Teri Hatcher On Reinvention, Resilience, Hollywood, & Living With Grace Through Every Chapter Of Life

30:25That's Nutraful.com promo code skinny hair. And where were you at your career in this point? I had not done Lois and Clark. Okay. But I remember when I did this episode of Seinfeld, Jason Alexander said to me, good things are going to happen for you because this good things happen to people that do this show. I mean, like think about a lot of the career, a lot of the, like Brian Cranston was on there. There's so many people. And I feel like right after this, I did get Lois and Clark. So he was right. And, but I guess, you know, I had done a movie called The Big Picture with Christopher Guest. That was my first movie.

31:02And I actually think I was told again, so who knows if this is true, but I was told that Larry and Jerry had seen that. And that's why they cast me as this part. And that's why I didn't have to audition. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I was told. So, you know, I kind of remember it being like the easiest job ever. You know, sitcom schedules are you show up around 10, you do some reading through the script, you get it on its feet, you sort of rehearse it for the producers and you kind of leave around three o 'clock or so. And then one day you shoot it in front of a live audience and that day goes into the evening so i just remember it not being difficult you know i always approach things obviously you're nervous it's jerry seinfeld like you know you just i always just want to deliver like i whatever it is they wanted i wanted to do what they wanted you want to do do your best and give them exactly that was like the biggest show at the time on television right like that was the I don't even know if it I feel like Seinfeld got bigger.

32:09Well, I mean, yeah, but like it was big, though. Yeah, but it got it got bigger the longer it was on, I think. And I you know what? I'm not I don't know how big it was when I did my thing. I know my thing became like much bigger in the many years afterwards. Like, honestly, I think real and spectacular is going to go on my tombstone. I mean, how can it not? Michael was like, I'm going to start the episode off with that. And I said, do you know how many times that people have come up to her? Because it's so iconic. Yeah, but you, but it's like. I just had, no, this is really funny. We were, you know, we've been promoting my podcast and we were at one of the local news stations and the guy who was putting on my microphone backstage, he, you know, very sweetly and sheepishly, you know, he's like, I just have to say like, that was my favorite episode of Seinfeld and they're real and they're fantastic.

33:01And I'm like, that's not the line. they're actually spectacular they're not fantastic merch made for your podcast well you know what i recently did i changed my instagram you know how i used for years i used to have like i'm a mom i'm a i'm a i'm a friend i'm an actress i'm a whatever whatever the things were and i recently was like you know what i'm just real and spectacular that's what i am that's all it says now real and spectacular and you either get it or you don't you have to create a sweater for your podcast that says it across the boobs and on the back says the handle to your podcast i swear to god people on tiktok would love that to wear over their boobs well you seem like the person that can give me the right advice so i'll take it okay i'll wear it i mean people literally would go crazy for merch like that just like a simple sweater that's a fun idea do it navy get a simple little thing and then on the back have your handle i bet if you came out with that merch it would it would sell out quick okay i i love it can you trademark it that is a show i used to so my my mother was such a huge fan of something that's a show you would tune in for like i remember being a kid and sitting down and waiting for that and i think friends was on this around the same like you would switch or it was she was into melrose place it was like that that moment in time all those shows i bet you were you were copying a look at when she was on the screen.

34:24It was a great episode. There is something also that I think is actually scientifically sort of studied is that nostalgia, like things that you already know are actually relaxing for your brain. That's why people are addicted to Windex. What? Wait. People will not get rid of their Windex because they remember the smell in 1995. Because the smell calms them down? It reminds them of their mom cleaning the kitchen table. They won't switch. that is so interesting eating and drinking harmful things that you had from childhood because it's like it's comforting in that way right but apparently watching television that you know feels more like friends or whatever it is there's your brain can go into like calm mode because you know nothing surprising is going to happen and that's another reason why all these shows are having their resurgence that makes when you say that that makes me want to go watch Desperate Housewives again like I totally get what you're saying well I hope you will and then listen to our podcast yes yes it makes me want to just go down a rabbit hole you know that's been actually hard in doing the podcast so each episode is connected to one of the episodes from the show and so when i'm watching the show like and making my notes about what we want to talk about what what we've done with our podcast is we've we've used the show and sort of analyzing the show and also like honoring the show is sort of a love letter, but we're using the different things that happen to the characters as sort of a springboard to talk about life.

