know, it's hard when it's you. You can't really see it objectively. But yeah, I'm grateful. I'm grateful I was in a movie that a lot of people watched. I'm glad that you guys watched it and fell in love in the theater, you know. Recite all the different things from that movie. It's like, I mean, it's an amazing movie.
11:01Michael Bosstick:You know, there was this article that just came out recently and it said back then in the 90s, early 2000s, 80s, whatever. everybody would kind of like have the same cultural moments where something like awesome powers would come out and you'd all watch it i was thinking that now there's so much content that everyone is not all watching the same yeah like we probably all watch something different this week yeah so the problem is you don't like back then when that came out especially for the younger people yeah that was the only thing people were i mean there's a few but it was like there were less things to watch so it was like okay five movies came out people are watching those there's like not that many tv stations so everyone's watching the same shows now there's so much content everyone's watching all their special niche kind of things and it's weird because stuff comes out all the time now that people are talking about and i feel so out of the loop because there's like really popular things that i have no clue about me too and the team makes me feel like i'm this ancient dinosaur but i'm like whoa like heated rivalry oh my god i'm obsessed with heated rivalry yeah you have it okay well look a lot of straight guys are afraid to watch it but i don't even know what it is what is it explain what it is okay you guys have to go home immediately and watch okay one of my best friends she's a tv writer and she always tells me which tv shows to watch her name is deb fisher and she she did ginny and georgia but anyway it's about these two hockey players who are like the both the best hockey players in their leagues and they they're they're always fighting each other and they're the best but then they fall in love with each other and they have like hot sex scenes and it's about how they're afraid to like be you know together because they're gay is it a reality show or real it is a fictional story based on a book okay and it's so good oh my god i started crying oh episode five i'm gonna love it but lauren if i told you that i've been watching fallout and that it's based on a really popular video game people are like what but it's also very walt goggins is the oh that's cool there's so many shows you can't there's too okay but heated rivalry makes you happy because i'm in the academy and i'm so grateful because my whole career i'm so grateful to be in the academy a lot of those academy movies are very disturbing so you're watching it it's like genocide people are dying it's every terrible And then you watch heated rivalry and it's like hot gay guys are having sex with each other and falling in love.
13:04What does it mean to be in the Academy? Basically, you get admitted by your body of work and you get to vote for the Academy Awards. That's cool. It's so cool. I mean, that's a flex. No, it is amazing. Yeah. I'm flexing right now. Yeah, to be in the Academy is amazing. If you have to do a sex scene or a nude scene. Actually, one last flex. Yes. I had my roller skates. There were two pairs of roller skates and boogie nights. and I had my pair and I was like, I guess I should like give these away because I'm moving. I'm like, why am I keeping this? And then people were like, no, don't do that. And so my manager gave them to the Academy Museum and they took them.
13:37Isn't that cool?
13:37Michael Bosstick:Those are iconic skates. Yeah. Do not give those skates away. Oh my God. I feel like millions of people - I almost like gave them to the Salvation Army. But no, my manager was like, no. And then people buy those movie props. And then I work with Mike Flanagan, who's a really talented director and he bought the other pair. and he has one of the Boogie Nights roller skates and he has them in his house with like, he has a lot of movie props. You gotta be that for Halloween one year again. I know, I'm doing a photo shoot with Us Weekly on Friday and I'm gonna wear roller skates. They asked me to wear like roller skates.
14:09I mean, that's adorable. Are you, can you skate? I can, but I mean, I haven't recently skated that much, but hopefully I won't kill myself on Friday. When you have to do any kind of nude scene, do you do a shot of tequila before you do it or do you just go in like, what's it called, raw dog?
14:24Michael Bosstick:No, I don't think that's, no, that's not the right term. No, I have a raw doctor for that. Do you just go in like, I'm just going to see how this works out? Or do you plan it in your head? Or is it not nerve wracking at all? I mean, it is nerve wracking. It's slightly terrifying because, you know, I mean, as a woman, like you're looking at your body like, oh, my God, there's flaws. You know, and then, of course, you try to like diet or like try to look as good. So much pressure. But then, you know, ultimately, I think you just try to as an actor, you try to just get into the story and not be self-conscious.
14:53What if the guy gets excited? Like, what do you do? you just keep going with it? I mean, I can imagine you on set. Some actors say like, well, forgive me if I get excited and forgive me if I don't. Okay. Oh. If I was looking up with a guy on set and they didn't at least get a chub, I would be very offended. Just so everyone knows. I would be very offended if there wasn't like a...
