In short
Episode topic: Elizabeth Endres Orrigo shares her journey from lifelong chronic health issues to healing through TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome), nervous-system regulation, and “journal speak” self-accountability; she also discusses manifestation, pregnancy, and dating/relationship alignment.
Guest backgrounds
Elizabeth is a chronic-illness survivor who discovered TMS via Nicole Sachs (a Dr. John Sarno patient/continuer). She previously worked in corporate life (and co-founded/ran Sweats in the City with a partner), later transitioning to wellness/podcast work full-time. She is now pregnant and engaged.
Key claims
Her symptoms (including pelvic burning pain, rashes, migraines/IBS-type issues, and a heart conduction problem requiring a pacemaker) improved after adopting TMS-informed practices. She argues pain can be a subconscious protective mechanism and that awareness + belief + daily aggressive journaling can reduce symptoms. She emphasizes “aligned action” for manifestation and personal accountability in relationships.
Notable examples
She describes pelvic pain starting around COVID lockdown, pacemaker placement after anesthesia refusal due to a heart block, and a 20-minute/day journal practice (writing harsh truths, then tearing pages). She credits To Be Magnetic (Lacey Phillips) and a psychic prediction for her engagement and pregnancy.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPodcast Studios and Infrastructure
0:45 to 2:06
Discussing the podcasting studio situation in New York City.
“And listen, like God bless the people that are, I mean, it's hard because podcasts have blown up.”
Elizabeth's Health Journey Introduction
2:06 to 3:19
Elizabeth shares her chronic health issues and experiences.
“It's the type of chronic stuff where you go to a million doctors and everyone's like, I don't know.”
Chronic Illness and Discovery
3:19 to 5:52
Elizabeth discusses her chronic health problems and the impact on her life.
“Did you ever have black mold in your house?”
The Turning Point: TMS Discovery
5:52 to 7:06
Elizabeth shares her discovery of Tension Myositis Syndrome (TMS) and its significance.
“I flew to Kentucky where a doctor told me I needed two years of antibiotics.”
The Journaling Practice
7:06 to 8:32
Elizabeth explains the daily journaling practice that helped her heal.
“I am telling you, there is nothing more impactful that I've done.”
Michael's Similar Experience
8:32 to 10:23
Michael shares his experience with TMS and healing through awareness.
“If everyone in the world did this practice, it would be an entirely different place.”
Skepticism and Openness to Healing
10:23 to 13:10
Discussing skepticism towards alternative healing and personal growth.
“How did you know to read this book specifically?”
Understanding TMS and Its Impact
14:03 to 15:00
Learn about TMS and how it manifests physical pain as a distraction from emotional issues.
“prescribed and all the medications and all the Western medicine and none of it worked.”
The Journey of Journaling
15:00 to 17:22
Discover the importance of journaling in processing emotions and uncovering deeper issues.
“By the way, I would have loved at the time for an antibiotic to fix this.”
Releasing Energy through Writing
17:22 to 20:24
Explore how writing down negative thoughts can prevent them from manifesting as physical pain.
“And yeah, it's the stuff that I feel like people's biggest mistake that they make, if you could make a mistake with journal speak, which is the name of the practice, is that they don't go the layer deep enough.”
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The Importance of Solitude and Regulation
20:24 to 23:06
Understand the significance of solitude and maintaining a regulated nervous system for overall well-being.
“You could either put them on paper and get them out or let them manifest as migraines and back pain.”
Navigating Parenthood and Personal Practices
23:06 to 25:41
Learn how to maintain self-care routines amidst the challenges of parenting.
“to be bringing life into this world to continue my practice.”
Manifestation and Alignment in Relationships
25:41 to 28:00
Discover how aligning your internal state can attract the right partner and improve overall life satisfaction.
“Your recent engagement was something that you said you manifested.”
Finding Alignment in Life and Relationships
28:00 to 28:36
Learn how personal alignment can improve health and relationships.
“All of a sudden my health problems got better.”
Personal Accountability and Relationship Dynamics
28:36 to 30:45
Understand the role of personal accountability in attracting partners.
“things and not be vibrating and having the same things within you.”
Engagement and Relationship Certainty
30:45 to 33:08
Explore the feelings of certainty and confidence in relationships and engagements.
“That like, that's where I was at, that that's what I attracted.”
Inner Confidence and Attraction
33:08 to 35:58
Discover how inner confidence affects attraction and relationship dynamics.
“I think, unfortunately, a lot of people settle.”
Setting Intentions and Taking Action
35:58 to 39:08
Learn how to set intentions and take aligned actions to attract the right partner.
“There's like a different level of self-worth, I think, that has increased in all these areas.”
The Business Journey of Elizabeth Endres Orrigo
39:08 to 42:00
Hear about Elizabeth's transition from corporate life to entrepreneurship.
“I think there's a lot of people who want, I call it forever students that want to do the list and listen to the podcast and do all the wellness things, but they don't want to take that action.”
Journey from Bloomberg to Entrepreneurship
42:00 to 48:00
Learn about the transition from a stable job to founding a wellness business.
“I can't remember because all I can think about is the fact that I wore a purple romper to the class and I was so upset about my outfit.”
Journey from Bloomberg to Entrepreneurship
49:40 to 51:08
Learn about the transition from a stable job to founding a wellness business.
“If there's one thing that keeps me up at night as a parent, it's that our kids are the first generation growing up on ultra-processed foods, and the long-term health effects, we're only beginning to understand them.”
Journey from Bloomberg to Entrepreneurship
51:21 to 52:49
Learn about the transition from a stable job to founding a wellness business.
“Their essential prenatal was clinically proven to deliver key nutrients, including folate, biotin, and vitamin D.”
Exploring Alternative Wellness Modalities
52:49 to 56:00
Discover various alternative wellness practices and their impact.
“What are the things that you reach for besides your journal dump?”
Balancing Wellness and Enjoyment
56:00 to 1:02:02
Discover how to enjoy life while maintaining wellness without guilt.
“You know what I do feel like you would like though, just from talking to you?”
Balancing Wellness and Enjoyment
1:02:03 to 1:03:37
Discover how to enjoy life while maintaining wellness without guilt.
“Lauren and I could not be bigger fans of Branch Basics.”
Balancing Wellness and Enjoyment
1:04:59 to 1:05:44
Discover how to enjoy life while maintaining wellness without guilt.
“I definitely would say if you are not using mouth tape, you are missing out on so many benefits.”
Balancing Wellness and Enjoyment
1:05:55 to 1:07:37
Discover how to enjoy life while maintaining wellness without guilt.
“I designed every single aspect of this kit with the P-Volv team and it is gorgeous as you can see.”
Podcasting and Personal Growth
1:07:53 to 1:10:03
Hear about the host's podcast journey and current projects.
“Tell us about your podcast, where your energy is going today.”
Exploring Matcha and Coffee Preferences
1:10:03 to 1:11:55
Discuss the differences between matcha and coffee and personal preferences.
“to New York and everything tastes like trash.”
The Importance of Journaling
1:11:55 to 1:13:19
Explore the practice of journaling and its potential benefits on mental health.
“I'll be interested when you start your journal speak if the sleep improves.”
AI and Authenticity in Communication
1:13:19 to 1:16:02
Discuss the impact of AI on communication and the importance of authenticity.
“You never know what you're going to get.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Welcome to The Bossticks, starring Lauren Bosstick and Michael Bosstick. Together, they are the Bossticks.
0:14We had some of the girls in the company saying, you know, at one point we were like sending them to some studio on Canal Street and I was getting some people. That's where I go. Yeah, I'm sorry. I hope you're okay. I'm actually traumatized from the studios in New York City. I'm going to call it out. I cannot believe that the biggest city in the world, is it the biggest city in the world? It's not the biggest city. It's one of the biggest cities. Has these recording studios. No, no, no. And there's like two. There's Where I Go and there's one other one. And it ain't good, you guys. And listen, like God bless the people that are, I mean, it's hard because podcasts have blown up.
