Shawn Johnson East & Andrew East On Reinvention, Relationship Advice, & Building A Purpose Driven Life

10:38Shawn Johnson East:with our kids sundays are we call them the day of delight yeah we do a pasta night saturday night burger night friday but like we're pretty regimented with our weekly and daily schedules

10:50Andrew East:it's been good yeah you have to put boundaries around it yeah anything that you do with your phone sundays this like day of delight we don't do like phones on the weekend or on sundays we We don't really have rules around our phones, but I will say we're very blessed. Our kids go to a school where they are so forward thinking and technology and how it affects children that my daughter will even come home and be like, mommy, I have learned about the iPhone and I've learned that it can distract you and I learned it can take too much attention and it can hurt your brain. And she'll be the first one to call me out and be like, I think you're on it right now too much.

11:25Andrew East:And I'm like, great. Okay, putting it away.

11:28Shawn Johnson East:That's a gut check. I don't know if you guys have encountered this, though. Like, it is, it's almost like a temptation to always want to do more, always like, hey, take that next call. And it's like, no, we're not perfect. But it's been good to at least open up the conversation and allow each other to kind of check each other. Like, hey, let's throttle back a little bit. And then defining what enough is in all the different, like, hey, we're our own bosses and there's more opportunity out there, but let's cap our salaries at this and let's cap our travel at this. and it's hard. What I think is great and I recommend and again like I don't know how popular this is but I think everybody if they can should have children because I just think but and here's why personally I think for for overly ambitious people it frames out why the ambition should exist in the first place and it also creates boundaries to slow down sometimes like a regulator because you realize what's important and what you're doing it for.

12:23Shawn Johnson East:I also think what kids do is like they are an innocent reflection of the way you're behaving all the time. And you can see, you can just, it's a, I don't want to say it in a selfish way, but in a selfish kind of way, they're a very good tool to kind of contextualize what's important and what's not and what behaviors are valid and what are invalid and what you should be focusing on and what you should. And what I tell people that are worried about having children, that they're going to still be successful and ambitious. Like my ambition and since having kids has gotten greater, but I'm able to channel it in a healthier way where I'm not just sitting there burning down from both ends, go, go, go with no real understanding of why I'm doing it in the first place.

13:02Shawn Johnson East:You know what I mean? Like, and again, this is for me personally. I didn't want to end up as a 56 year old guy with a bunch of cash sitting with no like leg and just sitting around being like, what am I doing all this for anyways? And I think that's what kids are good at helping you kind of like frame out what's important in life.

13:17Andrew East:When he got his doctorate, he actually did a dissertation on that, the productivity and efficiency when you become in business in regards to like when you become a parent.

13:27Shawn Johnson East:Yeah. Cause I would argue that it makes you becoming a parent adds so much to your plate that it makes you more efficient. You have to say, okay, I can't do all the things I was once doing. So what is the most important thing to focus on occupationally? And then it kind of like, I think it grows the pie that way because you're now doing the most impactful thing. Every time somebody in this company tells me they're going on maternity or paternity leave, I get excited because I know when they come back, they're going to be even better and more efficient because you don't have time to waste. And when I think about all the time that I wasted on just random things before kids, I'm like, what the hell was I doing?

14:04Andrew East:We laugh about that all the time. I'm like, what did we do? I don't know. All of our time. It's very weird to think about, isn't it? When you reflect back.

14:13Shawn Johnson East:Well, I'm like, what was I doing all the time?

14:14Andrew East:I went to the bathroom alone.

14:15Shawn Johnson East:Let me switch gears for a second because I was telling you, I used to watch you, and I'm sure learned it on the Olympics back in the day.

14:24Andrew East:You were my favorite. Thank you.

14:25Shawn Johnson East:What is it like being that young, being on that big of a world platform and achieving that kind of success? Do you know how big it is at the time? Do you have the context? And then what's it like after?

14:37Andrew East:I mean, to give context, I was 16. So developmentally, there's not a way for me to even be, I was not mature enough to be able to digest the magnitude of it, which I think was also a blessing. I think 50 % of me at the Olympics was still just a kid. And I was literally playing and doing an after-school activity. I had that joy. I had that innocence. I had that ability to, my coach protected that for me. And so did my parents. I remember part of my heart and soul and performance was just a kid playing. I loved it. I think the other 50 % was kind of torn between the pressures of like the job that I was given from the United States and from the USA team and the sponsors and the agents and like the pressure behind that.

