The Glucose Goddess Jessie Inchauspé On The Truth About Blood Sugar, Energy, & Managing Cravings

11:44Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Go sleep somewhere else. That's divorce. I can't do it. I'm too nervous.

11:47Michael Bosstick:if I said right now doesn't it hurt? no not at all so by the way

11:51Jessie Inchauspé:it's not a needle it's not a needle

11:53Michael Bosstick:it's like a little velcro patch almost pretty much yeah so if I said Jessie it reminds me of the

11:59Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:castor oil thing that you put on your belly button every night but if I were to

12:03Michael Bosstick:give you like and say okay eat this small bag of gummy bears right now that would spike your glucose right? probably yeah I mean depending

12:10Jessie Inchauspé:how small or big it is

12:12Michael Bosstick:like a normal size airport bag it would spike

12:14Jessie Inchauspé:so I would say Michael have some almonds at the same time so that you balance the blood sugar spike. Because we just talked about the spike. But what comes after the spike? The crash. And the crash, the bigger the spike, the bigger the crash. And crash leads to cravings, fatigue, and hunger. So you want to avoid the spikes because you want to reduce inflammation and aging. And you want to avoid the crashes because you don't want to feel tired.

12:36Michael Bosstick:So when somebody is spiking and all of a sudden you get that craving for junk food, that is likely you're experiencing in your body a glucose crash.

12:44Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Very likely, yeah. If you're going to have a glass of wine and you're in Paris, what are you having to balance that out? Protein before. Okay.

12:53Jessie Inchauspé:Yeah. Never on an empty stomach. Protein or some nuts, little olives that they usually give you when you have a glass of wine. So alcohol on an empty stomach is going to be worse for your body than alcohol after food. But here's the cool thing. Wine does not spike your glucose levels. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So alcohol does not. What does spike your glucose levels is sugar that's added to a cocktail. So for example, a mojito, Cosmopolitan, etc. that have sugar in them, that'll spike you. So if you just have a glass of wine, it doesn't spike it? No, but it doesn't mean the glass of wine is good for you.

13:24Jessie Inchauspé:Glucose is not everything. You can eat something that doesn't spike you, that's still not very good for you. Because glucose is just one aspect of health.

13:32Michael Bosstick:What are some of the, in your findings, what are some of the things that spike our glucose in a negative way the most?

13:39Jessie Inchauspé:Any fruit-based healthy thing. like fruit-based smoothie, 100 % fruit smoothie, or granola with healthy honey or healthy coconut sugar. All of these things that are actually really sweet, they're just sugar. It's not because something comes from fruit or something is with unrefined coconut sugar that it's better for you. It's still sugar, it'll spike you.

14:00Michael Bosstick:Are there times, and this may sound like a strange question, that you do want to spike your glucose, like maybe for a workout or something, or no?

14:05Jessie Inchauspé:So workouts can spike your glucose. So there's something you have to know is that you eat glucose, but your body can also make some from the inside if you need more for your muscles. So when you exercise intensely, sometimes your liver will be like, uh-oh, we need more glucose for our muscles, and we'll just release a bunch of glucose into your bloodstream. You'll see a spike, but it doesn't come from food. It comes from the exercise. In this case, the spike is not actually harmful.

14:29Michael Bosstick:You want that spike for the muscles? Not necessarily.

14:31Jessie Inchauspé:Like if you fuel properly before a workout, you're probably not going to get the spike from your liver.

14:36Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:How would you fuel before or a workout knowing everything you know about glucose?

14:40Jessie Inchauspé:I would do a combo of protein and some whole fruits. So glucose is helpful for your muscles to be able to do what they need to do. So if you have some glucose in your system, you'll be able to do more explosive work. So I lift weights and for weightlifting, it's nice to have some of that explosive thing. I'm not gonna go for a two hour long slow bike ride. I like to do kind of hit intensity stuff. So I would do peanut butter and banana, classic. Super good, very nice. There's carbs in there, but also the peanut butter is going to slow down the sugar from the banana. So you get a nice steady curve and your body will be filled with the sugar.

15:16Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Sandy, our trainer, said that we should eat something very similar to that. She said two eggs or three.

15:23Michael Bosstick:I do four eggs before.

15:24Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Okay, but sometimes like eating eggs in the morning right away is like, oh. But she said two eggs if you can only stomach two and half of a banana. Yeah, sounds great. She said she likes that for us before we lift. That's really interesting. I didn't know that it had to do with glucose.

15:38Michael Bosstick:You said you weightlift. Have you done any studies?

15:41Jessie Inchauspé:I'm not like a professional weightlifter.

15:43Michael Bosstick:Okay, but you'd say it's a modality that you like. Yeah, absolutely. And have you done any studies on showing what a lot of cardio does to glucose levels?

