How To Naturally Lift & Sculpt Your Face, Define Your Jawline & Age Better Without Injectables

24 Sep 2026 · 1 h 3 min · 30 chapters

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In short

Natural facial sculpting for a defined jawline and more youthful aging without relying on injectables. The hosts argue that “wrinkles” are secondary to underlying structural support (bones, muscles, fascia, lymph flow) and that modern soft diets, mouth breathing, and poor tongue posture reduce jaw and midface development.

Guests

Lauren Bostick and Michael Bostick (the Bosticks). Lauren shares personal history of double jaw surgery at age 25 and became focused on facial manipulation/lymphatic work afterward. She also discusses working with a myofunctional therapist for her kids’ tongue posture and mentions a specialty dentist (Dr. Pia Gandhi) for tongue-tie release. Michael contributes questions and discussion about posture, airway, and jawline routines.

Key claims

The face has 42+ muscles; exercising them plus massage/lymphatic drainage can build facial framework. Chewing harder foods in childhood supports forward jaw growth; soft foods/pouches can contribute to receding jaws. Tongue posture (glued to the roof of the mouth) provides “upward support” to the maxilla and helps prevent hollow under-eyes. Neck flexibility and fascia release reduce “pulling down” (e.g., platysma/SCM tension) and improve lymph drainage. GLP users may lose jaw strength due to reduced chewing. Filler/Botox can overcompensate for structural issues and may look “pillow face” if lymph/fascia aren’t addressed.

Notable examples

Childhood jaw recession from reduced chewing; double jaw surgery leading to facial manipulation interest; tongue-tie clipping improving a child’s energy; “king-size mattress” analogy for skin vs structural support; mouth taping improving nasal breathing and tongue posture; specific tongue exercises (e.g., tongue to upper lip, smile without creasing, tongue side-to-side).

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Chapters

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The Importance of Facial Exercise

0:46 to 2:32

Discussing why exercising facial muscles is crucial for structure and strength.

“And we've seen now with like pouches and a lot of vegetables and soft foods, you have children's jaws receding that then later takes hold later in life.”

Jaw Development and Diet

2:33 to 4:56

How childhood diets affect jaw development and facial structure later in life.

“young and youthful and radiant through the years.”

Mechanotransduction and Bone Structure

4:57 to 6:12

Explaining how muscle use influences bone health and facial aging.

“And so like your mattress is your framework and the, you have a king size fitted sheet over all that.”

Mouth Taping and Tongue Posture

6:23 to 7:54

Discussing benefits of mouth taping and maintaining proper tongue posture.

“your body, as you age, as bones or as muscle deteriorates, to your point, if you look at your skin as the fitted sheet, if all those things deteriorate, you're going to see this manifest in a million different areas.”

Addressing Tongue Ties in Children

8:41 to 9:37

Exploring the impact of tongue ties and the benefits of professional treatment.

“It's like I've got 40 years of habits that aren't that.”

Flexibility and Jawline Improvement

9:38 to 12:19

How body flexibility and fascia release can improve jawline appearance.

“But also the clenching could be because maybe if you are slightly open, it's stimulating a stress response, which then makes you clench.”

Myofunctional Therapy and Tongue Exercises

12:20 to 14:00

Explaining exercises for the tongue and their role in facial structure.

“You want to make sure that it's all related.”

The Importance of Tongue Exercises

14:00 to 14:20

Learn how tongue posture can support facial structure and aesthetics.

“And then I also just feel like looking and you can do this online for free on YouTube, looking at the myofunctional therapy for kids, like teaching them to click.”

Identifying Facial Structural Issues

14:20 to 15:40

Explore how facial cues can indicate broader health concerns.

“So again, anytime you're using your muscles, it's going to strengthen the bones of your face.”

The Connection Between Stress and Wrinkles

15:40 to 17:30

Understand how stress affects facial appearance and health.

“If you're not massaging your neck, do that because that will sharpen your jawline more.”
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The Role of Fascia in Aging

17:30 to 19:00

Discover how fascia affects wrinkles and overall facial health.

“And your nervous system also dictates how your fascia behaves.”

Foundations for Aging Gracefully

19:00 to 23:20

Learn holistic approaches to aging and the role of facial care.

“I think that scalp massage grows your hair.”

The Debate: Injections vs. Natural Aging

23:20 to 27:00

Discuss the pros and cons of injectables versus natural aging methods.

“That should be the first thing before your skin.”

The Debate: Injections vs. Natural Aging

28:13 to 29:34

Discuss the pros and cons of injectables versus natural aging methods.

“He is looking so fabulous because he is finally committed to his skincare routine.”

The Debate: Injections vs. Natural Aging

29:40 to 30:56

Discuss the pros and cons of injectables versus natural aging methods.

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The Debate: Injections vs. Natural Aging

30:58 to 32:43

Discuss the pros and cons of injectables versus natural aging methods.

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The Debate: Injections vs. Natural Aging

32:48 to 34:17

Discuss the pros and cons of injectables versus natural aging methods.

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The Limits of Filler

34:28 to 35:00

Discussion on the appropriate use of fillers and structural face issues.

“You don't want to use filler to fix a structural problem.”

Facial Exercises for Improvement

35:00 to 37:35

Learn about facial exercises and their benefits for appearance.

“to butcher this, but every time someone comes on and talks about filler and they say that people do it in their eyes, it freaks me the fuck out because it freaks me about the eyes.”

Empowerment through Self-Care

37:35 to 39:39

Understanding the importance of self-care routines for confidence.

“And so you'll start to see, you know, that that starts to go away.”

Tongue Posture and Airway Expansion

39:39 to 42:01

Insights on the effects of tongue posture on facial structure and health.

“all your vulnerabilities and see what you're working towards and still decide to choose yourself and still decide to love yourself unconditionally.”

Exploring Mewing and Facial Techniques

42:01 to 43:50

Learn about the practice of mewing and its impact on facial structure.

“And any time you exercise or stretch a muscle, it stimulates your lymphatic system as well.”

The Controversy of Wisdom Teeth Removal

43:51 to 45:56

Discuss the implications of wisdom teeth removal on facial structure and health.

“a lot of the facial structure that you're talking about.”

Questioning Aesthetic Procedures

45:57 to 47:42

Examine the cultural norms surrounding aesthetic procedures and their consequences.

“I'm a little, I get scientific with this stuff too.”

Questioning Aesthetic Procedures

47:43 to 49:41

Examine the cultural norms surrounding aesthetic procedures and their consequences.

