Paris Hilton: The Truth Behind The Persona — Fame, Trauma, & Reclaiming Her Story

26 Jan 2026 · 1 h 13 min · 38 chapters

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Episode Overview

  • Podcast Title: The Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show
  • Hosts: Lauryn Evarts Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
  • Guest: Paris Hilton
  • Episode Number: 932
  • Release Date: [Insert Release Date]
  • Episode Description:
  • Paris Hilton discusses her life as a global icon, entrepreneur, and advocate. She delves into topics such as nostalgia for the 2000s, influencer culture, mental health, her documentary "Infinite Icon: A Visual Memoir", and her advocacy work against emotional growth schools and AI-generated explicit content.

Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Paris Hilton's Influence and Authenticity
  2. Pioneering Role in Influencer Culture
  3. Paris reflects on her early involvement in creating personal branding before it was labeled as such.
  4. Emphasizes her approach was genuine and not driven by a desire to become an "influencer".
  • ADHD and Creativity
  • Discusses how her ADHD influences her creativity and ability to take risks.
  • Shares that ADHD has been reframed as her "superpower".
  1. Navigating Fame and Media Pressure
  2. The Brutality of Early 2000s Media
  3. Paris recounts how cruel the media was, particularly towards young women.
  4. Discusses feeling very isolated and struggling with self-trust amidst public scrutiny.
  • Reclaiming Her Narrative
  • Emphasizes the importance of telling her own story and the impact of media controlling narratives.
  • Advocates for the power of vulnerability and honesty in sharing personal experiences.
  1. Advocacy Work
  2. Emotional Growth Schools
  3. Shares her traumatic experiences in these institutions.
  4. Discusses the ongoing fight against the unregulated industry of emotional growth schools and the laws she is working to pass.
  • AI and Protection of Children
  • Highlights her efforts in legislation against AI-generated explicit content and its dangers to children.
  • Reflects on her advocacy as a way to protect future generations from her experiences.
  1. Personal Life and Relationships
  2. Family and Parenting
  3. Discusses her hopes for her children, wanting to protect them from the pressures of social media.
  4. Emphasizes the importance of kindness and empathy in raising her children.
  • Marriage and Support
  • Shares how her relationship with husband Carter Reum is based on mutual support and respect.
  • Reflects on the challenges of being a powerful woman and finding a partner who is not intimidated by her success.
  1. The Entertainment Industry
  2. Work Ethic and Business Acumen
  3. Paris describes her intense work ethic, balancing multiple businesses, family, and advocacy.
  4. Discusses the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive and trustworthy teams.
  • Upcoming Projects
  • Her documentary "Infinite Icon" is set to release on January 30th.
  • Mentions a cartoon series based on her life and her ongoing projects in music and beauty.

Key Takeaways

  • Vulnerability Leads to Connection: Sharing personal struggles can empower and connect with others.
  • Redefining Mental Health: ADHD can be a source of creativity and innovation if reframed positively.
  • Importance of Advocacy: Using personal experiences to advocate for systemic change can lead to significant societal impact.
  • Balance in Fame: Fame comes with unique challenges that require self-awareness and a grounded mindset.
  • Empowerment Through Authenticity: Staying true to oneself amidst external pressures is essential for personal and professional fulfillment.

Conclusion Paris Hilton's candid discussion about her journey through fame, mental health, and advocacy provides valuable insights into the complexities of public life. Her experiences highlight the importance of authenticity, resilience, and the power of using one's platform for good. The episode encourages listeners to reflect on their narratives, embrace their vulnerabilities, and recognize their potential to create positive change.

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Introducing Paris Hilton

0:45 to 1:16

Hosts introduce Paris Hilton, discussing her influence on pop culture.

“I personally have felt connected to her since high school because I always related to the idea that being put in a box was boring.”

The Birth of an Influencer

1:16 to 1:40

Paris shares how she became an influencer before it was a trend.

“I feel like I have to start this off with saying that I feel like TikTok and social media culture, influencers, the podcast, none of this would exist without you.”

Living Authentically

1:40 to 2:46

Paris discusses her authentic lifestyle and how it shaped her brand.

“I feel that in my whole life, I've always been very ahead of my time.”

Overcoming Challenges with ADHD

2:46 to 3:40

Paris reveals her struggles with ADHD and how she turned them into strengths.

“And we had the fat Jew on our podcast, but it's been like eight years ago.”

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria

3:40 to 4:43

Exploration of RSD and its impact on Paris's mental health and career.

“So just being raised by Kathy Hilton, who is the OG.”

Media Cruelty in the 2000s

4:43 to 5:44

Paris reflects on the media's brutal treatment of women in the past.

“And that's why I really wanted to reframe it.”

Being Misunderstood

5:44 to 6:42

Paris discusses the isolation of being in the public eye and misunderstood.

“And it's called rejection sensitivity dysphoria or DMN, which is the default mode network.”

Reclaiming Her Narrative

6:42 to 7:43

Paris speaks on the importance of reclaiming her story from the media.

“And I think it's hard for people who are, you know, neurotypical to understand just like how like severe it can feel.”

The Fun of 2000s Culture

7:43 to 9:40

Paris reminisces about the fun aspects of the 2000s despite the challenges.

“But it was like entertainment for people back then tearing down women.”

Building a Personal Brand

9:40 to 10:45

Paris explains how she recognized the power of her brand early on.

“I think 2000s fashion is like the best era in fashion.”
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Work Ethic and Family Legacy

10:45 to 13:10

Discussion on Paris's work ethic, family influences, and business ventures.

“And so when did you realize that you could do this?”

Pressure and Motivation

13:10 to 14:00

Paris shares the pressure of her last name and her motivation to succeed.

Living Beyond the Hilton Name

14:00 to 14:50

Paris Hilton shares her struggles with her family's expectations and her grandfather's pride in her achievements.

“I didn't want to be known as the Hilton Hotel granddaughter.”

The Drive to Create and Entertain

14:50 to 15:27

Paris expresses her passion for creativity and the joy of connecting with her fans through various projects.

“And what's the motivation at this point?”

Understanding ADHD and Misunderstandings

15:27 to 16:00

Paris discusses her experience with ADHD, emphasizing how it fuels her creativity and the challenges faced by others.

“You mentioned earlier with ADHD, you live in the future a lot.”

Wellness Tech and Personal Practices

16:00 to 16:58

Paris reveals her interest in wellness technologies and her daily health practices for longevity.

“I think it's really challenging for a lot of young people now when I reflect because you're misunderstood and then they try to put you in a box and you get frustrated.”

Maximizing Time and Self-Care

16:58 to 19:55

Paris shares her routine of multitasking during wellness treatments, showcasing her approach to time management.

“Red light is very helpful for back pain and the heat.”

Creating a Functional Home Environment

19:55 to 22:32

Paris discusses how she has designed her home to accommodate both work and family life seamlessly.