15:17Michael Bosstick:Yeah, but I think on the other side is like if they do, then maybe that's like creepy too. I don't know. Well, no. If I was in that situation, I wouldn't know what the appropriate move would be. you know i just that is funny i would really be like concentrating on like just being fully professional good thing you're not taylor he would just finish there's a lot of people there so you're not just alone like there's like 10 people like someone's doing your hair and makeup there's like lighting yeah so you're not like sitting there alone okay i just was i heard an interview with another actress that says she would do three shots of tequila before she did the sex scene wow yeah she said it on a podcast did it work sex in life the show sex in life oh wow she said she had to do three shots yeah who sarah michelle geller no sarah shahi okay i don't know her last name i have to google it taylor pull it up it's sex slash life and she said she did three shots of tequila before that'll do it a good amount of shots after austin powers what was your next big thing well i was in a movie called bowfinger that was just around the time of boogie nights austin powers bowfinger yeah there was some cool things i guess i did you know from Howl with Johnny Depp.
16:24How was that? Was that fun? It was fun. Yeah, we were in Prague and it was very, it's cool. Was Johnny Depp cool? He was cool. He was cool. Yeah. I mean. Oh, wow. Cool.
16:35Michael Bosstick:Taylor is back there. And then you did Californication, The Hangover, Law and Order, True Crime, The Menendez Murders. That would give, that's a lot. Yeah. Is that, when you have to take on a role like that, does that affect your inner peace? It can in moments, but I don't know, as an actor there is something kind of cathartic about it i mean you don't want to be in that headspace like every day all the time but but it's kind of fun having a juicy role so it's better to have the juicy role with dynamic than something that feels flat well the good thing about movies and tv is you're doing this and it ends and you know you do the intense scene one day but if i don't know how people do plays because they do every that's a lot it seems harder to me yeah so with the menendez brothers it's not like hard to to to focus on that and then have to go home and turn it off.
17:22You know, it is disturbing, but like read the news. The news is as disturbing as the Menendez brothers. I mean, read about the Epstein files. It's like, it's more disturbing, you know? That's going to be a movie. I feel like that's going to be a Netflix show. It's going to be called The Files and it's going to be creepy. They already have a bunch.
17:39Michael Bosstick:But I wish like someone would just get some justice. I don't know. It's just like, where's the justice? Some of these people that are being revealed have been like propped up over years and years as like these people that you should look to. And I think the big lesson here is you got to really be careful Well, my friend made a comment. He said out of all these, you know, mostly men abusing these like young people, like there's only one person that's gone to jail and it's a woman. What's her face, Ghislaine? I don't know how you pronounce her name. I never even thought about that. Isn't that screwed up?
18:06She is the only one who is in jail.
18:09Michael Bosstick:Well, I guess he was there until. I guess he was there. Until they. Well, he's not there anymore. Allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. Everything's allegedly. Allegedly. how do you define an empowered woman you were talking about off air about how you're all about empowering women how do you define someone that's empowered well I like first of all I guess I want to empower myself and then I'm into female empowerment you know and I like to be around women that are into that I think it's just feeling good about yourself loving yourself and like not letting other people take that away from you basically do you have a spirituality practice I know I think I you read you practice TM I do TM yeah I do a lot of stuff I do TM I do yoga I I go to Al-Anon I don't know if you guys know what it is it's it's basically a 12-step group I'm not like an alcoholic or drug addict it's more about relationships like having someone in your life that's been a drug addict or alcoholic and it's kind of about codependency basically and I do that and what led you to that to begin with you know a friend of mine was going I was kind of bored one day and I went and after I went I just felt like so uplifted and it is about spirituality it's about connecting to your higher power and like turning all your worries and fears is over to your higher power.
19:20And it's about just love being the best version of yourself, kind of loving yourself first and giving from the overflow as opposed to like, I feel like I was brought up in like a patriarchal culture that was like, give to everyone else. And after you've given to everyone else, if there's maybe do something nice for yourself, if there's time, you know, it was not like love yourself and then give from the overflow. That's interesting that you go to Al-Anon. Do you go once a month, once a week, whenever you feel? Is it like scheduled? I usually go like twice a week. oh yeah that's I'm like very interested in that I think it's really interesting you know what it's a beautiful way that people share it's almost like you know you're on a podcast people are just sharing intimate details about their life with like people they don't really know and you watch people grow and and you know when you're going through something and you see someone else sharing something similar it gives you a deeper understanding of like what to do in your own life when you look at them and go wow like you know I don't want to do that you know right and you can also look at it seems like that it teaches you how to deal with if you have someone in your life that's an alcoholic or a drug addict.
20:16Yeah, it's totally, it's basically about detaching with love, like that you have to just decide if you can accept their behavior or not. And if you can, then just to be as loving as you can and to set healthy boundaries, or if you can't, like how to lovingly detach and just like love them from afar, basically. I would like to go to one of those. I see in Austin. I think that sounds really interesting to me. That sounds more interesting than a one-on-one therapy.
