Jenny McCarthy Unfiltered On Reinvention, Clean Living, Autism Awareness, & Motherhood

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34:05You can only go on it for like six or seven months. But don't you think that's a really good reset for people just wanting to reset to do that for maybe like even like two weeks? I'm telling you for everybody, I believe that everyone should try it, but you really don't get the benefits until you go a full month. Okay. So a month, if you could just do it for a month. So what are you eating on carnivore? A grass fed, grass finished beef. So I get it delivered, you know, from a farm and then I will have an avocado. So I'm a carnivore that has an avocado with my, because paramenopause and menopause, you need fiber.

34:38You need tons of fiber. So I would have an avocado with my steak. For three all meals? I would only have it for lunch and dinner. So I would have like a ground beef. I would have an ancestry beef. So it would be like kidney liver. Ancestral blend? Yeah, ancestral blend. Love it. Love it. Okay, some people go like, I have that for lunch. And then for dinner, I'd have a ribeye with all the fat on there. And would you be hungry? I wasn't hungry. And I also probably lost 10 pounds in a month, 12 pounds in a month. And is Donnie over there just getting inspired? Or is he like, you're crazy? No, he's so good.

35:12He'll follow me to hell and back if I went there. He's into it. He's into it, yes. But he's also a natural kind of carnivore in a way. He doesn't really eat carbs ever. Is he like really into working out and all the different things? So he's a Wahlberg. Yeah, what are the Wahlbergs that are putting the cereal over there? The Wahlbergs put in the work. naturally yeah one time i swear i saw like mark walberg's routine on instagram and it was like 3 a.m wake up oh yeah is that really true it's true it's true it's a real story yeah does johnny wake up no no no no okay 3 a.m wake up is intense that's yeah that's that's that's dedication yeah i mean it's amazing i couldn't do it i can barely get up at 7 or 8 a.m he wakes me up at seven and i'm like like feeling personally like personally attacked today we we got up at four or i did four because we came here to do this but it i mean the kids are in school are you complaining mark wakes up this morning with her i was like i don't know if we're gonna you know i felt before you got here i said swig some coffee you need you need something here i did i swig can you drink coffee on carnivore i'm allergic to coffee so i can't answer that question Can you drink tea?

36:20I do. Tea. So you don't drink alcohol or coffee? No. I'm high on life. I know. I don't. And it's weird because I feel great. I feel great. And you look great too. Thank you. I mean, I don't know what you're eating. Like a health question. I was telling some of my younger friends that don't have children. And I said, you know, I never really cared. I care about health, but I didn't get laser focused on it until we had children. Because then when people start wanting to do things to the children, it's not the same as with yourself. if you're like, am I making the right decision? Is the wrong decision?

36:52And I was telling them, I was like, you don't know fear until you start fearing for your children. That's exactly right, you guys. And I wonder, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about you and your perspective, but I tell people is that until you become a parent and you're caring for another, like you really just don't understand making some of those decisions. It's true. And, you know, I got to be honest, is like having a child on the spectrum our biggest fear is we can't die because who's going to take care of our kid and my son's doing well but he's still he might live with me forever so it's like you're terrified and i'm like i gotta i gotta snap out of this and so at age 40 is like when i started feeling like shit and i was like no no no i need to live till i'm 120 like i need to be here for him so it's another thing that really drives me and motivates me like every i'm a i'm a testaholic so i'm constantly testing myself and And making sure that my lab work is good.

37:51And I'm doing more poop samples than probably anyone on the planet. I gotta try that. It feels overwhelming. I love it. So you just shit in a bag? I don't love the shitting in the bag part and taking the poop samples. But I love seeing the results come back. Because you can see if you have a leaky gut or you've got issues. The dysbiosis. You can see what gut flora is good. What's bad. If you have any infections that are roaming around there like I did. you know, it's really good to know. Like you have to at least do it. Okay, I'm going to do it. And I'm going to make you send it off. And I'm going to say, I feel like there's some things that husband and wife can separate.

38:26Like that's like, that's a solo activity. I feel like for us. I did Donnie's. You were so honest about your pregnancy. I told you I've read like most of your books. You got me through my first pregnancy because I was like, what the fuck is going on? And no one was honest about any of it. You talked about hemorrhoids. You talked about pooping on the table, pooping on the table. She talked about pooping on the table. He doesn't know anything about that. I'm going to try to keep up. He's like when you have the baby. Oh, okay. And you're pushing. No one tells you about that. And I was like, my mom said, well, I hope you don't poop on the table, dear.

39:00And I was like, say what? I don't think I pooped on the table. Everybody does. Oh, really? Yes. They just don't tell you. They, my mom goes, don't worry. They whisk it away quickly. I'm like, what? So I was so paranoid with my doctor. he was like, if you're that paranoid, do an enema before you come to the hospital. I'm like, I ain't shoving nothing nowhere. So I was just like, I'm just not going to, I'm just not going to poop on the table. So then afterwards I was like, I didn't poop on the table. My mom goes, it doesn't feel like it. No, because look what is happening down there. It's a, it's apocalyptic.