15:53Jessie Inchauspé:What do you mean? Like, do they reduce glucose levels? Does it reduce or does it rock? So a very effective thing, like if you see a spike in your body, an effective thing would be to just go for a long walk or do a little bit of cardio because that's going to use up the sugar in your bloodstream, the glucose in your bloodstream.

16:07Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:You seem like you like a long walk for managing. I've heard you say that a couple times. Yeah, I'm French.

16:11Jessie Inchauspé:No, we like walking. I can't walk anywhere here. You got to take cars all the time. What's up with that?

16:16Michael Bosstick:Where are you most of the time? In LA. Yeah. Yeah, LA's not really a walking place. No.

16:22Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Go to Sun Life. Okay. And go walk around the lake. LA's really like a place.

16:26Michael Bosstick:You kind of are in the area and you have to drive there. New York's better for walking.

16:30Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Yes.

16:31Michael Bosstick:Right. Love New York. Yeah.

16:32Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:So when you think of your perfect glucose dinner, it's really amazing. And what if the audience is listening? What would you tell them to make?

16:42Jessie Inchauspé:So my brain goes to pasta because I love pasta. So if I were to make a dinner that contains pasta, but it's good for my glucose levels, I would make a veggie starter. So I'd make like some nice roasted broccoli with like tahini, a bit of chili, something like that as a starter to get the fiber to protect me from the spike. Then I'd do a protein. So I don't know, like a nice piece of turkey or beef or anything. And then I'll make a nice big plate of spaghetti and a ton of parmesan and olive oil and sea salt. Sounds good, no? And then for dessert, I mean, fruit is always a very good option if you want something sweet, but not too spiking of your glucose.

17:18Jessie Inchauspé:You can eat anything you want and still keep your glucose levels steady and managed if you learn these little tips. So we talked about the veggies first. We talked about pairing a piece of fruit or sugar with like some almonds or some nut butter. other stuff you can do vinegar vinegar is very interesting so you have a little glass of water there michael if you put a tablespoon of vinegar in there and drink it before you eat carbs you're going to lower that glucose spike of those carbs by up to 40 because vinegar contains this like magical molecule that slows down how quickly carbs turn to glucose in your digestive system

17:53Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:can you eat them with like cucumber yeah i love yeah vinegar and cucumbers like pickled cucumbers Yeah. Yeah. That's so good. So how do you tell moms to serve their kids? Is it the same formula?

18:05Jessie Inchauspé:Yeah.

18:05Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:So you do vegetables, protein, carbs.

18:09Jessie Inchauspé:A really good tip is while you're making dinner, if your kids are a bit hungry, just serve some pieces of like raw carrots or celery or cucumbers, put them on the table. They can just kind of nibble on them before dinner. So they get a veggie starter in there before you even sit down. And there's a big thing for kids, which is we have to get rid of the idea that fruit juice is healthy. So whole fruit is fine. Fruit juice is just sugar. So there's a lot of marketing in there that we have to unpack. But yes, same things apply. I wouldn't do vinegar for kids because it's just a bit too intense probably for the little teeth.

18:41Jessie Inchauspé:But yeah, it's the same concept. So a protein rich savory breakfast is always the way to go, whether you're an adult or a kid. That's super important for your glucose levels. Veggies first, move after eating, put clothing on your carbs. If it's 4 p.m. and your kid is like, I really want this donut or this whatever, say, okay, but first have some almonds. You want to package always the sugar with a source of protein, fat, or fiber to help lower the spike.

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25:49Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:We have two negotiators. They negotiate. Yeah, you would not believe my son's negotiation. How do you manage? It's so, there's, the manipulations are crazy. This morning, it was.

26:00Michael Bosstick:The problem is he's pretty clever, and I don't want to discourage the negotiation because part of me, like, I'm like, I respect it, and I want him to, like, to. Business acumen. Yeah, I'm like, I want him to develop the confidence to, like, the other day we were saying, like, we were joking. I forget what it was about. We were saying winning or something about a game we were playing, and I won the game. I don't just let him win. I'm like, and then he goes, no, you didn't win. I won. I won. He goes, fine. Then we tied. And I'm like, he like, I'm like, okay, fine. We'll tie this morning.

26:29Jessie Inchauspé:He said, fine. We tied. I was like,

26:30Michael Bosstick:because it was kind of like, it was, it was like a dumb game or something, but the point I didn't want to discourage him. Be like, no, you lose, you know, because I, because I had respected that. I see what he's doing. I'm like, okay. Like it's, I want to develop his confidence muscle.

26:43Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:This morning he came up to me and said, Mom, I just really want to snuggle with you. And I thought, oh my God, of course you're so cute. And then he said, okay, let's go snuggle. Could you grab a cinnamon roll and let's watch Ninja Turtles?