“And in the hyperbaric chamber, which is amazing.”

Navigating Parenting in the Social Media Age

29:04 to 31:06

Discussing the challenges of raising children in a digital world.

“But how do you think about parenting a young daughter that's going to be introduced to the platforms that we've all now been exposed to, knowing what you know and knowing what you face?”

Advocacy Against Exploitation and Deep Fakes

31:06 to 33:04

Paris Hilton shares her advocacy work to protect children from online exploitation.

“Just like seeing some of these stories and like.”

The Power of Trust and Healthy Relationships

33:04 to 35:56

Exploring the importance of trust in relationships and identifying red flags.

“Like I could just like, I could, I don't know, like a red flag, like barometer or something, or I could just like even look in someone's eyes and like tell like what type of person they are.”

Keys to Longevity in a Career

35:56 to 37:59

Paris Hilton discusses strategies for maintaining a successful and relevant career.

“because a lot of men would get jealous and emasculated being with a powerful, successful woman And he's not like that at all.”

Connecting with Fans through Kindness

37:59 to 41:35

A look at how nurturing relationships with fans can be rewarding.

“You know, one thing that's also extremely fascinating about you is the longevity that you've had.”

The Challenges of Fame

41:35 to 42:00

Paris Hilton shares insights on the unexpected challenges of being famous.

“one of I think Ariel or Mimi was telling me off air that you have like given cars and like crazy giveaways to the fans too.”

The Power of Fame and Kindness

42:00 to 43:16

Explore how fame can be used positively to bring joy to others.

“So that was the only thing it did not burn.”

Navigating the Challenges of Fame

43:16 to 44:22

Learn about the pitfalls of fame and the importance of staying grounded.

“And that's something that I always really kept close to my heart.”

Paris's Connection with Fans

51:33 to 56:00

Understand the importance of connecting with fans and sharing personal stories.

“She told me that when you guys would go out or whenever you go out, that you will literally take a picture with every single person that wants to take a picture, even if it's like an hour and a half.”

Opening Up About Provo

56:00 to 57:59

Paris discusses her traumatic experiences at Provo and the decision to share her story.

“It's just like, you know, people can be dangerous.”

The Impact of Sharing Her Story

58:00 to 1:00:01

Paris shares how telling her story has helped others and saved lives.

“But the fact now that I've told my story and now it's illegal for the things that happened to myself to happen to kids today has been the most meaningful work of my life.”

Parental Misunderstanding and Abuse

1:00:02 to 1:02:35

Discussing why parents send kids to these programs and the misconceptions surrounding them.

“Why do parents think they need to send their kids to these places in the first place?”

Consequences for Abusers

1:02:36 to 1:04:02

Examining how victims are often not believed and the need for accountability.

“it should not be that you hold on to that shame.”

The Healing Power of Storytelling

1:04:03 to 1:05:29

Paris reflects on how sharing her story has contributed to her healing and activism.

“As you have told your story and discussed it more, have the nightmare stopped for you?”

Music as a Lifeline

1:05:30 to 1:07:31

Paris explains how music helped her cope with her past and its profound impact on her life.

“Yes I have just a random question that's a total tangent.”

Creating the Documentary 'Infinite Icon'

1:07:32 to 1:09:33

Paris describes the process of making her new documentary and its significance.

“When you decided to do your new documentary, it's behind you, it's called Infinite Icon.”

Facing Performance Anxiety

1:09:34 to 1:10:00

Paris discusses her nerves around performing and how other artists relate to that feeling.

“So I always feel a little bit shy and especially like doing my first concert.”

Overcoming Nervousness and Embracing Authenticity

1:10:00 to 1:10:57

Learn how nervousness can indicate care and the importance of staying true to oneself.

“That's what Sia told me as well, which is like a really good way to think about it.”

Paris Hilton's Journey and Future Projects

1:10:58 to 1:11:28

Discover Paris Hilton's inspiring life journey and her upcoming projects, including her documentary and book.

“I promise you one day it's going to be worth it.”

Promoting Projects: Books and Animated Series

1:11:29 to 1:12:14

Find out about the projects Paris Hilton is involved in, including her book and animated series.

“Where can everyone watch your documentary and support what you're doing, Infinite Icon?”
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0:00The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Aha! Our guest today is someone who didn't just participate in pop culture, she created it. Long before social media, personal branding, or influencer culture had names, she was already doing it at a global scale. She's a businesswoman, a media pioneer, a mother of two, a wife, and a cultural icon who has been endlessly copied, constantly underestimated, and quietly 10 steps ahead the entire time.

0:52I personally have felt connected to her since high school because I always related to the idea that being put in a box was boring. And she's one of the first women I ever saw who refused to stay in one. Anyway, she has built an empire while the world has watched. And today we get to hear the story in her own words. Please welcome Paris Hilton. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Welcome to the show. I feel like I have to start this off with saying that I feel like TikTok and social media culture, influencers, the podcast, none of this would exist without you. How did you know to tap into all of this before anyone?

1:39Thank you. I feel that in my whole life, I've always been very ahead of my time. And it's something that just is in my DNA. And it all really happened like very just authentically. Like, I wasn't like planning like, oh, I want to be an influencer. It was just like me living my life. paparazzi the world was watching and it just all happened. It's amazing to see that it's inspired so many other people and really created this blueprint. And I'm really proud. Did you know you were creating a blueprint for other people when it was happening? I wasn't even thinking about it in that way. Again, I was just like so authentic.

2:24It was just literally just me living my life. And I think also with my ADHD, it's like something that just gives me this creativity and like a million thoughts going at once and willing to take risks. And that's why I've been such like a trailblazer and an innovator and just doing things first. It's interesting though, watching you all these years, and I was thinking we were talking off air how long we've done this. And we had the fat Jew on our podcast, but it's been like eight years ago. And we were talking about you on that show with him a long time ago. And he was like, people need to get Paris for flowers because what he was doing at the time, I think it was a wine beverage and the way he built his brand.

3:05And we were debating it. And what we were also saying was what's interesting about you is you're like a one of one. And I mean, you can do things that if other people did, you'd be like, I don't know. But when you do it, people understand like, oh, that's you. Have you always been that way? Have you always felt like you've been that way? I feel like I have. I've always been an original. I've always been one of a kind. And I've always lived unapologetically since I was little. Where do you think that confidence comes from? I think being an Aquarius. Our daughter's an Aquarius. Well, we're amazing people.

3:45And the ADHD, again, my superpower. And just my mom is incredible. So just being raised by Kathy Hilton, who is the OG. Also, yeah, iconic. We've had Kathy on the show. We love Kathy. She's the best. How have you used your ADHD to your advantage? Because I feel like you have. Well, Lauren's newly self-diagnosed. A lot of it thanks to you though, because I've started to learn more about it through you. I'm so happy to hear that. Growing up, no one was talking about it when I was a teenager, especially for girls and women. Everyone just would say, oh, this is something little boys have. So I was always so confused.