39:34Well, you would assume if you're pushing down there that aggressively. Exactly. If you're pushing that hard. What made you decide to come out and be so honest about pregnancy and I mean I bet that book was so well received when it came out you know I wrote the book because everybody lied like people didn't tell the true story so I sat there with Evan like this and I I don't know how to type so I was like plus I'm dyslexic so I was like think think think think think think so I wrote this I've never wrote anything I don't even write emails well but I knew how to write truth and it's kind of funny so I printed it and then I sent it to my agent and they were like okay we'll send it out to see if anyone wants to buy it everyone rejected it.

40:13Every, everyone in New York, everybody. She found this small Boston publisher that was like, I think this is really fun and funny and it's new and refreshing and people, you're telling the truth. And it debuted at like number nine in the New York Times with Solar List and it stayed there for months and months and months. Why did they reject it? What was their reasoning? I have no idea. I mean, I probably wrote a little sophomoric. I wasn't like a Shakespearean writer. That's what you, you just want someone to tell you the truth. I was a girlfriend telling you the truth. Each chapter is like a different thing that you get.

40:45I remember when you were reading that actually. Like Night Sweats. I read it twice. I read it with Zaza and Towns because I was like, I need someone to relate to all this shit and how the men sit there with a piece of hay in their tooth and they're like complaining about a cold that they have. Like it's... Like there was a chapter called Pig in the Pasture and that's about having sex in the ninth month because you're like doggy style. You feel like a pig in the pasture. You know, just like... That ninth month does get a little squirrely. It does. It does. I love how you're like trying to like relate to people.

41:18First time around, I was really terrified. I was like, I don't know about this. This is like, it's, you know, never been through it. Right. Second time around. Okay. You didn't care. Third time around. Let's get going. Right. Exactly. But you know, it still has to take away of us feeling like a pig in the pasture. It's hard. I mean, to empathize, like there's not a lot. She's like, what position? You're not going to like be going on top. No. It's doggy style. That's about it. Really. And then, you know, my son, I was hoping was going to be 80 pounds, but he was only six. I was 211 when I checked into the hospital.

41:47So I gained a lot of weight. That made me feel better when you talked about that. That was the one where I was like, oh, because you are so beautiful. And to hear that was like, oh, it was like a sigh of relief because everyone lies. I loved my brownies. I loved my I love my quick milk, even though I was allergic to all of it and didn't know it. so when you had the baby were you as shocked as when you actually had the baby to when you were pregnant at what it entailed oh yeah I was completely gobsmacked looking back going oh my god plus I had eight ribs that popped out so I couldn't sleep laying down for the last month all I do is just cry around the house it was and I was so constipated like bad do you remember the chapter I went to the poop doctor.

42:35I remember all of it. You'll have to buy the book Belly Laughs because I won't get into it here. But I had every God gave me every symptom so I could write a book about it. That's how he felt because everything premature labor, like you name it. I went through it all, all of it. And that's why perimenopause. I was like, I might as well write a book about menopause and perimenopause just like Belly Laughs because I've had all the symptoms. I think that's why you're so famous, though. It's like you tell the truth and people it's refreshing because so many people are lying. I mean, you see it with plastic surgery.

43:09You see anything. Everyone's like looking to lie. It's so much easier to just tell the truth. To me, like, you know, there's a different, but like reading any kind of memoir where people leave that kind of stuff out or the truth, it's like nobody wants to read a fluff piece. No, it's true. It's not interesting. It's not. And it's... And you can tell too, as the reader. Right. You know, like, where's the real stuff that happened? At what point as a mother did you notice that Evan was autistic? Was it something that you knew intuitively? Was it something that someone diagnosed him with? What was that like for you?

43:41You know, it's kind of like a slow buildup. The only reason I knew rather quickly was he wound up having a seizure after a shot. Not long after. In hindsight, you can go back and look that after happy he was jaundiced in the hospital he was really really yellow as time went on he had like eczema really really badly he had double ear infections like these are all things now looking back in the autism community a lot of parents say there are like warning signs that your body and i hate to even you know it's like it was it's immune dysregulation you're starting to have immune dysregulation by the time he got to his mmr i asked the doctor if we can skip it because i had such a gut reaction.

44:23Talk about a flu reaction. I saw a thing at the store the day before the appointment. It was the Time Magazine issue that said, parents are saying that their child is becoming autistic after the MMR. So I went in and I was like, I felt like a gut punch when I read that doctor. I'm like, I feel like he can't do this. Can we not do this? And he said, don't be one of those quack mothers. Don't be ridiculous. And to add some commentary on this, when you become a new parent and we experience this, you don't know and you're scared and you're listening to who you think is the expert and who has all the answers.