26:56Jessie Inchauspé:That's amazing.

26:57Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:That is a habit stack. He got the food that he wanted in with the Ninja Turtles, but he was using the snuggle as to enter the door.

27:04Michael Bosstick:I have another question for you. How did you originally get so into the topic of glucose? because obviously you've built an entire business and brand like around glucose i would be curious

27:15Jessie Inchauspé:honestly it came to me i didn't look for it so i would say the origin story is i was 19 years old i went to hawaii for vacation jumped off a waterfall broke my back oh jesus so my one of my vertebraes snapped into 13 pieces sorry it's gruesome especially for you learn for all the oh no i can handle that i just can't handle a glucose monitor okay cool cool so she would I'd rather snap her back. We tried to keep it up. And now I have all these metal rods in my back. Yeah. So I had surgery.

27:40Michael Bosstick:By the way, back pain is the worst.

27:43Jessie Inchauspé:Yes. But I don't have any back pain.

27:45Michael Bosstick:Okay. Well, at the time, though.

27:46Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Let's stop projecting your back pain.

27:48Jessie Inchauspé:I have a back pain. You're like, back pain is the worst. Yeah. So physical, you know, injury, et cetera. But then I started developing these crazy mental health symptoms. So depersonalization, which is a feeling of being a stranger in your own body. I would look into mirrors and have panic attacks. I'd be like, who's that? Like it was fucking freaky. I was not okay. And I was 19 and I was completely broken. And at that point I felt, okay, if I don't fix my health, like, I don't know how I'm going to go on. And so I was studying mathematics and I kind of shifted. I was like, okay, I have to understand how this body functions.

28:23Jessie Inchauspé:So I went to school for biochemistry, my graduate studies. I worked in genetics for a long time, etc but nothing helped me the only thing that helped me almost 10 years after my accident is putting on a freaking glucose monitor and it showed me that big glucose spikes could trigger these episodes of depersonalization yeah that's the face i made lauren so wait how long does

28:47Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:depersonalization last is it all day long or is it come and go it was like constant for six months

28:53Jessie Inchauspé:year and then it started just being these waves and I would be super scared of being alone ever because I would I didn't know when they would come up and start and one morning I had a donut for breakfast and I was wearing a glucose monitor as part of this pilot study I was in with my work in Silicon Valley just kind of randomly and big glucose spike from the donut and boom I feel an episode coming on and so I went whoa this is the first time I have a clue about something that might be connected to my mental health nobody that I talked to no doctor nothing ever said look at your diet ever ever and so I was like thank god like thank you universe for showing me this and so this came from a desire to fix myself so I looked through all the studies I was like glucose and mental health glucose and somebody without diabetes and I read everything I could I found these hacks I discovered them I applied them I started feeling better and then I could rebuild you know after this sort of baseline nutritional stuff then I did a lot of EMDR somatic therapy and now I'm fine but it was through my own pain and then I was like people need to know this stuff because it's not just for mental health whether you have fertility issues type 2 diabetes cravings fatigue eczema acne etc these glucose hacks are super important for everybody what kind of somatic healing did you do so craniosacral therapy was great and then I just learned that when I'm having an episode an important thing is to go into my body because I was kind of stuck in fight-or-flight after the accident I I was really scared that I was going to die from the surgery.

30:20Jessie Inchauspé:And so my body was locked up from distress. So I started learning. I need to dance. I need to move. If I'm not feeling well, get on the ground. Like do yoga, move, make sounds. Like let my body release the stress that was inside of it. So I kind of made up my own stuff.

30:35Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Michael and I have recently gotten very into cranial sacral therapy. Yeah.

30:40Michael Bosstick:She's deeper in it than me, but I'm starting to do.

30:42Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I cannot believe. it is like I have done nine years of talk therapy in seven months I cannot I honestly can't believe it I can't I almost can't even explain it to you because it's so gnarly and you can't explain it to anyone really until they do it did you have that experience with it it was one of the first

31:03Jessie Inchauspé:things I did and the first session the practitioner puts her hands behind my head and I'm laying down and all of a sudden my whole body starts feeling the pain that I felt years before when I woke up from my surgery. My whole sciatics were in like everything was burning. My back was burning. My legs were burning. I started shaking. I was like what the heck is happening? So your body released it? Yes. Yes. Did you cry or throw up? Oh yeah. I cry all the time but it was more the crying was just a stress release but I saw that my body was holding on to all this stuff and I was so shocked that this practice this session sort of summoned it back it's wild like how what happened in your

31:44Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:experience can you share i've just i've just been unwinding have you heard of this like moving and like i move all these different ways and it's like your fascia's unwinding and you get sick one night too i got a hex herx i know what that is hex carson it's i don't know what it's called it's it's a physical reaction like kind of like you get to ayahuasca um and it felt like there was all this i want i hate to say trauma but that's what it felt like in my fascia it was wild and i was drawn to it because we got it for our baby and i was like oh i'll do a session and i then i did it and i was like holy shit you know what she said too and i don't know if you've experienced this it can take 10 years to get into unwinding oh great you have to open your third eye But when you did cranial sacral, did you find that it helped with pain in your back or did you not have any pain anymore?