0:50But yeah, Carson, is the studio ready? Because you were just out there. It's ready. okay i sent carson out there i haven't actually been out there um but yeah the new dear media offices are open there with studios so you can go there can't wait yeah you should go pop the cherry 100 yeah get me in there for the announcement one you should i guess like you don't have to be as careful yeah it's in it's in the flat iron area i always like can i announce where it is but yeah new york like it's fine you're safe dear media coming to new york city elizabeth is gonna go it's there it's open it's ready to go podcast there um it's great lighting it better be bright light, soft, whimsical, smooth our skin, make us look good, flatter the body.
1:25Crispy video. I mean, you got to get it. You got to get it. I heard they're the best studios that we've done so far because we're getting ready to do that. We're overhauling. We're doing moving offices in LA, overhauling those. And like, it's like one thing at a time, but yeah. Okay. Elizabeth, you have quite the story. I am very interested, I think, in starting with your chronic health issues. I'm curious, and I'm sure the audience is too, of how you go from having chronic health issues to where you are now, which to me, you look like you're thriving, your skin, your hair, it all looks beautiful.
1:57So to walk us through that journey. Okay. So I think the right place to start is going back to childhood. And I think a lot of people listening will resonate with this type of person, personality that I'm going to describe, which is very perfectionistic type, type A, super sensitive, the one that's called like the sensitive one in the family, who tends to develop chronic things, whether that's IBS, migraines, back pain, skin issues, gut issues, like you name it. It's the type of chronic stuff where you go to a million doctors and everyone's like, I don't know. And, you know, there's so many things like that.
2:35So I kind of had those type of conditions my whole life. It was chronic strep. It was in my 20s, I was getting diverticulitis, which is like super rare when you're young. I was hospitalized for it all the time. I had crazy acne, like mid twenties. I have a heart condition. There's like been so many things. Heart condition is sort of its own thing, but. Heart condition from birth or heart condition that you discovered? I actually discovered it. 19 had to get a pacemaker. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Was passing out. And I actually went in to have a colonoscopy because I had a lot of gut things going on and the anesthesiologist was like, I can't put you under, you have a heart block.
3:14My parents were like, what? And I literally got a pacemaker a couple of weeks later. Your poor parents, that would freak me out so bad. It was a lot. Two questions before you continue. Did you ever have black mold in your house? Not that I know of. However, I've obviously gone down that rabbit hole since. Okay. And did you have pandas? No. Okay. I know. Super random. I think and no doctor has said this is what it is, I was taking Adderall in college. And I think as a super sensitive person, a Starbucks, couple shots of espresso and Adderall, like I think that can mess with the electrical conduction of your heart, which is the kind of issue that I have.
3:57Absolutely. Well, you know, anytime we say things like this, you're not a dog, people get, but I was just making your heartbeat fast. Were you anxious? Were you just you felt like you were like too wired up or what? All of it. And by the way, that might not be it. I don't know. I've been checked for everything. Like my both my parents are nurses. So when this happened, they were like, we went down the infectious disease rabbit hole, everything. And really what it's come down to is like, if it's not broke, don't fix it. The pacemaker works. I've never fainted since I was fainting like badly, like would have to be ambulance to the to the hospital and stuff like that.
4:32And go back to when you were little. What did you do when you were having all these chronic illnesses before the pacemaker? It was a lot of going to the doctor, antibiotics. You know, I was just sort of like the difficult one. And like I said, both my parents were nurses, so I knew a lot. Maybe that was actually to my detriment. But it wasn't until until COVID when things really came to a head. And now that I know what I know, that's not a coincidence, right? Like I was living alone in my apartment in New York city. I had just gone through a breakup after many years of being, living with someone.
5:09I was super anxious about COVID at the time because we didn't know what we know now. And, um, and you were in New York. Yeah. In New York solo mish. Like it was, it was crazy. You know, there were like body freezers on the street. Like it was like really bad. And so not coincidentally, my anxiety was at an all time high and I was having skin issues. My scalp started getting like seborrheic dermatitis. I had a lot of stuff going on. The craziest and worst symptom that I had was pelvic pain. So it started literally pretty much exactly when the world shut down. And it basically felt like I had a UTI all the time for years.
5:49I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Years. Like, I saw every doctor. I did every workup. I did PT for my pelvic floor. I flew to Kentucky where a doctor told me I needed two years of antibiotics. Like, I would have gone to the end of the earth to figure that out. And I obviously assumed that there was something structurally, physically wrong with me. Fast forward, it's end of 2023. so I've been dealing with this for three full years now of just every day just burning pain and you know it's hard when you have like a pain that intense to think that it's anything other than medical and structural right and I discovered this woman Nicole Sachs who was put onto my radar by a friend at the time and it was it was kind of pre you know the world is kind of going in the the direction of nervous system regulation now, right?
6:42Thank God. But it was kind of pre that. And I'd heard the term a couple of times, but I was like, my issues are not that, right? Like I have like burning pain. There's no way that's happening, you know, from my head. And I discovered this woman's work and it was just one of those moments. I don't know if you guys have had those where something just clicks and you're like, that's my path. Like it was just, it was a ping. I don't know what else to call it, but I followed it. I got her book. I took her course. and within a couple of months the pain started to dissipate and i know it sounds insane it doesn't sound insane you know why no no let her finish let her finish i know he can't wait he can't wait about this he's literally frothing thank god go ahead uh you go ahead it basically the premise of this and we'll get more into it is that there is this condition called tms oh my god i'm gonna go in the other room on the tms tension meiosis syndrome yeah see i gotta go bye guys i told you i'm off i'm so glad you came okay we're gonna go down the wormhole now he literally is strapping on his tap dancing shoes no go on go ahead so i discovered tms i'm like that's me that's me that's me type a perfectionist overachiever has bottled it in my whole life subconscious down in the subconscious oh deep and I start her practice which is a 20 minute a day aggressive daily journal dump that's it that is literally all you do you're you're not just writing oh this is what I did this morning like it's nothing cute it is f this I hate that you're saying like the things that you would never want anyone in your life to hear you say and then you rip it up.
8:27I am telling you, there is nothing more impactful that I've done. I have been trying wellness things for 10 years. If everyone in the world did this practice, it would be an entirely different place. Have you ever read? Okay. So here's how I discovered this. And it's, this is what I was trying to explain to Lauren. I had this chronic back pain. I hurt myself as this whole thing. I remember you talking about it on a podcast. And I remember saying, Michael has TMS. I swear to God. I was getting a massage one day and the woman asked me like, And she was this older woman. And she said that she met this very wealthy guy in New York that had tried everything.
9:01He was like done everything. And one day he discovered this book by this guy named Dr. Sarno. Dr. Sarno. Yeah. And it was called Healing Back Pain. Everyone back can't forget it. And essentially, she's like, he said, after reading the book halfway through, the pain went away. And so I read this book. I was sitting next to bed in Lauren. And I told her and I learned about TMS. And the same thing as you was like, oh, I'm like, that's me. Subconscious, this, that. And what happens is, and I don't know if you experienced this. they basically say most people think they have this because it's triggered by some kind of injury, but then the injury is like...
9:30You hold on to the pain of the injury, which by the way, mine started with a UTI. My body remembered that pain and didn't let it go. Same with a lot of, and it messes with people because they think it's so structural because they threw their back out or whatever, or they had this sports injury and then their shoulder pain never went away. And that's like not possible. Yeah. And so what I found is like, and I recently got an x-ray and they're like, it's structurally really good on it. But it's exactly what you're saying. It's in our subconscious. And what I realized is that what I took away from it, and I don't know if it's the same for you, is that sometimes the pain in our subconscious is so great that we transfer the pain to a physical thing somewhere else.