35:54And, you know, we've got my daughter who is 27 and then we have Andrea who's 35 and she's pregnant and newly married and she's about to have her first child. And then me who's 60 and single. And so it is a fun conversation that we have just about life and relationships and being a human being in, you know, in regards to how it connects to the show. But so I have to watch an episode and then come in to do the podcast. And the hardest thing about it is not binging the show because I have to stop because I just want to keep watching it. But I have to stop. It's because like when you see all the characters like you, you know, you know, you know them like, for instance, like now being a mom at and taking my kids to school, like there is there's one there's a Lynette at school yeah there's there's there you know what I mean like it's such a like good stereotype yeah you know what I mean that's exactly what it is and I think there's a little bit of each of those stereotypical women in all of us which is why I think we relate to it so much and why it feels so comforting to watch I mean honestly it it is crazy that I have such affection for the show because it feels like I wasn't in it.

37:13Like it feels like, yeah, it's very weird. That's crazy. It is weird. My plumber is not as hot as your plumber. Mine isn't either. I've never met one that hot. What kind of plumber? And remember the pool boy? Jesse? Oh, the gardener. The gardener. Wait, what was his name on the show? Hopefully our plumber doesn't listen to this line. The gardener's name was John. John. John the gardener. John the gardener, yeah. John the gardener. Yeah, yeah. What is it actually like hosting Saturday Night Live? Like, it seems to me that that is so much work that people don't realize and pressure. What is that actually like?

37:48Take us behind the scenes. Well, I, you know, I recently got to revisit this because I did David Spade and Dana Carvey's podcast. And so we were talking about it. David was on the show when I did the show in 96, I think it was, or maybe 97. Anyway, total honor. Like I, you were talking about sort of bucket list things. And I would say hosting Saturday Night Live is just an absolute bucket list for me. I went into it. I had just wrapped a season of Lois and Clark. And I went into it feeling like, you know, I had done my fair share of help Superman help. And I was really excited to just do other things.

38:30Do you know what that reference is, Lauren? I'm assuming it's in Lois and Clark, right? Yeah, because it's like, it's a comic book. And Lois said that a lot. like, help Superman, please. You know, in every episode. You wanted to have a fresh sleep. She's not a comic person. It's okay. I'm a housewife person. I wanted to expand myself. So I kind of went in on the first day and I was like, I'll do anything. You guys write. Like, the crazier the better. I'm up for all of it. I'm up for the challenge. And, you know, it's just fascinating. Like, they're watching how fast they write things and the different characters and, you know, throwing your different costumes on.

39:09I mean, how they pull that off is just amazing. I got to do a Mary Catherine Gallagher superstar set. I got to do a cheerleader with Will Ferrell and Sherry Oteri. I did the sketch with David Spade. Yeah, I felt like it was really memorable and fun and challenging and crazy. And again, I've had many, many things that when I look back, like this is another thing that falls into that category. I originated the national tour of Cabaret as Sally Bowles from Broadway back in 2000. And so I did it for seven months. I did Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and D.C. That's a lot of work. And I was breastfeeding.

39:54My daughter was like a year old at the time. And she went with me. And that was an amazing, crazy, amazing, draining, wonderful experience. But I put these two in the category of like, these things have happened to me or I've, I don't know if happened to me or with me. And they just feel like someone else. Like, I feel like I've been around long enough to feel like maybe it's like nine lives. Like, oh, that was a lifetime on that thing. And then that was a lifetime on that thing. And the fun part of that is I feel like now at 60, like, okay, what's this lifetime? You know, what's about to happen?

40:35You know, what's this going to be? It seems like you're more in control of your own narrative of what that looks like at this point in your life. You get to have your podcast. You get to explore what you want. I know you have your series on Instagram. People are really resonating with that. It seems like you get to create it, which is fun. But you know, in this medium, which is long form, and I appreciate you doing this show, and it's newer for you, right? This kind of law. But it's like interviewing you. Sometimes we'll talk to people and it's on one subject, on one thing or like they're an expert on a book right and with you like we can go years and years like decades of different experiences you know like it's taking everything although i'll be like what did you say michael i can't i'm so old now i can't quite hear you because like you know we could i could go into super signable but like you know bond our son's name is bond like i've seen every like i know all you were a bond girl like there's a million things i don't and it's it's you know saturday night live the juice on being a bond girl what's the juice on that.

