Low Libido, Hormone Imbalances, & How To Reignite Your Sex Life Ft. Josh & Katy Whalen Of Joi + Blokes

13:40Michael Bosstick:And there's a lot of shame. It's kind of like one partner doesn't know how to approach the other and one person doesn't want to tell the other partner that they're having issues. And so like they don't talk about it and they beat around it and say, oh, I'm just not into this. It's like, no, there's a hormonal issue likely going on that people are ashamed to address and talk about.

13:58Josh Whalen:And it's so important to be balanced together, right? Like you don't want your husband just to be the only horny one and then you're like kind of annoyed, right? Like you want to have a sex drive too. And I feel like we've figured, and that's honestly what's helped us too, like through working together, through scaling this business. It's like, it's been really stressful. And I don't, you know, there's been challenging times where we've questioned if we would make it. And I think that having that -

14:21Katy Whalen:That's like every day, by the way. It's like, oh, payroll.

14:25Josh Whalen:But I think -

14:26Katy Whalen:We're self-funded, you know? It's a different beast.

14:28Josh Whalen:But I think having that, like that continues to help us like have that connection. And I think that's important just through all the ups and downs.

14:36Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:It is a real mindfuck working together, raising kids, being in a relationship and having to engage like this on a mic, which it sounds like you guys do too a lot. It's a wild beast and you have to be really up for the challenge. And it's challenging, but it's also rewarding. But it's a mindfuck.

14:57Katy Whalen:it's it is and there's like a a reality we've talked to investors and some investors like we're well we don't invest in husband wife couples i'm like yeah but there's some shitty partnerships and we have a really good one like measure the partnership but i i think it for us it's just it's worked so so well like there are a lot of things that i'm good at and there's a lot of

15:19Josh Whalen:things i'm not that i mean we've had to get we've had to get through some things for sure and figure

15:24Katy Whalen:some stuff out that that happens every three months by the way like if you're not working together as a couple like we're always trying to hone in you know i feel like i do when when i'm

15:34Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:mad you don't even know this i would love to know i'm sure i do i just stick them in the sauna

15:38Michael Bosstick:oh well that's nice and hot and cooked that's a i kind of like that thank you no because there's

15:45Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:no phone there's no kids there's no distraction you're in a sauna with me and guess what we're having eye contact like this my boobs are up and perky and i can say right what i need to say is that not right it works for marriages that's a life hack this literally happened yesterday i get him right where i want him and you get him for 20 minutes straight undivided attention and you can get all your business done in a sauna oh my god so do you guys do like hot rock or

16:14Michael Bosstick:infrared what's your we do the we do the well we have we do both but more frequently the one you want to do though is the barrel yeah we love the barrel we have one turn that shit up yep get them nice and hot i don't like doing an infrared with people i feel like i just go in there and like

16:28Katy Whalen:read a book or sit and get infrared's not that the community aspect's not there as much yeah

16:32Michael Bosstick:but the barrel one you're like suffering through that those last few minutes you're like okay yeah

16:37Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:i love the barrel explain to us microdosing peptides because that's like all the rage right now what's what from your point of view what does that mean yeah well that's that's typically a glp

16:47Josh Whalen:one you're talking about, right?

16:48Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I'm talking about anything. I don't know if I've heard -

16:50Katy Whalen:I mean, everybody's microdosing everything. Mushrooms, all the meat, everything.

16:53Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Yeah, I hear the word microdose, it's like all the time, no?

16:56Michael Bosstick:Well, like, okay, so I'll give you a very practical example. I was talking to a friend of mine that's in this space, and Austin has a lot of people that are around this world, and I was saying, like, what are the, you know, what are the things? And we were talking through different peptides, and I was like, well, I want to feel good for him. He's like, what about microdosing growth hormone? And I paused, I'm like, I haven't heard about that. So I did not do it yet, but because I just don't know enough about it. And I think as it relates to peptides, hormone replacement, growth hormone, you guys are the perfect people.

17:22Michael Bosstick:There's still a lot of hesitation in questions around when, how much, is it safe? Where do you get it? What do I do? Like, can you get off it? Is it forever? There's a lot in there that we can unpack. There's a lot. But I guess for someone who's curious about any of these things, hormone replacement and peptides and growth hormone, like where would you tell them to start and where would you tell them how to think about it?