44:57And to be honest, there's pressure, especially as a new parent. And you're sitting there. And again, my big thing about this issue, which I try to explain to people, is it is one of the scariest things to try to figure out as a parent. And it is also taboo to talk about. So you can't say, I'm scared to talk about this and I I want to ask every question that I like anything that pops. I want to get all the answers. I want to talk to eight people. You're told no, and you're a quack, and then you're labeled in a bad way. And I think that does a lot of disservice, not only to the parent, but to the space in general, because people don't know what to say.

45:32And you just feel this immense fear and sometimes even shame. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You feel shame, immediate shame. I still battled with him in that room. and my husband, my ex-husband, he was there and he said, why don't you just leave? Why don't you just step out of the room if you can't handle this? And I was like, because he agreed to it. Now, looking back, my ex-husband, my ex-husband is like, God, I'm so sorry. You were so right. You're so right. And I'm sorry. And like, I don't blame him. He was also listening to the doctor. He was shaming us. He was legit shaming us. So it wasn't far after that, that Evan started having seizures.

46:07Those seizures led to seizures that would put him into cardiac arrest. So he died in front of me once. Yeah. He was gone. Which again, I can't even imagine that fear because it's never happened. But I just know if my daughter even scrapes her, if she gets stitches or something, the fear in your... You can't describe that. No. My post-traumatic stress was very real for 20 years. Even Donnie, when I married Donnie, he's like, you need to get some help because Evan would sneeze or cough and I'd be like, I was so paranoid because I watched my kid eyes dilate and go blue while they were trying to resuscitate him, you know?

46:45And so then the next seizure, I had to put him in a phenobarbital coma, which basically makes you brain dead on the machine. So he wouldn't go into cardiac arrest. So it's like, I've been through it. I've been really, really through it, which, you know, really brought me closer to God. I will say. I prayed so hard and begged him. I'm like, please give me my boy back, please. And if you can help teach me what's wrong with him, help me heal him, I will promise I'll teach the world how to do it. If this is my purpose, if the only reason I'm famous is to help spread some word, then please allow my son to come back to life and show me the way.

47:23And so, you know, he was then later diagnosed with autism soon after that. Then I made it my vision and I was like, okay. And then I started diving into research of like, I got to fix them. Was it a relief when he was diagnosed because you felt like - No. No. I was hoping it was just epilepsy when they first said it was, he's got epilepsy now. Like, does epilepsy run in the family? I'm like, no, epilepsy doesn't run in the family. I was devastated because you guys, back then there wasn't a lot of information. It was, this is what the doctor said to me there's plenty of institutions for him that he'll be in an institution later on in life that's what i got sorry your son has autism he's going to be an institution no and i'm sure that clip that's been seen a million times of you guys on the larry king show like that was like so people don't realize at that time when you were having that conversation like people were not like they would it's not like it is now where people are starting to ask questions like it was like whoa and i imagine that was really challenging to speak publicly about at the time because people were not willing to hear it.

48:26And I imagine it was really difficult on your career and your family. And now people are talking about it more, but my big message to everybody is like, parents have the right to be concerned and fearful and ask questions. And I don't think it's fair for the medical community or for other people, especially people who don't have children, to question parents when all they're trying to do is find the answers that's going to best serve their kids and their family. Even if you just go down a long rabbit hole, they should have every question answered. You know, and not be shamed for it. And that's all I kind of tell parents.

49:00It's like, I just want you to be able to advocate for yourself, stick up for your child, follow your gut instincts and do your own research. Today, 20 years later, since Evan's been diagnosed, there is so much more research now that you guys can go in and advocate for yourself. And, you know, just hearing those words that I've heard for so long, and we heard it during the COVID with the word safe and effective, it's safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective. It's like, is anything on this planet safe and effective? Like, I learned in biology back in grammar school that, you know, when you get a conclusion, you're supposed to retest it and retest it.

49:38And you're constantly supposed to retesting things in science. So they call it science. Exactly. So nothing is settled. I mean, I remember when they said that smoking was safe. if pregnant women can smoke. Do you remember that science back in the day? Things evolve. People learn things. It's like, so I beg people just to kind of open your mind a little bit for the sake of your child and for new science and for what other people are advocating about. If you could go back and do it over, would you do nothing with the vaccines? Knowing what I know now for myself, I probably would not. now if i wanted a lighter perspective i would get rid of some like i would be like okay just do i need the hepatitis b on the first day of life no i can wait till he's 12 i wanted to separate the mmr i asked to separate the mmr for those that don't are listening or confused like you have kids they you know when we were like i think like sub 1989 you would have like what like 10 or 12 or view.

50:44Back in the day, we had seven vaccines. Yeah. And now when you go, and this is a lot of parents' experience, they do multiple in the same visit. Correct. Right. So that's what you're talking about. We're up to 72 now. And so MMR, there's three shots in one. And now they included chickenpox in there. So I asked for it to be separated. And they're like, we don't do that. They don't separate them. I don't even know if they separate them now. I know that they just made an announcement that you should ask for them separated. I'm not sure that they do. and I'm not telling people not to vaccinate. I'm telling people, if you want to, at least do the research, at least look into it and check your own genetic vulnerabilities, MTHFR gene mutation.