20:38Michael Bosstick:Yeah, I think, well, because the one-on-one therapy is all about you, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. But I think with this, you can start to learn things. There's all kind of healing things. Like I do this thing called cranial sacral therapy. Not a lot of people know what it is, but it's kind of like getting a massage, but it's almost like it affects your nervous system and like calming it down. And I feel like that's very spiritual. And I'm just into any kind of like healing stuff. I cannot believe you just said that you do cranial sacral. Why do you do it? It is all I talk about.
21:04I am obsessed.
21:06Michael Bosstick:I just started doing it because of her. Oh my God, really? I am obsessed. It is been, at least for me, nine years of therapy in seven months. Because I feel like talk therapy doesn't get, like if you've had like past trauma, it doesn't heal your trauma the same way that's like somatic, some kinds of somatic therapy can. I think too, it's in your fascia, the trauma. So like say you got in a car accident or say someone did something really bad to you and there's a trauma there. It's in your fascia. And there's an unwinding that happens in it where it releases the trauma that's stored in the fascia.
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21:41No, that totally happened. If something can elevate my day and make me feel more aligned, I'm in. And I have been driving with my kids a lot in the cars to pick up, to activities, to the dentist. Our dentist is two hours away, which we'll get to in an episode soon. but when I'm driving, I always stop by Starbucks and my specific order, because you know, I'm going to give it to you is the new iced lavender cream matcha. Oh my God. It's so good. It's like smooth topped with this subtle lavender cold foam. It just feels chic, elevated, floral, fresh. And honestly, I feel like it's like spring in a cup.
22:20I am so in love with this. I actually text my friend the other day and I was like, you have to try it. It's also so pretty. The best part to me about Starbucks is that you can customize what you want. So I can adjust the sweetness or change the milk to really make it my own. And the sweetness I like to make very, very light. I like it to feel like refreshing. So it still tastes amazing. It just feels more refined and intentional. I recommended this drink too to some of the girls on our team, and they all loved it. It's perfectly balanced, and I have no notes, and that's rare. You go in Starbucks and you create something that feels completely your own and personalized.
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26:38Michael Bosstick:For years, I've struggled to get in my greens, make salads, get vegetables in, and it's because it's such a pain for me to prep it and put it all together. Enter Taylor Farms. No chopping, slicing, or leaving half a cabbage in your fridge. It's fresh and ready to go. They have these salad kits that are incredible and already put together so you can just grab and go. Some of the options include sweet kale, Caesar, avocado ranch, Mediterranean crunch. I love them all. Super fresh, crisp, delicious. The whole family loves them too. And like I said, they're convenient and easy to grab. This is a great way to get your vegetables in and a great way to also make sure you're getting the proper nutrients.
27:09Michael Bosstick:Of course, we talk about supplementation on this podcast all the time, but if you're not getting the proper nutrition, if you're not eating right, none of that really matters. And another reason I love Taylor Farms is it makes it easy to get your salads together with a huge variety. They offer an extensive portfolio with so many options to choose from. That includes 28 chopped kits, 10 salad kits, 6 organic chop kits, and 9 mini chop kits. So there's truly something for every appetite and occasion. And because protein is having a moment, Taylor Farms just launched a protein-forward line that packs serious protein.
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28:08Michael Bosstick:So if I can do it, you can too. Grab a Taylor Farms chopped salad kit and get your salad together. After our son was born, our pediatrician said, hey, you should do some cranial sacral on him because he just had the birth. And so it could help. And so to clear whatever. And then what happened is she started taking all the sessions. I get it. I go once a week. I am literally obsessed. You'll have to tell me out there who you go to because I don't have anyone here. No, I have someone really good. Okay. What she told me, and I thought this blew my mind, is she said when babies come out of the womb, a lot of people think that they're colic or they're crying a lot or they're a bad baby.
28:46And what it actually is, is that the baby has had a traumatic experience coming through the canal. Wow. And that even like you or you or you, we could have had traumatic experiences at birth that is stored in the fascia and if that doesn't get released the baby's constantly uncomfortable and that you can actually have your birth trauma when you're like 21 or 40 or 50 or 60 so what the what she does is she aligns the baby after birth and it like sets up this whole wow and did it help your child wow that's amazing it's like the energy was just like he was like maybe like fussy and it just cleared well then the problem is it's not a
29:24Michael Bosstick:problem but yeah she gets her hands on someone like me who's like 40 years of burying it down deep i know because you're a guy too so you're probably repressing now it's like i'm trying to work through it but it was crazy like the first few times i started doing i started getting these crazy headaches wow the week after did you guys have any memories come up while you were doing it from your past yeah yeah it's when you start unwinding it she my girl calls it unwinding i cannot believe i mean i love to try all different things but it is so powerful it is so powerful And I think it's so cool people care about trauma now because I think in the past, like people didn't really understand it, but like I was looking at the best-selling books of the year and the number one best-selling nonfiction book was The Body Keeps the Score.