15:22Andrew East:Bob Costas, you know, announcing on TV that I should win and like all these things. So I kind of had that thing that I had to juggle. But I think because I was so young, I was so naive to so much. I got to learn a lot.

15:36Shawn Johnson East:Like do you think if you did it now, older, the pressure would be too much?

15:39Andrew East:I think it's one of the reasons why I retired. I tried to go for a second Olympics in 2012 and ended up retiring. And I honestly believe it's because my more mature mind, I could calculate risk so much better. And I understood the what ifs of if things went wrong way more than I did at 16. At 16, kind of like our kids even now, I was just fearless and I didn't understand risk and I didn't understand consequence. At 19 and 20, four years later, I had already kind of been in the business world for four years. I understood the magnitude of what if it doesn't go well. And that crippled me. Wow.

16:17Shawn Johnson East:What's it like transitioning from that kind of stage to, I guess it's still a big stage, but not the Olympic stage?

16:26Andrew East:Transitioning out of professional athletics is really, really hard. You take someone who's like very, both of us had a really hard time, but you take someone who's so obsessive and has an ability to obsess in probably an unhealthy way over one thing. And trying to transition into like civilian life or normal life is very difficult. I didn't know where to put that obsession. And so I had to unlearn how to be a perfectionist. And I had to learn how to just be okay with like average. And that was really challenging.

16:53Shawn Johnson East:What I find so interesting about athletes is as entrepreneurs, we think about, oh, we'll be in our prime 40, 50, 60. But with athletes, with you guys, like it's a, it's kind of, it's a short window and you're still very young when you kind of, when you, like how old were you when you retired? 27. Yeah. That's, I mean, it's crazy to think that you would retire in 20, Like you're retiring from a massively successful career when you're barely even an adult.

17:16Andrew East:I would think the identity part is the hardest part. It's like your identity is so wrapped up in that. And then when you get out of it, it's hard, like you said, to sort of, you used average. I don't think you guys are average. That's the word you used. But I could see how it'd be hard to live an average life. It is. I think because you're younger, you wrap your identity up even more. than like the normal person would at an older age when they're retiring. So for us to find identities afterwards, you have to be okay with starting over when the world on a public stage has already seen you hit what the world would define as like the peak of life.

17:54Andrew East:And so you have to humble yourselves in front of the world and be bad at something. And not a lot of people who are watching like to see that.

18:03Shawn Johnson East:Could either of you find success, and if you did, dating people that were average, meaning like people that weren't super humans. We used to call them narps in college. What? Non-athletic regular people. You never heard that? I've never heard that. We're narps, Lauren. You've never heard that? I have never heard that. So could you guys find success dating narps? Or could you just not relate?

18:32Andrew East:I actually think I'm way too intense that I just need a very competitive person to be able to put up with me.

18:39Shawn Johnson East:I'm trying to figure out why this works, because clearly it does, but I wonder, maybe because you guys aren't NARPs. This goes back to how I am thinking about parenting now. I'm pretty adamant on our kids playing a sport and doing something physical, as well as doing something creative, as well as academics. I want them to build multiple disciplines. I think sports are amazing, and there is so much carryover. uh transitioning is hard like in the moment of that transition you don't really feel like there's transferable skills that you've learned in sports that could take you into careers but i do think that the body teaches the soul and like you build disciplines you kind of like sharpen and refine your body in ways that has so much positive impact uh but sean i laugh all the time because you know she was best in the world at what she did and she has this intensity and focus that she's able to channel like I've never seen before.

19:34Shawn Johnson East:And it's natural habitat that the natural habitat for that type of intensity is like the world stage in the Olympics on a balance beam, not necessarily the home life cooking dinner on a regular Tuesday. And so it's like been so funny to try to like say, Hey, let's, uh, you know, you're being a little intense here, babe. Let's, let's dial back because there's, um, you know, I think that's a really unique trait that, that suited her in that context and it's funny to to try to place it in different contexts well

20:05Andrew East:you were also a performer i mean like also the athlete part yes yes but i remember like your hair and your makeup and like all like for like when i was watching that i you were also like courting yeah there's a performance aspect to it as well right it's a subjectively judged sport so So usually judges are allowed a margin where just by personal bias or opinion, they can deduct or grant. And you're beautiful. So that I'm sure that was hard. Thank you. You know, it's like, ah, like it's almost would be easier if you weren't so beautiful.