4:28And in school, it was so difficult for me. As hard as I would study, I could never remember anything. I was always failing my tests. I was just always in detention, getting in trouble. It was always just very difficult for me. And back then, everyone always only said the negative parts about it. And that's why I really wanted to reframe it. and I see it as my superpower and I wouldn't be the entrepreneur I am today without it. It gives me like this drive and always being in the future. And there's the hard parts about it too. It's very overwhelming. And with the RSD, which is like rejection sensitivity dysphoria, like where you just like feel things on such a deep level and it just like, it'd be like so painful.

5:12If like, if you feel like anything negative, it's like very difficult at sometimes, but now I know it's not real. It's just like the RSD picking in. So there's so much to learn. I'll tell you even more about it, but I'm obsessed with like learning more about it and spreading the message because I want people to know that it doesn't have to be something that holds them back in life. It could be something that they can harness as a superpower to really go for their dreams in life. Nobody's ever talked about RSD. What is RSD? How did you know you had it? RSD, 99 % of people with ADHD suffer from RSD.

5:48And it's called rejection sensitivity dysphoria or DMN, which is the default mode network. My doctor, Dr. Hallowell, who's like one of the leading psychologists in ADHD told me all about this, but it's basically like any thought of like a negative perception of you think someone is being rude or you like feel something, you will feel it like it's like physical pain and it's like not even like real like the other people are thinking it's kind of just like this almost like a demon in your mind that is like saying negative self-talk to you and it's something like I didn't even know what this was before but now I know and after talking to so many people with ADHD like they all feel the same way so that's like been a very helpful thing to me because I've been through so many things in my life especially in the 2000s just everything I was going through with the media and suffering from this RSD with ADHD, it was like so, so extremely painful.

6:46And I think it's hard for people who are, you know, neurotypical to understand just like how like severe it can feel. Michael always gets mad at me for things that have to do with it. So this feels really, we're so sensitive and we feel feelings like 50 times more than anything. Sadness, like all of it. Speaking of the 2000s, and again, we watched a lot of that growing up. And we talk about this all the time on the show. The press back then was able to get away with things that I just don't think they can get away with now. Out of control. It was out of control. They were brutal too. So with this, how did you manage that psychologically?

7:28Oh my God. It was so difficult because I didn't know anything about ADHD or any of this. So internally, it was just extremely painful because the media was so cruel, especially to young women. And what happened, you know, back then would not be tolerated today. But it was like entertainment for people back then tearing down women. I think that's another reason why I'm so strong and resilient because to go through that and survive that in a sense is a feat in itself. How did you even talk to anyone about what you were going through? Because there was not, you didn't have anyone who was going through the same experience as you.

8:06I mean, it is, Michael said, one of one. It was, it felt very isolating. I felt very alone a lot of the time because I didn't really trust anyone either. I'd been hurt so much and had so many horrible things happen to me, especially as a teenager as well. Just like very, I just felt very alone a lot of the time because no one would even understand if I tried to explain it to them. Very few people in the world could probably understand what it would feel like. Marilyn Monroe might have been able to understand. Maybe. That's the only other person I can think of that could understand. You had cameras in your face all the time.

8:42Back then you had no mouthpiece to be able to answer any of this. Like now you can go on a podcast, you can do your own thing. You go live, you can speak directly. It's funny, whenever we say something crazy on the show or do something that's going to get us in hot water, I never worry about it. I'm like, well, I just go on tomorrow and clarify or talk. and it kind of loses its steam. But back then, there was no way for you to do that. Yeah. Yeah, it was such a different time back then. And it was so hard. It was almost like there was gatekeepers in a sense where it was like the media and then you could never really tell your story.

9:13So they basically controlled the entire narrative. And that's why it's been so empowering in the past years to really reclaim that and tell the real story. Because for so long, my story has been told by other people who never really knew the whole story or the true story. Is there anything that you miss about it? Is there anything you look back and you're like, oh, I like that so much better than now? Yeah, for sure. Like, of course, like the tabloid culture, that was a nightmare, but everything else was so much fun. Like fashion was the most fun. I think 2000s fashion is like the best era in fashion.

9:49Like so extra, so fun. Like I invented it, so I love it. The nightlife was epic. like nothing ever. It was fun here in LA. So much fun. Every night was fun and there was no cameras. Like it was just like, just like a very like intimate group of like the most fun people in LA. And we would go out every single night and it was just like the best time ever. The people, just the vibes, the energy. Like I loved it. It was so much fun. Even though internally I was going through a lot, I would just have so much fun and try to just forget about all of the things. At one point when you started gaining this kind of attention, did you realize you could start building a real business off of it?

10:32Because I think a lot of people also look at you and think, oh, this just happened. It was by accident. And now in hindsight, clearly it's not. And we're sitting in this room like, Jesus Christ, look at what you've done. Like it's massive. From nothing. From nothing. Yeah. And so when did you realize that you could do this? I realized very early on the power of building a personal brand. and I think it really started when I moved to New York with this whole like I lived a very sheltered life before my parents were very strict in LA I was not allowed to go on dates or go to school dances wear makeup anything so then moving to New York living at the Walter Pistoria hotel started getting invited to like every single event people are paying me to like go to parties then every designer is like giving me all these gowns and designer clothes and handbags all these like things.

11:24And then when I would wear something, it would be in the media and then it would like sell out. And then I remember the first night, The Simple Life aired and it had 13 and a half million viewers. And that next day I was like, no, I can actually parlay this into like a business or a brand. And that's when I started developing my first fragrance. So I remember buying this dress. I don't know if you remember this dress. You wore it. It was maybe it was pink or green. It came in two colors and it had like a big diamond right here and it was tube top and it was always sold out and it was on that site, Singer 22.

12:06And they used your likeness on the site to sell the dress. It was like this silk little mini dress. I'm going to find it. I need to find this. DM it to you. Like a tabloid picture they used? No, but I just remember it was always sold out. You're right. They leveraged your likeness to sell and then it would sell out. I remember always refreshing the page. It was like, I did this very specific dress. You're wearing your hair long, silk, pink mini skirt. We have to pull it up, you guys, if we can find it. And it had a big diamond right here. Anyways, it's just interesting to see. I wonder if I still have it.

12:43I bet you still have it. Like maybe like saved it. It was an iconic moment for you. I remember. But also like Kitson and all those different places always were using your likeness to sell stuff. So people are assuming obviously that you have like an ease and an effortlessness that I notice. But there's so much that has to happen to get to here. What does your work ethic look like? What's the working Paris, the behind the scenes Paris that we don't see? I work harder probably than anyone that I know, just running so many different businesses and so many different business verticals and, you know, everything from doing television, audio, film, building products, building IP, running my media company, recording albums, writing books, being a mom.