17:45Katy Whalen:I mean, I would tell everybody to take, get their labs done first. I mean, looking under the hood is probably the most valuable thing. Oh, we have something for you. That's going to be a game changer for, cause we heard you're, you don't like getting the blood, right? Okay. There's going to be a device that's a lot easier that you can do at your home.

18:03Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I would rather have a device go up my ass than get my blood taken. This one goes on your shoulder. would you do that in the sauna i don't think i can do it on my shoulder oh my god i know

18:14Josh Whalen:you've given birth three times you can do it i'd rather give birth you're a warrior then

18:19Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:the the blood just that's the only way you can't do is saliva can i mean there's there's testing i

18:25Katy Whalen:it doesn't mean not every peptide requires a blood test right but if you're just a mess inside like they're the efficacy is just going to be a lot less no matter what you're doing i mean if your diet's off your nutrition's off your lipids peptides are the cherry on top right so you want

18:42Josh Whalen:like all the you want your foundation to be good before you just like try to fix things with

18:45Katy Whalen:peptides i think i the microdosing thing has exploded in the peptide space because of gop ones i think there's a regulatory component you know because there's a massive war between eli lily novel nordis and anything compounded at a 503a or 503b you're not shutting down that body's ability to produce. You're just adding more. And I can tell you this, like maybe there's not some large clinical paper that's tied to a microdose, but we see so many patients and we see so many patients' labs, when they're doing even a GLP-1 at a microdose level, almost every other biomarker is improving. So there's an inherent benefit outside of just how you look and feel.

19:29Josh Whalen:Well, I think that the microdose became so popular because when the drugs first came out, it was everyone was macro dosing and having all the side effects right and it was wild for us like living through it because we prescribed our first glp1 in september 21 21 so early yeah early and it was wild because like you know you and i could take the same dose and you would maybe not not want to eat you'd be like i'm i'm not eating for a week and it wouldn't affect me at all so it just really i think the micro is like everyone has to personalize it because everyone is react so differently to it. And it's so nice to be able to do a small dose and work your way up so that you and if you do that, you never have to feel, you know, a bad side effect or feel nauseous or whatever.

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25:45Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What mistakes do you see people making when it comes to peptides and not just GLP ones, peptides in general?

25:51Katy Whalen:Yeah, I think there's a ton of info out there right now. I mean, I feel like every freaking social media influencer has a peptide regimen now.

26:01Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Well, that's because I'm going to call it out. Sorry, guys.

26:05Katy Whalen:No, please do.

26:05Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:The reason that is, because I've been seeing that everywhere, is they have an affiliate code.

26:09Katy Whalen:Yeah.

26:09Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:And this is just important that people know this. When they're recommending their peptide stack with a swipe up to buy, they get a commission, which is fine. But it's not a one size fits all, right?

26:21Katy Whalen:No, it's not.

26:22Josh Whalen:It's also not really fine and it's illegal.

26:25Katy Whalen:Wait, it's illegal? Well, healthcare is... Well, it depends how they're doing, yeah. I mean, it's like finance is a very regulated field. Healthcare is as regulated, if not more. And you start getting into all payer statutes, you start getting into anti-kickback, stark with physicians. There's so many things that are right now happening that are crossing the line. The unfortunate thing is this administration has not done a damn thing about it. And really what you've seen the emergence of the research peptides, like the bonafide peptides that are FDA approved are coming out of a 503A. You're getting it with a legitimate prescription.

27:00Katy Whalen:I have no concerns on that. But the research side is where it's getting really hazy and really gray. And what big pharma has done a phenomenal job at is saying, if you're not FDA approved and you're not coming from our manufacturing line, you are bad at 503A, 503B. And they put the research in there with it. so I think the biggest mistake that people make is they don't have enough information they're not making the right decision about their health and you know I mean the worst case scenario is you know they something bad happens the best case is it's there's nothing in the peptide itself and we've seen tests we've tested some of these research peptides and some of them just have

27:40Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:nothing in it no potency no sterility nothing what do you guys say to people and this is not necessarily my opinion this is just what the team asked what do you guys say to people that say

27:50Katy Whalen:peptides grow things that are dormant well there's that's also the case for why you should be under

27:55Josh Whalen:medical supervision because there are like the growth hormone releasing peptide you talked about like you don't want to take that if you may have active cancer so that's why you have to screen people you have to monitor them you have to make sure like that they're the right candidate and that's why it's dangerous to just follow an influencer that's stacking a bunch of throwing a bunch of shit in their body without, you know, consulting someone who understands them.