30:04Huh. About the trauma. That's an older book. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? People are paying attention. They're understanding that it's stored in the body. Cranial sacral, I cannot say. I love that you just said that. You're one of like maybe the second person. No one knows what it is usually. It's random. Yeah, it is.
30:19Michael Bosstick:It almost feels like it took me a second to understand what was going on because you kind of just... And do you feel it's helped you? I think what I've realized is that, to your point, there's probably stuff that's buried down deep that I know is there. And then my mind or my whatever personal defense system I put up is doing whatever it's doing to guard whatever's in there. And so I know I need to get it out in some kind of way. That's exactly what happened to me. It was like, I went for the first time and it was like, you know, these memories are trying to bury, they're there, you have to deal with it.
30:49Yeah, that's how I feel.
30:50Michael Bosstick:I feel the memories are buried. I know they're there. I know they're probably holding me back in some way, but I haven't quite got them out yet. Do you talk when you do it or do you just sit in meditation? I've done both. There's some people I've gone to where I don't talk, but there's other people where I will talk and I'll just tell them like all these personal stuff. And it's kind of cathartic. Yes. I go to Dr. Maria in Austin. If you're ever in Austin, I will shout her out. She's amazing. Yeah. And she has totally changed my life. I'm never getting an appointment again. No. There goes all my trauma work.
31:20Michael Bosstick:They got to give you guys first priority. You've got to live in abundance. We've got to share it. Well, the trauma's going to be buried the rest of my life. That's really cool that you do cranial sacral. But I think it's also cool that Al-Anon, I feel like it's synergistic to the cranial sacral. It is. It is. I think like, because I wasn't out, well, I am still, but I did the 12 steps and that allowed me to like uncover like past trauma and be there and like in a loving way to like heal that basically. Really cool. Those two things together seem very, very powerful. Yeah. What's a daily habit or a ritual that you do every single day to look like this bombshell persona?
31:55Is there like, what's happening beauty wise? Well, I like getting a lot of sleep. I like working out. I work out like five times a week. And I just like try to surround myself with loving people. Yeah, eat healthy food. I'm really into cooking and eating. What are you cooking? Well, I like having people over and cooking. I'm kind of toying with the idea of maybe doing like a cooking show. But whenever I cook for my friends, they're like, you need to put this on Instagram and you need to do a cooking show. Because it feels like very loving to make food for people you care about. So I cook for my friends a lot.
32:25What workouts is Heather Graham doing? Well, I really like yoga a lot. That's my number one top. In fact, I'm about to go on a yoga retreat on Saturday. I'm so excited. But I like to take really hard yoga classes, like where you're sweating and you're like doing all that. And then by the end, you feel like cathartically like so good. Do you hot yoga? I mean I don't always do hot yoga but there is one class I like to go to that is hot it's very hot and then I do Pilates and I go to the gym are you like lifting weights I do sometimes lift weights yeah okay not all the time but sometimes cardio cardio I should probably do more cardio what about you what do you do amazing well I'm in the midst of losing 20 pounds so it's that's been a journey and I look what's your workout a lot of weights yeah okay heavy weights hmm but I think that I think yoga would be very synergistic, just like cranial sacral and Al-Anon.
33:16It feels like... It's so good. I know. I feel like I need more yoga. Yeah, I feel like I get to a spiritual place in yoga where, especially if I go to a hard class and sometimes when it gets hot and you're sweating by the end of it, you just feel like you're reborn and all your stress is gone and you just feel happy to be alive. At this point in your career, what is making you say yes? Well, I do love what I do. I'm getting more into some development stuff, like, you know, writing and directing and optioning books. And I do love what I do. And I love people, you know, even though I like to be an introvert sometimes.
33:48I like working with people. And, like, in the movie I have coming out, I got to do, like, action scenes. You know, that was really fun. I had never really gotten to do, like, these fight scenes before. But I do like being creative and telling stories. And I like stories with female protagonists. When you say optioning books, does that mean you take a book and turn it into a movie? yes you option the book on the road to like turning it into a film or a tv show like i'm writing stuff and like just all different things like i just optioned the script and i gave it to like happy madison and they're potentially interested that's cool yeah so lots of different interesting have you worked with them before i did work with adam on anger management like a time ago but yeah and then that's a good movie yeah and jackie sandler likes the script that i whatever anyway I hope it happens but but I just love I love watching stories with female protagonists maybe because when I came up in the business there were not that many I think now they're there's so much more content so they're making more but I just like seeing stories where a woman it's from a female point of view who is your favorite actor or actress that you've worked with wow this is like a hard question or maybe like your top three you've worked with so many I mean my mind is a boy ever I feel so grateful to work with so many people she's like Johnny Depp, Adam Sandler, Mike Myers.