10:07But as soon as you realize that that's what your mind is doing, is it's taking subconscious pain and moving it and you are aware of it, just the awareness alone makes the pain go away. That's what happened to me. Awareness and belief are two of the biggest pieces. That's why reading the book alone can mitigate pain. Hold on. How did you know to read this book specifically? I saw Nicole Sack's Instagram, who, by the way, was a patient of Dr. John Sarno and is basically carrying on his work because he's since passed. And I just saw her Instagram. I started looking through her content where I was like, by the way, you have to have her on the podcast.
10:41By the way, Lauren's writing this down now because you're telling her, but if I told her, she's not interested. No, I'm interested. It's just like, how interested can I be when you narrate everything. Go ahead. It's just so funny that you also. So I discover her Instagram. I look through some of her content. I immediately see myself in what she's talking about, similarly to you. And I go to her website. There's a course and there's a book. I buy both. And I just dive in because, by the way, the beautiful thing about a rock bottom, which I would definitely consider to be where I was at that point with my pain and just like life.
11:14The beautiful thing is that it opens you up to things that you maybe wouldn't have otherwise entertained. And a year prior, if you would have told me your bladder pain is TMS, I would have been like, you're out of your skull. So I think timing is really important for people. Not everyone is ready to hear this. I just so happen to be, thank God, ready at that time because I really needed it. And it changed everything. It changed my career. It changed my love life. Well, I would consider myself not so much, now I'm actually pretty open, but more resistant, more analytical than Lauren, not that she's not, but I would like meaning like I hear about some of this stuff that'd be labeled woo.
11:50And I'm like, I'm much more skeptical than Lauren. You've opened up so much. I've cracked you like a fucking egg. But to your point, what I would say for the people that fall into that camp that were more wired like me that are hesitant, that are like, no, where's the evidence? What's the advice for those people? This guy, Dr. Sarno starts his book by saying that he's writing it for doctors in the future that are be more open to this idea and this thought process that the subconscious is connected to more than we believed at the time he realized at the time he wrote it the medical community would really push back on it but then there's no ask in the book other than just understanding the symptom and the syndrome and if you're an analytical person just read that and if it works great and if it doesn't like whatever it's it's actually entertaining reading So how have you being closed off to that?
12:39How has this opened you up energetically moving forward? You know what I mean? I totally know what you mean. And in so many ways, because I was always someone that was like, oh, I should meditate. I should journal. But I would do those things because I was checking them off a list because I felt like I should. Right. Which is not the right way to be going about it. I didn't know any better. Obviously, I don't fault myself for that, it's shown me that there is something greater going on, right? That like there is that energy is real, that subconscious is real. I don't know. It's just deepened my belief and understanding in some of these practices that like if a daily journaling practice can make my debilitating pain go away, I don't know.
13:22What else can I do? I don't know. It's sort of just opened up my perspective to these kinds of things. Here's what it is for me too. It's like someone of means. I can talk to the best doctors and I can use the peptides and I can do all the best physical therapists and go to, none of it worked. None of those people helped not to diminish them. They like all the doctors, all the peptides, all the therapies that people do when they, when they're able to do it, didn't work. The only thing that worked for me was an understanding of this. And as soon as I understood it, the pain all went away and I was battling this for years.
13:53And you know, you saw it's like debilitating. And then you went and got your Atlas adjusted, which is amazing. But the point is, I look at it from the approach of if you're someone who's hesitant, which is definitely me, I did all the other things that all the doctors and everybody prescribed and all the medications and all the Western medicine and none of it worked. As soon as I did this and understood about this, it went away. So that's what sold me on this. And then as I've gotten older, it's clear to me that of course we bury trauma and of course we bury things in our subconscious and of course we're suppressing these, especially if you're wired how I think you and I are.
14:26Like my whole, my whole childhood was like, bury it down deep. Like don't, you know? And so if there's pain that I probably am not even aware of, like who knows what that's manifesting, what that's, what that's creating. So I've just, I think it's an awareness as soon as you become aware of it, that you are then able to kind of start dealing with it in the first place. A hundred percent. And I will just add that for the naysayers, which I totally get, that was me. You, me, a lot of them, we've tried everything. You name it, I have tried it. I've done the weirdest things, biomagnetism, bladder installations.
15:00I tried to go the medical route. By the way, I would have loved at the time for an antibiotic to fix this. Unfortunately, it was actually much deeper rooted than that. And it's a daily practice that I still do every single day. What do you think was, when I say causing it, meaning do you think it was from something when you were little or do you think it was a bunch of events that happened at once? So the premise of TMS in general, and I think this is what applies to me, is that your body would rather feel physical pain and discomfort and conditions than whatever is going on emotionally beneath the surface.
15:36So the way that it's described is it's sort of like a protective mechanism. Your body actually is always working for you. It's never working against you, even though we so often feel that way. And in this case, the rash, the pelvic pain was actually distracting me from all the emotional stuff going on internally. I was busy. I was running from appointment to appointment. I was obsessed. It became my whole schedule. And your body's like, yay, we're doing our job because she's not feeling whatever like pain and sadness. And by the way, I didn't have any big T traumas. So this doesn't necessarily mean that.
16:10Of course, it absolutely can. It can just be the little stuff that you suppressed and that adds up and that your body gets very used to kind of being in this like perma fight or flight. That's interesting. I have a rash that won't go away. I need to read the book maybe. What kind of rash? It's just like an eczema. It's like, no, it's just a rash on my legs that when I get stressed, it like acts up. I think the biggest takeaway is that - Start the journal. I'm going to start the so you're saying to do 20 minutes a day. Give us like give us a few lines from like if you're being really honest from a journal entry.
16:46Okay, so I like to start it and there's really no right or wrong way to do it. Everyone's always like trying to do it the perfect way, which is part of the TMS problem. I start with how does it feel to be me today? And like when I've been very nauseous recently, feels really fucking bad to be me today. I feel like I should be really grateful and instead I'm pissed. I feel like nobody understands. I feel like my husband doesn't understand. You let it rip. You say you hate things. You say you hate people. It's stuff that verbalizing even right now feels so shameful, right? You don't keep saying it out loud.
17:21You just write it down. Yeah, yeah. You're just writing it. Yeah. You're not saying anything. And yeah, it's the stuff that I feel like people's biggest mistake that they make, if you could make a mistake with journal speak, which is the name of the practice, is that they don't go the layer deep enough. They keep it surface. And with practice, you will uncover layers. It'll start with someone pissing you off at work. And the next thing you know, you'll be reminded of the fact that no one in your childhood took you seriously. And you always felt like your ideas were squashed. And that's why the girl that was copying you at work got to you.
17:58That's why it triggered you. Here's the thing that's great. When you get it out, and it's out. And then for me, the reason that I don't like, I would be like, I don't want to write that down because I don't want to have it as an affirmation, but I like the practice of tearing it up. Yes. So if you get it out and then you tear it up, that's what is intriguing to me. I think the biggest thing that I realized through this process is that the mind is much more powerful than you give it credit for. And like you use, you know, people talk about manifesting or that people talk about like positive minds, you don't realize like that it's also the opposite, like the negative thought process that are too painful to deal with that you bury super deep.
18:37They don't just go away. They're in there somewhere in the subconscious and then it translates to pain in other places. Like you may not even realize, like in my case, I like, I start thinking, I'm like, I don't know what kind of, but as I've gotten through going and going, I'm like, oh, there's probably some stuff there that is just, that I've just suppressed for a long time. And the mind's really good at kind of like making you forget and repositioning it to pain in other places. Well, it's really interesting because my favorite book on the planet is You Can Heal Your Life. I gift it to everybody.
19:04I love that book. And it's all about holding pain in certain areas. Like she talks about how sometimes people who have been molested will hold pain in their cervix and get cervix cancer or people who are dealing with problems with their father, the pain will go to their right hip. If you have problems with your mother it goes to your left hip and she and she talks about how what you're thinking and what you're feeling manifests in certain areas of the body for certain reasons she talks about breast cancer and she says that that can be from helping too much um and which makes sense because the breasts are used for feeding yes it's it's really it's what you guys are louise hey okay i need to read that i haven't read it you don't know that well i just want to go the family book i thought that's who you said but i just want to oh my goodness i thought that's who you said okay so No, but it's very much, it's almost like what you're saying is very much in her line of work.