“Like I realized that I did not look good with Botox.”

Questioning Aesthetic Procedures

50:15 to 51:16

Examine the cultural norms surrounding aesthetic procedures and their consequences.

“So what I noticed when I tried it is I slept in it.”

Reevaluating the Use of Injectables

52:27 to 56:01

Understand the impact of injectables on physical health and self-perception.

“first of all, I think men look great with wrinkles.”

Empowering Facial Exercises to Reduce Dependency on Injectables

56:01 to 58:01

Learn how facial exercises can replace the need for injectables and empower personal beauty.

“system can actually get backed up when you inject the forehead.”

Introspection and Sound in Self-Care

58:02 to 59:22

Discover how introspection and sound can enhance your self-care routine and emotional well-being.

“I turn it on every time I'm doing my facial manipulation.”

Practicing Facial Manipulations Together

59:23 to 1:02:32

Engage in facial manipulation techniques that promote relaxation and rejuvenation.

“Like I'm I'm releasing the tension in the muscles.”
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Transcript

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0:01Shelly Marshall:Welcome to the Bosticks, starring Lauren Bostick and Michael Bostick. Together, they are the Bosticks.

0:14We work out our body. Why are we not working out our face? That is an amazing question. Excellent question. because there's like this disconnect where people know that when you exercise your muscles, your body will respond, like your muscles respond to exercise. And we have over 42 muscles in our face. So it makes sense that if you exercise the muscles of your face, you're going to build a strong, you know, a good framework for your face as well. But for some reason, there's this big disconnect. People think that when you exercise, your face is just going to create wrinkles. and if you're doing it incorrectly then maybe but if you're doing it properly and you're combining it with facial manipulation massage lymphatic drainage techniques it can make a massive difference and it can really build your facial structure well we know now um because we've done a lot of shows on this and there's a book by james nestor and a bunch that obviously jaw strength in terms of and then jaw placement especially when you're young when you're a child chewing harder foods, you know, like as we, as we used to, and as we evolved is helpful when you, when you want to get that like forward jaw, forward, yeah, where it's not that receded jaw because you want that forward growth.

1:28And we've seen now with like pouches and a lot of vegetables and soft foods, you have children's jaws receding that then later takes hold later in life. And everyone's trying to do chin implants or nose jobs to fix that, but it's because they don't have the proper structure. That's exactly right. When you're not using your chewing muscles, then your muscles are going to atrophy. But we also have to remember that our bones take input from the muscles. So through a process called mechanotransduction, you place enough stress or enough force on a bone, it's going to stimulate an electrical response, which stimulates more osteoblasts, which are bone cells.

2:06And so during the developmental time, that's a really crucial time because that's what develops your bone structure. As you get older, if you're not maintaining that, then your structure is going to start to recede. It's going to start to shrink because your bones are not getting the signal from the muscles to stay strong. And so that's one of the great ways that we can maintain our facial structures, which is so important. I would say it's more important than wrinkles. Then, you know, that can help you to keep your face looking young and youthful and radiant through the years. What I find so fascinating is I don't know if you know this, but I had double jaw surgery when I was 25 years old.

2:45That's how I got into facial manipulation in the first place. Like that's, I was like, oh, I feel like my lymphatic needs to be drained after the surgery. And I went and did it once and I was like, wait, this is amazing. And so I just became so into it. But after studying the face and the chin and the jaw, I learned, and maybe you can speak on this, that it's also about the way you walk. so if you're walking duck feet that that it starts with the feet it's about the shoes that you wear you want your toes to be barefoot as much as possible spread out I just bought these specific shoes for my kids that lets their feet spread out it's it's about the chewing to you guys's point it's about the straws that you're using even like we work with a myofunctional therapist with my kids and the straw that the cup that they're using is so important.

3:37And it's about also like breastfeeding. It's all these different elements that play into the jaw. Can you speak on that? Because I feel like you're the expert on it. Yeah. So the way I approach everything, every area of the phase is through the lens of five things. Structure, support, freedom, flow and presence. Now, when we talk about like structure. So for the jaw, that means your body posture. That means your tongue posture. That means how you hold your body. And your emotions play a really big role in that as well, because your emotions and your nervous system dictates how everything in your body moves and the posture and the way you hold yourself through life.

4:17And, you know, the thing that you said about the feet and the posture of the whole body, your fascia is connected from your head to your toe. So if something is pulling on the lower half of your body. It's going to have an effect on the rest of the body. And this starts to shift everything in the face as well. And so your jaw, you know, we want that forward growth, right? And that helps, that happens mostly during the developmental time. And so then things like the straws and the pouches and like that, you're not using the muscles of your face. And so the maxilla bone, which is the beauty bone, this is the most important bone in the whole face.

4:53If it is not maintained, if it's not supported, then your jaw is going to start to also recede as well. and one of the things that I see with people who are on like GLPs and stuff like that they're not chewing and so they're not using their muscles enough because they're not eating as much right they're just not as hungry so they're not eating as much and then what happens is their jaw starts to shrink it starts to recede and then they try to fix it by putting filler on top of it and that's just not the answer you have to remember that like the if you think of the face and the facial structure like a king size mattress, right?

5:30And so like your mattress is your framework and the, you have a king size fitted sheet over all that. That's your skin. But if you are not maintaining your structure through your posture, through tongue posture, through exercises, through using your muscles that stimulate the bones and that stimulate that forward growth for the jawline, your bone structure is going to start to weaken. It's going to start to shrink. and your king-size mattress has now turned into a queen-size mattress, but you still have a king-size fitted sheet. And so that's what we're also seeing with the aging process as well, as people see wrinkles and they see folds and they see sagging skin and they think I have a skin issue, but it's actually a structural issue underneath.

6:12Wow. So what you're saying of all these people that are getting facelifts and Botox and filler is it's actually the structure underneath that people are trying to overcompensate for. Well, think about it in any instance, like just in other areas of your body, as you age, as bones or as muscle deteriorates, to your point, if you look at your skin as the fitted sheet, if all those things deteriorate, you're going to see this manifest in a million different areas. It's funny because I look through everything through the lens of how we've evolved as animals, as a species, and there's a reason you have teeth in your mouth.

6:44right it's meant to grind things down to chew and you in and to be used right so like i think to your point if you stop using the and there's other muscles in the face of it but if you stop using these muscles in large part you make it so easy from a delivery system whether it's food or smoothies or pouches or whatever then the body doesn't know to train that structure right it's like if i went to the gym and i never worked out biceps then over time your arms are going to get smaller and smaller and your skin's going to sag down like that's just what happens so it makes a ton of sense what you're saying.