35:03Burt Reynolds. I mean, there's so many.
35:06Michael Bosstick:Burt Reynolds is pretty cool. Do you like realize when you're in it how crazy it is what you're doing or does it not feel? It's cool. It is cool to think like, oh my God, like I got to work with like Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy or like, you know, these cool people. Like I'm kind of obsessed with Patricia Arquette and I just got to work with her. That's cool. I'm like, wow, I love you. You know what I mean? It's I'm a fan. So what who is like if you had to pick someone who has been the biggest inspiration that you've worked with? I don't know. This is like a question I feel like I need to think more about.
35:36I mean, one of the most inspiring movies I watched was like Harold and Maude and, you know, Bud Court just died. But I thought Ruth Gordon in that movie was really inspiring. I think that movie like really inspired my whole life because she had such a zest for life. And she was such a quirky, interesting individual. And I felt really inspired by her, but I never got to meet her. When you're acting, do you, is it something that comes naturally at this point? Like you don't even have to prepare because you've got it? Or is it something that you constantly have to refine? I work so hard. I recently started, a few years ago, started working with this new coach.
36:06Her name's Werner Laughlin, and she coaches all these really cool actors. But she has this whole method where you come up with all these memories from your past. So say you get a character, you read the script, and then it will come up with like seminal moments in the past. Like this happened, and then this made you do this. And then you use your imagination. You imagine all these memories. So then it's weird. You close your eyes and you talk through the memory. She has a whole book about it. But it really, when you go there, it's really powerful. All the preparation is there. And that helps you do it.
36:34Michael Bosstick:I've heard also when you work with great actors or actresses, it feels easier than when you work with people that are maybe not as. Because I've heard from other people that you're able to kind of like drop into the role easier if the person across from you is really good. in their role. Yeah, for sure. It feels more real. It helps make it real. Yeah, that's true. That makes sense because even with an interview, I feel like that's similar. If the person's open, it's easier to interview. Yeah, it's always hard. It's harder to do, I think, any kind of medium like this when somebody's either like nervous or not into it or like off.
37:07Michael Bosstick:Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So are you going to focus in the next chapter of your career more on the behind the scenes? Yes, I'm working on having my own production company. I have my own production company. It's called Force of Nature Studios. Yeah, my goal, I have a whole pitch deck that I came up with, is just to tell really cool, interesting stories with female protagonists. I mean, I'm inspired by Reese Witherspoon and Margot Robbie and their companies and how they focus on that because the business is not really focused on that. And if you look at how movies are made, each actor has a value, and the men are just worth way more.
37:42And so it's a lot easier to get a movie greenlit if you're a man. So I think it's cool all these women that are taking that into their own hands. How do we change the way that people are paid in this business? I don't understand why the men are paid more. The men are paid more because they take the movies that you've made and they put it into like this whole mashup. And then, you know, then that makes them worth more. Like whatever, like an action. Mainly because the whole business and the whole world is from a patriarchal system. So it's kind of changing all that that would do it. So like you take a superhero character and the superhero is made like one, two, three, four.
38:17But what if there's a woman in it too?
38:19Michael Bosstick:Well, you know, we had Scarlett Johansson on and I think she might be one of the highest paid actors because she was in that Marvel. I think she's in more Marvel movies than maybe not now. But she's been in a shitload of those things. But I think that there shouldn't be such a big pay difference. I don't understand. It's not only pay, it's what they greenlight. You know, so if you look at the Avenger or even movies like that, usually there's like a male lead, you know? And then, oh, the woman's like the second or third or fourth lead. So it's just something, you know, of course, there's exceptions and there's movies with female leads.
38:49But it's more the majority are male leads. So this is why you're so passionate about taking a role. That's why I am. Because I do feel like it affects women. Like I know it affected me. Like growing up and you see yourself as always like the women are always the supporting characters. And I think I grew up being a people pleaser. And like, oh, my God, I'm supposed to because that was my model. My mother was like a very traditional mom. And it felt like it was all about like, what does my dad want? and my mom's just trying to please him. And it just felt like she didn't feel like an equal to me.