19:57But what I like about what you guys are saying is the journal part, where you write it all out and you get it all out. Because you have to get it out. You can't bottle it in. Exactly. And by the way, this can come in so many different forms. You look at all these somatic practices and like energetic release and even just like sitting here shaking your hands, like it's getting rid of energy. And so many people bring up your point, Lauren, about well, if I'm writing all these negative things down, isn't that going to like manifest more negativity? And what I always say to that is those thoughts and feelings are there anyway.
20:27Right. You could either put them on paper and get them out or let them manifest as migraines and back pain. That is a very, very, very good point. And by the way, TMS is not just like for me, there's headaches, there's ulcers. Like if you go through the list of symptoms. So many things. Yeah. There's so many symptoms beyond like you might like you might be sitting there listening saying, I don't have back pain or headaches. Like there's a million different pain symptoms from this thing. What if you come across a journal entry that I've teared up that says, I'm going to fuck my husband up today.
20:57Oh, I thought it was going in the right direction. I do have a confession. I don't always rip mine up. And I just trust that my husband would literally never, because by the way, if he read it, I would know. It would show. That's interesting. If you read it, you would know. That's like my little book. And he just doesn't. I mean, I do my best to rip it up. Sometimes it just feels like a task at night. I do the writing before bed. Okay. Because I have more material for the day. And you do it every day. Every day. What do you think? Well, first, you have an announcement. Why don't you make the announcement?
21:30I am pregnant. Oh, we're announcing that on the show? Yes. Well, we should have like some kind of like balloons fall from the ceiling or something. Yeah, you should have something. Should have done the gender reveal here, guys. Yeah. So exciting. Congratulations. Thank you. How has this practice helped you with your pregnancy? Okay, two parts to this. The first part, I'm going to be really honest. First trimester has been absolutely brutal. And it's been very hard to show up for my practices. And I've had to kind of learn that some level of fluidity and flexibility has to be allowed. And that's also the case with journal speak, right?
22:07Like I do it every day for the most part. I had about a 300 day streak of doing it in a row. That's how dedicated I was. I've loosened the grip a little now. And I think that that's normal and should be the case. Like Nicole Sachs always says like this shouldn't be a lifelong prescription because then you're bound to it. Right. All of a sudden you're like holding it really tightly like everything else in life. Yeah. So I think there's been that piece that I just want to be honest about. The other piece is I feel like one of the greatest gifts you can give to your children, and I'm not a mother yet, is a regulated nervous system.
22:39Like to be not super reactive, to have like a baseline, to have a daily practice where you can release things and not take it out on them. And also just like from the idea of the environment that I'm building this child in. Like I like to think I'm decently regulated now after all this work. Doesn't mean I'm not susceptible to bad days. I've been definitely having them. But yeah, it's further motivation to be bringing life into this world to continue my practice. Also, and you mentioned this a little bit, but the environment that you're growing the baby in, you don't, for me, I didn't want to be anxious and depressed and upset.
23:19And you have to work at it. A regulated nervous system, you have to work at, I think. It's not a one and done. No, it's also constantly relearning. Like, I'll I'll meditate, like you said, for like a hundred days in a row. And then I'll stop for two weeks. And then I have to like relearn to like go back to it. It really is a practice. Yep. And it's like, I swear every time I get off the meditation train or even like with this journal speak break that I took because I was so nauseous, you have to like re-identify with being a person that does that. Right. You know what I mean? It's like this shift where you're like, oh, I can't do that anymore.
23:53I was bad. Yeah. And you just have to obviously rip the bandaid off and dive back in. But it's I think calling it for me solitude has been helpful. It's not necessarily a meditation or breath work or journaling or whatever. It's that I need a practice of solitude during the day. And if I don't get that, my body will actually wake me up in the middle of the night and have me lay there for 45 minutes to get quiet by myself. Because my body knows that it needs that, you called it a prescription of solitude. And I don't know if that's just being a mother of three kids, sometimes you don't get that solitude, but my body will wake me up and remind me to just be still because I play dead like an opossum all the time.
24:33Might be a cortisol issue, Lauren, but no, I play dead. I love playing dead. Your body's doing it for you. You'll see when, if you have three kids, you're going to play dead. I pretend like I'm asleep when I'm awake, fully awake, fully awake, pretending I'm asleep. Just full opossum. And don't start being like, are you asleep? Are you awake? Cause that's offensive. No, but I think like the, you know, I always, I hear these guys and girls talking about these extensive routines and practices before they have children. And what I would, when I think about that, I'm like, oh, well, you know, like if I even need to go and put my shoes on and walk outside the door now, it takes like, I have to take five deep breaths and figure out how I'm going to get out.
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25:09Right. So like, listen, again, people parent and it's hard, but I think you have to be even more intentional when you have children because the time gets tighter and you're constantly interrupted and somebody always needs something from you. And so it's harder. And I think for parents listening out there, like it's easy to let a lot of this stuff fall by the wayside and stop taking care of yourself because all of a sudden you have these kids that are demanding so much of you. And so like, I think having these practices in advance and just like being a little bit kinder to yourself, knowing that like, it's not going to be perfect, especially when the kid's here.
25:40Yes. Your recent engagement was something that you said you manifested. Talk to us about that. Yes. Okay. So going back to when I discovered journal speak end of 2023, I think it was, I was in a relationship that I knew was like coming to an end that had been very long term. And I ended up ending that relationship. I actually saw, and I feel like you'll appreciate this, a psychic around that time who was like, so this was February of 24. And she said, I was going through the breakup, looking for a little guidance. And she was like, at this time next year, you're going to be engaged. And I was like, Jamie, you're out of your skull.
26:28There's no way. Like, I just got out of a relationship. I also moved very slowly. She described my now husband literally perfectly to a T. I'm going to need the psychic number. I got you. But we got to keep Jamie tight. And I know a lot of people are going to reach out about her. Oh, by the way, she's in Texas. Perfect. Can't wait. Right. So, so I have that call. Simultaneously, I'm doing a lot of manifestation work because I had gone through this breakup and I had just discovered journal speak and I was starting to feel better. And I was, um, I was just feeling motivated. Right. I had started actually the to be magnetic, you know, Lacey Phillips.
27:05I don't, I saw that on our notes. She's amazing. Okay. Tell us about that as you're telling the story. So she has this program called to be magnetic that I actually started at the end of 23. And she has like an end of year challenge that's, she is like the queen of like neural manifestation and neural plasticity, was very early to the manifestation game. And she has these programs where she basically like helps you to rewire your thoughts. She has these things called deep imaginings that are like sort of self-hypnosis. And the idea is that we manifest from our subconscious, not from our thoughts.
27:41And so this is where I think it gets really interesting with the nervous system stuff, because I believe that our external world is a reflection of our internal reality. And it makes so much sense because when I was in so much pain, I was also in the wrong relationship. I also felt stuck with work. And when I started to shift that, like there was just this momentum that could not be stopped. You're out of alignment. Exactly. All of a sudden my health problems got better. I met my now husband. I started a podcast that's like definitely aligned with my purpose. everything shifted. And so I think meeting Clayton was a big part of that.
28:14And I really like worked hard at it. I did the To Be Magnetic Challenge. I made this list of my perfect partner and I worked on changing myself internally so that like my vibration matched the person that I wanted to be with. Yes, that is so important. That, in my opinion, is how you meet the right partner. You cannot sit there and ask for all this stuff from a partner and have this laundry list of things and not be vibrating and having the same things within you. It's like one of my friends, I was, I told the story before on air. He's sitting there telling me that he wants a girl with perfect teeth.