20:45Shawn Johnson East:Like what if you side eye and you see some jealous judge in the crowd? You're like, oh, shit, this one's not going to go well for me.

20:50Andrew East:It was hard though because at 16 you have to learn how to figure out what people want to see. And that was kind of interesting because you're at 16 trying to learn my skills should speak for themselves. But it's not just that. You have to schmooze. It sets you up for the real world. It does. I get it. It's been hard for me. It gives you a great resilience, grit.

21:12Shawn Johnson East:People are always just judging me on my dashingly good looks and it's been hard. I really wish you'd stop doing that, people.

21:20Andrew East:So when you guys, you mentioned earlier, when you decide to launch a podcast together, are you guys going into this with a strategy or was it literally seven days after you mentioned there's a story? Did you just throw it out there and see what sticks? Yep.

21:34Shawn Johnson East:No. If non-athletic regular people are called NARPs, we're like NARPs. We're non-IQ regular people. We just kind of roll with the punches. So you just threw it out? Yeah.

21:46Andrew East:We had like a concept, but nothing past that of any kind. And after doing seven years of the show together, what do you guys think? How have you evolved together? How have you evolved apart? What's happened during the seven years? It's a challenge also. It's rewarding. It's a challenge.

22:05Shawn Johnson East:I don't know what y 'all's date nights look like. Ours are always kind of like conversation based over dinner. And for us, the podcast has been so great because we get to be learning from these experts or from these couples like you live together. And so then it's like it has enhanced so many aspects of our life because we're like getting introduced to these concepts or these techniques or whatever. And you're like, oh, sweet. What do you think about that? And so it's kind of like been a continued conversation for seven years. We have very different backgrounds, but as I was thinking about you guys, we have very similar lifestyles and paths.

22:41Shawn Johnson East:And I think what we talk about all the time is imagine if only I was doing the show or only her, that'd be strange. We get to talk and learn. I actually think in a weird way. And again, I don't recommend this for every couple. It's been almost like couples therapy, but without therapy. Like sometimes somebody be talking about something that's an issue. And like that's one of our issues. Would you get to like kind of both be in the room in a way where like you're not being grilled or interrogated or attacked? And so we both, and I think that actually it's been one of the best things for our marriage.

23:10Andrew East:I also think in today's world, we don't get to sit down and actually converse with people anymore. No. And even as spouses being in the same room, engaged in a conversation, learning for an hour, it just it is to a certain extent like an intimate time where you get to just be present it also fills your social battery so you're like good on a wednesday for drinks with friends that you barely know that come into town do you know what i mean like you oh yeah like you feel like you've gone you've done the social thing too so i think when you come home you also can then really connect because you're not like looking to like go golf or like it's it's like you're you're you're almost more connected to each other.

23:51Shawn Johnson East:No, but to your point, people, I think we spend so much time online. You forget how to talk with people. And when we go to dinners now with friends, I call it like I middle the table, like I'm middling because I can sit there and bring people. And I think it's because you do a show for so long that you can talk.

24:05Andrew East:Do you like to be the king at the table with the gestures?

24:07Shawn Johnson East:Because what I noticed for years is sometimes, well, if you don't set up a table right and you can get people silent, but there's a lost art, to your point, of conversation with people. And we've gotten so used to just typing and being behind things. And what this does is we wouldn't be in nearly as many conversations with people like this if we didn't do the show.

24:27Andrew East:Why did you guys decide to co-found Family Made?

24:30Shawn Johnson East:We have fortunately been able to build a team around our content production. And we realized there's a lot of creators and YouTubers and podcasters who struggled to do that. And so we just thought it'd be cool to help other people produce podcasts that were you know in in this world of heartwarming kind of like wholesome podcasts uh and so it was a fun project and it's smart it's like the the family channel like that's so smart uh dear media is a uh you guys have executed this extremely well yeah you're yeah yeah but i mean that's why i like i see so many like it's a lot of similarities and i think it's incredible that you guys have been able to do it together.