41:33Yeah, there's no, it's just so funny. It's like, it's. Did you have to prepare? Like, what do you do for that? No, I mean, honestly, I was pregnant. I was like seven weeks or eight weeks or nine weeks pregnant when I went to film that. So my boobs were huge. At nine weeks pregnant, I looked five months, so I couldn't have done it. Sorry. But one of the reasons I took the part, I'd been offered this other movie that I kind of really wanted to do that was a bigger, you know, more like your classic rom-com sort of movie. And I couldn't do it because it would have taken two and a half months to shoot that movie.

42:10And by the time we got into it, I would have been too pregnant. And then I got offered the Bond film, which was only two weeks of work. It was a very small part. And I sort of thought, okay, I can quietly go do this movie before anybody realizes I'm pregnant. And unfortunately, this was in the day when like page six whoever that writer was liz somebody like outed my pregnancy in the newspaper that's why we forgot her name yeah i mean she was very famous but yeah it wasn't cool i was already filming when that came out and like i hadn't told friends and i hadn't told because you don't tell people before your your first trimester because invasive Yeah, it was really invasive.

42:50Anyways, so it was kind of a weird for being this quote unquote glamorous thing to be a Bond girl. I was just over there doing a piece of work. The last piece of work I was going to do before I was a mother. And and you can understand that like that was my mindset. And I was trying to do a good job within that. But like I had other things in the forefront of my mind than I'm that I'm sure the people involved in. with the film we're concerned with. Yeah, and that fan base is so crazy and there's so much press around any of those movies. People just go wild with that stuff. Everyone wants to know every little detail.

43:29Right now, the big thing is who's the next one? People are going nuts about that. They haven't made that decision yet, have they? I don't think so. I just think it's such a big franchise that's spanned for so many years and people love it so much. No, I love it. I mean, I love it. And I love being in it. I mean, I love... I love... Have your kids, they're probably... they're too young to see Coraline yet, right? We saw it. Oh, you did. Love that. Okay. So that might be one of the pieces of work that I'm the most proud of. That's interesting. I think my voice work was amazing in that. I think the fact that I played the evil mother and the regular mother, like I loved how we approached that.

44:07And that thing is just a piece of art. I mean, the whole movie should just be hanging in a museum. I mean, it's unbelievable the artistry of what it took to get that thing done. So, you know, I do look at my career in a weird way. Like there are these, these sort of tent poles. If you go like Bond girl, Seinfeld girlfriend, Lois Lane, Coraline, they're all, it is, but again, it feels like it's not me. That's so weird. Yeah. That's, I think that it's because your job, unlike if someone works nine to five and they work the same job for 20 years it's the same thing every day your job is to step into different characters and different people and maybe that's why you feel almost a detachment maybe by the way Coraline that is a we I took you to see that movie I remember when we first started dating we loved it and then we showed our kids that both of our kids they loved it they picked it for family movie night I'll have to tell my daughter that I met the mother if you want me sometimes people want me to leave voice messages for them like, you can stay forever if you want to, or like, you know, like creepy things like that.

45:16So if you ever want that from me, feel free, I can do it. If they're misbehaving, might have to have you play the evil one. Exactly. I would love to know more about why you decided to create the sandwiched series. Well, I mean, I know we were talking before we were recording. So now I don't remember what I've said while we were recording or not. But about three years ago, my dad got diagnosed with dementia and they lived in Orange County. And that traffic from Los Angeles has just gotten worse and worse over the years to the point where, you know, it could take me two and a half, three hours to get there.

45:54And I was getting calls from their neighbors that, you know, we love your parents, but we just don't know that we're going to be able to support them in the long haul. And I'm an only child. And you know, my parents are very independent. And my mom is just like, stubbornly independent. They didn't want to accept help. But I finally convinced them that it was just not sustainable for the long haul for them to not have any help, but be so far away and have nobody there. So I got them to move up to Los Angeles and I was lucky enough to be able to afford to get them a house in my neighborhood and I set it all up for them so that it's like really lovely to be in and has great vibes and I have some caregivers that help me but I mean as my close friends have witnessed I mean it's you know every night I have I have a ring camera in that that kind of projects over their sort of major living area.