13:37on congress DJing singing being an advocate you know going back and forth to DC for all my advocacy work yeah I just I don't stop it's it's non-stop but I feel really blessed that my family really instilled that work ethic in myself from a young age and I was always very inspired watching what my great-grandfather and grandfather built and wanting to build something on my own because I I didn't want to be known as the Hilton Hotel granddaughter. I wanted to be known as Paris. What's the pressure like coming with a last name like that, knowing what your grandfather did? How did you think about that when you were younger?

14:15Yeah, it was definitely a lot of pressure. And then always just wanting to be perfect and just always thinking about what they would think. So yeah, that was something that I always thought about. But I was also extremely close with my grandfather and he was my business mentor. and he was always so proud of me and would always say, Paris, you work harder than any CEO I know. I'm so proud of what you built. So incredible. And he's like, I used to be known as Baron Hilton, founder of Hilton Hotels, and now I'm known as Paris Hilton's grandpa. So that was an amazing moment I'll never forget. And what's the motivation at this point?

14:52Because again, we were talking about you and I know your husband and I know a lot of the things you're involved. You've built so many things. Why do you keep going when arguably like you've kind of, you've done a lot? I just love it. I love to create. I love making beautiful products for my fans all around the world. I love giving them amazing experiences. I love making music. I love to entertain. I love it all. It just, it makes me feel so proud. It's so much fun. And it's only, I'm so used to it. I've been doing it for so long that I just can't imagine anything else. You mentioned earlier with ADHD, you live in the future a lot.

15:32What do you mean by that? I've always been a futurist, seeing into the future, being ahead of my time in so many ways. And I don't know. I feel like people with ADHD are some of the most brilliant and creative minds in the world. And then you look around and you see just the scientists, the people in the entertainment industry, so many musicians, a lot of them have ADHD. And I've been so inspired just hearing so many stories about that. I think it's really challenging for a lot of young people now when I reflect because you're misunderstood and then they try to put you in a box and you get frustrated.

16:12And I think then a lot of kids really start to struggle because you have people that just don't understand basically saying, well, if you don't do it this way, there must be something wrong with you. Yeah. I've felt that way so many times. And like they've always tried to put me in a box as well. And I've always been a person who thinks outside the box and I think the box is boring. And that's another thing with ADHD too, is that we can focus. Like people say like we can't focus, but we can, we just can't focus on boring things. It has to stimulate you. Yes. What's the thing that you were wearing in your documentary that was like a, it was like a thing you wrapped around your stomach with heat.

16:48It's so good. The TheraBody. And it has heat, it has vibration and red light. The new one that just came out is amazing because it has red light as well. Red light is very helpful for back pain and the heat. And I have like a red light bed that I lay in every morning now. And that's been, it's extremely helpful. And I have this guy, Heat, the body mechanic, who is insane. Like he's fixed my back. I do want to pivot here for a second because like I said before we started, you are like a low-key nerd and you're into these things. And I know people that know you have like cutting edge things that other people don't have.

17:28When did you get so into wellness and these practices and using these tools and how do you figure out what you want to try? I've always been an undercover nerd and I'm obsessed with anything to do with technology and now longevity and wellness. and Brian Johnson is one of my friends. I was invested into his company Blueprint. He is so brilliant. So I'm always learning so much from him and David Asprey as well. Dr. Holland, who is amazing. He comes over all the time to give me NAD. Do you do the shots or the IV? What about the stomach? I did the IV. Lauren's never tried it. I did the stomach one too, but the IV is really strong and the methanol blue as well, which gives you so much.

18:12energy. I love just finding out about everything. Peptides, like biohacking. We're going to be creating the longevity center downstairs, which is going to be insane. It should be like a Paravi spa that will have all of the most high-tech equipment. So I just feel like I want to live forever. What are the things that you go back to consistently that you tap into on a regular basis? Obviously, NAD peptides you're doing once in a while, but the things that you do on a daily, weekly practice a day like every morning i go into my red light bed first for 20 minutes and then into the red light sauna for like 25 minutes and then while i'm in there i'm just like doing interviews or working the entire time because i am the queen of multitasking because there's not enough time in the day ever and then i'm obsessed with facials like i love taking care of my skin So like sometimes two or three times a week, like three hour facials again while I'm working the whole time laying there.

19:11Is there a specific chamber, by the way? And yes, there's a facialist. Who's the facialist? Heather Nicole, who I've been seeing for like 15 years now. OK, I got to go to Heather. She's amazing. And you're working during the facial? The whole time. That's what I like to do. You lay on your back and you just work. I have like these things like iPad holders. So I have like two iPads and phone holders. So they're all kind of just like, it looks like I'm like an office with like all these things up on the screens and I'm just like laying there and just kind of just like doing calls, doing approvals, creating things.

19:45Like it's just, I probably get my most work done doing that because I feel like I'm just like getting so much done because I love to like optimize my time as much as possible. And in the hyperbaric chamber, which is amazing. That is like the number one thing for longevity. Are you scared you're going to get locked in? No. Why am I scared of that? Because you read a story one time, like somebody got locked in. You can't. What if you want to get out? They got locked. It's just oxygen. Are you talking about the cryotherapy? No, the oxygen one, if you're in the middle of it and you want to get out, what do you have to do?

20:18Somebody got locked in a hyperbaric chamber and it lit on fire and they couldn't get out and they died. Don't project that into this. Well, I'm just telling you, that's why you're scared. Was it like a small one or a big one? I think it was one of like, you know, when these things first came out, they were like giant metal. I think hers is probably different, but can you get out? Mine fits four people. It looks like a spaceship. Okay. I don't think that was the same one. Gary Brecka is doing his podcast in his hyperbaric chamber. They're dope. I love them. And I love the cryotherapy. I do that every day too.

20:43The cryotherapy too? Yeah. Do you like to cold plunge? No. No. But you like cryotherapy? I like it because you don't get wet. I hate the water and then it's just like you have to go get your hair blown out again. It's annoying. It's a lot of work. Yeah. what is the most unglamorous part of your job that we don't see people like see me out like on red carpets or like performing and I'm like all like dressed up and like in gowns and all that but if I'm not working like I'm just like at home chilling sweatsuit socks no makeup my hair pulled back just like very chill so I feel like it's like my other side to me is like the more glamorous side.

21:25And then my at home side is just like very chill, relax. Is that when you're the happiest? Yes. When I'm at home with my babies, that is my happy place. And you have all your dogs. We got to meet Crypto. Yes. And your home, what I think is so cool about it is you've almost optimized your house to be a place where you can work, but you have your kids, but it's like, it's very fluid. I think that's really cool. You don't have to like leave and go to an office, which is amazing. Yes. It's, it's so amazing. That was very intentional. I feel like I work so much, so I want to be able to do as much as possible from the house.