32:37Jessie Inchauspé:It was never about the pain in the back. Never about the pain. It was always about the brain. It was always about the intense fear of being alive that I had developed. Did it help with depersonalization? It helped a little bit, yeah, over time. It helped. I would feel better after the sessions. I would come back. It was a long, long process. But it's one of the modalities that helped me, yes.

32:53Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:When you started getting better through learning more about glucose, was the shift really just eating the donut in a different way?

33:01Jessie Inchauspé:It was not eating the donut for breakfast. It was eating protein in the morning. And if I did really want the donut, it would be after a meal for dessert, you know, at the end.

33:10Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:So it's not like you're telling people. What I think is so cool about you is you're not telling people to deprive yourself or not eat the donut. No. You're just saying have a strategy around the donut.

33:20Jessie Inchauspé:It's like, how do you eat the donut in the way that doesn't create a vicious cycle of addiction? We all want to eat the donut. But if you have it for breakfast all day, you're going to want a chai latte with a bunch of sugar and a cookie and, you know, more chocolate because you're going to be in this glucose roller coaster. So buy the donut, have it after lunch for dessert so that it doesn't start controlling you. Like, I want to control my donuts. I don't want the donuts controlling me and how I feel and the amount of sugar cravings I'm having. Do you follow me? Yeah.

33:50Michael Bosstick:And even in this country in particular, maybe not so much internationally, but maybe happening more now. A lot of people start their day with these super sugary coffee drinks or energy drinks with a ton of sugar and artificial sweeteners. And so I imagine the majority of those people, the first thing in the morning.

34:06Jessie Inchauspé:Stay with the glucose spike, yes. And I think one of the main contributions of my work has been for people to understand that glucose matters for everybody, not just for people with diabetes. Because it affects you in so many ways. For me, it was mental health. Maybe for you guys, it would be, I don't know, something completely random. Maybe your toenail would stop hurting. I don't know. But blood sugar balance is the key of good physical and mental health. And so you don't know what it's going to unlock for you. If you think you could feel better than you currently do, then you need to try to manage your glucose levels and see what happens.

34:36Jessie Inchauspé:Does honey spike your glucose? Yes.

34:39Michael Bosstick:Yes, it does. Even raw. Honey is sugar. Okay.

34:41Jessie Inchauspé:Yes, honey is sugar. So honey is great. If you love it, have it for enjoyment. Don't think it's like a health food. Have it after a meal, for example. Don't start your day with a tea and five teaspoons of honey in it. That's going to be a big glucose spike waiting to happen.

34:54Michael Bosstick:I do honey sometimes in my coffee, but the other day she was asking why, because I remember I wasn't doing it. And I said, intuitively, I just feel like it was too much honey. Yeah, potentially.

35:04Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:If you're going to eat honey, though, can you have two eggs before the honey? Absolutely. Okay. That's my girl.

35:10Michael Bosstick:Have they done any studies with spiked glucose levels as it correlates to mental health or mental disorders?

35:15Jessie Inchauspé:Yes. So diets that cause more glucose spikes lead to people having, well, lead to, are associated with people having more symptoms of depression and anxiety. So when you put people with depression and anxiety on a low glycemic diet, that means a low glucose spike diet, they report fewer symptoms. I'm not saying it's causing things. Like, I don't know what was going on in my brain. Maybe it was the inflammation from the spike that was triggering the episode. You know, who knows? But there is a correlation. We know that diet and mental health are linked. And we know that more glucose spikes is associated with more symptoms.

35:47Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Do you have MTFHR? I don't think so. I wonder because I know there's a lot of people listening that have that. And I wonder if it's harder for them to process glucose.

35:55Jessie Inchauspé:I think it has to do with folate, right? Like folate processing, folate metabolism. I don't know if it impacts glucose.

36:01Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:You have to DM me if it does, if you find that out. I would love to know what your thoughts are on that. I have a particular question. Every weekend, my kids want me to make mommy waffles. And I want to know if there's a better way to do it. It's eggs, bananas, and oats. And you blend it up and it's a waffle. Great. Is that okay because there's eggs in it? Or is that defeating what you're saying?