46:52And every night I get in bed and I look at the ring camera and I just go like, okay, did they go to sleep? Did anybody fall down? Does it look like they ate their dinner? And I'll just sort of, you know, whatever, I'll give a call or, you know, I'll run up there. I mean, it's some constant level of caregiving and sometimes much bigger. Like my mom was in and out of the hospital five times in the last few months. And while that was happening, Nobody was home to watch my dad. And he ended up taking his pills twice because he didn't remember that he had some the nurse had given him his pills. And, you know, it's it's kind of constant, even if you're not the actual person doing the caregiving.

47:34And all this to say, I also, after Desperate Housewives, went to the court on blue because I've always cooked. But I really wanted to be elevate my cooking even more than it already was. and so I put those two things together that I know how to make great food and this idea of being sandwiched between you know taking care of your parents and your children or just when you felt like this is finally going to be that time in my life that I'm going to focus on me and then you're kind of unable to in the way you you imagined and anticipated and I thought it might be a cool thing to create this community where I make make yummy sandwiches while I'm talking about this in my kitchen.

48:15And so that's what I did. And I put that out there and it does seem like people are really responding to it. And sometimes you can't fix it, but just feeling like you're not alone, just knowing that somebody else is articulating what you're going through, I think is a relief. So many people on Instagram are talking about, I see it all the time, I don't know if I'm getting served it, but about how hard it is to take care of a toddler. And it seems to me and I haven't gotten to where you're at yet, but it seems to me there's a lot of parallels between. Well, as you were talking, one, that's so nice of you to do that because I mean, just so kind that you do that for your parents, but it's probably constant stress for you too, to be checking in on that camera all the time and looking and wondering and like hoping for the best, like praying.

49:02It is like managing a toddler in a way. It totally is. And in a way it's worse because the toddler, you can just say, sit in the car seat and this is where we're going and this is what you're eating. And, you know, they might not like it, but they're going to do what you say because that's the dynamic. You know, my mom, she does in a way make it worse because she's so resistant and, you know, she'll be resistant to help, but then she'll get an infection that then turns into sepsis. And like, if she had just accepted the help, we could have stopped in advance. Like I keep saying to her, I'm trying to put things in place that will keep you from being in a wheelchair.

49:45Like she'll say to me, I'm not taking any help until I'm in a wheelchair. And I'm like, I'm trying to keep you from being in a wheelchair. And I know that this is other people are experiencing, experiencing exactly what I'm talking about. It is in a way more frustrating because you can't really tell your parents what to do. And like the way you could tell a child what to do. And part of the work that I've had to do, I mean, you just sort of subtly mentioned it, Michael, that like I've had to give myself grace for like there is a little bit of you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink thing going here.

50:23Like I know that I have put in place and done absolutely everything I can do and I can't make them change their diet I can't make them walk more I can't the things I can do I've done and I've had to go and now I have to like be at peace with this I also think there's a generational thing too where like they grew up in a generation where maybe it's not as important to have a self-care routine and so like that's just what they've been ingrained it's like it's you're right you can't do it and they don't know modern things like my dad can't use a phone he how nice for him though i mean maybe that kind of feels like but it's frustrating for you but it's nice for him wouldn't be able to call for help or he can't get an uber or he doesn't can't order food like all the things we do and even the games and stuff that i think maybe he might benefit from like like the kind of I don't know, word games and things that free your mind.

51:22He can't do any of that. And they don't, they didn't evolve with learning modern conveniences. So they don't know what Twitter is. They don't know, you know, they're very stuck in the things that they knew in the 80s. Right. And it's fine, except it's not reality. Like I know the modern things. I know that exercise and diet and social activity are good for Alzheimer's and dementia. I know those studies. My parents don't. So me trying to put those things in front of them to make their lives be more joyful and healthier for a longer amount of time is difficult because they don't necessarily agree with me or they aren't aware of like current facts.

52:21I had to have a whole debate with my dad about asperitine. Is it asperitine? Aspartame. Yeah. In like Diet Coke or Pepsi. Not good for you. Yes. And I had to like, he's like, no. And he would fight me on it. And he would say like, no, but the fruit juice has more sugar. And that's where something, no, you can't. That's a natural sugar in a fruit, in a natural fruit. And like he would fight me on it because that generation, they came through that period of time when that was pushed to them. Like this is a good for you, better version. That's a small example. But there was no budging it for years.