51:22If you have a MTHFR gene mutation, the moms usually pass it down. So I would look into, if you're a kid, do you have low glutathione? Does your child have low glutathione? Because it's harder to detox if you have that. So when you get the shot, it makes it harder to detox the shot. Correct. Because when you go to the doctor, they say, if you're worried about the metals, they'll say, don't worry, your body excretes it. And that is true. Your body goes, it excretes it. You poop it out, pee it out, whatever, sweat it out, whatever. It comes out. Except if your methylation, your detox pathways are broken or low.

51:58And that is the case for, obviously, a lot of people. Yeah, the problem with, I think, a lot of medical advice in general, not just on this issue, is that there's blanket advice for everyone. And we saw this perfectly during COVID. Personally, for me, myself, I was never concerned about COVID because I'm an in-shape young male that's athletic and has a good respiratory system. for my 82 year old dad my dad you were a little overweight at the time you're better now i was a little more concerned for him right so i just think like applying blanket advice that him and i should be treated in the same way it just didn't register in my brain i was like well i'm not going to believe that line of thought right right and listen we've got a lot of shit for that but i think there's time for medical intervention but it has to be case by case based on the patient and also based on their genetics and tests that are readily individualized medicine it should be individualized.

52:48Out of all the research that you've done, because it sounds like you've done a lot, what has been the most shocking thing that you've discovered? I would almost need to even come back to you with that question because it's quite shocking. I just think, you know, the sad part is just how heavy metals float into the body and then get stuck into the gut and the brain. To me, it was a lie when the doctor said you excrete it. So that was like, what? That could happen? It could float around your body. And then also not knowing about the Tylenol thing. That's why I wrote about it 15 years ago. You know, I wrote about it in my book because so many parents.

53:21Now, the thing is, I went on the road and people don't know this. I went on the road for seven years and I brought camera crews with me. So I've got all this footage. I don't know what to do with it. But I wanted to document all these moms. I spoke to one-on-one 500 ,000 women, moms, and who all kind of had the same exact story as me. But also I heard a lot of my doctor told me to give Tylenol to my baby before or after the shots. It doesn't hurt as much or whatever, or there's, you know. So that's why I wrote about it in one of my books to get the word out there. So I'm kind of glad it's out there now.

53:53So what there, so, okay, this is interesting. I just heard about it in the pregnant women. So what, what it sounds like is they're giving the Tylenol, which depletes the glutathione, giving the shot. And if you don't, if you have MTFHR, is that how you say it? It can't detox and then the Tylenol situation makes it worse? it could it could absolutely but you don't even need to have the mth varg mutation the tylenol does what an mth varg mutation naturally does which is lowers glutathione the problem again like then we can move off it i think with medical advice in general is like in the instance of that they're they're doing it for pain management but they're not then following down the path of like what is the effect of managing the pain in that way like what is what is man correct they're not telling you what you can do because a lot of people don't great what do you want to have a fever yeah you know like if meaning like if you give that advice I said, yes, they will have less pain, but what does it do to the body while you're doing that?

54:45We have this doctor that's so incredible that is like, give Arnica and give, she has like chamomile and all these little pellets that you like put in water before you even get to that. Like she, I think that that's important too. It's like, we don't need to just hop right to, like there's other things that you can do. When you decided to go on Larry King, Did you know that that interview was going to be what it was? Did you have a strategy there? Or were you like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to go on and just do what I want. You know, the first interview was Oprah. Oprah had me on and we went live because she knew that we were in jeopardy of having that episode be pulled if it wasn't live.

55:25The cat was out of the bag after Oprah. Then, you know, like I promised God, I would keep going on my mission of sharing my information. So I was ready for Larry King. I didn't know Larry was going to have me on. There was an episode that you probably just saw the one with Jim. but there's one where he puts me on against doctors and a CDC representative. And I battle these guys, like me. MTV singled out Jenny has to battle the head of the CDC or an executive from the CDC and an MD, like going at it. And it was hard. That's what I was battling. Like I had no one to lean on all these years. It was literally me.

56:04I had so many celebrities call me, you guys and go like, keep going. I can't say anything, but keep going. I agree with you. I agree with you. Hundreds of them. And do you get that a lot now with what happened with COVID? A lot of people off air telling you what they really think? Yeah. So many, so many. And then people call me for their own vaccine injury stories of like what to do, what to do. Yeah. I mean, my big thing, like doing this show is like what I tell people that like, I I'm like, listen, if you're going to say things privately like this, like just say it publicly, because if it could help somebody or just make somebody more aware.

56:32And like, I really, you know, we were talking again yesterday on the show and I really don't look at health care as a political issue. I look at it as a human issue that everybody should care about. Everybody should learn how to live happier, healthy, longer, and they should have the best information available to them to take care of their family and the people they care about. And people that are being bold and brave, the people that do come out and speak, they need help. They need an army behind them. So it's like, just offer that support, even if it's a comment on social media, you know, because the trolls are happily happy, you know, to come out and attack.