36:24Jessie Inchauspé:so everything is okay it's okay to make waffles for your kids that have a little bit of sugar in them right it's not about doing it never so you said eggs oats and banana yep i mean that's a

36:37Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:pretty good and healthy waffle with maple syrup i think my question is like is it okay if the eggs are paired with the carbs do you know what i'm saying it's a good thing it's a good thing versus having them before versus having the eggs and then having waffles she's asking because of the

36:53Michael Bosstick:because of the syrup but if you're having the things before I think you're asking

36:57Jessie Inchauspé:mixing versus one after the other okay so one after the other is better however mixing is better than no eggs at all in the waffles okay you see what I mean so we can deal with umami waffles you can deal and also by the way nothing is good or bad in a vacuum it's always like compared to what right

37:13Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:so these waffles well compared to his french toast because that doesn't have an egg in it there you go

37:17Michael Bosstick:no I use a nice french brioche

37:19Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:nope you should have eggs first

37:20Michael Bosstick:we have a competition with the kids and we say what's better Wait, isn't French toast in this egg mixture?

37:25Jessie Inchauspé:Don't you make it with eggs? Yeah, you make it with eggs. Kind of. It's like a little egg brush. Can I suggest something, please? Put on a glucose monitor and test both and see which one has the biggest spike.

37:36Michael Bosstick:I will do it. Okay, which glucose monitor do you like?

37:39Jessie Inchauspé:I recommend Stello, which is the simplest, most accurate one. I can send you some. Stello. Test it out. Send me the spikes and we'll do like a full piece of content about them.

37:50Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I'm not joking. I'll have to leave for the one.

37:52Michael Bosstick:You should film her putting it on me and see. I can't even talk about that. You want to talk about mental health? Well, watch her do that. I'm just kidding. It's a joke. Go ahead. Calm down, people. I'll send you some, Michael. Okay, so you can test. I'm excited. I like this kind of thing because I feel like we're similar. Oh, do you?

38:06Jessie Inchauspé:I can't tell at all that you're interested in this topic.

38:08Michael Bosstick:No, because I like the idea of being able to measure every little thing that's going on.

38:12Jessie Inchauspé:And also, there is value in just intuitively feeling how your body feels. But it's cool to have data because you can get real-time insights into what's going on. Is fruit bad for glucose? No. Okay, so that's a lie. Whole fruit is fine. Okay. Even though whole fruit is not natural. So, okay, let me unpack this. So you know when people are like, oh, fruit is natural, comes from nature, blah, blah, blah. It's not true. All of the, do you guys have pets? Yeah. Yeah. Dogs? Yeah. Okay. So you know how all dogs that exist today are human creation? They all descend from wolves and humans have been breeding dogs to make like a chihuahua, golden retriever.

38:45Jessie Inchauspé:These are not real dogs. They've been bred into these species. I did not know that. Okay, there you go. So all dogs are fake.

38:52Michael Bosstick:Lauren thought you always walked the earth during the dinosaur times.

38:56Jessie Inchauspé:It's a conspiracy. So all dogs have been, quote unquote, engineered by humans. Okay. Fruit is the same. All the fruit in the supermarket today has been bred for centuries by humans to make them super sweet and juicy and low in fiber and high in sugar. What if you grow your own? Still, because the seeds that you buy, they're modern seeds that have been engineered and bred. If you go to like the Amazon, like untouched rainforest, you'll find bananas that are not like the bananas you find at Whole Foods. They're small and they're dense and they have low amounts of sugar in them. Okay, so all this to say that the fruit you buy today is not natural.

39:29Jessie Inchauspé:It's high in sugar on purpose. That being said, fruit also contains fiber. And as I explained, fiber helps slow down the spike. The problem arises when you change that piece of fruit into like a smoothie or juice. because then you're getting rid of all the fiber or pulverizing the fiber and then just a bunch of sugar arrives into your bloodstream. So yes, whole fruit is always fine. Fruit juice, fruit smoothies, be careful. They're for enjoyment, not for health.

39:55Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Got it. So all these people that are doing these crazy smoothies at all these establishments are spiking their glucose. Or juice cleanses.

40:03Jessie Inchauspé:Or juice cleanses. I mean, if you do like a vegetable juice, it's fine because vegetables don't contain sugar. For smoothies, it's fine to have some whole fruit in your smoothie. just don't make a smoothie that's 100 % fruit. Make sure there's protein and fat in there to lower the spike.

40:18Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Why don't you create a smoothie that's glucose appropriate with Erwan? That's my pitch. Yeah. That would be a great,

40:26Jessie Inchauspé:like we don't need to worry about the glucose spike. The glucose goddess smoothie.

40:29Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Yes. I'm putting that out there in the ether for you. Great.