28:52She's got to have perfect teeth and a perfect ass and a thigh gap. And I'm like, let me see your ass. Let's see your thigh gap. And what your teeth are literally rotting out of your skull. They're yellow. I said that to him. I'm like, this is not fair. You cannot expect all these things when you are not embodying the things as well. No, but really what it is, is like Lauren, like if you explain it in vibration or alignment, whatever it's, it's fine. But for people that are not into those words, it's really this, it's, it's really this like false expectation that you deserve greatness when you're also not taking care of the things that you need to be taking care of yourself.
29:29And it's this, it's this idea that like, it's an external problem and that you are not the problem. That's the thing that I see and hear so much with my girlfriends. And just, I was that. I was like, there's no men in New York. You know, it was like the narrative is a them problem. It's always, the problem always is beyond them and outside of them. Yes. Not men and women. Or it's the government. Or it's the way they were raised. Or it's the place they live. But until anyone takes personal accountability for the things that are not going right in their life and realizes that they are to blame most likely and that it's not external circumstances, nothing will change.
30:07Imagine if I was running this company and every time something went wrong, I'm like, oh, this team member, oh, fucking Carson didn't produce the show. Oh, that's just brand. The company would go to the ground. A lot of leaders do that and they wonder why they don't have companies. But if instead you say, you know what? Everything's my fault. I didn't give the right direction. I didn't look at that the right way. I didn't listen. I didn't hear. I cannot wait to replay this clip when we get in a fight. Yeah, but and vice versa. But the point is, is like, I think sometimes people are talking about like alignment and vibration, all that.
30:35It really is a personal accountability thing. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it really is required of us to take accountability for ourselves and see where, you know, a lot of people look at breakups or past relationships as these failures. And it's like, what was I doing wrong? That like, that's where I was at, that that's what I attracted. Yeah. Well, it's much easier to blame things around you than to look inward and say, oh, you know, I'm probably not living the way that I know I could be if I actually took some personal account. Yeah. I think that's an important point, though, when you're if you're dating someone and you break up, it's like what you mentioned early.
31:10What frequency were you vibrating at to attract that? And if you change that. And by the way, that's a good point. Your partner may be a total piece of shit, but you are the one that is attracting and putting up with that piece of shit. Right. Like it's not. So I'm not I'm not saying that, like, there aren't bad partners or bad circumstances or bad parents or bad jobs or bosses. but you have to own your part in that and like why you're staying or why you're accepting or why you're still participating. We're not blaming, but there is some level of tolerance that happens in these relationships, even if it's just a stale relationship.
31:43So what happens when you get engaged? The psychic was right. Psychic was right. She was off by four weeks. I mean, that's pretty insane. Really cool. She also said that I was going to be pregnant and I am. I know, right? and she called out the gender. She also said that my next round of kids will be twins. So let's just put that here right now and we'll see what happens, but that would be insane. Is there twins in your husband's family? My dad's a twin, my grandpa's a twin, and I have twin cousins. Oh, wow. Twins are wild. Wild. I don't know. We haven't experienced that, but whenever I see people doing that, I'm like, whoa, that's intense.
32:23It's crazy. You have to basically double up on everything at the same time. And they're feeding off of each other and it's madness. Yeah, that is madness. Yeah, parents that can do that, I'm like, damn, you're on a different level. Superheroes. So now you get engaged and what are you vibrating at? What's the differences between you with your previous relationship to now with the person you're with? I would say that with Clayton, there has always been, from the day I met him, a certainty that he was my person. And I know that that's not the case for everyone. So I'm not saying that that's prescriptive.
33:01But I think he and I had just been holding out for it to feel really, really right and to not ever settle. I think, unfortunately, a lot of people settle. And we both felt that way from the beginning. And then with engagement, it was also not one of those things where I was like, when are we going to get engaged? Like, what's the timeline, And blah, blah. I just knew. There was just this confidence and knowingness in the relationship, I think, on both of our sides. There was never any pressure. We just knew how it would go. We knew we'd get married. And that's how it all worked out. I think that that's attractive, too.
33:34When you have the confidence that you don't, you're not like, where's the ring? When's this? That confidence, I think, to me, is sexy. I'm not touching that topic with a 10-foot pole. Touch it. No, not. Why? Next question. I'm just going to do that. Give your perspective. You're the male in the room. That's why I'm not giving the perspective. Why? Because I don't want to hear about. You can use us as an example. I'm not commenting. What's your perspective? I'm not commenting. Why? Because I already get enough flack as it is. All right. All right. It's also, I'll save Michael here. It is also applicable to dating, I think.
34:07This, again, energetics, vibration. Is there this desperation to your dating patterns where you're like, I have to meet a husband, like the clock is ticking, blah, blah, blah. or are you like where I was when I met him? Confident in who you are, really happy living alone and being solo and being like, God, if I bring somebody into my life, they've got to really add to it because it's good. Okay, no, I will say something. I think subconsciously, nobody wants to feel like you're a person's only option. Yeah. Like, I don't want to date someone and feel like I'm the only option for them. And I think vice versa, you don't want to be with someone where you feel like you're their only option.
34:48Like I think - It's a weird energy. I've been married for a hundred years and I still have options. Don't ever forget it. Hell yeah. My options are going up by the day. Options. My dating profile would be like Lauren Bostick's ex. That's all I would say. They'll be like, are we doing Thanksgiving with Lauren? I'd probably use photos of you. Who cares about you? I'd use photos of you and me. Yeah, I'd use photos of - You'd use a photo of you and me? Yeah, for sure. For sure. You just like put the default so it's just my face? Of course, because you validate me as the guy. They'd be like, if she would have wanted this guy, then maybe there must be something going on.
35:22That's actually insanity. It's not insanity. The girls out there know it's true. All the girls know it's true. You're just some guy holding a fish. That's not good. But if you got - So your Raya profile is going to say Lauren Bostick's ex? Yes. Okay. For sure. Just so we're clear. I got the profile reserved. All right. I don't like sloppy seconds. So whoever gets them, it's fine with me. you never know if it's your sloppy seconds people might say the stock is rising maybe maybe um okay so talk to me a little bit about what you just said about inner confidence and and not attracting people things relationships because i think that's really important um okay so outside of the relationship piece i'm going to talk about it as it pertains to my job because i think that's kind of like another area that i've grown in through this sort of just getting my inner world rearranged confidence in work, in the way that you speak about things, in the way that I feel like now with my work, I only do things that feel really good.
36:21There's like a different level of self-worth, I think, that has increased in all these areas. Dating definitely was one of them where you're like, I don't know. I just I have no choice but to be authentically myself. And so I just feel like it shows up in a different way and people have a different level of attraction to it. There's like a different level of magnetism that I think people that are just super authentically themselves because you're no longer like fighting who you innately are. I think you are so spot on. You know what else I think it is? I think people feel safe with those people because they feel there's a lack of judgment.
37:00Yeah. Like whenever I'm around people that are just themselves with all their quirks and weird things, but also like just them, I feel like those people are much more open to not judging my weird quirks or what's strange about like, you know what I mean? There's a safety to it. Yeah. I think that's why we're attracted to those people because there's nothing worse than feeling like somebody's judging you. They're super stiff, right? And they're like looking at you for perfection. Yes. And you hear it in the way that they talk about other people because none of us are immune to that if they're talking shit or judging other people, then you're probably doing it to me too.
37:35Yeah. It's like a person who's constantly criticizing. It gets tiring. And by the way, it's because they're probably criticizing themselves. Right. Right. When you talk to your girlfriends in New York City and they sit there and they say, oh, easy for you to say, Elizabeth, you found your person in a year. You're pregnant now. There's no guys in New York. You mentioned they say that. How do you coach them? And someone's listening and they're doing that. That's a great question. I mean, I think it is getting really clear on what they want. A list of things is very helpful. Agreed. And not just the perfect smile and the perfect butt.