57:06But those people that are the silent, you know, supporters can't be silent anymore. Today, day and age, you need to be bold and brave and support people that are speaking truth. Were you prepared for the pushback that you got? And has that like, did you know that you were going to get all that or did you not really give? Initially, I didn't think I was going to get anything because it was just my story. It was just Evan. Right. It was just my story. But when you are up against a government agency, you have a government agency coming back to attack you. I had government agencies hire public PR companies to come attack me.

57:43So it's like, there's little old me living in the valley trying to fight, you know, the FDA and the CDC. It was like, it was really difficult. You know, I lost jobs. It was, it was rough. Were you, were you like, you know what, so be it? Or was it something that was hard when you're losing jobs? Did you know that was going to happen? I didn't expect it, but when it happened, I was like, okay, well, I'm, they don't know who they're also they're dealing with. Like, you can't get rid of me. You know what I mean? Like I, I get right back up and I keep going. So it's like, I'm still here. It's 35 years I've been in this business and I just, I won't be stopped.

58:20You know, I feel like, and again, I said, I was drawn much closer to God through all this. But when you have God on your side, you know, I feel like I do have an army, a spiritual army behind me. I bet your son's proud of you. You know, yeah, he is. But he also didn't know what was happening until he turned 13 and googled himself. He googled, you know, he's like, why am I all over the internet? We need to have, he called me from work. He goes, we need to have a conversation when you get home. And I was like, I never really thought about that because I made him a poster child without his consent.

58:56So I had to sit down with him and have a conversation. And then I fortunately saved a trunk full of all of these letters from parents saying how much Evan's story helped them. And so I had him read them all and he was like almost in tears going, all right, let's do this together. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, he's a little Buddha. And is Donnie supportive of everything that you're doing? I don't think Donnie would be around. He sounds like a good husband. He is. You guys, I'm not kidding. yeah he sounds good he's the most greatest human being i can cry even like thinking about him and it's been 11 years i swear i'm getting on a teary-eyed start getting the waterworks going i truly love him so much and he's got my back and i've got his and like every day we talk on the phone like 17 times a day and just express how grateful we are to each other like i truly love him so much so cute you better talk about me like that when i'm not around when you're not around i really good.

59:48I feel like you need to get teary-eyed and disgust me. He does call me 17 times a day, but I don't pick up. Listen, you guys, you also work together and that's also a little more difficult. Yeah, it's a little difficult. Are you guys in Chicago? He works in Canada and Boston. Okay. And then I work in LA and we both live in Illinois. So figure that one. Okay. So you guys are like a little, like you get a little absence, which is sexy. It's sexy. Yeah. Yeah. It's like reconnecting it is removed yourself from like some of the entertainment bubbles i think is nice and we went we moved to austin we live out there i got the hell out of here when evan was eight i'm like i am not living in this cesspool of hollywood i can't raise my son here i was gonna say it nicer but yeah it is it's a cesspool so i got out i think it could be challenging to raise families but people do it right well when you have a kid on the spectrum you need a community yeah and there's no there's no kids riding their bike down the street or playing the fire hydrant and and catching lightning bucks.

1:00:45You know, that's what they do in the Midwest. So I grew, I got a house next door to my college girlfriends and we raised our sons together. That's so cool. So, and it's such a different experience for your son. Yeah. I felt like that when we moved to Austin, we moved out of LA too. And it's the same way. There's like a purity and a groundedness and an earthiness that you, you don't get. Let's take a quick break to talk about a brand that's quickly becoming one of my favorites, one of my go-tos in terms of clothing, and that is Seven Diamonds. They're a modern lifestyle brand that creates clothing that fits seamlessly into everyday life.

1:01:20I've been wearing their pieces now all throughout the day. They have such a wide assortment, and you honestly can't go wrong. They have pieces that look and feel great, comfortable, and versatile, whether you're at work, out to dinner, or just enjoying the weekend. Their clothes make it easy to look put together without thinking too much about it, and I really connect with what they're doing and how the clothes feel. The holidays are coming up. I'm sure many of the ladies out there are thinking about things that they can get for their men or their guys in their lives, their dads or their brothers or whatever.

1:01:45Seven Diamonds has you covered. Like I said, there's so many great options and every guy likes a solid piece of clothing. What I love most is how easy their pieces fit into every occasion. I recently got this kind of like overshirt jacket. It's called the Montpellier overshirt. It's like this brown flannel. It's super thick. It gets cold out here in Texas, but it also kind of gets hot in the day. And this piece is versatile. So you can like kind of wear it throughout the year. But with winter coming up, you can take this and put it over a sweater or a shirt. I also have these crewnecks that I really like.

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1:02:45You won't be disappointed. I was first introduced to the RealReal as someone who is selling. So you can resell a bunch of your pieces. So I went through my closet. I put a bunch of stuff on the RealReal. and then I realized that I also need to go shop on the RealReal. I have found so many amazing pieces on this site. It's insane. I've found amazing high heels. I've found a little coin purse that I wear all the time. I found a brown gorgeous shirt and I even found a Chanel bag and everything is resale, which is great. It's attainable luxury that upgrades your personal style. And then if you're going to sell on it, I just feel like it's the best way to let go of something that's no longer serving you and you get paid for it.