7:13Yeah, exactly. What do you think about mouth taping? I'm obsessed with mouth taping. Thank you so much for making your mouth tape. It feels weird if I don't have it on at night. It does so much, not just for helping me to breathe through my nose, which we know has so many health benefits, but it also helps to encourage me to have better tongue posture. And that's something that I never had. No one ever told me growing up. No one, no dentist ever told me this was not in the YM magazines. Like you got to have tongue posture. Like I didn't know that literally till a few years ago. And since I have been really conscious of keeping my tongue glued to the roof of my mouth, I've seen major changes in my facial structure.

7:53I wish that I had known this during my developmental time because then I think my face would have a little bit more forward growth. I'd have a little bit more cheek lift. My jawline might be a little bit stronger, but that time has passed, but I can maintain now by keeping my tongue up. And mouth tape at night is, I think, the best way that you can do that. I mean, while you're sleeping, you're asleep for hours. That's part of the day. You know, like this is a great opportunity to work on your jawline and, you know, and have all these other health benefits as well. I mean, we know that when you're breathing through your nose and not breathing through your mouth, it lowers your stress.

8:26So it lowers your inflammation. uh it helps to you know turn on different genes it helps to regulate your hormones it affects every part of your every part of your life yeah we had our son's tongue tie clipped when he was two weeks old and it was i want to be honest with everyone it was brutal it was so hard however i mean we had to go to a specialty dentist dr pia gandhi she's been on the show so again for people that don't know like it was it was all done with a medical professional and they do it for kids these days no what are you talking about i just use my i i just use my my scissors people people think these who knows what people think but little pocket no but but i think she's on and if you i don't know if you are aware of her heard that episode but she's on the forefront of like basically helping children yeah i listened to that episode she's doing and she's helping them because i mean it's it was total change for him like right off the bat and you could do that his energy i bet was so much better too and to your point like it's i mean i guess you could do this as an adult and people are but it's so much harder to change i'm like almost 40 years old like for me to try to go do that now.

9:28It's like I've got 40 years of habits that aren't that. Right. But do you wear mouth tape? Because that'll help. And he has you. I will wear it. I like wearing it. But I also don't like I'm a nose breather. I have the opposite problem. My problem is I clench at night. So I'm shut. I hate to break it to you. It's a slightly open. But also the clenching could be because maybe if you are slightly open, it's stimulating a stress response, which then makes you clench. So it could be all connected. And, uh, you know, I've have other airway dentists that I follow and they talk about this all the time that when you're, um, when you're, you know, asleep and you're nasal breathing and your nose breathing, your body doesn't have these spikes of stress or cortisol, which is what makes you clench sometimes.

10:12I think it's great. I love doing it. Um, I don't know though. I'm just, if I'm being honest, I'm just not a mouth. There are other ways though. There are other ways you could build your jawline for sure. Like the posture, the muscular exercise, the fascia release. This is all part of it. I transformed my jawline before I even knew about having my tongue glued to the roof of my mouth. And now it's just amplified. I've been trying to mob Carson for the last few days in here. If someone's listening and they're 30 plus and they want to transform their jawline like you've done, what are the things that they can do right now?

10:42Stretch your body. That's 100 % the first thing you want to do. You want to start making your body more flexible because when everything's tight in the neck or when you have tech neck, like you're constantly looking. I mean, we're always constantly looking down on our electronic devices. And so what happens is the muscles and the fascial tissue that are attached from your collarbone to your jawline. This is your platysma tissue, your platysma muscle. It becomes short. It becomes stiff because it's connected to your jawline. It's going to start to pull it down. So the first thing you want to do is stretch your body, make everything flexible because everything's so connected.

11:16You want to focus on stretching your neck. And it doesn't just mean the front. It's the back too. The neck is, I think, the most important part of your face. Everything starts in the neck. You keep that flexible. You're going to start to see the changes right away. You start releasing the tension in the, this is an SCM muscle, the sternocleidomastoid muscle. The big one like right here. Yes. It goes all the way down. Correct. Yeah. It goes down here. And what you can do is just kind of grab it like this. And it'll hurt if you pinch it here and you might feel some tension. If that hurts, that means you're holding a lot of stress there that's pulling your jawline down and messing with your facial alignment and your facial posture.

11:55And then you also want to stimulate your lymphatic system because you could just have a lot of fluid there that's making the jawline look puffy. So if you fix your posture, you are releasing your fascia and you're also stimulating your lymphatic system. These are ways that you can approach aging from a natural perspective. They're slower methods, but they actually, in my opinion, end up working better. They're more effective over time. What if down here, like in the traps and then in the occipitals? Yes. You want to do everything. You want to make sure that it's all related. If you're locked up here, that's causing stagnation in your lymphatic system, for sure.

12:33It's also starting to push your head forward. So then you're getting that, you know, the whole platysma muscle is becoming shortened and you want to create that flexibility. It's all about flexibility. What are other things that you would suggest someone does to improve their jawline? Fascia release and the whole face. Because again, like when everything's tight, it starts to lock up and then it starts to pull everything down. When our tissue, issue well here's one way to think about it if you're seeing like folds and like deep lines that's a structural issue if you're seeing deep creases like deep lines that's a fascia issue but the fascia also really helps to release all all the things that are weighing it down so fascia massage you can just kind of manipulate the fascia here and it might hurt I mean if you it might hurt.

13:27Does it hurt? You know, I have a great girl if anyone's looking for fascia release. Her name is Kata and she's at the road and Desert Canary and C4 and she does fascia stretching. My dad works with her and she like flosses you to stretch your fascia. Yeah. And then I also love cranial sacral. I go to this woman. I started doing that too. She's great. So you like that. Oh, I love it. Okay. It's amazing. Yeah. I got really into it after my son's tongue tie I got clipped and I saw the tongue tie release mixed with the cranial sacral was amazing. And then I also just feel like looking and you can do this online for free on YouTube, looking at the myofunctional therapy for kids, like teaching them to click.

14:14And like I see you do it all the time. The workouts for your tongue. Talk about that. The workouts for the tongue. So again, anytime you're using your muscles, it's going to strengthen the bones of your face. But specifically when you have your tongue pressed against the roof of your mouth, it is creating that upward support, that upward pressure on the maxilla bone, which then keeps everything high. In fact, a lot of times when people have hollow under eyes, it's really just because they've lost the support. The bones appear on the face are starting to fall downward because the midface bone has collapsed.