28:18Katy Whalen:God knows where. I mean, not that there's anything wrong.

28:21Michael Bosstick:Maybe talk about that as well, because I think to your point, that's a big question. And a lot of the people that are in this space and really like doing well, they always call out like, where are you sourcing these things? What pharmacies? And even when you're saying 503A and B, I don't think a lot of people that are listening, maybe some, but not everybody even knows what that means yeah like one of them is an fda certified they're they're all they're all

28:44Katy Whalen:in some level recognized by the fda nothing anytime something it doesn't matter what it is a thyroid medication a peptide a insulin whatever if it's coming out of a compounded pharmacy and it's physically compounded is no longer an fda approved product you can have similar but not the same ingredients but a 503a the easiest way to think about it is it's a fully customizable to you, your body. The clinician is writing that script based off of what they think is best for you. 503B on the other hand is, it's like a 503A without personalization and is more like an assembly line. They can produce a mass amount at one time.

29:23Katy Whalen:Bulk for no one specifically.

29:25Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:If someone wants to get on peptides, the process is you get your blood drawn and then you automatically get prescribed them or how does it work?

29:33Josh Whalen:No. And like Josh said, you don't have to get your blood drawn for peptides. You know, really what it is is like what's going on with you, right? Like what are your symptoms and what are your goals? So there's peptides for all different kinds of things, skin, gut health, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, we always think labs are a great way to start in general, but you do not, that's not like a requirement. In our system, you know, you can just go to the website and click on Termoralin, for example, growth releasing peptide. And then we would have you fill out in pretty extensive form that behind the scenes a clinician would review.

30:07Josh Whalen:And then if you're a candidate, it would be prescribed and shipped to you. What benefits are you guys seeing from the peptides?

30:13Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Like things that have blown your mind?

30:15Katy Whalen:You know, I mean, I think GLP-1s are the single biggest blockbuster therapy peptide ever. I think it will trump that of even like a Viagra, you know, like that was a massive blockbuster drug. I think that that is probably the most life-changing peptide that I've seen. Everything else to me, and I love peptides where I feel it. I love hormones when I feel it. GLP ones, you're going to feel it.

30:44Josh Whalen:But we've got like, you know, the nasal spray that we do. I have some, I mean, this is probably more of a girl thing, but I've got quite a few women that will like text me or message me and be like, oh my God, thank you. Now I can finally poop every day. So like it really helps with like bowel movements and gut inflammation and that kind of stuff. So that's a big deal for people, especially women. Then I love our GH copper peptide for, for like skin and hair and stuff.

31:07Michael Bosstick:Is that a topical or is that a topical?

31:10Josh Whalen:It can be injected and I love it injected, but you cannot get that right now as an injectable. I'm hoping that some point you can again. I heard that's amazing. Like you just said for

31:19Katy Whalen:hair growth i've heard that's really good for hair growth so we have grown to a level of scale where we're not i i know all the fringe peptides and that's the ones that everybody wants to talk about and that's what all the influencers are promoting the bpcs the cjcs done i've been there but like we've grown to commercial level where we just can't offer that because it falls outside of the regulations but there's a lot of benefits and and i think of so many of them of just like putting a cherry on the top. Like, it's just like, damn, I just feel good. Like growth hormone, energy levels, that lean muscle mass.

31:57Katy Whalen:It's a phenomenal, phenomenal peptide.

31:59Josh Whalen:What's your stacks? I do do that one. And I will tell you, so you want to cycle peptides too, right? You don't want to like overload your receptors. So I'll tell you like when I stop doing the Sermoralin, I can really feel it like after our workout. So we'll do a trainer a couple times a week. And if I'm not on it, like I'll be really sore and like kind of hate myself the next day. You know, you can't sit down without pain. So that's like a big thing that I noticed with that one. And it also helps with like sleep and stuff. So I definitely prefer to be on that one.

32:32Katy Whalen:I'm TRT testosterone.