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1:04:12Go to therealreal.com slash skinny to get your extra$100. therealreal.com slash skinny. That's therealreal.com slash skinny. Quick break to talk about good to know at good to know facts.org. Want clear, transparent information about your favorite beverages? We do too. That's why today's sponsor, American Beverage, launched Good to Know, a new platform with tons of information on your favorite beverages. No spinner judgment, just the facts. On the good to know facts.org website, you can explore 140 plus common beverage ingredients in one place for the first time. As a busy dad, I love having a resource that gives me clear facts so I can make the choices I know are right for me and my family.

1:04:51One of the best things at goodtoknowfacts.org is you can check out more than 140 common beverage ingredients, including what the US and global food safety agencies have to say about them. It provides just the facts with no opinions or recommendations. I love this because you can come to your own assessment, make your own decisions for yourself and your family without any bias or interjections. And what I like about this is it puts you in the driver's seat. You know what's best for you and your family, and now you can get clear information about what's in your drinks without having to dig through confusing websites.

1:05:18So if you want to know more than what's on the label of your favorite drink, goodtoknowfacts.org is a great place to start. Lauren and I talk about health and wellness on this podcast all the time, and one of the biggest topics that comes up is the confusion in the space. What the ingredients are, where to find them, what's good for you, what's not. With a resource like Good to Know, you can now figure all of this out and make the best decision for yourself and your family. So check it out. Visit www.goodtoknowfacts.org for more information. Again, that's goodtoknowfacts.org for more information.

1:05:47So obsessed with this brow peptide. I use it all day long. I use it in the morning. I use it to touch up my brows. I even use it at night. Why it's amazing is it's castor oil. Castor oil is what Egyptians used to use to grow their hair. And I added a peptide to it. So it's a little oomph. So many of these brow growth serums on the market are melting the fat around the eyes, which is so crazy. And this one is just non-toxic. I use it while pregnant and it just gives your brows this like glazed useful look almost like a feathered brow it's so pretty I caught Michael using it that's how like clean it is a guy can use it and it lifts your face I use this after my skincare so in the morning I habit stack it onto all of my skincare so I'll do everything I'll put my caffeinated sunscreen on and then I'll just use the spoolie to go through my brows and brush them up.

1:06:46And like I said, it gives you like a wet lifted look. And then I also will use the little lash one. See how we have like a little lash situation at the bottom on top of my lashes before I go to bed after my skincare. You can touch up your brows with this. I sometimes even will use brow pencil. My makeup artists use it. I think this is my favorite Skinny Confidential product. I'm very, very proud of this. And it works. It grows your brows because like I said, castor oil, Egyptians telling you, you got to try this. I have one in every purse. You can't go wrong. You can subscribe on our site, shopskinnyconfidential.com and it's delivered straight to your door.

1:07:26If you want to upgrade your beauty routine and upgrade your eyebrows and lift your face, you got to try the Skinny Confidential's brow peptide. we all probably similar ages we grew up in a time like i remember you would run around outside and you'd come home when you'd hear like your mom or dad screaming and you basically grew up out you can't do that in in la you just can't do that you can't do it i would be crazy not to ask you about all the different things you do to live non-toxic okay so let it rip go off on all your supplies what are the brands like what is up like give us all the the secrets okay well branch obviously for the house.

1:08:02I forgot the name of the dishwashing soap I use. Is it Molly Suds? No, they're like little blue ovals that are chalky. Dr. Pompa promotes it. If Dr. Pompa promotes it, it's legit. I love it. Of course, I have air purifiers everywhere. I have a hospital-grade air system in my house. I open the windows every day for a little bit to get clean air. When I wanted to do it my own self for my body, I looked into makeup because I love beauty. I love beauty beatdowns. I want, I don't like the natural look. I'm sorry. Pamela Anderson does it so well. I like makeup. Okay. Otherwise I look like Jimmy Carter without it.

1:08:40So I need makeup. So I looked into trying to find the cleanest brand for me. I got some clean brands and then I was putting it out. I'm like, they don't work. Like they just don't work. So I'm like, you know what? I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to make a clean brand because what I also found out is when they say they're clean, they're really actually not clean. They're getting away with those check marks that are not true. So who do I trust? Because what do I know about clean and not clean? So I went to the environmental working group, ewg.org. I'm sure your audience is familiar with it.

1:09:14It's so good. So I went to them and said, I want to create a beauty brand, makeup, skincare that I know is under the right strict guidelines, the most restricted guidelines. I want EWG verified. So they were like so proud. They were like, we'll help you. I had no idea they were going to hand me a booklet of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients. Like here's a million things you cannot do. It was like a phone book from the 80s or 70s. You know what I mean? It was this big, like you can't include these. And I was like, shit, this is going to be difficult. Has it been difficult? So difficult.