40:33Jessie Inchauspé:I think that'd be great. I would do, okay Erwan, if you're listening, we're going to do unsweetened almond butter. Okay. Unsweetened almond milk. grass-fed whey some frozen berries and some sprouted walnuts and then you blend that and then we're going to add some cacao nibs on top. Why not real milk? No, you can put real milk. I love real milk. It just feels like this smoothie is like an almond kind of vibe.

40:59Michael Bosstick:Yeah. I hear one probably.

41:02Jessie Inchauspé:I love whey.

41:04Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:We can do milk. It's totally fine. So you're putting the protein with the unsweetened peanut butter as the healthy fat and the protein and then the milk's a little bit of fat if we do real milk yes but the protein is essential when you're doing that essential essential you need

41:19Jessie Inchauspé:the two scoops of whey in there or another source of protein what do you do when someone comes to you and they're a vegan depends on their stage in life if they're pregnant i'm like girl you got to get supplements like buy my book and figure out what you need to eat because with a vegan diet you will not get everything your baby needs. If they're not pregnant, I'll say make sure that you are not confusing vegan with healthy. There are lots of unhealthy vegan foods and make sure you're getting your protein. Make sure you're supplementing with omega-3s also.

41:48Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What do you mean make sure you're not confusing vegan with healthy?

41:52Michael Bosstick:Because people think that just because it says vegan on it, that that means it's a healthy product. Exactly.

41:57Jessie Inchauspé:So you see like a vegan smoothie and you're like, oh, that's healthy, but you don't realize it has two cups of honey and maple syrup and lots of things can be vegan and really bad for you.

42:06Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What is healthy when it comes to being vegan?

42:09Jessie Inchauspé:Well, I guess whole fruit, whole vegetables, a ton of lentils, a ton of pulses, avocados, olive oil, nuts and seeds, coconuts.

42:21Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:And do you eat everything? Yeah. So what are the main food groups that you're focused on?

42:27Jessie Inchauspé:I am focused on protein. So I eat a lot of eggs. I love meat fish chicken I eat a lot of fats I'm French so I love cheese I love cheese too I love Parmesan Parmesan is like my addiction I love Parmesan so I put Parmesan on everything I eat lots of veggies and then I eat lots of good stuff like I love bread I love pasta I love desserts but I just eat them in the right way to not trigger depersonalization episodes

42:51Michael Bosstick:outside of people learning to eat in the right order which we've covered if you could wave a wand what are some things you just would completely eliminate from people's diets in the way that they're eating?

43:02Jessie Inchauspé:Probably like sweet breakfast foods, which I think are really harming us. A hundred years ago, people didn't have dessert for breakfast. And now most kids are being brought up on sweet breakfast cereal. So I'd replace all of those with an omelet.

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43:52Michael Bosstick:Chocolate's my go-to. I typically take it with a little bit of milk, and then I also add a banana and some kind of nut butter, sometimes some blueberry, sometimes some spinach. And it feels like I'm getting a full meal. So lately, I've been trying to add a bit more protein. So has Lauren. We are both trying to put on a little bit of muscle at the start of this year. Or like I said, you're looking to fuel strength and fuel and replenish your muscles with the protein and the electrolytes in this product. This product is going to help you do all of that. It's also going to help ignite metabolism and help nourish your immune system with the vitamin C and zinc probiotics.

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50:47Jessie Inchauspé:look out I'm a different person if I have like a croissant for breakfast like stay away I'll be awful. If I have my nice omelet with feta and tomatoes, I'm a much nicer person. We are affected by what we eat. Our brain is affected by the levels of glucose in our blood.

51:02Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:It's crazy. So if someone's listening and they're pregnant, what are some pillars that you swear by that they can find in your book?

51:10Jessie Inchauspé:The first one is choline. So choline is found. Yeah, choline is really, it's amazing. Choline is a nutrient that's found in eggs, in liver, in meat and fish, and it builds your baby's brain. So by the time your baby's born, most of his neurons will be in place. Most of his brain cells that process information will be in place. Bond is made from liver. Yeah. Perfect. Healthy baby. I didn't know.

51:34Michael Bosstick:You know what's interesting? Holy. There's a lot of studies now coming out saying like a higher cholesterol actually could be good for longevity. And for the longest time, I mean, you're similar age to us. We went through the era of people saying like, too many eggs, don't eat your eggs. It's bad for you. And now you're starting to say like, you need that choline and you need that protein. And it's one of the, you know, higher cholesterol could be really good for you.

51:55Jessie Inchauspé:Absolutely. And look, there's studies also on pregnant women. So when you supplement pregnant moms with choline during pregnancy, and then you look at how their kids fare in the first year of life, these kids have faster reaction times to this very important test that is essentially a measure of adult intelligence. So when a mom has eaten enough choline during pregnancy, there's a measurable impact on her baby's brain development. years and months later. This is a very key one. Second key one, protein. When you're pregnant, you're building another person's body and you need a lot of protein for that.