32:34Michael Bosstick:So switching back to that, are you, is that now a lifelong?

32:38Katy Whalen:For me, it will be. There's a misconception that is a lifelong thing that you have to do. we have patients that have got on it improved their health metabolic health they've lost weight they've packed on lean muscle they get off of it do their do their levels maintain at that that state that they were on where they're on no never not not really at least anecdotally but they can get to a point where they didn't start and so it is a choice but for me i don't ever want to go back to no sex drive josh and you know tubby josh it's a very important thing you know but there's also

33:11Josh Whalen:you know in our clinic we more than trt we prescribe something called enclomiphene which doesn't shut down a man's production it actually helps boost their natural production so that's more of our business than actual trt is and i think that that's some like a tool that more

33:28Katy Whalen:that increases the sperm what does that yeah yeah it's a it's a basically a derivative of

33:33Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:of clomid i've had enough sperm don't go on that one that's enough sperm sperm out well here's

33:40Katy Whalen:Here's what's beautiful. It does not affect fertility. If anything, it enhances it. And I mean, for a lot of men, you don't suffer testes shrinkage. And your testosterone, some guys, it's like you got to slow down. I mean, three times are their baseline. It's been an incredible therapeutic. And part of the reason we're seeing this so much is because we're seeing low T at a younger and younger age.

34:04Michael Bosstick:So for all the lab work you guys see, you're seeing low T start to trend at a much younger... What do you think that's from?

34:14Josh Whalen:Stress is a big one. I mean, your cortisol and testosterone will fight for the same attention. And then, yeah, diet. What do they say? 70 % to 80 % of U.S. adults have some sort of metabolic dysfunction. So if your insulin is off, then that's going to lower your testosterone too.

34:32Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I also see a lot of men that I talk to that have low T spend a lot of time in front of computers under LED lights. They're not in the sun. They're not grounding. They're not outside. They're not lifting weights. Like sometimes I think we try to like overcomplicate it as a society. Like men need to go hunt and gather. I want him to go kill the tiger, chop some wood, drag it back to me. Get your feet out on the grass. Get in the sun. Is that too much to ask? Be a man. And then the sauna. If you're just sitting behind a computer, like your dick is going to be limp. I don't know what to say.

35:03Katy Whalen:No, no, no. That is an absolute factor. Men that are not working with their hands anymore. Like it is desk jobs and bullshit, social media and stress. I got a personal story. My buddy texts me. He's like, bloke's results are in. This is like my best friend I've known for 20 years, Marv. And he's like, I'm like, holy shit, dude. Your testosterone levels are 1300. It's free. It was like 180. I'm like, is he single? He's not. He's a dad, but never taken any testosterone ever. Guess what he does? Works with his hands. He renovates homes. He does literally air squats every day, 100 to 200 air squats every day.

35:45Katy Whalen:Never had any other thing. I'm like, people ask me all the time, what's the best thing to do? Just focus on the basics.

35:50Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:My next business is geared towards men, and it's a big block of wood with an ax.

35:55Michael Bosstick:No, but I mean -

35:55Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Go outside.

35:56Michael Bosstick:There you go.

35:57Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Make me something. thing.

35:58Michael Bosstick:We moved to Texas in 2020. And before we got here, we were living in LA and we were both of us living in a very, in my mind now, looking back an unhealthy way. It was a lot of work. It was a lot of stress. It was a lot of sitting at the computer. It was like that the environment was bad. And when I got out here, like one of the first things we did is we started overhauling our health. And what I realized, I was probably 20 pounds lighter than I am now. And I just, But looking back, I'm like, what the hell was I doing? Like, and we talk about it all the time. And so one of the things that we did when we got out here is like outside sunlight, working out, moving right.

36:36Michael Bosstick:And listen, there's still room for supplementation and all these things. But to your point, if you don't get the basics right, like it goes quick. And at the time, looking when we were there, we thought we were in great shape. We're like, oh, we're good.

36:46Katy Whalen:But I know I get asked all the time. Like, what's what's the what would you tell the guy? I'm like, focus on your sleep and focus on your stress. Like those are two really hard things for me. But it's also hard to do, right?

36:56Josh Whalen:Like it's easy to say. Work at it. No, it's hard as hell.