52:51But it's a perfect example. And yeah, I've definitely lost the battle on nutrition. Like if I had had my way, I would have had one of those kinds of chefs or those home services, you know, that's delivering the good meals. And they just they want to eat, you know, canned whipped cream and and frozen food from Costco. But what a gift that you can give to your daughter, because now you know how important it is for you to evolve. And I'm hearing this when I get older. I'm like, OK, I need to make sure that I'm evolving and learning and keeping up. Yeah. So now you can set yourself up so you can give your daughter maybe a different experience.

53:30I think that's true. Maybe it's happening, like all happening for you. Well, I think that's a really good way to look at it. And I am trying to continue to learn new things and not get settled in what is comfortable for me. I mean, honestly, doing a podcast. I know. Like it's crazy doing a podcast or like editing. Like sometimes I'm like doing editing now or making these videos. I mean I can't say that I enjoy it but I I do enjoy community I really do I I my daughter always tells me that I have the older I get the more of an overshare I am like if I go to the grocery store and you know how people will just casually be like how's your day I mean you're in trouble because like you're just gonna you're gonna hear about you know well this morning my cat threw up on my favorite rug and then it took me I mean and you're gonna get an earful and I I just, I love meeting people.

54:21I love strangers. And so I am trying to continue to grow my community, learn new things. But to that end, my friends and I, we were like, you know what we need to do? We need to write a letter to ourselves right now that says, Terry, when, if you're reading this, you are probably 80 years old and you probably don't want to have a caregiver or blah, blah, blah. I'm telling you as a 60 year old don't do this to your daughter and do this and this and this because what happens is like my you know my parents I'm still having the no you can't drive the car no you don't have a driver's license that's valid yes I do no you don't like I here's the letter your your driver's license has been revoked because you failed this that and the other thing that's not true yes it is you know what I mean like it's frustrating it is really hard.

55:16It sounds really frustrating. It's hard because I imagine like it's probably so frustrating for them. Oh, I know. And that's I have empathy for that. And I'm not trying to take their independence away. Lauren, you try to stop me on that wheel. I'm going to be I'm out of. I'm going to be like, you go off. You know who just wrote a good book that I feel like there's a book in you for this is Bruce Willis's wife just wrote a book on caring for him, which is different than what you're describing, but I feel like we need a book from someone who's a daughter or a son about the parents. Okay. Random house.

55:47Did you hear that? Random house. We need some merch and we need a book because not a lot of people talk about it. It's inevitable. Any of us with aging parents are going to face this day eventually. We are all aging and going to face this day event. Like it's, you know, aging is scary. And by the way, it's a blessing. It's a blessing to be aging. And so I think bringing it back to me my whole thing is about trying to age well and you know that includes what I'm eating how I'm exercising you know how like I said learning you know what what I'm doing with my brain in a way that I don't think my parents considered like I think my parents my mom specifically I really think that she thought they're just going to drop dead on the same day like somehow that's what i think about me and michael i'm with your mom i'm like well we'll just die the same day yeah i might go a little further maybe you never might have a second act you never know you can have a second act if you want i'll be dead i don't know if you've seen this i had a my grandmother one of my grandmothers passed from dementia and she had that and there's i don't know if you've seen this or if there's any truth and i'm definitely not a doctor the person but there's been more people and more studies coming out talking about higher cholesterol being associated with a defense against Alzheimer's.

57:04And eggs, obviously, in particular, but our parents' generation, that was a generation of low cholesterol, less cholesterol, don't do that. And I don't know if you've seen anything like that, but it's interesting how science evolves and more information comes out because I just think about the marketing and the messaging from the medical, not that it's their fault, where they thought at the time high cholesterol is bad. Now they're saying maybe that guards against... I don't even think my parents come out of a generation or at least not their personal life story of where there was even that awareness.

57:37I mean, you know, always eating fried things, always eating sugary things, always eating things full of fat, not exercising. They were the first group to go through like all of the chemically processed high output foods. We had them as kids. It seems like it's changing a bit. Let's talk about YNAB, one of my favorite things to talk about because I cannot stand when people have financial stress in their life. Speaking firsthand, I know exactly what it means to feel stressed about money, to work really hard, not knowing what you're keeping, what you're saving, what you're going to be able to invest, and having those bills pile up on you with no end in sight.