25:14Shawn Johnson East:What I tell people is like, don't work together, but if you can, it's the most rewarding thing ever if you can figure it out. It's hard to figure out.

25:21Andrew East:And then on top of all this, you did special forces. Yes. I mean, like, how are you doing this? That one was fun. That one was really intense.

25:32Shawn Johnson East:And it's like a normal Tuesday for them. They're not NARPs. Yeah.

25:35Andrew East:Was it hard? Oh, it's it was extremely it's way harder than the show actually shows it is not a produced show it is an experience that happens to be filmed if that makes sense so like yeah you're experiencing it in real time with no breaks but there's just cameras mounted to like watch it and there's no red tape i mean you you get tortured beep bruised what's the most tortured i mean that you they do psychological warfare for the last 24 hours what where your logical warfare what do you are put in stress positions with a bag over your head and pitch black dark with headphones over your head of screaming babies, nails on a chalkboard, animals being slaughtered.

26:16Andrew East:You're sleep deprived. Sleep deprived. You get interrogated, no food. You get interrogated by like actual CIA interrogators. Did you know it was going to be like that? You, I've seen, we've seen other seasons. So we had ideas, but nothing prepares you for in person. Screaming babies, nails on a chalkboard. But like extreme volume too. yeah it's can you tap out anytime yeah yeah that's what they're trying to get you to do they're trying to get you to tap i would hear it for once i i'd be like oh my god that is yeah that was the one i was worried about i was worried about the babies there's still times that sean and i hear a noise it's a lawnmower or a blower a blower and we're like oh my gosh

26:59Shawn Johnson East:takes us right back to the bag over our head in the middle of morocco how did you guys talk each other through that through that moment we you couldn't talk no there's people in the room

27:07Andrew East:afterwards like how do you like come down from that you're assigned a psychiatrist yeah wow yeah it's really fun are you guys glad upon reflection that you did it together i'm glad

27:19Shawn Johnson East:we did it together for the for like a more uh distilled version of like what we were talking about the podcast there's no way to describe um the like the little the million little details of what was like to army crawl over rocks and glass and you know in the in the saharan heat

27:36Andrew East:It would have been detrimental to us if we didn't do it together.

27:39Shawn Johnson East:But the fact we did it together, it was actually pretty bonding.

27:42Andrew East:What do you guys think makes a good partnership? Two people willing to work. I think if you have two people willing to put in the work every day. It's every day. It works. Especially when you're on a mic.

27:55Shawn Johnson East:We had a couple share a technique or just a saying that they remind each other of anytime they're in an argument. And I think about it all the time, but they always remind each other that we know how this ends and that's with us still married. And I think if you have that willpower or the commitment to say, hey, no matter what happens, no matter what high we're riding or low we're riding, if Sean's doing a TV show or we're both getting crushed by some Navy SEALs, it's like we know how this ends, it's with us still married. And it's like there's something really calming about that.

28:25Andrew East:I can't give him that certainty. No, no, no. I want him to feel at any moment I could walk out the door.

28:32Shawn Johnson East:well she's working she's working through a lot of trauma she's got a lot of it might be for an hour

28:36Andrew East:it might be for a day it might be for a week i just said we just did this family trip with her

28:41Shawn Johnson East:with my in-laws and so i can i can understand where the trauma comes from so moving on what have you guys carried through from athletics into your business careers like what what have you left behind and what have you carried through that you think has been helpful celebration of

28:57Andrew East:failure because we learn from it. And then just a persistence to keep going, even when it gets discouraging.

29:06Shawn Johnson East:So celebration of failure, because that's more common in athletics, you're losing all the time, right? You don't just, you don't just win all the time.

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35:34Shawn Johnson East:our four-year-old wakes me up at 5 30 he whispers in my ear he's a dog he wakes me up and he's like he's like dad you ready to work out and i'm like i'm not gonna say no to you i'm not gonna like be a pansy and not work out with you so we wake up him and i have a little snack i'll do a workout for about 45 minutes or an hour he'll do pull-ups and and we'll kind of just like watch he loves

35:54Andrew East:watching motocross you better get our kid on the pull-ups can't raise a narc and then we have

36:03Shawn Johnson East:about an hour and a half together as a family. You usually take them to school.

36:08Andrew East:And then I'll go work out. We'll start work around like nine.