36:59Katy Whalen:Like, I mean, every, we wake up every morning at six, we hear our kids' footsteps, like, how'd you sleep? That's the first thing we say. Like, we just want to check in. And if we slept well, we're fist bumping, making breakfast, onto the races.

37:13Michael Bosstick:So what happens to a couple from a hormone perspective that starts to exhibit, you know, poor sex life, not connecting, low intimacy? see like what what's actually biologically going on with them most likely i mean you i mean

37:27Josh Whalen:testosterone obviously we've talked about but there's it's all it's all your hormones like you really need them all to be balanced in the right levels to to to feel good and feel like you want

37:36Katy Whalen:that drive and so it's overall health i also think it's like we get so tied up on data and biomarkers and sometimes the most important thing is just feedback symptoms and you know if you talk to clinicians who have been in this space who've been doing functional and integrated they're like I can tell you exactly what's wrong without even seeing your biomarkers and most of the time they're pretty spot on but for most couples it's like I mean how many women have we talked to who's like I couldn't stand the way he breathed you know let alone like sex like that was not happening and and you know you just, you start to lose that connection.

38:15Katy Whalen:And every time we hear it, like, yeah, he just sits on the couch. All he's doing is watching football. He's not playing with the kids. He's not active. Like there are more things to be looking out for outside of like your, your internal data.

38:27Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I also think that we've lost the art of being able to feel when we're in alignment intuitively, like everyone is so busy checking all the data on every single wearable that they have. And there's something like, wait a minute, like, let's get back to the basics of like listening to our intuition and maybe sitting in silence and meditating and hearing our body talk to us. Cause I think if you listen, it tells you a hundred percent.

38:52Josh Whalen:And I think so many people ignore that, especially like when you're busy and when your parents and it's just like, you, you make excuses like I'm getting older or I'm a mom now or whatever. And you just like ignore all those things and then that ends up biting you you know in like i think especially when you're in like your 30s upper 30s 40s 50s like that's such a crucial time to listen and go like how am i gonna what do i want for the last part of my life like the last 20 because typically like in america at least and especially for women we're living like 20 of our lives in bad health so and that's that's like a long time.

39:31Josh Whalen:It's like 16 years. So I think it's like the time is right in that, you know, midlife perimenopause to really figure out like how you want that last 20 % of your life to be.

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45:00Josh Whalen:What kind of hormone? No, we don't do pellets. You know, pellets are life, can be life-saving for some people. I've heard, you know, I've got good friends that say that they've saved their life and their marriage. But the problem with a pellet is you put it in and then for three months you're stuck with that. So if it's too much for you, you can't get it out. So we don't recommend pellets. But, you know, you can do creams or injections or, you know.

45:23Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:You can't have ADHD, though, I feel like, with a cream. I could see myself putting a cream on and be like, forgot the cream and then I'm touching the baby.

45:32Josh Whalen:That's why I like injections better, honestly. but most people are like, eh, I'm a little scared of an injection. So like a cream's an easy way to start but ultimately like injections are easier. You do it once a week. but I've heard nightmare stories

45:43Michael Bosstick:of like dudes not realizing that that cream gets everywhere and they're touching their kidneys. Yeah,

45:48Katy Whalen:you're not doing a creamier. That's a fact. This happens. I mean, that's why they tell you to rub it in your inner thigh.

45:52Josh Whalen:And then everyone absorbs that differently too. Like some people have skin that like, you know, it'll go into really easily and then some don't. Yeah,

45:58Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:but what if you're getting intimate with your partner and he has cream all over his inner thighs? The cream thing is like - You're pumping and grinding anyway. it's gonna come off i agree oh my god i feel like we're not doing a cream like there's no cream

46:11Katy Whalen:the injection is just like a so easy it's a shot yeah subcutaneous tiny like 31 gauge needle i can tell you for perimenopause and menopause testosterone for you and and this is we offer testosterone to to men and women it's going to be the thing this year for for perimenopausal menopausal women it is the one thing that every female comes back and we're about to actually launch our for our second study and we did a massive 300 plus cohort of females that it is remarkable what testosterone does for women and most people come in with like really low numbers

46:49Josh Whalen:almost zero women yeah i don't it's stress probably it's also probably maybe birth control

46:54Michael Bosstick:pill like there's a lot of things that lower it more hormonal issues with men or women not like I'm just wondering if it's across the board, men and women.