22:03That's why I built like a recording studio here. We have just my office here, my entire media company, 1111. We built a whole office in the back as well. The whole guest house is like turned into like a full office for everyone. And I can take all my meetings from here. I can have my kids on my lap while I'm just like working away. And I feel like this house is like what I manifested like as a little girl, like what I dreamed I would want it to be like. And now I have it and I just feel so, so lucky and so happy. We took a picture on the pink tennis court. It's fun, right? It's so good. Quick break to talk about Branch Basics.

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26:19I also am in the business of selling my clothes, like I said, and right now I'm currently selling all of Michael's suits that don't fit him anymore. His muscles have grown, so his Tom Ford suits are going on The RealReal. It's a great place to go if you want to shop smart because you can find the pieces from the brands that you love. They have like Gucci, Fendi, Prada. They even have Tiffany & Co. All the different brands. I shop a lot of The Row on there. I find some really great vintage row pieces. As you can see, The RealReal is the go-to place for your next special piece. So if you need a dress for a fancy wedding or you need vacation sandals or you're like me and you're in the market for a good vest, check them out.

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28:52Visit PurelyElizabeth.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 20 % off to taste the obsession yourself. That's PurelyElizabeth.com, code SKINNY. I was thinking about something said earlier as it relates to young girls, and we have a daughter, and I think about this a lot. But how do you think about parenting a young daughter that's going to be introduced to the platforms that we've all now been exposed to, knowing what you know and knowing what you face? What will you tell her as she starts to become mature enough to use these tools? I wish I could never give them a phone. I'm going to try to keep them as young and innocent as possible for as long as I can.

29:37I don't want to give them an iPhone or a phone or anything for a very long time. I just feel like I can't imagine being like 13 years old and having social media and just like all the pressures and then all these weird people who can try to contact them. And like, it's just so dangerous in so many ways and so toxic. so I just want to like make my daughter feel as confident and like I don't know just like not care about those type of things I don't know it comes out get very addictive as well I think yeah let's give them a razor like the phone remember like a razor or Nokia I just released my Motorola Paris Hilton razor it's pink and it's iconic that's what we should give them because then they can't go on social media.

30:32But it goes on social media. Oh, it goes on social media. I feel like this... A Nokia with Snake on it. Like Gen Z probably got it the worst because none of the parents really knew what these platforms were, right? Even for us, like we were like the last generation to kind of grow up without these things and we kind of learned along the way. But if you became a parent in the last, call it decade, there was nobody that's like put their kids through social before. So they had to, it was like they were the experiment generation. So true. And I think now in a weird way, we're better armed, but also the internet's become more and more creepy.

31:05Yeah, it is scary out there. Just like seeing some of these stories and like. What are you doing your advocacy work with? You were mentioning off air with AI, with creepy people. Well, I've just realized so much, just the power and using my voice to make a difference, you know just really making it to protect others from things that have happened to me in life and like as a little girl I've never imagined I'd be standing on the you know steps of Capitol Hill and testifying in Congress and now passed two federal bills and 20 state laws to protect children and now I'm going to be going next week because you know right now with AI and deep fakes and everything that's happening.

31:56It's just the technology is moving so fast and the laws have not caught up with it yet. So my team and I have been talking with legislators, senators, and working with other advocates on this legislation, which is going to basically make it so that these type of things are illegal because there's so many explicit videos being made and deep fakes of underage children, of celebrities, of women, and people all around the world. and there's nothing to protect anyone. So this will basically make it so that the platforms and the people who are profiting off of this, there's going to be repercussions for this, make it illegal.

32:35Almost like everything you've been through has set you up to do this. Because who knows what you've been through with the media being so toxic, you're the perfect person to step up and be the voice for this. Thank you. That's why I like to think about it, that maybe everything in life happens for a reason. And God gave me a special gift. So one day I could use it to make a difference for others. What's your red flags? I think just from going through so much of my life, I've just like, I have a sense where I could just feel it. Like an antenna. Yeah. Like I could just like, I could, I don't know, like a red flag, like barometer or something, or I could just like even look in someone's eyes and like tell like what type of person they are.

33:20And just like lying to me is like, I can tell right away. And I hate that more than anything. And like when I can't trust someone, it's just like so hard for me to be around them ever because I've just had so many people do bad things to me in my life that now it's just like has made me just see it all before it happens. That's what seems like is so strong about your marriage. It seems like you really trust each other. Yeah. When you met Carter, did you know that he was the one right away? I knew there was something really special about him. It was Thanksgiving day and I just walked into my mom's friend's house for lunch on Thanksgiving and he was sitting there with this huge smile on his face and with his mom and he was so sweet.

34:09And right away, I just thought he is so like just nice and different and I loved watching him with his mom and I'm so happy that I met him that day because my life has changed so much ever since and he's the first one that like really like tore those walls down that I had surrounding my heart and he's lifted me up in so many ways that no one ever has and supports me he's like my biggest cheerleader he's like Oh, he is everything. If I ever talk to Carter, we have to first talk for about three minutes about how much he loves you and how great you are, which is amazing. But that's... You could take note though, Michael.

34:47I got to get there. I'm like, hey, Carter, I have an idea about this deal. And he's like, let me tell you about Paris and how amazing he is. I'm like, okay, we'll get through this for a minute, but for sure. It's very sweet like that. He's the best. He's setting the bar too high for the rest of us. I'm like, tone it down. He does seem like a really good husband. Yeah. And he's a good person. He's a good person. He is a good person. He has amazing family values and he's just the best. I'm so lucky. How do you guys work together with everything you're doing? Well, he, we don't like work, work together.

35:16Work, you mean business wise? Yeah. He always jokes that he's my unpaid intern who gets paid in kisses and hugs. But he's incredible. Just like, he's so smart and just one of the most brilliant and most hardworking people I've ever met. and he has just been amazing just to learn so much about investing and he really helps with my team as well, just helping lead so much of it. And of course he runs his investment, M13, but he helps me so much, which is so amazing. So I feel lucky to have someone who wants the best for me because a lot of men would get jealous and emasculated being with a powerful, successful woman And he's not like that at all.

36:04He just wants me to be as successful as possible. And he really just makes me feel safe enough where I can just go for my dreams and really the sky is the limit. There's so many powerful women that have come on the show that say that it's so hard to find a man that doesn't want to just push them back in the jack-in-the-box. they just want to they they make fun of them to make themselves feel better yeah and try to control yeah and it's the the hottest guys are quietly confident i'm sitting in a giant pink room when i think like just saying you're quietly confident no but i think it's for a lot of guys especially if you grew up in a more traditional household it's maybe a mindfuck for some of them to be like hey maybe i'm not the main breadwinner or i'm not the main draw or like somebody else has a bigger career than me.

36:57So I think it requires a certain shifting of mindset. Maybe if you grew up in a household where that wasn't the case, you know what I mean? A lot of guys have, I think, a rough time dealing with that. Do you ever clock when someone realizes that they've misjudged you? Can you see it in their eyes? Yeah. Because being in this industry for so long, I've spent most of my life being underestimated. One of my favorite things is to prove people wrong. So yeah, that's happened a lot of times in my life. Do you feel now, I could imagine that you've proved everyone wrong? Yes. Like you feel like you checked the box?