14:48And that's because we don't have that proper tongue posture. so the the exercises can really help to structure the whole face just because of the muscular activity but the tongue posture keeping it up on the roof of the mouth will keep everything lifted as well it's like a it's like a your internal retainer it keeps everything on your face lifted i almost feel like when i talk to you i want to go like this because i don't i feel like you're like you guys are fine you probably can but i mean i imagine doing what you do you can see structural issues in people's faces in general. Unfortunately, it's like I will walk around and I can I can look at people and I'm like, OK, you're a mouth breather.

15:29You need to do lymphatic drainage. You need to do a facial manipulation. You're holding tension here. You don't need to do anything. No, I don't feel you don't feel like I need to drain my neck. Come on. If you're not massaging your neck, do that because that will sharpen your jawline more. Back to your question about the jawline. Okay. The neck. On that note. I need more neck massage. From the lens that you see people's faces. Are there things that you can see going on in people's faces that indicate other issues in other areas of the body? Oh, yes. Your face tells the story of your life and how you've been moving through life.

16:03So when I mentioned that the deep creases and wrinkles are actually like a fat. And some people are just forehead talkers. I'm a forehead talker. Are you a forehead talker? Well, that and I'm expressing. Yeah, I'm expressing. Right. I move the eyes. Some people are, some people aren't. But I also read a lot. So I see myself like going as my eye. Because I refuse. I can teach you a trick to help with that. Yeah. I need all the tricks. But no, okay. So you can pick on me. I don't mind. But if you see someone with that, how have I been moving through life? Well, physically, you probably need to release tension in your neck and your scalp.

16:37Yeah. Yes, I was just going to say, don't we need to move the scalp? Yes, because everything's connected. A lot of times when people have deep forehead wrinkles, it's because their scalp and their neck are really tense. Everything, again, is connected. So if you release the, you know, I mean, the whole body. But if you start with just the neck and you also, you know, do a lot of scalp massage, create movement, healthy movement in these areas of the body, then you won't have this sort of like, it's not like dead tissue, but it's not really functioning. Right. And so it creates like this hard stop here at the forehead.

17:06And then when you're expressive, when you're using that muscle, it starts, it starts to get stuck there, right? And so you have to know what is a wrinkle, right? People should watch this on video too if you're because she's showing. So a wrinkle is basically, and these are different from folds, but a wrinkle is repetitive muscle movement because of your expressions, because of the emotions, because of your nervous system. So that impacts how your muscles move and then the state of your fascia as well. And your nervous system also dictates how your fascia behaves. When your fascia becomes sticky, when it becomes hard, when it becomes dehydrated because you're not moving it or just the accumulation of stress, you're not sleeping or just life in general, right?

17:45As we get older, we start to see more of those lines. That's because we've accumulated more energies. And so our fascia basically starts to sort of, it sort of takes on the impressions that the muscles are creating. So you have that muscular movement. It's creating the impression. And then the fascia is holding that impression. It's holding the skin in the formation of that wrinkle. And so that's really what those deep creases are. If you release the fascia, then you'll start to see those wrinkles start to soften. You release some of the other structures, the surrounding structures that support the forehead, then you're going to start to also see those soften.

18:24You start relaxing through life and processing things in a different way, then you're not going to hold those energies in your body, which are then creating the wrinkles in your face. you, you know, practice these muscular movements or reprogramming how you express yourself, then the muscles will not activate in that way anymore. It sounds like you really should ask masseuses to release your scalp. That's what I would start with. But when I massage my scalp, this is so niche. I never pull back. I pull forward because I don't want traction. Oh, I do both. You do both. I do both. Yeah. And I noticed your hair is very long, and I'm going to say this so you don't have to so the internet doesn't go wild.

19:03I think that scalp massage grows your hair. 100%. Is that why your hair is long? Well, I mean, there's probably a lot of reasons, but if you, I always look at things, yes, I'm a little holistic and I'm a little woo-woo like you sometimes, but I also have a scientific mind. I used to be a nurse and so things need to make sense to me. And so I used to be an esthetician and I was a laser technician. the way you get rid of you know with laser hair removal the way you kill a hair root is the laser will target where the blood supply is and once that blood supply is cut off your hair dies so if you do the opposite and if you stimulate more circulation to your hair follicles then it's going to help to stimulate the growth of your hair i have a friend who's bald and he told me that he hates massage and hates touch and he hates to do his own massage and i was like that's why you're bald because you don't I'm not calling him out he doesn't like to be touched by anyone and he doesn't like to touch and massage himself I'm like you need to get massaging on that scalp well if he's like fully bald it might be a difference there might be some different reasons but if he's if it's someone who's starting to bald then that is uh you're in a constant state of stress because when you're stressed out all of your blood supply goes to your vital organs So again, when there's not that circulation to those hair follicles, your hair is going to start falling out.

20:27Also, that's, you know, is a whole cascade of hormonal issues as well. But yeah, that person probably needs to do some physical manipulation and stimulation for the scalp, but also figuring out what in their life is causing that stress where they're in a constant state of holding. Have you ever seen that meme where it's like, it says, try not to be stressed. And then it's like the wife behind the guy and it says, my stress telling me not to be stressed. That's what I was just thinking as you're saying that. I'm not going through. Every time he's stressful now, I'm going to be like, you're going to go bald.

21:02Wait. So one of my favorite memes, I don't know if you've seen this one. It's an empty toilet paper roll. So it's like a brown toilet paper roll and he's talking to all of these like full toilet paper rolls and he says your lives will continue to stink until you find your center and so I always remember that I'm like okay just work on your center work on yourself and actually like you're going to age more beautifully when you do that there's there's this I mean it's a huge component and it's a huge missing piece of the puzzle I think a lot of people are missing it from in their lives especially now when there's so much distraction.

21:36There's so much comparison. There's so much pointing, you know, I want this, I want that. And it's like not enough introspective reflection and processing. And really, I think that is the root of aging. Well, we could do a whole thing on that. On that note, we were talking in prep before having you on, and we were talking about just, you know, there's almost like two camps a little bit when it comes to this. There's the one camp that's more preventative, maybe they're doing this stuff we're talking about. Maybe they're doing injections, maybe they're doing procedures and then, you know, maybe they were doing makeup or whatever they're doing.