47:04Josh Whalen:I'd say it's both men and women. But women are a little bit harder to figure out because, you know.

47:09Katy Whalen:That's three hormones. That sounds about right. Or complicated.

47:12Josh Whalen:What if someone wants to get off thyroid medication? You mentioned that earlier. Yeah. Tell me about that. I mean, thyroid is one of those where you think you have to be on it forever, and some people do. But ultimately, if you can fix all the other things, like the underlying issue, then you might be able to get off it. That's what happened to me. so you know you have to get all your other hormones right you have to make sure your your metabolism and your is is great and you have to make sure you're getting all the supplements it just depends on how bad it is and how how well you can kind of figure everything else out we've

47:45Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:kind of been fed a little bit of lie soup though there's a lot of lie soup going on a lot of lies you know we can't get off thyroid medicine that's what they tell you gary brecca's big thing is that

47:53Michael Bosstick:the only guarantee of being on thyroid medicine is that you're going to up the dosage over yours and his big thing is like there's ways to get off it. I'm not going to worry. You can look it up on YouTube guys. Like if I'm talking about it, because he's going to say it much more eloquently than me.

48:03Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I've cut my dosage in half. So I've had a different reaction.

48:07Michael Bosstick:But I think to your point, we have to start asking ourselves, why do we need the thyroid medication to begin with? Right.

48:13Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Are you, are you trying to get off of it? Yeah, I want, I'm not, I cut it in half and I've had great results with that. I mean, I would like to get off of it. Yeah. I was put on it at, I was, you know, I gained like 70 pounds. with my firstborn and they put you on it. What's strange,

48:30Michael Bosstick:I've heard so many women talk about being on thyroid medication. I've not heard barely any men tell us that they're on thyroid medication. Wait, what's this?

48:38Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Someone said that there's a reason the other day on the show. They may be on it, but I guess,

48:41Michael Bosstick:but it seems like there was a period of time where there was a lot of thyroid medication being prescribed to a lot of women. We had a dentist on

48:48Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:and he said that root canals and remember he said like, I have screws and I had screws in my face from jaw surgery. He said things like that can trigger the thyroid.

48:57Katy Whalen:Well, you know, it's interesting. I think it's also to, you know, men, testosterone is such a big bioavailable marker. Women, it's still, it's, they carry more testosterone than they do estrogen, but the symptoms are really freaking similar. like fatigue is very similar to low t and women and men but you know there's so many different hormones that are going on that i think it's also just a buzzy word too like there's so much marketing around thyroid care right now and and that's for women it's imperative that they're getting their blood drawn and you're differentiating the two like a lot of times women will come in they say i got a thyroid issue and you're like no you got a t issue i'm supposed to schedule one um

49:36Michael Bosstick:recently said that someone's going to do it in my house go down the street and don't touch me for I have to go around the alley and draw my blood out. Do not slay next to me.

49:43Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Go in the guest room. No, no.

49:44Michael Bosstick:We do. We look at the levels. And I think everybody should. And we had the Jevity guys on here talking about... I think everybody should do it. I have another question for you guys. So say somebody wants to work with you. And they're suspecting they have a hormone issue. And maybe they're in an intimate relationship. And they don't know how to approach their significant other or their partner with this. Because they're maybe uncomfortable with the conversation. I think this is a very common thing. How would you... because you two are both so open, how would you two advise a couple approaching, you know, one or the other with this topic if they suspect that their partner's hormones are off?

50:19Katy Whalen:I think there is a just completely different angle. Like if you, if you can't approach the hormone subject, there is like a preventative angle. I mean, we do so much blood, like we catch things before they become a bad issue. So I think there's that angle, but also like.