39:14So yeah, I feel like as a woman, I wanted role models of women to look at who were strong and doing what they wanted and not just trying. Of course, it's, you know, if you love someone, you want to please them and that's fine. But to be your own individual strong self and not just to be like, what do you want, honey? You know? There is this book that you have to produce. It just came out. Okay, what is it? And it's all about, it's kind of like has the same energy of what you're saying. Like the woman steps into her own power. It's called Strangers. okay wow and it's about this woman that is feels like a stranger in her marriage and they end up getting a divorce and it's what the hell are you doing reading that okay wait i need a new book because i'm going on a yoga retreat i want it strangers perfect for a yoga retreat who wrote it her name is bell yeah i'm not sure what her last name okay you can google what her last name is i want to shout her out okay this book i i started i could not put it down and it's like exactly the same vibe of what you're saying interesting you need to produce i want to okay i'm gonna totally can i have a supporting role okay yeah yeah sure it's first i have to get the option from the writer it's you i'm okay read this on the yoga retreat i was meant to meet you and you are meant to produce everything you're saying like that i would love to find a new book it's i feel like it has like already yep that's it bell burden and you know what i think it already has a hundred thousand five stars on Amazon.
40:37Like it's so good. Oh my God. Well, I am writing a script right now, which I haven't finished, but it's about this woman that goes to like a Jeffrey Epstein Island and kills everyone. I'm like, I want revenge. Nobody's getting any consequences. I'm writing this. I'm like, I didn't see you. We do well. You heard it here first.
40:53Michael Bosstick:The question is, is it going to get greenlit? Take it around. Well, if she has all women working around her, maybe it will. That's, I mean, someone needs to like have some justice for that. Well, that's, you would be a great person to spearhead that someone going to. No, but I want to read The Stranger's book. Thank you. I need a good new book. I feel like you'll love that book. Okay. I want to talk about what is one of my favorite products in the world. It's one of Lauren's as well. These are Maui Nui's Axis Venison Jerky Sticks. These are some of the most incredible jerky sticks we've ever had.
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42:49One of the best episodes that we have done lately was with the founders of Mara Labs. It was mind-blowing. If you haven't listened to it, you have to go back. They gave us the full deep dive on detox and cancer support, and we even got into microplastics, and it was fascinating. So Mara Labs actually started after founders David and John tested sulforaphane on David's late wife's cancer cells and saw incredible results in the lab. So from there, after they saw these results and what it did to the cancer cells, they created this product called Brock Elite. I am so into this. I gave it to my dad.
43:29I gave it to my stepmom. I called my sister about it. It's a master detoxer. So if you're doing everything that you need to detox, like sauna, maybe you're taking binders you have to add broccolite into that stack it's so cool it's the first supplement that's shown to mobilize microplastics from the body it's fascinating you guys have to listen to the episode they also have this other product that's really interesting it's called gl perfect it's also by marlabs and it's designed to help protect against muscle loss while supporting metabolic health if you are taking glp1 also you can take it if you're not on a GLP one.
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45:34so if you are doing combo feeding or you just don't know where to look when it comes to formula i would definitely look at bobby you should also know that it was 2025's top choice by consumer reports this brand is very particular about formula and i like it if you want to feed with confidence head to high bobby.com that's high bobby.com to find the formula trusted by parents and loved by their babies. 700K and counting. I want to tell you about the charity that I am so passionate about, and it is called I Stand With My Pack. They are committed to getting dogs fostered and adopted. I have been a fan of this specific charity for about five years.
46:20When my daughter was born, I met a woman named Lucy, and she was helping me with Zaza, and she told me all about this incredible charity, I Stand With My Pack, where they helped animals find homes that were in really bad conditions. And I started following the Instagram account, fell in love with what they were doing, and then decided to partner with them to bring awareness to their cause. If you're looking to adopt or foster a dog, you have to check them out. It's I Stand With My Pack. They are accepting donations too if you can't adopt or foster. and all of the money goes to their mission, which is to help dogs with major medical needs that are often not seen by adopters or other rescuers.
47:05Check them out. Istandwithmypack.org. How do you feel like you're different now than in your 20s? Well, I think I have a lot of similarities. Actually, my friend just gave me, have you seen those picture frames where the pictures are like on a video screen and they float through? Anyway.
47:20Michael Bosstick:My mom loves those things. She gets mad if we don't send pictures to it. That's cute. Okay. So anyway, I think I have a lot of similarities, but I do think I'm better. I think I kind of was brought up in this, you know, old fashioned family where it was like you're just supposed to go be obedient, right? You're not supposed to go, well, I don't agree or this is the thing or I want this or I want that. Like it's very different from how kids are today. But so I took me a lot to learn how to speak up for myself to kind of get clear on what do I want and not just try to be a people pleaser, basically.