22:14And then there's the other side, which is like, Hey, I'm just going to age how I age. Don't want to wear makeup. Don't really care. I don't want to be vain like that. Like at least that's a, and again, to each their own. When you, when you think about aging in general and being a, you know, injector previously, and I know you mentioned off air that you're not necessarily for or against, like if you could prescribe to the world, like kind of like the blueprint or the right way you think people should be aging or thinking about aging when it comes to their facial aesthetics, like how, what do you, what do you tell your clients?

22:51I try to be very honest with them. And I say, listen, I'm not anti-injection. I know a lot of people think that I am because I left injections. But I'm not anti-injection. I think it's a wonderful tool when it's used intelligently and when it's not overdone. And so if I was going to give someone a prescription for how to age, I would say, listen, this is the foundation. You need to manipulate your tissue. You need to, when you look at your face, I want you to look at your bone structure. That should be the first thing before your skin. You need to look at your bone structure and assess that. We're going to work on your bone structure.

23:27We're going to work on your facial exercise to keep you strong. And it's not just keeping the face strong. When it comes to the muscles of the face, it's about finding balance because some muscles are overworked and you need to relax that and you need to release that. So it's about finding muscle balance. You need to work with your lymphatic system daily. You need to work on your posture. You need to stretch your body. There are different tools that you can use as well that can facilitate that. and you need to work on yourself. And after you've done all that, if you want to go get that little judge, you call it judge, you want to get a little judge, you get that little judge if you want.

24:06But there's a different feeling when you're doing it yourself. And I always like to use this mountain analogy of like you're climbing up this mountain, you have your your beauty goals up at the top, right? And you're trying to get there. Now you could be helicoptered up to the top. Okay, so we're talking just using injections and surgery as your method, right? You're being helicoptered up to the top and the view is going to be beautiful. It's going to be great. But then you're going to move on with your day and you're going to find the next thing that you want to, the next thing you want to tackle.

24:36Versus if you're someone who is climbing up that mountain and it's a struggle and, you know, you're out of breath, you're working really hard. As you're going up this mountain, you start getting, getting hot, things are getting heavy. You start getting rid of things. You start releasing things. You start letting go. And the triumph that you feel when you get to the top of that mountain, it's just a completely different feeling of triumph and confidence that you have built now within yourself that the view is not only beautiful, but you now know that you can do anything. It's a completely different feeling.

25:15And so I would say that needs to be the foundation, is working on your structure, working on the movement of your face. And then every once in a while you want to get a little help, you can get a little help, get a little help up that mountain, but don't rely on it as your sole system. I also think, and feel free to call me out, if you are going to do Botox or filler, you have to get facial massage because when you let that stuff sit in your face stagnant, you can see it and your lymphatic system doesn't get it out. Right. Not get it out. Maybe metabolize is the right word. Yes. Yeah. So I think I think it's pretty mainstream now that people know that you can't use filler for a long term plan.

26:02At least I'm seeing that a lot on the Internet that people are becoming more aware that this is not something you can do forever. Right. Like the the prescription would be like you do the filler, the filler, the filler until you need the surgery. And and that's because the filler can get stuck in the face, like you said, it's a semi-permanent product that you put in the face. We used to think that it just, you know, completely dissolved, but now we know that it doesn't through like MRI scans and imaging. You can see that the filler doesn't ever fully dissolve. And if you're not working with your lymphatic system, if you're not manipulating the fascia and your fascia holds a lot of water and it holds a lot of inflammation, holds a lot of our issues too, right?

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26:43Our tissues hold our issues. And if you're not releasing all of that, then yes, the filler is going to get stuck in the face and then it accumulates more water. And when that happens, it doesn't even matter how well the filler was placed. It doesn't matter if you have the best injector. It will start to look, you'll start to see that pillow face appearance where the filler is just stuck in the face and it can't get out. There's nowhere to go. People are saying that it also with gravity travels down and you get that like jowl. It can. Yeah. If you're getting enough, I would say to go back to your question about the prescription, like here's what I tell my friends, like if you're going to do filler, do it once or twice in your life and then stop and then use facial manipulation.

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34:56Exactly. Well, I don't have personal, I don't know about this, so I'm going to butcher this, but every time someone comes on and talks about filler and they say that people do it in their eyes, it freaks me the fuck out because it freaks me about the eyes. And also, I feel like it pushes your eye closed. It does. It just scares me. It's very obvious when people have had it in it around there's like a like a pressed up look but to your point earlier if somebody's got those like sunken eye or the hollow eye look there's things you can do structurally to combat that is that is that what you were saying yeah so if you build up the or if you at least support the maxilla bone that beauty bone the mid-face bone that is the bone that supports the under eyes and so if you can uh do certain exercises show us a couple show us you better go on you too okay so place your tongue to the to just the tip of your uh upper lip and now smile but don't don't crease around here so you're creasing a little here it's all about the control don't be asking for me to do these exercises later on the way up on the way up in the elevator i took a hanger with her jacket on and i hung it on my tongue so that was a good one my daughter and my son do this with their myofascia person what that one yeah they do they like learned all these exercises oh really you're doing keep going yeah okay so another one this is one of my favorite ones that i made up and i love it it works so well okay so you push for anyone who's listening you push your your tongue into your bottom lip you cover your top teeth with your uh top lip and then you kind of smile let your cheeks do the smiling for you and then move your tongue side to side.

36:31I probably look like a freak on the camera. Actually, don't watch this part, people. I don't want to see. Okay. And so this will not only the muscles itself, the muscles themselves will build more scaffolding in your face, right? Because when you exercise the muscles, they will respond to exercise, they will become stronger. And the face is a really unique area of the body where the muscles and the skin are directly attached to each other. So where the muscles go, the skin goes to. So you're building that scaffolding in the face. But at the same time, remember, you're telling the bones, you're signaling to the bones to produce more of those bone cells so that it stays nice and strong.

37:04And so when you do that, it can help with the formation of those hollow under eyes to keep them more lifted and supported. But you also want to manipulate the fascia because things are getting stuck. And so a lot of times when you have this line that goes down right here, it's just that connective tissue webbing that is basically stuck to your bones. And so you want to create space within that tissue. When you do that, you'll have more blood flow, you'll have more lymphatic flow moving through. It helps to plump the area. It just helps everything to repair. Right. And so you'll start to see, you know, that that starts to go away.

37:39Your cheeks are going to be more lifted. And these are all subtle things. But that's what you're doing with injections, too. You're going for the subtle look. And so a lot of like pushback I get from people is, you know, oh, this doesn't work or, you know, it's it's like this is silly. This takes time. It takes time. You got to do it every day. I massage my face every day. And that's the thing. You have to turn it into a practice. You have to turn it into a ritual. But I look forward to it. It's like me getting down on the floor right now and doing four push-ups and then getting up and saying, that didn't work out.