1:09:48But our products are so good. We are half sold out on our website right now, but I highly beg you to try it. Our mascara is an MVP. We're one of the very few that doesn't have hormone disruptors in it. No parabens, no phthalates, no formaldehyde. We don't use aluminum powder, which they use to darken mascara. And it's in a glass tube. A lot of our skincare, everything's in glass except for our lip gloss, which we're going to be moving eventually. But we also third-party tests. So for instance, we use aloe in a lot of our products. A lot of aloe has gloss fade in it. So what do we do? We test it for gloss fade.

1:10:22So EWG keeps us honest. We're still working on getting a lot of the products officially get that stamp. We've made it through round three and it takes three to four years to do, if you can believe it. That's how long there, because you take it and you make it, you test it, you go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. I love it so much because it's not only clean, but it also works. You actually see the benefit, which is why we are sold out. We sell out quickly and often. You know what I'm begging you to make? Eyelash glue. girl you have no freaking idea how hard i'm on that i got a chazillion on my eye because it's the only thing we don't really kind of make it and you know what a chazillion is what's a chazillion that sounds like an alligator from like okay someone would say it's a cyst so it looks like a cyst but then it grows into like a toe with like pus and infection what oh yeah so we use this you know i used eyelash glue that was made in china even though everything here in my company is made in the United States.

1:11:23Like I said, it's clean as fuck. But the eyelash glue, I got a Chazellian from it and then I had surgery to remove it. It came back and it came back every month for the last five months. So what'd you do? I kept getting surgery for the last five months. Did they put you under? No, like I'm awake. Just from the glue that did this? From the glue. Lauren, don't get a Chazellian. From the glue. I don't know about that. This is my first month without it going back. Okay, there is a brand, the doctor. I'm on it. Okay, it's called True. Yep. But can we, I want your brand to do eyelash glue because there is so much formaldehyde in it.

1:11:55Correct. Everyone needs to know that. But I'm so excited to use your mascara. You said you used... It's... By the way, another thing I can brag about my mascara because I'm so proud of it, you guys. I have letters, handwritten letters from women that are like, you have no idea. I haven't been able to wear mascara in 10 years because my eyes burn. No burning. Now, our cleanser also, you're going to notice it melts your makeup away and your eye makeup without burning your eyes. Oh, that's nice. Oh, my God. I'm cleansing my face and my eye makeup is my eyes. You know how your eyes burn when you take your eye makeup off?

1:12:25This takes off your eye makeup and your face. And you're going to be like, oh my God, our scrub hyaluronic acid is botanical. So that means there's no bacteria in it. This is going to, not that it already hasn't, but blow up. This is so needed because you're right. There's so many brands that are greenwashed clean. It's a joke. And this sounds incredible. And what I like about this specifically is that you are a glam girl. So, you know, the makeup's not going to be like Little House on the Prairie. That's right. I need it to work. Sarah, plain Jane and tall. I need to work. And an exciting announcement.

1:13:01Sprouts is going to be carrying it as of December 3rd. Congratulations. That's cool. Thank you. So if they were to start with one product. Sprouts is doing a lot to move in that direction. We like Sprouts. Sprouts. What is the one product that you would recommend that they get? That's like asking which baby you love the most. because my mascara I'm really proud of. But also like when you use the scrub, you're going to be like, my skin has never been so soft in my life immediately. Our moisturizer, you're going to be like, this is the best moisturizer. It's for guys too. I'll use it. And then our lip liners came out and they're so creamy and they stay on.

1:13:31Oh my God, I can't wait to try all this. Our lip glosses are hydrating, moisturizing, aloe, chamomile, shea butter. That's what's in it. And I'm so sick of putting lip gloss on and being like, am I eating this? What's in it? That's exactly why I've eaten too. that's you're eating your lip gloss so all of our ingredients are good my daughter wants to wear makeup i'm like on amazon like googling non-toxic makeup and there's still like all this toxic stuff a few more years no she's trying to michael she puts on lip we have we have little girls that the mom's sending the photos of them using the lip gloss it's so hard to find it is clean makeup it is this is so exciting i work so hard because you guys i need it yeah and i know there's people like me that are so chemically sensitive.

1:14:12I also don't want cancer. The amount of bullshit that, sorry, just use that word, but the bullshit that's in the stuff, it scared me so much that I was like, I want to be able to, on my deathbed when I'm 120 going, I made clean products and I wasn't out just for the money. And then you want to be embalmed with them. Right. Because people caught me like, I have a partner that helped me a little bit in the beginning that said like, can we just use some other, I was like, hell no. Because our margins aren't great. Our margins would be so much bigger if I used cancer causing ingredients. Yeah. But then you're just doing what everyone else is doing.