50:36Josh Whalen:yeah do it together like hey let's do this together and and check out where we're at

50:41Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:here's what you're gonna do you're gonna get him in the sauna and you're gonna say let's do our

50:44Michael Bosstick:blood work together i already scheduled it listen like you seem like you seem very open to these kinds of conversations but you know like we know guys in our life where like if their girl comes and says yo man you got low t like they're gonna they're gonna lose it or they're gonna shut down and vice versa like listen as a man going to her and be like hey man never goes to a woman says your hormones are off that's a death sentence yeah i wouldn't do that but i but i do think like what's going to happen i know with this episode is likely one person in the relationship is going to hear it for sure there's going to be some light bulbs going off and they're going to want to approach their partner and say like okay and maybe you could just play this episode but

51:21Katy Whalen:the beautiful thing is blood is not the same as it was 10 years ago like when you went to your primary care and you got one or two markers it's kind of sexy now like it's like become like hey I'm really getting all these data points. And if I'm in a relationship, let's say I care about the spouse, it's about longevity. It's about heart disease. It's about cancer. It's about so much more than just hormones. If you can't approach that subject, like there's a better way to go about it. I mean, our, our biomarkers are 55 to 110. You can focus on things outside of sex hormones. Yep.

51:54Michael Bosstick:And then within that, you could say, and by the way, we should look at this marker as well. and hey like you know and it's not then it's not so personal on one's it's not like hey you're not

52:02Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:having sex with me yeah you know what would you guys say to yourself when he didn't have sex knowing everything you know now what would you say to you guys years ago i mean i would have punched myself in the face that's the testosterone in him see now he's got some testosterone he's

52:20Katy Whalen:like i'm gonna beat your ass josh so so here's what's messed up we'll go through pictures and And, you know, you get the time lapse and stuff that come up on your phone. And you're like, fat Josh was not good looking Josh. And I, you know, knowing now, I literally would have done that. I would have grabbed me and I would have said, dude, you're going to die by the time you're 45. I'm 43 years old. Like heart disease runs in my family. And I was already pre-diabetic. I was still working hard, playing hard. If you want to see your kids, my dad died when he was like 62. too. Like I got bonus years.

52:58Katy Whalen:I got to get to 80, man. My kids, Rowdy's five, Lenny's eight years old. When they're in their thirties and forties, I want to be striving, going down mountains with them, like hanging out. Like it's, you owe it, if not to yourself, your family.

53:15Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I need you to pull up one of those photos and text it to us or email it to us so we can put, but not right now, but later. I might have one. To put on B-roll.

53:26Katy Whalen:Yeah.

53:26Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:So we can show the audience the transformation that you've had.

53:30Katy Whalen:Yeah.

53:30Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What would you say, Katie, to yourself? If you could go back and give yourself advice when you were confused about why he wasn't.

53:36Josh Whalen:Well, for women, I would say it's not you. Do not blame yourself. Do not look inward. It's their shit, and they need to figure that out. And at the end of the day, I finally did, and I said, hey, this is not working for me, and you need to figure your shit out. And, you know, that was the line I drew.

53:54Katy Whalen:Yeah, I mean, the big D is not something you want to talk about in a relationship.

53:58Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:It depends on what big D was talking about. I forgot we're on that subject. I was like, what is he talking about? No, we want the big D. Divorce, for the record.

54:08Katy Whalen:Oh, the divorce word, yeah. But the big D, you know, but yeah, that was, you know, like, I always dated girls and you'd break up, but like, you don't realize how serious it is. And she was just, she was ready. And I mean, we went to a marriage counselor and not once did that. We went to multiple marriage counselors. We went to multiple doctors.

54:29Josh Whalen:We went to a sex therapist. Remember that? There was like a vagina up there.

54:33Katy Whalen:There was a stuffed vagina. They're like, let's talk about your family history.

54:35Josh Whalen:I'm like, no, this is going to take too long. Like I need, I need something. I need a fix faster than this.

54:41Katy Whalen:But you know what's remarkable? Not one, not one of those encounters did they ever go, dude, go get your blood checked.

54:48Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Wow.

54:49Michael Bosstick:that's kind of wild wild so what do they typically say they're like it's all about

54:56Katy Whalen:mental stress what's going on i'm like fuck i'm i'm messed up let's let's fix the problem you know

55:03Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:that is crazy that they never asked you about testosterone once that's actually wild so if someone wants to start peptides and they're listening what is the first thing they do if they want to sign up to work with you guys.