38:07I don't have muscles yet. Right, right. Of course. Exactly. I mean, anything. This is with anything. I think the problem is we live in a time and in a society and in a culture now where we prioritize comfort and convenience over everything. We want the easy straw. We want the quick pouch. We want the quick shot. We want the quick workout. We want the thing that's going to give us the 15 minute act. It's hard to find things these days that we're not trying to find a shortcut through. Right. And I think so to your point, if you have a lifetime of something that is maybe trending in the wrong direction from a facial structure perspective, yeah, you're not going to solve that with a few facial exercises in one day.

38:51Right. Your face will adapt to what you do continuously, not to what you do occasionally. So that's why it's so important that you I mean, it's just like working out like you go to the gym and you work out and you're going to eventually start to see those changes in your body. people need to be a little bit more patient with this practice and they need to give they need to give themselves some grace you know it is something that you you know it's not just okay i'm transforming my face like there's a deep inner transformation that happens at the same time when you feel like you are an active participant in your aging process when it feels like you're part of it and you're doing it there's just a you have a little bit more empowerment you just feel more confident and And, you know, to me, confidence is it's not just looking in the mirror and loving what you see.

39:37Yes, that's part of it. But to me, confidence is being able to look in the mirror and see all your flaws and see all your vulnerabilities and see what you're working towards and still decide to choose yourself and still decide to love yourself unconditionally. I mean, that's I mean, that's really what these practices are all about. It's not just the physical transformation. there's something deep within you that's found on the way i have done a lot of the things that you're talking about i i'm working on my posture right now i'm working on um with the mouth taping i'm doing the exercises i'm doing facial manipulation and you're right it's not just about the way you look yeah it's an alignment within self it makes you feel harmonious inside and it's just taking little minutes where you can find them to get something in for yourself it's kind of like a self-care.

40:27For me, I just want to mog Carson. You saying mog is a lot for me. I listened to that episode. I know what you're talking about now. Listen, I'm trying to mog over here. All the other spiritual stuff, whatever. I'm mogging you, Carson. I'm going to be doing these tongue exercises. You'll see me. What about airway expansion? This has been something that we've talked about a lot on the show. I would love to know your opinion on expanding the airway. Well, your tongue posture will do that. It will help. Yes, it will help to widen your palate. So not with a tool. No, I mean, I've never used any of those mouth tools.

41:03I think you can do it all with just your posture and just your tongue exercises. And I've seen it. I haven't measured my own palate, but like I've seen it in my face that things have changed and things have shifted. Like I've seen the same with me with proper tongue posture. I've seen that, too. I can attest to that. Huge. Have you seen a bunch of people that you work with the transformation? Yes. Yes. People always say, I've been doing this now. And again, it takes time. And it's something, the tongue posture is something that you do have to become really conscious about. Like, I, when I first started doing it and practicing it, I was like, I'm going to do this all out.

41:36And I would wake up in the middle of the night and be like, I'm the same way right now. I call it the Mona Lisa smile. I'm feeling a little OCD about it. It's like all day long, I'm correcting my tongue posture. Well, OK, it by the way, it's not just expanding your palate and fixing your jawline. You're also at the same time lifting the double chin. It's changing the whole area because you're engaging the muscle. Right. So it's lifting this muscle. And any time you exercise or stretch a muscle, it stimulates your lymphatic system as well. So you're moving limp at the same time that you're keeping your tongue glued up there.

42:11I have been mewing. Is that what I call it? OK, I've been mewing. I've tried to interview Dr. Mew if you're listening. I've been mewing. His name is Dr. Mew? Yeah. Yeah. Get on board. I never knew that. I knew mewing. I didn't know there was a Dr. Mew. You should be mewing. I'm going to start screaming mewing across the kitchen. I have been mewing for two years and I notice a difference in my facial structure. And by the way, this also includes mouth taping at night because when I use my mouth tape, this is again niche, I don't just like put it on, I kind of do a little tiny pull up to really support the tongue.

42:46And I will wake up in the middle of the night and mew too. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, you wake up and you're conscious of it. No one's ever had this conversation with me. I feel validated. Yes, I'm like, I have to stick my tongue up there. I actually started using face tape as well on my face. And it's like an extension of your mouth tape. And so, and that it doesn't just lift the corners here, but it also separates the skin tissue slightly as it lifts up on the face and that allows more blood flow and lymph to move through your skin while you're sleeping and you wake up less puffy.

43:18And also, I think that when you tape your face, and I've been doing this with this thing called zygotape. Yeah. It also is holding up the tongue slightly. Exactly. It promotes. A lot of people, this is maybe niche, you know. No, but you're absolutely onto something. It promotes better tongue posture. It just encourages that extra lift. it because it lifts the cheeks. Right. And so when you lift the cheeks and lift the jaw, your tongue automatically just kind of goes up there. No, but to me, the point of a lot of this is people are doing whether it's injections or procedures or surgeries to try to accomplish a lot of the facial structure that you're talking about.

43:57And what you're potentially saying is that you can get halfway, if not the full way there by doing some of these things that just take longer, but are more natural approaches exactly right so it's like and within that it's not just about the aesthetic it's like proper tongue posture and jaw structure is going to get nasal breathing and it's going to help with your fascia it's going with your nervous system and your posture and all that's like it makes sense to me you want to know something i regret that pulling my wisdom teeth out me too i'm on i think about that all the time wisdom teeth out until you do your own research on Why did they make us do that, by the way?

44:32Why do they make us do that? It's an old dentistry protocol where they pull the wisdom teeth because there's not enough room. Instead of allowing the child's mouth to grow because you're still developing, right? Our bodies are still developing to what? We're like 25. Remember they pulled mine when I was a kid and I regret it so much because now it's like there's less space. There's less structure and support. and so now you know it's like my face is thinner and so I'm happy you know I have the queen size mattress with the king size fetish sheet happening because the structure starts to shrink when you take those teeth out my thing is also it has to do with money why are we removing our wisdom teeth look into that right and also to your point it supports the face why would we take something out that supports the face it's a little like adenoids and tonsils where it's like oh just remove them.