52:28Jessie Inchauspé:Your needs go up. So you got to get at least 1.5 grams of protein per kilo of body weight per day in the second and third trimester. Very, very important. And studies show that if your baby doesn't have enough protein in the room, he will adapt. He will adapt to what he believes he will be born into, meaning a low protein world. So these babies in animal studies come out smaller with less muscle mass and this setting stays with them for life. That's the second one. Third one, omega-3s, DHA, super important. Build your baby's brain. And there's a study that shows that when you supplement moms with omega-3s and you measure their kids IQ at four years old, they have four points more IQ if they had enough omega-3 DHA in the womb.

53:10Jessie Inchauspé:And the last pillar is learning about sugar during pregnancy. The amount of sugar that you eat will be directly reflected into your baby's bloodstream. So your glucose levels become your baby's glucose levels. There's no filter in place. If you spike, your baby spikes. There's lots of things that you can do to lower those glucose spikes during pregnancy while still eating the cookie and the ice cream that we inevitably crave sometimes. So these are the four pillars. And this is what I did during my pregnancy. And these are the four things that are scientifically proven to have a beneficial long-term impact on your child.

53:43Michael Bosstick:So it's not a good idea to be pregnant and be like, well, this is the time I'm pregnant. Like, it's a free-for-all and just get all the things that I... I got to be careful as the man on the show asking this, but you get what I'm going on. Like, it could be... It potentially could have long-term effects if you're not...

53:55Jessie Inchauspé:There's a bunch of harmful myths around pregnancy. One is that you're just a... It's just a bun in the oven. You're just an oven. You're passive. It's just about heat and time. Like, it's just growing regardless of what you do. It's just growing, like, chill out, don't stress. That's a big myth. Second myth, your baby will get what he needs from you. It's not true. The studies prove this. You need to get the right stuff so your baby gets the right stuff. And the other myth is you should eat for two. Here, have more pancakes because you're building another body. This is actually a time where you have to be the most conscious about your diet.

54:21Jessie Inchauspé:But moms are being lied to or this information is just not coming to them. So yeah, it's not a good time to just say, okay, F it, I'll just eat, whatever. It's actually a time where you eat will have a long-term impact on your baby. And hopefully this book, Nine Months That Account Forever is going to help people navigate that with very clear pillars with not too much stress and easy tips.

54:42Michael Bosstick:If our social team pulls a clip of me telling women not to eat it and I'm going, don't pull that. I just framed it up to get the information as a good interviewer should.

54:52Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What is the biggest misconception about your content online? Where do you see the most pushback?

54:59Jessie Inchauspé:the biggest misconception about my content i think people who just come across maybe a post or even just my name they think i'm all about no sugar maybe they think i'm all about restriction and sugar is bad blah blah blah so they think i'm more extreme than i am another misconception is that i have diabetes but whatever that's just a personal misconception i don't think you're

55:23Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:extreme at all. When you get the context of what you're doing, it's actually thoughtful.

55:31Michael Bosstick:It's very much like data-based. Yes.

55:34Jessie Inchauspé:And it's also not about restriction or saying you can't eat good stuff anymore that you enjoy. It's just easy tips that help people live a slightly easier life.

55:42Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:What is your opinion on GLP-1s with everything you know about insulin and glucose?

55:47Jessie Inchauspé:It's very powerful. It does help a lot of people lose the weight that they have never been able to lose. I think my biggest thought about it is that it's kind of like if the water that came out of the tap was toxic and our solution to this was not to clean the water, but was to give people a drug that makes them less thirsty. That is literally what's going on with food. So it's a quote-unquote solution to the problem, but it's not solving anything.

56:21Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:So when all these people get off you're saying that the problem is not solved.

56:25Jessie Inchauspé:The food problem is not solved right then they're not magically transported into a land where the food is healthy and not killing you. The main issue is that if you're on a GLP-1 you have to make sure to eat enough protein as you guys probably know it's all about keeping that muscle mass otherwise you're just gonna lose your muscle and then when you stop the GLP-1 drug then you're gonna gain weight back and it's just fat that you're gaining back so you can be in a worse situation than you were in the first place. But I think people are aware of that now they know that protein is important when they're on a GLP-1.

56:54Jessie Inchauspé:It's remarkable. And it's incredible. It really works. It really cuts people's appetite. I've seen it firsthand. It's insane.

57:01Michael Bosstick:I know we've covered diabetes and inflammation. Does glucose have any effect on allergies or skin conditions or asthma or anything of that nature? Or is there no correlation?