37:37100%. Is there more that you want to do on your list to prove people wrong or do you feel like you've done it? I've done that part. So now everything I do is... Frinkles? Yeah. It's just like, I love everything I do. And everything I do now is for my fans, for my kids to be proud of me and for me to be proud of myself. You know, one thing that's also extremely fascinating about you is the longevity that you've had. Like you've had a long, still very relevant career. If you were coaching the next generation or someone who kind of wants to follow in your footsteps, what do you think some of the things that you've done in order to stay relevant, and build such a big career, like continue to grow?

38:20Like what are the, how do you think about that? Well, definitely it's about working hard, about surrounding yourself with the right team of people that you can trust and who are capable and people who want to lift you up and not try to pull you down because that can happen as well. And it's also about being authentic, being vulnerable. There's such a power in being vulnerable and real. And I think people want more and more of that and do finding what your passion is, what you love to do and try to make that what you do for a living. What mistakes do you see younger people making when they're trying to build a career in this lane or this fashion?

39:06Definitely hooking up with the wrong teams. I think there's a lot of con artists in this business with products. I think it's so important to like see where things are made, you know, what like you just need to like know where everything is coming from. You need to know to trust everyone on your team because a lot of times I've seen people where they, you know, they've made such a career and then they have a business manager who's been stealing all the money in the background. So you need to be just on top of everything because it can all just come crashing down if you are not aware of everything that's happening around you.

39:41or people just who surround themselves with negative energy or who are just not good people or if they just let things get to their head and they just become not a good person. I think being kind is one of the most important things as well. And I've always led with kindness. You have always led with kindness with your fans too. To see you interact with the fans, it's a very different strategy because some people, as you know, will put themselves on a pedestal. You, I feel like you really like connect. Has that just been something that you've done naturally always? Always naturally. It's never a strategy.

40:23Like my fans, I really consider them like my family, like my brothers and sisters all around the world. I love them so much. And especially, you know, being in this industry and feeling so alone. So many of the times I I used to travel over 250 days out of the year for two decades. And mostly I would just be alone or with like a tour manager. And I would meet up with my fans all around the world. And they have just been there with me through everything and always just have loved me unconditionally. And we've all grown up with each other because I've been around for so long. So all of us have grown up with each other for so long.

41:02And it's amazing just to have fans that are like that. and they call themselves my little Hiltons. And I just, I love and adore them so much. And I love making fun experiences for them. And anytime I go to another country, I'll always have them come meet up or like I'll get them a hotel or I've had them stay at my house, like in Ibiza. A lot of my friends are like, are you crazy? Like, why do you, are you so close with your fans? I was like, because I love them. And I, back then I used to trust them more than I trusted most people in my life. one of I think Ariel or Mimi was telling me off air that you have like given cars and like crazy giveaways to the fans too.

41:44Last year, this woman named Viviana, she her car burned and I saw this TikTok video and the only thing that survived was her pink Paris Hilton Tumblr that she had bought at Walmart. She made great, great, great products. Yeah. So that was the only thing it did not burn. great product but I just was so touched by her story I went and surprised her in Texas and brought her a car and she was so sweet so kind so lovely we still talk now on social media I love her so much and being able to do something like that for someone just I love just making people happy and bringing sparkle to people's lives and it's fun to do those types of like surprises for people You'd probably freak out.

42:33That's really cool. Just like, I really see fame as like a superpower where you can just, just by showing up, saying hello, taking a photo, anything just to bring so much happiness and just mean the world to someone. And that's something that I love to do all the time. It's one of my favorite things. What are the, a lot of people wonder about this and obviously like aspire to get to the level that you've gone to. What are some of the things that you would caution people against when it comes to fame? I guess, what are some of the things that you have to navigate that people just maybe don't think about?

43:04The night before The Simple Life aired, my mom said, when this airs on television tomorrow, your life is going to change forever. And I just want you to never forget the sweet, down-to-earth girl that you are and never let this get to your head. And that's something that I always really kept close to my heart. And I've never changed, never let it get to my head no matter what. And I've been in this business a long time. I've seen so many people come and go because they end up like feeling like they're better than other people and they just completely change and forget who they are and where they came from.

43:36And I think that is an important piece of advice just to not become like that because they also know like you never know when the rug can just be pulled from under their feet and everything's taken away. And then they've lost even their real friends just by the way they treat people. and another piece of advice would be be careful because there's going to be so many people you don't know their intentions if they really like you for you or they're just using you to you know be around or be able to go to the events or go on the trips or use you so i think those are important things and lessons that i've learned right you have to be so much more thoughtful about that because you can't really tell if the intention is to truly just be your friend and get to know you or if they're looking for something from you.

44:21Exactly. One thing that I have done for the last four years is implemented creatine into my routine. It is just habit stacked into my amino water. I add my creatine and I go to the gym. I really, really like it because I think it plays a key role in providing energy for muscle. And it also gives me a really nice intensity for weightlifting. So I'm really into it. So there's this new brand. It's called Pure E and it's kind of unique. So every single batch of Pure E creatine plus is third party tested by the Clean Lab project for more than 200 harmful contaminants. This includes heavy metals, pesticides.

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51:15And then we also have the one that can sit on your vanity. It's a box that you want out. It's so cute. It's baby pink. And I should tell you the towels are shaped like a doily. So that's fun too. Go to shopskinnyconfidential.com to grab your face towels today. You know what Farrah told me about you? She told me that when you guys would go out or whenever you go out, that you will literally take a picture with every single person that wants to take a picture, even if it's like an hour and a half. She said, if you guys walk into a restaurant and you're like walking out and people want to take pictures, that you'll stop and everything you're doing and take pictures with each person and talk with each person.

51:59I mean, that's crazy for how long you've been in this business to still do that. I've always been that way. Even when I do like a book signing or a perfume signing and they'll say, okay, Paris, this is like two hours. And then it will be like maybe five, six, seven hours. Like the mall will be closing and they'll be like, Paris, we need to leave. I was like, no, I need to take a picture of every single person. And I don't like, I see a lot of people, they do the signings and they just sign and don't even take a photo like I will sometimes spend like 20 minutes with a person and just they're talking to me giving me letters like I literally cry just like hearing the stories from people and just them telling me like you shaped who I am today and just how meaningful I've been in their lives and like I am very I have such empathy for people as well and I'm so sensitive to other people's feelings where I literally care about other people's feelings more than myself.

52:56So that's something that's so important to me. And I always tell my team, I always tell my security, like never push anyone away. Don't ever tell anyone no. Like I just would feel so guilty. And I would think about it, even if they're like the mall's closing, but we can't do it anymore. I will then feel so sad the rest of the night being like, oh my God, those people were waiting and I'll just feel so sad for them. But then I'll meet them outside the mall. What like your mother came on and told a story about how you and your sister will literally stay at appearances like the way you're describing.