38:16Like we're talking how does that person actually make you feel? So those kinds of qualities. Obviously, looks are part of it too. And like play around, have fun with it. but getting really really clear and then to your guys point earlier like doing the own work on yourself so that you match that this is not fair if you're just expecting someone to be this perfect specimen but you're kind of like not treating yourself or your body or your life or works and taking yourself seriously um and then i would also say energetically opening yourself up to this kind of stuff really helps um whether that means getting on a dating app even though you've kind kind of not been feeling it or going out with your friends more.
38:55You do have to like, to some degree, kind of be about the town a little bit. Like you got to be moving. You got to be moving. You got to what Lacey Phillips always say says is you have to take aligned action. You can't just make the list and then sit back and go, God, why is nothing happening? Aligned action is important. I think there's a lot of people who want, I call it forever students that want to do the list and listen to the podcast and do all the wellness things, but they don't want to take that action. Yes. No, but as it relates, even to some of my guy friends, they complain about not being able to meet certain kinds of women.
39:29And then like, but the only time they're trying is like, if they're out at a bar or a nightclub, not to say that people shouldn't do that. But I'm like, do you ever go like the woman you're describing is maybe not out at 2 a.m. like at that bar, right? I always say that to my friend. You think your husband is at that club? Yeah. It's like, well, my husband, if I was looking for a husband right now, it's not at a club. I hate to break it up. I will see some of the behaviors that they're doing and some of the like, maybe a boardroom. Things they're describing. And I'm like, does that person exist in these places?
40:00I don't know that this time of night, it's maybe. Absolutely not. Maybe randomly, but. Yeah. I feel like my person would be having a leisurely lunch in a boardroom at a bookstore traveling. I think I would meet my person between the hours of like 12 and 7. I don't think any later. Daylight hours. I feel like my guy would be on a veranda. Maybe he's reading a beat up book. Playing tennis. He's probably journaling. You're my only girl, so I'm not going to describe where my person would be. That's where I would be. I wouldn't be at the club. I will also just add because it's on brand. I met my husband in a Pilates class.
40:41So your husband was doing Pilates. See, that's a good move. Let me tell you about that. Your husband's smart, number one. And number two, a man that does Pilates, zoom in on the camera. Limber guy. No, that's quiet confidence. I like that. No, but think about it. Class of girls. Amazing. By the way, probably strategic also. Yeah, of course. It's very strategic. I mean, think about it. You got some of these guys are running around at 2 a.m. at last call and you got this guy and he's in the Pilates class with all girls. So does he walk up to you in like the sticky socks? Okay. So the craziest part is we had a friend that was like trying to set us up and she put us in the same place at the same time at Casa Cipriani years ago.
41:23And we met, we had like a cute conversation over the table. I said to my friends, I'm going to marry that guy, which like their jaws were on the table. I'm not the kind of person that has literally said that about a man ever. And I went home that night. I couldn't sleep because I was like, like that was just, I just had a weird feeling that Monday morning. That was a Saturday night. My assistant set up a class. I was reviewing workouts at the time for sweats in the city. She set up a random Pilates studio. I'd never been to. I go to the class. It's a six reformer class and he's on the machine next to me.
41:54He was a regular in that class. We still go to the studio now together. What's the pickup line when he's on the reformer? I can't remember because all I can think about is the fact that I wore a purple romper to the class and I was so upset about my outfit. I feel like you would like that though. Purple romper. That sounds kind of hot. He says he was into it. But you know when you just don't, you're not feeling yourself in a class. Yeah. It was one of those days. Okay. That's me every time in a Pilates class. In a purple romper. No, no, meaning not feeling myself. Just looking not flexible and flopping all over the place.
42:26I want to talk to you about, and we're taking a right turn, about business. You left a stable corporate job at Bloomberg to co-found Sweats in the City. How did that happen and how did it get you to here? Because you're doing other things now. I want to hear the business journey. Yes. Okay. So I moved to New York City in 2015 to start a job at Bloomberg after graduating from University of Michigan. And I worked that job for several years. my roommate and I at the time started sweats in the city which was like a um a review platform for boutique fitness studios in New York City which was like really growing at the time um and I remember sitting at my desk at Bloomberg and we got an Estee Lauder partnership this was like partnerships were just starting to come through and it was like a daytime event and my partner at the time Dale and I were emailing back and forth like on the Bloomberg computer which I got in trouble for.
43:25And we had to skip the event because we both had day jobs. And I remember in that moment being like, we have to turn this into our full time gig. Like, I can't keep turning things like this down. It felt like a huge deal. I was like, Estee Lauder wants us to come and pay us to come to do this day. And so fast forward, we started getting organized. We started figuring out partnerships and, you know, working on like our monthly average so we could support ourselves. I had zero financial support from my family or anybody. So I really needed to make it work if we were going to do it. And eventually we got there and we grew it together and she was able to quit her job at the same time.
44:02And so we did it for almost 10 years. Wow. We survived COVID, which was really challenging because we couldn't review workouts. We started a fitness app during that time and sourced all the different instructors from all the studios that we had been reviewing. and then this past summer I was simultaneously doing my podcast that I started in 24 and I felt that same feeling of when I was at Bloomberg and I was like I don't feel aligned with what I'm doing every day anymore I feel like I'm someone who needs to be like I'm all in or I'm all out you know there's like no gray area in career for me and I just started to feel like you know the stuff that I really wanted to talk about, the alternative healing modalities, the chronic pain, like the stuff that I really felt like had happened to me because it was my purpose to be talking about, felt like there wasn't fully a place for it if I was doing both.
44:58And so this past August, I transitioned to doing my podcast and Instagram account full time, the wellness process. And yeah, I mean, it's been an evolution. And I really wouldn't have thought that a girl from a small town in Michigan who could barely afford to live in New York City on my Bloomberg salary could be working for myself, let alone like starting multiple companies. And does Sweats in the City still exist? Yes. So Dale is still running it in L.A. and it's more L.A. focused now. And she's doing like fitness reporting and holding it down. So you guys are both doing what feels harmonious for you.
45:34Exactly. And I think people feel that. Well, what's cool about the previous experience, too, is I think when people get into this business and they're creating things and from the outside, sometimes it looks easy. Yeah. Right? If you've never done it, it's like, oh, it must be nice. It's like take pictures or talk on a mic. But there's a lot of work. And I think that what people quickly realize is it requires a lot of work ethic. So the Bloomberg experience, like I'm sure that was a grind all the time. And so it sets you up to understand, like it's not just, you have the work ethic and the discipline to carry on your own thing and to stay consistent with it.
46:04Where a lot of times people get into this space, not even just this medium. And they're like, oh, there's real work that takes place here. A hundred percent. I'm so grateful for my background. I studied economics. I've always been like a finance girl. I was selling Bloomberg terminals. So it was very financially focused. And then I switched over into ad sales, which then really applied to when I was managing myself with Sweats in the City, because that's basically what you're doing is ad sales. You know, you're selling your own ad space. So it was definitely a grind, not easy, but doable if it's something that you really feel like your purpose is tied in.
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52:35Like I said, all three of my babies don't settle for less than evidence-based support. Save 25 % off your first month at ritual.com slash skinny. That's ritual.com slash skinny for 25 % off your first month. You mentioned alternative wellness modalities. What does that look like for you? What are the things that you reach for besides your journal dump? What is it called? Journal speak? Journal speak. Journal speak. What are the other things that you love? You know, if I'm being honest, I used to lean on these tools a lot more before I discovered the journal speak work. Wow. That's really been like really impactful for you because yeah, I felt like I had to be running from appointment to appointment.
53:16So now I keep it to just things that I purely am enjoying. And I feel like I leave feeling totally refreshed. Lymphatic drainage. By the way, I saw your girl yesterday, Irina. Yes. For the face body. Okay. Oh my God. Yeah. That was crazy. I've tried a hundred lymphatic drainage massages and it was spectacular. Two best lymphatic in Austin is Josie. I love her for the body. And then also Irina does the best face massage. It is like insane. It's a Russian technique. She's special. Yeah. So thank you for that gem. And then things like acupuncture and I mean, honestly, I don't do a ton. I do Pilates.