36:12Shawn Johnson East:And what are your workouts at this point? Are they, like what are you guys doing on a regular basis? They're pretty in depth. I can't tell your arms have the divot.

36:20Andrew East:Do you know what the divot is? I don't know what the divot is. It's the Kardashian divot. It's a big compliment. Oh, thank you. So a lot of people are paying for the divot, but you can tell yours. I don't think you're paid for the divot. I think it's a real divot. You can tell people are getting. What's the divot? They're paying for your divot. It's the divot. It's the definition. No, it's the little thing, right? It's the delt. Oh, it's the delt. It's the delt. Yeah. I just call it the upper arm.

36:41Shawn Johnson East:The divot. Lauren doesn't know what muscle it's called. She just knows it's a muscle.

36:45Andrew East:Yeah, it's like the little divot right there. Oh, wow. So what are the workouts that you guys are doing? I do a lot of like Olympic lifting. So like barbells with like heavy weights.

36:57Shawn Johnson East:Power cleans is her favorite. Sean loves power cleans. Gosh. is that what they have you guys doing for your sport no power cleans no gymnasts don't lift any weight okay so you just got okay that was i was like is that what's going on yeah um in gymnastics

37:11Andrew East:it's usually all body weight i kind of fell in love with like hit and weight lifting afterwards i felt like it was the only thing that kind of compared to the intensity and mental payoff that

37:22Shawn Johnson East:i felt in gymnastics so i love i love because in a way it's a singular individual sport you're competing with yourself.

37:27Andrew East:This is probably a question you get asked a lot, but I'm just curious. When you see a football or you see a gymnast mat, does it make you want to pick up the ball or get on the mat and do your thing? Or are you guys like, we're done. I don't want to do that. Like I'm crotchety. I'm over that.

37:43Shawn Johnson East:I've been through phases. I think right after my football career ended, not necessarily by choice. There was a couple of years where I was just kind of done, but now I'm having more fun playing football than ever.

37:56Andrew East:So with our kids. That's probably reinvigorates. Same thing. I went through phases where I had no interest in going into a gym. Now our kids enjoy going into a gym. They're slowly understanding that I did gymnastics and he did football. So it's something they're curious about. Hold on. They've never watched you do gymnastics?

38:19Shawn Johnson East:um we're not like putting it on at dinner time i would be

38:26Andrew East:sit down kids gather around the table i would do like a weekly viewing i would be like look at mobby mobby's doing flips mobby's doing cartwheels i would be so annoying one thing to go back to

38:39Shawn Johnson East:your question about what we've learned is something we try to teach our kids it's like we want them to find something that they can put so much effort and practice into that they good enough. And the Vandy baseball coach used to have this term. He said, you got to have some stick-to-itiveness. And, uh, and I think that's one thing that sports teaches you, unlike anything else, where if you keep stacking days, stacking practices, if I keep showing up and, and, uh, you know, doing my, my workouts and, and paying attention to practice and tweaking this and tweaking that, you really start to, to build something meaningful over time.

39:10Shawn Johnson East:You start to see the growth and the improvement. And I think that that idea of reps translates to our arguments that we have in our marriage. It translates to the business calls that you're making. It's like, okay, I just tried to land this deal. They said, no, I'm calling another company. They said no. And it's like, but you know that inherently, if I keep getting reps at this, there will be growth. There will be progression. And that has been invaluable to us. And that's what I hope our kids understand is like, yo, you keep practicing, you keep chipping away. You're going to make little tweaks that over time will compound into something beautiful.

39:43Andrew East:What's cool about you guys that I really respect is that you had mastery, obviously, when you guys were both little, but you've also maintained the mastery in different ways throughout your life. I find that fascinating with your business and your show and family made. I think it's really cool that you've like been able to have such longevity with the skill of having mastery and discipline. It's really interesting. Yeah.

40:05Shawn Johnson East:And not to like shed or point the light on other people, but I mean, I think You guys are actually an uncommon story for a lot of professional athletes. A lot of people, they kind of have their moan and then it goes, in a lot of cases, downhill from there. And I imagine that's so hard because you ride these huge highs and then maybe you can't carry on into the next phase of life. And I imagine that's such a hard thing to go through because my point earlier, you get all of this success at such a young age and you have such a long life in front of you. And so if you don't figure out how to kind of like enter that next phase of life and figure out how to find purpose or passion or the next thing you're going to do well, I think it's like that's probably a really tough thing for a lot of athletes.