53:26What other lessons did you, and you've mentioned it to your mother a few times, did you take from her growing up? Because it sounds like she gave you and gives you a lot of great advice. Do you have the tiny pillow that she has? Which one? Those tiny pillows, the port halt pillows. Yes, of course. I bought three because of her. They're so cute. I love them. My mom is the best. And my mom has ADHD too. She's an ADHD queen. Your mom is one of the funnier people we've ever met. She's so funny. She's just so funny. She has such a big heart. She's so caring. She is an amazing mother. I love how she makes every holiday so special.

54:07She makes me laugh like no other. She's so much fun to prank call people with. She's the life of the party, lights up every room when she walks in. She tried to prank call Howard Stern live on our show. She did. Yeah. I was like, I don't know if this is going to go over well. I'd be scared to prank on him. Yeah, she wasn't. So when you were a kid, was she pushing you to kind of chase after the life that you now lead? Or was it like kind of do what you, what was? No, she was, did not want me to be like moving to New York. Every model agency was reaching out. They all wanted to work, do the runway shows, fashion, magazines, everything.

54:51and my mom just say, no, like you need to go to school. Like she just didn't want me to be like, I don't know, in that world, like modeling any of that. Do you want it for your daughter? I want her to be able to do whatever she wants in life. I'm hoping that she'll follow in my footsteps of being like an entrepreneur, business woman. Yeah, it is like a scary world out there too, even with the modeling world and all of that, because just some of these creepy guys are around And I just don't want my daughter to ever be like exposed to any of those types of people. Yeah. When my daughter turns 12 or 13, we're going to become Amish.

55:28And we're going to just live to the middle of the country. When you have a daughter, you start to understand your parents more. Totally. Yeah. You start to understand where they're coming from. 100%. Well, and I think being close to this world, a lot of people that are not in it, you glamorize it because you see a lot of the things, right? You see the carpets, you see the parties, you see a lot of the stuff. but you don't see a lot of the dark stuff that comes with it. And I, you know, there is a lot that come anytime you have a platform and people feel like they can utilize that platform or use it to their benefit.

56:01It's just like, you know, people can be dangerous. And so I think like with our child, we have to have like a lot of big conversations. Why did you decide to open up about what happened at Provo? Was that something that you had wanted to open up a long time or was it something that you just decided one day, I'm just going to let it out. After going through that, I was so traumatized that I made a promise to myself when I get out of here, I'm never going to talk about this, not tell anyone, pretend it didn't happen. Like I didn't even tell my parents, my sister, my best friends, like no one. And it wasn't until my documentary, This Is Paris, where probably like six months into filming, we were in South Korea.

56:53I was launching one of my lines out there. I forgot it was like a fragrance. I was having severe nightmares, which I had had every single night since being in there. And I kind of like went into it a little with her and I was like, but don't film this and don't put this in the documentary. Like, I don't want this being part of my story. And then she was like, Or then the next day she came to me with all this research and showed me that it had now boomed into this$28 billion a year industry. And there was thousands of these schools and hundreds of thousands of children were being sent to these places.

57:30And hundreds of kids were dying and they were being sexually abused and just the most horrific stories. I had no idea it was still happening. and I just knew that she basically said to me Paris like I think by you telling your story it could really help a lot of other kids and I was so scared and nervous because I had never spoken it out loud to anyone before and I started telling her the story you know for that documentary that wasn't even the original premise of the film it wasn't even supposed to be about that at all it all just really happened because I felt close to her and like I could trust her But I'm so grateful that I did tell that story because it's really changed my life in so many ways and has been so healing for me.

58:17And it was so painful to go through. But the fact now that I've told my story and now it's illegal for the things that happened to myself to happen to kids today has been the most meaningful work of my life. when you opened up about that did you have so many people reaching out that were thanking you because they had maybe been through a similar experience yes all the time like right away when it was about to air I was so so scared and nervous because I had no idea how the world was going to react you know because they had known me for so long as this character like this blonde bubbly you know thing person they thought that had like this perfect life and they had no idea what had happened.

59:01So I didn't know what people would say or think, but right away, just thousands of people writing me letters, reaching out to me, coming up to me on the street, saying, thank you so much for telling your story. I went the same thing and nobody ever believed me. And what you've done has really saved my life and healed me and my family. And then so many families coming up to me. And even yesterday I was just doing this interview and the writer told me that he was about to send his daughter to one of these schools, but then he saw me speaking in Congress and then he decided not to. And he's like, you saved my daughter from going through, you know, probably torture and severe trauma.

59:45And then just so many people all the time, just thanking me and just saying I've really healed them. So it's just been incredible just to see the power in being vulnerable and real and really turning the pain into a huge purpose and impacting millions of children's lives. Why do parents think they need to send their kids to these places in the first place? What are parents under the assumption that these places do? Maybe if a parent's thinking about needing to do this for their kid. It depends. For me, moving to New York and then my life being just completely changed from Los Angeles, a sheltered life, moving to New York.

1:00:24All of a sudden, I'm being invited to every party, every nightclub, going out all the time, ditching school. So my parents hired this educational consultant and they referred to the school and they said it's an emotional growth boarding school. They show brochures and it's kids smiling with rainbows, riding horses, and it looks like this very happy place. And these people who referred the children there are all getting commission and they get paid for each kid that's being sent to these places. That's disgusting. So that happens a lot. And a lot of kids in there, they only had ADHD. They couldn't focus in class.

1:01:03None of these kids deserve to be in a place like this. So a lot of the kids there were just kids who were just misunderstood. Parents are under the assumption, like this place is this great place that'll change and like discipline them and give them structure. It almost makes it more fucked up though, because it's like, I could imagine as, as a child, it's hard to even then blame the parent because the parent thinks that they're doing something good. Oh yeah. The parents are just as much victims in the situation because they're manipulating both sides and they're saying to the parents, kind of priming them because they are abusing the kids.

1:01:36But then they say to the parents, like, by the way, they're all the kids in here, they lie and they're manipulators and they're going to say that we're abusing them. but it's not really happening. So in advance, they say, okay, you're going to get a call and it's going to sound really bad, but that's part of the process. But they won't even let you do the call. Like when you're sitting there, if you even say one word, you have someone sitting next to you and they immediately slammed on the phone and then you either get like beaten, thrown in a room, locked away. And then they say, you can't talk to your parents for six months.

1:02:05So what happened to all these people? Like, are there consequences for them or? now people are finally being believed and the stories are coming out but for so long these kids were not believed because they're just called troubled kids so it's like the perfect situation for an abuser to get away with and they instill such shame in the children that they're like myself you're so ashamed by the time you get out of there you don't even want to tell anyone because you're like embarrassed for like what they've done to you you know the shame should be on these people and that's another powerful message that I want to spread to people that it should not be that you hold on to that shame.