47:46Are you a reader? Yeah. Is there any books that you can recommend to our audience? well I just read the new Jeanette McCurdy book I liked well of course you know I'm so glad my mom died was great and then her new one is called half his age which I thought I would like be triggered by but it was like great it was it was she's so good she's a good writer she's a really good I actually listened to it because of the traffic in LA I was listening to it but let's see um have you guys read the vanishing half that that's a really good book it's about these two sisters who are black but they can pass and one decides to pass as white and the other doesn't It's kind of like the trajectories of their lives.
48:21And it's really interesting. Jeanette McCurdy. I read. I'm glad my mom died, but I've not read the other one. I'm going to put that on my list. It's really good. Like if you if you have like Spotify or Audible, she reads her own book and you can listen to it. It's pretty great. That's I feel like she would be a good one to produce. You guys should interview her. She's so interesting.
48:38Michael Bosstick:I think we've been going back and forth with her. I would love to. And trying to figure out. She's very open. We'd love to talk to her. Yeah. Yeah, she is very open. what's a rule that you have with yourself when it comes to choosing product projects now i guess you know the script and then the people involved and money i don't know it's okay to say sometimes you just want to make money yeah like yeah own it yeah own it i mean i think you hope it'll be good but you don't always know you this is a question that our team asked you've never followed the traditional script the marriage the kids the settling down in a conventional way Are you, do you feel like that's natural or do you feel like you have to defend it?
49:16I mean, I think that more women, the culture is more accepting of it now. I think in the past, it was this idea of like, well, why aren't you doing that? But I think less people are doing it, you know, than they were, you know? So it's not like, I think it's great to do it if you have this love in your heart and you want to give to kids, but I don't think everyone should feel like obligated because obviously there's a lot of people that are terrible parents and, you know, better not to do it if you don't think you could. I also think there's like, It's different strokes for different folks. Not everyone wants to do the same blueprint that is accepted by society.
49:48Yeah. I had a therapist and she was like, you know, if you don't have kids, then life will bring you people to nurture, you know? So then there's other things that come into your life that you can nurture, you know? I mean, Jennifer Aniston is such a good example of that. Like she, to me, seems like she lives. I mean, I don't know her, but she seems like she lives such a full, beautiful life. Yeah. I feel like she's always hosting her friends and she has like friends that are family members. And I think she's a good example for people that don't want kids.
50:12Michael Bosstick:Do people pressure you in the past? Because if you think about it, it's kind of sexist. I don't think people are going, well, you're a guy. Why don't you have kids? Like, what's wrong with you? I mean, whatever. It's not the same judgment as on a woman. So I do think it's cool that more women are just like, you know, it's fine to not do it if it's not your path. It's not for me. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, I think like what happens with guys later, because some of my friends are going through this, is like if you reach a certain age and you haven't settled down, they're like, well, are you never going to – like they like kind of look at you as like where you're just like a playboy all the time you're never gonna like yeah it's not the same with women though no but it's not necessarily in a negative but you could be in like a serious relationship and not have kids too you know what i mean but yeah you know who's done it right they did have kids but you know who's done it cool is goldie hahn and kurt russell that they seem like they have fun yeah they're not married yeah you know we could have just dated forever was that we're not doing that i don't know how long have you guys been together we've been together for a long time like that meme we've been married though for 10 years no but we've been together since we were it's like 20 years but we've known each other for since we were 12 so like basically so cute i think the trick is 30 years you have to like the person not love okay i think you have to like what is your trick you have to gotta like them like i want to like to be around if i woke up tomorrow and didn't want to be around you and stopped liking you look out like i gotta like you is it because like you are friends as well as being like chemistry and stuff yeah i like being around it yeah they give the chemistry and then like yeah yeah i think you're best friends that's awesome that's the word i prefer you but if i didn't no i like prefer to if it's like even if i'm out like with my girlfriends like if you came i feel like it would add make it more fun yeah it would make it more fun i like that's cute i know you seem very sweet as a guy you're like very supportive cool like you seem cool yeah either They should make more like you.
51:57Michael Bosstick:Listen, like I, no, I feel, I talk about this a lot. I grew up with a mother who I saw my entire life work hard and have her own career and her own thing. And then I think as I got older, I was just very comfortable with that dynamic. And then I was, I think in a weird way, if you want to get like psychological about it, I was more attracted to the archetype of a woman who kind of had that and less of the traditional. If that makes sense, because I didn't have it. I think as I've grown, I've noticed that I can be, like I can go to dinner with her friends and still just be myself, but be not. So you're saying you're perfect.
52:30Michael Bosstick:No. But you know what's funny is like sometimes like I'm probably not getting invited to all the guyships or golfing, which I don't want to go golfing, you know, stuff like that. What practices do you do to protect your energy? Well, I think it's the people that you're around. and I think sometimes I need like a day or two to my, like sometimes I need to regroup by being alone, you know, or basically working out. I think working out gets me out of my head, which is really good. It's like a recharge. It's like a cell phone. And being in nature. I'd say nature is so important. Like the new house I bought, I feel like I'm in nature.