55:17Josh Whalen:We have an easy online form, Phil, that you can kind of put in your health history and we can help you decide what is right for you. We always recommend meeting with a clinician too, so that's an option. We're very proud of what we've built in terms of our clinicians. We have people that really care and people that have really gone outside of traditional medical education to get the functional training. So they're really great to talk to and we offer

55:42Katy Whalen:like 30 and 60 minute consultations with with them yeah i think i think it's a good point to make it katie and i spent a whole week and we're like trying to figure out our business you know we're these hustlers and scrappy people and we're like what what makes us different or how can we be better and we spent a whole weekend and we went through every one of our competitors trust pilot reviews and ours and we're like what are they like what is that patient like what don't they're like we made a like an absolute mandate that our clinicians listen before treating listen to the symptoms and we probably like it is something that i think is a secret sauce for us we have badass clinicians we have really good that are integrative functional type approach clinicians

56:24Josh Whalen:that listen yeah i mean i have like friends and and patients that'll you know say oh my like one of my girlfriends came to me the other week and she's like i actually cried because this is like the first time in my life where I actually feel like heard and that I'm hopeful now. And like, there's something that will actually help me. And I've never had that my whole life. And this is like a midlife person. I'm like, Jesus.

56:47Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What I get from this episode too, is that you guys have this here, you save marriages. I think that's, you're also not selling that, but that also seems like a real perk to working with you guys. It seems like you're, because of your story, you're focused on really making a marriage strong through being, having the right tools, right?

57:05Josh Whalen:The right tools yeah and it's obviously not all about sex that's an important component but like the like having your hormones right also just helps in general with life drive for life sex

57:15Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:is important it's important my friend weston talks about this all the time he says we spend

57:22Michael Bosstick:so much time on personal development how to build our business how to raise our kids how to be healthy in the gym and like when it comes to our sex life everyone just like thinks it's like a granted and given, but it's, it's an integral role. Like if you want to make a child, you have to have a good sex life. You have, you know, if you want to have intimacy with your partner, if you want to have connection, like, but we, we kind of just like, oh, that's a thing you do off to the side. Cause maybe because of the taboos around it, but every other area of life, you're going to seminars, you're reading books, you're stuck.

57:48Michael Bosstick:You're doing courses, you're listening to podcasts, but with that subject, you just think it's going to happen and be great. And a lot of people, I think, let it kind of fall by the wayside. And just like anything else, if you don't put a

57:58Katy Whalen:focus on it it's yeah how could it be this whole business and experiences allowed us to be very open and honest about our sex life like what we need what she needs what i'm reading yeah and and that's when sex for us got good yeah like it got real like you're like all right let's do that and you guys want to do it on the couch yeah yeah sure go for it zoom the cameras my good angle no it's yeah back to the clinicians are like our secret sauce we believe and we do say we save marriages because we do we absolutely do

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58:53Josh Whalen:if they just want to drop a DM yeah we have two one just for the women is at joy women's wellness and joy is J-O-I

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59:05Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:you

59:06Katy Whalen:god we can't get off this can we get blown D becomes something else

59:10Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:no I can't I have the worst it's gonna be a good night tonight and guys

59:14Michael Bosstick:we will link everything in the show notes too so you can always just click that and find it there thank you both thank you guys you guys are great thank you

59:20Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:and it's very cool to see how you guys have transformed your marriage and to something like beautiful it's really cool

59:26Katy Whalen:yeah it's a lot of work it's it's and it's worth it the business is is a lot of work and marriage is a lot of work and but there's there's a reward yeah yeah i mean if you if you can come out the

59:37Michael Bosstick:other side of it and get through all the shit and trust me we go through all the shit all the time i think it's the most rewarding thing but so many people unfortunately they kind of hit those roadblocks and they just toss it off being married though is like being on curb your enthusiasm

59:49Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:like it's the same fight the same day groundhog day this morning I'm on my vibrating plate in my robe brushing my teeth and he wants to come in and have a full conversation and I gotta like I gotta I need a second

1:00:03Michael Bosstick:I love the vibrating plate

1:00:06Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:it's great but you are like that

1:00:08Michael Bosstick:that influencer meme like they say does all the things they do all the things

1:00:12Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I gotta do 20 things at once there is

1:00:14Josh Whalen:there's so much to do and you're busy

1:00:15Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:my morning routine involves 30 minutes of a conversation with you about what like I don't know it's I don't need to turn on the news he just gives me a full rundown

1:00:24Michael Bosstick:what's the peptide to calm it down a little bit I'm just kidding that's maybe more of a hormone