1:02:41The people who should be ashamed are the ones that hurt you. And my parents and I have just, I'm so grateful that my parents have been so supportive of me. My mom's been coming up to me to DC, also to speak to the other parents, because some of these, it has ruined so many lives of children. And a lot of these kids, when they get out of these places, committed suicide and they can't even move on in life because they've just been so broken down by these places and these schools. And in the laws that I've passed to protect children, we've made it as one of the parts of it that they're not allowed to do calls where someone is sitting there.

1:03:18Like the kids can have an unsupervised call with their parent without someone there who's going to punish them right away, which is something that's so important for people to be able to explain when they're being abused in these places. And Provo's closed, right? No. What? No, it's still open. Whoa. Even after the documentary. Yeah. And thousands and thousands of people report so much abuse at that school. I don't know how it's still open. 60 % of these places have shut down because of this work, which is incredible. But more keep popping up because it's such an unregulated business and anybody can just open a school or a wilderness camp and do this.

1:03:57It's really, really terrifying. And it's not only happening in the U.S. It's happening all over the world. Thank God you came out with the story. As you have told your story and discussed it more, have the nightmare stopped for you? Yeah. That's interesting. Amazing. It was like just getting it out there and off your chest. Yeah. Wow. Which I never thought I would ever, ever not have a nightmare. It was every single night since I was 16 years old. and then two years ago I just went to Jamaica and they had these eight boys that they were locking in dog cages burning cigarettes throwing bleach on them starving them it was the most horrific situation I went there and helped save those boys so how does that get on your radar now and how do you choose you know what to focus on and how and where to help well when I started my media company.

1:04:53We have the second hire of the company was Rebecca, who's my head of impact. And I have 1111 Impact, which is all of my advocacy work that I do. And we have a whole network of people and we work with other survivors. So people are constantly reaching out to us, parents, children, ex-employees who have left these places. And just every day, people are coming with stories and then I go and shine my big spotlight on them and show people if you're going to abuse children I am going to expose you and there will be repressions. That must be very liberating. Yes I messed with the wrong girl. I love it.

1:05:36Underestimated. Yes I have just a random question that's a total tangent. What is a hungry tiger? Hungry tiger is someone who's desperate and hungry. And that's what we used to call people all the time. It's like those people who are just like, not hungry for food. It's like hungry for everything. I'm sure you know some hungry tigers. Oh my God. Who told us that you guys? I don't remember. So I think I heard her say it. And I was just like, you know, I just feel like it's one of those things. It's an energy, you know? Everyone knows the energy. There's a lot in this town. This town's got a few.

1:06:25In your documentary, you said that music saved my life. Can you expand on that for the audience? Just how just going through so much as a teenager and getting out of the school. and I remember just going out that first night. The first song I heard was the song Free by Alternate and just those lyrics. I just felt like it was my anthem. And then just how music has always just brought me so much happiness. Just going through all of that and going out at night and just escaping from the pain and not having to think about it and just like losing myself in the music. And then doing this documentary and being on stage and performing, like I realized even more, just like how music has just been such a huge part of my life and how it just like, I don't know, just like music is such a powerful thing.

1:07:28And I like a lyric and just like change your mood or even change your life. When you decided to do your new documentary, it's behind you, it's called Infinite Icon. what was the process like? This is obviously something that takes a long time. What's the behind the scenes of what it takes to get here? A lot. Especially going through my archive of thousands of hours of videos. So when I was eight years old, my dad bought me a camcorder for Christmas and I would film everything, do plays at the house or just me running around doing adventures or whatever. And then when I got older, like going out at night, I would always just bring my camera with me everywhere.

1:08:12So I just have all of this unseen footage. So that was like, so interesting just to like, go and look back on all of that and like, see who I was before and see like what I went through and all the fun times as well. But it was very like therapeutic in such a way. And then obviously filming like a whole concert, the whole process of getting into it. And then I started also just like reflecting back on the 2000s and just so many people were coming up to me and just always saying like, oh my God, your first album is the most underrated pop album of all time. Jealousy. That's the best song ever. It's so good.

1:08:52Thank you. So it's just like, I don't know. I wanted to like really reflect back on that and then I just started thinking about the 2000s about how myself other women were treated and it was just like I don't know I just wanted to tell that story and just in a way but through the lens of music and I really see this as like a trilogy like the first part the first documentary my memoir and now this and also like a love letter to all my fans because they've been the ones who really, like their love has carried me through so much of this. And yeah, I feel like I've seen a lot of music documentaries, but I've never seen one like this.

1:09:32It like has it all. I can't believe that you said that you were nervous to get on stage to perform. That was crazy to me. I wouldn't think you would be nervous. A lot of people don't believe that. I'm such a shy person. So I always feel a little bit shy and especially like doing my first concert. like I was so nervous and I'm so happy that I had right before that performed as Sia and Miley I was talking with them and they told me that they both get nervous too so to hear that like these incredible artists that that's all they do all the time like they get nervous as well I was like okay no we get nervous even to do this today right it's like I think Mel Robbins is on the show recently says if you get nervous or anxious about something it's because you care about it.

1:10:19Because you care. That's what Sia told me as well, which is like a really good way to think about it. Because if you didn't give a shit, you would just be like, whatever. Yeah. Like imagine if we're like, oh, we're sending good parents. Whatever. So it's a good thing. So I like to think of it that way. I think it's a really great way to reframe it. Like I want to teach my kids that. Because I don't want to hold them back from things in life, like feeling shy or embarrassed. It just means you care. If you could talk to your younger self or anyone who's listening that feels misunderstood, understood, what would you tell yourself and them?

1:10:48If I could talk to my younger self, I would say, Paris, you're going to go through a lot of things in life. And sometimes it's going to be really difficult and scary and hard. I promise you one day it's going to be worth it. So you're going to use your voice, make a difference for millions of people. and one day you're going to have beautiful children, amazing husband, build an incredible business and inspire people all around the world. So stay strong and don't be afraid to show the world the real you. Where can everyone watch your documentary and support what you're doing, Infinite Icon? Infinite Icon, a visual memoir, will be out in theaters January 30th.

1:11:39And where can everyone come say hi to you? I'm sure everyone already follows you, but what's all your social handles? My name. Also, I do want to say this. Everyone should go buy your book. Your book is so good. Thank you. I love reading biographies. It's like my favorite thing to do. And your biography is 10 out of 10. Thank you so much. So also buy the book, you guys. Which will be a television series soon. Wow, cool. don't you also I feel like you have a cartoon out I do what's that it's called Paris and Pups it's an animated series on YouTube and it's based on my life with me as a little girl with my puppies living at a hotel going on adventures and my kids are obsessed with it we watch it all the time and it's so much fun I'm going to show it to Zaza and Towns Paris thank you so much for coming on the show thank you thank you Paris infinite icon forever Thank you.

1:12:37Thank you. Slay.

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