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46:49Andrew East:The courage to commit, embrace the radical power of sticking with something. Why did you guys decide to write this book and together? Kind of everything that we've talked about, honestly. Like every life lesson that we've learned in our athletic careers that we've transferred into our marriage and our parenting and our business that has worked, we attribute to a lot of like the really wise mentors we've had in our life. And so we wanted to take all of those things and kind of put them on paper for people and give them the process to which we, you know, find boundaries and find values and create an environment to set up our work life and our parenting and our marriage for success.

47:28Andrew East:And I think there's climbing rates of anxiety and depression and people are feeling very lost. And so this is the process that gave us direction. So we wanted to share it. I think it'll crush it. Thank you. Are you going to start writing our book?

47:42Shawn Johnson East:What is our book going to be called?

47:44Andrew East:I don't think I could write a book with you.

47:45Shawn Johnson East:Narps.

47:46Andrew East:No, I don't know if I could write a book I feel like we already do the show together to write a book with him. I will say with our book, because of that, having two very different voices, we did bring in a third writer who is a genius and he was a research writer. And he gave such, he gave us therapy. Are you guys like when you were writing it, are you writing it together or apart or separate together? Together.

48:08Shawn Johnson East:Yeah. And Sean kind of does a great job at telling all the personal stories. And I'm like a geek for all the facts and the studies. And to me, that's just my takeaways from books always. So we wanted to include that. And I think the book is a really good blend of stories that we've lived and seen and studies that back up the experience. Who are you guys looking to for as either like mentors or what kind of books are you looking at? And what kind of content do you follow? What inspires both of you at this point?

48:38Andrew East:Things that bring peace and order to my life. so I feel like I've been talking about this book for a long time hours but then also like Justin Whitmell Early or John Mark John Mark Homer The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry is one of my favorite books in the world oh I gotta get that I've never heard of it and it's just about quieting the noise and living like a more intentional life

48:57Shawn Johnson East:nobody's ever recommended that one before that sounds like

49:00Andrew East:a great book

49:01Shawn Johnson East:that's a great book and then Justin Whitmell Early has a book called Habits of the Household where he kind of talks about like what are the rhythms of the house and how can you be intentional with that whether that's dropping the kids off at school or dinner time. Like it's, it's been so helpful. I love that question though. Cause I think about all the time, you know, like the media that you consume shapes you. And so I'm a geek for all the self-help, self-improvement stuff. And I've noticed that, that I've been able to implement certain things into our family life that has been really constructive.

49:30Shawn Johnson East:And those are two authors that have been phenomenal. We've never heard those two recommendations. We're going to check them out.

49:36Andrew East:I will. Yeah. where can everyone go buy your book and where can they support your show you can buy our book anywhere that sells books okay and you can find us on you know all the platforms Sean or Andrew East

49:50Shawn Johnson East:yeah apologies in advance but thecourgetocommit.com is kind of like the page where you can check out on Amazon or Barnes and Noble

49:58Andrew East:congratulations writing a book is no easy feat it's a lot of work writing a book with your

50:02Shawn Johnson East:significant other

50:02Andrew East:yeah

50:03Shawn Johnson East:woo woo I can't wait for yours already I'm excited we're gonna need a couple we're gonna need like a few therapists couple guards I'll be a coffee table book

50:12Andrew East:with no words I know that'd be beautiful

50:16Shawn Johnson East:it's such an honor to meet you all we have we've admired your work from afar same with us

50:21Andrew East:there's so many synergies and we'll definitely hit you up before in Nashville I'd love to take a trip no we'll do it again

50:26Shawn Johnson East:I mean we have like I said we have a ton of similarities we're similar on the the kid path oh yeah

50:30Andrew East:you guys gotta let us know when you're in Austin next we'll go out for a margarita we love it love a good margarita we gotta come out that way

50:35Shawn Johnson East:we've been at Nashville in a while I mean similar to Austin there's a lot happening out there there really is

50:40Andrew East:it's growing rapidly yeah I want to go out there yeah thank you guys for coming on the show thank you both you guys are great thank you thank you