53:02And yes, being in nature, being alone, sleeping. Do you have a practice when it comes to writing? Sometimes I just like to, you know, okay, like I'm going to set aside four hours today and just write something, you know, and then whatever it is, it is. But just set aside time and then just make myself do it. Four hours is a long time. It's a long time, but people sit there for like eight hours. I don't know how people do that. Yeah. If I ever am writing, I feel like I only can do like an hour and a half. I need to try four hours. I mean, you can get a lot done in an hour and a half. Oh my gosh.
53:33I'm trying to write something right now. What are you writing? I'm trying to write a book, but it's really hard. That's cool. It's really hard. I honestly think writing a book... It's funny to hear you say that
53:42Michael Bosstick:because of course it's hard. You could get like a co-writer to help. I don't know. I feel like I'm so far in it that I'd rather just finish it. But then I'm like, is that not efficient? I think it's hard. It's hard. I think it's really hard. Maybe one of the hardest things. It's almost like birthing a baby. It's hard. Why are you looking at me like I would know? I don't know. Anyway, what are you working on now? Tell us about your new movie. okay well i have a movie coming out it's called they will kill you and it's uh yeah it's a funny title it's easy to remember that title it's coming out march 27th we're premiering at south by southwest on march 17th and it's a very cool very wild it's almost if you mix kill bill with like get out maybe and rosemary's baby it's a wild story we are at south by we live out there we We barely go out.
54:39Oh, wow. We're a little grandma. Yeah. Grandpa. But we, like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, like the beds. Yeah. The grandma and the grandpa. But we are going to South by.
54:49Michael Bosstick:This business is headquartered out there. Oh, wow. If you look at them. So maybe we'll stop by and say hi. You should. Definitely. Is it like a screening? Yeah, we're having a premiere. It's on the 17th at like 930. And then we have like a press day on the 18th. And there's like a kind of content creator. I'm sure they would love to have you guys like show up. Yeah, we'll stop by and say hi. We'll be there. We're speaking out there at that. yeah but it's not the 17th let me know 16th but maybe we'll go the next i get there the 16th and there's like a there's like a con we're having like some kind of content creator dinner i'm sure that they'd be very excited if you guys want to be any part of it i'm going to give you my email and you can let me know when you guys are there yeah so everyone can go watch your movie is there anything else that you're working on that we can get excited for well i just did i did a movie it's scary it's called well at the moment the title is called what happened to doris it's the doris by a third story which they they made a movie in the 80s called the entity with barbara hershey it's a scary story about this woman that was like haunted in her house and they took photos of it it was like the only it's one of the most documented like stories of like haunting and then i'm in this new carrie tv show and then i i did a part in this osgood perkins movie where i basically my face explodes this is a lot of scary horror things i know i have and then i have these two movies that i think i'm gonna do this year that are that are more comedies yeah and then I have a bunch of stuff that I'm working on in my development stuff.
56:11Taylor has asked three guests on our show, and we've interviewed a lot of people to take a picture. Okay, let's do it. I think you're going to be number four. I think he's going to ask you. I think he's going to ask you for a picture. Okay, I would love to. But I want to take a picture with you guys. We're going to take a picture. We're going to take a picture. But Taylor never asks for a picture. Oh, really? Taylor, I'm so honored. Thank you. Taylor came in and whispered to me before you came on, she's so beautiful. Oh, that's nice. yeah he's a fan Heather thank you for coming on the show it's fun talking to you guys thank you for doing this you're so fun to talk to yeah maybe we'll see you in Austin yeah I'll give you my number
56:45Michael Bosstick:I would love it by then my trauma will be worked out no I want to hear your trauma okay I'm gonna send you a picture of the 20 movie tickets oh my god but I want a picture of you when you were 12 like one ticket's like he felt me up the next ticket's like he grabbed my ass the next ticket's like he took a finger who's that like first face second face I was doing everything I did everything I could to go to the movies back then. You're like, had a fat bastard in the background? Yeah, fat bastard. Oh my God. Well, you must have gone to some other movies. Like, what other movies did you do? No, we really didn't.
57:15We just kept it routine. Listen, I gotta go. You're like, I don't care about the movie. It's just I'm sitting next to this beautiful girl.
57:21Michael Bosstick:No, we loved the movie, though, because it was so, I mean, again, at the time, it was so funny. I know, it's funny. It still is funny. What's it called? A perennial? Perennial. Perennial seller. Oh. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you. Thank you for doing this. That was great.
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