57:12Jessie Inchauspé:In pregnancy, yes. So there's a correlation between the amount of blood sugar levels and inflammation in the womb and your kids risk for allergies, asthma, allergic asthma, and eczema as a toddler and as a child. So something about high inflammation in the womb seems to be making a child's immune system overactive and so potentially developing these conditions. In terms of in adults, I don't know. I'll have to look at the studies and tell you.

57:39Michael Bosstick:Okay, and then we're on the GLP-1, so we're actually switching gears a little bit. for weight management. Are people able to use these monitoring levels to kind of work towards managing their weight in a more effective way?

57:50Jessie Inchauspé:Yes, because here's the thing. When you steady your glucose levels, two main things happen. One, fewer cravings. So it's easier to not reach for a candy bar. Two, I told you earlier on that when we have a glucose spike, our body grabs the glucose and puts it into fat cells as a way to store the excess damaging glucose. And so when you have high glucose levels, your body is in fat storage mode. Your body cannot burn fat. So in order to start burning fat, you need to keep those glucose levels under control. So naturally, if you look at your glucose spikes and you start to manage them, it becomes much easier to lose fat on your body if that's your goal.

58:26Jessie Inchauspé:And it's usually a side effect of glucose management.

58:29Michael Bosstick:Just because you're aware of that you're in a fat storing mode?

58:31Jessie Inchauspé:Not really. It's just because your body naturally does it, right? So if you come to glucose management because you want more energy, fewer cravings, you want to manage diabetes, you want to manage your hormones, well then kind of often what happens is that as a consequence, you're also going to lose fat on your body. You're going to lose weight because your glucose levels are steadier. But it's not a diet. Like, you know, for me, Stelo and glucose hacks are not about dieting and losing weight really fast. They're about helping your body get back into a really healthy, balanced place. And then naturally you lose weight.

58:59Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:I have a business idea for you. I love this. I'm getting coaching. I would like a glucose monitor that is a swab in my mouth huh totally girl anything is possible leave it with me

59:13Jessie Inchauspé:leave it with me i'm telling you it doesn't hurt it once it's on there i don't care if it doesn't

59:18Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:hurt i'm just putting it out there let me see the monitor let me see no no yeah i need to look at it okay you see you see it yeah it just looks like a little like one day lauren one day they'll have

59:28Jessie Inchauspé:glucose monitors that are just a little laser that looks through your skin would you be into that they look through my skin so sorry they'll be like in a watch and they won't even touch your skin oh like a laser they'll be able to measure your glucose like a whoop or an oracle how's the emf on that and not so good probably can we just get like a little swab in our mouth no because your saliva doesn't have your blood sugar levels here's where like people like you know that drives

59:51Michael Bosstick:me when we get into like the em it's like listen if you you might have to take a little more emf but if you can manage your glucose and get rid of inflammation and combat diabetes and weight management like it's probably better can i just start eating my vegetables and my protein before

1:00:06Jessie Inchauspé:my yes well that'd be a good you know what i love is that both of you have like the perfect very marriage opposite ways yes of course but also very like a contrasted way of seeing glucose so lauren you're all about like i just want to introduce you to the vegetables i'm chill like just veggies tell me about the waffles and michael you're like yeah i want to measure it but both work

1:00:24Michael Bosstick:and both make sense yeah we're very ying and yang exactly and then we'll fight about it in the car on the way home. It'll be, yeah.

1:00:30Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:Big fight. Okay.

1:00:31Michael Bosstick:Whenever I see a couple and they're like, yeah, we agree and we just love each other. No, how boring. And we're all on the same page. I'm like, red flag, divorce in two years, calling it. You know what I mean?

1:00:39Lauryn Evarts Bosstick:New book, The Nine Months That Count Forever, How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your Baby's Future. You have a March 2026 release. Can everyone pre-order it? Absolutely. On Amazon? Yes. I am such a fan of what you do. You can come back next time you're here. I think you're a wealth of knowledge and that was really, really eye-opening for me especially knowing now that I need to put vegetables out for my children when they come home. Because he's asking me for mommy specials all the time.

1:01:08Michael Bosstick:He's always for the mommy waffles department has been a it's like open for business.

1:01:12Jessie Inchauspé:Well she said it's not that bad to ask. I want to see the test. I want to see the glucose spikes. Okay.

1:01:16Michael Bosstick:Thank you for doing this.

1:01:17Jessie Inchauspé:Thank you for having me you guys. Jesse where can everyone find you? Glucose Goddess on Instagram.

1:01:22Michael Bosstick:And the book coming out. So cool.

1:01:23Jessie Inchauspé:Nine months that count forever. Thank you. Thank you Jesse.