45:22Wait, whoa, whoa. I want to know why. I want to know what's happening in my body that you need them removed. I think before you get anything removed, you should have a hundred questions. Well, what's strange too is like, if you think about, again, like I'll go back to like evolution. Like if they're, they are there for a reason, they come into your face for a reason, right? Like it's strange that not to, you know, not to be super religious, but if you just think about like a God or God, like wouldn't, why would that be in your body if it was meant to be removed? Are you getting woo? I'm not getting woo-woo.

45:54I'm just, but I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it from your perspective. I'm a little, I get scientific with this stuff too. And I'm like, well, if it's not supposed to be there, why is it growing there in the first place? Because I guarantee we didn't evolve with people just ripping their teeth out of their face. And also the cavemen had a great wide palette and a wide smile. And they had amazing jaw lines. There was no receding jaw in cavemen. Yes. Cavemen were chewing. They were spitting. They were using those wisdom teeth to do all kinds of things. I'm just saying as evolution has happened, the jaw has gotten weaker and weaker and weaker.

46:25We need to start asking questions about the why behind that. Exactly. Yeah, I 100 % agree. And about the wisdom teeth, like I totally regret it. But like you don't know when you're a kid, you know, you're just like, I thought I was checking something off my to-do list. I was like, oh, like we're supposed to do this. I know people online have been talking about the wisdom teeth for a while now. What happens is people start doing things and then it becomes normal over a long period of time. I don't know how long we've been taking wisdom teeth out. 30, 40 years, maybe shorter. I don't know, longer.

46:53And because we've been doing it now for a long time, people just assume that it should be done, right? There's a lot of things like that, right? And then if you start to say, like, why the hell are we doing that? People get real touchy about that kind of stuff. Yeah, especially the establishments. Yeah, they get real touchy about it. But again, I just think it's not that strange to wonder about these kind of things. But I think also injections are becoming that too. Sure. No, people are starting to now say, wait, should we be doing that filler for sure? I was going to ask you, like, we, you know, we have, we've gone back and forth on, I personally haven't done Botox in a long time because I got a little bit shaken by just some of the things people are saying.

47:27I don't think you should. Okay. Well, let's talk about it. Because you have, uh, you have sort of deeper set eyes and you have a very strong brow. Uh, if you were to get Botox, um, it could, it can make your brow look a lot heavier for sure. That is one thing. Like I realized that I did not look good with Botox. That was one of my that was one of my first epiphanies. And I was wondering, why do I look so like this doesn't look good on me? It doesn't look good on everybody. Not everybody is a good candidate for it. Some people wear it really well. Some people, they just it just doesn't work. They have deeper set eyes.

47:59They have Asian eyes. They have, you know, heavy brow, whatever it is. And so what will happen is when you relax that muscle with the toxin, it will drop your brow. Ever so slightly, even if it's so, so subtle. A millimeter makes a huge, huge difference. Yeah. And even we had Dr. Terry Dubrow on here and we don't have to talk about me too much, but he was saying, I'm happy to talk about me. Everybody knows that. But he was saying for my face shape, like he doesn't like it either. And he doesn't like even like a procedure for me. Some people would disagree with that, but he was saying it for the same reasons you're saying, like basically my brow.

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52:15So check them out. Visit SoFi.com slash skinny to learn more and see if SoFi's small business loan is right for your business. Again, that's SoFi.com slash skinny. I don't think, I really don't think, first of all, I think men look great with wrinkles. That's just my personal opinion. Well, good, because I have them. But, you know, if we're going to pick on you a little bit, like I said, the scalp and neck release will help to relax the tension that you might be holding in your forehead. But also muscle release, fascia release. Fascia release within those, you know, deep lines will help to smooth them and soften them so that you can still be expressive.

52:50But then when you're at rest, they will be softer. I think you should use my fascia ball. I have that fascia ball. Yes, that would help. Use that. I just bought it. it's um it's i'll put it link this in the show notes it's like a fascia ball that has little spikes on it yeah perfect roll it on your neck and then you should use my red light uh brush massager so why you have a guachaw that has a hairbrush in it so quickly so why you should get that we can move off from me but so why do you not like botox anymore is it just saying for you you don't like so well it this is going to take me down a whole rabbit hole so i use i'm not anti-injection.

53:26I think they're great when they're used as a tool. But I sort of started to realize that I no longer wanted to create the illusion of vitality. I wanted to help women build it instead. Cool. And there were things that I started to notice being in the industry that I just couldn't unsee anymore. I think that when injections and surgery are not used intelligently, that they actually weaken us as humans, physically and spiritually. They weaken us physically because of the structure of the face, right? When your facial structure will continue to weaken the more you ignore it. So if you're not exercising your face, you're not manipulating, you're not doing any sort of touch, then things are going to start to recede.

54:12They're going to start to shrink. You're going to see that king-size fitted sheet happen. But spiritually, I also just think that, and again, this is just like, this is more of a provocative point of view. I'm generalizing here, but it allows you to bypass healing the very thing that put those wrinkles there on the first place, right? That put them there on your face in the first place. And I could not perpetuate people down that path anymore. I saw that people were dependent on me. So it was leading into, you know, dependence culture. I saw that people were getting their confidence from me when they should have been getting it from themselves.

54:51They were outsourcing their care. And really what I saw was that I was fixing and patching faces back up without helping people heal. And that was one of the reasons why I left the hospital. I saw I was doing the same thing as a nurse. I was putting, you know, Band-Aids on people and I wasn't doing what I wanted to do, which was to help people heal and elevate them. And so I started learning about the face. I was still injecting at the time And I started learning about the muscles, the bones, the fascia, the lymph, the skin, the nervous system, how all of that comes together. And I started to just realize that, you know, I couldn't do that anymore.

55:28Like it just didn't sit well with me. And so I started to work on myself. I started using some of these methods that I was learning and figuring out because I had my background as a nurse and a background as an injector and a background as an esthetician touching thousands of faces a day. So I knew how things would respond. and I stopped and my clients started to notice and they started to say like, I noticed that your forehead is moving and it was moving the last time I was here four months ago. Like what's, you know, curious what's going on. And I was like, well, you know, it didn't really look good on me.

56:00You know, it's, it's interrupting the functioning of my face and I'm learning how the lymphatic system can actually get backed up when you inject the forehead. And so I was getting puffy and it just didn't look right on me. So I was sort of educating them on that, but then they wanted to no more. And they were like, how can I do the same thing? Because like, you know, I'm coming in here every four months and like I'm getting these injections and I'm just still like really unhappy. Like I'm happy with your work, but like I'm just not happy. Like I still am seeing things in my face that I'm just like always trying to correct.