54:00I do acupuncture every couple of weeks. If there's a great massage, I'll dabble. But I'm not into, we were talking in the beginning about like extensive routines. I'm not an extensive routine girl anymore because I just find that it was becoming stressful. Well, I feel like once you clear out a lot of the stuff in the mind and the subconscious and the way you talk to yourself, like what a lot of people do is they have these huge routines, which are great and fine because they are not addressing a lot of the stuff that they need to address. And so you need those routines to feel good. You need intense.
54:31You need all these things to kind of distract you. But once you deal with that, like, and you're in a good place, then you can kind of just enjoy those things sporadically. You know what I mean? Your baseline raises. And so I feel like you become a lot more resilient to other things. Like I used to be so sensitive. I would get allergies. That's another big TMS thing. Seasonal allergies. Like so many things where I would eat dairy and gluten and my stomach would be so bloated. It doesn't happen anymore. Like I'm pretty, I'm pretty thick skinned now. um i don't know if that's the right word but i just feel like um i'm less fragile and less in need of all these services yeah i mean like even things like and again i know it's important don't touch the phone for an hour in the morning but people talk about like if you do it like oh my god my day's derailed and i can't then i went so i'm like guys if the phone is affecting you that much again like it shouldn't like i could pick up my phone first thing in the morning look at it like yeah it's probably not good i put it down and i go about my day i'm not like oh my god my life is derailed and I don't know what to do for them.
55:29These things should not be this disruptive. Exactly. There was literally people raiding villages and killing your family in past generations. Like we got to be able to look at the phone. Whenever I hear this shit, I'm like, God damn, people got to talk. I don't want to look at my phone. By the way, me either. But you get my point. I'm like, you were like, literally you got a cold in the past and you died in two days. I just don't. I just don't. I don't want to look at it. I understand. I'm not compelled by it in the morning. Honestly, to be honest with you, it's a turnoff. It's like, ugh. It is.
55:59The point is, is that like we got to like get to a place where like not everything is so disruptive to our mental state of being. You know what I do feel like you would like though, just from talking to you? Tell me. Cranial sacral. Love. Okay. Literally did it. You feel like a cranial sacral person. Such a cranial sacral. And actually I just sent my husband a screenshot of a girl that I found in New York who does it for babies. I was just going to tell you that I bet you it's the same person I have a person in New York member that came to see Bond I bet you it's the same person if it's not though I'm going to tell you who it is off air but there's a woman that sees babies and you have to do it I think everyone do what you think for me I did it right when he was born and we've been doing it and it's amazing Great.
56:49It's amazing for tongue ties. It's amazing if they had a traumatic birth, which most births are obviously traumatic. Of course. And there's so many benefits to it. I don't like that you have to do the disclaimer saying, do what works. But my whole thing is sometimes people will give shit to people that you talk about these things that you're doing, what works for you. Oh, yeah, of course. A lot of people just say, like, drink lemon water and exercise. But they're not telling you about the whole thing. Again, you don't have to do it, but I don't feel this disclaimer. or like when people say it's overwhelming, it's too much.
57:18Like you don't have to do any of that, but at least we're going to tell you what it is we're doing. The way that I like to look at it, and I totally get that. And having a wellness podcast myself, it's like I like to provide people with a menu. Here's what's working for me. Here's what's not. Here's some ideas. Take with it what you will. I don't believe wellness should be a copy and paste. I think there was an era of everyone sharing their morning routine and their nighttime routine and all of us beating ourselves up because ours didn't look like that. It needs to be fluid. It needs to be, okay, I like what Lauren was doing there.
57:48I'm going to take it. And it also needs to change with the seasons. This rigidity is actually way worse for us than grabbing your phone in the morning or not having the lemon water. I posted about nicotine the other day, which by the way, for people that are wondering about that, I smoke cigars for years. I take nicotine. He loves a cigarette. Not anymore. It's too much. I drink alcohol regularly. I like the occasional cigarette. We had a bottle of wine last night and we came over here. But my point is, I'm not saying people need to do that. I'm very well aware that there are negative effects if you have too much nicotine, if you have too much alcohol.
58:22Also, we have our friends and Maha friends come on the show. I have no interest in going and sitting at an alcohol-free dinner and talking about peptides with them. None whatsoever. Boring. Going to drink multiple alcohol drinks when I'm out and going to have fun. But the point is, we also, 80 % of the time, are into all of these wellness things. We're into taking care of it. we worked out this morning as well. Like some of these practices and people like, oh, you're a wellness person. It drives me nuts because I'm like, listen, like the reason that I take care of myself and I'm well is so that I can also enjoy vices once in a while.
58:55Like if I can't do that, like for me, you also like there's there's a component of being free and enjoying and having fun and being social that I think is being lost sometimes on the wellness community. 100 % I do not want to go and sit in a sweaty sauna and cold plunge with nine of my bros all the time maybe once in a while but there's other things that I want to do and so like people write in like I can't believe you would talk about nicotine and I'm like if anyone has a good cigar recommendation I will take it I do I think that for us and we are often put in the wellness category we are well 80 % of the time, but you better bet your ass the other 20 % I'm having fun.
59:37I like to have fun. I would drink people under the table. I love it. No problem. I like a shot of tequila. I like to have fun. The point is, is I love listening to people that are deep into wellness because to your point, I'm taking things and elements from what they're doing. It's like, oh, that's a really good idea. Or I'd love to try that. Or yeah, like that's, of course I want to get my sleep under control, like all these things. Yeah. But I'm not beating myself up if I decide to go on vacation with my friends or go out for a night and have a glass of wine with my wife or smoke an occasional cigar.
1:00:07You know, like I don't I don't look at it as a failure. I look at it as like, OK, that's why you take drugs and rock and roll 20 percent of the time. I think that wellness is not black and white and people love to bucket it as such. And I get a lot of flack for that because I get Botox. I take an SSRI things that don't necessarily mesh with Being a little bit more crunchy and the other things that I love It's okay to have a blend You don't have to be married to being one way or the other and you're we are all allowed to pick what works for us You don't have to be anything. I think that's what makes people uncomfortable is uh, i'm blowing up the box I'm lighting it on fire.
1:00:45I'm smashing it and throwing it away. I I want to work with mcdonald's so bad i love mcdonald's and i eat mcdonald's and my manager told me lauren they don't think you eat mcdonald's i love mcdonald's i used to work at mcdonald's employee of the month 2004 delmar location guys i'm learning a lot but no but the point is is i i think that people they i think the majority of people that we all speak to the the majority of viewers listeners on your show on this show, they want to adopt this 80-20. They want to have fun sometimes. They also want to take care of themselves and their family. They want to avoid the things consistently that they know are causing long-term harm.
1:01:30But once in a while, they're going to go out and let it loose a little bit and they don't want to beat themselves up about it. And I think sometimes people that have shows like this that lean too far and are maybe too extreme with something, you can make people feel bad about themselves and you can make them feel like they're not doing enough and that they're not taken care of. And I just don't think that's realistic. So my message to I think the majority of people is enjoy your life. Take care of yourself the majority of the time. Do the things you know you should be doing. Don't go over the rails.
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1:07:37Head to pvolve.com slash skinny and use code skinny for 15 % off site-wide or on class packs at a Pvolve studio near you. And definitely grab this kit, you guys. Because like I said, once it's gone, it's gone. Lauren Bostic for Pvolve. Where are you at now? You obviously are pregnant. What does your life look like today? Tell us about your podcast, where your energy is going today. Okay. So my podcast is called The Wellness Process Podcast. It's on Dear Media. which was one of my big manifestations, as was this conversation. So thank you guys. That's how this happened. Remember? You have to tell them how this happened.