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1:04:16Go to shop skinnyconfidential.com and get it delivered right to your door. What do you do for exercise and diet? What are your tips to look as good as you look? Oh, well, thank you. I mean, for one, I try to focus on what I can do, not what I look like. So that's a mental trick that I do with myself, because if you're not augmenting your face, you know, you are going to look in the mirror and be like, oh, those wrinkles, like that's not great. I don't love that I necessarily look like that because it's not how I used to look. But but oh, well, because I can still take my big heavy suitcase and shove it in the overhead bin as I'm traveling to France for my vacation.

1:05:01Like that's what's important to me. The wealthiest cheerleader, I told you. So what do I do? I do twice a week. I work out with a trainer with that that kind of workout with weights where you're pushing like the maximum weight that you can push for two minutes before you sort of like fail. You know, you push to failure. So I do that for my bones and my muscles, even though I'm thin, that is what I'm doing. I do sprint sets on the treadmill. I have it at around like a two incline and I'll do maybe 10, one minute off, one minute on sprint sets. And then what I look at is more of like a mental health thing than a physical health thing is in my neighborhood, I can hike up into the hills.

1:05:48and so we'll hike it probably will include about like 10 floors meaning like the hills are pretty significant but I'll do three to four miles and in those hikes which I do almost every day I usually don't have headphones in and and I had this app that I that I got a long time ago called Merlin which is a which is a bird identifying app and so I sort of looked at it as a meditation of like I'd be walking along. And when I finally heard like, you know, tweet, tweet, tweet in a certain way, I'd be like, oh, curiosity. Like, what's that bird? And I would get out my little app and it would tell me like, oh, that's a finch or that's a sparrow or that's a hawk or whatever.

1:06:28And then I would see if I could find it. And it was kind of this like calming. My kids would love that too. I could play it in the morning when Lauren's talking, it'll come up as like crow. That's right. Don't speak to me before 10. so I think those are primarily my exercise stuff I keep saying I'm going to stretch more what are your go-tos for eating are you vegan are you I'm not no I love all food okay but but I I tend to eat primarily focused on protein and fiber okay so you know if I open my kitchen I I mean, if I open my refrigerator, you know, I'm looking at eggs and cottage cheese and different vegetables and different fruits.

1:07:14And if I open my pantry, I'm looking at walnuts and almonds and pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds and chia seeds and chickpeas. And like my go to snacks right now, I love my air fryer and my go to snacks right now are frying a bag of frozen okra. So I just dump a bag of frozen okra in the air fryer. I spray it with olive oil. I sprinkle salt, pepper, and nutritional yeast on it. And then I fry it for like 16 minutes at 400. You need to do an Instagram reel on this. And it's kind of like popcorn. What's okra like? What is it? What does okra take like? So okra is, I mean, some people say that okra is like the most disgusting vegetable, but it's very good for you.

1:07:56It's, you know, falls into like a broccoli kind of asparagus category. if you eat it if you cook it wrong it can be really slimy and that's why people typically don't like okra but it is really good for you and and i find it to be like popcorn and i do the same thing with chickpeas like out of the can and yeah so 16 minutes in the air fryer yeah that's it at 400 yeah and you put natural yeast or nutritional yeast you can yeah so if you do it that way it won't come out slimy it'll just be perfect yeah it'll be perfect that sounds good yeah and and so you like healthy snacks now this isn't to say that i don't go to the movies and order popcorn or that i don't you know find a time to have some licorice or something whatever like i like stuff too but i'm just i'm just aware of eating sugar or eating things that are you know full of not good nutrition i'm gonna get me some okra tell us about your podcast where everyone can go listen.

1:08:53It's called Desperately Devoted Podcasts. Yes. Well, it's iHeart Media, but you can also listen to it at Spotify or Apple, wherever you get your podcasts. And yeah, it's a rewatch podcast. But as I said, we're using it as a springboard to talk about things that are important to us in terms of being a human, being in relationships, parenting, whatever that is, wherever the show's subject matter for that episode sort of leads us. And I'm doing it with my real life daughter, who is a screenwriter, and she's 27, almost 28. And then my daughter, who was an actress who played my daughter on the show.

1:09:31And her name is Andrea Bowen. And she is recently married and almost having her first child. And so it's the three of us. I really think, you know, there's a great girl, woman power chemistry, but we are from three different generations. You know, my daughter is the one that'll be using the word heteronormative quite a bit. What does that mean? You know, it's just like her generation of people are focused on identity and got it. And I didn't know that that was a word. I've never heard that word. And she went to Brown. So she's I'm learning. She's pretty intellectual, but she's super cool and very insightful and very well read and offers a lot of different takes on things.