1:14:47This is fresh. I think it's smart. You're selling your soul too. What are things people need to look for in their own products that you're like immediate throw out? Well, formaldehyde, parabens, phthalates. Just so everyone knows, I believe if I'm not mistaken, and it's to embalm bodies. Correct. Okay. If you had, if you dissected a frog in biology, you smelled what formaldehyde smells like. Okay. It's gross. All of these, those are cancer caused. Those are carcinogenics. So you want to stay away from those things and it's in most products. You would, mascara is the second biggest offender when it comes into makeup.

1:15:22Besides foundation, we're working on foundation. Foundation's number one, mascara's number two. So that's why I'm proud of that mascara because I had people in big makeup going, she's never going to be able to make it. She's never going to be able to make mascara that's clean. And we did it. I feel like that's such an undertone for your career though. The publisher situation of people saying you're never going to be able to do that. You've like defied the odds with it. I think I get off when people tell me I can't do something. And I'm like, you know what? Think of how far humanity has come. We're freaking flying airplanes.

1:15:51We made AI. You don't think I can make a mascara that's clean? Watch me. Watch me. I'm here for it. Well, and you can tell that you're passionate about it and that people can trust you on it. I can ask you this. A lot of times you don't know their intention. Correct. I can cut this out if you want, but do you want to do a code for the audience, like 10 % off or anything? Yes, I would love to do that. So Jenny 10, you can get 10 % off. Jenny 10 on Formless Beauty. Rapid fire questions. Ready? Yeah. One thing people would be surprised to know about you. That I am deeply spiritual. I am I don't want to say religious but I'm Christian I'm a follower of Christ and God Is there like a spiritual person that you look to?

1:16:37Like do you have is it like Joe Dispenza or like is there someone that you go to? Not Joe Dispenza I do like Aaron Apke he's like a he's a spiritual teacher but he has a podcast called The Jesus Way that I love so much Okay I gotta check that out but I think people will be surprised about that because I don't really talk about it too much but I'm starting to talk about it more because I feel like with the world, the way it's at and so many demons in Hollywood, someone needs to represent the light. So I'm walking with the power of Christ. I think it's great. What's your favorite guilty pleasure?

1:17:13I love the alien podcasts. Oh, that alien podcast. That's not what I thought you were going to say. I know. It's not a margarita anymore. Maybe that's the podcast we should do. the Jenny McCarthy alien podcast well then then you get a little sick of it you can't I'm like a buffet I need a little bit of everything or I get a little soup plantation once a month you have the alien that's right what is your go-to meal to look the way you do is it still a steak it's still a ribeye it's still a fatty ribeye with an avocado I swear by it and what's the supplement that you go to what's your like your main ones I have essential multivitamin that's chelated minerals so that means it pulls the metals out of your minerals.

1:17:56It's very important. Do we have a brand for that? I need to know what the brand is. I'll text you. Okay, you got to tell me the brand. And then I'll put it in the comments for you guys. Then it's also a methylated B vitamin. I go to Thorn. Okay. And then I also use Thorn's Super EPA, like the fish oils. Then I do a lot of probiotics, you name it. I'm on five different ones. I do like echinacea. I do lymph drops. Your IV. My IVs once a week. And I mean, glutathione is also amazing for the skin. Like in Korea, people get glutathione IVs just to have a great complexion in their skin. So it does wonders for your skin.

1:18:36If you, you know, care more about your outside than your inside, still get the glutathione because it does great for your face. Also, I forgot to tell you this. You and I both did air sculpts with Dr. Aaron Rawlings. I love air sculpts. We both did it. That worked, you guys, for my paramenopause belly. I could not get rid of no matter how much I starved myself back in the day. It was just living there. And then I got it sucked out. Yeah, I did my glove handles with him and my arms and it was great. Right. I loved it. Yeah, it was a 10-hour. I was awake. You're awake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you feel like you're like 12 cocktails deep.

1:19:14I was high. Yeah, you're high. I was singing Pink Floyd while he was doing it. I was singing Dark Side of the Moon. I like him personally a lot. I liked him too. Yeah, he's a good dude. He's a good one. Okay, where can everyone find you, shop your products, follow you next? What's in the works? Formalist Beauty is the name of the company. And then also, you know, my social media, Jenny McCarthy and Masked Singer will be coming out. and then hopefully a podcast will be coming out. And I have a book next September. And I just want to say thank you for all the people that are starting to come out and support and send messages because I could use the support.

1:19:55It really, really helps people like me that aren't afraid to be bold and brave, but it does help to have support behind you. So thank you guys. I think you'll get a lot from this audience. I want you to come back when your book is coming out and talk about perimenopause. I would love nothing more. Yeah. And I would teach you so much. By the time when you hit menopause, you're going to be like, you're going to say, I didn't even feel it. You're going to say, I don't even feel menopause. I really hope you're right because I think it's bullshit that we have to get pregnant and do all this shit, have postpartum, breastfeed, and then you get perimenopause.

1:20:28It's like insane. Yeah. And have a period. And you guys sit around with your saggy assholes. Take it up with the Lord above. Jenny, thank you for coming on the show. You guys are awesome and I appreciate your show. Thanks for what you guys are doing. Oh, thank you for coming on. Open invite anytime.