1:08:14Okay. So I did a post at the end of last year, a reel, I think it was, on my Instagram at the wellness process pod. And I was talking about all the things I was showing my mood board versus my reality. And there were so many things. It was like my wedding day. It was my engagement ring. And I was like, going on your podcast was on the mood board. And you commented and you were like let's make it happen that's cool that's so cool i died when i saw that i saw i got served your content like it was on my um for you page and i saw and i watched it and i thought holy shit she has to come on and i had followed you and stuff but it also got served to me that's a wild followed you yes but then it got served that's wild no but we love stuff like that i mean there's like there's a lot of people that we've admired along the way we're same thing we're like we hope one day that we could be featured with them and then it happens it's like like I never want to forget that feeling like I think it's super important to to continue to do that and to bring other people up right like absolutely you have your own incredible platform but like we know firsthand what it's like to like do that same thing with that same process or thought process so go on with where you're at today okay so doing the podcast I do a lot of Instagram content around wellness things.
1:09:34I'm having a baby in the fall, which is definitely going to be my focus at that time. And I will just tease that I'm simultaneously building something that actually I want to talk to you about afterwards, Lauren, because it's a problem that I know you've had. And it solves something that I've talked a lot about. And it's not matcha. It's not matcha. Are you a matcha person? Huge. What's the best matcha? Well, I just left Japan last week, so it's really hard to say because I just got back to New York and everything tastes like trash. And I just had a really bad one at the Santa Monica proper this morning, or the Austin proper.
1:10:09Somebody said the other day that if it's Japanese, it's probably good. Like if you're a novice and you don't really know. General rule of thumb, you want like a single origin from Japan. My sister told me that when she was in Japan, there was a guy on the side of the road making matcha and he was making a marshmallow and stretching the marshmallow to put in the matcha. She said she is fucked for life after going there. How do we get the marshmallow here? I don't know, but she said it's not the same. It messes you up. Big time. Yeah. Okay. So there's no brand. You're constantly comparing to that over there.
1:10:43Yeah. I mean, it's fantastic. It's so vibrant and green and delicious and it just hits me so much better than coffee. Huh. All right. Are you on the train or no? I love Chroma. Okay. Chroma has this matcha powder that I'm obsessed with. And I really like it because, one, I'm an investor, but I invested because I'm such a fan. Yeah. It has protein in it. Khalil at Sun Life Organics does a good matcha. He does do it. I love that guy. He does a good matcha. Because he's fanatical about the sourcing. I think he hiked the mountains in Peru. He was definitely in there. There you go, Khalil. Another free one for you.
1:11:18but chroma has a good one you do two scoops and i think it's like 20 grams of protein with some raw milk oh i love that it's so good because then you're also having like a simultaneous breakfast yeah it's perfect especially pre-workout it's perfect i like much and i can't do coffee i figured out after 12 it's such a bummer wait what do you mean i just can't do it after 12 because she slams like these espresso drinks or something afternoon yeah and she was like 12 sleep. No, don't make me out to be like a coffee psycho. I have two. No, I know. But the timing is too late. And so then she can't sleep and she was wondering why.
1:11:52And I said, it's just too late to consume it. Yeah. If you're sensitive to it. I'll be interested when you start your journal speak if the sleep improves. I'm going to try journal speak. I think the best time for me is before bed. There's more material. Yeah. I would do a first thing in the morning before you interact with me. Really? Get it out of the way. Yeah. Okay. Are you going to do yours first? I do mine. you do you do a journal yeah i do all the time i'll be snooping around your office to find it oh i'm a snoop no see that's messed up right because i would not read your journal i'd feel like you should not do it i feel like your husband knows not to read it you know like i am quite nosy like my husband you really want to see what's like bouncing around in my brain absolutely i don't personally i want to see you gotta get the demons i'll be looking around where's the composition notebook or is it in the black one with the thing that's wrapped around decoy journals that just compliment you and then I have the real one no little snoop never heard a fly you don't do a little snoop you do the whole she's so invasive all my stuff yeah she's like deep in my text I like to take the cadaver lay it on the table and play operations yeah of course no she's like deep in there with like messages for like she's like why are you sending this I'm like what that's from like 2009 what are you doing in there what do you got into my old Facebook messages from when I I was in college.
1:13:09I like to like remind him like who he married and like how on it I am and that I could be juggling a lot. But don't forget I'm an octopus. Options. Yeah. You never know what you're going to get. I know. Well, all right. That's what it takes to be married to me. Elizabeth, where can everyone find you, follow you, support you, watch your pregnancy experience? Where can everyone see, say hi, all the things? Okay, so my podcast is called The Wellness Process Podcast. It's on Dear Media, so you can find it anywhere that podcasts exist. My Instagram is at the wellness process pod or my personal account is at Elizabeth Arrigo, my new name.
1:13:51And I also am on Substack, The Wellness Process, which I have been loving. Everyone's loving Substack. Oh, it is so fun. I go so deep on there. It is such a safe space. I love it. Is it safe just because of like it's curated to the people that are only there for you? You don't get like. Barriers to entry help. I mean, listen, the Internet can only be so safe, but it just feels like a more supportive community because it's more effortful to get there and to read. Love Substack, but I can tell when someone's writing it on AI. I got to call it out. I'm so sick of the chat GPT. It's so obvious. And it's not just the double line dashes because I just use those in general.
1:14:27It's the style. It's the two sentences and then another line down. and it's like, it's painful. There is a rhythm and a stucco that's like cadence. And it's, you can smell it. So - You know how I think about AI and I could be completely wrong about this and somebody will maybe play it in the future. You know, in the early days of Facebook advertising when you would see like Dr. Oz on there and you'd be like, oh my God, it's Dr. Oz talking about a supplement. And it turned out it was not and it was total bullshit and it was like a total fake landing page with like some whatever. Yes. I feel like that's where we're at with AI right now where people are like still confused.
1:15:00like is it AI or not? But I think humans over time will get so good at spotting when it is versus when it's not and that we are going to crave more of when it's not, not more of when it is. Does that make sense? We're getting attuned to it. Yeah. And like you'll start to see like you'll in like you now like I'm noticing running the company. I can tell if someone's doing a chat GPT email to me. I can tell if it's a chat GPT or or Claude response. And so what I think over time we will be so in tune to when it's AI versus when it's human and people are going to crave the human more. It's like the new version of like Facetune.
1:15:35Remember back in the day when we were all just Facetuning the shit out of everything? And then we all got an eye for it and we were like, oh, I can see right through that. Or like FaceApp when everyone was doing FaceApp. Everyone had a new face and new teeth. Or you know now, even when you see like an AI, like you can tell much faster now, even if it's getting better, like the assets are getting better, but you're there's something that we just inherently recognize is not human and i think that maybe i'm wrong maybe someone will play this and like no you're completely wrong it's gonna get so good but i all your friends will be fucking robots in a couple years but even then like when you're fucking a robot you're also aware that you're fucking a robot and you have to really look deep in yourself like you're like it's gonna be hard to you're gonna realize that what you're gonna you're gonna read like i am gonna be aware that i'm doing that behavior oh you're gonna fuck robot i'll probably try it if it's not considered you're gonna try it i'm just kidding i won't i consider that cheating so everyone gets that on film i consider fucking robots cheating i think that okay you know like we have instincts and and animal instincts because we're animals and there's something about and like a knowing energy when you can tell if something is manufactured versus when it's not of course and i think that that is never going to go away elizabeth came on here to share her story and you're talking about fucking robots at the end so sorry about you're talking about it you asked if i would do it and i said well i just gotta make i gotta try things out more like i can't no not experience too much for me conversation with range yeah all right elizabeth thanks for coming on the show definitely come on again after you become a mom i would love that because i think you're gonna have so many tips and tricks and takeaways for the audience 100%.
1:17:16Thank you guys so much for having me. You're welcome. Congratulations.
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