56:29So I started teaching them my methods, the, you know, the massage and the on the forehead. You know, we're talking about the forehead here because that's like the main area that people get injected. I was teaching them how to reprogram their expression so that they weren't always forehead talking. And so they were, you know, softening, softening the lines that way. And I said, listen, this is what you're going to do. Instead of coming back in four months, I want you to come back in six months and I want you to do these exercises and I want to see, you know, let's see where you're at. And some people would come back and they would say, you know, wow, that was amazing.

57:01I was able to prolong my Botox appointment and I feel, I feel great, but let's, let's do it again because now I can I only have to do Botox once a year and I feel so much better about that. Like I'm actually doing something myself. And then I had some people come in and say, I'm not even really sure why I'm here. I'm here because you told me to come. But like with these exercises that you taught me and because I feel so much more empowered in, you know, in doing them, I don't even think I want this anymore. It has no more lure on me. Like I'm not I don't I feel like I don't need this. And so that's when I realized that I had something it felt like a full body.

57:38Yes for me when people started saying that, you know They're they're not just saying like I see, you know, the physical transformation They're saying like I feel free. I feel like I have this freedom now And you know, that's kind of when I knew okay I I kind of need to step away from injections and this is how I want to help lift people Like a facelift can lift some someone's face, but like this was lifting people in a completely different way It's so cool. It's so cool how you got involved in this before you go you mentioned introspection earlier I would love to know how you get introspective I hang out in my body a lot I don't I don't I'm not like a real social person I mean I'm social I'm kind of you know I'm kind of a chameleon but like where I like to hang out is inside so I do that a lot I love sound I think sound and frequency just totally grounds me it's a huge part of my practice.

58:33I turn it on every time I'm doing my facial manipulation. What do you what's the playlist? Oh, I have I have a few. You got to message me the playlist. I will. I will. We put it in the show notes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You should make like a beauty shaman playlist. I have. I've you know, I've linked it for people. I hope they're listening to it because it is so amazing. No, it takes you on a journey of your like emotions. It opens your heart. And so more energy can kind of flow through you. So and that to me is really important because when your heart is open and when energy is moving through you, things don't get stuck because things get stuck in your body and in your fascia.

59:12And as we know, that leads to wrinkles and aging. You're doing the to be introspective. You're doing the facial manipulation while listening to the frequency. Yeah. Yeah. It's meditative. Yeah. It's like a movement meditation. Like I'm I'm releasing the tension in the muscles. I'm releasing the fascia, which is, you know, such an that's probably the most important part. And then I'm doing my lymphatic drainage. But I'm also looking in the mirror and I'm like checking in with myself. And when I have those doubts, like the three questions I always ask myself when I'm starting to feel like ugly or feeling like disconnected from myself, you know, I just say, OK, instead of instead of looking in the mirror and saying, like, what is happening to my face?

59:53I like think to myself instead, like, what am I carrying that needs to be released. Or instead of asking myself, how can I stop aging? I start asking myself, how do I want to age? Or instead of asking, how do I preserve my youth? I think to myself, like, who do I want to become? And that changes my vibration in a way that, and I really think that when you go to sleep, that's the start of your day. And so I'm really big on doing nighttime rituals because that's a time to become introspective. And I turn on my sound and I look in the mirror and I touch my face. And even just that touch, our hands are so healing.

1:00:32We're not just doing the physical transformation. It's something energetic that is happening in our bodies when we do that. And when you do that consistently, you start to change in ways that you never knew were possible. And now you're not going to look at me weird when I do my facial exercises and my facial massage every day. You're going to understand. No, I never looked at you weird. Should I teach you guys like a few that you can do together? Yeah. Okay. I don't know. We have to do everything. Well, okay. We could do it together. Well, you could check on him. I do this with my husband all the time.

1:01:05So like the first one, low O and you relax here. So, so right now you're, you're going like this. He's seen this face before. i have i started having flashbacks almost took me to it low oh okay okay bring your mouth down and bring your forehead up so place your hand on your forehead bring your forehead up smooth it so fully on your forehead i can't do that i have makeup flatten your flatten your hand on your forehead lift it up let's stretch i'm not doing it i'm not doing it okay so do you feel that stretch here yeah okay so you feel that stretch there that's that's stimulating all the limp to move and all the puffiness to move out of your face it's releasing some of the type fascia which is creating uh stagnation um and sagging and fibrosis in your tissue fascia in his eyes if you want your eyes to open more you got to stretch your your i don't want my eyes to open more i like them like this okay yeah you can like that that's one and then the one i showed you before

1:02:07just go with it all that makes sense to me and then stretching your neck do you have a code for the listeners yes okay uh for all of my skincare and my tools uh we made code skinny for you guys and then we also i also we just had a huge launch yesterday i launched um the the new platform for the skin within studio which is where i teach all of my rituals they're like five to 20 minute rituals and we, you know, you turn it on and you just move with me. You just, you know, I basically show you what to do from start to finish. Yeah. And it's like, it's really great because a lot of times people don't know how to start and they don't know what to do.

1:02:43Yeah. And so I take all the guesswork out. And so you do, you know, you just basically move with me and we do it together. Can you send me the link to that? Yeah. I have a link specifically for your audience. So because we just did the launch and so we have a special treat for your audience that they can take advantage of. Okay. You can go to at beauty shaman on Instagram. Yep. And you can go shop code skinny 15 % off. I'm a fan of your products. Thank you. I definitely think that Gua Sha hair brush is magical. You've got a lot of fun ones on there. Oh yeah. I've been a fan of you for so long.

1:03:12Thank you for coming on the show. That was amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

1:03:26Thank you.

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#1,009: Join us as we sit down with Shelly Marshall – also known as Beauty Shamans is an esthetician, former nurse injector, and founder of Beauty Shamans Skincare and the Skin Within Studio. After years of helping people pursue beauty through injections and cosmetic procedures, Shelly began noticing their limitations and that these methods didn't truly solve what people were seeking. Today, Shelly teaches a functional approach to beauty that focuses on restoring facial health, structure, and vitality from the inside out. In this episode, Shelly gets real about facial manipulation, facial exercise, lymphatic drainage, fascia release, and the connection between muscle, bone, and skin as we age. She breaks down how tongue posture, nasal breathing, chewing, posture, and modern habits can impact jawline and facial structure, plus her approach to mouth taping, mewing, myofunctional therapy, and daily facial rituals. Shelly also shares her perspective as a former injector on fillers and injectables, why foundational practices matter, and how to build a more natural, intentional approach to aging well.

 

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