1:10:14And she's never it for the first time and then andrea and i were in it so we have we have our small amount of behind the scenes memories that we share but really it's just three women hanging out before you go you have to tell us your best tip for parenting because you've obviously raised a daughter who's smart thank you you mentioned she went to brown yeah she's pretty incredible sounds adjusted well well adjusted yeah what's the tips okay i'll give you one that i remember that I think is conscious and I and we were talking about food so I think it applies to food very early on I decided I did not I wanted to try to help raise a daughter that didn't have a problem with food like a like an association with food that leads to bad things and and so I I really consciously tried to never do the if then like if you do your homework you can have a piece of candy.

1:11:16If you fall down, you can have an ice cream. I tried to, I went the total opposite. I would be like, here's some M &Ms. Nothing happened. Do you know what I mean? Like, and like, let's have, let's, let's eat broccoli or let's have, let's have pancakes for dinner. Like I tried to disassociate emotion from food and that paid off in a really big way. My, my daughter's really healthy but she's not like too healthy you know she just has a very good relationship with food and exercise and her own self-image that's great advice it's a great tip i literally use skittles like like money so i need to like work on that i'm all yeah if you stop i might think of giving you a skittle so i'm gonna take that advice and apply it my other thing that she would tell you that stuck with her which i think is the only it's important because it stuck with her.

1:12:08I used to tell her when she was in sort of like later grade school and early high school and when kids start to have massive stress about testing and judgment, you know, did I get an A, whatever. And I used to tell her a test is only a reflection of what you knew that, of what you were able to demonstrate that you knew in that hour. It's not a reflection of your future success, your future happiness, what you might be capable of. That is the window of information it's telling you. And that's all it is. It doesn't mean it's not important. It doesn't mean that you should know like, oh, you got a D.

1:12:48Okay. So what's been reflected to you is that in that hour, you were not able to communicate that you knew that information. And you can do with that what you want. Maybe you need to study that information more to get a better handle on it or whatever. but lots of children let it reflect on their personal value let it reflect on their future capabilities what happened to you what do you mean what happened to me meaning like you just got a d and you were like my father was like listen the the the lower the letter is in the alphabet the worst it's gonna i'm just kidding i was the worst in school i unfortunately did not feel enough pressure uh yeah you had enough saturday schools so that my daughter would say that that seemed to help her that is that even in her adult life when like she gets doesn't get some job or whatever that she's able to sort of compute that in a way that doesn't chip away at her personal value she sounds fabulous you'd love her you guys and she'd love you she'd love you and and yeah we've covered a lot of ground next time you come to la before we go can you i would love that yeah before we go can you just say to my daughter in your caroline voice something coralline coralline um yes what what should i say what's her name zaza zaza yeah like z-a-z-a z-a-z-a okay maybe you can tell her what should she tell her she's five tell her what you would tell your five-year-old she's almost six well let's see oh my gosh no i'm so on the spot um um listen she's not tuning in right we're gonna have to play we're gonna play it for her yeah yeah yeah no no does she does she do anything like do you want me to say something like she you should she should listen to her mom and her dad yeah and also she should eat her eggs tell her okay okay zaza i want to make sure that you eat your eggs and listen to your parents we're gonna show her the movie and then we're gonna play that if you're listening you're so lucky.

1:14:50I would love to meet you when you're in LA. Your mom is fabulous. You really are. You've done it all. I've done it all. Where can everyone find your podcast, follow you on Instagram, watch your series, all the things? Okay. So on Instagram, I'm under official Terry Hatcher, and that's where you can see what I'm up to in life. And if you want to tune into my sandwich series where I talk about caregiving and making gourmet sandwiches, and my podcast is called Desperately Devoted, and it can be found on Apple or Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Which recipe should they start with on your Instagram?

1:15:24Oh, wow. The tuna melt was a very big hit. Oh, I love a tuna melt. Closely followed by the egg sandwich for breakfast and then the meatball sub. Did you hear that, Sazit? I'll do all three of those. Yeah, that sounds good. I'm going to go look at it right now. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. It was so nice to meet you both. Anytime you want to. In Austin. I'm so happy to be in Austin.